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    --- WWIVToss v.1.51
    * Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (46:1/263.0)
  • From Accession@46:1/100 to WEATHERMAN on Thursday, July 02, 2015 09:56:21
    [11CAffiliated with Ash Ock Empire and Ash Ock Underground![A

    Nope. Can't make anything out on that one.

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... Heisenberg may have slept here
    --- SBBSecho 2.27-Linux
    * Origin: thePharcyde_ telnet://bbs.pharcyde.org (Wisconsin) (46:1/100)
  • From WEATHERMAN@46:1/263 to Accession on Thursday, July 02, 2015 15:29:28


    Nope. Can't make anything out on that one.


    Oh well, was worth a shot. The message should be going out without any changes, so I'm not sure what could be happening.

    - Mark

    --- WWIVToss v.1.51
    * Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (46:1/263.0)
  • From nolageek@46:1/151 to WEATHERMAN on Thursday, July 02, 2015 21:22:21
    Re: How about this one?
    By: WEATHERMAN to All on Wed Jul 01 2015 09:43 pm

    [11CAffiliated with Ash Ock Empire and Ash Ock Underground![A

    Looked good to me (Synchronet BBS/Syncterm)

    |01-|03nolageek
    --- SBBSecho 2.27-Win32
    * Origin: Capitol Shrill BBS - Washington, DC (46:1/151)
  • From Avon@46:3/203 to WEATHERMAN on Friday, July 03, 2015 23:17:48
    On 07/01/15, WEATHERMAN pondered and said...

    DÆRKCarnifex Ad for Ash Ock
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    Nope it came out funny when I tried to look at it.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.10 (Windows)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | telnet://agency.bbs.geek.nz (46:3/203)
  • From WEATHERMAN@46:1/263 to Nolageek on Sunday, July 05, 2015 08:50:06


    Looked good to me (Synchronet BBS/Syncterm)


    Cool! You are the first one to see it properly.

    What type of BBS are you running? It must have something to do with the BBS and/or reader.

    - Mark

    --- WWIVToss v.1.51
    * Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (46:1/263.0)
  • From WEATHERMAN@46:1/263 to Nolageek on Sunday, July 05, 2015 08:53:03


    Looked good to me (Synchronet BBS/Syncterm)

    Please ignore my last reply asking what BBS you are using. Obviously, I have not had enough coffee yet this morning.

    So why can you see it properly with Synchronet/Syncterm and yet others using Synchonet don't see it properly?

    It seems that Mystic can't see it properly, either. I posted the same message in a networked WWIV area and other WWIV systems see it perfectly too.

    - Mark

    --- WWIVToss v.1.51
    * Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (46:1/263.0)
  • From WEATHERMAN@46:1/263 to Avon on Sunday, July 05, 2015 08:54:25


    Nope it came out funny when I tried to look at it.


    Was wondering what you were using to look at it? Maybe this had to do with the
    reader and not the actual BBS software.

    Even though I'm using WWIV over here, I'm reading and posting everything using mTelnet.

    - Mark

    --- WWIVToss v.1.51
    * Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (46:1/263.0)
  • From nolageek@46:1/151 to WEATHERMAN on Monday, July 06, 2015 00:20:01
    Re: Re: How about this one?
    By: WEATHERMAN to Nolageek on Sun Jul 05 2015 08:50 am

    Looked good to me (Synchronet BBS/Syncterm)
    Cool! You are the first one to see it properly.
    What type of BBS are you running? It must have something to do with the

    |01-|03nolageek
    --- SBBSecho 2.27-Win32
    * Origin: Capitol Shrill BBS - Washington, DC (46:1/151)
  • From nolageek@46:1/151 to WEATHERMAN on Monday, July 06, 2015 00:21:02
    Re: Re: How about this one?
    By: WEATHERMAN to Nolageek on Sun Jul 05 2015 08:50 am

    Looked good to me (Synchronet BBS/Syncterm)
    What type of BBS are you running? It must have something to do with the

    hehe It's in the message you quoted. :) Synchronet, was viewing using Syncterm. :)

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    --- SBBSecho 2.27-Win32
    * Origin: Capitol Shrill BBS - Washington, DC (46:1/151)
  • From WEATHERMAN@46:1/263 to Nolageek on Monday, July 06, 2015 20:59:10


    hehe It's in the message you quoted. :) Synchronet, was viewing using Syncterm. :)

    Was typing faster than I was reading, apparently. :)

    It is great that you were able to see it properly. I don't know why Nick is unable to see it, since you both run Synchronet. The only possible difference is the viewing software.

    - Mark

    --- WWIVToss v.1.51
    * Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (46:1/263.0)
  • From Avon@46:3/203 to WEATHERMAN on Tuesday, July 07, 2015 19:41:07
    On 07/05/15, WEATHERMAN pondered and said...

    Was wondering what you were using to look at it? Maybe this had to do with the reader and not the actual BBS software.

    Using Netrunner for Windows and viewing it via Mystic 1.10

    :-)

    Best, Paul

    --- Mystic BBS v1.10 (Windows)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | telnet://agency.bbs.geek.nz (46:3/203)
  • From Tiny@46:1/126 to WEATHERMAN on Wednesday, July 08, 2015 10:55:22
    DÆRKCarnifex Ad for Ash Ock 201293S1

    That one looked perfect on Ezycom.

    ... No good deed goes unpunished.
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    * Origin: Tiny's BBS - tinysbbs.com (46:1/126)
  • From WEATHERMAN@46:1/263 to Tiny on Thursday, July 09, 2015 08:03:47


    That one looked perfect on Ezycom.

    Good to hear!

    It seems the ANSI post viewing depends on a combination of BBS and how it is being viewed. I have a feeling that additional systems would see it properly formatted if the post had less than 75 characters per line in the formatting just to be safe.

    - Mark

    --- WWIVToss v.1.51
    * Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (46:1/263.0)
  • From wkitty42@46:1/132 to WEATHERMAN on Friday, July 10, 2015 17:30:19
    On 07/05/15, WEATHERMAN said the following...

    Looked good to me (Synchronet BBS/Syncterm)

    Please ignore my last reply asking what BBS you are using. Obviously, I have not had enough coffee yet this morning.

    So why can you see it properly with Synchronet/Syncterm and yet others using Synchonet don't see it properly?

    probably because he was dialed in and saw it in syncterm instead of raw on
    the bbs (local login) like most of us are likely to be doing ;)

    --- Mystic BBS v1.10 A57 (Windows)
    * Origin: (46:1/132)
  • From wkitty42@46:1/132 to Avon on Friday, July 10, 2015 17:34:22
    On 07/07/15, Avon said the following...

    On 07/05/15, WEATHERMAN pondered and said...

    Was wondering what you were using to look at it? Maybe this had to d with the reader and not the actual BBS software.

    Using Netrunner for Windows and viewing it via Mystic 1.10

    same here... when i saw it, i had to keep hitting enter to see the next bits
    of it but they were all jambed up into the top 8 or so lines of the message body below the message header set up on this system... i suspect there were more than 24 lines or so making the ANSI as well as no disable of page
    pausing is the same across all bbses...

    --- Mystic BBS v1.10 A57 (Windows)
    * Origin: (46:1/132)
  • From Avon@46:3/203 to wkitty42 on Saturday, July 11, 2015 15:11:48
    On 07/10/15, wkitty42 pondered and said...

    same here... when i saw it, i had to keep hitting enter to see the next bits of it but they were all jambed up into the top 8 or so lines of the message body below the message header set up on this system... i suspect

    Yep that's basically what I saw also.

    Best, Paul

    --- Mystic BBS v1.10 (Windows)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | telnet://agency.bbs.geek.nz (46:3/203)
  • From WEATHERMAN@46:1/263 to Wkitty42 on Saturday, July 11, 2015 08:17:00


    probably because he was dialed in and saw it in syncterm instead of raw on the bbs (local login) like most of us are likely to be doing ;)

    That makes sense and would be great if someone could prove that out. It has been so long since I have logged into my WWIV BBS locally, I can't remember if ANSI displays properly that way or not. I believe it does, but can't say 100%.

    I always telnet using mTelnet to my BBS - even when local at home.

    - Mark

    --- WWIVToss v.1.51
    * Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (46:1/263.0)
  • From WEATHERMAN@46:1/263 to Wkitty42 on Saturday, July 11, 2015 08:22:22


    same here... when i saw it, i had to keep hitting enter to see the next
    bits of it but they were all jambed up into the top 8 or so lines of the message body below the message header set up on this system... i suspect there were more than 24 lines or so making the ANSI as well as no disable
    of page pausing is the same across all bbses...

    Not sure how, but WWIV seems to disable the [Pause] on the messages when displaying an ANSI. That could be screwing things up, too, if it is getting hit with [Pauses] when being displayed.

    - Mark

    --- WWIVToss v.1.51
    * Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (46:1/263.0)
  • From Accession@46:1/100 to WEATHERMAN on Saturday, July 11, 2015 08:38:15
    probably because he was dialed in and saw it in syncterm instead of
    raw on the bbs (local login) like most of us are likely to be doing
    ;)

    That makes sense and would be great if someone could prove that out. It has been so long since I have logged into my WWIV BBS locally, I can't remember if ANSI displays properly that way or not. I believe it does, but can't say 100%.

    I'm not sure where this subject was going, but for the record.. I use Syncterm and telnet to my other machine. I don't even think I remember how to do a local login with Synchronet. :)

    I've also double checked my config settings, and nothing is exporting to ASCII here, so ANSI should display fine.

    So far we've seen an EleBBS and (one?) Synchronet system display your ANSI properly. If it's a setting I'm using here, or the reader I'm using (SlyEdit by Nightfox), if proven, I will definitely look into fixing it. Otherwise, more testing should probably be done. An ANSI post from a Mystic system might help, as if that shows here properly, then it was probably something with the original one posted.

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... The beatings will continue until the moral improves.
    --- SBBSecho 2.27-Linux
    * Origin: thePharcyde_ telnet://bbs.pharcyde.org (Wisconsin) (46:1/100)
  • From WEATHERMAN@46:1/263 to Accession on Sunday, July 12, 2015 10:02:45


    So far we've seen an EleBBS and (one?) Synchronet system display your ANSI properly. If it's a setting I'm using here, or the reader I'm using
    (SlyEdit by Nightfox), if proven, I will definitely look into fixing it. Otherwise, more testing should probably be done. An ANSI post from a
    Mystic system might help, as if that shows here properly, then it was probably something with the original one posted.

    That would be a good test if someone with Mystic could post one. Does Synchronet have any settings for message characters per line? The ANSI I had posted used just about all 79 characters per line which might throw off some with shorter line lengths.

    Would have to dig up an ANSI that isn't as wide.

    - Mark

    --- WWIVToss v.1.51
    * Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (46:1/263.0)
  • From Al@46:1/161.1 to WEATHERMAN on Monday, July 13, 2015 08:48:08
    On 07/12/15, WEATHERMAN said the following...

    That would be a good test if someone with Mystic could post one. Does Synchronet have any settings for message characters per line? The ANSI
    I had posted used just about all 79 characters per line which might
    throw off some with shorter line lengths.

    Would have to dig up an ANSI that isn't as wide.

    I read somewhere that ansi was disabled for some reason in Mystic 1.10 but I'm not sure. I look for something and try..

    --- Mystic BBS v1.10 (Linux)
    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (46:1/161.1)
  • From Al@46:1/161.1 to WEATHERMAN on Monday, July 13, 2015 08:52:42
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    --- Mystic BBS v1.10 (Linux)
    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (46:1/161.1)
  • From Al@46:1/161.1 to WEATHERMAN on Monday, July 13, 2015 08:58:00
    On 07/12/15, WEATHERMAN said the following...

    That would be a good test if someone with Mystic could post one.

    I uploaded that ansi into a message with the upload command from mystic's
    full screen editor. It looked as it should when I saved it but when I look at that message after posting there is no colour. Still looks like it should in B&W though.. :)

    --- Mystic BBS v1.10 (Linux)
    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (46:1/161.1)
  • From Al@46:1/161 to WEATHERMAN on Monday, July 13, 2015 09:58:40
    Hello WEATHERMAN,

    That would be a good test if someone with Mystic could post one.

    One more try.. this time with Golded.. next msg..

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

    ... Press any key to Continue, any other key to Quit.
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  • From Al@46:1/161 to WEATHERMAN on Monday, July 13, 2015 09:59:42

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  • From Psi-Jack@46:1/142 to Al on Monday, July 13, 2015 14:47:39
    Re: How about this one?
    By: Al to WEATHERMAN on Mon Jul 13 2015 09:58 am

    That would be a good test if someone with Mystic could post one.

    One more try.. this time with Golded.. next msg..

    OKay. I need to know what and where, precisely, is needed to get GoldEd+/LNX. I want to build distribution packages AND get it actually working. :)

    )))[Psi-Jack -//- Decker]

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  • From Accession@46:1/100 to Al on Monday, July 13, 2015 14:35:42
    [Re: ANSI]

    This one displayed fine over here. Do you by chance have one colored?

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.
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  • From Accession@46:1/100 to Al on Monday, July 13, 2015 14:38:37
    [Re: 2nd ANSI with color]

    This one displayed the "Trans Canada" text perfect as well as colored. But the ansi above it was garbled.

    We also have to take into consideration what program is being used to create these ansis. Pablodraw saves a little differently than TundraDraw, and both save a little bit differently than TheDraw and AcidDraw.

    There's a lot of factors here that have to be accounted for. So much for "standards" eh?

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Accession@46:1/701 to WEATHERMAN on Monday, July 13, 2015 14:29:06
    Hello WEATHERMAN,

    On 12 Jul 15 10:02, WEATHERMAN wrote to Accession:

    That would be a good test if someone with Mystic could post one. Does Synchronet have any settings for message characters per line? The
    ANSI I had posted used just about all 79 characters per line which
    might throw off some with shorter line lengths.

    As far as I know, Synchronet doesn't have any limits under the normal cp437 80-wide limit. I've seen messages where the text is using up the 80th column, so I wouldn't be led to believe there's any kind of limit.

    Would have to dig up an ANSI that isn't as wide.

    Maybe. I also couldn't see the editor I'm using as the problem, since it's just
    an FSE scrolling editor that utilizes the regular Synchronet message bases and text.. Most, if not all BBS ads in those areas seem to display just fine with what I use.

    Was there possibly any ICE colors (blinking) in the ansi(s) you posted? I'm fairly certain Synchronet doesn't handle those in messages, but I could be wrong.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Al@46:1/161.1 to Psi-Jack on Monday, July 13, 2015 13:42:00
    On 07/13/15, Psi-Jack said the following...

    OKay. I need to know what and where, precisely, is needed to get GoldEd+/LNX. I want to build distribution packages AND get it actually working. :)

    I got the vesion I am using from cvs somewhere, the golded-plus sourceforge site probably. I have a source tarball of it if you like I can netmail or
    email to you.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.10 (Linux)
    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (46:1/161.1)
  • From Al@46:1/161.1 to Accession on Monday, July 13, 2015 13:47:04
    On 07/13/15, Accession said the following...

    This one displayed fine over here. Do you by chance have one colored?

    It was in color when I loaded it in Mystic's editor and it looked good. I
    don't know why it saved without color. Dream Master said something about ansi being disabled in mystic 1.10 but I don't if that is so but it looks like it.

    Maybe when mystic saves with color it turns out like that one I saved golded
    so it was disabled. We'd have to ask him though, I could only guess.. :)

    --- Mystic BBS v1.10 (Linux)
    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (46:1/161.1)
  • From Al@46:1/161.1 to Accession on Monday, July 13, 2015 14:02:20
    On 07/13/15, Accession said the following...

    This one displayed the "Trans Canada" text perfect as well as colored.
    But the ansi above it was garbled.

    Didn't work as I was hoping.. ;)

    We also have to take into consideration what program is being used to create these ansis. Pablodraw saves a little differently than
    TundraDraw, and both save a little bit differently than TheDraw and AcidDraw.

    That ansi is a total rip of an ansi from TCN_PACK.ZIP. The only change I made to it was to overwrite the last line with "The Rusty MailBox". I just used
    the existing colors. I can't draw! I'm not sure who made the original or what program they used. I think the draw was the main suspect in those days.. it's from '95 or so.

    There's a lot of factors here that have to be accounted for. So much for "standards" eh?

    There are. Mystic has a nice "ansi art gallery" that I have been thinking I should see if I can fill it up with ansi's (if I had them).

    If we could get a standard together with Mystic, Synchronet and other interseted folks, maybe we could get something going.. Never know till you try..

    --- Mystic BBS v1.10 (Linux)
    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (46:1/161.1)
  • From Psi-Jack@46:1/142 to Al on Monday, July 13, 2015 19:10:37
    Re: Re: How about this one?
    By: Al to Psi-Jack on Mon Jul 13 2015 01:42 pm

    OKay. I need to know what and where, precisely, is needed to get
    GoldEd+/LNX. I want to build distribution packages AND get it
    actually working. :)

    I got the vesion I am using from cvs somewhere, the golded-plus sourceforge site probably. I have a source tarball of it if you like I can netmail or email to you.

    Heh.. I got it. Finally. Luckily it even came with it's own .spec file for building an RPM, however like the binkd and husky-tools .spec files, needed a bit of fixing. Lotta people don't know how to properly make sane .spec files. ;)

    All I have left is... I see in the notes, it /supports/ Synchronet's SMB message bases, but all I get is "Wait: /sbbs/.../blah is locked" and open retry count just continues to grow. Only way out is to exit out of it.

    Accession... Any comments on this ^^ ? Maybe you've gotten it to work? :)
    Looks like the same build number Al is using, 1.1.5 20130910C, according to the .spec reldate.

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  • From NuSkooler@46:1/140 to Al on Tuesday, July 14, 2015 01:23:04
    $ Al was quoted saying . . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    If we could get a standard together with Mystic, Synchronet and other interseted folks, maybe we could get something going.. Never know till you try..
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I've been reading all these message attempts at displaying ANSI in message bases, and so far, I haven't seen one come through properly on any of the boards I freq., which covers at least Enthral, Mystic, Syncronet, and some others.

    Since I'm working on my own soft I'm definitely interested in the prospect of getting some sort of standard put together. In the end of it all, I think a proper ANSI viewer is going to be required for anything too fancy. Some
    message edit/viewers use less than 80 columns, ANSI's have codes for moving
    the cursor up/down/etc,. and then you have things like blink vs iCE,
    animation, etc.

    I can't remember I posted something like this before, but has anyone
    considered ANSI -> pipe codes? Another option, or in addition to pipe codes, could be a kluge line specifying to display the art in it's fully glory.

    Just some thoughts.

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  • From Accession@46:1/701 to Psi-Jack on Tuesday, July 14, 2015 07:21:56
    Hello Psi-Jack,

    On 13 Jul 15 19:10, Psi-Jack wrote to Al:

    All I have left is... I see in the notes, it /supports/ Synchronet's
    SMB message bases, but all I get is "Wait: /sbbs/.../blah is locked"
    and open retry count just continues to grow. Only way out is to exit
    out of it.

    Accession... Any comments on this ^^ ? Maybe you've gotten it to work?
    :) Looks like the same build number Al is using, 1.1.5 20130910C, according to the .spec reldate.

    I believe all you have to do is point the AREAFILE(?) keyword to sbbs/crtl/msgs.cnf and it should work. Remember, though.. Golded+ will not understand if you pack/renumber your message bases in Synchronet, which will cause Golded+ to show the wrong number of total and new messages in an area that was packed/renumbered. If you plan on using it, you will have to disable that and let your message bases keep collecting messages. If you ever want to pack/renumber, you can do it manually, and then reset Golded+ to follow suit.

    I believe this is why I stopped using it directly on my Synchronet message bases. I wanted to continue to pack/renumber (5000 max, and 2 years retention for age) so I moved Golded+ to it's own JAM message bases using binkd and husky
    tools. That way when there's too many messages for me, I just delete the message base data files and let Golded+ recreate them starting fresh every 6 months or so.

    Regards,
    Nick

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    * Origin: thePharcyde_ telnet://bbs.pharcyde.org (Wisconsin) (46:1/701)
  • From Accession@46:1/701 to NuSkooler on Tuesday, July 14, 2015 07:28:56
    Hello NuSkooler,

    On 14 Jul 15 01:23, NuSkooler wrote to Al:

    I can't remember I posted something like this before, but has anyone considered ANSI -> pipe codes? Another option, or in addition to pipe codes, could be a kluge line specifying to display the art in it's
    fully glory.

    I would think that a proper kludge line that already exists would fall under the charset kludge, "CHRS: CP437". *Most* software of old doesn't utilize the CHRS kludge properly anyways, and just as well *most* software of old isn't even supported anymore.

    So basically us just getting it to work in the currently developed softwares (probably while trying to maintain reverse compatibility as much as possible) we should try to stick with what's already out there, since ANSI is just as old
    as most softwares covered in this discussion. :)

    I know for a fact I've seen ANSI display properly in both Synchronet and Mystic, so I have a feeling it's more of a posting issue where the ANSI codes might be (accidentally?) translated to some kind of CTRL key combination that is messing up the display on these software. I know Synchronet uses CTRL key combinations for cursor movement and other things.. so I wonder if there's a CTRL key combination to ignore CTRL key combinations in such a post.

    [time passes]

    http://wiki.synchro.net/custom:ctrl-a_codes

    I didn't see anything for ignoring any other CTRL key combinations. But if you notice, it looks like ^A255 would move the cursor to the right 255 characters. If something is accidentally translating ansi codes to CTRL-A codes, I could definitely see an issue there, but I would be inclined to believe that Rob has dealt with that and knows the difference..

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Mercyful Fate@46:1/140 to NuSkooler on Tuesday, July 14, 2015 12:01:12
    $ NuSkooler was quoted saying . . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    I've been reading all these message attempts at displaying ANSI in message bases, and so far, I haven't seen one come through properly on any of the boards I freq., which covers at least Enthral, Mystic, Syncronet, and some others.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I have to say at least Enthral wise, that i strip out the ESC and replace it with a ^ character.

    I remember some issues with the reader freezing up, most likley due to
    properly couting line and character lengths with ESC sequences that i never
    got back to. I'll probably revisit it once i get more time as i do enjoy seeing ANSI in the message areas. It just slipped my mind heh.

    |07M|11er|03cy|07ful Fate |08(|15hTc|08)|07

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  • From Psi-Jack@46:1/142 to Accession on Tuesday, July 14, 2015 21:07:58
    Re: Re: How about this one?
    By: Accession to Psi-Jack on Tue Jul 14 2015 07:21 am

    Accession... Any comments on this ^^ ? Maybe you've gotten it to
    work? :) Looks like the same build number Al is using, 1.1.5
    20130910C, according to the .spec reldate.

    I believe all you have to do is point the AREAFILE(?) keyword to sbbs/crtl/msgs.cnf and it should work. Remember, though.. Golded+ will not understand if you pack/renumber your message bases in Synchronet, which will cause Golded+ to show the wrong number of total and new messages in an area that was packed/renumbered. If you plan on using it, you will have to disable that and let your message bases keep collecting messages. If you ever want to pack/renumber, you can do it manually, and then reset Golded+ to follow suit.

    I believe this is why I stopped using it directly on my Synchronet message bases. I wanted to continue to pack/renumber (5000 max, and 2 years retention for age) so I moved Golded+ to it's own JAM message bases using binkd and husky tools. That way when there's too many messages for me, I just delete the message base data files and let Golded+ recreate them starting fresh every 6 months or so.

    Hmmm, interesting. I set mine up to use:
    AREAFILE Synchronet /sbbs/ctrl/msgs.cnf, and I just get that the message bases are locked, no messages, can't open, only quit GoldEd+, no excuses, just die.. ;)

    Hmm, and yes.. I do pack my message bases... I think... Nightly at least. And that I had also switched my bases to Hyper Allocation rather than the default Fast Allocation, (IIRC).. THough I am considering switching to Self-Packing. It's freaky fast enough to handle it.

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  • From Psi-Jack@46:1/142 to Accession on Tuesday, July 14, 2015 21:13:32
    Re: Re: How about this one?
    By: Psi-Jack to Accession on Tue Jul 14 2015 09:07 pm

    I believe this is why I stopped using it directly on my Synchronet
    message bases. I wanted to continue to pack/renumber (5000 max, and
    2 years retention for age) so I moved Golded+ to it's own JAM
    message bases using binkd and husky tools. That way when there's too
    many messages for me, I just delete the message base data files and
    let Golded+ recreate them starting fresh every 6 months or so.

    Interesting approach. Heh
    hpt, does it support Synchronet's SMB?

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  • From Accession@46:1/701 to Psi-Jack on Tuesday, July 14, 2015 21:00:56
    Hello Psi-Jack,

    On 14 Jul 15 21:13, Psi-Jack wrote to Accession:

    Re: Re: How about this one?
    By: Psi-Jack to Accession on Tue Jul 14 2015 09:07 pm

    I believe this is why I stopped using it directly on my
    Synchronet message bases. I wanted to continue to pack/renumber
    (5000 max, and 2 years retention for age) so I moved Golded+ to
    it's own JAM message bases using binkd and husky tools. That way
    when there's too many messages for me, I just delete the message
    base data files and let Golded+ recreate them starting fresh
    every 6 months or so.

    Interesting approach. Heh
    hpt, does it support Synchronet's SMB?

    HPT does not. That's why I'm using it on a separate node without Synchronet. I believe it currently supports JAM, Squish, and MSG message bases.

    My Synchronet hub sends mail over to my binkd/hpt(jam)/golded+ node, which is this one I'm currently posting from. This message will be sent back to the hub before it goes out to the rest.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Psi-Jack@46:1/142 to Accession on Wednesday, July 15, 2015 00:26:38
    Re: Re: How about this one?
    By: Accession to Psi-Jack on Tue Jul 14 2015 09:00 pm

    I believe this is why I stopped using it directly on my
    Synchronet message bases. I wanted to continue to pack/renumber
    (5000 max, and 2 years retention for age) so I moved Golded+ to
    it's own JAM message bases using binkd and husky tools. That way
    when there's too many messages for me, I just delete the message
    base data files and let Golded+ recreate them starting fresh
    every 6 months or so.

    Interesting approach. Heh
    hpt, does it support Synchronet's SMB?

    HPT does not. That's why I'm using it on a separate node without Synchronet. I believe it currently supports JAM, Squish, and MSG message bases.

    My Synchronet hub sends mail over to my binkd/hpt(jam)/golded+ node, which is this one I'm currently posting from. This message will be sent back to the hub before it goes out to the rest.

    Hmm, I see.. Effectively you're doing your own point node setup sorta kinda then, eh?

    Hmmm.. Makes a form of sense I suppose. Though it does look like Synchronet's TODO has things to do with husky-tools's smapi, but who knows exactly what that is, and when it'll be. ;)

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  • From Al@46:1/161 to Psi-Jack on Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:55:34
    Hello Psi-Jack,

    Heh.. I got it. Finally. Luckily it even came with it's own .spec file for building an RPM, however like the binkd and husky-tools .spec files, needed a bit of fixing. Lotta people don't know how to properly make sane .spec files. ;)

    Spec file? What spec file!? :)

    All I have left is... I see in the notes, it /supports/ Synchronet's
    SMB message bases, but all I get is "Wait: /sbbs/.../blah is locked"
    and open retry count just continues to grow. Only way out is to exit
    out of it.

    That I'm not sure of. I think Synchronet support is a recent addition to golded
    and may need more work but I do see folks using it in fido quite a bit so it must work to some degree at least.

    I wonder if it also works in qwk areas. If you get it working please let me know.. I'm just curious.. I see a new release (of synchronet) in the works so when time permits I'm going to have to take a look..

    Seems to be a new version of golded out now. The changelog I read said only something about updates for clang compatability. That won't affect me but it's nice to be upto date. New versions on sf.net for dos windows and os/2, along with the source.. :)

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Psi-Jack@46:1/142 to Al on Wednesday, July 15, 2015 15:25:52
    Re: How about this one?
    By: Al to Psi-Jack on Wed Jul 15 2015 10:55 am

    Heh.. I got it. Finally. Luckily it even came with it's own .spec
    file for building an RPM, however like the binkd and husky-tools
    .spec files, needed a bit of fixing. Lotta people don't know how to
    properly make sane .spec files. ;)

    Spec file? What spec file!? :)

    In RPM-based distros, such as CentOS, Fedora, openSUSE, a <packagename>.spec file is a definition file that is specially formatted with everything it needs, plus external references for source files and patches.

    With them you can rpmbuild -ba <package>.spec, and it will go through the entire compile process to build it into rpm package(s) it's designed to build for.

    All I have left is... I see in the notes, it /supports/ Synchronet's
    SMB message bases, but all I get is "Wait: /sbbs/.../blah is locked"
    and open retry count just continues to grow. Only way out is to exit
    out of it.

    That I'm not sure of. I think Synchronet support is a recent addition to golded and may need more work but I do see folks using it in fido quite a bit so it must work to some degree at least.

    Yeah, it is fairly new, bit the changelog claims to work with it based on the notes. :)

    Seems to be a new version of golded out now. The changelog I read said only something about updates for clang compatability. That won't affect me but it's nice to be upto date. New versions on sf.net for dos windows and os/2, along with the source.. :)

    Heh, Yeah, my build is directly from CVS checkouts, one I plan to maintain, so long as golded+ continues development, but still a bit curious about the date. Maybe code's been changing, but changelog notes are not, and the .spec file provided in golded's source may not have changed. Dunno. ;)

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  • From Al@46:1/161.1 to NuSkooler on Wednesday, July 15, 2015 12:41:02
    On 07/14/15, NuSkooler said the following...

    Since I'm working on my own soft I'm definitely interested in the
    prospect of getting some sort of standard put together.

    Good to hear.. :)

    In the end of it
    all, I think a proper ANSI viewer is going to be required for anything
    too fancy. Some message edit/viewers use less than 80 columns, ANSI's
    have codes for moving the cursor up/down/etc,. and then you have things like blink vs iCE, animation, etc.

    It's not exactly simple, is it.. :)

    I can't remember I posted something like this before, but has anyone considered ANSI -> pipe codes? Another option, or in addition to pipe codes, could be a kluge line specifying to display the art in it's fully glory.

    I converted that ansi to pipe codes, i'll post it next.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

    --- Mystic BBS v1.10 (Linux)
    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (46:1/161.1)
  • From Al@46:1/161 to NuSkooler on Wednesday, July 15, 2015 12:46:02
    One more try with golded+. I think it'll mangle to formatting..

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    Ttyl :-),
    Al

    ... Baroque: When you are out of Monet.
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    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (46:1/161)
  • From Accession@46:1/701 to Psi-Jack on Wednesday, July 15, 2015 17:05:32
    Hello Psi-Jack,

    On 15 Jul 15 00:26, Psi-Jack wrote to Accession:

    My Synchronet hub sends mail over to my binkd/hpt(jam)/golded+
    node, which is this one I'm currently posting from. This message
    will be sent back to the hub before it goes out to the rest.

    Hmm, I see.. Effectively you're doing your own point node setup sorta kinda then, eh?

    Kinda sorta. The node is fully reachable, which is why it's not a point.. and the fact that I don't like using more numbers than I have to. :)

    Hmmm.. Makes a form of sense I suppose. Though it does look like Synchronet's TODO has things to do with husky-tools's smapi, but who
    knows exactly what that is, and when it'll be. ;)

    I only did it to not mess with my Synchronet message bases, or have to change them to NOT purge/pack the message bases so that Golded would work with it. It would be more of a pain to work with manually than the Golded node currently is. When I'm fed up with how many messages my Golded node has, I simply "rm *" in the message base directory, and then open Golded and scroll through each message base, which recreates all the data files needed. Done deal.

    Regards,
    Nick

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    * Origin: thePharcyde_ telnet://bbs.pharcyde.org (Wisconsin) (46:1/701)
  • From Accession@46:1/701 to Al on Wednesday, July 15, 2015 17:09:04
    Hello Al,

    On 15 Jul 15 10:55, Al wrote to Psi-Jack:

    That I'm not sure of. I think Synchronet support is a recent addition
    to golded and may need more work but I do see folks using it in fido
    quite a bit so it must work to some degree at least.

    Synchronet support in Golded is actually quite old. It was just never documented that I know of.

    Regards,
    Nick

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    * Origin: thePharcyde_ telnet://bbs.pharcyde.org (Wisconsin) (46:1/701)
  • From Accession@46:1/701 to Al on Wednesday, July 15, 2015 17:15:56
    Hello Al,

    On 15 Jul 15 10:55, Al wrote to Psi-Jack:

    Seems to be a new version of golded out now. The changelog I read said only something about updates for clang compatability. That won't
    affect me but it's nice to be upto date. New versions on sf.net for
    dos windows and os/2, along with the source.. :)

    Thanks for the heads up. I'm now updated. What's nice when you already have the
    sources pulled down, is to just go into the main golded directory and type "cvs
    up" and then make. No going anywhere to grab anything after the first initial pull. :)

    Regards,
    Nick

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    * Origin: thePharcyde_ telnet://bbs.pharcyde.org (Wisconsin) (46:1/701)
  • From Accession@46:1/701 to Psi-Jack on Wednesday, July 15, 2015 17:18:28
    Hello Psi-Jack,

    On 15 Jul 15 15:25, Psi-Jack wrote to Al:

    Heh, Yeah, my build is directly from CVS checkouts, one I plan to maintain, so long as golded+ continues development, but still a bit curious about the date. Maybe code's been changing, but changelog
    notes are not, and the .spec file provided in golded's source may not
    have changed. Dunno. ;)

    Welp, it looks like the latest version was bumped today, as you can see in my tearline below. The last version I was using was from 2013, but they were updating while not increasing the version number for awhile.

    Updates are few and far between these days, but they do happen if there's a need for it. I believe one or two others are trying to gain access to be able to submit updates as well, so hopefully development continues as it has been. If not, the source is right there to do what you want with. :)

    Regards,
    Nick

    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20150715
    * Origin: thePharcyde_ telnet://bbs.pharcyde.org (Wisconsin) (46:1/701)
  • From NuSkooler@46:1/100 to Al on Wednesday, July 15, 2015 22:57:07
    One more try with golded+. I think it'll mangle to formatting..

    Welp... this time on Syncronet: Both very garbled, no real color. The second one seems to show more replacements.

    Problem is I can't see what's really being transfered here. What did you use to convert ANSI to pipe?
    --- SBBSecho 2.27-Linux
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  • From NuSkooler@46:1/140 to Al on Wednesday, July 15, 2015 22:38:30
    $ Al was quoted saying . . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    One more try with golded+. I think it'll mangle to formatting..
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    The first one didn't work for me (viewing via Enthral atm), but this one did a bit better. The color came through at least, and the bottom logo/text looked good.

    I think with any of them ANSI's that are 80 columns are going to have issue.

    I'll try and view it from a couple other softs in a minute and see how that works out.

    --- Enthral BBS v.635 (PI/2 Linux armv7l)
    * Origin: haunting The chapel >>--> htc.zapto.org <--<< (46:1/140)
  • From NuSkooler@46:1/104 to Al on Wednesday, July 15, 2015 23:52:00
    One more try with golded+. I think it'll mangle to formatting..

    OK, this time from Mystic:
    * First one: No color, garbled image
    * Second one: Color, but very garbled (much more than via Enthral)

    ...more to come :D

    --- Mystic BBS v1.10 A42 (Windows)
    * Origin: BLACK FLAG : The worlds most dangerous BBS (46:1/104)
  • From Al@46:1/161.1 to Accession on Wednesday, July 15, 2015 21:26:24
    On 07/15/15, Accession said the following...

    That I'm not sure of. I think Synchronet support is a recent addition to golded and may need more work but I do see folks using it in fido quite a bit so it must work to some degree at least.

    Synchronet support in Golded is actually quite old. It was just never documented that I know of.

    Ah, could be it was there for a while but nobody knew it.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

    --- Mystic BBS v1.10 (Linux)
    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (46:1/161.1)
  • From Al@46:1/161.1 to NuSkooler on Wednesday, July 15, 2015 21:38:20
    On 07/15/15, NuSkooler said the following...

    One more try with golded+. I think it'll mangle to formatting..

    Welp... this time on Syncronet: Both very garbled, no real color.

    The first one I posted with Mystic's full screen editor. Same as the ansi,
    when I was looking at it in the editor it looked just as one would expect but after I saved and went to have a look at it there was no color. I don't know for sure why that is happening.

    The second one seems to show more replacements.

    I suspected that one would get mangled by the look of it in golded. When I
    view it in mystic I do see some color but it is mangled.

    Problem is I can't see what's really being transfered here. What did you use to convert ANSI to pipe?

    I used a progam called ITPDraw, saved as a BBS file then chose pipe codes. My current ISP is a port blocker so I can't make those available (I'm going to
    fix that soon) but if you (or anyone else) want to have a look at the
    originals I can netmail or email them to you. Just let me know where to send them.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

    --- Mystic BBS v1.10 (Linux)
    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (46:1/161.1)
  • From Al@46:1/161.1 to NuSkooler on Wednesday, July 15, 2015 21:42:50
    On 07/15/15, NuSkooler said the following...

    The first one didn't work for me (viewing via Enthral atm), but this one did a bit better. The color came through at least, and the bottom logo/text looked good.

    I think with any of them ANSI's that are 80 columns are going to have issue.

    That is an old ansi and it likely is 80 columns. I might be able to take 1 column off the right side and one off the left and not lose the original
    look. Will have to try.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

    --- Mystic BBS v1.10 (Linux)
    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (46:1/161.1)
  • From Al@46:1/161.1 to NuSkooler on Wednesday, July 15, 2015 21:46:46
    On 07/15/15, NuSkooler said the following...

    One more try with golded+. I think it'll mangle to formatting..

    OK, this time from Mystic:
    * First one: No color, garbled image

    Hmm.. When I view that message here it is clear and not garbled, but there is no color.

    * Second one: Color, but very garbled (much more than via Enthral)

    That's what I was afraid of. Most readers will not take into account the pipe codes and loose the formatting. It just looks sick in golded, mystic is
    better but the formatting is gone.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

    --- Mystic BBS v1.10 (Linux)
    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (46:1/161.1)
  • From Psi-Jack@46:1/142 to Accession on Thursday, July 16, 2015 01:57:24
    Re: Re: How about this one?
    By: Accession to Psi-Jack on Wed Jul 15 2015 05:18 pm

    Heh, Yeah, my build is directly from CVS checkouts, one I plan to
    maintain, so long as golded+ continues development, but still a bit
    curious about the date. Maybe code's been changing, but changelog
    notes are not, and the .spec file provided in golded's source may
    not have changed. Dunno. ;)

    Welp, it looks like the latest version was bumped today, as you can see in my tearline below. The last version I was using was from 2013, but they were updating while not increasing the version number for awhile.

    Updates are few and far between these days, but they do happen if there's a need for it. I believe one or two others are trying to gain access to be able to submit updates as well, so hopefully development continues as it has been. If not, the source is right there to do what you want with. :)

    Heh, funny thing, I noticed that, when it was updated 15 hours ago, per cvs web. However, I tried to find anything other than the golded.spec and srcversion.h that was changed, and I am reminded why I hate CVS so fucking much. LOL

    )))[Psi-Jack -//- Decker]

    ... We have phasers; I vote we blast 'em!
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    * Origin: Decker's Heaven -//- bbs.deckersheaven.com (46:1/142)
  • From wkitty42@46:1/132 to Psi-Jack on Thursday, July 16, 2015 10:48:44
    On 07/15/15, Psi-Jack said the following...

    That I'm not sure of. I think Synchronet support is a recent addition golded and may need more work but I do see folks using it in fido qui bit so it must work to some degree at least.

    Yeah, it is fairly new, bit the changelog claims to work with it based
    on the notes. :)

    i don't think i wrote this in response to one of your other posts but it is possible that GED support for sync is only for the default standard message base format... that may be why it is telling the one person trying it that
    the base is locked... i don't recall who that was but i do recall you, i
    think, talking about using one of the other message base formats and thinking about switching to the autopurging one... a read of the GED sources should be able to tell you which sync format is expected...

    --- Mystic BBS v1.10 A57 (Windows)
    * Origin: (46:1/132)
  • From Skuz@46:1/102 to Al on Wednesday, July 15, 2015 19:37:18
    On 07/15/15, Al said the following...

    One more try with golded+. I think it'll mangle to formatting..
    ==== Begin "logo.asc" ====
    |16|07 |04▄██████████████|15▄█████ ▀▄ ▀ ██▀ ▌██ ▀▄|07

    This one has RED and White color, but it was all chopped up.. so the line
    wrap caused it to turn into foobar.

    |15S|07kuz|17|11 dA |16|02FlupHy|16|15 S|07quirrel ate my nuts|15.|07..|08.. |08 ▄▄▓▒▀▐▄▌ ▐▄▄ ▄▓▐▓▄▄ ▄▌ ░▄ ▌ |15@ |18|00 http://fluph.bbsnexus.com |16 |08▐▓▄▄▄ ▐▓ ▄▐▓▌ ▐▓▌▐▌▐▓▌░▄▄▓▌ ▄▄
    |08▐▓▌ ▀▀▓▄▓▌▀█▄▓▌▐▓▌▀▀ ▐▓▌▐▓▌▓▌|0709|15!@|17|11 b7 |16|08 member board

    --- Mystic BBS v1.10 (Windows)
    * Origin: fluph.darktech.org (46:1/102)
  • From wkitty42@46:1/132 to Accession on Thursday, July 16, 2015 11:03:23
    On 07/15/15, Accession said the following...

    When I'm fed up with how many messages my Golded node has, I
    simply "rm *" in the message base directory, and then open
    Golded and scroll through each message base, which recreates
    all the data files needed. Done deal.

    you use hpt so why not have it purge old messages automatically just like on
    a real bbs or point??

    0 0 * * * /foo/bar/ftn/bin/sqpack "*"

    the above being a cron job on my system to purge at midnight...

    you could also save a step in your above method if you keep it and don't recreate the areas via golded... hpt should create them automatically as the mail comes in...

    but either way, the above cron job works great over here and takes maybe a minute to run on a full backbone load covering 3 years...

    --- Mystic BBS v1.10 A57 (Windows)
    * Origin: (46:1/132)
  • From wkitty42@46:1/132 to Al on Thursday, July 16, 2015 11:11:04
    On 07/15/15, Al said the following...

    That is an old ansi and it likely is 80 columns. I might be able to take
    1 column off the right side and one off the left and not lose the
    original look. Will have to try.

    load it in THEDRAW and block save it with like 75 characters per line... you won't loose anything... don't clear the screen, though... if you do, it steps all over the header of the message reader on the bbs... i say 75 characters because it seems that many bbses wrap longer lines and 75 is just there where maybe it won't wrap at all...

    --- Mystic BBS v1.10 A57 (Windows)
    * Origin: (46:1/132)
  • From Caphood@46:1/204 to wkitty42 on Thursday, July 16, 2015 16:54:08
    load it in THEDRAW and block save it with like 75 characters per line... won't loose anything... don't clear the screen, though... if you do, it
    all over the header of the message reader on the bbs... i say 75 charact because it seems that many bbses wrap longer lines and 75 is just there maybe it won't wrap at all...

    The save as 75 characters is good. I use ACiDDraw with this method
    for ansi messages in PCBoard and they come out great

    |10|11|07 (|15Captain|07 |15Hood|07 |10+O|07) |11|10|07
    |03{|11tHE|10.|11pIRATE|10.|14kING|03}|07

    --- DayDream BBS/UNIX : ACiD Kickass Edition (Linux) 2.15a
    * Origin: Black Flag - ACiD Telnet HQ - blackflag.acid.org:2627 (46:1/204)
  • From WEATHERMAN@46:1/263 to Al on Thursday, July 16, 2015 16:49:13


    That ANSI came through to my system (WWIV) reading using mTelnet, perfectly. Then again, I have never not had one display perfectly on this side.

    - Mark

    --- WWIVToss v.1.51
    * Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (46:1/263.0)
  • From WEATHERMAN@46:1/263 to Al on Thursday, July 16, 2015 16:50:35


    I uploaded that ansi into a message with the upload command from mystic's full screen editor. It looked as it should when I saved it but when I look at that message after posting there is no colour. Still looks like it
    should in B&W though.. :)

    That is basically the same process I did when posting my ANSI using WWIV over here. I see it just like you, looks fine but has no color.

    - Mark

    --- WWIVToss v.1.51
    * Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (46:1/263.0)
  • From WEATHERMAN@46:1/263 to Al on Thursday, July 16, 2015 16:52:38


    The second one has color, ANSI is there, but the columns seem to be off a bit. Not much, but every few lines are extending to the next line which is causing the picture to not display the way it should.

    No strange characters or anything, just a formatting issue.

    - Mark

    --- WWIVToss v.1.51
    * Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (46:1/263.0)
  • From WEATHERMAN@46:1/263 to Accession on Thursday, July 16, 2015 16:58:26


    Maybe. I also couldn't see the editor I'm using as the problem, since it's just an FSE scrolling editor that utilizes the regular Synchronet message bases and text.. Most, if not all BBS ads in those areas seem to display just fine with what I use.

    I'm wondering what the difference is between your Synchronet setup and the other Synchronet system that reported seeing the ANSI with no issue.

    I wasn't aware of the differences in the formatting using the various drawing programs. I have no idea how those were originally made, but I personally only
    remember using TheDraw.

    Was there possibly any ICE colors (blinking) in the ansi(s) you posted?
    I'm fairly certain Synchronet doesn't handle those in messages, but I
    could be wrong.

    No blinking ANSI colors in that one.

    - Mark

    --- WWIVToss v.1.51
    * Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (46:1/263.0)
  • From WEATHERMAN@46:1/263 to Al on Thursday, July 16, 2015 17:01:03


    If we could get a standard together with Mystic, Synchronet and other interseted folks, maybe we could get something going.. Never know till you try..

    Yes, I would really like that. Still trying to figure out what magic is needed
    to make it work properly for everyone.

    - Mark

    --- WWIVToss v.1.51
    * Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (46:1/263.0)
  • From WEATHERMAN@46:1/263 to Nuskooler on Thursday, July 16, 2015 17:04:27


    I've been reading all these message attempts at displaying ANSI in message bases, and so far, I haven't seen one come through properly on any of the boards I freq., which covers at least Enthral, Mystic, Syncronet, and some others.

    Other than formatting issues, all have shown up over here properly (WWIV BBS). No garbage characters or anything like that, just a few with lines going too far into the next line at times - type of stuff.

    - Mark

    --- WWIVToss v.1.51
    * Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (46:1/263.0)
  • From WEATHERMAN@46:1/263 to Accession on Thursday, July 16, 2015 17:12:43


    I know for a fact I've seen ANSI display properly in both Synchronet and Mystic, so I have a feeling it's more of a posting issue where the ANSI codes might be (accidentally?) translated to some kind of CTRL key combination that is messing up the display on these software. I know Synchronet uses CTRL key combinations for cursor movement and other
    things.. so I wonder if there's a CTRL key combination to ignore CTRL key combinations in such a post.

    Maybe we should try loading an ANSI into each of the various ANSI editors (TheDraw, ACidDraw, etc..etc), re-save them again and see if there are any differences once re-posted.

    Maybe one will format things that won't conflict with any BBS's internal message display formatting codes.

    WWIV displays everything fine so far. The only control codes I know of in it's
    editor are Control-P and then 0-9 (for different colors in text). There are also a few macros that can used for signatures, but they are for posting - not reading.

    Everything is displayed here fine, minus the few formatting issues where lines might be missing a hard <CR> or something.

    - Mark

    --- WWIVToss v.1.51
    * Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (46:1/263.0)
  • From WEATHERMAN@46:1/263 to Al on Thursday, July 16, 2015 17:15:50


    You are correct, GoldEd mangled the formatting.

    The ANSI looks fine, color is all there, just some formatting issues.

    - Mark

    --- WWIVToss v.1.51
    * Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (46:1/263.0)
  • From Accession@46:1/701 to Al on Thursday, July 16, 2015 18:15:36
    Hello Al,

    On 15 Jul 15 21:26, Al wrote to Accession:

    Synchronet support in Golded is actually quite old. It was just
    never documented that I know of.

    Ah, could be it was there for a while but nobody knew it.

    Or the wave of people that /did/ know about it are already long gone. I had to ask one of the Golded+ developers quite a few years back, and I think another SBBS sysop (Joe Delahaye) kept those settings and was able to continue passing it on.. as I had forgot for quite some time up until the last time he told someone how to do it. :)

    Regards,
    Nick

    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20150715
    * Origin: thePharcyde_ telnet://bbs.pharcyde.org (Wisconsin) (46:1/701)
  • From Accession@46:1/701 to wkitty42 on Thursday, July 16, 2015 18:20:26
    Hello wkitty42,

    On 16 Jul 15 11:03, wkitty42 wrote to Accession:

    you use hpt so why not have it purge old messages automatically just
    like on a real bbs or point??

    0 0 * * * /foo/bar/ftn/bin/sqpack "*"

    the above being a cron job on my system to purge at midnight...

    but either way, the above cron job works great over here and takes
    maybe a minute to run on a full backbone load covering 3 years...

    This doesn't cause Golded to say there's 32727 *new* messages after you purge/pack/renumber?

    The thing is, Golded doesn't know you did that. So unless "sqpack" updates Golded's pointers, how is Golded to know now what message number you left off on, and how many new messages you have?

    Unless this is a big difference between JAM and Squish - since Golded has always supported those, to Synchronet's SMB (which could have just been a hack to make it work, whereas not nearly as in depth as they went with JAM and Squish support.

    Either way, I don't need or want retention on my Golded node. It's only for reading/writing purposes and I just clear it when I get sick of seeing 10000 or
    so messages in a few areas (namely the robot posting areas get there first). Only takes a minute or two to do it.

    Regards,
    Nick

    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20150715
    * Origin: thePharcyde_ telnet://bbs.pharcyde.org (Wisconsin) (46:1/701)
  • From Psi-Jack@46:1/142 to wkitty42 on Thursday, July 16, 2015 19:51:27
    Re: Re: How about this one?
    By: wkitty42 to Psi-Jack on Thu Jul 16 2015 10:48 am

    On 07/15/15, Psi-Jack said the following...

    That I'm not sure of. I think Synchronet support is a recent
    addition golded and may need more work but I do see folks using
    it in fido qui bit so it must work to some degree at least.

    Yeah, it is fairly new, bit the changelog claims to work with it
    based on the notes. :)

    i don't think i wrote this in response to one of your other posts but it is possible that GED support for sync is only for the default standard message base format... that may be why it is telling the one person trying it that the base is locked... i don't recall who that was but i do recall you, i think, talking about using one of the other message base formats and thinking about switching to the autopurging one... a read of the GED sources should be able to tell you which sync format is expected...

    Hmmm.. Well, according to Digital Man, there is no actual difference, just how it works internally, pretty much.

    But, looking at the goldlib source for it's smblib, it's literally for Synchronet 3.16, in part using the smblib source from Synchronet itself... So honestly I see no reason why it wouldn't work... hehe

    *sigh* I guess it's just meant not to be. But i'll be poking on FidoNet to see more. :)

    )))[Psi-Jack -//- Decker]
    --- SBBSecho 2.27-Linux
    * Origin: Decker's Heaven -//- bbs.deckersheaven.com (46:1/142)
  • From wkitty42@46:1/132 to Accession on Friday, July 17, 2015 06:58:21
    On 07/16/15, Accession said the following...

    On 16 Jul 15 11:03, wkitty42 wrote to Accession:
    0 0 * * * /foo/bar/ftn/bin/sqpack "*"
    the above being a cron job on my system to purge at midnight...

    This doesn't cause Golded to say there's 32727 *new* messages after you purge/pack/renumber?

    nope... not at all... but AFAIK, i'm only purging and packing old messages... i'm not aware of any renumbering being done... there's no need to renumber, really... not with JAM (and i think maybe SQUish) bases having the capability of 2million messages... when my message numbers in each base approach 2million, i'll think about renumbering ;)

    just for reference, the WEATHER echo on fidonet is my busiest echomail area
    in terms of messages that have passed through it... WEATHER has only had 132000+ posts since july 2007... that's just over 16500 a year... if i did the math right, i have 130000 years at 16500 messages a year before i need to worry about renumbering O:)

    The thing is, Golded doesn't know you did that. So unless "sqpack"
    updates Golded's pointers, how is Golded to know now what message number you left off on, and how many new messages you have?

    message base packing and renumbering /has/ to update the lastread pointers... that's a required part of message base management when packing out old messages...

    golded, being a separate message reader/editor, doesn't have lastread pointers stored in user records like bbses... in JAM bases, at least, the pointers are stored in each message area's lastread data file in a small record for each user... for JAM bases, they are the JLR files which contain a CRC32 of the user's lowercase name, a unique user id, their lastread pointer, and their highread pointers... each of those two pointers can be as large as 2147483647 which is the maximum size of a signed 32bit long integer... "signed" meaning that it has positive and negative values... that's the "2million" number i speak of above...

    i don't remember where SQUish stores its user's lastread pointers... it has been many years since i messed with SQUish bases and that was only for testing my posting tool's operation on them as one of the various message base formats it can post text files to...

    if you are using SQUish message bases, you might try switching to JAM bases
    the next time you decide to wipe out your message bases... just change

    -b squ

    to

    -b jam

    in your husky software's EchoArea definition file for each message area defined... i have a separate .areas file for each feeder link i'm connected to... they're includes in my fidoconfig's config file...

    also, if you are not doing so already, you can also have golded read your fidoconfig for the area definitions...

    AREAFILE Fidoconfig

    that way your husky and golded will stay in sync with each other as far as
    the message base formats being used and where they are located...

    i know this post probably has some information that you already know/knew but
    i included it for completeness so that others might easily follow along if
    they were of mind to try it out...

    --- Mystic BBS v1.10 A57 (Windows)
    * Origin: (46:1/132)
  • From g00r00@46:1/127 to WEATHERMAN on Tuesday, July 07, 2015 18:16:04
    It seems that Mystic can't see it properly, either. I posted the same message in a networked WWIV area and other WWIV systems see it perfectly too.

    Mystic can fully handle and post networked ANSI message just fine. Its just disabled everywhere except in the FS editor.

    To answer who was asking, the way ANSI has to be posted is that it has to be post-processed to be 79 character lines, which can be a little tricky.

    TheDraw can save in that format itself, but most BBS software would probably mangle it. Mystic can post-process any ANSI and does the same thing TheDraw does to create a "network-safe" version of the ANSI with a 79 character line length (including ANSI codes). As far as I know, no other software does it.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.11 A1 (Windows)
    * Origin: Sector 7 [Mystic BBS WHQ] (46:1/127)
  • From WEATHERMAN@46:1/263 to G00r00 on Friday, July 17, 2015 16:46:31


    TheDraw can save in that format itself, but most BBS software would
    probably mangle it. Mystic can post-process any ANSI and does the same
    thing TheDraw does to create a "network-safe" version of the ANSI with a
    79 character line length (including ANSI codes). As far as I know, no
    other software does it.

    I seem to remember reformatting some old ANSIs by loading them into TheDraw and
    re-saving them to be more BBS friendly.

    So far, I have seen every ANSI message posted on here using WWIV. There were a
    few that had the 79 character limit issue, causing them to be not lined up properly. Those were the ones that were not posted by //UPLOAD directly to the
    message.

    I'm going to try and find TheDraw and IcidDraw and try saving a few in a safe format and see if that helps other systems see them better.

    - Mark

    --- WWIVToss v.1.51
    * Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (46:1/263.0)
  • From NuSkooler@46:1/102 to g00r00 on Saturday, July 18, 2015 17:40:06
    TheDraw can save in that format itself, but most BBS software would probably mangle it. Mystic can post-process any ANSI and does the same thing TheDraw does to create a "network-safe" version of the ANSI with a 79 character line length (including ANSI codes). As far as I know, no other software does it.

    I was thinking about this a bit more. I think for this to work (not just sometimes), a few things would need to happen:

    Either pipe codes direclty input in a FSE, or a special "art" upload function for ANSIs that are then converted to pipe. I agree, I don't think any editor is going to a) save with 79 columns, and b) save with ANSI codes
    -- and possibly more importantly -- line feeds that aren't going to be
    stripped in a lot of editors when processing what they think is just "text"

    If a pre processor (e.g. when uploading a .ans) could have a "safe"
    conversion to pipe, it could probably be handled by most message base viewers.

    ...I think :)

    --- Mystic BBS v1.10 (Windows)
    * Origin: fluph.darktech.org (46:1/102)
  • From Accession@46:1/701 to wkitty42 on Sunday, July 19, 2015 14:26:16
    Hello wkitty42,

    On 17 Jul 15 06:58, wkitty42 wrote to Accession:

    The thing is, Golded doesn't know you did that. So unless
    "sqpack" updates Golded's pointers, how is Golded to know now
    what message number you left off on, and how many new messages
    you have?

    message base packing and renumbering /has/ to update the lastread pointers... that's a required part of message base management when
    packing out old messages...

    With that said, I'm guessing Golded is missing something in regards to Synchronet's proprietary format. When you pack/renumber your message bases in Synchronet, The next time you scan for messages within Golded any area that reached the max messages set in SCFG and were purged, Golded will display 32767
    new messages in those areas, which only leads me to believe that it completely lost the lastread pointers or something.

    i don't remember where SQUish stores its user's lastread pointers...
    it has been many years since i messed with SQUish bases and that was
    only for testing my posting tool's operation on them as one of the
    various message base formats it can post text files to...

    if you are using SQUish message bases, you might try switching to JAM bases the next time you decide to wipe out your message bases... just change

    -b squ

    to

    -b jam

    I have always used JAM with husky software. Never really used Squish, and I've never really heard anything about it that makes me want to try it over JAM, either..

    that way your husky and golded will stay in sync with each other as
    far as the message base formats being used and where they are
    located...

    Oh they do stay in sync with each other. It was using Golded with Synchronet that I was referring to those oddities happening. At least that's what kept happening to me the last time I tried it.. which was probably quite a few years
    ago by now. :)

    Regards,
    Nick

    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20150715
    * Origin: thePharcyde_ telnet://bbs.pharcyde.org (Wisconsin) (46:1/701)
  • From wkitty42@46:1/132 to Accession on Monday, July 20, 2015 16:05:43
    On 07/19/15, Accession said the following...

    With that said, I'm guessing Golded is missing something in regards to Synchronet's proprietary format. When you pack/renumber your message
    bases in Synchronet, The next time you scan for messages within Golded
    any area that reached the max messages set in SCFG and were purged,
    Golded will display 32767 new messages in those areas, which only leads
    me to believe that it completely lost the lastread pointers or something.

    oh! i didn't know you were talking about GED with sync's message areas... i thought you had switched to another (more standard) format and that's what i was looking at... i've never tried to use GED with sync's format... not sure that max cares to try, either...

    I have always used JAM with husky software. Never really used Squish,
    and I've never really heard anything about it that makes me want to try
    it over JAM, either..

    that's a plus :)

    --- Mystic BBS v1.10 A57 (Windows)
    * Origin: (46:1/132)
  • From Accession@46:1/701 to wkitty42 on Monday, July 20, 2015 16:50:02
    Hello wkitty42,

    On 20 Jul 15 16:05, wkitty42 wrote to Accession:

    With that said, I'm guessing Golded is missing something in
    regards to Synchronet's proprietary format. When you
    pack/renumber your message bases in Synchronet, The next time you
    scan for messages within Golded any area that reached the max
    messages set in SCFG and were purged, Golded will display 32767
    new messages in those areas, which only leads me to believe that
    it completely lost the lastread pointers or something.

    oh! i didn't know you were talking about GED with sync's message
    areas... i thought you had switched to another (more standard) format
    and that's what i was looking at... i've never tried to use GED with sync's format... not sure that max cares to try, either...

    Ah, yeah. I was just mentioning oddities I've seen in the past while using GED and Synchronet's message bases directly. Nowadays, GED/HuskyStuff/Binkd is another node completely, and works great for quick message scans. :)

    Regards,
    Nick

    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20150715
    * Origin: thePharcyde_ telnet://bbs.pharcyde.org (Wisconsin) (46:1/701)
  • From g00r00@46:1/127 to NuSkooler on Wednesday, July 22, 2015 09:58:50
    Either pipe codes direclty input in a FSE, or a special "art" upload function for ANSIs that are then converted to pipe. I agree, I don't
    think any editor is going to a) save with 79 columns, and b) save with ANSI codes -- and possibly more importantly -- line feeds that aren't going to be stripped in a lot of editors when processing what they think is just "text"

    Mystic does. It's FS editor works pretty much like TheDraw. You can upload an ANSI file into your message and edit it as if its an ANSI editor. Mystic will postprocess it into a 79 line character ANSI format for network distribution.

    Of course its probably buggy and its disabled. If you save now, it will
    strip the color and the reader that processes ANSI is off. You can still upload and edit ANSI though.

    The reason why you can't use pipe is because of the line limitation in some software. If you had to change the fg/bg color of each character in a line that is 79 x 6 characters per line. ANSI has the ability to do cursor
    location so it can be post processed in a way which it is stored with 79 character line lenth, while still allowing the ANSI to be reproduced on the receiving side.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.11 A1 (Windows)
    * Origin: Sector 7 [Mystic BBS WHQ] (46:1/127)
  • From NuSkooler@46:1/140 to g00r00 on Wednesday, July 22, 2015 23:44:10
    $ g00r00 was quoted saying . . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    The reason why you can't use pipe is because of the line limitation in
    some software. If you had to change the fg/bg color of each character in
    a line that is 79 x 6 characters per line. ANSI has the ability to do
    cursor location so it can be post processed in a way which it is stored
    with 79 character line lenth, while still allowing the ANSI to be
    reproduced on the receiving side.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Ah, that makes perfect sense... that hadn't occurred to me.

    Kinda damned if you do, damned if you don't. I think a lot of message viewers are going to strip/ignore any ANSI movement sequences... if they don't just strip all of it or convert e.g. the ESC's to something printable.

    I still think the best approach is a new kludge line or something that lets supported editors switch to a "hey lets display an ANSI" mode.

    ^EMBEDDED-ART:<base64SAUCE>

    ...or something.

    --- Enthral BBS v.635 (PI/2 Linux armv7l)
    * Origin: haunting The chapel >>--> htc.zapto.org <--<< (46:1/140)
  • From Accession@46:1/701 to NuSkooler on Thursday, July 23, 2015 17:06:56
    Hello NuSkooler,

    On 22 Jul 15 23:44, NuSkooler wrote to g00r00:

    I still think the best approach is a new kludge line or something that lets supported editors switch to a "hey lets display an ANSI" mode.

    ^EMBEDDED-ART:<base64SAUCE>

    ...or something.

    The only problem you're going to have with that is backward compatibility. All of the old softwares that aren't still currently developed will never support it. And any new softwares with stubborn authors will never implement something that isn't already in use by many.

    Like you said, damned if you do, damned if you don't. :(

    Regards,
    Nick

    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20150715
    * Origin: thePharcyde_ telnet://bbs.pharcyde.org (Wisconsin) (46:1/701)
  • From NuSkooler@46:1/102 to Accession on Saturday, July 25, 2015 15:54:37
    The only problem you're going to have with that is backward
    compatibility. All of the old softwares that aren't still currently developed will never support it. And any new softwares with stubborn authors will never implement something that isn't already in use by many.

    I think that's true, but those same old softwares will proably never display
    a posted ANSI correctly.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.10 (Windows)
    * Origin: fluph.darktech.org (46:1/102)
  • From wkitty42@46:1/132 to NuSkooler on Saturday, July 25, 2015 22:21:42
    On 07/25/15, NuSkooler said the following...

    The only problem you're going to have with that is backward compatibility. All of the old softwares that aren't still currently developed will never support it. And any new softwares with stubborn authors will never implement something that isn't already in use by m

    I think that's true, but those same old softwares will proably never display a posted ANSI correctly.

    many of the original bbs packages didn't have problems in the past with properly posted ANSIs... there were several ANSI message areas in several of the old networks... i used to see them posted all the time in RIME/PCRelay
    and Fidonet but only in the message areas designated for them... colored sigs and general messages that were colored were more of a nusiance for the most part...

    --- Mystic BBS v1.10 A57 (Windows)
    * Origin: (46:1/132)
  • From NuSkooler@46:2/101 to wkitty42 on Friday, July 31, 2015 07:22:01
    many of the original bbs packages didn't have problems in the past with properly posted ANSIs... there were several ANSI message areas in
    several of the old networks... i used to see them posted all the time in

    I remember having ANSI work great on my Obv/2 board back in the day, but
    don't really remember much about ANSI on networks. I think that one gets much tricker due to the many implementations and hacks.

    FWIW, I've yet to see any of the ANSI's posted here work correctly from any
    of the boards I'm on. I'm sure it works for some, but it's just too iffy.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.10 A59 (Linux)
    * Origin: Haciend.com - Scandinavian demoscene bbs (Finland) (46:2/101)
  • From Al@46:1/161.1 to WEATHERMAN on Saturday, August 01, 2015 01:41:36
    Re: How about this one?
    By: WEATHERMAN to All on Wed Jul 01 2015 09:43 pm

    Hello Weatherman,

    [11CAffiliated with Ash Ock Empire and Ash Ock Underground![A
    [66C[0m

    I can't see this whole message because it just scrols right to the end. Looking at my quote buffer looks like quite a long file. But the last bit of the message that I do see is perfect. I can't see the header of this msg but I think it was posted around July 1.

    Just commenting as I travel.. :)

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

    ... By the time most of us have money to burn, our fire's gone out.
    --- SBBSecho 2.27-Linux
    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (46:1/161.1)
  • From WEATHERMAN@46:1/263 to Nuskooler on Saturday, August 01, 2015 08:43:39


    I remember having ANSI work great on my Obv/2 board back in the day, but don't really remember much about ANSI on networks. I think that one gets much tricker due to the many implementations and hacks.

    The only ANSI message network I can remember was on WWIVnet - called "The ANSI Art Gallery".

    FWIW, I've yet to see any of the ANSI's posted here work correctly from
    any of the boards I'm on. I'm sure it works for some, but it's just too iffy.

    I guess the reason it worked on WWIVnet was due to the fact that everyone in that network ran WWIV. For whatever reason, WWIV doesn't seem to have a problem displaying the ANSIs locally or via a network.

    - Mark

    --- WWIVToss v.1.51
    * Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (46:1/263.0)
  • From Poindexter Fortran@46:1/115 to WEATHERMAN on Monday, August 03, 2015 19:00:41
    Re: Re: How about this one?
    By: WEATHERMAN to Nuskooler on Sat Aug 01 2015 08:43 am

    I remember having ANSI work great on my Obv/2 board back in the day,

    Are there any oblivion BBSes on the internet these days? I'd love to see what they looked like again.
    --- SBBSecho 2.27-Win32
    * Origin: Sent from my iPhone (46:1/115)
  • From Accession@46:1/701 to Poindexter Fortran on Tuesday, August 04, 2015 15:41:58
    Hello Poindexter,

    On 03 Aug 15 19:00, Poindexter Fortran wrote to WEATHERMAN:

    Re: Re: How about this one?
    By: WEATHERMAN to Nuskooler on Sat Aug 01 2015 08:43 am

    I remember having ANSI work great on my Obv/2 board back in the
    day,

    Are there any oblivion BBSes on the internet these days? I'd love to
    see what they looked like again.

    I think Captain Hood was officially the last person to run OBV/2 about 3-5 years ago or something like that. He can probably give a more exact time, and I
    may be way off. He may even have it as a door off his Mystic's doors menu or something. I don't remember.

    Regards,
    Nick

    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20150715
    * Origin: thePharcyde_ telnet://bbs.pharcyde.org (Wisconsin) (46:1/701)
  • From NuSkooler@46:1/140 to Poindexter Fortran on Tuesday, August 04, 2015 23:49:12
    $ Poindexter Fortran was quoted saying . . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Are there any oblivion BBSes on the internet these days? I'd love to see
    what they looked like again.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I'm not running one, but I did get Obv/2 running under DOSEMU the other day. Using the virtual port it should be pretty easy to setup if one was so inclined.

    --- Enthral BBS v.635 (PI/2 Linux armv7l)
    * Origin: haunting The chapel >>--> htc.zapto.org <--<< (46:1/140)
  • From caphood@46:1/166 to Accession on Wednesday, August 05, 2015 01:30:22

    I think Captain Hood was officially the last person to run OBV/2 about
    3-5 years ago or something like that. He can probably give a more exact time, and I may be way off. He may even have it as a door off his
    Mystic's doors menu or something. I don't remember.
    Regards,
    Nick

    i CHECKED.. Im not running it currently. I thought i had it still up as
    a door through my PCBoard setup but nah. It was pretty cool. I also had
    it running stand alone for a while running through gamesrv
    and then net2bbs. Net2bbs was the last configuration
    but it had issues with file transfers. Pretty archaic stuff :)

    (|15Captain|07 |15Hood|07 |11+O|07)
    |03{|11tHE|10.|11pIRATE|10.|14kING|03}|07 |08<|12AC|13i|12D|08>|07

    --- Mystic BBS v1.10 (OSX)
    * Origin: Alcoholiday! - alky.duckdns.org (46:1/166)
  • From WEATHERMAN@46:1/263 to Poindexter Fortran on Wednesday, August 05, 2015 16:07:49


    Are there any oblivion BBSes on the internet these days? I'd love to see what they looked like again.

    I have never seen one, but I did like the old setups. I was on several "elite"
    Forum style BBS systems back in the day. Between my BBS phone line and the house line, I kept both busy most of the time.

    - Mark

    --- WWIVToss v.1.51
    * Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (46:1/263.0)
  • From Accession@46:1/701 to caphood on Wednesday, August 05, 2015 17:38:18
    Hello caphood,

    On 05 Aug 15 01:30, caphood wrote to Accession:

    i CHECKED.. Im not running it currently. I thought i had it still up
    as a door through my PCBoard setup but nah. It was pretty cool. I also
    had it running stand alone for a while running through gamesrv and
    then net2bbs. Net2bbs was the last configuration but it had issues
    with file transfers. Pretty archaic stuff :)

    Respect the hell out of you for keeping that shit going for so long, brother. I
    loved calling there just to see an OBV/2 setup in the 2000s (as I ran that for years back in the early-mid 90s). The added bonus was that you had it modded like crazy, and there were no glitches (as OBV/2 has been known for in the past) or ansimation fuckups or anything like that. PROPS!

    Regards,
    Nick

    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20150715
    * Origin: thePharcyde_ telnet://bbs.pharcyde.org (Wisconsin) (46:1/701)
  • From Caphood@46:1/204 to Accession on Thursday, August 06, 2015 00:39:56
    Respect the hell out of you for keeping that shit going for so long, bro

    Regards,
    Nick

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    I just put it up on port 2425 if anyone wants to check it out ..

    blackflag.acid.org:2425

    |10|11|07 (|15Captain|07 |15Hood|07 |10+O|07) |11|10|07
    |03{|11tHE|10.|11pIRATE|10.|14kING|03}|07

    --- DayDream BBS/UNIX : ACiD Kickass Edition (Linux) 2.15a
    * Origin: Black Flag - ACiD Telnet HQ - blackflag.acid.org:2627 (46:1/204)
  • From Mercyful Fate@46:1/140 to NuSkooler on Thursday, August 06, 2015 11:52:24
    $ NuSkooler was quoted saying . . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    $ Poindexter Fortran was quoted saying . . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Are there any oblivion BBSes on the internet these days? I'd love to see
    what they looked like again. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I'm not running one, but I did get Obv/2 running under DOSEMU the other
    day. Using the virtual port it should be pretty easy to setup if one was
    so inclined.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I wouldn't run it now a days. Caphood can confirm, several years back both of us were playing with it and there was some nasty bugs in the file system
    would could give someone access to kill your files. So it's not wise to run
    it and most likely the reason one isn't up anymore. It's still cool to look
    at though, or if you diabled access to the file area you'd most likely be
    fine.

    I've always liked how they did the sets for menu, status, and propmpt. And tried to mimic that in enthral, but got a little lazy.. i'll have to work harder on my next iteration.. :)

    |07M|11er|03cy|07ful Fate |08(|15hTc|08)|07

    --- Enthral BBS v.635 (PI/2 Linux armv7l)
    * Origin: haunting The chapel >>--> htc.zapto.org <--<< (46:1/140)
  • From Digital Avatar@46:1/145 to WEATHERMAN on Thursday, August 27, 2015 23:43:04
    on 08/01/15, WEATHERMAN said...

    The only ANSI message network I can remember was on WWIVnet - called
    "The ANSI Art Gallery".

    You know, it disappoints me that so much of WWIVnet's history has pretty much vanished. Try searching the net some time. It's like it never existed.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.10 (Windows)
    * Origin: d i s t o r t i o n // d1st.org (46:1/145)
  • From PEABOY@46:1/263 to Digital Avatar on Monday, August 31, 2015 04:13:14


    You know, it disappoints me that so much of WWIVnet's history has pretty much vanished. Try searching the net some time. It's like it never
    existed.


    We're working on it! I've been doing a ton of work on the WWIV 5.0 wiki. I'm a new helper on the crew, but digging into the History pages is something I could
    use help with. Feel free to share anecdotes or formal histories!

    https://github.com/wwivbbs/wwiv/wiki/wwivnet

    Thanks!

    --- WWIVToss v.1.51
    * Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (46:1/263.0)
  • From WEATHERMAN@46:1/263 to Digital Avatar on Thursday, September 10, 2015 16:25:56


    You know, it disappoints me that so much of WWIVnet's history has pretty much vanished. Try searching the net some time. It's like it never
    existed.

    Agreed.. It was a huge network at one time and there were many spin-offs using the same network software (ICEnet, WWIVLink, and many..many more).

    The good news is development is doing going on to this day. We have an incredible programmer working on the project and working towards using BinkD to
    transfer packets.

    Recently, we have discussed the possibility of making a "WWIVnet FTN" network. Basically a FTN network to gate all WWIVnet subs <-> to FTN BBS systems. There
    is some interest in setting that up.

    Very similar to how I get DoveNet from Gaylen. We have a mini-FTN network where he gates QWK to FTN for me. Been working great for years!

    - Mark

    --- WWIVToss v.1.51
    * Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (46:1/263.0)
  • From WEATHERMAN@46:1/263 to Peaboy #143 on Thursday, September 10, 2015 16:28:18


    We're working on it! I've been doing a ton of work on the WWIV 5.0 wiki.
    I'm a new helper on the crew, but digging into the History pages is something I could use help with. Feel free to share anecdotes or formal histories! https://github.com/wwivbbs/wwiv/wiki/wwivnet

    Greatly appreciated!

    The information helps.. Many people don't even know that WWIVnet has been back online and alive for over a year now.

    - Mark

    --- WWIVToss v.1.51
    * Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (46:1/263.0)
  • From Veetid@46:1/166 to WEATHERMAN on Friday, September 11, 2015 00:51:26
    The good news is development is doing going on to this day. We have an in

    Recently, we have discussed the possibility of making a "WWIVnet FTN" netw

    Very similar to how I get DoveNet from Gaylen. We have a mini-FTN network

    - Mark

    --- WWIVToss v.1.51
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    Howdy Mark, I'm the guy that's been nagging you about the "WWIV FTN" feature, heheh. I hope some other folks will want to get on-board with that.

    I haven't been on WWIVnet since about 1994 when I last ran WWIV, but it would be nice to see that net spring back to life. The recent activity in the past few weeks has been fun to watch.

    -V

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  • From nolageek@46:1/151 to Veetid on Friday, September 11, 2015 13:59:38
    Re: Re: How about this one?
    By: Veetid to WEATHERMAN on Fri Sep 11 2015 12:51 am

    The good news is development is doing going on to this day. We have an in Recently, we have discussed the possibility of making a "WWIVnet FTN" netw Very similar to how I get DoveNet from Gaylen. We have a mini-FTN network Howdy Mark, I'm the guy that's been nagging you about the "WWIV FTN" feature, heheh. I hope some other folks will want to get on-board with

    I would very much like to get on WWIVnet from my sync board via FTn. :)

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  • From WEATHERMAN@46:1/263 to Veetid on Saturday, September 12, 2015 15:44:04


    Howdy Mark, I'm the guy that's been nagging you about the "WWIV FTN" feature, heheh. I hope some other folks will want to get on-board with
    that.

    Cool, I thought you were over here in Agoranet.. :)

    I haven't been on WWIVnet since about 1994 when I last ran WWIV, but it would be nice to see that net spring back to life. The recent activity in the past few weeks has been fun to watch.

    We seem to have off/on surges of development depending on everyone's work and personal schedules. Most of my work has been with WWIVTOSS and WSETUP (the setup program for WWIVTOSS).

    I just made a few adjustments to WSETUP and pushed it to Github.

    - Mark

    --- WWIVToss v.1.51
    * Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (46:1/263.0)
  • From WEATHERMAN@46:1/263 to Nolageek on Saturday, September 12, 2015 15:49:21


    I would very much like to get on WWIVnet from my sync board via FTn. :)

    Nice to have additional interest. I figured if there was enough real interest,
    the plan would be for me to do something similar to how I receive Dovenet over here in WWIV. A mini-FTN network between myself and Gaylen Hintz. He gates everything from QWK to FTN to me and it has worked very well.

    Would have to get a "unique" network number for this. Probably call it "WWIVnet FTN" or something like that. I could subscribe to all the message areas and gate them all to this FTN network and host it on my D'Bridge hub.

    Will look at doing some testing and see if we can maybe bring this to life.

    - Mark

    --- WWIVToss v.1.51
    * Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (46:1/263.0)
  • From Veetid@46:1/166 to WEATHERMAN on Sunday, September 13, 2015 03:40:28
    Would have to get a "unique" network number for this. Probably call it "W

    Will look at doing some testing and see if we can maybe bring this to life

    - Mark

    --- WWIVToss v.1.51
    * Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (46:1/263.0) ---[ WEATHERMAN ]----------------------------------------------------------

    Let me know if there's anything I can do to help with testing or whatnot.
    Good luck with your testing!

    -V

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  • From Digital Avatar@46:1/145 to PEABOY on Thursday, October 08, 2015 06:53:58
    on 08/31/15, PEABOY said...

    We're working on it! I've been doing a ton of work on the WWIV 5.0 wiki. I'm a new helper on the crew, but digging into the History pages is something I could use help with. Feel free to share anecdotes or formal histories!

    https://github.com/wwivbbs/wwiv/wiki/wwivnet

    I would, but I don't really have anything to share. At best I might have some old logs floating around from ModNet (for all the good that does).

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  • From nolageek@46:1/151 to WEATHERMAN on Monday, October 19, 2015 17:14:00
    Re: Re: How about this one?
    By: WEATHERMAN to Nolageek on Sat Sep 12 2015 03:49 pm

    I would very much like to get on WWIVnet from my sync board via FTn.
    :)
    Nice to have additional interest. I figured if there was enough real interest,
    the plan would be for me to do something similar to how I receive Dovenet over here in WWIV. A mini-FTN network between myself and Gaylen Hintz. He

    Definately interested - sorry I haven't replied lately, I've been distracted with some traveling and some gaming. :)

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