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Nope. Can't make anything out on that one.
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Looked good to me (Synchronet BBS/Syncterm)
Looked good to me (Synchronet BBS/Syncterm)
Nope it came out funny when I tried to look at it.
Looked good to me (Synchronet BBS/Syncterm)Cool! You are the first one to see it properly.
What type of BBS are you running? It must have something to do with the
Looked good to me (Synchronet BBS/Syncterm)What type of BBS are you running? It must have something to do with the
hehe It's in the message you quoted. :) Synchronet, was viewing using Syncterm. :)
Was wondering what you were using to look at it? Maybe this had to do with the reader and not the actual BBS software.
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That one looked perfect on Ezycom.
Looked good to me (Synchronet BBS/Syncterm)
Please ignore my last reply asking what BBS you are using. Obviously, I have not had enough coffee yet this morning.
So why can you see it properly with Synchronet/Syncterm and yet others using Synchonet don't see it properly?
On 07/05/15, WEATHERMAN pondered and said...
Was wondering what you were using to look at it? Maybe this had to d with the reader and not the actual BBS software.
Using Netrunner for Windows and viewing it via Mystic 1.10
same here... when i saw it, i had to keep hitting enter to see the next bits of it but they were all jambed up into the top 8 or so lines of the message body below the message header set up on this system... i suspect
probably because he was dialed in and saw it in syncterm instead of raw on the bbs (local login) like most of us are likely to be doing ;)
same here... when i saw it, i had to keep hitting enter to see the next
bits of it but they were all jambed up into the top 8 or so lines of the message body below the message header set up on this system... i suspect there were more than 24 lines or so making the ANSI as well as no disable
of page pausing is the same across all bbses...
probably because he was dialed in and saw it in syncterm instead of
raw on the bbs (local login) like most of us are likely to be doing
;)
That makes sense and would be great if someone could prove that out. It has been so long since I have logged into my WWIV BBS locally, I can't remember if ANSI displays properly that way or not. I believe it does, but can't say 100%.
So far we've seen an EleBBS and (one?) Synchronet system display your ANSI properly. If it's a setting I'm using here, or the reader I'm using
(SlyEdit by Nightfox), if proven, I will definitely look into fixing it. Otherwise, more testing should probably be done. An ANSI post from a
Mystic system might help, as if that shows here properly, then it was probably something with the original one posted.
That would be a good test if someone with Mystic could post one. Does Synchronet have any settings for message characters per line? The ANSI
I had posted used just about all 79 characters per line which might
throw off some with shorter line lengths.
Would have to dig up an ANSI that isn't as wide.
That would be a good test if someone with Mystic could post one.
That would be a good test if someone with Mystic could post one.
That would be a good test if someone with Mystic could post one.
One more try.. this time with Golded.. next msg..
That would be a good test if someone with Mystic could post one. Does Synchronet have any settings for message characters per line? The
ANSI I had posted used just about all 79 characters per line which
might throw off some with shorter line lengths.
Would have to dig up an ANSI that isn't as wide.
OKay. I need to know what and where, precisely, is needed to get GoldEd+/LNX. I want to build distribution packages AND get it actually working. :)
This one displayed fine over here. Do you by chance have one colored?
This one displayed the "Trans Canada" text perfect as well as colored.
But the ansi above it was garbled.
We also have to take into consideration what program is being used to create these ansis. Pablodraw saves a little differently than
TundraDraw, and both save a little bit differently than TheDraw and AcidDraw.
There's a lot of factors here that have to be accounted for. So much for "standards" eh?
OKay. I need to know what and where, precisely, is needed to get
GoldEd+/LNX. I want to build distribution packages AND get it
actually working. :)
I got the vesion I am using from cvs somewhere, the golded-plus sourceforge site probably. I have a source tarball of it if you like I can netmail or email to you.
If we could get a standard together with Mystic, Synchronet and other interseted folks, maybe we could get something going.. Never know till you try..~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
All I have left is... I see in the notes, it /supports/ Synchronet's
SMB message bases, but all I get is "Wait: /sbbs/.../blah is locked"
and open retry count just continues to grow. Only way out is to exit
out of it.
Accession... Any comments on this ^^ ? Maybe you've gotten it to work?
:) Looks like the same build number Al is using, 1.1.5 20130910C, according to the .spec reldate.
I can't remember I posted something like this before, but has anyone considered ANSI -> pipe codes? Another option, or in addition to pipe codes, could be a kluge line specifying to display the art in it's
fully glory.
I've been reading all these message attempts at displaying ANSI in message bases, and so far, I haven't seen one come through properly on any of the boards I freq., which covers at least Enthral, Mystic, Syncronet, and some others.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Accession... Any comments on this ^^ ? Maybe you've gotten it to
work? :) Looks like the same build number Al is using, 1.1.5
20130910C, according to the .spec reldate.
I believe all you have to do is point the AREAFILE(?) keyword to sbbs/crtl/msgs.cnf and it should work. Remember, though.. Golded+ will not understand if you pack/renumber your message bases in Synchronet, which will cause Golded+ to show the wrong number of total and new messages in an area that was packed/renumbered. If you plan on using it, you will have to disable that and let your message bases keep collecting messages. If you ever want to pack/renumber, you can do it manually, and then reset Golded+ to follow suit.
I believe this is why I stopped using it directly on my Synchronet message bases. I wanted to continue to pack/renumber (5000 max, and 2 years retention for age) so I moved Golded+ to it's own JAM message bases using binkd and husky tools. That way when there's too many messages for me, I just delete the message base data files and let Golded+ recreate them starting fresh every 6 months or so.
I believe this is why I stopped using it directly on my Synchronet
message bases. I wanted to continue to pack/renumber (5000 max, and
2 years retention for age) so I moved Golded+ to it's own JAM
message bases using binkd and husky tools. That way when there's too
many messages for me, I just delete the message base data files and
let Golded+ recreate them starting fresh every 6 months or so.
Re: Re: How about this one?
By: Psi-Jack to Accession on Tue Jul 14 2015 09:07 pm
I believe this is why I stopped using it directly on my
Synchronet message bases. I wanted to continue to pack/renumber
(5000 max, and 2 years retention for age) so I moved Golded+ to
it's own JAM message bases using binkd and husky tools. That way
when there's too many messages for me, I just delete the message
base data files and let Golded+ recreate them starting fresh
every 6 months or so.
Interesting approach. Heh
hpt, does it support Synchronet's SMB?
I believe this is why I stopped using it directly on my
Synchronet message bases. I wanted to continue to pack/renumber
(5000 max, and 2 years retention for age) so I moved Golded+ to
it's own JAM message bases using binkd and husky tools. That way
when there's too many messages for me, I just delete the message
base data files and let Golded+ recreate them starting fresh
every 6 months or so.
Interesting approach. Heh
hpt, does it support Synchronet's SMB?
HPT does not. That's why I'm using it on a separate node without Synchronet. I believe it currently supports JAM, Squish, and MSG message bases.
My Synchronet hub sends mail over to my binkd/hpt(jam)/golded+ node, which is this one I'm currently posting from. This message will be sent back to the hub before it goes out to the rest.
Heh.. I got it. Finally. Luckily it even came with it's own .spec file for building an RPM, however like the binkd and husky-tools .spec files, needed a bit of fixing. Lotta people don't know how to properly make sane .spec files. ;)
All I have left is... I see in the notes, it /supports/ Synchronet's
SMB message bases, but all I get is "Wait: /sbbs/.../blah is locked"
and open retry count just continues to grow. Only way out is to exit
out of it.
Heh.. I got it. Finally. Luckily it even came with it's own .spec
file for building an RPM, however like the binkd and husky-tools
.spec files, needed a bit of fixing. Lotta people don't know how to
properly make sane .spec files. ;)
Spec file? What spec file!? :)
All I have left is... I see in the notes, it /supports/ Synchronet's
SMB message bases, but all I get is "Wait: /sbbs/.../blah is locked"
and open retry count just continues to grow. Only way out is to exit
out of it.
That I'm not sure of. I think Synchronet support is a recent addition to golded and may need more work but I do see folks using it in fido quite a bit so it must work to some degree at least.
Seems to be a new version of golded out now. The changelog I read said only something about updates for clang compatability. That won't affect me but it's nice to be upto date. New versions on sf.net for dos windows and os/2, along with the source.. :)
Since I'm working on my own soft I'm definitely interested in the
prospect of getting some sort of standard put together.
In the end of it
all, I think a proper ANSI viewer is going to be required for anything
too fancy. Some message edit/viewers use less than 80 columns, ANSI's
have codes for moving the cursor up/down/etc,. and then you have things like blink vs iCE, animation, etc.
I can't remember I posted something like this before, but has anyone considered ANSI -> pipe codes? Another option, or in addition to pipe codes, could be a kluge line specifying to display the art in it's fully glory.
My Synchronet hub sends mail over to my binkd/hpt(jam)/golded+
node, which is this one I'm currently posting from. This message
will be sent back to the hub before it goes out to the rest.
Hmm, I see.. Effectively you're doing your own point node setup sorta kinda then, eh?
Hmmm.. Makes a form of sense I suppose. Though it does look like Synchronet's TODO has things to do with husky-tools's smapi, but who
knows exactly what that is, and when it'll be. ;)
That I'm not sure of. I think Synchronet support is a recent addition
to golded and may need more work but I do see folks using it in fido
quite a bit so it must work to some degree at least.
Seems to be a new version of golded out now. The changelog I read said only something about updates for clang compatability. That won't
affect me but it's nice to be upto date. New versions on sf.net for
dos windows and os/2, along with the source.. :)
Heh, Yeah, my build is directly from CVS checkouts, one I plan to maintain, so long as golded+ continues development, but still a bit curious about the date. Maybe code's been changing, but changelog
notes are not, and the .spec file provided in golded's source may not
have changed. Dunno. ;)
One more try with golded+. I think it'll mangle to formatting..
One more try with golded+. I think it'll mangle to formatting..~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
One more try with golded+. I think it'll mangle to formatting..
That I'm not sure of. I think Synchronet support is a recent addition to golded and may need more work but I do see folks using it in fido quite a bit so it must work to some degree at least.
Synchronet support in Golded is actually quite old. It was just never documented that I know of.
One more try with golded+. I think it'll mangle to formatting..
Welp... this time on Syncronet: Both very garbled, no real color.
The second one seems to show more replacements.
Problem is I can't see what's really being transfered here. What did you use to convert ANSI to pipe?
The first one didn't work for me (viewing via Enthral atm), but this one did a bit better. The color came through at least, and the bottom logo/text looked good.
I think with any of them ANSI's that are 80 columns are going to have issue.
One more try with golded+. I think it'll mangle to formatting..
OK, this time from Mystic:
* First one: No color, garbled image
* Second one: Color, but very garbled (much more than via Enthral)
Heh, Yeah, my build is directly from CVS checkouts, one I plan to
maintain, so long as golded+ continues development, but still a bit
curious about the date. Maybe code's been changing, but changelog
notes are not, and the .spec file provided in golded's source may
not have changed. Dunno. ;)
Welp, it looks like the latest version was bumped today, as you can see in my tearline below. The last version I was using was from 2013, but they were updating while not increasing the version number for awhile.
Updates are few and far between these days, but they do happen if there's a need for it. I believe one or two others are trying to gain access to be able to submit updates as well, so hopefully development continues as it has been. If not, the source is right there to do what you want with. :)
That I'm not sure of. I think Synchronet support is a recent addition golded and may need more work but I do see folks using it in fido qui bit so it must work to some degree at least.
Yeah, it is fairly new, bit the changelog claims to work with it based
on the notes. :)
One more try with golded+. I think it'll mangle to formatting..
==== Begin "logo.asc" ====
|16|07 |04▄██████████████|15▄█████ ▀▄ ▀ ██▀ ▌██ ▀▄|07
When I'm fed up with how many messages my Golded node has, I
simply "rm *" in the message base directory, and then open
Golded and scroll through each message base, which recreates
all the data files needed. Done deal.
That is an old ansi and it likely is 80 columns. I might be able to take
1 column off the right side and one off the left and not lose the
original look. Will have to try.
load it in THEDRAW and block save it with like 75 characters per line... won't loose anything... don't clear the screen, though... if you do, it
all over the header of the message reader on the bbs... i say 75 charact because it seems that many bbses wrap longer lines and 75 is just there maybe it won't wrap at all...
I uploaded that ansi into a message with the upload command from mystic's full screen editor. It looked as it should when I saved it but when I look at that message after posting there is no colour. Still looks like it
should in B&W though.. :)
Maybe. I also couldn't see the editor I'm using as the problem, since it's just an FSE scrolling editor that utilizes the regular Synchronet message bases and text.. Most, if not all BBS ads in those areas seem to display just fine with what I use.
Was there possibly any ICE colors (blinking) in the ansi(s) you posted?
I'm fairly certain Synchronet doesn't handle those in messages, but I
could be wrong.
If we could get a standard together with Mystic, Synchronet and other interseted folks, maybe we could get something going.. Never know till you try..
I've been reading all these message attempts at displaying ANSI in message bases, and so far, I haven't seen one come through properly on any of the boards I freq., which covers at least Enthral, Mystic, Syncronet, and some others.
I know for a fact I've seen ANSI display properly in both Synchronet and Mystic, so I have a feeling it's more of a posting issue where the ANSI codes might be (accidentally?) translated to some kind of CTRL key combination that is messing up the display on these software. I know Synchronet uses CTRL key combinations for cursor movement and other
things.. so I wonder if there's a CTRL key combination to ignore CTRL key combinations in such a post.
Synchronet support in Golded is actually quite old. It was just
never documented that I know of.
Ah, could be it was there for a while but nobody knew it.
you use hpt so why not have it purge old messages automatically just
like on a real bbs or point??
0 0 * * * /foo/bar/ftn/bin/sqpack "*"
the above being a cron job on my system to purge at midnight...
but either way, the above cron job works great over here and takes
maybe a minute to run on a full backbone load covering 3 years...
On 07/15/15, Psi-Jack said the following...
That I'm not sure of. I think Synchronet support is a recent
addition golded and may need more work but I do see folks using
it in fido qui bit so it must work to some degree at least.
Yeah, it is fairly new, bit the changelog claims to work with it
based on the notes. :)
i don't think i wrote this in response to one of your other posts but it is possible that GED support for sync is only for the default standard message base format... that may be why it is telling the one person trying it that the base is locked... i don't recall who that was but i do recall you, i think, talking about using one of the other message base formats and thinking about switching to the autopurging one... a read of the GED sources should be able to tell you which sync format is expected...
On 16 Jul 15 11:03, wkitty42 wrote to Accession:
0 0 * * * /foo/bar/ftn/bin/sqpack "*"
the above being a cron job on my system to purge at midnight...
This doesn't cause Golded to say there's 32727 *new* messages after you purge/pack/renumber?
The thing is, Golded doesn't know you did that. So unless "sqpack"
updates Golded's pointers, how is Golded to know now what message number you left off on, and how many new messages you have?
It seems that Mystic can't see it properly, either. I posted the same message in a networked WWIV area and other WWIV systems see it perfectly too.
TheDraw can save in that format itself, but most BBS software would
probably mangle it. Mystic can post-process any ANSI and does the same
thing TheDraw does to create a "network-safe" version of the ANSI with a
79 character line length (including ANSI codes). As far as I know, no
other software does it.
TheDraw can save in that format itself, but most BBS software would probably mangle it. Mystic can post-process any ANSI and does the same thing TheDraw does to create a "network-safe" version of the ANSI with a 79 character line length (including ANSI codes). As far as I know, no other software does it.
The thing is, Golded doesn't know you did that. So unless
"sqpack" updates Golded's pointers, how is Golded to know now
what message number you left off on, and how many new messages
you have?
message base packing and renumbering /has/ to update the lastread pointers... that's a required part of message base management when
packing out old messages...
i don't remember where SQUish stores its user's lastread pointers...
it has been many years since i messed with SQUish bases and that was
only for testing my posting tool's operation on them as one of the
various message base formats it can post text files to...
if you are using SQUish message bases, you might try switching to JAM bases the next time you decide to wipe out your message bases... just change
-b squ
to
-b jam
that way your husky and golded will stay in sync with each other as
far as the message base formats being used and where they are
located...
With that said, I'm guessing Golded is missing something in regards to Synchronet's proprietary format. When you pack/renumber your message
bases in Synchronet, The next time you scan for messages within Golded
any area that reached the max messages set in SCFG and were purged,
Golded will display 32767 new messages in those areas, which only leads
me to believe that it completely lost the lastread pointers or something.
I have always used JAM with husky software. Never really used Squish,
and I've never really heard anything about it that makes me want to try
it over JAM, either..
With that said, I'm guessing Golded is missing something in
regards to Synchronet's proprietary format. When you
pack/renumber your message bases in Synchronet, The next time you
scan for messages within Golded any area that reached the max
messages set in SCFG and were purged, Golded will display 32767
new messages in those areas, which only leads me to believe that
it completely lost the lastread pointers or something.
oh! i didn't know you were talking about GED with sync's message
areas... i thought you had switched to another (more standard) format
and that's what i was looking at... i've never tried to use GED with sync's format... not sure that max cares to try, either...
Either pipe codes direclty input in a FSE, or a special "art" upload function for ANSIs that are then converted to pipe. I agree, I don't
think any editor is going to a) save with 79 columns, and b) save with ANSI codes -- and possibly more importantly -- line feeds that aren't going to be stripped in a lot of editors when processing what they think is just "text"
The reason why you can't use pipe is because of the line limitation in~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
some software. If you had to change the fg/bg color of each character in
a line that is 79 x 6 characters per line. ANSI has the ability to do
cursor location so it can be post processed in a way which it is stored
with 79 character line lenth, while still allowing the ANSI to be
reproduced on the receiving side.
I still think the best approach is a new kludge line or something that lets supported editors switch to a "hey lets display an ANSI" mode.
^EMBEDDED-ART:<base64SAUCE>
...or something.
The only problem you're going to have with that is backward
compatibility. All of the old softwares that aren't still currently developed will never support it. And any new softwares with stubborn authors will never implement something that isn't already in use by many.
The only problem you're going to have with that is backward compatibility. All of the old softwares that aren't still currently developed will never support it. And any new softwares with stubborn authors will never implement something that isn't already in use by m
I think that's true, but those same old softwares will proably never display a posted ANSI correctly.
many of the original bbs packages didn't have problems in the past with properly posted ANSIs... there were several ANSI message areas in
several of the old networks... i used to see them posted all the time in
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I remember having ANSI work great on my Obv/2 board back in the day, but don't really remember much about ANSI on networks. I think that one gets much tricker due to the many implementations and hacks.
FWIW, I've yet to see any of the ANSI's posted here work correctly from
any of the boards I'm on. I'm sure it works for some, but it's just too iffy.
I remember having ANSI work great on my Obv/2 board back in the day,
Re: Re: How about this one?
By: WEATHERMAN to Nuskooler on Sat Aug 01 2015 08:43 am
I remember having ANSI work great on my Obv/2 board back in the
day,
Are there any oblivion BBSes on the internet these days? I'd love to
see what they looked like again.
Are there any oblivion BBSes on the internet these days? I'd love to see~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
what they looked like again.
I think Captain Hood was officially the last person to run OBV/2 about
3-5 years ago or something like that. He can probably give a more exact time, and I may be way off. He may even have it as a door off his
Mystic's doors menu or something. I don't remember.
Regards,
Nick
Are there any oblivion BBSes on the internet these days? I'd love to see what they looked like again.
i CHECKED.. Im not running it currently. I thought i had it still up
as a door through my PCBoard setup but nah. It was pretty cool. I also
had it running stand alone for a while running through gamesrv and
then net2bbs. Net2bbs was the last configuration but it had issues
with file transfers. Pretty archaic stuff :)
Respect the hell out of you for keeping that shit going for so long, bro
Regards,
Nick
$ Poindexter Fortran was quoted saying . . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Are there any oblivion BBSes on the internet these days? I'd love to see~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
what they looked like again. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I'm not running one, but I did get Obv/2 running under DOSEMU the other
day. Using the virtual port it should be pretty easy to setup if one was
so inclined.
The only ANSI message network I can remember was on WWIVnet - called
"The ANSI Art Gallery".
You know, it disappoints me that so much of WWIVnet's history has pretty much vanished. Try searching the net some time. It's like it never
existed.
You know, it disappoints me that so much of WWIVnet's history has pretty much vanished. Try searching the net some time. It's like it never
existed.
We're working on it! I've been doing a ton of work on the WWIV 5.0 wiki.
I'm a new helper on the crew, but digging into the History pages is something I could use help with. Feel free to share anecdotes or formal histories! https://github.com/wwivbbs/wwiv/wiki/wwivnet
The good news is development is doing going on to this day. We have an in Recently, we have discussed the possibility of making a "WWIVnet FTN" netw Very similar to how I get DoveNet from Gaylen. We have a mini-FTN network Howdy Mark, I'm the guy that's been nagging you about the "WWIV FTN" feature, heheh. I hope some other folks will want to get on-board with
Howdy Mark, I'm the guy that's been nagging you about the "WWIV FTN" feature, heheh. I hope some other folks will want to get on-board with
that.
I haven't been on WWIVnet since about 1994 when I last ran WWIV, but it would be nice to see that net spring back to life. The recent activity in the past few weeks has been fun to watch.
I would very much like to get on WWIVnet from my sync board via FTn. :)
We're working on it! I've been doing a ton of work on the WWIV 5.0 wiki. I'm a new helper on the crew, but digging into the History pages is something I could use help with. Feel free to share anecdotes or formal histories!
https://github.com/wwivbbs/wwiv/wiki/wwivnet
I would very much like to get on WWIVnet from my sync board via FTn.Nice to have additional interest. I figured if there was enough real interest,
:)
the plan would be for me to do something similar to how I receive Dovenet over here in WWIV. A mini-FTN network between myself and Gaylen Hintz. He
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