Was wondering how many BBS systems out there can display the ANSI properly on their side?

The first one I posted doesn't look correct - as I attempted to edit it on the BBS and obviously botched it.

The second one should be a clean non-edited one.

- Mark
  
--- WWIVToss v.1.51
* Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (46:1/263.0)

Was wondering how many BBS systems out there can display the ANSI properly on their side?

The first one I posted doesn't look correct - as I attempted to edit it on the BBS and obviously botched it.

The second one should be a clean non-edited one.

Neither one of them displayed properly over here on Synchronet. Which is odd, because I've seen ansi posted in messages before.

How are you trying to post it? By uploading it as text? Or copy/paste? or what?

Regards,
Nick

... Illiterate? Write Today for Free Help.
--- SBBSecho 2.27-Linux
* Origin: thePharcyde_ telnet://bbs.pharcyde.org (Wisconsin) (46:1/100)

How are you trying to post it? By uploading it as text? Or copy/paste? or what?

From within WWIV, I can do a //LOAD - which will load the text or ansi into memory. Then I just go to post a message and it automatically posts and saves it.

I'm curious to see if anyone else saw it properly. I'll also double check to make sure I'm not stripping ANSI over here.

- Mark

--- WWIVToss v.1.51
* Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (46:1/263.0)

On 06/30/15, Accession said the following...

Neither one of them displayed properly over here on Synchronet. Which is odd, because I've seen ansi posted in messages before.

Neither of them displayed correct here either. Here is a test /Upload {snip}{pipe}|03
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--- Mystic BBS v1.10 (Windows)
* Origin: fluph.darktech.org (46:1/102)

$ WEATHERMAN was quoted saying . . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Was wondering how many BBS systems out there can display the ANSI properly
on their side?

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FWIW, both just showed up as ANSI ESC codes/etc. here (Enthral).

I'm curious about this: Is there any sort of at least semi-standard to posting ANSI to message bases? I'm working on writing my own & would like to support ANSI display/edit at some point.

--- Enthral BBS v.635 (PI/2 Linux armv7l)
* Origin: haunting The chapel >>--> htc.zapto.org <--<< (46:1/140)

On 06/30/15, WEATHERMAN said the following...

Was wondering how many BBS systems out there can display the ANSI
properly on their side?

The first one I posted doesn't look correct - as I attempted to edit it
on the BBS and obviously botched it.

The second one should be a clean non-edited one.

They were all garbled over here.

"No matter where you go, there you are!" - Buckaroo Bonzai

--- Mystic BBS v1.10 (Linux)
* Origin: Cyberia BBS | Cyberia.Darktech.Org | Kingwood, TX (46:1/116)

$ NuSkooler was quoted saying . . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

FWIW, both just showed up as ANSI ESC codes/etc. here (Enthral).

I'm curious about this: Is there any sort of at least semi-standard to posting ANSI to message bases? I'm working on writing my own & would like
to support ANSI display/edit at some point.

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If you look closely, as least on this side ESC character was replaced with
^ character. I forget if i do that manually, so it's usually done locally or
a system inbetween might do it. I think i might parse out ESC sequences in messages becaue i wanted to add some filtering on possable harmful ones like keyboard remapping which could possiable affect terminals, not most telnet clients.

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--- Enthral BBS v.635 (PI/2 Linux armv7l)
* Origin: haunting The chapel >>--> htc.zapto.org <--<< (46:1/140)

On 06/30/15, WEATHERMAN pondered and said...

The second one should be a clean non-edited one.

Both looked funny to me and did not display correctly.

Best, Paul

--- Mystic BBS v1.10 (Windows)
* Origin: Agency BBS | telnet://agency.bbs.geek.nz (46:3/203)

♥9N>♥5 FWIW, both just showed up as ANSI ESC codes/etc. here (Enthral).♥0 ♥9N>♥5 ♥0
♥9N>♥5 I'm curious about this: Is there any sort of at least semi-standard to♥0 ♥9N>♥5 posting ANSI to message bases? I'm working on writing my own & would like♥0
♥9N>♥5 to support ANSI display/edit at some point.♥0

Ok, I think I know why this happened now.

Years ago I was having issues with how WWIVTOSS exported out messages to FTN networks using it's translation table. It seemed to drop characters and things
and instead of figuring it out, I just commented it out in the source.

It seems the translation table is needed for me to pass the ANSI to FTN networks. I'm going to do some work on this code and see if I can fix it.

Will have to post some test messages at some point in the test area to make sure I didn't re-break the exporting to FTN in WWIVTOSS.

Thanks.

- Mark

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♥9S>♥5 Neither of them displayed correct here either. Here is a test /Upload♥0

That looked perfect over here on WWIV. My second post looked correct here, but
apparently something happened when exporting.

Was the problem with the second one an issue with the total characters per line
or just pain didn't have ANSI?

- Mark

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$ NuSkooler was quoted saying . . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I'm curious about this: Is there any sort of at least semi-standard to posting ANSI to message bases? I'm working on writing my own & would like
to support ANSI display/edit at some point.

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I was kind of curious about this too. It seems a bit "dangerous" to allow any old terminal codes through, so you'd basically need to create your own
terminal emulator that translated between the posted message and the users actual terminal. I guess assuming ANSI codes isn't as big an issue as it once was, but with modern Unix/Linux systems, you can be smarter about it.

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From within WWIV, I can do a //LOAD - which will load the text or ansi into memory. Then I just go to post a message and it automatically posts and saves it.

I'm curious to see if anyone else saw it properly. I'll also double check to make sure I'm not stripping ANSI over here.

The reason I ask is because *some* ansi characters displayed okay, but the entire pictures were jumbled so bad I couldn't make them out at all. There were even some oddball characters in there like wierd looking stars and other things.

Regards,
Nick

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Neither of them displayed correct here either. Here is a test /Upload

This one displayed just fine from a Mystic system to Synchronet.

Regards,
Nick

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The reason I ask is because *some* ansi characters displayed okay, but the entire pictures were jumbled so bad I couldn't make them out at all. There were even some oddball characters in there like wierd looking stars and other things.

I wonder if it has something to do with the different line sizes or hard returns vs. soft returns on each line. It could just be particular to that ANSI.

I'd be curious to see if I could //LOAD a known ANSI that displays properly that someone else posted that worked.

- Mark

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$ Mercyful Fate was quoted saying . . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

If you look closely, as least on this side ESC character was replaced with
^ character. I forget if i do that manually, so it's usually done locally
or a system inbetween might do it. I think i might parse out ESC
sequences in messages becaue i wanted to add some filtering on possable harmful ones like keyboard remapping which could possiable affect
terminals, not most telnet clients.

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Just re-looked, you're right ^[...

I don't know if this is the correct line of thinking, but what I had planned
to do with import/export of messages on the base I'm working on was covert
ANSI -> Renegade style pipe codes.

I *think* they are more widely supported at least.

Converting the ANSI positioning stuff/etc. may be a pain, but it should be doable.

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$ OverEngineered was quoted saying . . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I was kind of curious about this too. It seems a bit "dangerous" to allow any old terminal codes through, so you'd basically need to create your own terminal emulator that translated between the posted message and the users actual terminal. I guess assuming ANSI codes isn't as big an issue as it once was, but with modern Unix/Linux systems, you can be smarter about it.

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Yeah I don't know how dangerous they are anymore, but people do access these systems from retro hardware/OS's like DOS.

I remember upping ANSI bombs to some boards when I was a dickish kid. :D

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on 06/30/15, WEATHERMAN said...

Was wondering how many BBS systems out there can display the ANSI
properly on their side?

softwares used to show right but then authors changed it to 78 colums for
some reason


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softwares used to show right but then authors changed it to 78 colums for some reason

So you saw it, but the columns were not correct?

If that is the case, maybe if I can find an ANSI that is like 50 or 60 characters long per line it would work.

- Mark

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on 07/06/15, WEATHERMAN said...

softwares used to show right but then authors changed it to 78 colums some reason

So you saw it, but the columns were not correct?

it's been that way for a few years now. shrug


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