• Re: Mystic BBS v1.10 Alpha 10 released!

    From WEATHERMAN@46:1/263 to Jack Phlash on Monday, April 11, 2016 15:38:14


    Yeah, I'm sure that had a lot to do with it. If someone wanted to run a
    BBS they were just going to grab what was in their local file areas - usually the same software as the host system was running, or some boring old stuff from an old Night Owl CDROM or something. For us, that was WWIV more often than not.

    I often did the file pulling from other states which in turn would keep my BBS line busy all the time. In the early days, I would dial out on our home line so I wouldn't busy out the BBS line all the time.

    Completely coincidentally, the guy who owns WWIV these days actually
    lives in that same city. The reason I say coincidentally is that he
    didn't live there/wasn't active in the BBS scene back when I was as far
    as I know. He moved to my local scene about the same time he acquired
    WWIV, and it was pretty much totally dead by then.

    Johnson City is where Trader Jack lives, but he does a good deal of traveling. We are still trying to re-connec with him so he can re-join WWIVnet since we moved to BinkP.

    There was a period of time when WWIVnet was basically dead. Eli Sanford was very dedicated and brought things back using what tools we had at the time. Basically re-created the network from scratch.

    We have progressed a great deal since then and are on the growing trend. Much different than it was just a few years ago.

    - Mark

    --- WWIVToss v.1.51
    * Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (46:1/263.0)
  • From Zero Reader@46:1/166 to jack phlash on Monday, April 11, 2016 10:46:17
    On 04/11/16, jack phlash said the following...

    I don't actually recall any of the WWIV boards around here being source modded (although I did nab up that sweet, sweet 4.24 source code early on.) They all did the same lame shit where they'd stick a random ACiD
    100 liner in their welcome screens and put a jive talkin language file

    Somewhere out there, is a zipped version of a modded 4.24 (I think) WWIV
    setup that was actually distributed as a BBS package under another name. 4.24 had just dropped and I basically grabbed all the new mods from WWIV over a course of a week or so, and added them into the source code. I tossed in a non-stock menu set, altered the color scheme, dropped in some decent anime
    ansi and ran it as a door off my Renegade board.

    Some dude called and checked it out and fell in love with it, so I gave it to him, and he apparently released it. lol... I hope that never comes back to light.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.11 (Raspberry Pi)
    * Origin: Alcoholiday / Est. 1995 / alco.bbs.io (46:1/166)
  • From Robert Wolfe@46:1/152 to Jack Phlash on Monday, April 11, 2016 10:19:28
    I've talked a lot about modding Wildcat! on Zeronet in the past so I won't ->beat a dead horse, but almost all the systems here were extremely stock. I ->did frequent one HEAVILY modded Wildcat! 4.20 LD system that forever changed ->my opinion on it. Cool stuff.

    :)

    Nice to see you are still in the BBS scene, jp :)

    Yeah, IMO, Wildcat! is one of the easier BBS packages to script/write mods
    for. Mainly because of it's VERY BASIC-like scripting language. :) One of
    the reasons I became a DoreNet node was to help spread the word about Wildcat! modding (guess there are more Mystic boards out there that are modded that Wildcat *smiles*).



    ...Justice: A decision in your favour.
    ---BapStats Module (bsDBASE v6.1 Build 1)

    * Origin: http://finathon.org/neptunes-lair-bbs - Help Save Our O (46:1/152)
  • From jack phlash@46:1/145 to Zero Reader on Tuesday, April 12, 2016 08:29:41
    on 04/11/16, Zero Reader said...

    Somewhere out there, is a zipped version of a modded 4.24 (I think) WWIV setup that was actually distributed as a BBS package under another name. 4.24 had just dropped and I basically grabbed all the new mods from WWIV over a course of a week or so, and added them into the source code. I tossed in a non-stock menu set, altered the color scheme, dropped in
    some decent anime ansi and ran it as a door off my Renegade board.

    Some dude called and checked it out and fell in love with it, so I gave
    it to him, and he apparently released it. lol... I hope that never comes back to light.

    Ha! That's awesome... I'd love to get my hands on that. What did you call it?

    |08j |15A C K |08p |15H L A S H |08!

    --- Mystic BBS v1.10 (Windows)
    * Origin: d i s t o r t i o n // d1st.org (46:1/145)
  • From jack phlash@46:1/145 to Robert Wolfe on Tuesday, April 12, 2016 08:38:19
    on 04/11/16, Robert Wolfe said...

    Yeah, IMO, Wildcat! is one of the easier BBS packages to script/write
    mods for. Mainly because of it's VERY BASIC-like scripting language. :) One of the reasons I became a DoreNet node was to help spread the word about Wildcat! modding (guess there are more Mystic boards out there
    that are modded that Wildcat *smiles*).

    People use what they're comfortable with most of the time, and the "forum
    hack" style underground packages are what most of us in the mid 90s US undeground scene really cut our teeth on - anything else feels like either a major step down in terms of features, or simply alien. Mystic is clearly influenced by a lot of those old software packages, from Telegard and
    Renegade to Oblivion/2 and Iniquity. Still, playing with Wildcat! was
    appealing due to everyone seeming to favor the same handful of software packages towards the late 90s, and the challenge of seeing how far you could push it in terms of modding. Synchronet had the same appeal to me (and a lot
    of others) when it first got revived.

    |08j |15A C K |08p |15H L A S H |08!

    --- Mystic BBS v1.10 (Windows)
    * Origin: d i s t o r t i o n // d1st.org (46:1/145)
  • From Zero Reader@46:1/166 to jack phlash on Tuesday, April 12, 2016 10:02:34
    On 04/12/16, jack phlash said the following...

    Ha! That's awesome... I'd love to get my hands on that. What did you
    call it?

    Man I can't remember what the guy who packaged it called it. I'll dig around and see if I have a backup of it anywhere. I'm sure it was something that sounded 3l33t3 and esoteric. Probably had lots of 'i's in it.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.11 (Raspberry Pi)
    * Origin: Alcoholiday / Est. 1995 / alco.bbs.io (46:1/166)
  • From jack phlash@46:1/145 to Zero Reader on Tuesday, April 12, 2016 13:58:32
    on 04/12/16, Zero Reader said...

    Man I can't remember what the guy who packaged it called it. I'll dig around and see if I have a backup of it anywhere. I'm sure it was something that sounded 3l33t3 and esoteric. Probably had lots of 'i's in it.

    Well, naturally... ;)

    |08j |15A C K |08p |15H L A S H |08!

    --- Mystic BBS v1.10 (Windows)
    * Origin: d i s t o r t i o n // d1st.org (46:1/145)
  • From Robert Wolfe@46:1/152 to Jack Phlash on Tuesday, April 12, 2016 12:22:34
    On 4/12/16 8:38 AM, jack phlash wrote:

    People use what they're comfortable with most of the time, and the "forum hack" style underground packages are what most of us in the mid 90s US undeground scene really cut our teeth on - anything else feels like either a major step down in terms of features, or simply alien. Mystic is clearly influenced by a lot of those old software packages, from Telegard and Renegade to Oblivion/2 and Iniquity. Still, playing with Wildcat! was appealing due to everyone seeming to favor the same handful of software packages towards the late 90s, and the challenge of seeing how far you could push it in terms of modding. Synchronet had the same appeal to me (and a lot of others) when it first got revived.

    This is true. I've got both WINServer and Wildcat! 4.2MP running as
    telnet systems and set up the latest OS X release of Mystic on my
    MacBook Pro as a point system (and made it telnetable as well once I
    found a decent set of instructions on how to set up port forwarding in pfSense.
    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.0pr5
    * Origin: http://finathon.org/neptunes-lair-bbs - Help Save Our O (46:1/152)
  • From nolageek@46:1/151 to Caphood on Thursday, April 07, 2016 23:34:38
    Re: Re: Mystic BBS v1.10 Alpha 10 released!
    By: Caphood to Zero Reader on Thu Apr 07 2016 03:51 pm

    WWIV was huge here (the author of WWIVtoss is local to me), and the
    majority of the boards in the 90s were WWIV. Those that weren't,
    were generally not very active.
    What? All the best active scene boards ran OBV/2 -Renegade - PCBoard - Iniquity - and others in the 90s. I never even logged onto a WWIV board in

    He probably meant locally. Almost all the boards in New Orleans were WWIV - with the exception of the large chat boards what were mostly MajorBBS, and probably some of the l33t boards which I wouldn't have had access to. I know I called a Vision/X board or two, but I remember thinking "there's nothing on this thing" - of course I probably didn't have much access. :)

    |01-|03nolageek
    --- SBBSecho 2.33-Win32
    * Origin: Capitol Shrill BBS - Washington, DC (46:1/151)
  • From nolageek@46:1/151 to Zero Reader on Saturday, April 09, 2016 14:17:33
    Re: Re: Mystic BBS v1.10 Alpha 10 released!
    By: Zero Reader to jack phlash on Fri Apr 08 2016 12:56 pm

    I always enjoyed modding WWIV until it functioned nothing like WWIV. Then I just decided to use Renegade... but there was something really badass about running something that looked "elite" and then revealing that it was WWIV.

    That was one of the things I loved about WWIV - I remember scouring the WWIVnet/IceNET mod subs and finding cool mods to add to my board. WWIV was the first software I ever registered - loved it.

    That's kind of what I like about a lot of the BBS software now - so much you can do to them to make them special if you have the time to put into learning it. For every 3 or 4 bone-stock synchronet boards there's at least a couple that make me think "THIS is synchronet?" - I've spent the last few weeks putting together a new command shell, taking bits and pieces and ideas from other software and mods. Finally got to the point where I could make it the default for all users. Hoping there's no issues. :)

    |01-|03nolageek
    --- SBBSecho 2.33-Win32
    * Origin: Capitol Shrill BBS - Washington, DC (46:1/151)
  • From Zero Reader@46:1/166 to nolageek on Saturday, April 16, 2016 14:44:25
    On 04/07/16, nolageek said the following...

    MajorBBS, and probably some of the l33t boards which I wouldn't have had access to. I know I called a Vision/X board or two, but I remember thinking "there's nothing on this thing" - of course I probably didn't have much access. :)

    More likely, the ViSiON-X had so many bugs in it, they couldn't do anything with it. I remember having a fascination with that software when I first got into the scene, but quickly discovered just about every other software was
    more stable, easier to configure, etc. I revisited it a few months back and made some Vision-X-style stat screens for DayDream, but never really ended up using them. Looking back at it, I couldn't figure out what the big deal was.

    Also, the VGA loader WFC screen said: "Vision-X, Simply Aamazing" ... yeah
    they didn't spell "amazing" properly. That always bugged me.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.11 (Raspberry Pi)
    * Origin: Alcoholiday / Est. 1995 / alco.bbs.io (46:1/166)
  • From jack phlash@46:1/145 to Zero Reader on Monday, April 18, 2016 21:04:38
    on 04/16/16, Zero Reader said...

    More likely, the ViSiON-X had so many bugs in it, they couldn't do anything with it. I remember having a fascination with that software
    when I first got into the scene, but quickly discovered just about every other software was more stable, easier to configure, etc. I revisited it
    a few months back and made some Vision-X-style stat screens for
    DayDream, but never really ended up using them. Looking back at it, I couldn't figure out what the big deal was.

    Also, the VGA loader WFC screen said: "Vision-X, Simply Aamazing" ...
    yeah they didn't spell "amazing" properly. That always bugged me.

    Ha! That sounds about right. Vision-X was one of the earliest scene softwares
    I tried. I only used it long enough to figure out some very basic modding before jumping ship. Cookie to who can guess what was next on the list? ;)

    |08j |15A C K |08p |15H L A S H |08!

    --- Mystic BBS v1.10 (Windows)
    * Origin: d i s t o r t i o n // d1st.org (46:1/145)
  • From NuSkooler@46:1/100 to jack phlash on Monday, April 18, 2016 20:53:17


    On 04/18/2016 9:04 pm jack phlash said...
    Ha! That sounds about right. Vision-X was one of the earliest scene softwares
    I tried. I only used it long enough to figure out some very basic modding before jumping ship. Cookie to who can guess what was next on the list? ;)

    Let's see... if you were using V/X, and are using Mystic now, I'd say you went to Obv/2. Possibly iNiQUiTY depending on time period.





    --- ENiGMA 1/2 v0.0.1-alpha (linux; x64; 4.4.1)
    * Origin: Xibalba ~ xibalba.l33t.codes:44510 (46:1/173)
  • From jack phlash@46:1/145 to NuSkooler on Tuesday, April 19, 2016 07:33:05
    on 04/18/16, NuSkooler said...

    Let's see... if you were using V/X, and are using Mystic now, I'd say
    you went to Obv/2. Possibly iNiQUiTY depending on time period.

    Perfecto. Oblivion/2... and for bonus points, yes, that wasn't too long
    before I finally discovered and dedicated myself to Iniquity.

    |08j |15A C K |08p |15H L A S H |08!

    --- Mystic BBS v1.10 (Windows)
    * Origin: d i s t o r t i o n // d1st.org (46:1/145)
  • From Zero Reader@46:1/166 to jack phlash on Tuesday, April 19, 2016 08:28:34
    On 04/19/16, jack phlash said the following...

    Perfecto. Oblivion/2... and for bonus points, yes, that wasn't too long before I finally discovered and dedicated myself to Iniquity.

    Dang, I thought you were going to say WWIV, hahahah!

    --- Mystic BBS v1.11 (Raspberry Pi)
    * Origin: Alcoholiday / Est. 1995 / alco.bbs.io (46:1/166)
  • From jack phlash@46:1/145 to Zero Reader on Tuesday, April 19, 2016 18:54:03
    on 04/19/16, Zero Reader said...

    Dang, I thought you were going to say WWIV, hahahah!

    Man, this whole thing was about how I started out on WWIV... :) Actually, I tried Synchronet (2.something) almost directly after setting up WWIV because a local board I used to frequent ran it and I always thought it was cool.

    |08j |15A C K |08p |15H L A S H |08!

    --- Mystic BBS v1.10 (Windows)
    * Origin: d i s t o r t i o n // d1st.org (46:1/145)
  • From NuSkooler@46:1/100 to jack phlash on Tuesday, April 19, 2016 21:39:24


    On 04/19/2016 7:33 am jack phlash said...
    Perfecto. Oblivion/2... and for bonus points, yes, that wasn't too long before I finally discovered and dedicated myself to Iniquity.

    If I remember right, I started out with WWIV for a very short period, then it was on to Obvlivion/2 for quite a while - modded like crazy (really wish I still had that!!). ...later on the uh... heat was on so I switched the Obv/2 to
    be a dummy board of sorts and via door dropped in to a S/X sub board for the elite members. Experimented a bit with dESiRE at the time too, but proper S/X was a bit more stable.

    One of my best friends at the time had a nice Inq setup. And I do remember quite a few Vision/X boards but I'm not sure how they managed to keep them running without issue hehe





    --- ENiGMA 1/2 v0.0.1-alpha (linux; x64; 4.4.1)
    * Origin: Xibalba ~ xibalba.l33t.codes:44510 (46:1/173)
  • From Zero Reader@46:1/166 to jack phlash on Wednesday, April 20, 2016 08:17:45
    On 04/19/16, jack phlash said the following...

    Man, this whole thing was about how I started out on WWIV... :)
    Actually, I tried Synchronet (2.something) almost directly after setting up WWIV because a local board I used to frequent ran it and I always thought it was cool.

    My first exposure to Synchronet was via the diskette that came with a copy of Boardwatch magazine. It's hard to believe there was actually a magazine dedicated to boards back then.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.11 (Raspberry Pi)
    * Origin: Alcoholiday / Est. 1995 / alco.bbs.io (46:1/166)
  • From g00r00@46:1/127 to Zero Reader on Wednesday, April 20, 2016 20:35:27
    My first exposure to Synchronet was via the diskette that came with a
    copy of Boardwatch magazine. It's hard to believe there was actually a magazine dedicated to boards back then.

    There wasn't even just one. There were at least 2 or 3 major publications that I can remember. Crazy!

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A11 (Windows)
    * Origin: Sector 7 [Mystic BBS WHQ] (46:1/127)
  • From Zero Reader@46:1/166 to g00r00 on Wednesday, April 20, 2016 21:28:34
    On 04/20/16, g00r00 said the following...

    There wasn't even just one. There were at least 2 or 3 major
    publications that I can remember. Crazy!

    I remember they had ads in there for "exotic" hardware like Digiboard modem cards with 8 ports. It was expensive to run a board in those times!

    --- Mystic BBS v1.11 (Raspberry Pi)
    * Origin: Alcoholiday / Est. 1995 / alco.bbs.io (46:1/166)
  • From jack phlash@46:1/145 to g00r00 on Thursday, April 21, 2016 10:27:41
    on 04/20/16, g00r00 said...

    There wasn't even just one. There were at least 2 or 3 major
    publications that I can remember. Crazy!

    Man, if only you had started on Mystic a little earlier all of that fame and fortune could have been yours... :)

    |08j |15A C K |08p |15H L A S H |08!

    --- Mystic BBS v1.10 (Windows)
    * Origin: d i s t o r t i o n // d1st.org (46:1/145)
  • From jack phlash@46:1/145 to Zero Reader on Thursday, April 21, 2016 10:33:25
    on 04/20/16, Zero Reader said...

    I remember they had ads in there for "exotic" hardware like Digiboard modem cards with 8 ports. It was expensive to run a board in those times!

    Ugh. I occasionally run into some of that old enterprise or otherwise exotic dial up hardware at my day job and it breaks my heart every time. I never
    even get to "reclaim" any of it because they're inevitably always missing
    half of their components - prioritary cables, dongles, breakout boxes, or the cards themselves. Not that I could/would use any of it these days anyway.

    |08j |15A C K |08p |15H L A S H |08!

    --- Mystic BBS v1.10 (Windows)
    * Origin: d i s t o r t i o n // d1st.org (46:1/145)
  • From g00r00@46:1/127 to jack phlash on Thursday, April 21, 2016 22:49:12
    Man, if only you had started on Mystic a little earlier all of that fame and fortune could have been yours... :)

    You might be right!

    If I were 5 years older/started 5 years earlier I probably could have made a good amount of money if I would have made it shareware. I doubt I would have done that though.

    I also sometimes wonder how things would have turned out had I been given the permission to continue development on Renegade, instead of whoever the hell Cott ended up passing it along to that never really did much with it.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A11 (Windows)
    * Origin: Sector 7 [Mystic BBS WHQ] (46:1/127)