• Re: Usenet-Next - A proposal to create a very strict NNTP networkwithno

    From Deavmi@46:1/107 to Deavmi on Sunday, November 20, 2016 19:39:05
    On 2016-11-20 07:07 PM, Deavmi wrote:
    On 2016-11-20 06:44 PM, Deavmi wrote:
    So, I was not born in the Usenet era and honestly would have like to had
    what they had - a standard protocol for communication. This exists today
    but guess what has happened to it, SPAM, SPAM and more SPAM.

    I want an NNTP network and I know many others do as well, I surely
    cannot be alone in a quest for a protocol which allows discussions on
    topics with any client you want to use. Therefore I want to create a new
    Usenet, in this proposal I shall refer to it as Usenet-Next as it needs
    a name that people can use to relate to this proposal.


    So how shall we make our network rid of spam. Well the thing is to be
    strict in both the user registration process and the server
    configurations and who our servers peer with. I am not well versed at
    all in NNTP but that is why I'd like to get you people to mail me
    (deavmi [at] disroot [dot] org) so we discuss the setup but also the
    rules for the network which will be very strict and lastly how these
    things are linked together.


    Remember, we are not migrating Usenet but creating our own network,
    Usenet-Next, therefore we will not have any relation to the Usenet
    network or community, the only relation we will have is making them
    aware of our new proposal and network.


    I would like to save the idea of a distributed network of servers
    tossing posts around to create a decentralized but common database of
    news - this is Usenet. I would greatly appreciate mail from anyone who
    would like to discuss this proposal and do some tests and setup the
    network. I would also like to note that I am not making myself the
    network king or anything, I just want to start the discussion.


    I am sorry for the spam I have caused. But spam is something that is
    useless, and this is not spam. I have contradicted myself there, sorry.
    I just felt that this is a matter of emergency. I don't want to resort
    to terrible centralized web forums, I love Usenet, even for the 2 days I
    have been using it but I could not come to terms with and accept the
    spam.


    Sincerely,
    Tristan B. Kildaire (Deavmi)

    So according to a Usenet user my approach of the walled garden is bad.
    Well, at least I started a discussion. I'd like suggestions then on how
    we could make this network but still be strict but open? D you see what
    I mean?
    Email from John:

    Well thank you Mr. Levine. I appreciate that. I just wished there was a
    way. I just think if we had a Usenet Comittee it would make a hell of a difference, so we can control which servers are peered and what not.
    Idk, sounds ike a heck of a lot of work anyway.

    On 2016-11-20 07:27 PM, Comp.compilers wrote:
    Do you have a suggestion for what to do? (No sarcasm intended, I am honestly asking)

    Live with it, I'm afraid. While I expect we could boot off some of
    the cruddier usenet servers, I don't think it'd make much difference
    since there's too many people who get phished and bad guys use their
    otherwise legitimate accounts.

    Regards,
    John Levine, comp.compilers moderator,
    johnl@iecc.com, http://compilers.iecc.com
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  • From Accession@46:1/100 to Deavmi on Sunday, November 20, 2016 11:41:46
    Hello Deavmi,

    On 20 Nov 16 19:39, Deavmi wrote to Deavmi:

    Email from John:

    One huge difference between FTN networks (Agoranet being one of them) is quoting what you're replying to. There is no need to quote the entire text of the original message, as is done quite a bit in newsgroups and email chains. This can become fairly long and annoying to others reading, or they'll just skip the entire message and not bother reading it at all.

    Most people on these FTN message networks are not using NNTP for access to them, but instead using BBS software and/or readers/editors that scroll line-by-line, so you can see why it would be a pain to read very long messages,
    unless they are actually intended to be that way.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Avon@46:3/203 to Accession on Monday, November 21, 2016 17:30:41
    On 11/20/16, Accession pondered and said...

    quoting what you're replying to. There is no need to quote the entire
    text of the original message, as is done quite a bit in newsgroups and email chains. This can become fairly long and annoying to others
    reading, or they'll just skip the entire message and not bother reading
    it at all.

    +1 to that :)

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