• Mystic Suggestion

    From metalhead@46:1/166 to g00r00 on Wednesday, November 23, 2016 22:50:08
    g00r00, I don't want to e-mail you, but check this out, and here's a chance
    to get other sysops' input on this concept:

    The main thing that people get out of a BBS is "Scanning for new messages." That's the best part of BBSing, in my opinion. Anyway, Suppose you're
    scanning for new messages, and you reach a message base where there are new messages - you will read/reply them, and at the end, it will ask you "Do you want to post a message in "BBS Discussion?" Yes/No <- That's awesome, because it gives the user a chance to think about it for a sec: "Hmm, yea, I'll post
    a new message in that base right now.."

    But what about all those other bases, that ARE toggled to "YES" in their scan settings, but they don't contain any new messages? It would be productive to prompt the user on each base, regardless of whether or not there are new messages in that base.

    Scanning "Agoranet: BBS Discussion" (No new messages)
    "Do you want to post a new message in "Agoranet: BBS Discussion?" Yes/No
    (NO)
    Scanning "Agoranet: Art Discussion" (No new messages)
    "Do you want to post a new message in "Agoranet: Art Discussion?" Yes/No
    (NO)
    Scanning "Agoranet: Cracking/Coding" (No new messages)
    "Do you want to post a new message in "Agoranet: Cracking/Coding?" Yes/No
    (NO)
    Scanning "Agoranet: Metallica Discussion" (No new messages)
    "Do you want to post a new message in "Agoranet: Metallica Discussion?" Yes/No (YES - Cuz you'd like to take this op to say how much they fucking suck)

    See what I mean? It encourages message posting. As an occasional sysop throughout the years, I've always been psyched about people posting messages
    on my BBS. It's what makes most of us tick (probably.)

    What do you think? You're god of the BBS software world. All other softwares can fuck off. Just a suggestion from one of your many fans.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Raspberry Pi)
    * Origin: Alcoholiday / Est. 1995 / alco.bbs.io (46:1/166)
  • From Accession@46:1/100 to metalhead on Wednesday, November 23, 2016 23:29:04
    Hello metalhead,

    On 23 Nov 16 22:50, metalhead wrote to g00r00:

    g00r00, I don't want to e-mail you, but check this out, and here's a chance to get other sysops' input on this concept:

    Emailing him may keep it logged a little longer. He's been on a hiatus for awhile now. Granted, this is also a good approach. :)

    But what about all those other bases, that ARE toggled to "YES" in
    their scan settings, but they don't contain any new messages? It would
    be productive to prompt the user on each base, regardless of whether
    or not there are new messages in that base.

    While that may be "productive", I don't think that should be a requirement in a
    newscan. When you newscan, you want to read the new messages. That is it. Adding the question after said base that you've read the new messages in is one
    thing, but adding to every single message base that didn't have new messages in
    doesn't really help one to get through a quick scan of new messages.

    However, when manually joining a new area and reading messages in said areas, then yes, it should always ask you if you want to post in that area (which I believe it does). Newscanning is meant to be a quick process to bypass the areas that don't have new messages in them. That's why there are other methods to read areas as well, and usually end with asking if you want to post there.

    See what I mean? It encourages message posting. As an occasional sysop throughout the years, I've always been psyched about people posting messages on my BBS. It's what makes most of us tick (probably.)

    While it might encourage posting, it defeats the purpose of a quick new message
    scan. If one were interested in posting in a certain area after reading it, then yes.. prompt them to post there. During a newscan, though.. which to some is an every day process.. asking them to post after every single area (some BBSs have over 200 message areas) can take an ungodly amount of time.

    Someone interested enough to start a conversation in an area they're interested
    in, will (and should) join the specific area, read old messages there, and get prompted to post something original. I guess the way it currently works has been around for so long I'm just used to it. But I definitely wouldn't want to be prompted to post in every single area on my system if there are no new messages posted. If I want to start a new post in a message area with no new messages, I would gladly do that manually.

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Не знаю. Я здесь только работаю."
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20160827
    * Origin: thePharcyde_ distribution system (Wisconsin) (46:1/100)
  • From Captain Obvious@46:1/120 to metalhead on Thursday, November 24, 2016 05:54:39
    On 11/23/16, metalhead said the following...

    scan settings, but they don't contain any new messages? It would be productive to prompt the user on each base, regardless of whether or not

    Maybe in an mpl, or as an option. Personally I wouldn't want it. Between Fidonet, Agoranet, Dornet, Usenet, other networks and a bunch of crap that hasn't been posted in since 2009 I have close to 800 message bases. Wouldn't want to prompt users for all of that <G>

    You could always implement a PCR instead or a contest for the top poster
    maybe if you have enough users.

    -=>Richard Miles<=-
    -=>Captain Obvious<=-
    -=>bbs.shadowscope.com<=-

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Windows)
    * Origin: Shadowscope BBS | bbs.shadowscope.com | Temple, GA (46:1/120)
  • From metalhead@46:1/166 to Accession on Thursday, November 24, 2016 17:23:10
    But I definitely wouldn't want to be prompted to post in every single

    It would definitely be a disruption to the classic newscan. It's kind of a
    rude way to get people to post more messages.

    Now that I think about it more clearly, if anyone wanted to do this, I'm sure it could be whipped together with an MPL script, somehow. I should have
    thought about that before throwing it at g00r00, like he's got nothing better to do! I will work on it on my own board & see how it feels.

    I appreciate the stuff that people are doing to encourage more message
    posting. People are adding new local message bases, which many of us have agreed that we like to see, and now we've got Reuters RSS feeds on Alcoholiday, which helps us think of topics to post about.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Raspberry Pi)
    * Origin: Alcoholiday / Est. 1995 / alco.bbs.io (46:1/166)
  • From metalhead@46:1/166 to Captain Obvious on Thursday, November 24, 2016 17:51:32
    Maybe in an mpl, or as an option. Personally I wouldn't want it. Between Fidonet, Agoranet, Dornet, Usenet, other networks and a bunch of crap
    that hasn't been posted in since 2009 I have close to 800 message bases.

    Good point. I have a bad habit of thinking that everyone operates the same
    way as me; it would be fine for me since I just have a few local message
    bases, but for people with dozens, or hundreds, it would be way to much of a pain to get through a newscan.

    You could always implement a PCR instead or a contest for the top poster maybe if you have enough users.

    It would be cool to see that. I haven't seen a PCR implemented since the old days.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Raspberry Pi)
    * Origin: Alcoholiday / Est. 1995 / alco.bbs.io (46:1/166)
  • From Zero Reader@46:1/166 to metalhead on Friday, November 25, 2016 02:20:11
    On 11/24/16, metalhead said the following...

    It would be cool to see that. I haven't seen a PCR implemented since the old days.

    I had this thing for Renegade BBS that I worked up that checked the user's
    PCR and if it was crappy, it would give them a bitchy message and then shunt them off to the message bases, bypassing the main menu. I'm sure it annoyed
    the crap out of people, but at least it got them thinking about posting
    before they went to leech warez.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Raspberry Pi)
    * Origin: Alcoholiday / Est. 1995 / alco.bbs.io (46:1/166)
  • From metalhead@46:1/166 to Zero Reader on Tuesday, November 29, 2016 00:19:20
    sure it annoyed the crap out of people, but at least it got them
    thinking about posting before they went to leech warez.

    That's a good trick! I wonder if it would work now, for people who are interested in art packs? (Warez are too much trouble, but you could still
    make the art packs something they have to work for!)

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Raspberry Pi)
    * Origin: Alcoholiday / Est. 1995 / alco.bbs.io (46:1/166)
  • From Accession@46:1/100 to metalhead on Tuesday, November 29, 2016 07:30:50
    Hello metalhead,

    On 29 Nov 16 00:19, metalhead wrote to Zero Reader:

    That's a good trick! I wonder if it would work now, for people who are interested in art packs? (Warez are too much trouble, but you could
    still make the art packs something they have to work for!)

    I'm sure it could be done on a very small scale. But more sysops would have to get involved with it at the same time. If I were to enforce a PC ratio for downloading artpacks here, someone would easily just see the message that they have to post a couple messages before they download, open up their FTP or web client and hit someone else's BBS (or hell, even any of the websites that offer
    up the entire artpack collection) for the same exact file. That part of things definitely isn't like it used to be, so you're probably better off just letting
    everything be free, but maybe just limiting how much can be downloaded at one time.. so they don't call once and leech your entire file base, and never call back.

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Не знаю. Я здесь только работаю."
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20160827
    * Origin: thePharcyde_ distribution system (Wisconsin) (46:1/100)
  • From Zero Reader@46:1/166 to metalhead on Tuesday, November 29, 2016 09:30:56
    On 11/29/16, metalhead said the following...

    That's a good trick! I wonder if it would work now, for people who are interested in art packs? (Warez are too much trouble, but you could still make the art packs something they have to work for!)


    Man, I intended to just "turn off" file sections altogether. I hadn't shown
    the file areas any love, but a few users here started uploading good stuff
    and basically created the file section for me. (Thanks Griskokare!)

    Every now and then we get some nice local discussion, but it's just me and a few other members. I think for local message bases to work, the sysop needs
    to be a willing participant, or have a user who loves to stir up discussions. You can't just make the bases and expect people to use them. And people need
    to call and support boards and contribute... something I'm guilty of not
    doing enough of!

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Raspberry Pi)
    * Origin: Alcoholiday / Est. 1995 / alco.bbs.io (46:1/166)
  • From metalhead@46:1/166 to Accession on Tuesday, November 29, 2016 20:32:05
    free, but maybe just limiting how much can be downloaded at one time..
    so they don't call once and leech your entire file base, and never call back.

    Now that I think of it that way, it would be only cool people who would leech art packs anyway.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Raspberry Pi)
    * Origin: Alcoholiday / Est. 1995 / alco.bbs.io (46:1/166)
  • From griskokare@46:1/104 to Zero Reader on Wednesday, December 07, 2016 19:09:52
    On 11/29/16, Zero Reader said the following...

    Man, I intended to just "turn off" file sections altogether. I hadn't shown the file areas any love, but a few users here started uploading
    good stuff and basically created the file section for me. (Thanks Griskokare!)

    I'm glad you didn't, because if you'd done that you couldn't have become an official impure distro board.

    I have tons of files. Well over a thousand and two hundred DVD+R:s, in fact. Just trying to provide what I can. It's no biggie for me. You're welcome. :)

    |08-- |15griskokare |08/ |11impure|07!|11ascii |031940

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Windows)
    * Origin: ACiD Telnet HQ / blackflag.acid.org (46:1/104)
  • From Necromaster@46:1/122 to griskokare on Wednesday, December 07, 2016 20:10:47

    I'm glad you didn't, because if you'd done that you couldn't have become an official impure distro board.

    How can my system become an official impure distro board? :)

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Windows)
    * Origin: Necronomicon BBS - necrobbs.strangled.net:27 (46:1/122)
  • From griskokare@46:1/104 to Necromaster on Thursday, December 08, 2016 14:22:58
    On 12/07/16, Necromaster said the following...

    How can my system become an official impure distro board? :)

    Get in touch with me outside of Agoranet and I'll go through the details.

    |08-- |15griskokare |08/ |11impure|07!|11ascii |031940

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Windows)
    * Origin: ACiD Telnet HQ / blackflag.acid.org (46:1/104)
  • From Zero Reader@46:1/166 to griskokare on Thursday, December 08, 2016 23:59:43
    On 12/07/16, griskokare said the following...

    I'm glad you didn't, because if you'd done that you couldn't have become an official impure distro board.

    I have tons of files. Well over a thousand and two hundred DVD+R:s, in fact. Just trying to provide what I can. It's no biggie for me. You're welcome. :)

    I like a smaller, more "curated" collection of files, like what you've been sending me. Being that my system runs on a small 8 GB memory card, I don't
    have a ton of space to host files! One day I need to move everything to a larger card. That was just an oversight on my part when I started playing
    with the Raspberry Pi.

    Funny to think when I started my first board back in the early 90s, that my
    500 meg hard drive was "large" and I had tons of files on the board, plus the games I played on my hard drive, Borland C++ and all the other crap you
    needed to hack source code, Norton utils, etc. Hehe

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Raspberry Pi)
    * Origin: Alcoholiday / Est. 1995 / alco.bbs.io (46:1/166)
  • From Accession@46:1/100 to Zero Reader on Friday, December 09, 2016 07:30:50
    Hello Zero,

    On 08 Dec 16 23:59, Zero Reader wrote to griskokare:

    I like a smaller, more "curated" collection of files, like what you've been sending me. Being that my system runs on a small 8 GB memory
    card, I don't have a ton of space to host files! One day I need to
    move everything to a larger card. That was just an oversight on my
    part when I started playing with the Raspberry Pi.

    FYI, I have two RPi3's here with 128gb SanDisk Ultra microSDXC cards and they work great. So as long as you get a supported microSD card, you can probably go
    all the way up to 256gb (though the price seems to jump a bit more of a ridiculous amount from 128 to 256, which is why I went for the smaller of the two).

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Не знаю. Я здесь только работаю."
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20160827
    * Origin: thePharcyde_ distribution system (Wisconsin) (46:1/100)
  • From Gryphon@46:1/116 to Zero Reader on Friday, December 09, 2016 09:01:16
    On 12/08/16, Zero Reader said the following...

    On 12/07/16, griskokare said the following...

    I'm glad you didn't, because if you'd done that you couldn't have bec an official impure distro board.

    I have tons of files. Well over a thousand and two hundred DVD+R:s, i fact. Just trying to provide what I can. It's no biggie for me. You'r welcome. :)

    I like a smaller, more "curated" collection of files, like what you've been sending me. Being that my system runs on a small 8 GB memory card,
    I don't have a ton of space to host files! One day I need to move everything to a larger card. That was just an oversight on my part when
    I started playing with the Raspberry Pi.

    Why don't you just add a large thumb drive and let that be your files
    section. I mount an 8gb thumb drive as my "backup" file system drive. I then backup my BBS directory to it. The same thing can work for file storage.

    "No matter where you go, there you are!" - Buckaroo Bonzai

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Raspberry Pi)
    * Origin: Cyberia BBS | Cyberia.Darktech.Org | Kingwood, TX (46:1/116)
  • From Accession@46:1/100 to Gryphon on Friday, December 09, 2016 09:15:52
    Hello Gryphon,

    On 09 Dec 16 09:01, Gryphon wrote to Zero Reader:

    I like a smaller, more "curated" collection of files, like what
    you've been sending me. Being that my system runs on a small 8 GB
    memory card, I don't have a ton of space to host files! One day I
    need to move everything to a larger card. That was just an
    oversight on my part when I started playing with the Raspberry
    Pi.

    Why don't you just add a large thumb drive and let that be your files section. I mount an 8gb thumb drive as my "backup" file system drive.
    I then backup my BBS directory to it. The same thing can work for file storage.

    Good point. I completely forgot about this. My second Pi3 is a plex server, and
    I connected a 1TB USB external Seagate hard drive to it which stores our collection. Works great.

    So in that case, nothing would need to be done on his end except plugging in a USB drive for more storage. No need to re-do everything. Keep the OS and server(s) on the microSD, and use another means for file storage.

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Не знаю. Я здесь только работаю."
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20160827
    * Origin: thePharcyde_ distribution system (Wisconsin) (46:1/100)
  • From griskokare@46:1/104 to Zero Reader on Friday, December 09, 2016 10:21:11
    On 12/08/16, Zero Reader said the following...

    I like a smaller, more "curated" collection of files, like what you've been sending me. Being that my system runs on a small 8 GB memory card,
    I don't have a ton of space to host files! One day I need to move everything to a larger card. That was just an oversight on my part when
    I started playing with the Raspberry Pi.

    Funny to think when I started my first board back in the early 90s, that my 500 meg hard drive was "large" and I had tons of files on the board, plus the games I played on my hard drive, Borland C++ and all the other crap you needed to hack source code, Norton utils, etc. Hehe

    Yeah. Haha. Times change. I'm not going to dump off all of it on your board,
    I make sure the uploads are relevant and of quality, of course. :)

    |08-- |15griskokare |08/ |11impure|07!|11ascii |031940

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Windows)
    * Origin: ACiD Telnet HQ / blackflag.acid.org (46:1/104)
  • From Zero Reader@46:1/166 to Accession on Friday, December 09, 2016 09:28:40
    On 12/09/16, Accession said the following...


    FYI, I have two RPi3's here with 128gb SanDisk Ultra microSDXC cards and they work great. So as long as you get a supported microSD card, you can probably go all the way up to 256gb (though the price seems to jump a

    I need to figure out a good way to move from the 8 gig card to something larger. Do you think it would be as simple as using an imaging util to create an image of the smaller card, then image that to a larger card and use Raspi Config to "expand the file system" ... Maybe I need to google this or ask the guys over at PiNet.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Raspberry Pi)
    * Origin: Alcoholiday / Est. 1995 / alco.bbs.io (46:1/166)
  • From Accession@46:1/100 to Zero Reader on Friday, December 09, 2016 11:04:06
    Hello Zero,

    On 09 Dec 16 09:28, Zero Reader wrote to Accession:

    FYI, I have two RPi3's here with 128gb SanDisk Ultra microSDXC
    cards and they work great. So as long as you get a supported
    microSD card, you can probably go all the way up to 256gb (though
    the price seems to jump a

    I need to figure out a good way to move from the 8 gig card to
    something larger. Do you think it would be as simple as using an
    imaging util to create an image of the smaller card, then image that
    to a larger card and use Raspi Config to "expand the file system" ... Maybe I need to google this or ask the guys over at PiNet.

    Or as I mentioned in another message, an external USB hard drive would be a good place for storage.

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Не знаю. Я здесь только работаю."
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20160827
    * Origin: thePharcyde_ distribution system (Wisconsin) (46:1/100)
  • From Zero Reader@46:1/166 to Gryphon on Friday, December 09, 2016 13:05:33
    On 12/09/16, Gryphon said the following...

    Why don't you just add a large thumb drive and let that be your files section. I mount an 8gb thumb drive as my "backup" file system drive.
    I then backup my BBS directory to it. The same thing can work for file storage.

    Eh yeah, I suppose that would work also! I like the idea of using it for the backup job as well.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Raspberry Pi)
    * Origin: Alcoholiday / Est. 1995 / alco.bbs.io (46:1/166)
  • From Gryphon@46:1/116 to Accession on Friday, December 09, 2016 15:17:57
    On 12/09/16, Accession said the following...

    Hello Gryphon,

    On 09 Dec 16 09:01, Gryphon wrote to Zero Reader:

    I like a smaller, more "curated" collection of files, like what
    you've been sending me. Being that my system runs on a small 8 GB
    memory card, I don't have a ton of space to host files! One day I
    need to move everything to a larger card. That was just an
    oversight on my part when I started playing with the Raspberry
    Pi.

    Why don't you just add a large thumb drive and let that be your files section. I mount an 8gb thumb drive as my "backup" file system drive I then backup my BBS directory to it. The same thing can work for fil storage.

    Good point. I completely forgot about this. My second Pi3 is a plex server, and I connected a 1TB USB external Seagate hard drive to it
    which stores our collection. Works great.

    So in that case, nothing would need to be done on his end except
    plugging in a USB drive for more storage. No need to re-do everything. Keep the OS and server(s) on the microSD, and use another means for file storage.

    Exactly. And for what it's worth, it could be increased by adding a powered USB hub and adding as many drives as the hub will hold. I only suggest the powered hub because I know that there are only so many USB ports on a PI.

    "No matter where you go, there you are!" - Buckaroo Bonzai

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Raspberry Pi)
    * Origin: Cyberia BBS | Cyberia.Darktech.Org | Kingwood, TX (46:1/116)
  • From Gryphon@46:1/116 to Zero Reader on Friday, December 09, 2016 15:19:17
    On 12/09/16, Zero Reader said the following...

    On 12/09/16, Accession said the following...


    FYI, I have two RPi3's here with 128gb SanDisk Ultra microSDXC cards they work great. So as long as you get a supported microSD card, you probably go all the way up to 256gb (though the price seems to jump a

    I need to figure out a good way to move from the 8 gig card to something larger. Do you think it would be as simple as using an imaging util to create an image of the smaller card, then image that to a larger card
    and use Raspi Config to "expand the file system" ... Maybe I need to google this or ask the guys over at PiNet.

    How hard would it be to experiment? If it fails, you've lost nothing.
    You'll still have the original drive.

    "No matter where you go, there you are!" - Buckaroo Bonzai

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Raspberry Pi)
    * Origin: Cyberia BBS | Cyberia.Darktech.Org | Kingwood, TX (46:1/116)
  • From metalhead@46:1/166 to Zero Reader on Saturday, December 10, 2016 01:28:04
    my 500 meg hard drive was "large" and I had tons of files on the board,

    Holy fuck dude! Where'd you get the money for such a huge HD? LOL

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Raspberry Pi)
    * Origin: Alcoholiday / Est. 1995 / alco.bbs.io (46:1/166)
  • From Zero Reader@46:1/166 to metalhead on Saturday, December 10, 2016 10:37:30
    On 12/10/16, metalhead said the following...

    my 500 meg hard drive was "large" and I had tons of files on the boar

    Holy fuck dude! Where'd you get the money for such a huge HD? LOL

    Hahahah I don't remember. I also had a Conner tape backup drive too! That was some high-tech shit.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Raspberry Pi)
    * Origin: Alcoholiday / Est. 1995 / alco.bbs.io (46:1/166)