• Re: Do you think we're alone in the universe?

    From g00r00@46:1/127 to Nightfox on Sat Jul 15 13:53:33 2017
    The subject line basically says it. Do you think we're alone in the universe? Like many people, it's something I've always wondered about.

    I absolutely think there is life outside of our planet. Its almost mathematically impossible for there not to be, given the nearly infinite size of the universe and the number of planets we've already found that have life-sustaining properties (there are several in just our own solar system).

    Thats only life as *we* know it, and we don't know much about anything yet.

    If extraterrestrials have been here, sometimes I'm not sure why some of them wouldn't want to make themselves widely known to us. But at the
    same time, I can see why they might want to stay hidden from us.

    Okay, this will be possibly long I hope some will read it! :)

    The reason I don't buy into UFOs (besides most of them being obvious scams) is that any civilization that is *that* advanced will probably have little interest in us. Its arrogant of us to think of ourselves as intelligent or even significant in the scope of the entire Universe. We're the equivalent of "ants" in comparison to an advanced civilization. And we're not ready...

    Our overall lack of empathy and cooperation amongst our own species puts us on a path of self-destruction, not one that leads us to advancements that we need to become inhabitants of our universe. We can't even treat women or people with different skin color as equals, and we fight amongst each other over fake boundaries and other imaginary bullshit, instead of working together to advance as a species...

    We couldn't handle interaction with an advanced civilization; We can't even handle interaction with the black guy across the street, or a political opponent across the room. As a species we're weak minded.

    Its more likely that we're going to either wipe ourselves out over political bullshit and nukes, or a giant meteor is going to hit us to wipe us out, or we just run out of resources. Why? Because instead of working together as a species to create advancements in technology to protect ourselves from that meteor, we're too busy fighting over whether or not women should be allowed to wear sleeveless dresses.

    Anyway... The point is...

    We have to prove we can evolve as a species and work together to MAKE ourselves a species of the universe. And until we do, contacting us would probably be considered immoral and even dangerous by a more advanced species...

    Just like we don't want nukes in the hands of North Korea, aliens don't want their technology in the hands of a low class species who've chosen to divide themselves rather than embrace and conquer the unknown. Nor do they want to influence the "sink or swim" aspect of a species' survival.

    We have to earn our place. We are at a point in our history where we either sink or swim; kill ourselves, be killed, or work as a species to survive as one. Right now we're just another "dime a dozen" species on a random planet that is most likely going to be wiped out either by themselves or their lack of innovation... We're unintelligent ants.

    Only when we prove we can overcome challenges and evolve into a species that is capable of inhabiting the space of our own Galaxy will we be ready and worthy of contact from a more advanced civilization. Until then we're off their radar.

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  • From Nightfox to g00r00 on Sat Jul 15 12:11:21 2017
    Re: Re: Do you think we're alone in the universe?
    By: g00r00 to Nightfox on Sat Jul 15 2017 01:53 pm

    I absolutely think there is life outside of our planet. Its almost mathematically impossible for there not to be, given the nearly infinite size of the universe and the number of planets we've already found that have life-sustaining properties (there are several in just our own solar system).

    Although a few planets in our solar system have some life-sustaining properties, it might still be difficult to sustain life on them. It seems Earth is the only planet within the habitable zone of our solar system: http://bit.ly/2uvd9sI
    Venus and Mercury are probably too hot, and Mars and the others are probably too cold overall. I suppose it might be possible to live on Mars with climate-controlled shelters & such - however, that kind of technology would require a power system that is 100% reliable.. If it shuts down for too long, then we'd be screwed.

    Thats only life as *we* know it, and we don't know much about anything yet.

    That's true.. It seems scientists have been searching for life similar to us, but life may well exist in another form somewhere else.

    Okay, this will be possibly long I hope some will read it! :)

    The reason I don't buy into UFOs (besides most of them being obvious scams) is that any civilization that is *that* advanced will probably have little interest in us. Its arrogant of us to think of ourselves as intelligent or even significant in the scope of the entire Universe. We're the equivalent of "ants" in comparison to an advanced civilization. And we're not ready...

    Just like we don't want nukes in the hands of North Korea, aliens don't want their technology in the hands of a low class species who've chosen to divide themselves rather than embrace and conquer the unknown. Nor do they want to influence the "sink or swim" aspect of a species' survival.

    Overall I agree.. I've heard one theory, though, that the reason there have been a lot more UFO reports since the mid-1940s is due to our development of nuclear weapons - I've heard aliens might be concerned about our development of those weapons, due to our relatively immature and confrontational nature.
    They may want to observe us, and perhaps even intervene if something goes horribly wrong, so it doesn't negatively affect something outside our planet or solar system (a sort of butterfly effect type of thing, I suppose).

    Overall I agree though. If the universe is full of intelligent life, we are probably a dime a dozen, as you say, and they probably wouldn't be very interested in us.

    Nightfox
  • From prometheus@46:1/166 to g00r00 on Sun Jul 16 21:35:04 2017
    Only when we prove we can overcome challenges and evolve into a species that is capable of inhabiting the space of our own Galaxy will we be
    ready and worthy of contact from a more advanced civilization. Until
    then we're off their radar.


    bravo! You just put into words everything I've been saying/thinking for
    years.

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  • From Orbitman@46:1/138 to prometheus on Sun Jul 16 21:45:08 2017
    On 07/16/17, prometheus said the following...

    Only when we prove we can overcome challenges and evolve into a speci that is capable of inhabiting the space of our own Galaxy will we be ready and worthy of contact from a more advanced civilization. Until then we're off their radar.


    bravo! You just put into words everything I've been saying/thinking for years.

    I'll add my "bravo!" too.

    Thanks!
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  • From jack phlash@46:1/145 to g00r00 on Mon Jul 17 11:04:01 2017
    on 07/15/17, g00r00 said...

    Only when we prove we can overcome challenges and evolve into a species that is capable of inhabiting the space of our own Galaxy will we be
    ready and worthy of contact from a more advanced civilization. Until
    then we're off their radar.

    Well said, I totally agree. The one point I would add is that we need to
    evolve as a species *regardless* of what may or may not be out there. It frustrates me that, looking at our history of science, philosophy, art, technology, it's obvious that we're capable of so much more than all of the time and energy we waste on self-destructive, petty conflict and selfishness. We just need to collectively get our shit together.

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  • From Hawk Hubbard@46:1/204 to jack phlash on Mon Jul 17 11:59:45 2017
    selfishness. We just need to collectively get our shit together.
    j A C K p H L A S H !

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  • From Nightfox to jack phlash on Mon Jul 17 13:20:27 2017
    Re: Do you think we're alone in the universe?
    By: jack phlash to g00r00 on Mon Jul 17 2017 11:04 am

    Well said, I totally agree. The one point I would add is that we need to evolve as a species *regardless* of what may or may not be out there. It frustrates me that, looking at our history of science, philosophy, art, technology, it's obvious that we're capable of so much more than all of the time and energy we waste on self-destructive, petty conflict and selfishness. We just need to collectively get our shit together.

    I agree. But I've also thought that even if we evolve beyond that, there will probably still be disagreements, which could lead to arguments and more of the same.. I've also thought that as long as there will be separate countries, there will probably still continue to be wars. I hope that's not true though..

    Nightfox
  • From Bryan Handfield@46:1/164 to Nightfox on Sat Jul 15 20:59:00 2017
    -=[ On 07-14-17 17:07, Nightfox wrote to All below: ]=-
    -=[ Re: Do you think we're alone in the universe? ]=-

    Hi Nightfox!

    The subject line basically says it. Do you think we're alone in the universe? Like many people, it's something I've always wondered about.
    I don't subscribe to secular schools of thought. I do not believe there are flesh and blood aliens but demonic manifestations.

    One day all of our questions will be answered and the truth shall set us free indeed! :)

    Cheers,
    Bryan
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  • From jack phlash@46:1/145 to Hawk Hubbard on Tue Jul 18 10:48:57 2017
    on 07/17/17, Hawk Hubbard said...

    I have my shit together - Everyone follow me!

    Hawk Hubbard for supreme emperor of the world!

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  • From Nightfox to Bryan Handfield on Tue Jul 18 09:16:43 2017
    Re: Re: Do you think we're alone in the universe?
    By: Bryan Handfield to Nightfox on Sat Jul 15 2017 08:59 pm

    The subject line basically says it. Do you think we're alone in the
    universe? Like many people, it's something I've always wondered
    about.

    I don't subscribe to secular schools of thought. I do not believe there are flesh and blood aliens but demonic manifestations.

    I just think that if life developed on our planet, I think it's certainly possible that flesh-and-blood life could have developed on other planets, if the conditions are right..

    Nightfox
  • From Bryan Handfield@46:1/164 to Nightfox on Wed Jul 19 21:41:00 2017
    -=[ On 07-18-17 09:16, Nightfox wrote to Bryan Handfield below: ]=-
    -=[ Re: Re: Do you think we're alone in the universe? ]=-

    Hi Nightfox!

    I don't subscribe to secular schools of thought. I do not believe there are flesh and blood aliens but demonic manifestations.
    I just think that if life developed on our planet, I think it's
    certainly possible that flesh-and-blood life could have developed on
    other planets, if the conditions are right..
    If the conditions are right.. seems like even then the conditions have to line up perfectly for intelligent life to come forth. Given the apparent chaotic universe, then every planet that has intelligent life must be very *to infinity* lucky.

    Just my $0.02 worth :)


    Cheers,
    Bryan
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  • From Nightfox to Bryan Handfield on Sun Jul 23 18:13:17 2017
    Re: Re: Do you think we're alone in the universe?
    By: Bryan Handfield to Nightfox on Wed Jul 19 2017 09:41 pm

    certainly possible that flesh-and-blood life could have developed on
    other planets, if the conditions are right..

    If the conditions are right.. seems like even then the conditions have to line up perfectly for intelligent life to come forth. Given the apparent chaotic universe, then every planet that has intelligent life must be very *to infinity* lucky.

    I've heard astronomers keep finding more and more planets in the habitable zone around their suns.. But yeah, there's certainly more than that needed for life to develop - but what actually sparks life, I think, is still somewhat unknown.

    Nightfox
  • From Robert Wolfe@46:1/152 to Nightfox on Sun Jul 30 21:37:00 2017
    * In a message originally to Hawk Hubbard, Nightfox said:

    Diseases? Well, yeah, I suppose a life form that hasn't been exposed to our
    viruses and bacteria might be more susceptible to the diseases on this planet..

    who's to say those same beings are not the ones responsible for
    putting those viruses and bacteria on our planet to begin with? at
    least that is what part of the ancient astronaut theory states. but,
    i am not going to open up that can of worms :)

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  • From Darkwing@46:1/140 to Nightfox on Sun Jul 30 19:50:26 2017
    $ Nightfox was quoted saying . . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    I've heard astronomers keep finding more and more planets in the habitable zone around their suns.. But yeah, there's certainly more than that
    needed for life to develop - but what actually sparks life, I think, is
    still somewhat unknown.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    would be sweet to see some life from another planet. alien kitties...
    so cuddly and yet so foreign!

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  • From g00r00@46:1/127 to Nightfox on Thu Aug 24 00:34:24 2017
    Although a few planets in our solar system have some life-sustaining properties, it might still be difficult to sustain life on them. It

    I was thinking more along the lines of some of the moons like Enceladus,
    Titan, Europa, as far as our solar system goes. But we're just one solar system of almost an infinite number!

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  • From Nightfox to g00r00 on Fri Aug 25 09:29:11 2017
    Re: Re: Do you think we're alone in the universe?
    By: g00r00 to Nightfox on Thu Aug 24 2017 12:34 am

    I was thinking more along the lines of some of the moons like Enceladus, Titan, Europa, as far as our solar system goes. But we're just one solar system of almost an infinite number!

    I've heard some of the moons in our solar system might support life. And I agree, we're just one solar system of many. Astronomers keep discovering more and more planets and solar systems, so it seems we're getting closer all the time to potentially confirming there is extraterrestrial life.

    Nightfox
  • From Robert Wolfe@46:1/152 to Nightfox on Sun Aug 27 08:02:00 2017
    ■ Quoting message from Nightfox to g00r00
    ■ [09:29 at 25-Aug-17]

    I've heard some of the moons in our solar system might support life. And I agree, we're just one solar system of many. Astronomers keep discovering more
    and more planets and solar systems, so it seems we're getting closer all the time to potentially confirming there is extraterrestrial life.

    And I think that the more technology advances, the more of a chance we will learn that we are indeed not alone in our great big universe.

    Best regards, Robert.

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