• Re: Lets start the show

    From Nightfox to Deadfwd on Fri Jul 21 12:40:21 2017
    Re: Re: Lets start the show
    By: Nightfox to Deadfwd on Fri Jul 21 2017 09:25 am

    I should mention the plane needs to declinate, else it flys into
    space, earth being a 'ball' and all.

    Why a level on a plane doesn't show curvature corrections: http://bit.ly/2uQhF4X

    Gravity also plays a part. What I think happens is that gravity is constantly pulling down on the airplane - I don't think an airplane is going to naturally fly in a perfectly straight path. Gravity helps keep it toward the earth.

    Nightfox
  • From tenser@46:1/104 to Deadfwd on Fri Jul 21 15:35:18 2017
    On 07/21/17, Deadfwd said the following...

    a mile every five minutes, which no plane does. Take a level if you want proof or go youtube it to see people doing SCIENCE and proving there is
    no declination. This is just one of hundreds of experiments that anyone can do. As opposed to the globe where its all second hand knowledge
    (i.e. told from birth)

    I saw that video. There were lots of things wrong with this "experiment", not least of which that he could have simply looked out the window and seen the curvature of the earth.

    This absurd "argument" that the earth is flat is exactly what's wrong with people these days. People who neither understand nor appreciate "science" perform some ill-conceived "experiment" to demonstrate their pet theory and ignore most crucial element of the experimental method: falsifiability. Then they blabber on the Internet or BBSes or whatever about how everyone else is wrong and they're right and find other idiots like themselves and feel vindicated.

    What tripe.

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  • From Nightfox to tenser on Fri Jul 21 13:25:38 2017
    Re: Re: Lets start the show
    By: tenser to Deadfwd on Fri Jul 21 2017 03:35 pm

    This absurd "argument" that the earth is flat is exactly what's wrong with people these days. People who neither understand nor appreciate "science" perform some ill-conceived "experiment" to demonstrate their pet theory and ignore most crucial element of the experimental method: falsifiability. Then they blabber on the Internet or BBSes or whatever about how everyone else is wrong and they're right and find other idiots like themselves and feel vindicated.

    What tripe.

    Agreed. This flat earth stuff has even been in the news media recently: Rapper BoB tweeting about it and getting into an argument with Neil DeGrasse Tyson about it.. And I was recently reading about a flat earth group in Colorado that's gaining membership. Do we really have that many people who don't understand or appreciate science? What gets me is that they often argue that NASA's photos from space are all faked (or at least can't be trusted) and there's some global conspiracy to promte a spherical earth when it's really flat. I have a hard time believing the governments of the world could all agree to do that and coordinate that well enough. Someone would probably eventually leak something. And I don't think NASA's photos are faked. We've had plenty astronauts go into Earth orbit and work on the space station. NASA even has a live video feed from the international space station, and you can see the curvature of the earth.

    Nightfox
  • From Deadfwd@46:1/181 to Nightfox on Fri Jul 21 15:09:09 2017
    Okay, we could go on for days. To answer most of your questions posed by the feedback I would suggest reading Zetetic Astronomy if you ever get the chance. Just ignore the last chapter, he goes off the rails a tad. However, a lot of great experiments that still hold their own salt. Thanks for your input. :-)

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  • From Accession@46:1/100 to Deadfwd on Fri Jul 21 16:26:30 2017
    Hello Deadfwd,

    On Fri Jul 21 2017 09:24:10, Deadfwd wrote to Nightfox:

    A very simple experiment is simple flight. A plane going 500mph would travel 41.66 miles in five minutes. If we calculate the earths curve
    with the well established formula of 8in per mile squared we get (41.66*41.66)* 8=13,884in = 1157ft. Knowing this that means for every
    five minutes of flying you would NEED to declinate almost one quarter
    of a mile every five minutes, which no plane does. Take a level if you want proof or go youtube it to see people doing SCIENCE and proving
    there is no declination. This is just one of hundreds of experiments
    that anyone can do. As opposed to the globe where its all second hand knowledge (i.e. told from birth)

    Planes hold a certain altitudes all the time. They incline or decline based on weather, where they are, other planes in the area, etc. You always notice it going up and down.

    Anyhow.. best experiment.. what happens if you were to get in a plane and continue to fly east (or west/north/south) and eventually end up where you started?

    Did you by chance go off the end of the flat earth where it just so happens to begin again where you left off? Where does that happen, exactly? Somewhere in Siberia where no one is there to witness it?

    Does that mean the moon and sun are flat too? Or are they just funny pictures in the sky that someone is controlling?

    Sorry, I see anything possible that would support that the earth is flat. ;)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Accession@46:1/100 to Deadfwd on Fri Jul 21 16:34:22 2017
    Hello Deadfwd,

    On Fri Jul 21 2017 09:25:00, Deadfwd wrote to Deadfwd:

    I should mention the plane needs to declinate, else it flys into
    space, earth being a 'ball' and all.

    Gravity and holding altitudes dude. Planes don't have enough power to get through the outer atmosphere, let alone into space. Otherwise it would have been done already.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Accession@46:1/100 to Nightfox on Fri Jul 21 16:38:14 2017
    Hello Nightfox,

    On Fri Jul 21 2017 09:24:26, Nightfox wrote to Deadfwd:

    I have a feeling such an experiment with a level on an airplane to
    prove flatness is probably done with an incomplete understanding or misunderstanding of the science involved. A bit of debunking that methodology:
    http://bit.ly/2uQhF4X

    As far as I've ever seen, an airplane is usually pitched upward whether taking off or landing. The only time a plane pitches downward is when it's crashing. ;)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Nightfox to Accession on Fri Jul 21 15:47:20 2017
    Re: Lets start the show
    By: Accession to Deadfwd on Fri Jul 21 2017 04:26 pm

    Sorry, I see anything possible that would support that the earth is flat. ;)

    Not sure if you left out the word "don't" (as in you don't see anything possible)?

    Nightfox
  • From Nightfox to Accession on Fri Jul 21 15:49:00 2017
    Re: Lets start the show
    By: Accession to Nightfox on Fri Jul 21 2017 04:38 pm

    I have a feeling such an experiment with a level on an airplane to
    prove flatness is probably done with an incomplete understanding or
    misunderstanding of the science involved. A bit of debunking that
    methodology:
    http://bit.ly/2uQhF4X

    As far as I've ever seen, an airplane is usually pitched upward whether taking off or landing. The only time a plane pitches downward is when it's crashing. ;)

    :) Yeah, I think any adjustment due to the curvature of the earth would be too small to notice, particularly since it would be to match the surface.

    Nightfox
  • From tenser@46:1/104 to Nightfox on Fri Jul 21 21:55:47 2017
    On 07/21/17, Nightfox said the following...

    What tripe.

    Agreed. This flat earth stuff has even been in the news media recently: Rapper BoB tweeting about it and getting into an argument with Neil DeGrasse Tyson about it.. And I was recently reading about a flat earth group in Colorado that's gaining membership. Do we really have that
    many people who don't understand or appreciate science? What gets me is that they often argue that NASA's photos from space are all faked (or at least can't be trusted) and there's some global conspiracy to promte a spherical earth when it's really flat. I have a hard time believing the governments of the world could all agree to do that and coordinate that well enough. Someone would probably eventually leak something. And I don't think NASA's photos are faked. We've had plenty astronauts go
    into Earth orbit and work on the space station. NASA even has a live video feed from the international space station, and you can see the curvature of the earth.

    For that matter, anyone with a few dollars can launch a balloon with a camera attached to it and a small tracker that will get up to about 100,000 feet or
    so and take pictures of the earth's curvature. Then you go get it and look
    for themselves. Really don't trust anyone else? Then do it oneself!

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  • From Accession@46:1/100 to Nightfox on Fri Jul 21 21:06:26 2017
    Hello Nightfox,

    On Fri Jul 21 2017 15:47:20, Nightfox wrote to Accession:

    Sorry, I see anything possible that would support that the earth
    is flat. ;)

    Not sure if you left out the word "don't" (as in you don't see
    anything possible)?

    Yes, don't was supposed to be there. I had edited that sentence in the original
    message and must have deleted an extra word. Sorry if that confused you. ;)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Accession@46:1/100 to Nightfox on Fri Jul 21 21:08:46 2017
    Hello Nightfox,

    On Fri Jul 21 2017 15:49:00, Nightfox wrote to Accession:

    :) Yeah, I think any adjustment due to the curvature of the earth
    would be too small to notice, particularly since it would be to match
    the surface.

    Precisely.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Tiny@46:1/126 to Nightfox on Sat Jul 22 10:13:12 2017
    Quoting Nightfox to tenser <=-

    Agreed. This flat earth stuff has even been in the news media
    recently: Rapper BoB tweeting about it and getting into an argument

    It's the same people who think god planted dino bones to test their
    faith. Or the same people who think god wants them to murder innocent
    people who are not muslim.

    Flat earth, all religion = brain washed people who natural selection
    really should have sorted out at birth.

    Shawn

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  • From Accession@46:1/100 to Tiny on Sat Jul 22 06:59:12 2017
    Hello Tiny,

    On Sat Jul 22 2017 10:13:12, Tiny wrote to Nightfox:

    natural selection really should have sorted out at birth.

    Natural selection doesn't always happen at birth. Give it time and it tends to come through eventually. ;)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@46:1/115 to tenser on Sat Jul 22 08:25:09 2017
    Re: Re: Lets start the show
    By: tenser to Nightfox on Fri Jul 21 2017 09:55 pm

    For that matter, anyone with a few dollars can launch a balloon with a camera attached to it and a small tracker that will get up to about 100,000 feet or so and take pictures of the earth's curvature. Then you go get it and look for themselves. Really don't trust anyone else? Then do it oneself!

    I don't think they can trust themselves. :)
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  • From Poindexter Fortran@46:1/115 to Accession on Sat Jul 22 08:27:36 2017
    Re: Lets start the show
    By: Accession to Tiny on Sat Jul 22 2017 06:59 am

    Natural selection doesn't always happen at birth. Give it time and it tends to come through eventually. ;)

    We call it "skimming the gene pool."
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