Theviper wrote to gamgee <=-

meaning no fed allowed means no F.B.I or any kind of fed's not
allowed on the bbs....the viper

Ummmm... OK. But how would you know if they were, or not? Would they
usually tell you that voluntarily?

Maybe it was the apostrophe that threw me off.



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meaning no fed allowed means no F.B.I or any kind of fed's not
allowed on the bbs....the viper

Ummmm... OK. But how would you know if they were, or not? Would they usually tell you that voluntarily?

Maybe it was the apostrophe that threw me off.

I would think putting that in the ad might cause them to take notice. :D


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Re: Re: fed's
By: Gamgee to Theviper on Fri Jul 15 2022 09:27 pm

Theviper wrote to gamgee <=-

meaning no fed allowed means no F.B.I or any kind of fed's not
allowed on the bbs....the viper

Ummmm... OK. But how would you know if they were, or not? Would they usually tell you that voluntarily?

Maybe it was the apostrophe that threw me off.

I wonder if evidence collected by a fed that joined The Viper's BBS without a warrant
would be valid, since the signup would have been done against the ToS of the board.
Maybe it is not about preventing feds from joining but about limiting what they can
make use off :-)

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Arelor wrote to Gamgee <=-

meaning no fed allowed means no F.B.I or any kind of fed's not
allowed on the bbs....the viper

Ummmm... OK. But how would you know if they were, or not? Would they usually tell you that voluntarily?

I wonder if evidence collected by a fed that joined The Viper's
BBS without a warrant would be valid, since the signup would have
been done against the ToS of the board. Maybe it is not about
preventing feds from joining but about limiting what they can
make use off :-)

My guess is that putting that statement in an advertisement does not
establish that policy as a "ToS" for the board. There's no indication
that a potential user has to AGREE to that as a condition of use. It
*might* be different if there is a questionaire during the signup that
asks that specific question and requires you to answer, but just the advertisement alone -- I think not.



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Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-

meaning no fed allowed means no F.B.I or any kind of fed's not
allowed on the bbs....the viper

Ummmm... OK. But how would you know if they were, or not? Would they usually tell you that voluntarily?

I would think putting that in the ad might cause them to take
notice. :D

Haha, hadn't even thought of that angle, but yes, definitely! :-)



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On 7/15/22 19:27, Gamgee wrote:

meaning no fed allowed means no F.B.I or any kind of fed's not
allowed on the bbs....the viper

Ummmm... OK. But how would you know if they were, or not? Would they usually tell you that voluntarily?

Maybe it was the apostrophe that threw me off.

AFAIK, it's pretty much meaningless legally. Any "fed" signing in for
legal reasons wouldn't need to follow that rule/exclusion, and anyone
that respected the rules might side with #1A would be excluded from any conversation. It could even trigger unwanted attention if noticed.

It's mostly virtue signalling.
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On 7/16/22 10:13, Arelor wrote:

I wonder if evidence collected by a fed that joined The Viper's BBS
without a warrant would be valid, since the signup would have been
done against the ToS of the board. Maybe it is not about preventing
feds from joining but about limiting what they can make use off :-)

End user agreements are not an affirmative defense for illegal activity. Although it could require a warrant, and FISA courts tend to rubber
stamp those. IANAL.
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Re: Re: fed's
By: Tracker1 to Arelor on Sat Jul 16 2022 02:33 pm

stamp those. IANAL.

you dirty boy.
IANAL TOO.

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Tracker1 wrote to Gamgee <=-

meaning no fed allowed means no F.B.I or any kind of fed's not
allowed on the bbs....the viper

Ummmm... OK. But how would you know if they were, or not? Would they usually tell you that voluntarily?

Maybe it was the apostrophe that threw me off.

AFAIK, it's pretty much meaningless legally. Any "fed" signing in
for legal reasons wouldn't need to follow that rule/exclusion,
and anyone that respected the rules might side with #1A would be
excluded from any conversation. It could even trigger unwanted
attention if noticed.

Yes, absolutely agree on all points there.

It's mostly virtue signalling.

Yep. :-)



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Re: Re: fed's
By: Gamgee to Arelor on Sat Jul 16 2022 03:25 pm

I wonder if evidence collected by a fed that joined The Viper's
BBS without a warrant would be valid, since the signup would have
been done against the ToS of the board. Maybe it is not about preventing feds from joining but about limiting what they can
make use off :-)

My guess is that putting that statement in an advertisement does not establish that policy as a "ToS" for the board. There's no indication
that a potential user has to AGREE to that as a condition of use. It *might* be different if there is a questionaire during the signup that
asks that specific question and requires you to answer, but just the advertisement alone -- I think not.

Well, there is at least a board that informs the user that Feds are not allowed when creating an account XD

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Re: Re: fed's
By: Tracker1 to Gamgee on Sat Jul 16 2022 02:31 pm

It's mostly virtue signalling.

Nah man, it's in the United States TOS. All users under federal service must legally disclose that fact when questioned.

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Margaerynne wrote to Tracker1 <=-

Re: Re: fed's
By: Tracker1 to Gamgee on Sat Jul 16 2022 02:31 pm

It's mostly virtue signalling.

Nah man, it's in the United States TOS. All users under federal
service must legally disclose that fact when questioned.

Hmmmmm.... you sure about that? Doesn't seem likely to me. An
(admittedly quick) Google search doesn't indicate that.



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Gamgee wrote to Margaerynne <=-

Nah man, it's in the United States TOS. All users under federal
service must legally disclose that fact when questioned.

Hmmmmm.... you sure about that? Doesn't seem likely to me. An (admittedly quick) Google search doesn't indicate that.

It's definitely part of the lore of old dial-up BBSes. Most of 1337 BBSes
new user apps would ask if you were a "Fed" (or we as would say, a "Ph3D!!")




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Re: Re: fed's
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Gamgee on Tue Jul 19 2022 08:47 am

It's definitely part of the lore of old dial-up BBSes. Most of 1337 BBSes new user apps would ask if you were a "Fed" (or we as would say, a "Ph3D!!")

Definitely reminds me of what the entire 813 scene called our local WWIVnet region op. They just called him the "NARC". LOL.
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Kaelon wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

It's definitely part of the lore of old dial-up BBSes. Most of 1337 BBSes new user apps would ask if you were a "Fed" (or we as would say, a "Ph3D!!")

Definitely reminds me of what the entire 813 scene called our local WWIVnet region op. They just called him the "NARC".

415 here. We had a pretty decent scene here, I remember a Forum BBS that had
a whole shareware facade; you'd hit a hidden menu item to get to the real
BBS.



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On 7/18/22 07:36, Margaerynne wrote:

It's mostly virtue signalling.

Nah man, it's in the United States TOS. All users under federal
service must legally disclose that fact when questioned.

Show me in the U.S. Code where it says that. Law enforcement is
absolutely allowed to lie, and in many conditions even break the law.

How do you think they get undercover agents into AntiFa, Proud Boys...?

(Even if they're as likely to orchestrate such actions that they then, "stop").
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Re: Re: fed's
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Kaelon on Thu Jul 21 2022 07:09 am

415 here. We had a pretty decent scene here, I remember a Forum BBS that had a whole shareware facade; you'd hit a hidden menu item to get to the real BBS.

Love it! Back when User Account Security Levels really allowed you to build layer upon layer of different experiences.
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Re: Re: fed's
By: Tracker1 to Margaerynne on Thu Jul 21 2022 02:22 pm

How do you think they get undercover agents into AntiFa, Proud Boys...?

well if these fbi agents are really trying to infultrate the proud boys they must be real bored. proud boys isnt really a hate group or white supramacist organization. it's just a bunch of internet dudes being immature.

shout out to the fbi agent watching me type this.

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Re: Re: fed's
By: Tracker1 to Margaerynne on Thu Jul 21 2022 02:22 pm

Nah man, it's in the United States TOS. All users under federal
service must legally disclose that fact when questioned.

Show me in the U.S. Code where it says that. Law enforcement is
absolutely allowed to lie, and in many conditions even break the law.

It's a riff on the "You have to tell me if you're a cop, it's in the Constitution" joke

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Re: Re: fed's
By: Margaerynne to Tracker1 on Fri Jul 22 2022 08:47 am

Nah man, it's in the United States TOS. All users under federal service must legally disclose that fact when questioned.

Show me in the U.S. Code where it says that. Law enforcement is absolutely allowed to lie, and in many conditions even break the law.

It's a riff on the "You have to tell me if you're a cop, it's in the Constitution" joke

never heard it.

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Re: Re: fed's
By: MRO to Margaerynne on Fri Jul 22 2022 02:31 pm

Re: Re: fed's
By: Margaerynne to Tracker1 on Fri Jul 22 2022 08:47 am

Nah man, it's in the United States TOS. All users under federal service must legally disclose that fact when questioned.

Show me in the U.S. Code where it says that. Law enforcement is absolutely allowed to lie, and in many conditions even break the law.

It's a riff on the "You have to tell me if you're a cop, it's in the Constitution" joke

never heard it.

It's actually a line in a movie or two.
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Re: Re: fed's
By: Digital Man to MRO on Sat Jul 23 2022 09:02 pm

It's a riff on the "You have to tell me if you're a cop, it's in the Constitution" joke

never heard it.

It's actually a line in a movie or two.

internet sez breaking bad.

i'm sure it's in movies. not the constitution part of it, though.
there's people that think it's actually the law or it's intrapment.

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Re: Re: fed's
By: Digital Man to MRO on Sat Jul 23 2022 09:02 pm

Nah man, it's in the United States TOS. All users under federal service must legally disclose that fact when questioned.

Show me in the U.S. Code where it says that. Law enforcement is absolutely allowed to lie, and in many conditions even break the law.

It's a riff on the "You have to tell me if you're a cop, it's in the Constitution" joke

never heard it.

It's actually a line in a movie or two.

Now I'm wondering if it's a generation thing. Roughly every millennial knows the "You have to tell me if you're a cop" joke (probably because of Breaking Bad)

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Re: Re: fed's
By: Margaerynne to Digital Man on Fri Aug 05 2022 11:07 pm

It's a riff on the "You have to tell me if you're a cop, it's in
the Constitution" joke

never heard it.

It's actually a line in a movie or two.

Now I'm wondering if it's a generation thing. Roughly every millennial knows the "You have to tell me if you're a cop" joke (probably because of Breaking Bad)

I've never watched Breaking Bad, but I've seen people say that online.

Re: Re: fed's
By: Nightfox to Margaerynne on Sat Aug 06 2022 11:11 am

I've never watched Breaking Bad, but I've seen people say that online.

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Re: Re: fed's
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Tue Aug 09 2022 11:52 am

Re: Re: fed's
By: Nightfox to Margaerynne on Sat Aug 06 2022 11:11 am

I've never watched Breaking Bad, but I've seen people say that online.

I recommend that you watch it. Then El Camino (movie), then Better Call Saul.

I liked it when i watched it, but i stopped watching. I'm not even sure what season i was on. It's hard for me to commit to these shows that run for several years.

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Digital Man wrote to Nightfox <=-

I've never watched Breaking Bad, but I've seen people say that online.

I recommend that you watch it. Then El Camino (movie), then
Better Call Saul.

1000% agree. El Camino was just "okay" for me, but I think BB is
probably the best show/series ever aired on television. I'd also say
that BCS is not far behind that. Great stuff. BCS is currently on it's
last season, being broadcast on AMC channel. I've got 4-5 episodes on
the DVR left to watch.


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Re: Re: fed's
By: Margaerynne to Tracker1 on Mon Jul 18 2022 09:36:55

Nah man, it's in the United States TOS. All users under federal service must legally disclose that fact when questioned.

Drug Dealer: Are you a fed?
Fed: You got me. Doh!


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