HusTler wrote to All <=-
So are these demonstrations and riots going to change anything? Why or Why not?
HusTler wrote to All <=-
So are these demonstrations and riots going to change anything? Why or Why not?
HusTler
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Societal change takes a lot of work. The demonstrations and riots may be the first steps, but real change won't occur until laws are passed, enforced and upheld by the courts.
HusTler wrote to All <=-
So are these demonstrations and riots going to change anything? Why or Why not?
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After the Rodney King/LA riots of 25 years ago, there was heightened awarene of police brutality, time passed, and then back to status quo.
Protesting is one thing but to block highways, destroy buildings, riot and l is totally different. It should be dealt with now in the harshest way.
So are these demonstrations and riots going to change anything? Why or Why not?
So are these demonstrations and riots going to change anything? Why or Why not?
HusTler
The family of the young woman who was killed asked, after the first night, for the protestors to please stop because they were not honoring her
memory or helping matters at all. I think they are into day 4 or 5 now. I guess the listening skills of the protestors/rioters are poor.
Protesting is one thing but to block highways, destroy buildings, riot
and l is totally different. It should be dealt with now in the harshest way.
way.
over by me these dumb fucks are destroying their own community stores.
that makes no sense.
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MRO wrote to Thumper <=-
Re: Re: Demonstrations?
By: Thumper to Arelor on Mon Jun 01 2020 01:28 pm
Protesting is one thing but to block highways, destroy buildings, riot and l is totally different. It should be dealt with now in the harshest way.
over by me these dumb fucks are destroying their own community stores. that makes no sense.
paulie420 wrote to HusTler <=-
I will tell you my take on whats happening in Portland, Oregon
tho...
So I went to the George Floyd *protest* on Saturday... and there
was an antifa vibe in the air. You could just feel it... I think
they really sway a lot of law-abiding protesters to their
cause/or way, just by controlling the feelings in the air.
But anyway, I was there protesting... and there was like 50% + of
normal, law abiding citizens there... we left, which thank God...
got in the truck and made one last drive thru the main area...
The police said 'this is now an illegeal demonstration DISPURSE
the area'... and literally *three* seconds later shot off gas and
rubber bullets... and RAN towards the crowd. Literally where I
was standing 10 minutes prior.
I don't want to seem like I think looting and rioting is OK,
because I don't. Its bullshit... but the Portland police really
put legal people and children in harms way on Saturday.... it was
fucking bullshit
So are these demonstrations and riots going to change anything? Why or
Why not?
If anything I expect them to make us more divided than we already are.
HusTler wrote to All <=-
So are these demonstrations and riots going to change anything? Why or Why not?
The family of the young woman who was killed asked, after the first night, for the protestors to please stop because they were not honoring her memory or helping matters at all. I think they are into day 4 or 5 now. I
guess the listening skills of the protestors/rioters are poor.
I suspect it is due to the fact that protests and riots are not really about the incident, but about making political noise using any excuse they can find.
Which sucks hard because the core cause gets automatically discredited.
The President said he'll send in the military if States can't handle the crowds. This reminds me of the 60's and 70's. A few bad cops does not define our police force.
HusTler
HusTler wrote to All <=-
So are these demonstrations and riots going to change anything? Why
or Why not?
So, keep in mind that the demonstrations and riots were 2 separate things. The rioters basically used the demonostrators as shields and cover.
As far as the demonstrations go: No. Everyone already believed the officer was in the wrong and we needed to get to the bottom of that. There was nothing to "protest". This was mainly groups like BLM to get their name out there.
Unfortunately, the rioters used the BLM-like groups as cover to do their work and tarnished the names of those groups.
So, I guess some things did change. BLM (and the like) has no sympathy from anyone anymore. As Scott Adams put it, "The brands are trash now." (But I think he used stronger language there.)
Back in the 60's, there were riots in many cities. The businesses left and those districts never recovered. Now they are hurt even more. The cities are done. Don't expect many to rebuild, and the ones that try will be out of business in a year or so - simply because most people won't want to go to the cities.
We used to go to Grand Rapids for various events. That won't be happening for the forseeable future.
The *police* put people in harms way? Really?
So, you don't think the people who attend a "protest" *KNOWING*
it's closely tied to Antifa (which is what you said right there above).... put *THEMSELVES* in harms way?
Gimme a break. You got the bullshit part right. If you *CHOOSE*
to attend such a function, you get what you get.
... Does the name Pavlov ring a bell?
Thumper wrote to Arelor <=-
Protesting is one thing but to block highways, destroy buildings, riot
and loot is totally different. It should be dealt with now in the
harshest way.
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MRO wrote to Thumper <=-
Re: Re: Demonstrations?
By: Thumper to Arelor on Mon Jun 01 2020 01:28 pm
Protesting is one thing but to block highways, destroy buildings, riot and l is totally different. It should be dealt with now in the harshest way.
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paulie420 wrote to Gamgee <=-
The *police* put people in harms way? Really?
So, you don't think the people who attend a "protest" *KNOWING*
it's closely tied to Antifa (which is what you said right there
above).... put *THEMSELVES* in harms way?
Gimme a break. You got the bullshit part right. If you *CHOOSE*
to attend such a function, you get what you get.
There was horrible police misconduct and MURDER - that I viewed
with my own eyes... (BTW, watch the video if you havent... George
Floyd was MURDERED..
I'm not a lefty, and that was hard to
watch.) There were protests, during daylight hours... and a
law-abiding citizen wanted to go and protest this police
violence.
What in the hell did I do wrong? Am I not free to protest in the
country? Maybe the police should protect ME from *whatever*
(Antifa) threats there are out there... and protect my right to
free speech....
Oh yea, while they learn that they aren't supposed to kill
American citizens.
I think your tone and suggestions of giving up constitutionally
protected acts in weak-sauce....
Its been coronavirus for 3 months...
There was horrible police misconduct and MURDER - that I viewed with my own eyes... (BTW, watch the video if you havent... George Floyd was MURDERED.. I not a lefty, and that was hard to watch.)
There were protests, during daylight hours... and a law-abiding citizen want to go and protest this police violence.
What in the hell did I do wrong? Am I not free to protest in the country? Ma the police should protect ME from *whatever* (Antifa) threats there are out there... and protect my right to free speech....
Oh yea, while they learn that they aren't supposed to kill American citizens
I think your tone and suggestions of giving up constitutionally protected ac in weak-sauce....
Arelor wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
Re: Demonstrations?
By: Dumas Walker to HUSTLER on Mon Jun 01 2020 07:45 pm
The family of the young woman who was killed asked, after the first night, for the protestors to please stop because they were not honoring her
memory or helping matters at all. I think they are into day 4 or 5 now. I guess the listening skills of the protestors/rioters are poor.
I suspect it is due to the fact that protests and riots are not really about the incident, but about making political noise using any excuse
they can find. Which sucks hard because the core cause gets
automatically discredited.
Protesting is one thing but to block highways, destroy buildings, riot and loot
is totally different. It should be dealt with now in the harshest way.
hatever happens. That said no laws are going to change racism. Behaving like a
imals and disrepecting other peoples personal property will in no way change my
opinion of blacks. A few bad cops did a bad thing. Now the blacks want to make >t a race thing.
We used to go to Grand Rapids for various events. That won't be happening for >the forseeable future.
Dumas Walker wrote to DR. WHAT <=-
We used to go to Grand Rapids for various events. That won't be happening for
the forseeable future.
Are they having trouble there also? I had not heard.
Dennisk wrote to Thumper <=-
From what I see, and from "leftists" I know, they just want to bring it down. The first motive is antagonism and hate. There is no desire for good relations with others.
Well, from the video I have seen, it is not just blacks that are destroying property. Lawlessness at these riots seems to be color blind. From what I can tell, so is Antifa.
Dumas Walker wrote to THUMPER <=-
Protesting is one thing but to block highways, destroy buildings, riot and loot
is totally different. It should be dealt with now in the harshest way.
Agreed, but there will be a whole lot of folks who say that the rights
of the criminals are being violated if the laws against such actions
are actually enforced. People have lost their damn minds.
Dr. What wrote to Dennisk <=-
Lefties only know how to destroy. That's why they are so enraged at anyone who actually creates something: because they know that doing something similar is far beyond them and they are jealous of that.
Crates of pipe bombs found at the Korean War Memorial in DC and palates of bricks on the street corners in Minneapolis are two examples of this plannin
After the riots, they found that 80% of the people caught were not from the area. That smells of organization and resources to bus people from other areas.
Arelor wrote to calcmandan <=-
Re: Re: Demonstrations?
By: calcmandan to Dr. What on Thu Jun 04 2020 06:50 pm
Crates of pipe bombs found at the Korean War Memorial in DC and palates of bricks on the street corners in Minneapolis are two examples of this plannin
I think the pipe bomb is widely considered a hoax right now. At least
the security forces responsible of the place report they know nothing about it, as far as I know.
Again, I'm not arguing that police have and do cross the line too
often when it comes to excessive force. No doubt. But bullshit
like what's on the TV for a week is NOT the way that's going to
get changed. Even the family of George Floyd has said that this
is dishonoring his memory. It's nothing more than assholes taking advantage of a situation to act like the thugs that they are.
Dr. What wrote to Dennisk <=-
Dennisk wrote to Thumper <=-
From what I see, and from "leftists" I know, they just want to bring it down. The first motive is antagonism and hate. There is no desire for good relations with others.
They don't know how to have good relations.
Lefties only know how to destroy. That's why they are so enraged at anyone who actually creates something: because they know that doing something similar is far beyond them and they are jealous of that.
I think the pipe bomb is widely considered a hoax right now. At least the security forces responsible of the place report they know nothing about it, as far as I know.
I hope so. But the bricks?
Daniel Traechin
paulie420 wrote to Gamgee <=-
Again, I'm not arguing that police have and do cross the line too
often when it comes to excessive force. No doubt. But bullshit
like what's on the TV for a week is NOT the way that's going to
get changed. Even the family of George Floyd has said that this
is dishonoring his memory. It's nothing more than assholes taking advantage of a situation to act like the thugs that they are.
I think we agree on most points... I certainly agree with you
that the looting and rioting is BS and deserves police
intervention. Certainly...
The one point I don't know that you got was that... in the
instance where I attended, the police didn't give any forewarning
for the individuals who WEREN'T bringing the BS... and also, I
did leave for 10 minutes - maybe something happened during those
10 minutes, that I didn't see... as I DID leave when the air got
too thick for me...
At any rate, I agree that what happened early this week was BS
and police are right to shut it down.
And; if its a moment where there are legal protesters there, they
should give warning prior to rushing the crowd... thats all. :P
Arelor wrote to calcmandan <=-
Re: Re: Demonstrations?
By: calcmandan to Dr. What on Thu Jun 04 2020 06:50 pm
Crates of pipe bombs found at the Korean War Memorial in DC and palates o bricks on the street corners in Minneapolis are two examples of this plan
I think the pipe bomb is widely considered a hoax right now. At least the security forces responsible of the place report they know nothing about it, as far as I know.
I hope so. But the bricks?
Daniel Traechin
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I hope this unrest leads to major police reform. I was all for protests in >Minneapolis after that brutal murder but I never imagined it would spread to so
many major metros. The areas of the worst problems must be where the police are
most corrupt.
I think the pipe bomb is widely considered a hoax right now. At least the security forces responsible of the place report they know nothing about it, as far as I know.
I hope so. But the bricks?
And; if its a moment where there are legal protesters there, they should give w
rning prior to rushing the crowd... thats all. :P
I agree that legal, *PEACEFUL* protesters should not be subjected
to aggressive police action like tear gas, beatings, etc.
But..... when they're all mixed up in a crowd with the assholes
who *DO* need to be shut down, what exactly are the cops supposed
to do? It's not always easy to tell the difference between
"protester" and "terrorist". Especially when it's dark, and
people are agitated and running/moving around a lot. Again - what
can the police do - ask them politely something like: "OK would
all the protesters move over here, and all the agitators move over
there, so that we know who to take action against"?
Obviously, they can't do that. So they do what they can and disperse/move/arrest anybody in the way. At that point if you
really are a peaceful protester, you should have already vacated
the area, knowing what's coming. Not doing that is on you.
It's always important to differentiate between Idealism (that
protesters are different than terrorists) and Reality (that it's impossible to tell the difference in the real world situation).
... Pros are those who do their jobs well, even when they don't feel like it. --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
Dumas Walker wrote to CALCMANDAN <=-
I hope this unrest leads to major police reform. I was all for protests in
Minneapolis after that brutal murder but I never imagined it would spread to so
many major metros. The areas of the worst problems must be where the police are
most corrupt.
Or where the politicians are most corrupt.
Re: Re: Demonstrations?
By: MRO to Thumper on Mon Jun 01 2020 05:22 pm
Protesting is one thing but to block highways, destroy buildings, riot and l is totally different. It should be dealt with now in the harshest way.
way.
over by me these dumb fucks are destroying their own community stores. that makes no sense.
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The President said he'll send in the military if States can't handle the crowds. This reminds me of the 60's and 70's. A few bad cops does not define our police force.
We ARE devided and no laws are going to change that. I personaly do not li the black race. If that makes me a "racist" I can live with that. No law is going to make me like black people. Did the cops abuse their authority? Of course they did but why? If they felt threatend they have the right to do whatever is necessary to protect themselves. Being arreseted is not supposed be a pleasant experience. Resisting arrest is asking for trouble and if you resist you deserve whatever happens. That said no laws are going to change racism. Behaving like animals and disrepecting other peoples personal prope will in no way change my opinion of blacks. A few bad cops did a bad thing. the blacks want to make it a race thing.
We used to go to Grand Rapids for various events. That won't be happeni for the forseeable future.
I live up in the Motherlode with very small towns. It was just announced the are planning a protest tomorrow in Sonora. Hope all remains calm. There have been rumors of people "bussing" in but no idea if true or not.....
-=Thumper=-
calcmandan wrote to Dr. What <=-
I don't agree. They view capitalism as inherently evil because they see
it as an injustice that some people have wealth while others don't. Regardless of how someone contributes to society, they feel everyone should possess even wealth regardless of their output. So they're destroying everything with the goal of destabilizing the country and
force change on an elementary level. There are two movements that I've noticed based on interviews with rioters on the street. One is a desire
to make us a communist cesspoll and the other is to remove law and
order altogether and make the US into an anarchist mecca. This is all being orchestrated by far-left organizations who've been preparing for such an event.
I hope this unrest leads to major police reform. I was all for protests
in Minneapolis after that brutal murder but I never imagined it would spread to so many major metros. The areas of the worst problems must be where the police are most corrupt.
I'm going through some depression over this and I can't get over the
fact that I saw someone being murdered on the street by cops in a nonchalant and relatively casual way. Citizens surrounded the cops and
no one did anything to stop it.
The "murder" idea is getting thinner by the minute. He was on fentanyl and had a long criminal history.
(Fentanyl, for those who don't know, can cause respiratory distress and death when taken in high doses or when combined with other substances, especially alcohol.)
The "murder" idea is getting thinner by the minute. He was on fentanyl had a long criminal history.
(Fentanyl, for those who don't know, can cause respiratory distress and death when taken in high doses or when combined with other substances, especially alcohol.)
The murder idea is very real. The cop had his knee of the guys neck for more
from what i saw on the video it was very strange. i think he was trying
to do a neck compression to make him pass out so they can handle him.
Hello MRO!
** On Saturday 06.06.20 - 21:16, mro wrote to Al:
from what i saw on the video it was very strange. i think he was trying
to do a neck compression to make him pass out so they can handle him.
But the official word from the police chief was that there was no such procedure in training.
The murder idea is very real. The cop had his knee of the guys neck
for more
right now i dont care if he was murdered.
i think it's about 5 years too late. he did a home invasion and held
a gun on a pregnant woman's stomach.
there's a lot more to the story. he was a big guy and he was probably very difficult to arrest.
from what i saw on the video it was very strange. i think he was
trying to do a neck compression to make him pass out so they can
handle him.
But the official word from the police chief was that there was no such procedure in training.
The murder of George Floyd is what brought us to where we are.
The "murder" idea is getting thinner by the minute. He was on fentanyl and
a long criminal history.
(Fentanyl, for those who don't know, can cause respiratory distress and deat when taken in high doses or when combined with other substances, especially alcohol.)
Now, that doesn't excuse the cop's actions. But it's looking like the cop d not cause his death.
IHMO: If I knew someone to have along criminal history (like the cops did) a to be on drugs (like the cops did - but they probably didn't know what), I probably wouldn't have done anything to help.
... Elvis Stamps: Where will your mail be spotted next?
now you have a group of people who vote democrat, are just used to handouts they think nothing is their fault and businesses and business owners are the enemy.
they are no longer warriors. they are weak.
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The "murder" idea is getting thinner by the minute. He was on fentanyl
and had a long criminal history.
The murder idea is very real. The cop had his knee of the guys neck for more than eight minutes in spite of the fact he was handcuffed and had three othe officers to support him, even after he was lifeless.
The "murder" idea is getting thinner by the minute. He was on fentanyl and had a long criminal history.
(Fentanyl, for those who don't know, can cause respiratory distress and death when taken in high doses or when combined with other substances, especially alcohol.)
Now, that doesn't excuse the cop's actions. But it's looking like the cop did not cause his death.
IHMO: If I knew someone to have along criminal history (like the cops did) and to be on drugs (like the cops did - but they probably didn't know what), I probably wouldn't have done anything to help.
The articles I read state d the coroners never used the word asphyxiated in their autopsy. He died from a combination of drugs, a heart condition and being wrestled down and detained by the police placed him in the condition of cardiac arrest. If that is the case, the police should be charged with involuntary manslaughter. Several years ago a 400 pound bear of a dude was publicly intoxicated, and the cops decided to taze him rather than get hurt trying to tackle him down. He was tazed 3 or 4 times, then died later of a heart attack that night. His family was trying to get tazers banned even though the coroner concluded he would've died anyways if he was wrestled down.
now you have a group of people who vote democrat, are just used to
handouts they think nothing is their fault and businesses and business
owners are the enemy.
they are no longer warriors. they are weak.
They are black. They are arragont, disrespectful, ignorant, overly aggresive ugly people. Nothing they do will ever "make" me like them. HusTler
The murder of George Floyd is what brought us to where we are.
My theory is that not, it is not.
It is the excuse used to boot demonstrations and riots in an attempt to cause political instability for some reason.
If the murder was the problem, people would be storming the headquarters of the police department involved. Instead, you have demonstrations and riots happening in places that are uninvolved, including foreign countries that have no horse on the track.
The Spanish Ex Prime Minister, José Luis Rodrídríguez Zapatero, has declared that now is the time to take advantage and let Europe put the USA in an "impossible" position.
I think the enemies of the federal government are having a lot of fun right now. Riots are breaking america harder than the secession war.
None of that changes the fact that the cops caused his death. I'm sure the charges will get knocked down or possibly dropped in the end.
Does anyone know why the cops had floyd pinned down for so long? The cuffs were on him. Why didn't they just get him up and put him in the car? What were they waiting for? Were they waiting for the EMT's to arrive to take him to the hospital cause he was under the influence or at least acting that way? Why were they called? Was he acting aggresive and high? The man is almost 7 feet tall. If I'm a cop and a 7 feet tall black man is acting nuts I'm going to pin him to the ground and keep him there anyway I can until I feel it's safe to let him up. It's a matter of who gets hurt. Me or him.
right now i dont care if he was murdered.
The murder of George Floyd is what brought us to where we are.
i think it's about 5 years too late. he did a home invasion and held
a gun on a pregnant woman's stomach.
I assume that Floyd has paid his debt to society for whatever he did in the past.
Re: Re: Demonstrations?
By: Ogg to All on Sat Jun 06 2020 11:02 pm
from what i saw on the video it was very strange. i think he was
trying to do a neck compression to make him pass out so they can
handle him.
But the official word from the police chief was that there was no such procedure in training.
Edmonton police recently used a similar thing on a suspect in Edmonton. I'm pretty sure they don't get trained to use such a technique either.
Re: Re: Demonstrations?
By: Al to MRO on Sun Jun 07 2020 12:39 am
The murder of George Floyd is what brought us to where we are.
My theory is that not, it is not.
It is the excuse used to boot demonstrations and riots in an attempt to caus political instability for some reason.
If the murder was the problem, people would be storming the headquarters of police department involved. Instead, you have demonstrations and riots happening in places that are uninvolved, including foreign countries that ha no horse on the track.
The Spanish Ex Prime Minister, Jos¡ Luis Rodr¡dr¡guez Zapatero, has declared that now is the time to take advantage and let Europe put the USA in an "impossible" position.
Re: Demonstrations?
By: MRO to HusTler on Sat Jun 06 2020 11:57 am
now you have a group of people who vote democrat, are just used to handou they think nothing is their fault and businesses and business owners are enemy.
they are no longer warriors. they are weak.
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They are black. They are arragont, disrespectful, ignorant, overly aggresi ugly people. Nothing they do will ever "make" me like them.
Does anyone know why the cops had floyd pinned down for so long? The cuffs were on him. Why didn't they just get him up and put him in the car? What we they waiting for? Were they waiting for the EMT's to arrive to take him to t hospital cause he was under the influence or at least acting that way? Why w they called? Was he acting aggresive and high? The man is almost 7 feet tall
George Floyd was murdered by the Minneapolis police officer who restrained h airflow until he died.
That the cop was wrong and should be prosecuted.
However, Floyd was murdered. Period, end of discussion.
tazers banned even though the coroner concluded he would've died anyway if he was wrestled down.
George Floyd died because of the actions the minneapolis police officer took and nothing, not one tiny bit, else.
I don't think Floyd needed to be restrained after he was handcuffed, and if did a knee on his back would have been better that a knee on his neck.
Ttyl :-),
I don't think Floyd needed to be restrained after he was handcuffed,
and if did a knee on his back would have been better that a knee on
his neck.
have you ever taken down a 6'5 man that is mostly muscle and full of drugs?
Al wrote to Dr. What <=-
The murder idea is very real. The cop had his knee of the guys neck for more than eight minutes in spite of the fact he was handcuffed and had three other officers to support him, even after he was lifeless.
paulie420 wrote to Dr. What <=-
Oh Jesus christ... facts;
MRO wrote to Thumper <=-
Re: Re: Demonstrations?
By: Thumper to Dr. What on Tue Jun 02 2020 02:57 pm
We used to go to Grand Rapids for various events. That won't be happeni for the forseeable future.
I live up in the Motherlode with very small towns. It was just announced the are planning a protest tomorrow in Sonora. Hope all remains calm. There have been rumors of people "bussing" in but no idea if true or not.....
-=Thumper=-
over by me a lady heard about a skid of bricks being dropped off for a 'protest'
she went there with her husband and their truck and sure enough, there they were. parked in a driveway near businesses. it wasnt enough for a construction job or anything else other than being thrown at windows.
so they loaded them up in the truck and drove off and called the police
to tell them.
free bricks
Re: Re: Demonstrations?
By: Moondog to Dr. What on Sun Jun 07 2020 12:20 am
The articles I read state d the coroners never used the word asphyxiate in their autopsy. He died from a combination of drugs, a heart conditio and being wrestled down and detained by the police placed him in the condition of cardiac arrest. If that is the case, the police should be charged with involuntary manslaughter. Several years ago a 400 pound be of a dude was publicly intoxicated, and the cops decided to taze him rather than get hurt trying to tackle him down. He was tazed 3 or 4 tim then died later of a heart attack that night. His family was trying to tazers banned even though the coroner concluded he would've died anyway if he was wrestled down.
George Floyd died because of the actions the minneapolis police officer took
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Re: Re: Demonstrations?
By: Arelor to Al on Sun Jun 07 2020 02:52 am
The murder of George Floyd is what brought us to where we are.
My theory is that not, it is not.
The murder was the catalyst that started it all. It has become much more now
It is the excuse used to boot demonstrations and riots in an attempt to cause political instability for some reason.
I support peaceful demonstrations but not rioting and looting. How demonstra
I was once in downtown Vancouver and after the big game was over (I never at re unprepared and outnumbered.
All that because of a hockey game. The rioters were not hockey fans.
If the murder was the problem, people would be storming the headquarter of the police department involved. Instead, you have demonstrations and riots happening in places that are uninvolved, including foreign countr that have no horse on the track.
That did happen in Minniapolis. Minniapolis is not the same today as it was
Of course the Trump Administration had lots going on before this that was on
The Spanish Ex Prime Minister, José Luis Rodrídríguez Zapatero, has declared that now is the time to take advantage and let Europe put the in an "impossible" position.
I don't have eyes on the ex prime minister of Spain. I just don't have the s
I think the enemies of the federal government are having a lot of fun right now. Riots are breaking america harder than the secession war.
I don't think anyone in government is having fun with any of this. The left
I think both left and right can agree that justice for all is important and
Ttyl :-),
Al
well he was on meth and fent. people die from that shit all the time.
he also had serious health problems.
he died of a heart attack.
maybe the fuckup shouldnt have been trying to pass fake 20 dollar bills.
i feel no outrage over this piece of garbage's death. he has a long criminal history and in one instance held a gun to a pregnant woman's stomach.
hope he's in hell.
In this case Floyd was handcuffed and put in the back of a police car. Offic Chauvin then pulled Floyd out of the car from the other side of the car and him on the ground and used his knee on his neck to restrain him. Floyd asked
Floyd was not resisting.
Al wrote to Dr. What <=-
The murder idea is very real. The cop had his knee of the guys neck for more than eight minutes in spite of the fact he was handcuffed and had three other officers to support him, even after he was lifeless.
I just love how Lefties ignore any fact that doesn't support their Narrarive
No one questions whether or not the cop was in the right. But for "murder" stick, they need to show that the cop caused the death. If fentanyl caused death, then it won't be murder.
Oh Jesus christ... facts;
George Floyd was murdered by the Minneapolis police officer who restrained his airflow until he died.
I even agree with you on some points; like riotting and destroying
That the cop was wrong and should be prosecuted.
they are no longer warriors. they are weak.
They are black. They are arragont, disrespectful, ignorant, overly
aggresive ugly people. Nothing they do will ever "make" me like
them.
Every single word here is racist and disgusting.
what are you quoting.
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In this case Floyd was handcuffed and put in the back of a police car. Officer Chauvin then pulled Floyd out of the car from the other side of the car and put him on the ground and used his knee on his neck to
George Floyd died because of the actions the minneapolis police
officer took
I agree, but in the justice system there's a difference between murder and involuntary manslaughter (died from complications rather than mruderous intent.) Big difference.
In this case Floyd was handcuffed and put in the back of a police
car. Officer Chauvin then pulled Floyd out of the car from the other
side of the car and put him on the ground and used his knee on his
neck to
What?? This is the first time I've heard this version. Why was he taken out of the car? That must have been when he tried to "Jet" (escape).
they are no longer warriors. they are weak.
They are black. They are arragont, disrespectful, ignorant, overly
aggresive ugly people. Nothing they do will ever "make" me like
them.
Every single word here is racist and disgusting.
Yes I am a racist and nothing will ever change that. My hatred for blacks runs deep. Let's see what happens Nov 3. I suspect much of the country feels them same way I do. They just won't admit it. Nobody is going to "force" me to like black people. Whenever I see them behave they way they do (Disrespecting our flag, disprespecting property and police officers) I dislike them even more. These demonstrations are NOT going to change anything. Now their teaching their children how to protest against us. What have protests done in the past? Create even more hate. Do you think law and order won't prevail in this country? The people that protest only want anarchy for our country. We must never never let that happen. No matter what the cost.
Show us you know how to behave. Give us a reason not to be afraid of you. Blacks collectivly are hostile, angry people that NEVER admit they are wrong. They all believe they've been wronged by whites and are looking for pay back.
Yes I am a racist and nothing will ever change that. My hatred for blacks runs deep. Let's see what happens Nov 3. I suspect much of the country feels them same way I do. They just won't admit it. Nobody is going to
Re: Re: Demonstrations?
By: Moondog to paulie420 on Mon Jun 08 2020 03:13 pm
George Floyd died because of the actions the minneapolis police
officer took
I agree, but in the justice system there's a difference between murder involuntary manslaughter (died from complications rather than mruderous intent.) Big difference.
In most cases, I support the officers...
However, if you (not you.. anyone) take 9 minutes and watch the video, there
I mean its so black and white; cut and dry. The guy pinned him down, used a gonizing second of exactly that.
Nothing else happened here. Chauvin murdered the man.
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Nothing else happened here. Chauvin murdered the man.
I don't have a list of facts in front of me. I got the above from the editorial
of someone who wanted 1st degree murders charges instead of the third or second
degree charges in place at the time it was written.
Every single word here is racist and disgusting.
Yes I am a racist and nothing will ever change that. My hatred for blacks runs deep. Let's see what happens Nov 3. I suspect much of the country feels them same way I do. They just won't admit it. Nobody is going to "force" me to like black people. Whenever I see them behave they way they do (Disrespecting our flag, disprespecting property and police officers) I dislike them even more. These demonstrations are NOT going to change anything. Now their teaching their children how to protest against us. What have protests done in the past? Create even more hate. Do you think law and order won't prevail in this country? The people that protest only want anarchy for our country. We must never never let that happen. No matter what the cost. Show us you know how to behave. Give us a reason not to be afraid of you. Blacks collectivly are hostile, angry people that NEVER admit they are wrong. They all believe they've been wronged by whites and are looking for pay back.
I am disgusted by your racist attitude and am almost considering adding you to my twit list.
Dumas Walker wrote to AL <=-
I don't have a list of facts in front of me. I got the above from the editorial
of someone who wanted 1st degree murders charges instead of the third or second
degree charges in place at the time it was written.
Not sure about Canadian press but, here in the USA, "editorials"
no longer deal in facts but mostly opinion. They used to be
someone's opinion of the facts, but now facts do not have to play
into it at all.
I'm glad you are honest, but it makes me sad as a human you see the world this way.
---TLM
I am disgusted by your racist attitude and am almost considering adding you to my twit list.
Nightfox
I've been trying to bite my tongue here, but I just can't anymore. I've started multiple messages in response to your rasict diatribes, and aborted them thinking "no, he's not worth the effort"
You may not be worth the effort, but your comments are. You are 100% wrong in everything you've said. The majority of the country does not think the way you do (as evidenced by the current goings-on, and the huge amount of support the protesters have throughout the world). You are the very type of filth that they're protesting against.
It makes me sad I get frighted whenever a black person gets near me or my kids.
Nightfox wrote to HusTler <=-
Re: Demonstrations?
By: HusTler to paulie420 on Mon Jun 08 2020 08:29 pm
Yes I am a racist and nothing will ever change that. My hatred for blacks runs deep. Let's see what happens Nov 3. I suspect much of the country feels them same way I do. They just won't admit it. Nobody is going to
I am disgusted by your racist attitude and am almost considering adding you to my twit list.
On 06-09-20 22:53, Nightfox wrote to HusTler <=-
Yes, it's sad that you get frightened by black people.
i feel no outrage over this piece of garbage's death. he has a long crimi history and in one instance held a gun to a pregnant woman's stomach.
hope he's in hell.
Passing fake money isn't necessarily a crime being broken. He received that bill from someone else. If anything, calling the police in should've resulted in a detaining for questioning to determine the source of the bill. Even then they would've recorded a testimony while his memory was fresh, and
I mean its so black and white; cut and dry. The guy pinned him down, used a martial arts hold - which a lot of people don't understand, Chauvin was usin corroded artery hold; which is a THING... until the man died from it. You ca watch agonizing by agonizing second of exactly that.
Think "Walter Cronkite" and similar, if you go back that far, to
recall what real news was.
MRO wrote to HusTler <=-
Re: Demonstrations?
By: HusTler to paulie420 on Mon Jun 08 2020 08:29 pm
Re: Demonstrations?
By: paulie420 to HusTler on Sun Jun 07 2020 04:07 pm
they are no longer warriors. they are weak.
They are black. They are arragont, disrespectful, ignorant, overly
aggresive ugly people. Nothing they do will ever "make" me like
them.
Every single word here is racist and disgusting.
Yes I am a racist and nothing will ever change that. My hatred for blacks runs deep. Let's see what happens Nov 3. I suspect much of the country feels them same way I do. They just won't admit it. Nobody is going to "force" me like black people. Whenever I see them behave they way they do (Disrespectin our flag, disprespecting property and police officers) I dislike them even more. These demonstrations are NOT going to change anything. Now their teach their children how to protest against us. What have protests done in the pa Create even more hate. Do you think law and order won't prevail in this country? The people that protest only want anarchy for our country. We must never never let that happen. No matter what the cost.
Show us you know how to behave. Give us a reason not to be afraid of you. Blacks collectivly are hostile, angry people that NEVER admit they are wrong They all believe they've been wronged by whites and are looking for pay back
this is a very close minded way to think and i hope you can outgrow
this. it's not doing you any good.
Not sure about Canadian press but, here in the USA, "editorials" no longer deal in facts but mostly opinion. They used to be someone's opinion of the facts, but now facts do not have to play into it at all.
Re: Re: Demonstrations?
By: Moondog to MRO on Mon Jun 08 2020 03:21 pm
i feel no outrage over this piece of garbage's death. he has a long cr history and in one instance held a gun to a pregnant woman's stomach.
hope he's in hell.
Passing fake money isn't necessarily a crime being broken. He received t bill from someone else. If anything, calling the police in should've resulted in a detaining for questioning to determine the source of the bi Even then they would've recorded a testimony while his memory was fresh,
yeah i'm sure he was a fucking angel and it was all a misunderstanding. happens to everyone.
I don't think the problem is Black people. The problem is identity politics Antagonism between different groups of people is a fixed human trait, and fr what I see here in Australia, a lot of this protest appears to be a power struggle. A lot of what humans do is about asserting power and dominance. This is starting in other Western countries too.
In the 20th century a belief arose that this human dynamic was not important and could be overcome, that you could have nations where people are united b proposition only. Many conservatives still believe this, but the progressiv have realised this and therefore are ahead of the game. This idea is unravelling, as are many of the other ideals of the past (European Union, Neo-Liberalism, Globalism).
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It seems pretty clear to me that George Floyd was murdered by another narciccist who didn't care that the murder would be available for all to see He looked directly at the camera several times.
yeah i'm sure he was a fucking angel and it was all a misunderstanding. happens to everyone.
He was by no means an angel, and had a rap sheet. Counterfeiting wasn't his modus operandi. His choices of poison were meth and fent, and I imagine it'
easier to pass bills through people making illegal transactions versus takin a chance at a place with a pen or other means of detection. Good, bad, whatever. Dying over a fake $20 is an empty death.
It seems pretty clear to me that George Floyd was murdered by another narciccis
who didn't care that the murder would be available for all to see. He looked d
rectly at the camera several times.
he died of a heart attack. he was on drugs. he had arterial disease and heart disease.
yes the officer was trying to do that hold on him. he wasnt doing an effective job because people should go out in under 30 seconds. that hold isnt what killed him.
I don't think the problem is Black people. The problem is identity politics. Antagonism between different groups of people is a fixed human trait, and from what I see here in Australia, a lot of this protest appears to be a power struggle. A lot of what humans do is about asserting power and dominance. This is starting in other Western countries too.
I personally couldn't imagine that a man dying on his own accord, from cardi arrest, would need any type of restraining at all... I saw from beginning to end; the man was communicating and the officer took the life out of him- we it.
They are the beleifs of ignorance, hate and stupidity - one person isn't a race, an
race isn't one person - there is no THEY.
Re: Re: Demonstrations?
By: MRO to paulie420 on Wed Jun 10 2020 04:46 pm
he died of a heart attack. he was on drugs. he had arterial disease and heart disease.
yes the officer was trying to do that hold on him. he wasnt doing an effective job because people should go out in under 30 seconds. that ho isnt what killed him.
I personally couldn't imagine that a man dying on his own accord, from cardi
I think justice will agree with my assesment, but I can understand your poin I appreciate that you have an opinion, sans the racism. :P
This is WHY we have a justice system... For both our sakes, we need it in th
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I personally couldn't imagine that a man dying on his own accord, from
cardi arrest, would need any type of restraining at all... I saw from
beginning to end; the man was communicating and the officer took the
life out of him- we it.
he was jacked up on drugs. there was a struggle because he was kicking in the suv. they took him out and restrained him and he died of a heart attack.
he was on a lot of drugs and he had a lot of medical issues.
either way, he shouldnt have been breaking the law, he shouldnt have been on drugs and he shouldnt have resisted arrest. that's why he's dead.
s/there is no THEY/there shoud be no THEY/
We are all just people. Your worth is the same as mine, the same as black humans, the same as the next.
Given all that, a man talking, yelling... BEGGING, doesn't show to me a huma who is dying of a heart attack.
Moondog wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: Re: Demonstrations?
By: Dennisk to MRO on Thu Jun 11 2020 09:30 am
I don't think the problem is Black people. The problem is identity politics Antagonism between different groups of people is a fixed human trait, and fr what I see here in Australia, a lot of this protest appears to be a power struggle. A lot of what humans do is about asserting power and dominance. This is starting in other Western countries too.
In the 20th century a belief arose that this human dynamic was not important and could be overcome, that you could have nations where people are united b proposition only. Many conservatives still believe this, but the progressiv have realised this and therefore are ahead of the game. This idea is unravelling, as are many of the other ideals of the past (European Union, Neo-Liberalism, Globalism).
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Other than what I've seen in movies, I never looked deep into
Australia's situation with Aboriginals. From what I've seen, it
appears to be in the early to mid 20th century there was a war on aboriginal culture and an attempt to assimilate the younger generation into mainstream society, specific ally those of mixed heritage. How is that time period viewed by modern Aussie
culture?
Other than what I've seen in movies, I never looked deep into Australia's situation with Aboriginals. From what I've seen, it appears to be in the early to mid 20th century there was a war on aboriginal culture and an attempt to assimilate the younger generation into mainstream society, specific ally those of mixed heritage. How is that time period viewed by modern Aussie
culture?
That is true, to some degree. It is a matter of interpretation. Some interprettthe actions as attempts to remove Aboriginals from potentially tox situations. I think any attempt to assimilate out a people is deplorable. More and more it is seen as a source of shame, which I don't think is helpfu The best thing we can do, is ensure mutual respect and good treatment, but there seems to be a lot of focus on guilt-tripping Australians.
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paulie420 wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: Re: Demonstrations?
By: Dennisk to MRO on Thu Jun 11 2020 09:30 am
I don't think the problem is Black people. The problem is identity politics. Antagonism between different groups of people is a fixed human trait, and from what I see here in Australia, a lot of this protest appears to be a power struggle. A lot of what humans do is about asserting power and dominance. This is starting in other Western countries too.
I also don't think the problem is [only] police violence against black Americans... its more police violence against a social class... or an attitude-class;
meaning, we send cops into these gang infested areas.. or into people
who held an I hate police attitude... and we wanted to protect them. So
we gave them the ability to act strongly and make sure they came home
at night.
Its out of hand... we need to change what we WANT out of a police
force... take away their ability to use such force. It isn't about cops killing black people; its about cops killing people.
I know I am a cynic, but I am a bit tired of being told that everybody is equal
by people who is more equal than the rest... It just does not match reality in >my experience.
I do not believe it necessarily was racially motivated, though. Supposedly this cop was a dumbass who had done stupid things before. Were all of his victims non-white? The other three cops involved, who watched and
apparently did nothing, were non-white.
Closer to home, the victim that people have been out on the streets for
going on two weeks now was black also. However, it happened at night
while they were in bed sleeping, the three cops involved may not have
known who lived there (that part has been reported differently in the news) as
they were serving a warrant regarding a third person who was not on the premisses at the time. One thing that is consistent in all of the stories is that
the cops were shot at, and one was hit, early on during the confrontation.
While that protest has been somewhat about police overreach (and the use of no-knock warrants), most of the protesters have turned it into a black vs. white
thing. As we learn more about the detective that swore out the warrant (but was
not involved in it being served), some details could come out that make it appear
to be more than it does now. As it is, it sounds like someone screwed up but that
it might not be racially motivated or even criminal.
I know I am a cynic, but I am a bit tired of being told that everybody is e >by people who is more equal than the rest... It just does not match reality >my experience.
+ 1
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So are these demonstrations and riots going to change anything? Why or Wh not?
The demonstrations will end when some real change has happened or perhaps wh the demonstrators run out of steam. There does appear to be some real change happening.
Rioting and looting are a different thing.
Ttyl :-),
Al
I don't know all the facts here but it shows the real life threat that cops ca
face.
Most cops that I have met are good cops who try their best to do the right thing
and to serve & protect.
Some cops I have come across seem to think they are serving in some sort of military. Police are not military and I am not the enemy.
The role of police is to serve and protect, not to dominate.
Yes, some have genuine motives, and want to end police brutality, and I do >agree that the police have become overly militarised and hostile. But there is
so much else being pushed that makes me think that for many activists, this is >just the excuse for identity politics.
The demonstrations will end when some real change has happened or perhaps when >the demonstrators run out of steam. There does appear to be some real change >happening.
Rioting and looting are a different thing.
Unfortunately the looting and rioting is happening amongs the peaceful protesters, and it's hard to separate who is who.
Agreed. Seeing it spread outside of the USA makes it seem even more like an organized agenda activity vs. something happening just because of what went on in Minnesota.
Some good, and some not-thought-out knee-jerk changes that are just going to lead to more trouble in the long run.
Re: Demonstrations?
By: Moondog to Al on Sun Jun 14 2020 11:48 am
Rioting and looting are a different thing.
Unfortunately the looting and rioting is happening amongs the peaceful protesters, and it's hard to separate who is who.
A demonstration can become a riot very easily when people are angry as seems
That doesn't make rioting or looting OK. It never is. We really need solutio
Ttyl :-),
Al
Rioting and looting are a different thing.
Unfortunately the looting and rioting is happening amongs the peaceful protesters, and it's hard to separate who is who.
A demonstration can become a riot very easily when people are angry as seems be the case in the early days of the unrest.
That doesn't make rioting or looting OK. It never is. We really need solutio to the underlying problems if we hope to move beyond this cycle.
I like the idea of dropping a lot of the current unions. In some cases polic fire cops that end up back on the job because of the contacts. Police should well paid and have a good contract, but departments should be able to fire c
Indeed. Destroying cars and people's property is the worst way to send a message. I think it's odd how peopole want the police to "self police" themselves and boot out the bad apples, while peaceful protesters will by no means tell rioters to stop.
paulie420 wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: Re: Demonstrations?
By: Dennisk to MRO on Thu Jun 11 2020 09:30 am
I don't think the problem is Black people. The problem is identity politics. Antagonism between different groups of people is a fixed human trait, and from what I see here in Australia, a lot of this protest appears to be a power struggle. A lot of what humans do is about asserting power and dominance. This is starting in other Western countries too.
I also don't think the problem is [only] police violence against black Americans... its more police violence against a social class... or an attitude-class;
meaning, we send cops into these gang infested areas.. or into people
who held an I hate police attitude... and we wanted to protect them. So
we gave them the ability to act strongly and make sure they came home
at night.
Its out of hand... we need to change what we WANT out of a police
force... take away their ability to use such force. It isn't about cops killing black people; its about cops killing people.
Moondog wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: Re: Demonstrations?
By: Dennisk to Moondog on Fri Jun 12 2020 11:01 pm
Other than what I've seen in movies, I never looked deep into Australia's situation with Aboriginals. From what I've seen, it appears to be in the early to mid 20th century there was a war on aboriginal culture and an attempt to assimilate the younger generation into mainstream society, specific ally those of mixed heritage. How is that time period viewed by modern Aussie
culture?
That is true, to some degree. It is a matter of interpretation. Some interprettthe actions as attempts to remove Aboriginals from potentially tox situations. I think any attempt to assimilate out a people is deplorable. More and more it is seen as a source of shame, which I don't think is helpfu The best thing we can do, is ensure mutual respect and good treatment, but there seems to be a lot of focus on guilt-tripping Australians.
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Thank you for the feedback. On satellite I used to get a film channel that showed internaitonal films, and I noticed quite few period pieces covered the subject directly or indirectly. It seems like the opposite
of what we seen in the US. If anyone had a mixed heritage, in the US
they were labeled as being the non-white side of the heritage, and segregated from mainstream culture. It appears it was the other way in Australia, where mixed heritage resulted in being integrated into
Aussie culture.
Tracker1 wrote to Moondog <=-
On 6/15/2020 6:18 AM, Moondog wrote:
Indeed. Destroying cars and people's property is the worst way to send a message. I think it's odd how peopole want the police to "self police" themselves and boot out the bad apples, while peaceful protesters will by no means tell rioters to stop.
Some of the smarter ones have... they know it kills their own message
and works against them. This CHAZ^wCHOP thing is really the best/worst example of how much lack of thought there is to some of the actions.
And how bad Seattle/WA is in terms of politics and leaning.
A lot of movie makers in Australia are quite "left" leaning, and often come from a
very specific social viewpoint. We are a small country, so most of these movie mak
probably all know each other. In the past yes, there was this thought that mixed r
people should be considered white. Now, it is the opposite. People who are a smal
fraction Aboriginal are considered Aboriginal. In fact, one columnist got into trou
for pointing out that some of these Aboriginals look just like white people. He wr
articles questining why people who would look white would be motivated to identify
Aboriginal.
Indeed. Destroying cars and people's property is the worst way to send a message. I think it's odd how peopole want the police to "self police" themselves and boot out the bad apples, while peaceful protesters will by no means tell rioters to stop.
....and there we have it. Time to end this. They also claim even if Trump sends in the military, they are ready for them.
If I were Trump I would just declare "I am sending federal boots if local governments ask for help, not if they claim they have it under control."
That way, if a city gets burned to the ground Trump can sell it as a failure from local authorities to ask for help; if he sends the tanks in, he can say local authorities requested them. I know I am a bad cynic evil person, but the idea of letting a place that is not going to support me in any case burn to rubble because they are too proud to ask for my help does not sound too bad.
I also don't think the problem is [only] police violence against
black Americans... its more police violence against a social
class... or an attitude-class;
meaning, we send cops into these gang infested areas.. or into
people who held an I hate police attitude... and we wanted to
protect them. So we gave them the ability to act strongly and make
sure they came home at night.
Its out of hand... we need to change what we WANT out of a police
force... take away their ability to use such force. It isn't about
cops
killing black people; its about cops killing people.
Well said. In Australia, politicians are wanting to follow the American model.
Cops in darker uniforms, with bigger guns. It's not necessary, and just distances police from their community.
Police must be seen as THE community. In this sense, I think the protestors who want to defund the police are making a valid point (albeit very poorly and in an extreme way). Our enforcers should be us, people of our community to protect and serve us. It doesn't appear that way now.
I think its insane that we just buckled and gave in to demands of people through th
violence. (And I'm not talking about the police.)
paulie420 wrote to Dennisk <=-
I agree with you - it angers me that just 3 months ago, our
doctors nurses and first responders were literally seen trying to
take on coronavirus in GARBAGE BAGS, while the police force had
on thousands of dollars of riot gear and weapons to use again the
public. Crazy man....
Arelor wrote to Dennisk <=-
I love how people considers other people to belong to a certain group
or to another, without asking them how they feel about it. I mean,
people should be considered to belong to the ethnic group they identify with. Not with the group some politician wants them to be in.
paulie420 wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: Re: Demonstrations?
By: Dennisk to MRO on Thu Jun 11 2020 09:30 am
I don't think the problem is Black people. The problem is identity politics. Antagonism between different groups of people is a fixed huma trait, and from what I see here in Australia, a lot of this protest appears to be a power struggle. A lot of what humans do is about assert power and dominance. This is starting in other Western countries too.
I also don't think the problem is [only] police violence against black Americans... its more police violence against a social class... or an attitude-class;
meaning, we send cops into these gang infested areas.. or into people who held an I hate police attitude... and we wanted to protect them. So we gave them the ability to act strongly and make sure they came home at night.
Its out of hand... we need to change what we WANT out of a police force... take away their ability to use such force. It isn't about cops killing black people; its about cops killing people.
Well said. In Australia, politicians are wanting to follow the American mod
Cops in darker uniforms, with bigger guns. It's not necessary, and just distances police from their community.
Police must be seen as THE community. In this sense, I think the protestors who want to defund the police are making a valid point (albeit very poorly a in an extreme way). Our enforcers should be us, people of our community to protect and serve us. It doesn't appear that way now.
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A lot of movie makers in Australia are quite "left" leaning, and often come from a very specific social viewpoint. We are a small country, so most of these movie makers probably all know each other. In the past yes, there was this thought that mixed race people should be considered white. Now, it is opposite. People who are a small fraction Aboriginal are considered Aboriginal. In fact, one columnist got into trouble for pointing out that so of these Aboriginals look just like white people. He wrote articles questin why people who would look white would be motivated to identify as Aboriginal
That is one of the ideological topics where you are kind of required to foll the orthodoxy, so I won't comment further.
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Re: Demonstrations?
By: Moondog to Al on Mon Jun 15 2020 09:18 am
Indeed. Destroying cars and people's property is the worst way to send a message. I think it's odd how peopole want the police to "self police" themselves and boot out the bad apples, while peaceful protesters will by means tell rioters to stop.
I completely agree. The sad thing, though, is that destroying peoples prope appears to be working when it comes to forcing change.
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I don't think Tanks are appropriate for domestic use by government, full stop.
On 06-17-20 20:37, Dennisk wrote to paulie420 <=-
Well said. In Australia, politicians are wanting to follow the
American model.
Cops in darker uniforms, with bigger guns. It's not necessary, and
just distances police from their community.
Police must be seen as THE community. In this sense, I think the
protestors who want to defund the police are making a valid point
(albeit very poorly and in an extreme way). Our enforcers should be
us, people of our community to protect and serve us. It doesn't appear that way now.
On 06-17-20 12:59, Arelor wrote to Dennisk <=-
I love how people considers other people to belong to a certain group
or to another, without asking them how they feel about it. I mean,
people should be considered to belong to the ethnic group they identify with. Not with the group some politician wants them to be in.
Moondog wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: Re: Demonstrations?
By: Dennisk to paulie420 on Wed Jun 17 2020 08:37 pm
paulie420 wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: Re: Demonstrations?
By: Dennisk to MRO on Thu Jun 11 2020 09:30 am
I don't think the problem is Black people. The problem is identity politics. Antagonism between different groups of people is a fixed huma trait, and from what I see here in Australia, a lot of this protest appears to be a power struggle. A lot of what humans do is about assert power and dominance. This is starting in other Western countries too.
I also don't think the problem is [only] police violence against black Americans... its more police violence against a social class... or an attitude-class;
meaning, we send cops into these gang infested areas.. or into people who held an I hate police attitude... and we wanted to protect them. So we gave them the ability to act strongly and make sure they came home at night.
Its out of hand... we need to change what we WANT out of a police force... take away their ability to use such force. It isn't about cops killing black people; its about cops killing people.
Well said. In Australia, politicians are wanting to follow the American mod
Cops in darker uniforms, with bigger guns. It's not necessary, and just distances police from their community.
Police must be seen as THE community. In this sense, I think the protestors who want to defund the police are making a valid point (albeit very poorly a in an extreme way). Our enforcers should be us, people of our community to protect and serve us. It doesn't appear that way now.
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Police start out as members of the community, however I get the
impression after being exposed to the negative side of society for a
given amount of time along with requiring a certain amount of awareness and distrust in order to do the job contributes to the notion of conspiracy against the public.
I could never be a police officer because of those factors. I could
not roll up to a house where there were reports of domestic abuse, and find a wife and children that appear to be abused heavily. Not sure I could keep it calm and stay impartial when questioning the husband.
Any time an officer pulls over a car, they risk the chance of getting killed.
How do you tell the difference between someone who is nervous because they have never been pulled over before, or the guy whio is nervous because he was fleeing from a robbery? maybe he nervous because of the dead bodies in the trunk?
I knew an officer who arrived at a call where the clerk at a gas staton reported a shoplifter, but could not leave the store to stop the guy
from walking away. When he arrived, the suspect was still on site in
the parking lot, acting strange and was hiding something in his jacket.
He ordered the guy to show him both of his hands, and in one hand he
saw the flash of something shiny in the hand he had inside the jacket. Fearing for his life, he drew his gun and shot the guy from 60 feet
away. The guy had an aluminum can of beer in his hand. The officer
was cleared of any wrong doing, since the witness at the scene also
said it looked like he was pulling a weapon in the dimly lit area.
After an encounter like that, I doubt I could react quick like that if
my life depended on it. When a fraction of a second counts, there's no room for weighing all the outcomes. I guess it boils down to reading
body language and reading the tension in the situation.
Moondog wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: Re: Demonstrations?
By: Dennisk to Moondog on Wed Jun 17 2020 08:41 pm
A lot of movie makers in Australia are quite "left" leaning, and often come from a very specific social viewpoint. We are a small country, so most of these movie makers probably all know each other. In the past yes, there was this thought that mixed race people should be considered white. Now, it is opposite. People who are a small fraction Aboriginal are considered Aboriginal. In fact, one columnist got into trouble for pointing out that so of these Aboriginals look just like white people. He wrote articles questin why people who would look white would be motivated to identify as Aboriginal
That is one of the ideological topics where you are kind of required to foll the orthodoxy, so I won't comment further.
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Interesting. In the US we have some situations where people claim to
be an ethnicity there are not in order to gain some sort of benefit or attention to their advantage. Due to treaties that pre-date US law, Native Americans are given some special treament or lee way in certain situations, and the major tr ibes try to keep as best records as
possible to track lineage and record who is considered a member of
their tribes. I had a friend who was 1/8th Native Amercian (not sure which tribe) and he could've received scholarships based on his
heritage. For some reason he wasn't documented properly, and was
turned down. Even though he was 1/8 Native American, his skin and prominent facial features were definitely Native American. It's sort
of sad because I've seen others who look like generic white folk who
get get percentage checks from being tribe members because of the local tribal casino.
On 06-17-20 12:59, Arelor wrote to Dennisk <=-
I love how people considers other people to belong to a certain group or to another, without asking them how they feel about it. I mean, people should be considered to belong to the ethnic group they identify with. Not with the group some politician wants them to be in.
That would be too easy. :)
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On 06-19-20 16:04, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I worked with a dude from South Africa, and his heritage was English
and Dutch. His family had been in South Africa since the early 1800's.
When he would fill out ethnicity on forms, he would claim he was
On 06-19-20 16:04, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I worked with a dude from South Africa, and his heritage was English and Dutch. His family had been in South Africa since the early 1800's.
When he would fill out ethnicity on forms, he would claim he was
That sounds like a problem with the ethnic classifications.
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On 06-20-20 09:40, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-
It is a problem, and he was trying to prove how it made little sense outside the US.
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