"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol
building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."

That's an exact quote. You can fact-check that, and I hope you do.
Now tell me: How is that "inciting violence"?

Because "peaceful" is a buzz-word for leftists that means "go start a riot
that the press will try to sell as 'peaceful'". So, any leftist that sees
that quote thinks Trump was doing the same.


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Banned from various social media sites you mean? That was because
of his lies and misinformation.

You want lies and mis information look at the 3 & 1/2 year Russia Hoax.

That was not a hoax. There is a long list of those indicted, tried, convicted and jailed. Several of Trump's cronies have since been pardoned or had their sentence commuted.

What mis-Information? Just because you buy into the fake news media agenda who BTW vomit non stop mis-information, the Media cannot be trusted they are an arm of the DNC agenda.

It is non stop misinformation that started with Trump. Things like "We won the election, by a lot", are simply baseless lies.

He did NOT incite an insurrection, he made it very clear that we have the right to peacefully protest and he pushed the peaceful protest aspect.

Of course people have the right to protest. That was the case long before Donald Trump. People also can go ahead and spout any amount of outright lies and misinformation, that does not make any of it true.

Donald Trump, along with Don Jr and Rudy Giuliani incited that insurrection. Those people were not ordering pizza.

Ttyl :-),
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Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-

"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."

That's an exact quote. You can fact-check that, and I hope you do.
Now tell me: How is that "inciting violence"?

Because "peaceful" is a buzz-word for leftists that means "go
start a riot that the press will try to sell as 'peaceful'". So,
any leftist that sees that quote thinks Trump was doing the same.

Heh, good point.

Kinda like how they did "peaceful" protests in Seattle and Portland,
and then.... tried to paint the Feds as the bad guys for eventually
trying to put a stop to their nonsense.

Freakin pathetic. Hypocrisy and double-standards abound.



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Re: Re: GAB
By: Gamgee to Dumas Walker on Thu Jan 28 2021 08:01 pm

Because "peaceful" is a buzz-word for leftists that means "go
start a riot that the press will try to sell as 'peaceful'". So,
any leftist that sees that quote thinks Trump was doing the same.

Heh, good point.

Kinda like how they did "peaceful" protests in Seattle and Portland,
and then.... tried to paint the Feds as the bad guys for eventually trying to put a stop to their nonsense.

I live near Portland, and I don't know who all was behind the protests, but I doubt it was entirely leftists. I assumed it was just general crazy people with nothing better to do.. Some poeple are just crazy, regardless of any political party.

Nightfox

Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

Because "peaceful" is a buzz-word for leftists that means "go
start a riot that the press will try to sell as 'peaceful'". So,
any leftist that sees that quote thinks Trump was doing the same.

Heh, good point.

Kinda like how they did "peaceful" protests in Seattle and Portland,
and then.... tried to paint the Feds as the bad guys for eventually
trying to put a stop to their nonsense.

I live near Portland, and I don't know who all was behind the
protests, but I doubt it was entirely leftists. I assumed it was
just general crazy people with nothing better to do.. Some
poeple are just crazy, regardless of any political party.

From what I can tell, all that stuff was done by BLM and Antifa type
groups, which are PREDOMINATELY leftist. I'm sure there were some general-purpose "anarchists" there too, yes. Assholes who like to
show up and instigate/escalate things, just for the enjoyment of it.



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Kinda like how they did "peaceful" protests in Seattle and Portland,
and then.... tried to paint the Feds as the bad guys for eventually
trying to put a stop to their nonsense.

Freakin pathetic. Hypocrisy and double-standards abound.

I agree. They got a lot of people to buy their excuse, too, especially
those that didn't realize that the folks in those towns had been behaving
badly before the BLM movement. The temporarily adopted BLM to try to give their nonsense some legitimacy but, several months later, I think it is
pretty obvious those protesters never cared about the BLM message.


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On 1/28/2021 3:21 PM, Al wrote:

You want lies and mis information look at the 3 & 1/2 year
Russia Hoax.

That was not a hoax. There is a long list of those indicted,
tried, convicted and jailed. Several of Trump's cronies have
since been pardoned or had their sentence commuted.

Could you name a few people that were convicted of illegal
collusion with Russia? My understanding is that one of them
was a known CIA asset and the rest were convicted and/or tried
for other charges. Some by illegal wiretaps.
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Could you name a few people that were convicted of illegal
collusion with Russia? My understanding is that one of them
was a known CIA asset and the rest were convicted and/or tried
for other charges. Some by illegal wiretaps.

Here's a quick and dirty list I gathered from various sources. It is old, incomplete and unauthoritative.

The Russia investigation or "The Witch Hunt" or "The Russia Hoax".

Roger Stone sentenced to 3+ years on 7 charges including lying to congress, obstruction and witness tampering. Commuted by Donald Trump.

Paul Manafort sentenced sentenced to 7.5 years in jail for obstruction of justice and lobbying crimes.

Guilty Plea: Maria Butina. Conspiracy to act as an illegal Russian agent. Guilty Plea: Michael Cohen. Lying to congress.
Guilty Plea: Paul Manafort. Conspiracy to commit money laundering and tax
fraud.
Guilty Plea: Paul Manafort. Conspiracy to obstruct justice.
Guilty Plea: Michael Flynn. Lying to the FBI.
Guilty Plea: George Papadopoulos. Lying to the FBI.
Guilty Plea: Richard Pinedo. Identity fraud.
Guilty Plea: Alex van der Zwaan. Lying to the FBI.
Guilty Plea: Rick Gates. Finacial fraud and lying to the FBI.

12 Russian intel officers indicted for hacking DNC to sabotage 2016
election.

Indicted: Viktor Netyksho
Indicted: Boris Antonov
Indicted: Dmirty Badin
Indicted: Ivan Yermakov
Indicted: Aleksey Lukashev
Indicted: Sergey Morgachev
Indicted: Nikolay Kozachek
Indicted: Pavel Yershov
Indicted: Artem Malyshev
Indicted: Aleksandr Osadchuk
Indicted: Aleksey Potemkin
Indicted: Anatoliy Prigozhin
Indicted: Mikhail Bystrov
Indicted: Mikhail Burchik
Indicted: Aleksandra Krylova
Indicted: Anna Bogacheva
Indicted: Sergey Polozov
Indicted: Maria Bovda
Indicted: Robert Bovda
Indicted: Dzheykhun Aslanov
Indicted: Vadim Podkopaev
Indicted: Gleb Vasilchenko
Indicted: Irina Kaverzina
Indicted: Vladimir Venkov
Indicted: Konstantin Kilimnik
Indicted: Internet Research Agency
Indicted: Concord Management
Indicted: Concord Agency

Over 100 Criminal Charges including:

Conspiracy against the USA (3 counts)
Conspiracy to launder money (2 counts)
Bank fraud (10 counts)
Subscribing to false tax returns (10 counts)
Making false statements (11 counts)
Failure to file reports of foreign bank accounts (14 counts)
Unregistered agent of a foreign principal (2 counts)
False FARA statements (2 counts)
Assisting in preparation of false tax documents (5 counts)
Conspiracy to defraud the United States (13 counts)
Conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud (2 counts)
Aggravated identity theft (24 counts)
Witness tampering (2 counts)
Obstuction of justice
Conspiracy to obstruct justice
Lying to congress
Obstruction of proceeding

Ttyl :-),
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On 1/29/2021 9:38 AM, Nightfox wrote:

I live near Portland, and I don't know who all was behind
the protests, but I doubt it was entirely leftists. I
assumed it was just general crazy people with nothing better
to do.. Some poeple are just crazy, regardless of any
political party.

Portland happens to have a very large AntiFa footing, and
given its' roots heavily correlates to communism as well
as an uptake by left leaning anarchists. Mostly a bunch of
spoiled children who don't understand actual hardship and
looking for something to make themselves feel better, raging
against what they feel as a corrupt system gives them that.

Seattle, by proximity and general wealth in the area is very
similar. My own theory is that it comes from those that come
from a relatively wealthy upbringing combined with generational
identity politics in schools, particularly higher education
which the area has a higher than average participation in.

There's similar uptake in Salt Lake City as well. Ironically,
outside of the San Francisco area, the bed of leftism
(California) doesn't have near the participation in identity
politics.
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Re: Re: GAB
By: Tracker1 to Nightfox on Thu Feb 04 2021 03:53 am

Portland happens to have a very large AntiFa footing, and
given its' roots heavily correlates to communism as well
as an uptake by left leaning anarchists. Mostly a bunch of
spoiled children who don't understand actual hardship and
looking for something to make themselves feel better, raging
against what they feel as a corrupt system gives them that.

I want to focus on your correlation of communism and its relation to ANTIFA. Communism, by definition, is a system based around a theory of economic equality and advocation for a classes society. Facism, on the other hand, is a nationalistic, top-down system with rigid class roles that is ruled by an all-powerful dictator.

From an article in Forbes by Harry Binswanger on November 13, 2013, "Fascism and communism are two variants of statism. Both are forms of dictatorship. Neither one recognizes individual rights nor permits individual freedom. The differents are non-essential: facism is racial statism and communism is statism of economic class."

The concept of ANTIFA, as a movement, is the rejection of a facist society. Donald Trump led, in a manner similar to that of a business, from the top down. He ordered, people followed. He removed any potential adversaries along the way through executive action. The checks and balances of our government were almost completely eliminated under Trump. For example, exerting power over Congress, changing the judiciary, negative action against whistleblowers, and the list goes on and on.

For example, in an article from The Atlantic (Congress Has Losts Its Power Over Trump, Kimberly Wehle, February 4, 2020), "Trump's withholding of $391 million in Senate-approved aid to Ukraine...violated the Impoundment Control Act." Continuing, "...the Senate is saying to Trump and all future presidents that they can ignore Congress's appropriations decisions without consequence. Trump can withhold or spend money as he likes--even if Congress has already said otherwise."

This is facism, clear and simple.

Our government, via the Constitution, is designed to put a check on each branch of the government. Trump wanted to do something, he did it. He led with an iron fist. Facism. Dictatorship. Clear and simple.

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Re: Re: GAB
By: Dream Master to Tracker1 on Thu Feb 04 2021 11:51 am

This is facism, clear and simple.

Our government, via the Constitution, is designed to put a check on each branch of the government. Tr
wanted to do something, he did it. He led with an iron fist. Facism. Dictatorship. Clear and simpl

From somebody from a country that has been under the actual boot of an actual fascism regime, had state
sponsored terrorism operate within its borders and had the strategic sectors controlled by State
appointed Unions and comissars from the Falange...

... I suspect you don't quite get how a fascist model actually works.

No hard feelings or anything.

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Guilty Plea: Maria Butina. Conspiracy to act as an illegal Russian agent.

If that is who I think it is, she was also in Hillary's orbit at one point.


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Re: Re: GAB
By: Arelor to Dream Master on Thu Feb 04 2021 05:06 pm

From somebody from a country that has been under the actual boot of an actual fascism regime, had state sponsored terrorism operate within its borders and had the strategic sectors controlled by State appointed Unions and comissars from the Falange...

We are talking one extreme to another. A "blanket wearing" Republic is still a Republic in everyone elses eyes. To the same extent, in America we can make the statement that Donald Trump was a democratic leader but we all know full well that he was trying to recreate the country into an authoratarian / facist political malestrom.

... I suspect you don't quite get how a fascist model actually works.

Again, extents.

No hard feelings or anything.

This is a free discourse of ideas. I take no offense or experience any hard feelings whatsoever.

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Re: Re: GAB
By: Dream Master to Tracker1 on Thu Feb 04 2021 11:51 am

without consequence. Trump can withhold or spend money as he likes--even if Congress has already said otherwise."

This is facism, clear and simple.

Our government, via the Constitution, is designed to put a check on each branch of the government. Trump wanted to do something, he did it. He led with an iron fist. Facism. Dictatorship. Clear and simple.

that's the way you see it, but that is not true. he followed our laws and used the methods in the executive branch.

i wish trump WAS a facist dictator. it would have been great for him to storm in with his private army and hold mock trials on all the democrats that fuck the american people. then he could be in power for as long as he wanted and his daughter would then take his place or his son. we'd all be better off.

it's sad that that's true, but that's how bad the democratic party is right now. we'd be better off if someone that knows what they are doing took the country by force.
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Re: Re: GAB
By: Arelor to Dream Master on Thu Feb 04 2021 05:06 pm

From somebody from a country that has been under the actual boot of an actual fascism regime, had state sponsored terrorism operate within its borders and had the strategic sectors controlled by State appointed Unions and comissars from the Falange...

... I suspect you don't quite get how a fascist model actually works.

No hard feelings or anything.

americans like to complain [it's our right] and they don't understand how
good we have it. that's why someone from another country can come here and
do very well. then they develop racist feelings for those groups because they're jealous.
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Re: Re: GAB
By: Dumas Walker to AL on Thu Feb 04 2021 03:19 pm

Guilty Plea: Maria Butina. Conspiracy to act as an illegal Russian
agent.

If that is who I think it is, she was also in Hillary's orbit at one point.

I don't know who she is or what role she played. I hope that your justice system can catch and punish those who commit these crimes.

I can say that it is not a hoax regardless of how many times Donald Trump or his supporters say it.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Re: Re: GAB
By: Tracker1 to Nightfox on
Thu Feb 04 2021 03:53 am

Portland happens to have a very large AntiFa footing, and
given its' roots heavily correlates to communism as well
as an uptake by left leaning anarchists. Mostly a bunch of
spoiled children who don't understand actual hardship and
looking for something to make themselves feel better, raging
against what they feel as a corrupt system gives them that.

I want to focus on your correlation of communism and its
relation to ANTIFA. Communism, by definition, is a system based around
a theory of economic equality and advocation for a classes society. Facism, on the other hand, is a nationalistic, top-down system with
rigid class roles that is ruled by an all-powerful dictator.

From an article in Forbes by Harry Binswanger on November 13, 2013, "Fascism and communism are two variants of statism. Both are forms of dictatorship. Neither one recognizes individual rights nor permits individual freedom. The differents are non-essential: facism is racial statism and communism is statism of economic class."

The concept of ANTIFA, as a movement, is the rejection of a facist society. Donald Trump led, in a manner similar to that of a business, from the top down. He ordered, people followed. He removed any
potential adversaries along the way through executive action. The
checks and balances of our government were almost completely eliminated under Trump. For example, exerting power over Congress, changing the judiciary, negative action against whistleblowers, and the list goes on and on.

For example, in an article from The Atlantic (Congress Has Losts Its
Power Over Trump, Kimberly Wehle, February 4, 2020), "Trump's
withholding of $391 million in Senate-approved aid to
Ukraine...violated the Impoundment Control Act." Continuing, "...the Senate is saying to Trump and all future presidents that they can
ignore Congress's appropriations decisions without consequence. Trump
can withhold or spend money as he likes--even if Congress has already
said otherwise."

This is facism, clear and simple.

Our government, via the Constitution, is designed to put a check on
each branch of the government. Trump wanted to do something, he did
it. He led with an iron fist. Facism. Dictatorship. Clear and
simple.

The concept of Antifa WAS an anti-fascist movement. That was a long, long time ago. Today it is anarchist punks who use force against anyone they unilaterally want to pin the "fascist" label on.

Now that the Dem's and Big Tech are waging war on anyone with a different political opinion, with corporations and the government colluding to maintain their political and social vision, I'm sure this is completely unlike fascism... The merger of state and corporate power is some other system, isn't it?

So antifa claim they are anti-fascist. Big deal. They ACT in a fascistic manner, and that is what counts.

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Re: Re: GAB
By: Dumas Walker to AL on Thu Feb 04 2021 03:19 pm

Guilty Plea: Maria Butina. Conspiracy to act as an illegal Russian
agent.

If that is who I think it is, she was also in Hillary's orbit at one point.

I don't know who she is or what role she played. I hope that your
justice system can catch and punish those who commit these
crimes.

I can say that it is not a hoax regardless of how many times
Donald Trump or his supporters say it.

I can say that it's all bullshit regardless of how many times Joe Biden or
his supporters (and you) say it isn't.

Who's right? Who actually knows the truth? Nobody.



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Re: Re: GAB
By: MRO to Dream Master on Thu Feb 04 2021 08:34 pm

that's the way you see it, but that is not true. he followed our laws and used the methods in the executive branch.

You're making a joke, right?

i wish trump WAS a facist dictator. it would have been great for him to storm in with his private army and hold mock trials on all the democrats that fuck the american people. then he could be in power for as long as he wanted and his daughter would then take his place or his son. we'd all be better off.

Wow. Just wow. This is a complete 180 from what the Republican Party stands for. Democrats do not destroy America; they improve the economy, create more jobs, fight for the rights of the people and not businesses, and improve the view of America on the world stage.

it's sad that that's true, but that's how bad the democratic party is right now. we'd be better off if someone that knows what they are doing took the country by force.

Wow. I've got nothing.

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Re: Re: GAB
By: Dream Master to MRO on Fri Feb 05 2021 07:59 am

Wow. Just wow. This is a complete 180 from what the Republican Party stand for. Democrats do not destroy America; they improve the economy, create mor jobs, fight for the rights of the people and not businesses, and improve the view of America on the world stage.

Save the propaganda. Democrats work to improve their own standing but it is obvious they are working hard to split the US into manageable groups via identitary politics.

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... I suspect you don't quite get how a fascist model actually works.

No hard feelings or anything.

In the USA, fascist usually means "someone I didn't vote for" or "don't
like" or "a Republican." Or some mix of the three.

Most Americans these days don't realize that authoritarian socialism / communism has a lot more in common with true fascism than anything we have experienced since the end of the Revolutionary War.

When they get what they want, I hope it is after I have died of old age.


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statement that Donald Trump was a democratic leader but we all know full well
hat he was trying to recreate the country into an authoratarian / facist polit
al malestrom.

Those of us citizens who were not busy crapping ourselves because the Bad Orange Man got elected and Hillary did not really did not have any perceivable loss of freedom during his four years, nor were we under any threat of such.

If he was really an authoritarian or fascist, that would most certainly not have been true.


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I want to focus on your correlation of communism and its
relation to ANTIFA. Communism, by definition, is a system based around
a theory of economic equality and advocation for a classes society.
Facism, on the other hand, is a nationalistic, top-down system with
rigid class roles that is ruled by an all-powerful dictator.

Communism on a small scale, where everyone volunteers to join up, like in a commune, is what you describe. Communism as a governing system can never
work that way because most people don't want to give up their freedom.

Communism in practice = fascism with a slightly different economic picture.
Both require a strong central government, often ruled by a single dictator that is in power as long as he/she/the party decides they should be, and a
near complete loss of freedom for everyone who is not in the ruling elite.

In other words, for most citizens, very little different from fascism.

Something you ironically seem to accept, and contradict yourself with, in
the very next paragraph:

From an article in Forbes by Harry Binswanger on November 13, 2013, "Fascism and communism are two variants of statism. Both are forms of dictatorship. Neither one recognizes individual rights nor permits individual freedom. The differents are non-essential: facism is racial statism and communism is statism of economic class."

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The concept of Antifa WAS an anti-fascist movement. That was a long, long time
ago. Today it is anarchist punks who use force against anyone they >unilaterally want to pin the "fascist" label on.

I am shocked he even admitted that there was an Antifa. As is, I didn't
notice him admitting that it was active in the Pacific NW of the US before Trump got elected.

So they were active under Obama's Democratic presidency, too.

So antifa claim they are anti-fascist. Big deal. They ACT in a fascistic manner, and that is what counts.

Yes.


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I can say that it is not a hoax regardless of how many times
Donald Trump or his supporters say it.

I can say that it's all bullshit regardless of how many times Joe Biden or his supporters (and you) say it isn't.

Who's right? Who actually knows the truth? Nobody.

Al is a Canadian with TDS. He knows WAY more about our President than us
dumb Americans do.


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Democrats do not destroy America; they improve the economy, create more jobs , fight for the rights of the people and not businesses, and improve the view
America on the world stage.

Now I know why you call yourself Dream Master... you live in a dreamland.


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Re: Re: GAB
By: Gamgee to Al on Fri Feb 05 2021 08:28 am

I can say that it's all bullshit regardless of how many times Joe Biden or his supporters (and you) say it isn't.

Yeah, you can say it.

Who's right? Who actually knows the truth? Nobody.

That's just silly.

Ttyl :-),
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Dream Master wrote to MRO <=-

Democrats do not destroy America; they improve
the economy, create more jobs, fight for the rights of the people
and not businesses, and improve the view of America on the world
stage.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! You've got to be kidding me.

Folks, this is a PERFECT example of how koolaid-slurping can (WILL) cause brain damage.



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Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-

I can say that it is not a hoax regardless of how many times
Donald Trump or his supporters say it.

I can say that it's all bullshit regardless of how many times Joe Biden or his supporters (and you) say it isn't.

Who's right? Who actually knows the truth? Nobody.

Al is a Canadian with TDS. He knows WAY more about our President
than us dumb Americans do.

Yep, I know. He knows way more about EVERYTHING here in America than us locals do.

There are Euro-commies in some of the Fido echos (most notably "FidoNews") that are the same way. They're so smart.



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Re: Re: GAB
By: Gamgee to Al on Fri Feb 05 2021 08:28 am

I can say that it is not a hoax regardless of how many times
Donald Trump or his supporters say it.

I can say that it's all bullshit regardless of how many times Joe Biden or his supporters (and you) say it isn't.

Who's right? Who actually knows the truth? Nobody.

Democrats feed the Mainstream media the narrative they want and the mainstream media NYT, CNN, MSNBC, Washington post and others use the exact phrases and key words their DNC Master's want them to use.
They all sound like one entity vomiting the same crap.
Russia collusion was a 3&1/2 year Hoax.
It was all about crybaby Democrats losing the 2016 election and they went batshit crazy.

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Re: Re: GAB
By: Dream Master to MRO on Fri Feb 05 2021 07:59 am

that's the way you see it, but that is not true. he followed our laws
and used the methods in the executive branch.

You're making a joke, right?

Wow. Just wow. This is a complete 180 from what the Republican Party stands for. Democrats do not destroy America; they improve the economy, create more jobs, fight for the rights of the people and not businesses, and improve the view of America on the world stage.

AH HA HA HA HA really?
Democrats destroy ecconomies just look at California as an example.
Democrats grow the Government while putting millions out of work.
Homlessness and welfare are out of controll in Democrat run states.
Who gives a shit about looking good on the world stage? I don't.
seems to me you're the one making the jokes.

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Re: Re: GAB
By: Dream Master to MRO on Fri Feb 05 2021 07:59 am

stands for. Democrats do not destroy America; they improve the economy, create more jobs, fight for the rights of the people and not businesses, and improve the view of America on the world stage.

okay, put down your crackpipe and look at the past democratic presidents.
look at what democratic politicians have even done in the past year.


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Re: Re: GAB
By: Dumas Walker to DREAM MASTER on Fri Feb 05 2021 05:05 pm

statement that Donald Trump was a democratic leader but we all know full well
hat he was trying to recreate the country into an authoratarian / facist polit
al malestrom.

Those of us citizens who were not busy crapping ourselves because the Bad Orange Man got elected and Hillary did not really did not have any perceivable loss of freedom during his four years, nor were we under any threat of such.

If he was really an authoritarian or fascist, that would most certainly not have been true.

anybody that thinks donald trump's years as a president hurt america or he is a facist is delusional and beyond all hope. they should be committed to an insane asylum.

the guy trolled his way into the presidency and did a better job than anybody else would have done. it's quit sad this was possible.

now our slave masters took control again and i'm sure we'll be in another war soon.
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Re: Re: GAB
By: Dumas Walker to DREAM MASTER on Fri Feb 05 2021 05:23 pm

Democrats do not destroy America; they improve the economy, create more jobs , fight for the rights of the people and not businesses, and improve the view
America on the world stage.

Now I know why you call yourself Dream Master... you live in a dreamland.

seriously, i was laid off for the first time in my life after obama got elected. and i voted for the guy.

democrats are NOT the good guys. i cant even trust any democrat candidate for ANYTHING now. it sucks because i voted for people based on what their goals were.
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Re: Re: GAB
By: Gamgee to Dream Master on Fri Feb 05 2021 08:25 pm

Democrats do not destroy America; they improve
the economy, create more jobs, fight for the rights of the people
and not businesses, and improve the view of America on the world
stage.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! You've got to be kidding me.

Folks, this is a PERFECT example of how koolaid-slurping can (WILL) cause brain damage.

Funny. I've never seen a single Republican in modern times fight for the economy, create more jobs, the rights of the people, and improve the standing of America throughout the world. You can say whatever you like about it, but the truth remains, Republicans since the 90s have done nothing but set us further back while Democrats move us forward.

Kool-Aid, sorry, it's the facts.
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Re: Re: GAB
By: Denn to Dream Master on Fri Feb 05 2021 09:27 pm

AH HA HA HA HA really?

Yes, really!

Democrats destroy ecconomies just look at California as an example.

California has the largest economy in the United States with a $3.2 trillion gross state product as of 2019. If it were a nation, it would rank as the fifth largest economy ahead of India but behind Germany.

Democrats grow the Government while putting millions out of work.

Again, no. You have no basis for making this statement as it is grossly incorrect.

Homlessness and welfare are out of controll in Democrat run states.

Hmmm, explain most of the south and central states that are Republican led.

Who gives a shit about looking good on the world stage? I don't.

When was the last time you traveled around the world and were reminded that we had the stupidest president on the planet.

seems to me you're the one making the jokes.

Thank you. I'm here all night.
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Dream Master wrote to Gamgee <=-

Democrats do not destroy America; they improve
the economy, create more jobs, fight for the rights of the people
and not businesses, and improve the view of America on the world
stage.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! You've got to be kidding me.

Folks, this is a PERFECT example of how koolaid-slurping can (WILL) cause brain damage.

Funny. I've never seen a single Republican in modern times fight
for the economy, create more jobs, the rights of the people, and
improve the standing of America throughout the world. You can
say whatever you like about it, but the truth remains,
Republicans since the 90s have done nothing but set us further
back while Democrats move us forward.

Where were you for the last four years??? Jobs? Trump reduced
unemployment levels to ALL-TIME LOWS! Especially true in minority communities. Are you aware of that? I'll say it again: ALL TIME
HISTORICAL LOW numbers for unemployment.

Economy? Did you pay any attention to the stock market for the last four years? Do you have a 401(k)? How has it done over those four years?

Kool-Aid, sorry, it's the facts.

You seem to be delusional. Switch the channel away from CNN/MSNBC, it may help you understand. Slim chance, but maybe.


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Re: Re: GAB
By: Dream Master to Gamgee on Sat Feb 06 2021 12:32 am

Funny. I've never seen a single Republican in modern times fight for the economy, create more jobs, the rights of the people, and improve the standing of America throughout the world. You can say whatever you like about it, but the truth remains, Republicans since the 90s have done nothing but set us further back while Democrats move us forward.

TRUMP did, Unemployment was at a 50 year low until Corona.
Democrats push us more and more into government dependant socialism.
again look at California as the model for Democratic policy, Poverty there is at an all time high, Homlessness and welfare are at an all time high.
they keep adding taxes to fix roads that never get fixed.
the Democratic party as a whole is a complete total failure.

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Re: Re: GAB
By: Dream Master to Denn on Sat Feb 06 2021 01:47 am

AH HA HA HA HA really?

Yes, really!

Democrats destroy ecconomies just look at California as an example.

California has the largest economy in the United States with a $3.2 trillion gross state product as of 2019. If it were a nation, it would rank as the fifth largest economy ahead of India but behind Germany.

Face it, California is a complete ecconomic disaster, They tax everything and you get very little for your taxes.
Look at all the companies and people that are fleeing California.
Socailism has been tried again and again and it fails every time, same thing with Communism.

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now our slave masters took control again and i'm sure we'll be in another war on.

Yep. The places Joe is trolling aren't just little banana republics, either.


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seriously, i was laid off for the first time in my life after obama got elected
and i voted for the guy.

The only times I got laid off (3 of them) were all during the Clinton
Camelot era. My father swears up and down that Republicans are the root of
all evil when it comes to joblessness but, as a younger person, the only
time I ever remember him being truly worried about losing his job and the possibility of uprooting us and moving elsewhere was while Carter was President, and immediately after.


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Re: Re: GAB
By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Fri Feb 05 2021 11:26 pm

seriously, i was laid off for the first time in my life after obama got elected. and i voted for the guy.

democrats are NOT the good guys. i cant even trust any democrat candidate for ANYTHING now. it sucks because i voted for people based on what their goals were.

You think being laid off is caused by the president of the US? I've been laid off multiple times, once due to it being a small startup going out of business, then during a downsizing after the 2008 financial crisis (which happened during George W. Bush's presidency, BTW), and a company deciding to re-org.

Nightfox

Re: Re: GAB
By: Dream Master to Denn on Sat Feb 06 2021 01:47 am

Re: Re: GAB
By: Denn to Dream Master on Fri Feb 05 2021 09:27 pm

AH HA HA HA HA really?

Yes, really!

Democrats destroy ecconomies just look at California as an example.

California has the largest economy in the United States with a $3.2 trillion gross state product as of 2019. If it were a nation, it would rank as the fifth largest economy ahead of India but behind Germany.

why dont you just fucking invite wikipedia to the msg sub

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Re: Re: GAB
By: Denn to Dream Master on Sat Feb 06 2021 09:27 am

Re: Re: GAB
By: Dream Master to Denn on Sat Feb 06 2021 01:47 am

AH HA HA HA HA really?

Yes, really!

Democrats destroy ecconomies just look at California as an example.

California has the largest economy in the United States with a $3.2 trillion gross state product as of 2019. If it were a nation, it would rank as the fifth largest economy ahead of India but behind Germany.

Face it, California is a complete ecconomic disaster, They tax everything and you get very little for your taxes.
Look at all the companies and people that are fleeing California.
Socailism has been tried again and again and it fails every time, same thing with Communism.

yeah i hear all over about how they are going to texas. "bring your money, leave your socialist values" sez texas
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Re: Re: GAB
By: Nightfox to MRO on Sat Feb 06 2021 11:00 am

Re: Re: GAB
By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Fri Feb 05 2021 11:26 pm

seriously, i was laid off for the first time in my life after obama got elected. and i voted for the guy.

democrats are NOT the good guys. i cant even trust any democrat candidate for ANYTHING now. it sucks because i voted for people based on what their goals were.

You think being laid off is caused by the president of the US? I've been

absolutely in my case. obama made changes that affected my employer's industry.

laid off multiple times, once due to it being a small startup going out of business, then during a downsizing after the 2008 financial crisis (which happened during George W. Bush's presidency, BTW), and a company deciding to

that's your fault for working at small rinky dink companies.
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Dream Master wrote to MRO <=-

Wow. Just wow. This is a complete 180 from what the Republican Party stands for. Democrats do not destroy America; they improve the
economy, create more jobs, fight for the rights of the people and not businesses, and improve the view of America on the world stage.

I read that and thought that one party is Batman and the other Joker. They need each other, as there wouldn't be a need for one to exist without the other - and in their own minds they make their agenda "undoing" what the
other party did, in an endless cycle.

I'll leave which party is who as an exercise to the reader.


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Arelor wrote to Dream Master <=-

Save the propaganda. Democrats work to improve their own standing but
it is obvious they are working hard to split the US into manageable
groups via identitary politics.

Save the propaganda. Both parties work to improve their own standing but
it is obvious they are working hard to split the US into manageable
groups via identitary politics.

I fixed that for you.


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Denn wrote to Gamgee <=-

It was all about crybaby Democrats losing the 2016 election and they
went batshit crazy.

Yeah, I was disgusted when Hillary lost the popular vote, refused to
concede, continued to question the legitimacy of the election, then incited followers to march to the capital. Oh, wait, that didn't happen.


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Re: Re: GAB
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sat Feb 06 2021 02:14 pm

laid off multiple times, once due to it being a small startup going
out of business, then during a downsizing after the 2008 financial
crisis (which happened during George W. Bush's presidency, BTW), and a
company deciding to

that's your fault for working at small rinky dink companies.

One of them was Intel.. Intel isn't a small rinky dink company. They go through re-orgs a lot and have been known to lay off many people at a time.

Nightfox

Re: Re: GAB
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dream Master on Sat Feb 06 2021 08:24 am

Dream Master wrote to MRO <=-

Wow. Just wow. This is a complete 180 from what the Republican Party stands for. Democrats do not destroy America; they improve the economy, create more jobs, fight for the rights of the people and not businesses, and improve the view of America on the world stage.

I read that and thought that one party is Batman and the other Joker. They need each other, as there wouldn't be a need for one to exist without the other - and in their own minds they make their agenda "undoing" what the other party did, in an endless cycle.

I'll leave which party is who as an exercise to the reader.

you probably shouldnt comment on politics. this is the real world, not comics. there are actual changes parties make when they are in control that affect everyone.
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Re: Re: GAB
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Denn on Sat Feb 06 2021 08:28 am

Denn wrote to Gamgee <=-

It was all about crybaby Democrats losing the 2016 election and they went batshit crazy.

Yeah, I was disgusted when Hillary lost the popular vote, refused to concede, continued to question the legitimacy of the election, then incited followers to march to the capital. Oh, wait, that didn't happen.

hillary said 'resist' when people were rioting and burning shit in the streets, dumbass.

she told people to fight.
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Re: Re: GAB
By: Nightfox to MRO on Sat Feb 06 2021 03:10 pm

Re: Re: GAB
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sat Feb 06 2021 02:14 pm

laid off multiple times, once due to it being a small startup going
out of business, then during a downsizing after the 2008 financial
crisis (which happened during George W. Bush's presidency, BTW), and a
company deciding to

that's your fault for working at small rinky dink companies.

One of them was Intel.. Intel isn't a small rinky dink company. They go through re-orgs a lot and have been known to lay off many people at a time.

Nightfox

and you were a contractor, right?
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Re: Re: GAB
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Sat Feb 06 2021 08:24 am

Arelor wrote to Dream Master <=-

Save the propaganda. Democrats work to improve their own standing but it is obvious they are working hard to split the US into manageable groups via identitary politics.

Save the propaganda. Both parties work to improve their own standing but
it is obvious they are working hard to split the US into manageable
groups via identitary politics.

I fixed that for you.

... Remove ambiguities and convert to specifics

Your PR has been rejected upstream.

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Re: Re: GAB
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sat Feb 06 2021 06:01 pm

that's your fault for working at small rinky dink companies.

One of them was Intel.. Intel isn't a small rinky dink company. They
go through re-orgs a lot and have been known to lay off many people at
a time.

and you were a contractor, right?

No, I was a direct Intel employee.

Nightfox

Re: Re: GAB
By: Nightfox to MRO on Sat Feb 06 2021 05:02 pm

Re: Re: GAB
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sat Feb 06 2021 06:01 pm

that's your fault for working at small rinky dink companies.

One of them was Intel.. Intel isn't a small rinky dink company. They
go through re-orgs a lot and have been known to lay off many people at
a time.

and you were a contractor, right?

No, I was a direct Intel employee.

well, i would suggest not working at a place if it's known for laying off
many people at a time.
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Re: Re: GAB
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Feb 07 2021 12:35 am

and you were a contractor, right?

No, I was a direct Intel employee.

well, i would suggest not working at a place if it's known for laying off many people at a time.

I didn't really know that about Intel at the time. But companies lay off people all the time. There's no such thing as job security.

Nightfox

MRO wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

I'll leave which party is who as an exercise to the reader.

you probably shouldnt comment on politics. this is the real world, not comics. there are actual changes parties make when they are in control that affect everyone.

Condescend much?



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TRUMP did, Unemployment was at a 50 year low until Corona.
Democrats push us more and more into government dependant socialism.
again look at California as the model for Democratic policy, Poverty there is
at an all time high, Homlessness and welfare are at an all time high.
they keep adding taxes to fix roads that never get fixed.
the Democratic party as a whole is a complete total failure.

So much so that there are now Democrats who believe that their D governor should be recalled.


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hen during a downsizing after the 2008 financial crisis (which happened during
eorge W. Bush's presidency, BTW), and a company deciding to re-org.

It "happened" in 2008, but it started about 10 years before that.


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Save the propaganda. Both parties work to improve their own standing but
it is obvious they are working hard to split the US into manageable
groups via identitary politics.

One party has a much greater hold on the "identity politics" game than the other. HINT: the letter that party starts with is in the phrase "iDentity politics."


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Re: Re: GAB
By: Nightfox to MRO on Sun Feb 07 2021 09:40 am

Re: Re: GAB
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Feb 07 2021 12:35 am

and you were a contractor, right?

No, I was a direct Intel employee.

well, i would suggest not working at a place if it's known for laying off many people at a time.

I didn't really know that about Intel at the time. But companies lay off people all the time. There's no such thing as job security.

Nightfox

If you're a dime a dozen that's how it is. if you are valuable you probably won't be laid off.
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Re: Re: GAB
By: poindexter FORTRAN to MRO on Sun Feb 07 2021 06:56 am

MRO wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

I'll leave which party is who as an exercise to the reader.

you probably shouldnt comment on politics. this is the real world, not comics. there are actual changes parties make when they are in control that affect everyone.

Condescend much?

you should think instead of looking at the surface.
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Re: Re: GAB
By: poindexter FORTRAN to MRO on Sun Feb 07 2021 06:56 am

you probably shouldnt comment on politics. this is the real world,
not comics. there are actual changes parties make when they are in
control that affect everyone.

Condescend much?

It's MRO's modus operandi. :)

In all honesty, I've come to see MRO as "he who has no filter". I've done a great job keeping tabs of my filter as I don't like pissing people off too much. MRO, on the other hand, could care less.

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Re: Re: GAB
By: Dumas Walker to DENN on Sun Feb 07 2021 10:53 am

So much so that there are now Democrats who believe that their D governor should be recalled.

Their logic is of his handling of COVID and his need to shut down the state to extreme levels. I disagree with the extent he took and he should be admonished for it--not recalled.

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Re: Re: GAB
By: Dream Master to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Feb 07 2021 01:26 pm

Re: Re: GAB
By: poindexter FORTRAN to MRO on Sun Feb 07 2021 06:56 am

you probably shouldnt comment on politics. this is the real world,
not comics. there are actual changes parties make when they are in
control that affect everyone.

Condescend much?

It's MRO's modus operandi. :)

In all honesty, I've come to see MRO as "he who has no filter". I've done a great job keeping tabs of my filter as I don't like pissing people off too much. MRO, on the other hand, could care less.

i'm addressing this to all because i'm blocking you.

anyways, we're not like you. most of us have known eachother for over 20 years. there's no need to walk on eggshells. we can speak our minds.
i don't care what it looks like to outsiders.

you however, pop in for a few months and disappear for years.


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MRO wrote to Nightfox <=-

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Re: Re: GAB
By: Nightfox to MRO on Sat Feb 06 2021 05:02 pm

Re: Re: GAB
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sat Feb 06 2021 06:01 pm

that's your fault for working at small rinky dink companies.

One of them was Intel.. Intel isn't a small rinky dink company. They
go through re-orgs a lot and have been known to lay off many people at
a time.

and you were a contractor, right?

No, I was a direct Intel employee.

There are places which DON'T lay off many people at a time? The only ones I've worked at, which don't do that, are those which don't have many people to lay off.


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Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-

No, I was a direct Intel employee.

well, i would suggest not working at a place if it's known for laying off many people at a time.

I didn't really know that about Intel at the time. But companies
lay off people all the time. There's no such thing as job
security.

I think there is. I work for a large company, and have pretty much a zero worry/chance of being laid off. My skillset is too specialized to be easily replaced, and I'm very good at what I do. Yes, it's a good feeling. :-)



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Re: Re: GAB
By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Sun Feb 07 2021 09:11 pm

I didn't really know that about Intel at the time. But companies
lay off people all the time. There's no such thing as job
security.

I think there is. I work for a large company, and have pretty much a zero worry/chance of being laid off. My skillset is too specialized to be easily replaced, and I'm very good at what I do. Yes, it's a good feeling. :-)

Lucky for you if you have a skillset and are appreciated for what you do so that you probably won't be laid off. Though sometimes it seems that there are factors beyond your control - perhaps economic factors forcing a company to downsize, etc..

Nightfox

Re: Re: GAB
By: Dumas Walker to DENN on Sun Feb 07 2021 10:53 am

again look at California as the model for Democratic policy, Poverty
there is at an all time high, Homlessness and welfare are at an all
time high. they keep adding taxes to fix roads that never get fixed.
the Democratic party as a whole is a complete total failure.

So much so that there are now Democrats who believe that their D governor should be recalled.

Last I heard they had two recall's going at the same time.
LA Mayor Yogapant's has a group trying to recall his sorry ass as well:)

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Re: Re: GAB
By: Dream Master to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Feb 07 2021 01:26 pm

you probably shouldnt comment on politics. this is the real world,
not comics. there are actual changes parties make when they are in
control that affect everyone.

Condescend much?

It's MRO's modus operandi. :)

In all honesty, I've come to see MRO as "he who has no filter". I've done a great job keeping tabs of my filter as I don't like pissing people off too much. MRO, on the other hand, could care less.

At least he's consistant in what he say's.
I feel the same way, I'm not going filter what I say to save someones snowflake touchy feely feelings.

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On 2021-02-05 5:02 p.m., Dumas Walker wrote:

Most Americans these days don't realize that authoritarian socialism / communism has a lot more in common with true fascism than anything we have experienced since the end of the Revolutionary War.

I don't think a true form a communism has even been implemented.

It always end up to be a dictatorship or an oligarchy in disguise.

Power corrupt.

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Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-

I didn't really know that about Intel at the time. But companies lay
off people all the time. There's no such thing as job security.

You're right, there isn't. I worked for a company for 20 years.
But got let go in a reorg.

Funny thing is that it took them 2 years to figure out that a bunch of off-shore 4th tier programmers couldn't do the work that we did. They
are trying hard to rebuild their decimated IT dept and coping with the
many people who are telling the industry what an awful place it was
working there.

(Oh, and if you are interested, they did give me a really nice severance package that included paying me for my just-reset vacation days. I ended
up taking a month off unpaid. Got a better job at a better company that
pays more with bonuses.)

The only "job security" is one that you make for yourself by being good
at what you do.


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poindexter FORTRAN wrote to MRO <=-

Condescend much?

We're tech geeks. It just comes naturally.


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On 2/4/2021 5:24 AM, Al wrote:

Could you name a few people that were convicted of illegal
collusion with Russia? My understanding is that one of them
was a known CIA asset and the rest were convicted and/or tried
for other charges. Some by illegal wiretaps.

Here's a quick and dirty list I gathered from various sources. It is old, incomplete and unauthoritative.
... > Guilty Plea: Maria Butina. Conspiracy to act as an illegal Russian agent.

Okay, so there's one person in your entire list. Is there evidence
Maria Butina was operating directly under instruction from Trump?
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On 2/4/2021 11:51 AM, Dream Master wrote:

Our government, via the Constitution, is designed to put a
check on each branch of the government. Trump wanted to do
something, he did it. He led with an iron fist. Facism.
Dictatorship. Clear and simple.

Every example you made is not materially different than
Executive Orders placed under the Obama or GW Bush before him.

The ability to perform those kinds of orders were granted over the years through congress. It's up to Congress to reign things in. In terms of judicial appointments, that's up to the Senate to confirm, and it isn't
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On 2/4/2021 6:24 PM, Dream Master wrote:

We are talking one extreme to another. A "blanket wearing"
Republic is still a Republic in everyone elses eyes. To the
same extent, in America we can make the statement that Donald
Trump was a democratic leader but we all know full well that
he was trying to recreate the country into an authoratarian /
facist political malestrom.

Maybe step away from MSNBC and Vox news for a couple days. You've made a
lot of unsubstantiated claims that aren't really backed by anything of substance.
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On 2/7/2021 9:56 PM, Dream Master wrote:

Agreed, here. Reagan used the vast resources of America
to bankrupt the USSR. Once finished, everyone in the
defense sector was laid off.

Nope, the breakup of the USSR only gave us more countries
to spy on.
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Democrats do not destroy America; they improve
the economy, create more jobs, fight for the rights of the people
and not businesses, and improve the view of America on the world
stage.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! You've got to be kidding me.

Folks, this is a PERFECT example of how koolaid-slurping can (WILL)
cause brain damage.

WOW!!! Ain't that the truth! :)


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Most Americans these days don't realize that authoritarian socialism / communism has a lot more in common with true fascism than anything we have experienced since the end of the Revolutionary War.

I don't think a true form a communism has even been implemented.

It always end up to be a dictatorship or an oligarchy in disguise.

That is the only way to implement it in a government form. You are never
going to get citizens who have had, or want, personal freedom to agree to
being ruled that way. If you have a large section of your populace that
won't comply, it will never work.

Power corrupt.

that too.


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Re: Re: GAB
By: Tracker1 to Al on Mon Feb 08 2021 03:14 pm

Okay, so there's one person in your entire list. Is there evidence
Maria Butina was operating directly under instruction from Trump?

I don't know. I didn't prosecute or attend the proceedings.

I am just saying it is not a hoax.

Ttyl :-),
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Re: Re: GAB
By: Boraxman to MRO on Sun Feb 07 2021 10:00 pm

Re: Re: GAB
By: Nightfox to MRO on Sat Feb 06 2021 05:02 pm

Re: Re: GAB
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sat Feb 06 2021 06:01 pm

that's your fault for working at small rinky dink companies.

One of them was Intel.. Intel isn't a small rinky dink company.

They

go through re-orgs a lot and have been known to lay off many people at
a time.

and you were a contractor, right?

No, I was a direct Intel employee.

There are places which DON'T lay off many people at a time? The only ones I've worked at, which don't do that, are those which don't have many people to lay off.

sometimes places hire way too many people and end up doing that. my company was doing that for a while. then some of them were untrainable and all the effort ended up doing more harm than good. there were some serious injuries and there was bad product going out the door.
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Re: Re: GAB
By: Nightfox to MRO on Sun Feb 07 2021 09:40 am

Re: Re: GAB
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Feb 07 2021 12:35 am

and you were a contractor, right?

No, I was a direct Intel employee.

well, i would suggest not working at a place if it's known for laying off many people at a time.

I didn't really know that about Intel at the time. But companies lay off people all the time. There's no such thing as job security.

Nightfox

If you're a dime a dozen that's how it is. if you are valuable you probably won't be laid off. ---

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Re: Re: GAB
By: Boraxman to MRO on Mon Feb 08 2021 11:28 pm

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Re: Re: GAB
By: Nightfox to MRO on Sun Feb 07 2021 09:40 am

Re: Re: GAB
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Feb 07 2021 12:35 am

and you were a contractor, right?

No, I was a direct Intel employee.

well, i would suggest not working at a place if it's known for laying off many people at a time.

I didn't really know that about Intel at the time. But companies lay off people all the time. There's no such thing as job security.

Nightfox

If you're a dime a dozen that's how it is. if you are valuable you probably won't be laid off. ---

Thanks to Capitalism, we are all now disposable trash. I wonder why the system is considered dehumanising...

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Re: Re: GAB
By: Denn to Dream Master on Sun Feb 07 2021 11:28 pm

At least he's consistant in what he say's.

He is definitely consistent.

I feel the same way, I'm not going filter what I say to save someones snowflake touchy feely feelings.

I try not to turn on my "asshole" nature whenever I am online. Lately, I've noticed that my filter has feelings and likes to turn off when I am very opinionated on a subject. It's all good at the end of the day.

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Re: Re: GAB
By: Dr. What to Nightfox on Mon Feb 08 2021 09:35 am

Funny thing is that it took them 2 years to figure out that a bunch of off-shore 4th tier programmers couldn't do the work that we did. They
are trying hard to rebuild their decimated IT dept and coping with the many people who are telling the industry what an awful place it was working there.

My company has an entire division that is offshore and they supplement IT and other functions performed domestically. They are hard workers and very dedicated to the company. Where they fail, in my opinion, is through their social structure. Leadership is never questioned. If you're the boss, everyone who works for you will do their jobs--dotting their i's and crossing their t's. There is no "out of the box" thinking as it would mess the status-quo and impact the social structure.

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Re: Re: GAB
By: Dr. What to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Feb 08 2021 09:41 am

We're tech geeks. It just comes naturally.

Something I had to seriously break myself of. It occassionally comes out of retirement but for the most part I usually leave the "snark" or "sarcasm" hidden (and if you know me, you know exactly where it is) whenever I write long e-mails. :)

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Re: Re: GAB
By: Tracker1 to Dream Master on Mon Feb 08 2021 03:33 pm

Maybe step away from MSNBC and Vox news for a couple days. You've made a lot of unsubstantiated claims that aren't really backed by anything of substance.

The claims I made come from many reliable sources, not MSNBC or VOX. Ultimately, our opinions and facts will always be viewed negatively by those who share a contrary view. Donald Trump modeled the US government after a closely held business that did not permit thought outside of what the Chief Executive wished. At the end of the day, you can either disagree or agree with what Donald Trump did while in office. I disagree.

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Re: Re: GAB
By: Tracker1 to Dream Master on Mon Feb 08 2021 03:43 pm

Nope, the breakup of the USSR only gave us more countries
to spy on.

The defense sector in America was decimated following the fall of the Soviet Union. Those engineers who helped develop spy satelites, advanced weaponry, and other high tech equipment were left out in the cold. But yes, it did give us more countries to spy on.

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... > Guilty Plea: Maria Butina. Conspiracy to act as an illegal Russian age

.

Okay, so there's one person in your entire list. Is there evidence
Maria Butina was operating directly under instruction from Trump?

IIRC, she is the one that used to be in Hilary's circle, too.


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Agreed, here. Reagan used the vast resources of America
to bankrupt the USSR. Once finished, everyone in the
defense sector was laid off.

So it is Reagan's fault that the Communist utopia that was the USSR failed?
Without outsider intervention, that utopia would continue to exist?

That is what the East German communists were claiming when people were
trying to flee to the West by the thousands. It couldn't have been that
their communist utopia was really a poop-hole.


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Re: Re: GAB
By: Dream Master to Denn on Tue Feb 09 2021 06:38 am

At least he's consistant in what he say's.

He is definitely consistent.

I feel the same way, I'm not going filter what I say to save
someones snowflake touchy feely feelings.

I try not to turn on my "asshole" nature whenever I am online. Lately, I've noticed that my filter has feelings and likes to turn off when I am very opinionated on a subject. It's all good at the end of the day.

I look at it this way, I don't get offened usually by someone elses point of view, but on the other hand if someone gets offended by my point of view that's their problem, I won't walk on eggshells so they won't be offended.

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Re: Re: GAB
By: Boraxman to MRO on Mon Feb 08 2021 11:28 pm

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Re: Re: GAB
By: Nightfox to MRO on Sun Feb 07 2021 09:40 am

Re: Re: GAB
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Feb 07 2021 12:35 am

and you were a contractor, right?

No, I was a direct Intel employee.

well, i would suggest not working at a place if it's known for laying off many people at a time.

I didn't really know that about Intel at the time. But companies lay off people all the time. There's no such thing as job security.

Nightfox

If you're a dime a dozen that's how it is. if you are valuable you probably won't be laid off. ---

Thanks to Capitalism, we are all now disposable trash. I wonder why the system is considered dehumanising...

well, it's a double edged sword. you can ditch your employer and find
a better paying job. that's the best way to get better pay. if you're
at your current job most likely you wont get too much of a bump. ---

That is a major hassle, and may involve uprooting your family and moving. People just say "get another job" as if its nothing, but it isn't, not always. Not even often.

Also, if you are a skilled specialist, its not that easy either. Its not like there are hundreds of listing for what I do, and most jobs won't pay won't I'm earning now. Taking a 30% pay cut isn't a long term option. Employers can whinge and moan about a "skills shortage", and the state will import people (at our expense) to satisfy them. Does the government organise things so there is always a surplus of jobs, to allow job seekers to be picky? No.

Also, its far less of a hassle to the employer to lose an employee than vice versa, generally. It's not an equal relationship, not a double edges sword.

Capitalism is geared towards pandering to owners of Capital (you don't count), hence why its called Capitalism.


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Re: Re: GAB
By: Tracker1 to Dream Master on
Mon Feb 08 2021 03:33 pm

Maybe step away from MSNBC and Vox news for a couple days. You've made a lot of unsubstantiated claims that aren't really backed by anything of substance.

The claims I made come from many reliable sources, not MSNBC or VOX. Ultimately, our opinions and facts will always be viewed negatively by those who share a contrary view. Donald Trump modeled the US
government after a closely held business that did not permit thought outside of what the Chief Executive wished. At the end of the day, you can either disagree or agree with what Donald Trump did while in
office. I disagree.

He may have modelled the US government that way, but not the US itself, which is what matters. The authoritarian mindset that Trumps opposition has, wants to use an authoritarian model EVERYHWERE. That is far worse. I ask people who claim Trump is a fascist what Trump has done to take away, or threaten, or limit, or punish them for their speech, and there is nothing. Were people banned from Social Media for claiming that Trump is Russian asset, that the 2016 election was rigged (this claim was prevalent then too)?


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Most Americans these days don't realize that authoritarian socialism / communism has a lot more in common with true fascism than anything we have experienced since the end of the Revolutionary War.

I don't think a true form a communism has even been implemented.

It always end up to be a dictatorship or an oligarchy in disguise.

That is the only way to implement it in a government form. You are
never going to get citizens who have had, or want, personal freedom to agree to being ruled that way. If you have a large section of your populace that won't comply, it will never work.

Power corrupt.

that too.

The problem with Communism, as with Liberalism, is that it presumes itself to be the one correct system, and that it requires universal adoption. Its based on the flawed idea that we should submit to one locus of power, to one institution. That institution will NEVER let go of power.

One way to support freedom is to not have a single locus of power, but instead multiple powers, mulitple simultaneous sources of power and direction that can be antagonistic. A strong church which might counter the state, a strong union which might counter the industrialists. No single 'ruling elite'. No single estiblishment and definately not having everyone align their values. A multipolar society where no school of thought can gain dominance, and importantly, when individuals are influenced by those mutliple loci of power. When you have what is happening in the US now, the state, Capitalists, the media, Big Tech pushing and enforcing the same values system, the same vision, you get authoritarianism and Communist style oligarchy. Its made worse because people ONLY have their employer in their lives, no strong church of community, and ONLY have Social Media monopolies. Single institutions can monopolise an individuals values system.

That is where polarisation comes from, self-segregation.

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At the end of the day, you can either disagree or agree with what
Donald Trump did while in office. I disagree.

What does your 401(k) have to say on that subject?

Are you going to give back all the gains because they came as a result of Trump's actions?


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Re: Re: GAB
By: Boraxman to MRO on Tue Feb 09 2021 10:42 pm

probably won't be laid off. ---

Thanks to Capitalism, we are all now disposable trash. I wonder why the system is considered dehumanising...

well, it's a double edged sword. you can ditch your employer and find a better paying job. that's the best way to get better pay. if you're at your current job most likely you wont get too much of a bump. ---

That is a major hassle, and may involve uprooting your family and moving. People just say "get another job" as if its nothing, but it isn't, not always. Not even often.

Also, if you are a skilled specialist, its not that easy either. Its not

all of life is a major hassle. and you have to plan your life right. dont be in an area where there arent jobs. dont plant your family down in a shitty area like that. i live in an area where the jobs are plenty and people dont want to work. i almost jumped jobs a few times but i'm riding it out over this covid shit.

things arent hopeless, it's not impossible to move to another job if you have decent skills and a background. which you should have by the age 40.

it's normal to move to another job for better pay. in most cases that's the only way you're going to get it.
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Re: Re: GAB
By: Tracker1 to Dream Master on
Mon Feb 08 2021 03:33 pm

Maybe step away from MSNBC and Vox news for a couple days. You've made a lot of unsubstantiated claims that aren't really backed by anything of substance.

The claims I made come from many reliable sources, not MSNBC or VOX. Ultimately, our opinions and facts will always be viewed negatively by those who share a contrary view. Donald Trump modeled the US
government after a closely held business that did not permit thought outside of what the Chief Executive wished. At the end of the day, you can either disagree or agree with what Donald Trump did while in
office. I disagree.

He may have modelled the US government that way, but not the US itself, which is what matters. The authoritarian mindset that Trumps
opposition has, wants to use an authoritarian model EVERYHWERE. That
is far worse. I ask people who claim Trump is a fascist what Trump has done to take away, or threaten, or limit, or punish them for their
speech, and there is nothing. Were people banned from Social Media for claiming that Trump is Russian asset, that the 2016 election was rigged (this claim was prevalent then too)?

And you are already fully aware of all the facts, resources and sources, but refuse to acknowledge them because they contradict your position. There is no point in debating with someone doing that.


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Most Americans these days don't realize that authoritarian socialism / communism has a lot more in common with true fascism than anything we have experienced since the end of the Revolutionary War.

I don't think a true form a communism has even been implemented.

It always end up to be a dictatorship or an oligarchy in disguise.

That is the only way to implement it in a government form. You are
never going to get citizens who have had, or want, personal freedom to agree to being ruled that way. If you have a large section of your populace that won't comply, it will never work.

Power corrupt.

that too.

The problem with Communism, as with Liberalism, is that it presumes
itself to be the one correct system, and that it requires universal adoption. Its based on the flawed idea that we should submit to one
locus of power, to one institution. That institution will NEVER let go
of power.

One way to support freedom is to not have a single locus of power, but instead multiple powers, mulitple simultaneous sources of power and direction that can be antagonistic. A strong church which might
counter the state, a strong union which might counter the
industrialists. No single 'ruling elite'. No single estiblishment and definately not having everyone align their values. A multipolar
society where no school of thought can gain dominance, and importantly, when individuals are influenced by those mutliple loci of power. When
you have what is happening in the US now, the state, Capitalists, the media, Big Tech pushing and enforcing the same values system, the same vision, you get authoritarianism and Communist style oligarchy. Its
made worse because people ONLY have their employer in their lives, no strong church of community, and ONLY have Social Media monopolies.
Single institutions can monopolise an individuals values system.

That is where polarisation comes from, self-segregation.

You're just gonna pretend like you know what you're talking about, aren't you....

Ok, then.

You make wild assumptions, find connections where none exists, and ignore factual reality.

"A multipolar society where no school of thought can gain dominance, and importantly, when individuals are influenced by those mutliple loci of power." HYSTERICAL! Barely relevent terms strung together with rambling. You used an entire paragraph no say nothing.

Look... you're just an Youtube political scientist/psycholigist. You don't really know what the hell you're talking about and it's really obvious, but I get it.... you still pretend like you do on message boards to feel smart.

I can't be the first person to call you on your garbage, can I?


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Re: Re: GAB
By: Dumas Walker to DREAM MASTER on Tue Feb 09 2021 04:52 pm

So it is Reagan's fault that the Communist utopia that was the USSR failed?

Communist Russia was destined to fall; it was only through the "help" of the West that kickstarted their demise.

Without outsider intervention, that utopia would continue to exist?

Communism is not sustainable in the model that Russia took. Look at China. They call themselves Communist but they are something between Socialist and Communist (and it's too early in the morning for me to research its name).

That is what the East German communists were claiming when people were trying to flee to the West by the thousands. It couldn't have been that their communist utopia was really a poop-hole.

East Germany was definitely not a fun place to live. Coworkers of mine that were from the east always told me that their lives weren't great as children or young adults. It is definitely enlightening.

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Re: Re: GAB
By: Denn to Dream Master on Tue Feb 09 2021 07:59 pm

I look at it this way, I don't get offened usually by someone elses point of view, but on the other hand if someone gets offended by my point of view that's their problem, I won't walk on eggshells so they won't be offended.

Agreed. I find discussions problematic when the other party starts spouting off nonsensical claims, false narratives, and ideas that cannot be substantiated. When the "other side" starts calling you out and not your claim, picking on your likeness, etc., is the minute I stop reading or listening as it shows they've got nothing.

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Re: Re: GAB
By: Boraxman to MRO on Tue Feb 09 2021 10:42 pm

Also, its far less of a hassle to the employer to lose an employee than vice versa, generally. It's not an equal relationship, not a double edges sword.

Companies would rather see you walk than pay you more. They'll then hire someone new and pay them more than simply giving you a 4 or 5% raise or increase your bonus percentage.

Case in point, I was with my previous employer for 20 years. I started off as a "senior" and ended up as a "lead" and I am specialized. When the raise percentages started getting smaller each year and their statement, "You make too much. We can't give you any greater of a percentage," it showed that they didn't care. When I tendered my resignation, my boss went to the CIO and made it clear that they need to retain me. Their statement, "We don't match compensation and his compensation is already too high."

Cool.

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Re: Re: GAB
By: Gamgee to Dream Master on Tue Feb 09 2021 08:39 pm

What does your 401(k) have to say on that subject?

Are you going to give back all the gains because they came as a result of Trump's actions?

Not my 401k, but my investments. I "leveraged" March and April of last year and made a killing on the market. My 401k has remained healthy. I'll lose everything in taxes seeing that the middle-class got screwed during the last tax law change.

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Dumas Walker wrote to DREAM MASTER <=-

So it is Reagan's fault that the Communist utopia that was the USSR failed?
Without outsider intervention, that utopia would continue to exist?

That is what the East German communists were claiming when people were trying to flee to the West by the thousands. It couldn't have been
that their communist utopia was really a poop-hole.

Remember that people like Dream Master are Elites.

They will say that Venesuela and the USSR weren't "real socialism" or that
they "didn't do it right" - all implying that the Elites here will "do
it correctly this time."

I think that more people would believe socialism could work if the
Elites could point to ANY place where socialism worked. But they
refuse to admit that every attempt has failed, horribly and for exactly
the same reasons: The Elites "in charge" were complete and utter morons.


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Re: Re: GAB
By: Vague to Boraxman on Wed Feb 10 2021 01:00 am

And you are already fully aware of all the facts, resources and sources, but refuse to acknowledge them because they contradict your position. There is no point in debating with someone doing that.

Like CNN? NYT? and other outlets that spew leftist propaganda?
seems like you're doing exactly what you accuse everyone else of.
the facts are there for you to look at but you don't.
you're right on the last sentence, there is no point debating you because you make shciff up as you go.

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Re: Re: GAB
By: Dr. What to Dumas Walker on Wed Feb 10 2021 09:50 am

I think that more people would believe socialism could work if the
Elites could point to ANY place where socialism worked. But they
refuse to admit that every attempt has failed, horribly and for exactly
the same reasons: The Elites "in charge" were complete and utter morons.

To Dream Master's credit, Socialism has proven to work. And by that I mean, many Socialist leaders have become powerful and rich by running Socialist regimes. So you could say Socialism has been a working success for people like Castro or Francisco Franco :-)

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Re: Re: GAB
By: Vague to Boraxman on Wed Feb 10 2021 01:00 am

And you are already fully aware of all the facts, resources and sources, but refuse to acknowledge them because they contradict your position. There is no point in debating with someone doing that.

Like CNN? NYT? and other outlets that spew leftist propaganda?
seems like you're doing exactly what you accuse everyone else of.

Nope. Your guesses are incorrect.

the facts are there for you to look at but you don't.
you're right on the last sentence, there is no point debating you
because you make shciff up as you go.

Nope. But I get it: you see something that contradicts what you've been told, so it MUST be false. I understand. That happens to gullible people with confirmation bias.


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The problem with Communism, as with Liberalism, is that it presumes itself to >be the one correct system, and that it requires universal adoption. Its based >on the flawed idea that we should submit to one locus of power, to one >institution. That institution will NEVER let go of power.

That is correct, not without use of excessive force or total colapse.

That is where polarisation comes from, self-segregation.

Yes, and the forced segregation of the pandemic has likely made it worse.


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East Germany was definitely not a fun place to live. Coworkers of mine that we
e from the east always told me that their lives weren't great as children or yo
ng adults. It is definitely enlightening.

Early on anyway, I get the impression that they got a double-whammy because
if they showed any non-complaince to the Russian occupation, they were
singled out as Nazi sympathizers and were either ostracized (if they were lucky!), killed, or shipped off somewhere deep in Russia. That continued
once the "German" government took over, too, except maybe the "shipped off" part.

I guess it wasn't just the Germans, though. The Polish got beat up pretty
bad by the Russians, too. In their case, I think it was for being Polish
more so than possible Nazi sympathizers.


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Re: Re: GAB
By: Dr. What to Dumas Walker on Wed Feb 10 2021 09:50 am

Remember that people like Dream Master are Elites.

Thank you for thinking so highly of me. I'm not an elite, far from it, I simply have differing views than you do.

They will say that Venesuela and the USSR weren't "real socialism" or that they "didn't do it right" - all implying that the Elites here will "do
it correctly this time."

I can't speak for Venezuela but can for the USSR. The fall of the USSR was mostly of their own doing simply by opening the door to Western style elections, allowing outside "influence" (glasnost) to work through their populace, and the restructuring (perestroika) of their internal industry and economy. With state-run media no longer controlling the airwaves, dissent formed creating a major rift in government control.

Yet, let's return to the real problem. Why not invite change throughout America? Why keep everything the way it is because "it simply works"? The old way doesn't work. We are hellbent on keeping everything the same, we will fall behind on the world stage allowing countries like China to move forward. Is that what you want? Probably not.


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Re: Re: GAB
By: Boraxman to MRO on Tue Feb 09 2021 10:42 pm

probably won't be laid off. ---

Thanks to Capitalism, we are all now disposable trash. I wonder why the system is considered dehumanising...

well, it's a double edged sword. you can ditch your employer and find a better paying job. that's the best way to get better pay. if you're at your current job most likely you wont get too much of a bump. ---

That is a major hassle, and may involve uprooting your family and moving. People just say "get another job" as if its nothing, but it isn't, not always. Not even often.

Also, if you are a skilled specialist, its not that easy either. Its not

all of life is a major hassle. and you have to plan your life right.
dont be in an area where there arent jobs. dont plant your family down
in a shitty area like that. i live in an area where the jobs are
plenty and people dont want to work. i almost jumped jobs a few times
but i'm riding it out over this covid shit.

things arent hopeless, it's not impossible to move to another job if
you have decent skills and a background. which you should have by the
age 40.

it's normal to move to another job for better pay. in most cases that's the only way you're going to get it. ---

One thing I note about the USA, is how common it is for people to move from state to state, town to town. That its simply the 'done thing' to go elsewhere. That happens far less in Australia.

Housing is also way unaffordable in Australia. It easy to say "live near work", but you have to be able to afford it. You got a spare million? Yeah, the houses where I grew up cost a million, and my parents weren't rich. So that leave the city fringes, which means that if your next job is the on the other side of the city, you have an unworkable commute. Now that house prices have shot up again, what do you do? They may not even consider you for the job if you don't live with a workable commute distance.

I have a professional position in a global company, a senior (though not manager), and would still be unable to afford a house near my work, unless my wife was also a working professional. She isn't, I have young children. I have been offered a job as a manager, further from home, and yet I still won't be able to afford to move closer, not unless I do nothing with my life other than pay a mortgage until I'm dead.

I made the right choices. I studied, got a good job, progressed my career, built up signifcant savings in my 20s (enough so that I could be without work for 2 years without running out), advanced my career, yet everything still goes backwards. Housing is LESS affordable to me, despite my career advancement and salary increases. I had more options when I was a lab monkey 20 years ago, than I would now as a manager.

What will my children do? The system is failing people. There is nothing to gain apologising for it, defending Capitalism and our economic structure. It time to stop "coping" and "Adapating" like a chump and start pushing for some real change.

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Re: Re: GAB
By: Tracker1 to Dream Master on
Mon Feb 08 2021 03:33 pm

Maybe step away from MSNBC and Vox news for a couple days. You've made a lot of unsubstantiated claims that aren't really backed by anything of substance.

The claims I made come from many reliable sources, not MSNBC or VOX. Ultimately, our opinions and facts will always be viewed negatively by those who share a contrary view. Donald Trump modeled the US
government after a closely held business that did not permit thought outside of what the Chief Executive wished. At the end of the day, you can either disagree or agree with what Donald Trump did while in
office. I disagree.

He may have modelled the US government that way, but not the US itself, which is what matters. The authoritarian mindset that Trumps
opposition has, wants to use an authoritarian model EVERYHWERE. That
is far worse. I ask people who claim Trump is a fascist what Trump has done to take away, or threaten, or limit, or punish them for their
speech, and there is nothing. Were people banned from Social Media for claiming that Trump is Russian asset, that the 2016 election was rigged (this claim was prevalent then too)?

And you are already fully aware of all the facts, resources and
sources, but refuse to acknowledge them because they contradict your position. There is no point in debating with someone doing that.

If the "facts, resources and sources" were there, you'd be able to answer at least one of my questions.

There is nothing there, don't bluff. Point to examples where the government clamped down on private citizens who peacefully opposed Trump.

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Re: Re: GAB
By: Boraxman to MRO on Tue
Feb 09 2021 10:42 pm

Also, its far less of a hassle to the employer to lose an employee than vice versa, generally. It's not an equal relationship, not a double edges sword.

Companies would rather see you walk than pay you more. They'll then
hire someone new and pay them more than simply giving you a 4 or 5%
raise or increase your bonus percentage.

Case in point, I was with my previous employer for 20 years. I started off as a "senior" and ended up as a "lead" and I am specialized. When
the raise percentages started getting smaller each year and their statement, "You make too much. We can't give you any greater of a percentage," it showed that they didn't care. When I tendered my resignation, my boss went to the CIO and made it clear that they need
to retain me. Their statement, "We don't match compensation and his compensation is already too high."

Cool.

Once a company I think decided to pay me significantly more instead of letting me walk, an unrequested pay rise, but I only found out they planned it after I had tendered my resignation. Even then, it didn't match the new job I had.

Changing jobs is the primary way I've been able to increase my salary. Companies might talk about retention, but HR convinces themselves and execs that pay isn't that important and people don't make decisions to say/leave based on salary...


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Re: Re: GAB
By: Tracker1 to Dream Master on
Mon Feb 08 2021 03:33 pm

Maybe step away from MSNBC and Vox news for a couple days. You've made a lot of unsubstantiated claims that aren't really backed by anything of substance.

The claims I made come from many reliable sources, not MSNBC or VOX. Ultimately, our opinions and facts will always be viewed negatively by those who share a contrary view. Donald Trump modeled the US
government after a closely held business that did not permit thought outside of what the Chief Executive wished. At the end of the day, you can either disagree or agree with what Donald Trump did while in
office. I disagree.

He may have modelled the US government that way, but not the US itself, which is what matters. The authoritarian mindset that Trumps
opposition has, wants to use an authoritarian model EVERYHWERE. That
is far worse. I ask people who claim Trump is a fascist what Trump has done to take away, or threaten, or limit, or punish them for their
speech, and there is nothing. Were people banned from Social Media for claiming that Trump is Russian asset, that the 2016 election was rigged (this claim was prevalent then too)?

And you are already fully aware of all the facts, resources and
sources, but refuse to acknowledge them because they contradict your position. There is no point in debating with someone doing that.

If the "facts, resources and sources" were there, you'd be able to
answer at least one of my questions.

There is nothing there, don't bluff. Point to examples where the government clamped down on private citizens who peacefully opposed
Trump.

I though you would understand when I said "There is no point in debating with someone doing that", but I see I was wrong.

I'm talking about you. So no, I'm not wasting my time presenting you with evidence you will ignore no matter how valid it is.

One more time for the dense, I will not debate you. I will berate you if that's what you want, however.


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They will say that Venesuela and the USSR weren't "real socialism" or that they "didn't do it right" - all implying that the Elites here will "do
it correctly this time."

I can't speak for Venezuela but can for the USSR. The fall of
the USSR was mostly of their own doing simply by opening the door
to Western style elections, allowing outside "influence"
(glasnost) to work through their populace, and the restructuring (perestroika) of their internal industry and economy. With
state-run media no longer controlling the airwaves, dissent
formed creating a major rift in government control.

Yet, let's return to the real problem. Why not invite change
throughout America?

The obvious answer is that change isn't needed. Change for the sake of change is.... idiotic.

Why keep everything the way it is because "it simply works"?

You answered it yourself. Because it simply works. That's the goal, isn't
it? To have something work?

The old way doesn't work. We are hellbent on keeping everything the
same, we will fall behind on the world stage allowing countries like
China to move forward. Is that what you want? Probably not.

The old way of... what? Governing? Running a country? Of course it works. The old way brought our country from NOT EXISTING to the preeminant world super-power in 200 years. We're still the world super-power. What's not working?

Sorry, but using "it's not working" as an argument for socialism/communism is.... ummm... not working. Just like socialism/communism doesn't.


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Re: Re: GAB
By: Boraxman to MRO on Wed Feb 10 2021 10:53 pm

What will my children do? The system is failing people. There is nothing to gain apologising for it, defending Capitalism and our economic structure. It time to stop "coping" and "Adapating" like a chump and start pushing for some real change.

well it's setup on a bad foundation. most people live near the coast and the rest of the country is pretty much unlivable, right?

if i were you i'd see what the intelligent young people are doing. if what they are doing isnt helping, it's a hopeless situation.
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Re: Re: GAB
By: Gamgee to Dream Master on Thu Feb 11 2021 08:00 am

The old way of... what? Governing? Running a country? Of course it works. The old way brought our country from NOT EXISTING to the preeminant world super-power in 200 years. We're still the world super-power. What's not working?

Our Constitutional drafted wanted each citizen to have rights that were unattainable in England. Putting quill to parchment, they wrote a document that was forward thinking, righting the wrongs of America's past, and demonstrating to the world what a Democratic Republic could be. This forward thinking enabled the common man to invent the submarine, cotton gin, interchangable parts, plough, profile lathe, reaping machine, power tools, telegraph, offset printing, cars, airplane, rocket, television, frozen food, and the list goes on and on.

As we evolve as a people, we must look beyond the traditional methods and look to ways that improve our lives. For example, the invention of the telegraph led to the invention of the phone to the invention of interstate communication to the internet as we know it today. In the same way the drafters of the Constitution knew that changes must take place in our governing document through the Amendment process. This evolution brought us our Bill of Rights. Further to this, this "new way of thinking" allowed us to end slavery, womens suffrage, etc., etc.

Change is inevitable and moving forward is how we will progress to our next steps. Your claim that America remains a super-power, but of what? Military strength? The strength of a country isn't measured by the number of tanks, missles, and soldiers it has, but of its innovation, its desire to improve the world and its people, and how it strives to bring about positive change not only of itself but of those around it.

Sorry, but using "it's not working" as an argument for socialism/communism is.... ummm... not working. Just like socialism/communism doesn't.

So, let's just keep the status quo? It's not working.

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Re: Re: GAB
By: Tracker1 to Dream Master on
Mon Feb 08 2021 03:33 pm

Maybe step away from MSNBC and Vox news for a couple days. You've made a lot of unsubstantiated claims that aren't really backed by anything of substance.

The claims I made come from many reliable sources, not MSNBC or VOX. Ultimately, our opinions and facts will always be viewed negatively by those who share a contrary view. Donald Trump modeled the US
government after a closely held business that did not permit thought outside of what the Chief Executive wished. At the end of the day, you can either disagree or agree with what Donald Trump did while in
office. I disagree.

He may have modelled the US government that way, but not the US itself, which is what matters. The authoritarian mindset that Trumps
opposition has, wants to use an authoritarian model EVERYHWERE. That
is far worse. I ask people who claim Trump is a fascist what Trump has done to take away, or threaten, or limit, or punish them for their
speech, and there is nothing. Were people banned from Social Media for claiming that Trump is Russian asset, that the 2016 election was rigged (this claim was prevalent then too)?

And you are already fully aware of all the facts, resources and
sources, but refuse to acknowledge them because they contradict your position. There is no point in debating with someone doing that.

If the "facts, resources and sources" were there, you'd be able to
answer at least one of my questions.

There is nothing there, don't bluff. Point to examples where the government clamped down on private citizens who peacefully opposed
Trump.

I though you would understand when I said "There is no point in
debating with someone doing that", but I see I was wrong.

I'm talking about you. So no, I'm not wasting my time presenting you
with evidence you will ignore no matter how valid it is.

One more time for the dense, I will not debate you. I will berate you
if that's what you want, however.

You come accross as a 17 old who thinks being snarky and pretending to have a moral high ground might convince people of your moral superiority.

I don't know whats sadder, your lack of self-awareness, or the fact you think you are successfully passing yourself off as anything other than a troll.


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Re: Re: GAB
By: Boraxman to MRO on Wed Feb 10 2021 10:53 pm

What will my children do? The system is failing people. There is nothing to gain apologising for it, defending Capitalism and our economic structure. It time to stop "coping" and "Adapating" like a chump and start pushing for some real change.

well it's setup on a bad foundation. most people live near the coast
and the rest of the country is pretty much unlivable, right?

Yeah, pretty much. Australia is actually a very small country in many ways. There are very few large cities, and in those cities, only a small area which isn't just bland suburbs. The actual area of Australia which has culture, good high paying jobs, is really, really small. So everyone is competing to live there.

if i were you i'd see what the intelligent young people are doing. if
what they are doing isnt helping, it's a hopeless situation. ---

Well, some of my friends have moved overseas... Others are living are perpetual adultescents. Others I know are just mooching of parents. Actually, the number of my peers, that is people I grew up with, went to school with and maintained contact with, who have families, is very, very low. A very different situation to my parents generation.


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To Dream Master's credit, Socialism has proven to work. And by that I mean, many Socialist leaders have become powerful and rich by running Socialist regimes. So you could say Socialism has been a working
success for people like Castro or Francisco Franco :-)

Which is why the main cheerleaders here in the U.S. are the worthless Elites. i.e. people who do nothing, but want something for free.


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Why keep everything the way it is because "it simply works"?

You answered it yourself. Because it simply works. That's the goal, isn't it? To have something work?

I thought the goal was to replace things that work, but maybe don't give
you "the feels," with things that don't work but make you feel good.

At least, that is what you do if you are one of "the Elite."


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Re: Re: GAB
By: Gamgee to Dream Master on Thu Feb 11 2021 08:00 am

The old way of... what? Governing? Running a country? Of course it works. The old way brought our country from NOT EXISTING to the preeminant world super-power in 200 years. We're still the world super-power. What's not working?

Our Constitutional drafted wanted each citizen to have rights
that were unattainable in England. Putting quill to parchment,
they wrote a document that was forward thinking, righting the
wrongs of America's past, and demonstrating to the world what a
Democratic Republic could be. This forward thinking enabled the
common man to invent the submarine, cotton gin, interchangable
parts, plough, profile lathe, reaping machine, power tools,
telegraph, offset printing, cars, airplane, rocket, television,
frozen food, and the list goes on and on.

Ummm, yeah. I think I know that.

As we evolve as a people, we must look beyond the traditional
methods and look to ways that improve our lives. For example,
the invention of the telegraph led to the invention of the phone
to the invention of interstate communication to the internet as
we know it today. In the same way the drafters of the
Constitution knew that changes must take place in our governing
document through the Amendment process. This evolution brought
us our Bill of Rights. Further to this, this "new way of
thinking" allowed us to end slavery, womens suffrage, etc., etc.

Sure, absolutely correct. This kind of change is still going on, and
should be. I agree completely.

Change is inevitable and moving forward is how we will progress
to our next steps. Your claim that America remains a
super-power, but of what? Military strength? The strength of a
country isn't measured by the number of tanks, missles, and
soldiers it has, but of its innovation, its desire to improve the
world and its people, and how it strives to bring about positive
change not only of itself but of those around it.

We are a super-power in those areas too. Absolutely nobody else even
close.

Sorry, but using "it's not working" as an argument for socialism/communism is.... ummm... not working. Just like socialism/communism doesn't.

So, let's just keep the status quo? It's not working.

Well, we're back where we started... WHAT ISN'T WORKING???

It seems like we agree that continual change in thought processes is vital,
and is on-going. What you seem to want to change is the FUNDAMENTAL method
of our government. Changing from capitalism and a democratic republic to something else. Like socialism or communism. That kind of change is *NOT* what we've been talking about above. So to answer your question... YES,
just keep the status quo. Hard to understand why you can't see that.



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I'm talking about you. So no, I'm not wasting my time presenting you
with evidence you will ignore no matter how valid it is.

One more time for the dense, I will not debate you. I will berate you
if that's what you want, however.

You come accross as a 17 old who thinks being snarky and
pretending to have a moral high ground might convince people of
your moral superiority.

I don't know whats sadder, your lack of self-awareness, or the
fact you think you are successfully passing yourself off as
anything other than a troll.

100% agreed. He's a loser troll, for sure. Best to just ignore.


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Re: Re: GAB
By: Gamgee to Dream Master on Fri Feb 12 2021 01:18 pm

It seems like we agree that continual change in thought processes is vital, and is on-going. What you seem to want to change is the FUNDAMENTAL method of our government. Changing from capitalism and a democratic republic to something else. Like socialism or communism. That kind of change is *NOT* what we've been talking about above. So to answer your question... YES, just keep the status quo. Hard to understand why you can't see that.

Our government isn't working--it's too polar. Instead of working together and finding someplace in the middle that works, you have each group that resists anything even remotely forward. This is my problem. As a country, we can't even work together, we can't even agree on what's best for everyone. You have one side trying to take rights away from one group and another whos is trying to force change on the other.

Ultimately, I just want to see consensus in our government. I'm tired of the same shit different day way of governing. It's tiring and isn't getting a thing done.

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Re: Re: GAB
By: Boraxman to Vague on Sat Feb 13 2021 12:22 am

And you are already fully aware of all the facts, resources and
sources, but refuse to acknowledge them because they contradict your
position. There is no point in debating with someone doing that.

If the "facts, resources and sources" were there, you'd be able to
answer at least one of my questions.

There is nothing there, don't bluff. Point to examples where the
government clamped down on private citizens who peacefully opposed
Trump.

I though you would understand when I said "There is no point in
debating with someone doing that", but I see I was wrong.

I'm talking about you. So no, I'm not wasting my time presenting you
with evidence you will ignore no matter how valid it is.

One more time for the dense, I will not debate you. I will berate
you
if that's what you want, however.

You come accross as a 17 old who thinks being snarky and pretending to have a moral high ground might convince people of your moral superiority.

I was thinking more like a 13 year old.

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Re: Re: GAB
By: Gamgee to Boraxman on Fri Feb 12 2021 01:30 pm

I don't know whats sadder, your lack of self-awareness, or the
fact you think you are successfully passing yourself off as
anything other than a troll.

100% agreed. He's a loser troll, for sure. Best to just ignore.

I already added him to the .can

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Dream Master wrote to Gamgee <=-

It seems like we agree that continual change in thought processes is vital, and is on-going. What you seem to want to change is the FUNDAMENTAL method of our government. Changing from capitalism and a democratic republic to something else. Like socialism or communism. That kind of change is *NOT* what we've been talking about above. So to answer your question... YES, just keep the status quo. Hard to understand why you can't see that.

Our government isn't working--it's too polar. Instead of working

I got news for you - it's always been polar. That's why it works. The system keeps one side from being able to just force it's ways down the throats of the other side. It's the very definition of democracy.

together and finding someplace in the middle that works, you have
each group that resists anything even remotely forward. This is
my problem. As a country, we can't even work together, we can't
even agree on what's best for everyone. You have one side trying
to take rights away from one group and another whos is trying to
force change on the other.

It may be a little more polarized now than in times past. Things have a way of

self-correcting, after a while. This system has worked for 240+ years and there's no valid reason (other than desiring absolute power for "your" side) that it would need to be changed.

Ultimately, I just want to see consensus in our government. I'm
tired of the same shit different day way of governing. It's
tiring and isn't getting a thing done.

Consensus, as long as the result is what your side wants, right?

That's not consensus, that's communism/dictatorship. No thanks. I hear airplane flights to Venezuela (socialist paradise) are quite cheap at the moment. Perhaps you'd be happier there?



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Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-

Why keep everything the way it is because "it simply works"?

You answered it yourself. Because it simply works. That's the goal, isn't it? To have something work?

I thought the goal was to replace things that work, but maybe
don't give you "the feels," with things that don't work but make
you feel good.

At least, that is what you do if you are one of "the Elite."

Exactly. That includes every single congress-critter with a (D) after their names. They're "elite", at least in their own minds.

Change for the sake of change. "Social Justice Warriors".



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Re: Re: GAB
By: Gamgee to Dream Master on
Thu Feb 11 2021 08:00 am

The old way of... what? Governing? Running a country? Of course it works. The old way brought our country from NOT EXISTING to the preeminant world super-power in 200 years. We're still the world super-power. What's not working?

Our Constitutional drafted wanted each citizen to have rights that were unattainable in England. Putting quill to parchment, they wrote a document that was forward thinking, righting the wrongs of America's
past, and demonstrating to the world what a Democratic Republic could
be. This forward thinking enabled the common man to invent the
submarine, cotton gin, interchangable parts, plough, profile lathe, reaping machine, power tools, telegraph, offset printing, cars,
airplane, rocket, television, frozen food, and the list goes on and on.

As we evolve as a people, we must look beyond the traditional methods
and look to ways that improve our lives. For example, the invention of the telegraph led to the invention of the phone to the invention of interstate communication to the internet as we know it today. In the
same way the drafters of the Constitution knew that changes must take place in our governing document through the Amendment process. This evolution brought us our Bill of Rights. Further to this, this "new
way of thinking" allowed us to end slavery, womens suffrage, etc., etc.

Change is inevitable and moving forward is how we will progress to our next steps. Your claim that America remains a super-power, but of
what? Military strength? The strength of a country isn't measured by
the number of tanks, missles, and soldiers it has, but of its
innovation, its desire to improve the world and its people, and how it strives to bring about positive change not only of itself but of those around it.

Sorry, but using "it's not working" as an argument for socialism/communism is.... ummm... not working. Just like socialism/communism doesn't.

So, let's just keep the status quo? It's not working.

Many who want to change the constitution want to install an authoritarian system. They want to remove individual liberty, and make the US more statist, give authority more power and make people more beholden to institutions.

That is not good. EVER.

Some principles are timeless. That freedom creates more prosperity and human happiness than rule by closed instituions is always true. That a balance of power prevents tyranny is always true. That privacy and freedom from intrusion helps liberty, is ALWAYS true.

I simply do not believe that things like the right to self defence, to freedom of speech, to a fair trial and due process, to people having the right to change their government and change their ruling elite can ever, ever go "obsolete".

Sure, maybe some minor specifics can be tweaked, but people are calling into question basic freedoms. They want CONTROL, nothing more, and that always ends badly.

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Re: Re: GAB
By: Gamgee to Dream Master on Fri Feb 12 2021 07:25 pm

That's not consensus, that's communism/dictatorship. No thanks. I hear airplane flights to Venezuela (socialist paradise) are quite cheap at the moment. Perhaps you'd be happier there?

I've been to many countries throughout the world and find Chile and Canada to be my two favorites. You call me a communist but I call myself a socialist simply because I believe everyone should be entitled to a good quality life.

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Re: Re: GAB
By: Tracker1 to Dream Master on
Mon Feb 08 2021 03:33 pm

Maybe step away from MSNBC and Vox news for a couple days. You've made a lot of unsubstantiated claims that aren't really backed by anything of substance.

The claims I made come from many reliable sources, not MSNBC or VOX. Ultimately, our opinions and facts will always be viewed negatively by those who share a contrary view. Donald Trump modeled the US
government after a closely held business that did not permit thought outside of what the Chief Executive wished. At the end of the day, you can either disagree or agree with what Donald Trump did while in
office. I disagree.

He may have modelled the US government that way, but not the US itself, which is what matters. The authoritarian mindset that Trumps
opposition has, wants to use an authoritarian model EVERYHWERE. That
is far worse. I ask people who claim Trump is a fascist what Trump has done to take away, or threaten, or limit, or punish them for their
speech, and there is nothing. Were people banned from Social Media for claiming that Trump is Russian asset, that the 2016 election was rigged (this claim was prevalent then too)?

And you are already fully aware of all the facts, resources and
sources, but refuse to acknowledge them because they contradict your position. There is no point in debating with someone doing that.

If the "facts, resources and sources" were there, you'd be able to
answer at least one of my questions.

There is nothing there, don't bluff. Point to examples where the government clamped down on private citizens who peacefully opposed
Trump.

I though you would understand when I said "There is no point in
debating with someone doing that", but I see I was wrong.

I'm talking about you. So no, I'm not wasting my time presenting you
with evidence you will ignore no matter how valid it is.

One more time for the dense, I will not debate you. I will berate you
if that's what you want, however.

You come accross as a 17 old who thinks being snarky and pretending to have a moral high ground might convince people of your moral
superiority.

I don't know whats sadder, your lack of self-awareness, or the fact you think you are successfully passing yourself off as anything other than
a troll.

What's sadder? You, a grown adult, willfully retelling lies as if you're meritless voice had the gravatas to impart truth on it over objective reality. Or is it that you believe these lies despite any verifiable facts, sources, and resources that you are presented with? You will probably say something like "tHeY'rE nOt vErIfIaBlE fAcTs" due to your confirmation bias. I'm using a bunch of terminology you probably should look up, but you won't.

Anyway... cool story you go there, Bro. Good times. Wear you mask.


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Dream Master wrote to Gamgee <=-

That's not consensus, that's communism/dictatorship. No thanks. I hear airplane flights to Venezuela (socialist paradise) are quite cheap at the moment. Perhaps you'd be happier there?

I've been to many countries throughout the world and find Chile
and Canada to be my two favorites.

I've also travelled the world quite extensively. I find the USA to be my favorite.

You call me a communist but I call myself a socialist simply because
I believe everyone should be entitled to a good quality life.

Oh, I also believe that, assuming the person is willing to work towards that goal, and put in some effort of their own to achieve it. You used the key word

- "entitled". If I hadn't seen you post your rough age, I'd have thought you were part of the millenial/entitlement generation. You sure act like you are.

Certainly you realize that the USA is neither a socialist nor a communist country, right? So if you are a socialist, why don't you move somewhere that would suit your beliefs better? I promise you that you and AOC/Bernie are not going to turn the USA into a socialist utopia like Venezuela.


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Re: Re: GAB
By: Gamgee to Dream Master on Sat Feb 13 2021 07:21 am

Oh, I also believe that, assuming the person is willing to work towards that goal, and put in some effort of their own to achieve it. You used the key word - "entitled". If I hadn't seen you post your rough age, I'd have thought you were part of the millenial/entitlement generation. You sure act like you are.

Ah, thank you! You said it right there, "...willing to work towards that goal, and put in some effort of their own to achieve it." Again, our free market economy makes it impossible for those who don't make enough to afford to live, obtain quality healthcare, and be in a position to retire at 65, 67, or even 70. You preordain that everyone should work towards some mysterious goal making an undefined amount of money thus defines their acheivement. But that's the problem you fail to grasp. It's not always possible.

Let's name our example Suzy. She's 18, just finished high school with a 3.0 GPA. Her parents are lower middle class, making a combined income of $70,000/year pre-tax putting them in the 12% tax bracket. Suzy's parents can't afford to take out PLUS loans to pay for her education at the local college; therefore, Suzy must take out student loans to pay for her education. Suzy chooses, wisely, to live at home. Suzy wants to be an English teacher and graduates college with a BA in English. She is saddled with $37,640 in student loan debt (College Costs, College Board, Public Four-Year College, In State) and chooses a graduated repayment plan over 10 years. She applies and as is hired by the local school district as a high school English teacher. She is 22.

Suzy is single, getting paid $37,691/year pre-tax. Her school district has medical insurance options, costing her $595/mo. Her yealy income before taxes is $30,551. She is taxed at 12% of her gross yearly take home, $3666, leaving her net yearly take home of $26,885.

Suzy's parents decide to move out of state and she must find a place to live. Rent is approximately $1,621/mo for a one bedroom apartment (rent.com, Average Rent Prices in 2020). She signs the lease. Suzy is now paying $19,452/year in rent. She has a remainder of $7,433 left per year. She has $619/mo to live on.

This is the problem in America.

Can you live on $691/mo?

Don't forget groceries, utilities, gas for her car (her parents gave her), car insurance, and repayment of her student loan.

This is precisely why it is impossible for people to make it in this country. You can sit here all day debating the numbers but the fact remains: the numbers don't lie.

Socialized healthcare, exactly what retirees, veterans, and disabled get, would increase Suzy's $691/mo to over $1,200/mo, a more manageable amount being that she is single.

Is she successful? Yes, in my book. She has a career and is doing something positive for society. Can she afford to live? No.

'nuff said.


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Re: Re: GAB
By: Vague to Boraxman on Fri Feb 12 2021 09:57 pm

if you're going to troll people here, you're going to use more
than your internet fuckboi grab bag.

examples:

something like "tHeY'rE nOt vErIfIaBlE fAcTs" due to your confirmation bias.

i notice this new thing with them mixing case in a mocking manner to say the person is retarded or whatever. boring and played out.

Anyway... cool story you go there, Bro. Good times. Wear you mask.

i cant believe you went with 'cool story, bro'


anyways, you are boring and pretty soon people won't even reply to you.
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Re: Re: GAB
By: Dream Master to Gamgee on Sat Feb 13 2021 11:45 am

Let's name our example Suzy. She's 18, just finished high school with a 3.0 GPA. Her parents are lower middle class, making a combined income of $70,000/year pre-tax putting them in the 12% tax bracket. Suzy's parents can afford to take out PLUS loans to pay for her education at the local college; therefore, Suzy must take out student loans to pay for her education. Suzy chooses, wisely, to live at home. Suzy wants to be an English teacher and graduates college with a BA in English. She is saddled with $37,640 in stud loan debt (College Costs, College Board, Public Four-Year College, In State) and chooses a graduated repayment plan over 10 years. She applies and as is hired by the local school district as a high school English teacher. She is 22.

Impopular opinion here.

If education is not payable you should not be paying it and do something else instead.

The fact we have so many degreed people doing unqualified jobs should tell us to stop getting degrees, but we keep telling people that they are only gonna be successful if they get a degree. Which is a lie.

In fact this is a problem I have with socialized education programs. We waste everybody's money creating professionals (or "professionals") we don't need, which then we have to export or recycle for menial tasks.

In the end of the day we get degreed people earning shit (because there is so many of them) after we spent thousands of tax money giving them their degree.

MRO said you have to plan your life in order not to screw up. I think planing to get a biology degree in a community with lots of biologists and no need for yet another biologist _is_ planing to screw up.

I _*HATE*_ this modern cultural trend that makes people believe that they need college education to be somebody, and thus pushes to get everybody college educated. Because it leads to this sort of situation in which you spend thousands of bucks (either yours or the tax payer's) in order to get a job that will never be able to pay itself back.

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Dream Master wrote to Gamgee <=-

Oh, I also believe that, assuming the person is willing to work towards that goal, and put in some effort of their own to achieve it. You used the key word - "entitled". If I hadn't seen you post your rough age, I'd have thought you were part of the millenial/entitlement generation. You sure act like you are.

Ah, thank you! You said it right there, "...willing to work
towards that goal, and put in some effort of their own to achieve
it." Again, our free market economy makes it impossible for
those who don't make enough to afford to live, obtain quality
healthcare, and be in a position to retire at 65, 67, or even 70.
You preordain that everyone should work towards some mysterious
goal making an undefined amount of money thus defines their
acheivement. But that's the problem you fail to grasp. It's not
always possible.

Sure it is. What you still fail to grasp is the simple truth that not everything is "EQUAL" for everybody. Some will retire at 50, some at
70, most somewhere between those ages. Not everybody will be able to
afford the same lifestyle in retirement, just exactly as they don't
during working years. You live within your means and you get by.

Let's name our example Suzy. She's 18, just finished high school
with a 3.0 GPA. Her parents are lower middle class, making a
combined income of $70,000/year pre-tax putting them in the 12%
tax bracket. Suzy's parents can't afford to take out PLUS loans
to pay for her education at the local college; therefore, Suzy
must take out student loans to pay for her education. Suzy
chooses, wisely, to live at home. Suzy wants to be an English
teacher and graduates college with a BA in English. She is
saddled with $37,640 in student loan debt (College Costs, College
Board, Public Four-Year College, In State) and chooses a
graduated repayment plan over 10 years. She applies and as is
hired by the local school district as a high school English
teacher. She is 22.

Suzy is single, getting paid $37,691/year pre-tax. Her school
district has medical insurance options, costing her $595/mo. Her
yealy income before taxes is $30,551. She is taxed at 12% of her
gross yearly take home, $3666, leaving her net yearly take home
of $26,885.

Suzy's parents decide to move out of state and she must find a
place to live. Rent is approximately $1,621/mo for a one bedroom apartment (rent.com, Average Rent Prices in 2020). She signs the
lease. Suzy is now paying $19,452/year in rent. She has a
remainder of $7,433 left per year. She has $619/mo to live on.

That "average" monthly rent is ridiculously high. Maybe it's average in
NYC or LA or whatever, but not in small-town America.

This is the problem in America.

Can you live on $691/mo?

I wouldn't WANT to, but I could, if I was single. Probably DID, when I
was that age and single.

Don't forget groceries, utilities, gas for her car (her parents
gave her), car insurance, and repayment of her student loan.

This is precisely why it is impossible for people to make it in
this country. You can sit here all day debating the numbers but
the fact remains: the numbers don't lie.

Socialized healthcare, exactly what retirees, veterans, and
disabled get, would increase Suzy's $691/mo to over $1,200/mo, a
more manageable amount being that she is single.

Is she successful? Yes, in my book. She has a career and is
doing something positive for society. Can she afford to live?
No.

Your fantasy example leaves out a lot of things. Many young folks help themselves get by in their early years by having roommates and so on.
Also, as I said above, living within your means goes a long ways. In
case you didn't know, a person's earnings do not peak at age 22.

Anyway, what's your solution to the evil scenario that America presents
to young people? It's to change the entire fundamental nature of
America itself into some socialist/communist fantasy world where
everyone's needs are met and handled by the government? Would Suzy be
so much better off in that world? Would Suzy be lower middle class in Venezuela? You know, the Venezuela that is a socialist paradise? How
are those folks doing these days? Are 22 year olds living high on the
hog in Euro-commmie land these days? No debts, no worries over there?

Your boy Bernie tried to sell America on this, and got shut down quite strongly. Even his own party knew he was a fruitcake.



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Re: Re: GAB
By: MRO to Vague on Sat Feb 13 2021 03:20 pm

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if you're going to troll people here, you're going to use more
than your internet fuckboi grab bag.
examples:

something like "tHeY'rE nOt vErIfIaBlE fAcTs" due to your confirmation
bias.

i notice this new thing with them mixing case in a mocking manner to say the person is retarded or whatever. boring and played out.

Anyway... cool story you go there, Bro. Good times. Wear you mask.

i cant believe you went with 'cool story, bro'

I already added him to my .can so I don't see any of his post's
I don't mind someone debating, but when you troll everyone that is conservative and act holier than thou, I draw the "RED LINE in the SAND"
He's the 2nd person I put in the .can, the 1st was our buddy Tim Smith.

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Okay, so there's one person in your entire list. Is there evidence
Maria Butina was operating directly under instruction from Trump?

I don't know. I didn't prosecute or attend the proceedings.

I am just saying it is not a hoax.

I'm not saying there wasn't russian attempts at interference, or china,
or syria and israel for that matter..

The hoax is that Trump had anything to do with it.
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Re: Re: GAB
By: Tracker1 to Al on Sat Feb 13 2021 06:26 pm

I am just saying it is not a hoax.

I'm not saying there wasn't russian attempts at interference, or china, or syria and israel for that matter..

The hoax is that Trump had anything to do with it.

I'm not so sure of anything trump says or does anymore.

He called it both a witch hunt and a hoax, along with climate change and the coronavirus.

Trump (or any president) doesn't need to be well liked. If he'd pay attention to needful things he could likely could have stayed for a second term.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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MRO said you have to plan your life in order not to screw up. I think planing >to get a biology degree in a community with lots of biologists and no need for >yet another biologist _is_ planing to screw up.

100% correct. Problem is that you cannot convince most people that (1) you need a degree (as you pointed out, (2) the government should pay for it,
and (3) everyone should be able to choose what they degree in and be happy.

#3 is only possible in utopia, which is fantasy land. If you are not practical picking your degree, you have no business going to college. If
you do, you will likely get stuck in some unsatisfying job that does not
use much, if any, of your degree knowledge BUT that needs doing.

Something folks who push degrees, and some form of collective/socialist/whatever-you-want-to-call-it utopia don't seem to understand that there are a lot of jobs that "need doing" that don't
require a degree. Someone has to do them. If all you have is elitists who think they should only be doing the job in the field their degree was in
(their impractical to begin with degree), those jobs that "need doing"
don't get done.

I don't care if you are in the "evil" western capitalist society or in the utopia they think is possible, your society will NOT WORK if there are not folks willing to do what needs doing and not seeing those jobs as "beneath them."

I believe the only way you get there is not by pushing kids towards
impractical degrees but instead teaching them to be happy as themselves.

The best way to start down this path is by removing the government
guarantee on student loans. If the kid wants to major in basket weaving,
and basket weaving is not in demand, they are high risk and don't get the
loan. That sounds "mean" but, in the long run, is it any meaner than
sending them on to college to get that meaningless degree and rack up incredible debt that they will never be able to pay off with whatever job
that meaningless degree gets them?

IMHO, filling their heads full of crap, and keeping their pockets empty the rest of their lives, is much meaner than telling them "no" up front.


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Sure it is. What you still fail to grasp is the simple truth that not everything is "EQUAL" for everybody. Some will retire at 50, some at
70, most somewhere between those ages. Not everybody will be able to
afford the same lifestyle in retirement, just exactly as they don't
during working years. You live within your means and you get by.

I am eligible to retire from my current employment in my 50's. To do so, I will need to tighten my belt some. If I am not willing to do so, I won't
be able to afford retirement until my 60's or 70's.

I think the "financial decisions" part is what some fail to grasp. Those
that don't want to make any sacrifices are not going to be able to retire
in their 50s/60s.


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I already added him to my .can so I don't see any of his post's
I don't mind someone debating, but when you troll everyone that is conservative
and act holier than thou, I draw the "RED LINE in the SAND"
He's the 2nd person I put in the .can, the 1st was our buddy Tim Smith.

I have a feeling there are many places on this net where Vague's posts no longer show up.


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I'm not saying there wasn't russian attempts at interference, or china,
or syria and israel for that matter..

The hoax is that Trump had anything to do with it.

Bingo.


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Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-

Sure it is. What you still fail to grasp is the simple truth that not everything is "EQUAL" for everybody. Some will retire at 50, some at
70, most somewhere between those ages. Not everybody will be able to
afford the same lifestyle in retirement, just exactly as they don't
during working years. You live within your means and you get by.

I am eligible to retire from my current employment in my 50's.
To do so, I will need to tighten my belt some. If I am not
willing to do so, I won't be able to afford retirement until my
60's or 70's.

Exactly. Living beyond your means (which for the Dems and millenials
in the crowd means having excessive debt) means a delayed retirement
until that debt can be paid back. It's really quite simple actually.

I think the "financial decisions" part is what some fail to
grasp. Those that don't want to make any sacrifices are not
going to be able to retire in their 50s/60s.

Indeed. I'm afraid many of the recent generation (or two) will be in
for a rude awakening when they reach middle age. Lack of prior planning
will be a huge problem for many of them.

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Re: Re: GAB
By: Denn to MRO on Sat Feb 13 2021 07:41 pm

I already added him to my .can so I don't see any of his post's
I don't mind someone debating, but when you troll everyone that is conservative and act holier than thou, I draw the "RED LINE in the SAND"

yeah he will be going into the twat filter too. i should write a script to make it easier for me.

he was making me feel like i was on facebook again.
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Re: Re: GAB
By: Dumas Walker to DENN on Sun Feb 14 2021 10:28 am

I already added him to my .can so I don't see any of his post's
I don't mind someone debating, but when you troll everyone that is conservative
and act holier than thou, I draw the "RED LINE in the SAND"
He's the 2nd person I put in the .can, the 1st was our buddy Tim Smith.

I have a feeling there are many places on this net where Vague's posts no longer show up.

* SLMR 2.1a * Politically incorrect...and proud of it!!!

that's fine though, that's how it works. people that want to read what he posts can do it, others that dont, dont.

that's why the system works.
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Re: Re: GAB
By: Al to Tracker1 on Sat Feb 13 2021 09:19 pm

I'm not so sure of anything trump says or does anymore.

He called it both a witch hunt and a hoax, along with climate change and the coronavirus.

Trump (or any president) doesn't need to be well liked. If he'd pay attention to needful things he could likely could have stayed for a second term.

Right there. You said it perfectly. Donald Trump chose to call whatever wasn't popular to him and his followers a "Witch Hunt" and a "Hoax". Whether this was COVID-19, Climate Change, the Economy, whatever, that's how he communicated.

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Re: Re: GAB
By: Dumas Walker to DENN on Sun Feb 14 2021 10:28 am

I already added him to my .can so I don't see any of his post's
I don't mind someone debating, but when you troll everyone that is
conservative and act holier than thou, I draw the "RED LINE in the
SAND" He's the 2nd person I put in the .can, the 1st was our buddy Tim
Smith.

I have a feeling there are many places on this net where Vague's posts no longer show up.

That's a bet I would not take:)
at least with Dream Master you get a debate, I respect his opinions.

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MRO wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

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Re: Re: GAB
By: Dumas Walker to DENN on Sun Feb 14 2021 10:28 am

I already added him to my .can so I don't see any of his post's
I don't mind someone debating, but when you troll everyone that is conservative
and act holier than thou, I draw the "RED LINE in the SAND"
He's the 2nd person I put in the .can, the 1st was our buddy Tim Smith.

I have a feeling there are many places on this net where Vague's posts no longer show up.

* SLMR 2.1a * Politically incorrect...and proud of it!!!

that's fine though, that's how it works. people that want to read what
he posts can do it, others that dont, dont.

.CAN?

Is this an individual option to block peoples posts? First I'm hearing of this.


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Re: Re: GAB
By: Dream Master to Al on Sun Feb 14 2021 01:02 pm

Right there. You said it perfectly. Donald Trump chose to call whatever wasn't popular to him and his followers a "Witch Hunt" and a "Hoax".

Donald Trump is a showman, and he put on one hell of a show.

Whether this was COVID-19, Climate Change, the Economy, whatever, that's how he communicated.

Yep, this is what Joe Biden walked into, I've never seen such a mess before.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Re: Re: GAB
By: Boraxman to MRO on Mon Feb 15 2021 10:30 am

he posts can do it, others that dont, dont.

.CAN?

Is this an individual option to block peoples posts? First I'm hearing of this.

only sysops can. if you have an offline reader that supports it, you can go that route.
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I think the "financial decisions" part is what some fail to
grasp. Those that don't want to make any sacrifices are not
going to be able to retire in their 50s/60s.

Indeed. I'm afraid many of the recent generation (or two) will be in
for a rude awakening when they reach middle age. Lack of prior planning
will be a huge problem for many of them.

One thing I cannot fully disagree with Democrats/the left on is that the
lack of proper, prior planning by previous generations, like their parents
or those who threw money at them when they were "earning" a useless degree
and building crushing debts, is eventually going to come back and bite
those future adults who had no hand in those prior decisions.

I don't agree with their fix... throw more good money after bad... though.
I think the fix is to stop throwing any more money at it and changing how things are done to make it more difficult to build that debt to begin with.

"Free college," unless that involves forcing students to get practical educations and changing the limits based on work force demand, is not the
way to fix it.


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Dumas Walker wrote to ARELOR <=-

Something folks who push degrees, and some form of collective/socialist/whatever-you-want-to-call-it utopia don't seem to understand that there are a lot of jobs that "need doing" that don't require a degree.

Oh, no. They are quite well aware of that. But convincing people that degrees are "needed" they:
1. Funnel lots of money into colleges, that are cesspools of useless Lefties
2. Puts kids/parents into debt, which makes them more dependant on the gov't handouts.
3. Puts more kids into the Leftie indocrination centers that many of our universities have become.

I don't care if you are in the "evil" western capitalist society or in
the utopia they think is possible, your society will NOT WORK if there
are not folks willing to do what needs doing and not seeing those jobs
as "beneath them."

The Elites look upon those non-degree jobs with scorn because they are "beneath" them. In reality those kinds of jobs require skill and knowledge
and are completely beyond the ability of the Elites to do. But Elites
**need** to believe that they are better.

I believe the only way you get there is not by pushing kids towards impractical degrees but instead teaching them to be happy as
themselves.

Mike Rowe Works Foundation.

IMHO, filling their heads full of crap, and keeping their pockets empty the rest of their lives, is much meaner than telling them "no" up
front.

But that's what the Lefties want: People as useless as themselves, but
think that they are better than the people who actually **DO** something.
And feeling mad because the local plumber is making better money than they do.


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Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-

I think the "financial decisions" part is what some fail to grasp.
Those that don't want to make any sacrifices are not going to be able
to retire in their 50s/60s.

Even 30-40 years ago, financial planning was NOT something that was commonly taught in the schools. Luckily, my parents did a good job of that with me.

But I know that today, such education is not commonplace at all.


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Gamgee wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

Exactly. Living beyond your means (which for the Dems and millenials
in the crowd means having excessive debt) means a delayed retirement
until that debt can be paid back. It's really quite simple actually.

It means being very dependant on the gov't handouts when you are in
retirement. It's all part of the Plantation scheme that the Dems have
to create large groups of people who will ALWAYS vote Democrat to keep
their handouts coming.


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Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-

I don't agree with their fix... throw more good money after bad...
though. I think the fix is to stop throwing any more money at it and changing how things are done to make it more difficult to build that
debt to begin with.

I think you are looking at this the wrong way.

Everyone knows that throwing good money after bad won't solve the problem,
so I think we can assume that solving the problem is **not** the goal.

So what happens when we just "throw money at the problem"?

1. We get a bunch of worthless Leftie "professors" in worthless Leftie colleges who get to continue making a living doing nothing useful.
Benefit: Lefties.
2. We get a bunch of people who are saddled with debt and have a useless
degree that's not worth anything. These people are dependant on the gov't,
mad at the fact that they "have a degree" but the high paying job that
they were promised never materalized and have the time and hatred to
smash buildings and riot.
Benefit: Lefties.
3. Those colleges, who are flush with money for producing nothing but brainwashed morons, donate back to the Democrat establishment.
Benefit: Lefties.

So why would the Lefties want to fix this? It benefits them all around.


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Re: Re: GAB
By: Dr. What to Dumas Walker on Tue Feb 16 2021 08:37 am

The Elites look upon those non-degree jobs with scorn because they are "beneath" them. In reality those kinds of jobs require skill and knowledge and are completely beyond the ability of the Elites to do. But Elites **need** to believe that they are better.

I believe the only way you get there is not by pushing kids towards

i was the supervisor of a cleaning crew at a big well known company. this was my part time job, 4pm to 9pm.

the workers there treated us like total shit. they reported us every day, made up total lies.

cleaning a huge place in a small amount of time takes a lot of skill. it takes a lot of time management skill. you have to be very organized. a lot of these workers who thought they were better than us were berated constantly for not having these attributes.
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Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-

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I think the "financial decisions" part is what some fail to
grasp. Those that don't want to make any sacrifices are not
going to be able to retire in their 50s/60s.

Indeed. I'm afraid many of the recent generation (or two) will be in
for a rude awakening when they reach middle age. Lack of prior planning will be a huge problem for many of them.

One thing I cannot fully disagree with Democrats/the left on is that
the lack of proper, prior planning by previous generations, like their parents or those who threw money at them when they were "earning" a useless degree and building crushing debts, is eventually going to come back and bite those future adults who had no hand in those prior decisions.

I don't agree with their fix... throw more good money after bad...
though. I think the fix is to stop throwing any more money at it and changing how things are done to make it more difficult to build that
debt to begin with.

"Free college," unless that involves forcing students to get practical educations and changing the limits based on work force demand, is not
the way to fix it.

This is why they go crazy. Reality is shaped by circumstances, and they object to this, so they are at constant war with reality. We shouldn't be subject to any cirumstances, whether the happenstance of the sex we are born as, our ethnicity, race, our parents, family, wealth, etc. These things cannot no matter, yet their ideology says they shouldn't. So instead of learning to live with it, they tear everything apart to try and deconstruct reality itself.

No wonder they are all going mad.

The best 'fix' is to make opportunities available.

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Dr. What wrote to Gamgee <=-

Exactly. Living beyond your means (which for the Dems and millenials
in the crowd means having excessive debt) means a delayed retirement
until that debt can be paid back. It's really quite simple actually.

It means being very dependant on the gov't handouts when you are
in retirement. It's all part of the Plantation scheme that the
Dems have to create large groups of people who will ALWAYS vote
Democrat to keep their handouts coming.

Absolutely. Of course that is really no different than their agenda of keeping pre-retirement folks (working or not) dependant on their
handouts via the "Handouts-for-Votes" program. It's a scheme they've
used for decades, and the program gets big assistance from the media and
from union/labor groups.



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