So what does everyone think about this Covid shit? How fucked up is this? 40 percent of healthcare workers are not vaccinated. WTF?? And some people vaccinated are getting the Delta strain. Masks are back. New York City is paying 100 bucks to anyone not vaccinated to get vaccinated. What's going on in your State? Whats happening in Spain and Euro?? I buddy of mine left for Isreal yesterday. I wonder if he'll be allowed back. Here we GO again!

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Re: Covid Delta
By: HusTler to All on Sun Aug 01 2021 18:43:34

So what does everyone think about this Covid shit? How fucked up is this? 40 percent of healthcare workers are not vaccinated. WTF?? And some people vaccinated are getting the Delta strain. Masks are back. New York City is paying 100 bucks to anyone not vaccinated to get vaccinated. What's going on in your State? Whats happening in Spain and Euro?? I buddy of mine left for Isreal yesterday. I wonder if he'll be allowed back. Here we GO again!

In Korea here. We have the benefit of relatively homogenous society and not many conspiracy nuts, so mask compliance has been near-perfect since it started. Consistently low case numbers compared to most of the world. Unfortunately the government totally screwed up the vaccination
roll-out ("Our case numbers are low, so we can wait for the prices to drop before
ordering vaccines!", oops!). I'm pretty sure it's still less than 30% of the population that's vaccinated.

I'm still hopeful that the end is coming soon. I'm not super worried about all the variants. If a virus is not contagious enough, it dies out. If it's too deadly, it dies out. Etc. etc. Viruses mutate a lot and they almost always mutate themselves out of existence pretty quickly. Maybe Delta will prove me wrong, but my money is on COVID-19 not being such a serious problem once
most people are vaccinated.

I would like to see progress on vaccines for kids. Daycares and schools and things are still a sticky issue since we still can't vaccinate anyone under 12.

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Re: Covid Delta
By: HusTler to All on Sun Aug 01 2021 06:43 pm

So what does everyone think about this Covid shit? How fucked up is this? 4 percent of healthcare workers are not vaccinated. WTF?? And some people vaccinated are getting the Delta strain. Masks are back. New York City is paying 100 bucks to anyone not vaccinated to get vaccinated. What's going on your State? Whats happening in Spain and Euro?? I buddy of mine left for Isr yesterday. I wonder if he'll be allowed back. Here we GO again!

|03 HusTler

In Spain, about half the population is vaccinated and the acceptance rate for the vaccine is around 98% or so.

Masks are not mandatory but everybody keeps wearing them.

The media and the government are throwing the message that "everything is alright" but I don't think people is buying it. The population is more relaxed now than at the begining but that is not saying much.

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Quoting Hustler to All <=-

So what does everyone think about this Covid shit?

Propaganda.

40 percent of healthcare workers are not vaccinated. WTF??

Because they know that the vaccine does more harm than good.

some people vaccinated are getting the Delta strain.

Propaganda.

Masks are back.

The attempt at tyranny masked as "public good" is back.

New York City is paying 100 bucks to anyone not vaccinated to get vaccinated.

Because most people have figured out that the vax doesn't work either.

What's going on in your State?

We've yanked the emergency powers from our tyrant of a governor, so
she'll have to actually have to work with the legislature (as it should
be) to restrict anything. But she's notorious for not working with
anyone, so that won't happen.


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Re: Covid Delta
By: Ksource to HusTler on Mon Aug 02 2021 12:28 am

I would like to see progress on vaccines for kids. Daycares and schools and things are still a sticky issue since we still can't vaccinate anyone under

I was reading some stats last week, and out of specific collectives (immuno-deficitary people, obese people etc) there is not much of a reason to rush and vaccinate people under 45 or so. People 45+ seems to be the ones hitting the hospitals so much that they render any other age group insignificant.

To the point that if somebody mentions that with 50% of the population vaccinated, around 40% of hospital cases have had the vaccine here, they will tell you "It is 50% of the general population which is vaccinated, but 97% of the population that is likely to hit hospital from the virus."

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So what does everyone think about this Covid shit? How fucked up is this? 40 rcent of healthcare workers are not vaccinated. WTF?? And some people vaccinat
are getting the Delta strain. Masks are back. New York City is paying 100 buc
to anyone not vaccinated to get vaccinated. What's going on in your State? Wh
s happening in Spain and Euro?? I buddy of mine left for Isreal yesterday. I w
der if he'll be allowed back. Here we GO again!

It is not just "some" vaccinated that are getting it. I have a friend that works at a hospital about an hour from here. They all got vaxed in Dec/Jan/Feb. Several of them have come down with COVID in the past 6
weeks. The doctors there believe we need a booster. So do the Israelis,
who have started giving them to their citizens. The CDC says we don't need them so we are not getting them. :(

Our state so far is offering three $1million lotteries to the vaxed.

I know of three people in my building now that have COVID. Two were vaxed,
one got their last shot in April. I am not sure about the third one. Our
area has the highest vax rate in the state and is also now one of the RED counties (highest COVID rate category). Maybe people got too relaxed?


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Re: Covid Delta
By: Arelor to Ksource on Mon Aug 02 2021 09:50:05

I was reading some stats last week, and out of specific collectives (immuno-deficitary people, obese people etc) there is not much of a reason to rush and vaccinate people under 45 or so. People 45+ seems to be the ones hitting the hospitals so much that they render any other age group insignificant.

To the point that if somebody mentions that with 50% of the population vaccinated, around 40% of hospital cases have had the vaccine here, they will tell you "It is 50% of the general population which is vaccinated, but 97% of the population that is likely to hit hospital from the virus."

Huh, that's really interesting, and makes a lot of sense. I can totally see why old people (and those with other problems) got prioritized. EVENTUALLY I have to see just about everybody getting vaccinated, though, like we do with measles and whatnot.

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Re: Covid Delta
By: HusTler to All on Sun Aug 01 2021 06:43 pm

So what does everyone think about this Covid shit? How fucked up is this? 40 percent of healthcare workers are not vaccinated. WTF?? And some people vaccinated are getting the Delta strain. Masks are back. New York City is paying 100 bucks to anyone not vaccinated to get vaccinated. What's going on in your State? Whats happening in Spain and Euro?? I buddy of mine left for Isreal yesterday. I wonder if he'll be allowed back. Here we GO again!

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Re: Covid Delta
By: HusTler to All on Sun Aug 01 2021 06:43 pm

So what does everyone think about this Covid shit? How fucked up is this? 40 percent of healthcare workers are not vaccinated. WTF?? And some people vaccinated are getting the Delta strain. Masks are back. New York City is paying 100 bucks to anyone not vaccinated to get vaccinated. What's going on in your State? Whats happening in Spain and Euro?? I buddy of mine left for Isreal yesterday. I wonder if he'll be allowed back. Here we GO again!

I had heard that the vaccines are something like 95% effective (I don't remember the exact number), so it's possible for a vaccinated person to still get covid.. Recently I've been hearing the vaccines are still effective against the delta variant but not as much (I think 60% or something?). I'm a bit disappointed to hear the effectiveness against delta isn't quite as much as against the other variants.

I've heard the delta variant makes up the majority of new covid cases where I live now.

It would be nice for things to get back to normal..

I wonder if the vaccine makers will come up with a booster to increase effectiveness against the delta & others.

Nightfox

Re: Covid Delta
By: Ksource to HusTler on Mon Aug 02 2021 12:28 am

So what does everyone think about this Covid shit? How fucked up is
this? 40 percent of healthcare workers are not vaccinated. WTF?? And

In Korea here. We have the benefit of relatively homogenous society and not many conspiracy nuts, so mask compliance has been near-perfect since

I'm still hopeful that the end is coming soon. I'm not super worried about all the variants. If a virus is not contagious enough, it dies out. If it's too deadly, it dies out. Etc. etc. Viruses mutate a lot and they

I hope you're right. The people in my state are fools and insist on not getting vaccinated. All they keep saying is they don't trust the government and the vaccine. They have no proof of wrong doing by neither but insist they're not getting vaccinated. Even when the government will pay them $100.00 US dollars to do so. I swear, I live in the most fucked up State in the US. BTW most of them were born in another country. Haiti, Jamaica, S.Africa. I need to get out of here but I'm stuck!

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Re: Covid Delta
By: Nightfox to HusTler on Tue Aug 03 2021 10:20 am

I had heard that the vaccines are something like 95% effective (I don't remember the exact number), so it's possible for a vaccinated person to stil get covid.. Recently I've been hearing the vaccines are still effective against the delta variant but not as much (I think 60% or something?). I'm bit disappointed to hear the effectiveness against delta isn't quite as much against the other variants.

Afaik the 95% figures come from the laboratories trying to sell you their vaccines.

In the real world there are lots of issues going on, such as clumsy vaccine distribution ruining the cold chain and delivering botched vaccines. The most optimistic estimations I was reading about as of late hinted at 80% efficency at best. I ran some informal numbers taking into account the hospitalitation numbers in my province and the percentage of vaccinated people both in and out of hospitals and I'd go as far as to say 80% is dishonest advertising already.

Which is why I have been telling everybody since the bloody beggining to stop acting like they are immortal just because they got the vaccine.

(*) Actually I lost the paper I used to run the numbers, but the logic worked as follows: at 80% efficency with 97% of the population inoculated, projections estimate that about half the hospital patients with covid would be vaccinated, and the other half not. Since my province is at a 50% vaccination rate but the patient distribution is the same as the 80% (optimistic) projection, the conclussion is more vaccinated patients are getting hospitalized than expected and therefore the efficency of the vaccine is less than advertised.

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Re: Covid Delta
By: Arelor to HusTler on Mon Aug 02 2021 05:14 am

So what does everyone think about this Covid shit? How fucked up is

In Spain, about half the population is vaccinated and the acceptance rate for the vaccine is around 98% or so.

Masks are not mandatory but everybody keeps wearing them.

The media and the government are throwing the message that "everything is alright" but I don't think people is buying it. The population is more relaxed now than at the begining but that is not saying much.

My main concern is the fact that 48 percent of Health Care workers are not vaccinted. Can you imagine a family member going into the hospital for a simple procedure and then dying from Covid transmittined by their nurse? Holy crap! And here in New York more then half of the workers in Nursing Homes are not vaccinated. I'd probably just torch the hospital if that happend to my family but that's just me.

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Re: Covid Delta
By: MRO to HusTler on Tue Aug 03 2021 11:05 am

So what does everyone think about this Covid shit? How fucked up is
this? 40 percent of healthcare workers are not vaccinated. WTF?? And

check this shit out

https://youtu.be/8raCKcm16pw

Holy Crap! I suddenly got a bad headache. It was good to see Steve again though.

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Hello MRO!

** On Tuesday 03.08.21 - 11:05, MRO wrote to HusTler:

check this shit out

https://youtu.be/8raCKcm16pw

There are many respected Drs/virologists who are simply not
getting heard on mainstream media about this very thing, ADE.

I think Robert F Kennedy Jr was among the first to come forward
with this concern.

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Re: Covid Delta
By: Nightfox to HusTler on Tue Aug 03 2021 10:20 am

I had heard that the vaccines are something like 95% effective (I don't remember the exact number), so it's possible for a vaccinated person to still get covid.. Recently I've been hearing the vaccines are still effective against the delta variant but not as much (I think 60% or

effective how? you get some symptoms but 'not as bad'? that's how it is for everyone until age 70 anyways.

isn't quite as much as against the other variants.

I've heard the delta variant makes up the majority of new covid cases where I live now.

It would be nice for things to get back to normal..

I wonder if the vaccine makers will come up with a booster to increase effectiveness against the delta & others.

just make up whatever numbers you want. it's what they are doing. we would be better off if they were giving us a vaccine that was just saline.
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Re: Covid Delta
By: HusTler to Ksource on Tue Aug 03 2021 03:49 pm

and they

I hope you're right. The people in my state are fools and insist on not getting vaccinated. All they keep saying is they don't trust the government and the vaccine. They have no proof of wrong doing by neither but insist they're not getting vaccinated. Even when the government will pay them

call be a fool. my mom died of covid and i'm not getting it.

it's experimental and you can not sue them if you die or have problems from the vaccine. that tells a lot right there.

now they say people that have the vaccine as spreading covid and the virus is mutating through THEM.

these people took the shot because they were told to. they dont know what will happen to their bodies in the future and right now the facts say viruses are mutating through these people and in the past covid vaccines did the exact same thing according to expert virologists.

so who's the fool.
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Re: Covid Delta
By: HusTler to Arelor on Tue Aug 03 2021 04:10 pm

My main concern is the fact that 48 percent of Health Care workers are not vaccinted. Can you imagine a family member going into the hospital for a simple procedure and then dying from Covid transmittined by their nurse? Holy crap! And here in New York more then half of the workers in Nursing Homes are not vaccinated. I'd probably just torch the hospital if that happend to my family but that's just me.

well according to your thought, if they wear a mask they cant transmit the virus, right?
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Re: Covid Delta
By: Ogg to MRO on Tue Aug 03 2021 06:47 pm

Hello MRO!

** On Tuesday 03.08.21 - 11:05, MRO wrote to HusTler:

check this shit out

https://youtu.be/8raCKcm16pw

There are many respected Drs/virologists who are simply not
getting heard on mainstream media about this very thing, ADE.

I think Robert F Kennedy Jr was among the first to come forward
with this concern.

i tried to find this other video i had but i cant find it. it's another big shot virologist who is now dead. he said fauchi doesnt even understand how viruses work and he's just a suit.
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Hello HusTler!

** On Tuesday 03.08.21 - 16:10, HusTler wrote to Arelor:

My main concern is the fact that 48 percent of Health Care workers are
not vaccinted. Can you imagine a family member going into the hospital for a simple procedure and then dying from Covid transmittined by their nurse?

You can catch a lot of other things in a hospital. It's a place
where many diseases get a chance to be in one place.


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Hello MRO!

** On Tuesday 03.08.21 - 22:05, MRO wrote to HusTler:

call be a fool. my mom died of covid and i'm not getting it.

For years when people with known conditions that they are
treated for cancer, diabetes, high blood pressure, etc.. would
enter hospital for flu, they would be registered as dieing from
the cancer, diabetes, high blood pressure, etc.

Now.. all of a sudden, if anyone enters hospital to be treated
for a flu (no matter what pre-conditions like the above) ..is
registered to have died of covid.


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Quoting Nightfox to Hustler <=-

I had heard that the vaccines are something like 95% effective

That depends on what you mean by "effective".

Effective = stopping COVID - 0% effective.
Effective = reducing death from COVID - it's probably in the 90% range.
But the vaccine has a 33% chance of killing the patient and the chances
of death by COVID for most age groups is less than 0.1%.

so it's possible for a vaccinated person to still get covid.

That was always possible, even probable. Vaccines do not prevent you
from getting a disease. They just stimulate your immune system to be
able to fight it off when you do get the disease. But you still get it,
you are still infected, you are still contageous.

Recently I've been hearing the vaccines
are still effective against the delta variant but not as much (I think
60% or something?).

The delta variant is far less lethal. Far fewer hospitalizations and
deaths - unless you've had the vaccine. Then it's worse.

It would be nice for things to get back to normal..

That's up to the tyrants running the gov'ts. It has nothing to do with
COVID.

I wonder if the vaccine makers will come up with a booster to increase effectiveness against the delta & others.

Soon. That was always their plan since their vaccine did nothing to
sterlize the virus.


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Quoting Hustler to Ksource <=-

I hope you're right. The people in my state are fools and insist on
not getting vaccinated.

The only fools are the ones getting vaccinated against a disease with a
99.9% survival rate with a vaccine with a 66% survival rate.

All they keep saying is they don't trust the
government and the vaccine.

That's well founded and has been for a long, long time.

They have no proof of wrong doing by
neither but insist they're not getting vaccinated.

Actually, there is plenty of proof. But you have to stop watching the Propaganda Ministry shows to get it.

Even when the government will pay them $100.00 US dollars to do so.

Part of the proof that the vaccine isn't.


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Quoting Hustler to Arelor <=-

My main concern is the fact that 48 percent of Health Care workers
are not vaccinted.

Because they see people dying from the "vaccine" and they know the real
COVID numbers (not the one the Propaganda Ministry is pushing).

Can you imagine a family member going into the
hospital for a simple procedure and then dying from Covid
transmittined by their nurse?

Can you imagine not having enough nurses to staff a hospital because
they died or were disabled by the vaccine?

Can you imagine having to choose between keeping you job and getting
"vaccine" with a 33% death rate to "cure" you from getting a disease
with a 99.5+% survival rate?

It seems you've fallen for the propaganda that the only way to get
immunity is with a vaccine.

Holy crap! And here in New York more
then half of the workers in Nursing Homes are not vaccinated.

Why bother? COVID already raged through the nursing homes killing
people. You can thank Cuomo for that. The survivors have the
antibodies, which is far safer than getting the vax.


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Quoting Ogg to Mro <=-

Now.. all of a sudden, if anyone enters hospital to be treated
for a flu (no matter what pre-conditions like the above) ..is
registered to have died of covid.

Right. It started with "if you die with COVID, you are listed as a
COVID death." So the guy who was in a big car accident with multiple
internal injuries, died from COVID.

Then it morphed into "well, we can't keep doing this COVID test, so if
you show COVID-like symptoms (i.e. you have the flu), then you have
COVID."

Even the CDC admits that only 6% of their "COVID deaths" are actually
COVID deaths. The rest are "they died, but we think they had COVID."


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Dr. What wrote to NIGHTFOX <=-

Quoting Nightfox to Hustler <=-

I had heard that the vaccines are something like 95% effective

That depends on what you mean by "effective".

Effective = stopping COVID - 0% effective.
Effective = reducing death from COVID - it's probably in the 90%
range. But the vaccine has a 33% chance of killing the patient
and the chances of death by COVID for most age groups is less
than 0.1%.

Seriously? You're claiming that the vaccine kills 33% of those who get
it? Is that what you're saying?

So....... there have been 55 MILLION (roughly) deaths (in the USA)
caused directly by the vaccine? Do you actually believe that, or are
just spouting off bullshit to get attention?

Don't be a fucking idiot/whacko.



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Re: Covid Delta
By: Dr. What to NIGHTFOX on Wed Aug 04 2021 08:35 am

But the vaccine has a 33% chance of killing the patient and the chances

I think a 33% chance would be so obscene as to ring some alarms, really.

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Nightfox wrote to HusTler <=-

I had heard that the vaccines are something like 95% effective (I don't remember the exact number), so it's possible for a vaccinated person to still get covid..

And you're much less likely to die, because the severity will be lessened.




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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Wed Aug 04 2021 07:20 am

Nightfox wrote to HusTler <=-

I had heard that the vaccines are something like 95% effective (I don't remember the exact number), so it's possible for a vaccinated person to still get covid..

And you're much less likely to die, because the severity will be lessened.

how do you know that? the severity is already lessened. most people have no symptoms.

i think when they say it won't be as bad with the vaccine that's just bullshit to get people to take the vaccine.

they already know covid viruses mutate with vaccines and can't be controlled with vaccines, but they did it anyways.
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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Aug 05 2021 09:41 pm

they already know covid viruses mutate with vaccines and can't be controlled with vaccines, but they did it anyways.

I think you are hitting jackpot here.

That vaccines are mitigation techniques at best against this sort of virus was known already. The fact the media and politicians are selling vaccines as the miracle that will wipe covid-19 out is shady if just because of that.

Lots of diseases have vaccines deployed against them, and still those diseases don't fade away. It is often due to the fact there are lots of strains in the wild, so the labs can only try to guess which strains are going to hit hard in a given season and vaccine against the likely ones.

My hypothesis is that vaccines are being sold as the ultimate weapon which will save us all because vaccines are actually pacification techniques. People is burned out with lockdowns and restrictions, so they need to be told there is light at the end of the tunnel. For a politician, it makes sense to pick a given tool (such as vaccines) and ensure it is used everywhere, tell people problems are close to over, and use vaccination rates as a success meter. "Hey, look, this administration is doing great because we have vaccined 30% of the population in X months!"

They use this approach for most problems, actually.

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Quoting Gamgee to Dr. What <=-

Seriously? You're claiming that the vaccine kills 33% of those who
get it? Is that what you're saying?

Yes, that's what the data shows.

Don't be a fucking idiot/whacko.

Ahhh.. Standard Leftie Elite. When faced with facts that counter your
false Narrative, it's dismiss the facts and start with the personal
attacks.


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Quoting Arelor to Dr. What <=-

I think a 33% chance would be so obscene as to ring some alarms,
really.

It is. But you won't hear it from the Propaganda Ministry.

You do hear it from the medical community. Ex: Why do you think many
health professionals are NOT getting the vax?


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Quoting Mro to Poindexter Fortran <=-

how do you know that? the severity is already lessened. most people
have no symptoms.

Right. Many people already had COVID, showed little to no symptoms and recovered.

they already know covid viruses mutate with vaccines and can't be controlled with vaccines, but they did it anyways. -!-

They can be controlled, but they need to use a sterlizing vaccine -
which is NOT what's being used today. Read up on how they took care of
Polio. Very insightful as to what's NOT being done with COVID.

So, all the COVID vax does is boost people's immune system (if it
doesn't cause a serious side effect). So people still get COVID. They
show fewer/lesser symptoms. But they still shed the virus and spread
it. And, as you point out, they also shed the mutations.


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Re: Covid Delta
By: Dr. What to ARELOR on Fri Aug 06 2021 08:21 am

You do hear it from the medical community. Ex: Why do you think many

Yeah that was the case when I was in ER for 4 days last month. None of the doctors or nurses wanted the vax and most said the majority of people in hospital for covid were FROM the vax (bad reactions).

Funny how less than a month later the news is telling is only unvaccinated people are getting it. Not true! Close coworker of mine got the vax a few weeks ago, and tested positive for covid just now.

All those medial workers who are against it will get it soon enough tho if they want to keep their jobs. Biden admin pushing business to force it for them...

Curious why businesses aren't asking employees to prove they've been vaccinated for Small Pox, and other things that are way more serious than covid...


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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Dr. What to MRO on Fri Aug 06 2021 08:22 am

So, all the COVID vax does is boost people's immune system (if it
So, all the COVID vax does is boost people's immune system (if it
doesn't cause a serious side effect). So people still get COVID. They
show fewer/lesser symptoms. But they still shed the virus and spread
it. And, as you point out, they also shed the mutations.

Interesting that in 2017 I think it was Boston College (i'd have to find it) was gratned $$ to do a study on mice where they inserted a molecule-sized sac of some chemical into their brain. When stimulated with a low level frequency, the bags burst and the chemical was deployed.

The chemical either stimulated hunger, or satsified hunger.

"Watch, we make mice hungry" play sound, mouse eats.
"Watch, we make mice not hungry" play sound, mouse ignores food.

Guess how the molecule with the sac was delivered to the brain?

Yep. Vaccine.

So ask yourself, is it coincidence that the govt. wants everyone vaccinated?

Maybe they figured out how to turn on/off your political affilliation.

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My main concern is the fact that 48 percent of Health Care workers are not va
inted. Can you imagine a family member going into the hospital for a simple pr
edure and then dying from Covid transmittined by their nurse? Holy crap! And h
e in New York more then half of the workers in Nursing Homes are not vaccinate
I'd probably just torch the hospital if that happend to my family but that's st me.

Vaccinated people can also spread it. They just supposedly won't get as
sick if they come down with it as an unvaccinated person would. The
government and press are also saying that the unvaccinated population is
where the virus is likely to mutate.


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i tried to find this other video i had but i cant find it. it's another big sho
virologist who is now dead. he said fauchi doesnt even understand how viruses >work and he's just a suit.

There are people in the FIDO Politics echo who think that Fauci is above reproach.


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Dr. What wrote to GAMGEE <=-

Seriously? You're claiming that the vaccine kills 33% of those who
get it? Is that what you're saying?

Yes, that's what the data shows.

Show me a link/reference that says 33% of people who get the vaccine
have died.

Do you have any concept of numbers? There have been roughly 165 MILLION people vaccinated in the USA. Once again I ask you (because you clipped
it and didn't answer) - Do you honestly think 55 MILLION people have
died in the USA from the vaccine? It's a simple question, please answer
it.

Don't be a fucking idiot/whacko.

Ahhh.. Standard Leftie Elite. When faced with facts that counter
your false Narrative, it's dismiss the facts and start with the
personal attacks.

More evidence that you're a moron. I'm about as far from a Leftie as
one can get, other than you extreme fringe fanatics. I'm a staunch conservative and voted for Trump. My other postings here and elsewhere
are easy verifications of what I'm saying.

It's assholes like you that give the Right Wing a bad reputation.

Now answer the question above about 55 Million people dead in the USA
from taking the vaccine.



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Zombie Mambo wrote to Dr. What <=-

So, all the COVID vax does is boost people's immune system (if it
So, all the COVID vax does is boost people's immune system (if it
doesn't cause a serious side effect). So people still get COVID. They
show fewer/lesser symptoms. But they still shed the virus and spread
it. And, as you point out, they also shed the mutations.

Interesting that in 2017 I think it was Boston College (i'd have
to find it) was gratned $$ to do a study on mice where they
inserted a molecule-sized sac of some chemical into their brain.
When stimulated with a low level frequency, the bags burst and
the chemical was deployed.

The chemical either stimulated hunger, or satsified hunger.

"Watch, we make mice hungry" play sound, mouse eats.
"Watch, we make mice not hungry" play sound, mouse ignores food.

Guess how the molecule with the sac was delivered to the brain?

Yep. Vaccine.

So ask yourself, is it coincidence that the govt. wants everyone vaccinated?

Maybe they figured out how to turn on/off your political
affilliation.

Oh look! It's Beavis and Butthead having a conversation.

How cute^H^H^H^H pathetic.


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Re: Covid Delta
By: Dumas Walker to HUSTLER on Fri Aug 06 2021 03:37 pm

Vaccinated people can also spread it. They just supposedly won't get as sick if they come down with it as an unvaccinated person would. The government and press are also saying that the unvaccinated population is where the virus is likely to mutate.

i would like to know the 'science' behind that, though. why do they think that? and is it even possible? and how would they know since most people have minimal symptoms?
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Re: Covid Delta
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Fri Aug 06 2021 03:39 pm

i tried to find this other video i had but i cant find it. it's another big sho
virologist who is now dead. he said fauchi doesnt even understand how viruses >work and he's just a suit.

There are people in the FIDO Politics echo who think that Fauci is above reproach.

fidonet people are even bigger dipshit dinosaurs than we are.
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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Gamgee to Zombie Mambo on Fri Aug 06 2021 09:05 pm

Oh look! It's Beavis and Butthead having a conversation.

How cute^H^H^H^H pathetic.

... Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.

There's a worthwhile reply.


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Re: Covid Delta
By: HusTler to All on Sun Aug 01 2021 06:43 pm

So what does everyone think about this Covid shit? How fucked up is this?

Sorry kinda late to the conversation. It's fairly crappy, especially here in Texas as our governor isn't doing a thing to slow the spread. Hospitals are filling up, and will probably be completely full by the time schools start back. And he's not allowing schools to put in any mandates for masks, Texas Education Administration has told schools they don't have to quarantine for close contact or contact families if a case is found in the school, it'll be a mess. My daughter, me, and my wife are vaxxed but my son is too young for it.

Also around here going about town ANYWHERE you see zero masks. Our county 4-5 weeks ago had on average 10 cases a day and about 8 hospitalized. Now we're up to about 160 new cases a day and hospitalized is up to about 120 with 12 on vents. The entire last month we had 4 deaths, we had just 4 deaths on Friday, 3 of them under 5.

Texas and Florida are royally screwed as their governors just don't care... they're putting the will of their campaign contributers first and not the safety of our healthcare and educational systems. CEO's of all the major hospitals and many superintendents and educators and parents are begging the governor to act. He had an executive order that would've kicked in when hositals hit 15%, but he pulled it literally the day our first medical region hit 15%. Now several of our medical regions are already at 20% of all hospital beds are covid cases... and Houston and Dallas are already reporting fully hositals with many others shutting down their ER's due to zero room. And school hasn't even started yet.

It's a mess for sure thanks to our state's failed leadership.

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Re: Covid Delta
By: Sam Alexander to HusTler on Sat Aug 07 2021 09:11 pm

we had just 4 deaths on Friday, 3 of them under 5.

Correction - 3 of them under 50... sorry. Didn't notice the typo until after I hit Send.

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Zombie Mambo wrote to Dr. What <=-

Funny how less than a month later the news is telling is only
unvaccinated people are getting it. Not true! Close coworker of mine
got the vax a few weeks ago, and tested positive for covid just now.

Some areas are reporting that upwards of 70% of new cases are from the vaccinated.

All those medial workers who are against it will get it soon enough tho
if they want to keep their jobs. Biden admin pushing business to force
it for them...

If they keep pushing, we are going to get socialized medicine, at a higher price because many health care workers will probably quit, which will make the lack of health care workers (that we already have) even worse.

Curious why businesses aren't asking employees to prove they've been vaccinated for Small Pox, and other things that are way more serious
than covid...

The smallpox vaccine is actually a vaccine and has been through the years of trials so that we know the problems with it.


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Zombie Mambo wrote to Dr. What <=-

Maybe they figured out how to turn on/off your political affilliation.

It's a backup plan if the Left doesn't get their way to let all the illegals vote.


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Dr. What wrote to Zombie Mambo <=-

Funny how less than a month later the news is telling is only
unvaccinated people are getting it. Not true! Close coworker of mine
got the vax a few weeks ago, and tested positive for covid just now.

Some areas are reporting that upwards of 70% of new cases are
from the vaccinated.

Really? That's just the opposite of what I've seen reported. In fact,
what I'm seeing reported is that 95+ % of new cases are from the UN-vaccinated.

Would you mind telling us where these "some areas" are, exactly and specifically? Also could you cite a reference/link of the "reporting"
that is saying this?

Or.... will you just not answer my questions, as you didn't answer the
other one(s) I asked you regarding your claim that 33% of those who get vaccinated *DIE* from the vaccine?

You can't just spew bullshit without somebody asking you to substantiate
your claims. Here's your chance to actually make your case. Back up
what you say. Can you?


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Dr. What wrote to GAMGEE <=-

Ahhh.. Standard Leftie Elite. When faced with facts that counter your false Narrative, it's dismiss the facts and start with the personal attacks.

Please explain how this is in any way different from how the Right behaves?


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Vaccinated people can also spread it. They just supposedly won't get as sick if they come down with it as an unvaccinated person would. The government and press are also saying that the unvaccinated population is where the virus is likely to mutate.

i would like to know the 'science' behind that, though. why do they think that
and is it even possible? and how would they know since most people have minimal
symptoms?

How they explain it in layman's terms is that the unvaxed do not have the antibodies that a vaxed person would have. So, while the antibodies fight
off the virus before it can mutate in a vaxed person, an unvaxed person is likely to be sicker longer and give the virus a longer chance to start mutating.

I guess a virus has to have a host to mutate in.

I would not mind a more scientific explanation, either. What do they say
makes sense but I am not a scientist so who knows?


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Texas Education Adm
inistration has told schools they don't have to quarantine for close contact or
contact families if a case is found in the school, it'll be a mess. My daughte

That sounds messed up. Here in Kentucky, they seem to be putting privacy
in front of contacting people who might have been exposed, but they seem to
be doing a better job than that. I don't have kids in school, though, and
they are leaving a lot of those decisions to the individual school systems.

Also around here going about town ANYWHERE you see zero masks. Our county 4-5
eeks ago had on average 10 cases a day and about 8 hospitalized. Now we're up
about 160 new cases a day and hospitalized is up to about 120 with 12 on vent
The entire last month we had 4 deaths, we had just 4 deaths on Friday, 3 of em under 5.

Texas and Florida are royally screwed as their governors just don't care... th
're putting the will of their campaign contributers first and not the safety o
our healthcare and educational systems.

I don't think it is just TX and FL. In Kentucky, we are seeing numbers now that, last year, would have got us locked down and mask-mandated by now. Instead, we only have mask-mandates in government buildings, and only suggestions elsewhere. Our governor is from the opposite party of yours,
so I am wondering what the difference is vs. last year. Only one I can
figure is that, this time last year, a different person was President so
our governor is now more hesitant to do things that might hurt the economy.

He is now 2 years into a 4 year term, so he also may be starting to worry
about getting re-elected himself.


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we had just 4 deaths on Friday, 3 of them under 5.

Correction - 3 of them under 50... sorry. Didn't notice the typo until after hit Send.

I was skeptical about getting the shot but, one of my motivating factors
was that someone my age... we are both around 50... got really sick with
COVID before the shots were available. She was not a smoker and did not
have any existing health issues that would supposedly make it worse. She was in the hospital for about 3 weeks and had some lingering symptoms for a long time after (may still).

After seeing that, I was not as hesitant to sign up for the shot as soon as
it was available to my age and employment group.

Yesterday, I attended a memorial service for one of my cousins. He was in
his sixties, was a heavy smoker, and may have had some additional,
undiagnosed health issues. He contracted COVID about a year ago. He got
over it, after a hospital stay, but it did damage to his heart values and that contributed to his early death.

A lot of people get it and barely have symptoms but, if you do get it, it
could really kick your ass.


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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Dr. What to Zombie Mambo on Sun Aug 08 2021 06:52 am

The smallpox vaccine is actually a vaccine and has been through the years of trials so that we know the problems with it.

... A nudist has no reason to fear a pickpocket.

yes- agreed. govt has no business pressuring people to take an experiemental drug not yet certified by fda, let alone pressuring people into ANYTHING.
How easily people forget the job of the president is to execute the laws of this country. They don't make law. Imagine if the president could not be affilliated with a party. Had to be independent. Was forced to do his job and concentrate on bringing sides together... amazing. unrealistic...

btw your tag line... Apparently you've never hear of the Pasco Pocket or Pasco Purse...


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Re: Covid Delta
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sun Aug 08 2021 09:17 am

I guess a virus has to have a host to mutate in.

A virus cannot even reproduce without a host, so yeah, they need a host in order to mutate.

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Re: Covid Delta
By: Sam Alexander to HusTler on Sat Aug 07 2021 09:11 pm

So what does everyone think about this Covid shit? How fucked up is
this?

Dallas are already reporting fully hositals with many others shutting down their ER's due to zero room. And school hasn't even started yet.

It's a mess for sure thanks to our state's failed leadership.

New York is messed up too. Now the primary focus is getting the govenor (Cuomo) to resign and if not be impeached. No progress on COVID-19 other than the unvaccinated are getting sick.

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Re: Covid Delta
By: Dumas Walker to SAM ALEXANDER on Sun Aug 08 2021 10:04 am

over it, after a hospital stay, but it did damage to his heart values and that contributed to his early death.

A lot of people get it and barely have symptoms but, if you do get it, it could really kick your ass.

i'm betting if they checked everyone for antibodies, almost all of us had it. it's super contagious.

that being said, the percentage of people it kills is incredibly low, and almost all of them had contributing factors.

it got my mom and she was the only woman in my family that didnt live to be 80+. the women in my family are super tough. but mom was a big smoker and fat, and every year she would get some type of cold/flu around nov-dec.
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Re: Covid Delta
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Fri Aug 06 2021 03:39 pm

There are people in the FIDO Politics echo who think that Fauci is above reproach.

There are exactly two kinds of people in the FIDO Politics echo. One thinks Fauci is above reproach, the other things Fauci is a lying weasel that wants to see how far he can take this.


There is no middle ground there. Fuck that place.

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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Dr. What to Zombie Mambo on Sun Aug 08 2021 06:52 am

Some areas are reporting that upwards of 70% of new cases are from the vaccinated.

That number you're quoting is from an extremely small sample size in an extremely isolated incident.

Curious why businesses aren't asking employees to prove they've been
vaccinated for Small Pox, and other things that are way more serious
than covid...

In 1905, the supreme court ruled that a vaccine could be mandatory. This was in relation to the smallpox vaccine. Smallpox has been wiped out, so the vaccine is no longer required.

The smallpox vaccine is actually a vaccine and has been through the years of trials so that we know the problems with it.

Right, like the J&J Covid-19 vaccine, which is a traditional vaccine, and not an mRNA vaccine like the pfizer and Moderna ones, which have only been in testing and development for ... 30 years.

As opposed to that smallpox vaccination that became mandatory, that was in testing and development for only a few years.

I was talking to my uncle a couple weeks ago. He was telling me that, when he was a child, it was illegal for children to leave their own yard. They couldn't go to friends houses or have anyone over for at least an entire summer before the polio vaccine was rolled out. And everyone adhered to it, and no one made it a political thing.

by 1979, polio had been eradicated from the US, because people got vaccinated.

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Dr. What wrote to GAMGEE <=-

Ahhh.. Standard Leftie Elite. When faced with facts that counter your false Narrative, it's dismiss the facts and start with the personal attacks.

Please explain how this is in any way different from how the Right behaves?

The right doesn't do that. Of course, you've only listened to the
Leftie's definition of what the "Right" is, so I can understand why you
are confused.


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Quoting Dumas Walker to Mro <=-

How they explain it in layman's terms is that the unvaxed do not have
the antibodies that a vaxed person would have. So, while the
antibodies fight off the virus before it can mutate in a vaxed person,
an unvaxed person is likely to be sicker longer and give the virus a longer chance to start mutating.

The stated purpose of the "vaccine" is to trick a person's body into
creating the anti-bodies that fight off COVID. So there is no
difference between someone who had COVID, fought it off and has the anti-bodies.

The Lefties still haven't explained why they think this isn't the case.

But you do hit on the problem that the anti-bodies have: mutation. If
you have the anti-bodies, that doesn't mean you can't get COVID. It
just means your body knows how to fight it off. So in either case, you
still get sick, you still can spread it and the virus mutates to avoid
the anti-bodies.

I guess a virus has to have a host to mutate in.

A virus is pretty much nothing more than a "payload" of instructions to
make the host make more virus. They didn't name "computer viruses" that
way at a whim.


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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Gamgee to Dr. What on Fri Aug 06 2021 08:59 pm

Show me a link/reference that says 33% of people who get the vaccine
have died.

https://www.capradio.org/articles/2021/05/10/no-the-death-rate-for-vaccinated-p 1.8% die without vax when they get covid.
1% die after getting covid after being vaxd.

Between December 2020 and July 19th, 2021, VAERS received 6,207 reports of deat h...Out of 187m people vaccinated, in US. 0.0018%



Let's say that's a true statement.

now, according the th AP:
THE FACTS: As of July 23, there were more than 34.3 million known cases of COVI 19 in the United States and 610,370 deaths, according to data from
Johns Hopkins University. That means the case fatality ratio is 1.8%...

Given room for error, etc. it would appear that you have the same chance of survivng covide regardless of your vax status. To argue otherwise is to try
to take a small # and use it to your argument's advantage, either pro or agains

Bottom Line: Makes no difference, not worth discussing, open up the countries and lets move on.

Quicker we can get herd immunity, and do long term studies for a proper vax instead of an experimental drug the better.



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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Gamgee to Dr. What on Sun Aug 08 2021 07:37 am

Dr. What wrote to Zombie Mambo <=-

Funny how less than a month later the news is telling is only unvaccinated people are getting it. Not true! Close coworker of mine got the vax a few weeks ago, and tested positive for covid just now.

Some areas are reporting that upwards of 70% of new cases are
from the vaccinated.

Really? That's just the opposite of what I've seen reported. In fact,
what I'm seeing reported is that 95+ % of new cases are from the UN-vaccinated.

Would you mind telling us where these "some areas" are, exactly and specifically? Also could you cite a reference/link of the "reporting"
that is saying this?

Or.... will you just not answer my questions, as you didn't answer the
other one(s) I asked you regarding your claim that 33% of those who get vaccinated *DIE* from the vaccine?

You can't just spew bullshit without somebody asking you to substantiate your claims. Here's your chance to actually make your case. Back up
what you say. Can you?

... All the easy problems have been solved.

Well in his defense I will say that, everything you are saying assumes your sources are legit. Many people will not agree with you.

Now what?

You're automatically right because you're willing to cite your source which half the world doesn't trust/believe?

So, you see why many people refuse to play your game, its pointless.
And they already know your ability to consider another opinion is basically non existent, so why bother trying to ?

I on the other hand, could give two shits what you, or anybody else things, about what I have to say...

And I'll speak for the little guy not willing.

Ever hear of province town? Why are their vaccinated catching covid. That's
an AREA last time I checked, by the way.

Oh and this little thing called the CDC which many people believe to be the end-all-be-all authority says this little tidbit:

Available evidence suggests the currently authorized mRNA COVID-19 vaccines (Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna) are highly effective against hospitalization and death for a variety of strains, including Alpha (B.1.1.7), Beta (B.1.351), Gamma (P.1), and Delta (B.1.617.2); data suggest lower effectiveness against confirmed infection and symptomatic disease caused by the Beta, Gamma, and Delta variants compared with the ancestral strain and Alpha variant. Ongoing monitoring of vaccine effectiveness against variants is needed.

They are saying (ijn case you don't beleive the words) that the current vaccines ARE NOT very effective against different and new strains of covid. We know that there are AREAS in our country where these strains are more common and dense (do you REALLY need me to post a map, or are you starting to get that it isn't MY or any other user's job to educate YOU?) and people in those areas who have been vaccinated are catching covid.

So there you go, fuck nuts.

Pay attention to other sources, get a better idea of what's really happening, before you try to belittle someone for making a fucking comment.


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Hello MRO!

** On Monday 09.08.21 - 03:40, MRO wrote to Dumas Walker:

i'm betting if they checked everyone for antibodies, almost
all of us had it. it's super contagious.

THAT's exactly what they should be testing people for, the
antibodies, and not rely on unreliable and inconsistent PCR
tests.

I had a very unusual flu late 2019. I did not have the common
reported symptoms, but I did develop a high temperture at 104F
for a few hours. The whole thing was over in 4 days.


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On 8/1/2021 6:43 PM, HUSTLER wrote to ALL:

@MSGID: <61072396.5148.dove-debate@havens.synchronetbbs.org>

So what does everyone think about this Covid shit? How fucked up is this? 40

percent of healthcare workers are not vaccinated. WTF?? And some people vaccinated
are getting the Delta strain. Masks are back. New York City is paying 100 bucks to
anyone not vaccinated to get vaccinated. What's going on in your State? Whats happening in Spain and Euro?? I buddy of mine left for Isreal yesterday. I wonder if he'll
be allowed back. Here we GO again!

Masks are pointless unless you have a K95/N95.
If you dont get a vaccine and get sick to that virus you should not get paid sick days if
that is the reason why you are sick.


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Quoting Daitengu to Dr. What <=-

That number you're quoting is from an extremely small sample size in
an extremely isolated incident.

".. and what makes them [Lefties] tremendously dangerous is that facts
that contridict what they believe are simply ignored or evaded."
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Quoting Mro to Dumas Walker <=-

i'm betting if they checked everyone for antibodies, almost all of us
had it. it's super contagious.

They tried to do widespread anti-body testing, but when early results
showed that the vast majority of people had the anti-bodies, the testing
was halted.

that being said, the percentage of people it kills is incredibly low,
and almost all of them had contributing factors.

According to the CDC own propaganda, 94% had contributing factors.

it got my mom and she was the only woman in my family that didnt live
to be 80+. the women in my family are super tough. but mom was a big smoker and fat, and every year she would get some type of cold/flu
around nov-dec.

According to health professionals, these types of viruses are constantly
around us. They only impact us when our immune systems are weakened.
For those who live in the northern areas, that's pretty much fall-spring
when we don't get enough Vitamin D (also known as cold and flu season).


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Quoting Zombie Mambo to Gamgee <=-

So, you see why many people refuse to play your game, its pointless.
And they already know your ability to consider another opinion is basically non existent, so why bother trying to ?

Which is why he's in my twit filter now. There's no point wasting time "discussing" anything with him.

They are saying (ijn case you don't beleive the words) that the
current vaccines ARE NOT very effective against different and new
strains of covid.

We now know that the vaccines have zero evidence of effectiveness
against COVID. And the drug companies know that.

Pay attention to other sources, get a better idea of what's really happening, before you try to belittle someone for making a fucking comment.

But that would require him to accept the idea that he (and the
"experts" he worhips) might be wrong. And people like him cannot face
that idea.


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Re: RE: Covid Delta
By: MATTHEW MUNSON to HUSTLER on Sun Aug 01 2021 07:08 pm

On 8/1/2021 6:43 PM, HUSTLER wrote to ALL:

@MSGID: <61072396.5148.dove-debate@havens.synchronetbbs.org>

So what does everyone think about this Covid shit? How fucked up is this? 40

percent of healthcare workers are not vaccinated. WTF?? And some people vaccinated
are getting the Delta strain. Masks are back. New York City is paying 100 bucks to
anyone not vaccinated to get vaccinated. What's going on in your State? Whats happening in Spain and Euro?? I buddy of mine left for Isreal yesterday. I wonder if he'll
be allowed back. Here we GO again!

Masks are pointless unless you have a K95/N95.
If you dont get a vaccine and get sick to that virus you should not get paid

hey your quoting is borked.
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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Dr. What to DAITENGU on Tue Aug 10 2021 08:14 am

That number you're quoting is from an extremely small sample size in
an extremely isolated incident.

".. and what makes them [Lefties] tremendously dangerous is that facts that contridict what they believe are simply ignored or evaded."
-- Thomas Sowell

I did not ignore it, nor did I evade it.

correlation does not imply causation.

While yes, some vaccinated people are catching COVID-19, the overall number is very small.

DaiTengu

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Masks are back. New York City is paying
100 bucks to
anyone not vaccinated to get vaccinated. What's going on in your State?

In Oregon, USA they are doing the same [bs] $100 bribe. And what about those of us who got vaxxed prior? NO, I don't want $100 to go do something that *I* think you should, but I damn sure don't want to PAY from their [dumb]asses to go get vaccinated.

Masks are now 'mandated' in Portland again, but since everyone has gone thru the rigmarole last year they know its not an enforceable rule - and AREN'T masking up. Even more so than before, I'm the weirdo for mitigating...



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While yes, some vaccinated people are catching COVID-19, the overall number is very small.

DaiTengu

First, I'm with you DaiTengu... this isn't a reply [necessarily] disagreeing.. but I don't know IF that number IS 'very small'. My point isn't that the other stance is correct - we need to get this population vaccinated, NOW.

But furthermore, we need to be looking at if we need a booster or not - if we can create new vaxes or change the current ones.. and we need data. Again, I'm with you... but I want information of how 'high' or how 'very small' these numbers are. I'm not convinced that ANY of us are getting perfect info... transparency is so needed, and we haven't REALLY had that this entire time.



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There are exactly two kinds of people in the FIDO Politics echo. One thinks uci is above reproach, the other things Fauci is a lying weasel that wants to e how far he can take this.

I actually don't believe either. I believe he is an attention whore who
seems to change his opinion much more often than other medical
professionals who are not in the media nearly as much. That is different
than the second group as I don't think he lies on purpose or is trying to string this out... if anything, some of his opinions lately seem to me not
to be serious enough.


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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: DaiTengu to Dr. What on Tue Aug 10 2021 09:22 am

While yes, some vaccinated people are catching COVID-19, the overall number is very small.

how do we know that? most people dont have symptoms. are their studies? probably not.
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Re: Covid Delta
By: Dumas Walker to DAITENGU on Tue Aug 10 2021 04:54 pm

There are exactly two kinds of people in the FIDO Politics echo. One thinks uci is above reproach, the other things Fauci is a lying weasel that wants to e how far he can take this.

I actually don't believe either. I believe he is an attention whore who seems to change his opinion much more often than other medical
professionals who are not in the media nearly as much. That is different than the second group as I don't think he lies on purpose or is trying to string this out... if anything, some of his opinions lately seem to me not to be serious enough.

you just need to look at his past. he's a media whore. he's hated by his peers. some of the biggest guys in virology said he's nothing but a suit and knows nothing about viruses.
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Hello paulie420!

** On Tuesday 10.08.21 - 15:33, paulie420 wrote to DaiTengu:

First, I'm with you DaiTengu... this isn't a reply
[necessarily] disagreeing.. but I don't know IF that number
IS 'very small'. My point isn't that the other stance is
correct - we need to get this population vaccinated, NOW.

You're forgetting that not everyone is a candidate. People with
compromised or weak immune systems should not take it. A vaxx
does nothing in a person who has no immune system. People with
sensitivities and allergies should not take it either.

..I'm not convinced that ANY of us are getting perfect
info... transparency is so needed, and we haven't REALLY
had that this entire time.

That is likely so.

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Re: Covid Delta
By: HusTler to All on Sun Aug 01 2021 18:43:34

I am from Germany. For a couple of weeks now the 7-day incidence value is continously rising again and in contrast to this, people are demanding their "freedom" back. Although vaccination is not a mandatory thing here (and would be against our constitution because of the right to physical integrity... haha), out politics plan to introduce sanctions that result in implicit mandatory vaccination.

That means that if you are not vaccinated or recovered, you will not be allowed to enter closed public rooms (such as cinema, hair dresser, supermarket, etc.) without being tested... and testing will not be free anymore, so people who don't want to be vaccinated will have to pay (I believe about 25 Euros which is about 30 USD atm) each time they want to buy groceries).

The whole discussion is getting weirder and weirder... We kinda know that even people who are vaccinated can get covid19 and spread, but they most likely won't. And even if, they themselves would more likely recover from it like they do when having a bad cold. And because they won't be tested anymore (cuz of ther status), they won't be recognized as covid19 positive anymore which in turn leads to a decreasing incidence value which in turn let's everyone eventually believe, covid19 is over.

And thinking of it,... even though these sanctions are about to put into place in october, until now, politics reopened pretty much everything over the last couple of months again. Well... not all of course. What you need to know at this point is that we are approaching important elections in Germany that may lead to a political change. So guess why the current leading political party is offering so many degrees of freedom right now... shame upon him who thinks evil upon it...

I don't know what you know about German politics, but I think that this year has a high potential to make things really worse here (even more worse than what covid19 did yet) and that frightens the hell out of me...

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You're forgetting that not everyone is a candidate. People with compromised or weak immune systems should not take it. A vaxx
does nothing in a person who has no immune system. People with sensitivities and allergies should not take it either.

Well I certainly agree that those who are alergic OR have health issues shouldn't take it, but all the more reason that the other 90% need to.

Now.

That is likely so.

Same.



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paulie420 wrote to MATTHEW MUNSON <=-

In Oregon, USA they are doing the same [bs] $100 bribe. And what about those of us who got vaxxed prior? NO, I don't want $100 to go do
something that *I* think you should, but I damn sure don't want to PAY from their [dumb]asses to go get vaccinated.

I'm more worried about the precedent of people not acting in the common good unless paid to give a crap about their community, and by extension, themselves.


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MRO wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

you just need to look at his past. he's a media whore. he's hated by
his peers. some of the biggest guys in virology said he's nothing but a suit and knows nothing about viruses.

Citations, please.

I'm picturing a bunch of jealous virologists sitting in a dank lab muttering because Fauci's on TV and they were just denied funding again.


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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: poindexter FORTRAN to MRO on Wed Aug 11 2021 07:53 am

MRO wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

you just need to look at his past. he's a media whore. he's hated by his peers. some of the biggest guys in virology said he's nothing but a suit and knows nothing about viruses.

Citations, please.

I'm picturing a bunch of jealous virologists sitting in a dank lab muttering because Fauci's on TV and they were just denied funding again.

this isnt wikipedia. i dont have to provide citations. you can use google and find it easy. it goes all the way back to the 80s.

just pull fauci's cock out of your mouth first, might make it easier.

i'll be nice and give you a few. look up nobel prize winner dr kary mullis. then the guy who created the vaccine technology they used for the covid vaccines.
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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: poindexter FORTRAN to paulie420 on Wed Aug 11 2021 07:52 am

I'm more worried about the precedent of people not acting in the common good unless paid to giv
crap about their community, and by extension, themselves.

For all the nice talking from politicians, taking a vaccine is not an act for the common good, but
a selfish act. The main reason why people has historically taken vaccines is because they wanted to
protect themselves, not to protect "society" or any other form of abstract entity.

If somebody trusts the vaccine he will be taking it because he wants its benefits. If he doesn't,
you can't tell him having it is a patriotic or communitary act because, for him, the vaccine is
no good. You may as well tell him to inject water in the name of The Community.

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I'm more worried about the precedent of people not acting in the common good unless paid to give a crap about their community, and by
extension, themselves.

I fear its worse than that - we're seeing that we can 'buy' some number of idiots... but you damn well know theres another 30% who won't budge for nothing.

I just don't understand it; and it seems like we're gonna have to live with other peoples choices. The bad part is that... we'll never get to know how well or bad we COULD have responded to COViD.19 - because at 50% we don't even have a fighting chance at REALLY kicking COViD's ass.

:/

I think at best we need to learn to LIVE with it... which is exasperated, again, by people who won't do simple, intelligent mitigation. Blah.



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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: poindexter FORTRAN to paulie420 on Wed Aug 11 2021 07:52 am

In Oregon, USA they are doing the same [bs] $100 bribe. And what
about those of us who got vaxxed prior? NO, I don't want $100 to go
do something that *I* think you should, but I damn sure don't want
to PAY from their [dumb]asses to go get vaccinated.

So how much for the second shot? Or is it $50.00 each? What happens if they decide not to get the second shot?

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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: HusTler to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Aug 13 2021 06:21 am

Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: poindexter FORTRAN to paulie420 on Wed Aug 11 2021 07:52 am

In Oregon, USA they are doing the same [bs] $100 bribe. And what
about those of us who got vaxxed prior? NO, I don't want $100 to go
do something that *I* think you should, but I damn sure don't want
to PAY from their [dumb]asses to go get vaccinated.

So how much for the second shot? Or is it $50.00 each? What happens if they decide not to get the second shot?

if this shutdown shit didnt ruin so many people's lives this would be hillarious.

there are so many people that have got the shot dont even have the anti bodies.

when winter comes around, here comes the shit show. doesnt matter if you have a mask, vaccine or not vaccine.

people like me who are healthy and probably have the antibodies are the only ones that will be okay from a health standpoint. but we will all suffer again with more shutdowns and closed businesses.
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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: HusTler to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Aug 13 2021 06:21 am

In Oregon, USA they are doing the same [bs] $100 bribe. And what
about those of us who got vaxxed prior? NO, I don't want $100 to go
do something that *I* think you should, but I damn sure don't want
to PAY from their [dumb]asses to go get vaccinated.

So how much for the second shot? Or is it $50.00 each? What happens if they decide not to get the second shot?

You replied to Poindexter Fortran, but it looked like you were quoting someone else (and quoting someone 2 levels up)..

Nightfox

On 8/6/2021 5:21 AM, Dr. What wrote:

I think a 33% chance would be so obscene as to ring some alarms,
really.

It is. But you won't hear it from the Propaganda Ministry.

You do hear it from the medical community. Ex: Why do you think many
health professionals are NOT getting the vax?

I'm sorry, but if roughly 20% of the general population (33% of 60%)
died in the past year, I think more people would have noticed. Even if
either number is inflated, more than 1% of the population dying within a
year would be deeply noticed.

I'm against mask mandates, vaccine passports and totally understand a
general distrust of the government... but the above is just bullshit
that makes no sense in any way related to reality.
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On 8/6/2021 6:59 PM, Gamgee wrote:

More evidence that you're a moron. I'm about as far from a Leftie as
one can get, other than you extreme fringe fanatics. I'm a staunch conservative and voted for Trump. My other postings here and elsewhere
are easy verifications of what I'm saying.

It's assholes like you that give the Right Wing a bad reputation.

No shit... I'm a pretty pragmatic, conservative leaning libertarian,
have been for well over a decade now... I work in the elections space,
and it's been absolutely crazy. I completely believe that there was
various forms of stuffing and fraud in the election, that it's pretty
typical even... You wouldn't believe the conspiracy bullshit I've gone through, the threats, etc this past year... It's astounding.

Of course the "If you don't get the shot, you should get shot." types
are every bit as bad... I mean any sense of personal liberty is just
about out the window, and I'm in favor of most getting vaccinated. My
family has, I haven't (history of GBS). Totally understand the distrust
and the actions around the left don't inspire anything resembling
confidence, but the 33% number is so far beyond bullshit it's not even
funny.
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On 8/7/2021 12:28 AM, MRO wrote:

Vaccinated people can also spread it. They just supposedly won't
get as sick if they come down with it as an unvaccinated person
would. The government and press are also saying that the
unvaccinated population is where the virus is likely to mutate.

i would like to know the 'science' behind that, though. why do they
think that? and is it even possible? and how would they know since
most people have minimal symptoms?

There's enough evidence showing it's less than fully effective, and that vaccinated can still be carriers (but much shorter periods of time, much
lower transmission rates). Trace analysis and statistical models show
some of this as well, it's largely overblown though.

Didn't take the time to search harder for a COVID-19 specific reference,
but the same rules largely apply as they did with the SARS variant...

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html

"...However, the risk for SARS-CoV-2 breakthrough infection in fully
vaccinated people cannot be completely eliminated as long as there is
continued community transmission of the virus."
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On 8/8/2021 6:57 AM, Dumas Walker wrote:

I don't think it is just TX and FL. In Kentucky, we are seeing
numbers now that, last year, would have got us locked down and mask- mandated by now. Instead, we only have mask-mandates in government buildings, and only suggestions elsewhere. Our governor is from the opposite party of yours, so I am wondering what the difference is vs.
last year. Only one I can figure is that, this time last year, a
different person was President so our governor is now more hesitant to
do things that might hurt the economy.

He is now 2 years into a 4 year term, so he also may be starting to
worry about getting re-elected himself.

I think it largely boils down to the amount of the general population
that will tolerate lock-down and/or mask mandates and for how long. I
think there's some correlation to political boundaries, and definitely
some overlap on opinions. It could very well re-shape the political
identity of the parties over the next few years as lines may be redrawn
over which side on what issues people take.

I still think D and R are at least as much the same as different, and
that at least half of all policy actions would be the same with either
party in power, it's just a matter of what specific rights are trampled
on over time.
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On 8/8/2021 7:04 AM, Dumas Walker wrote:

A lot of people get it and barely have symptoms but, if you do get it, it could really kick your ass.

Yeah, if I hadn't had GBS, would definitely be getting the shot... still against government ordered mask mandates and lock-downs though.
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Hello MRO!

** On Friday 13.08.21 - 09:43, MRO wrote to HusTler:

there are so many people that have got the shot dont even
have the anti bodies.

How does that happen? (or not happen?) I never heard that
argument anywhere.

The shot is supposed to stimulate the generation of specific
antibodies.

But I believe the current shot is a waste since it was designed
with the original virus in mind. Meanwhile, the dang thing has
long mutated into something else. So, why is there the
continued urgency to use an ineffective formula?

people like me who are healthy and probably have the
antibodies are the only ones that will be okay from a
health standpoint. but we will all suffer again with more
shutdowns and closed businesses. -+-

The closed businesses are the real killer wrt the economics of
providing income for the operators of those businesses. The
banks and credit card companies don't do anything to help
either.



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Tracker1 wrote to Gamgee <=-

On 8/6/2021 6:59 PM, Gamgee wrote:

More evidence that you're a moron. I'm about as far from a Leftie as
one can get, other than you extreme fringe fanatics. I'm a staunch conservative and voted for Trump. My other postings here and elsewhere
are easy verifications of what I'm saying.

It's assholes like you that give the Right Wing a bad reputation.

No shit... I'm a pretty pragmatic, conservative leaning
libertarian, have been for well over a decade now... I work in
the elections space, and it's been absolutely crazy. I
completely believe that there was various forms of stuffing and
fraud in the election, that it's pretty typical even... You

There is little/no doubt that fraud was rampant, as usual. Yes.

wouldn't believe the conspiracy bullshit I've gone through, the
threats, etc this past year... It's astounding.

Yeah, the lefties play dirty when they see their scams under attack.

Of course the "If you don't get the shot, you should get shot."
types are every bit as bad... I mean any sense of personal
liberty is just about out the window, and I'm in favor of most
getting vaccinated. My family has, I haven't (history of GBS).
Totally understand the distrust and the actions around the left
don't inspire anything resembling confidence, but the 33% number
is so far beyond bullshit it's not even funny.

I know. Not sure how anyone with *ANY* intelligence can claim that 33%
of all people who get vaccinated, die. That's roughly 60 Million people
dead, and he thinks that wouldn't be in the news. I've quit responding
to both of the Beavis and Butthead idiots because they're just too
stupid to waste any time on.



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HusTler wrote to All <=-

So what does everyone think about this Covid shit? How fucked up is
this? 40 percent of healthcare workers are not vaccinated. WTF?? And
some people vaccinated are getting the Delta strain. Masks are back.
New York City is paying 100 bucks to anyone not vaccinated to get vaccinated. What's going on in your State? Whats happening in Spain and Euro?? I buddy of mine left for Isreal yesterday. I wonder if he'll be allowed back. Here we GO again!

It's been quite a pain here in the Philippines. We're in the middle of a two-week ``complete'' lockdown. So movement within the cities are very restrained. Before that I was already doing some side work but it got
cut due to that. I hope when it winds down I would be able to go back to work.

The vaccination effort is abysmal. Our country lagged behind on getting their fair
share of vaccines and thus had to wait for our turn. Once the vaccines arrive, however, the process has been rife with nepotism and corruption. There are even reports where they would jab you the needle but not give you the vaccine.

Though personally I'm not very keen on getting vaccinated right now.
I'd rather have other, more vulnerable, people take the vaccine so that even if

I get the virus that I wouldn't potentially endanger anyone.

A lot of people feel a bit frantic right now here, probably because they're already sick and tired of not being to go to work and do stuff outside.

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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Tracker1 to MRO on Fri Aug 13 2021 12:26 pm

There's enough evidence showing it's less than fully effective, and that vaccinated can still be carriers (but much shorter periods of time, much lower transmission rates). Trace analysis and statistical models show
some of this as well, it's largely overblown though.

Didn't take the time to search harder for a COVID-19 specific reference,
but the same rules largely apply as they did with the SARS variant...

so if you get the shot you have minimal symptoms. you would probably have minimal symptoms anyways.

i dont believe any of their bullshit. this virus has been highly politicized. we can't trust their studies and their facts because they are being tinkered with.

i cant trust anybody. i can only trust what i see.
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Re: Covid Delta
By: Ogg to MRO on Fri Aug 13 2021 06:57 pm

Hello MRO!

** On Friday 13.08.21 - 09:43, MRO wrote to HusTler:

there are so many people that have got the shot dont even
have the anti bodies.

How does that happen? (or not happen?) I never heard that
argument anywhere.

i heard it on the radio. the cdc did some announcement. then they
say it can be common with all vaccines.

it's obviously not effective if you can actually get the virus after being vaccinated.
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Hello MRO!

** On Saturday 14.08.21 - 01:46, MRO wrote to Ogg:

there are so many people that have got the shot dont
even have the anti bodies.

[...]

i heard it on the radio. the cdc did some announcement.
then they say it can be common with all vaccines.

it's obviously not effective if you can actually get the
virus after being vaccinated. -+-

Thx. I read your original comment to mean that there were no
actual antibodies detected. But.. you mean that people still
get sick with a flu. Kinda makes sense, 'cuz people would be
getting sick from a variation or mutation of the alpha version
by now.

I'd love to hear "the science" behind how likely is the alpha
version to be a risk out in the world now 18 months later.
It's probably died off, and the jab is innoculating people with
no effectiveness.


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Re: Covid Delta
By: MRO to Ogg on Sat Aug 14 2021 01:46 am

it's obviously not effective if you can actually get the virus after being vaccinated.

I don't think anyone ever said it's 100% effective and would always prevent you from getting the virus. They say it reduces the chances of getting the virus though.

Nightfox

Re: Covid Delta
By: Ogg to MRO on Sat Aug 14 2021 08:24 am

Hello MRO!

** On Saturday 14.08.21 - 01:46, MRO wrote to Ogg:

there are so many people that have got the shot dont
even have the anti bodies.

[...]

i heard it on the radio. the cdc did some announcement.
then they say it can be common with all vaccines.

it's obviously not effective if you can actually get the
virus after being vaccinated. -+-

Thx. I read your original comment to mean that there were no
actual antibodies detected. But.. you mean that people still

people are getting the covid shot and they are being tested later and a lot of them have no antibodies. so the shot was useless.

I'd love to hear "the science" behind how likely is the alpha
version to be a risk out in the world now 18 months later.
It's probably died off, and the jab is innoculating people with
no effectiveness.

the shot is just to make people feel safe. we have no control over this. everything's been tried.

best thing is to be healthy.
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MRO wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

this isnt wikipedia. i dont have to provide citations. you can use
google and find it easy. it goes all the way back to the 80s.

If you can't provide credible citations, you're talking out of your ass
again and will be ignored.




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Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

If somebody trusts the vaccine he will be taking it because he wants
its benefits. If he doesn't, you can't tell him having it is a
patriotic or communitary act because, for him, the vaccine is no good.
You may as well tell him to inject water in the name of The Community.

Benefits, like having a hospital bed open when s/he has a heart attack,
stroke or other medical issue involving an ICU?


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Re: Covid Delta
By: Nightfox to MRO on Sat Aug 14 2021 09:00 am

Re: Covid Delta
By: MRO to Ogg on Sat Aug 14 2021 01:46 am

it's obviously not effective if you can actually get the virus after being vaccinated.

I don't think anyone ever said it's 100% effective and would always

prevent
you from getting the virus. They say it reduces the chances of getting the virus though.

quit making excuses for them
they dont even say it reduces the chances of getting the virus anymore.

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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: poindexter FORTRAN to MRO on Fri Aug 13 2021 07:10 am

MRO wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

this isnt wikipedia. i dont have to provide citations. you can use google and find it easy. it goes all the way back to the 80s.

If you can't provide credible citations, you're talking out of your ass again and will be ignored.

i just named names, dumb ass. quit thinking out of your ass.

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Yeah, if I hadn't had GBS, would definitely be getting the shot... still against government ordered mask mandates and lock-downs though.

Overall, I also am but came to realize that there are many more people than
I realized who will ignore "suggestions" of masks, social distancing, and reducing social interactions that I could have ever imagined. I have
shifted from being strongly against them to being against them but
believing they may be necessary.


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I'd love to hear "the science" behind how likely is the alpha
version to be a risk out in the world now 18 months later.
It's probably died off, and the jab is innoculating people with
no effectiveness.

They have been running some stories in the US over the past week that the Moderna shot is still effective against Delta, but at a lower percentage,
like 76%. The other shots are not nearly as effective. Ooops.


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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Fri Aug 13 2021 07:11 am

Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

If somebody trusts the vaccine he will be taking it because he wants its benefits. If he doesn't, you can't tell him having it is a patriotic or communitary act because, for him, the vaccine is no good. You may as well tell him to inject water in the name of The Community.

Benefits, like having a hospital bed open when s/he has a heart attack, stroke or other medical issue involving an ICU?

... No appropriate tagline.

I know nobody that, trusting the vaccine, takes it in order to offload the burden from
hospitals.

Given the adoption rate in most of the world, I don't buy the argument that unvaccined people is
going to flood hospitals and prevent vaccined peolpe from accessing their services. That is
fearmongering to the extreme.

If anything, what we should be freaking out is about all the fearmongering we are getting.

I dn't watch TV but I have been told the Spanish media is in a campaign regarding nursing homes.
They are focusing in the rising COVID cases in nursing homes and placing the spotlight in workers
that have not taken the vaccine, claiming that they are infecting the elders there. It does not
take a genius to classify this as a FUD campaign since around 98% or elders are vaccined... either
the vaccines are effective and most elders are safe from severe effects, in which case FUDing
against unvaccined workers is stupid (and besides, most are getting the shot anyway) or the
vaccines are less than effective, in which case news blaming unvaccined people are stupid because
the vaccine makes no difference.

As things stand, take the vaccine if you trust it, and don't take it if you don't trust it.
Foccusing on what "the other side" does is quite stupid since it does not affect you whether the
vaccines are the ultimate cure against everything of whether they are just a placebo saline
solution.

I think the only case in which fear would be _somehow_ justified is if you trust the vaccine to be
a mitigator but a much less than perfect solution. Say, you think the vaccine is likely to reduce
the number of hospitalitations but it is unlikely to make a dent in infection numbers - which is
something governments have started to say as of late. My opinion is that anybody who thinks this
should take the vaccine and then assume the vaccine is not going to eradicate the virus anyway, and
then stop caring for the people who is not taking it, because the fact they are taking it or not is
not decisive when it comes to erradicate the disease. If you think the vaccine is a mitigator, you
don't think it is a solution, pretty much by definition.

Frankly, it is quite scary to realize the pro-vaccine / anti-vaccine schism is quite destructive
for society, far beyond the consequences of taking or not taking the vaccines regardless of their
effectiveness. We have de-facto destroyed the right to professional health secret because many
employers and human resources people is asking quite directly whether employees have taken the
vaccine or not, and not taking silence for an answer. It is socially unnaceptable for them to ask
about ANY OTHER medical condition or treatment. It is the GDPR era and you cannot even ask somebody
if they have a "greencard" unless you are in legal obligation, much less ask them if they have AIDs
or ASD or whatever, but somehow COVID gets a pass and everybody thinks it is right.

The COVID crisis has proved it only gets fear to force people into willingly cancelling their own
rights without realizing. That is so much more scary than needing an hospital room and not having
it because one of the 2% of the people who didn't take the vaccine took your room.

Heck, it feels like I am surounded by people who is afraid of being struck by lightning but then
drive without the seatbelt on.

Fear is cancer and we have to rip it out.

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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Arelor to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Aug 14 2021 06:48 pm

Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Fri Aug 13 2021 07:11 am

Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

If somebody trusts the vaccine he will be taking it because he wants its benefits. If he doesn't, you can't tell him having it is a patriotic or communitary act because, for him, the vaccine is no good. You may as well tell him to inject water in the name of The Community.

Benefits, like having a hospital bed open when s/he has a heart attack, stroke or other medical issue involving an ICU?

I know nobody that, trusting the vaccine, takes it in order to offload the burden from
hospitals.

the great thing about the vaccine is they say that if you take it, you can still get the virus, but it wont BE THAT BAD. well then what can happen? the good ole virus can mutate inside these people and create something that can kill more than a very very very small amount of people.

people with poindexter are too brainwashed to realize this. he believes everything the liberals tell him. masks work [cdc says they now know they do not] vaccines work! [virologists say it will mutate inside vaccinated people].

it just amazes me how stupid people are.

we are seriously fucked. we might create our own fucking plague.
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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: HusTler to Dumas Walker on Sun Aug 15 2021 07:51 am

no longer trust the US government, period. I got the vaccinations which I'll probably regret someday. I now avoid people completely and wearing a mask is as routine as putting on a shirt. This is what works for me. If you have another way then good for you. I won't be having any empathy for people that get sick and die from covid. My feeling is they were given the opportunity to prevent it and refused the vacination. It's the same as a smoker dying of lung cancer. I know people that believe their smoking doesn't hurt their

the vaccine isnt preventing the virus. people that are vaccinated are spreading the virus and it can mutate in these people. geting the vaccine isnt preventing anything.

wearing a mask does nothing. it's a microscopic virus.

what if the virus is on an object? you touch an object x amount of hours after taking it into your home. you then touch your eye, or whatever and now you have exposed yourself. the mask didnt help there, either.

you took something that was experimental and you have you way of suing these companies because of their contracts with the government. you have no idea what this did to your body.

if you die, i will have remorse for you, regardless of your decisions.
please stop believing in the bullshit they are feeding people.
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Tracker1 wrote to Dr. What <=-

I'm sorry, but if roughly 20% of the general population (33% of 60%)
died in the past year, I think more people would have noticed. Even if either number is inflated, more than 1% of the population dying within
a year would be deeply noticed.

You are assuming that "noticed" means "reported".

The vaccine negative impact system is not a mandatory use system and is notorious for not being very good.

Of course, you won't hear any of this from the Propaganda Ministry, who have been sinning by omission for decades.


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MRO wrote to HusTler <=-

there are so many people that have got the shot dont even have the anti bodies.

Oh, they have the anti-bodies. One misconception that people have is that vaccines prevent you from getting a disease. This is false.

A vaccine does nothing more than train your body to fight the disease when you do get it.

So getting vaxxed doesn't stop you from getting COVID. It's supposed to simply prevent you from getting really sick and dying from COVID. But you will still show symptoms
and spread it.

For a disease that has a 99.9% survival rate. Only a very small (i.e. .1%) group of high risk people actually needed to get vaxxed.

(All this is making the assumption that the COVID vax actually works, and there is absolutely no evidence for that.)

when winter comes around, here comes the shit show. doesnt matter if
you have a mask, vaccine or not vaccine.

Winter is also known as "low Vitamin D season" and vitamin D has long been known to
help with the immune system. Those of us who live in the northern parts should be
taking a vitamin D suppliment pretty much all year long.

people like me who are healthy and probably have the antibodies are the only ones that will be okay from a health standpoint. but we will all suffer again with more shutdowns and closed businesses.

Yup. Because COVID has never a health issue. It was an excuse to let the Leftie
Elites take away our rights.


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Tracker1 wrote to Gamgee <=-

Of course the "If you don't get the shot, you should get shot." types
are every bit as bad... I mean any sense of personal liberty is just
about out the window, and I'm in favor of most getting vaccinated.

Our country has had a problem with the Elites for a long time.

The Elites are people who believe that they are born to rule. That they are "better" than every one else. That everyone should just give up their rights and do what the Elites tell them because they can run things sooo much better than the rest of us.

Never mind that every time (and I mean, EVERY time) that the Elites have been in charge they have completely messed things up.

I'm not in favor of most getting vaccinated. The VAST majority will not benefit
from it and, like every vaccine, there are negative consequences. (On top of that
the COVID vax type has NEVER been successful and always had bad side effects.)

But it should be up to the person and not mandated - especially by anyone in gov't.


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Tracker1 wrote to MRO <=-

There's enough evidence showing it's less than fully effective, and
that vaccinated can still be carriers (but much shorter periods of
time, much lower transmission rates). Trace analysis and statistical models show some of this as well, it's largely overblown though.

The COVID vax type is not a sterlizing vaccine. All it was supposed to do is build up immunity. And there's plenty of evidence that it's not working very well for that.

But they've known from day 1 that the vax would not prevent people from getting COVID and being carriers. The vax was NEVER supposed to do that.


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Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-

I don't think anyone ever said it's 100% effective and would always prevent you from getting the virus.

You haven't been listening to your gov't "officials" then.

They say it reduces the chances of getting the virus though.

If they said that, they lied. No vaccine does that.


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Winter is also known as "low Vitamin D season" and vitamin D has long been known to
help with the immune system. Those of us who live in the northern parts shoul
be
taking a vitamin D suppliment pretty much all year long.

It is also the time of year when people are packed indoors more and not
going outside as much. Viruses usually love people packed together in an indoor environment.


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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Dr. What to Tracker1 on Mon Aug 16 2021 08:05 am

Our country has had a problem with the Elites for a long time.

The Elites are people who believe that they are born to rule. That they are "better" than every one else. That everyone should just give up their rights and do what the Elites tell them because they can run things sooo much better than the rest of us.

Who do you consider "ELites"??

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Quoting Hustler to Dr. What <=-

The Elites are people who believe that they are born to rule. That they are "better" than every one else. That everyone should just give up their rights and do what the Elites tell them because they can run things sooo much better than the rest of us.

Who do you consider "ELites"??

I made that clear in my message quoted above. But if you want names,
here's a few:
Pelosi
Clintons
Fauci
And you can include anyone who takes what these people say as though
it's the word of God.


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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Dr. What to HUSTLER on Wed Aug 18 2021 08:11 am

Quoting Hustler to Dr. What <=-

The Elites are people who believe that they are born to rule. That they are "better" than every one else. That everyone should just give up their rights and do what the Elites tell them because they can run things sooo much better than the rest of us.

Who do you consider "ELites"??

I made that clear in my message quoted above. But if you want names,
here's a few:
Pelosi
Clintons
Fauci
And you can include anyone who takes what these people say as though
it's the word of God.

i think you mean these people https://www.titlemax.com/discovery-center/lifestyle/who-owns-your-news-the-top-100-digital-news-outlets-and-their-ownership/#:~:text=About%2015%20billionaires%20and%20six,Amusements%20(which%20includes%20Viacom%20Inc.

https://tinyurl.com/4hjjjf4v
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Quoting Mro to Dr. What <=-

i think you mean these people https://www.titlemax.com/discovery-center/lifestyle/who-owns-your-news- the-top-100-digital-news-outlets-and-their-ownership/#:~:text=About%2015 %20billionaires%20and%20six,Amusements%20(which%20includes%20Viacom%20In c.
https://tinyurl.com/4hjjjf4v

I can't tell. I BBS on my Compaq Portable 386 (red gas plasma display
and no internet). So links - even short ones - aren't going to get hand
typed in.


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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Dr. What to MRO on Thu Aug 19 2021 08:14 am

Quoting Mro to Dr. What <=-

i think you mean these people https://www.titlemax.com/discovery-center/lifestyle/who-owns-your-news- the-top-100-digital-news-outlets-and-their-ownership/#:~:text=About%201 5 %20billionaires%20and%20six,Amusements%20(which%20includes%20Viacom%2 0In c.
https://tinyurl.com/4hjjjf4v

I can't tell. I BBS on my Compaq Portable 386 (red gas plasma display
and no internet). So links - even short ones - aren't going to get hand typed in.

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So what does everyone think about this Covid shit? How fucked up is this? 40 percent of healthcare workers are not vaccinated. WTF?? And some people vaccinated are getting the Delta strain. Masks are back. New York City is paying 100 bucks to anyone not vaccinated to get vaccinated. What's going on in your State? Whats happening in Spain and Euro?? I buddy of mine left for Isreal yesterday. I wonder if he'll be allowed back. Here we GO again!

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Dumas Walker wrote to DR. WHAT <=-

It is also the time of year when people are packed indoors more and not going outside as much. Viruses usually love people packed together in
an indoor environment.

That is true, but the infections rate is raising.


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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to Dumas Walker on Fri Aug 27 2021 02:51 am

not going outside as much. Viruses usually love people packed
together in an indoor environment.

That is true, but the infections rate is raising.

Now they call it "the unvaccinated virus". hmmmmm

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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: HusTler to plt on Fri Aug 27 2021 04:13 pm

Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to Dumas Walker on Fri Aug 27 2021 02:51 am

not going outside as much. Viruses usually love people packed
together in an indoor environment.

That is true, but the infections rate is raising.

Now they call it "the unvaccinated virus". hmmmmm

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It is also the time of year when people are packed indoors more and not going outside as much. Viruses usually love people packed together in an indoor environment.

That is true, but the infections rate is raising.

Here, some public schools started back to in-person at the beginning of
August. Since younger kids cannot be vaccinated yet, I am not really surprised. There were counties in my state just two weeks ago that were reporting zero active cases. Now the whole state is in the "red" category.


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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Dumas Walker to PLT on Sat Aug 28 2021 09:30 am

It is also the time of year when people are packed indoors more and not going outside as much. Viruses usually love people packed together in an indoor environment.

That is true, but the infections rate is raising.

Here, some public schools started back to in-person at the beginning of August. Since younger kids cannot be vaccinated yet, I am not really surprised. There were counties in my state just two weeks ago that were reporting zero active cases. Now the whole state is in the "red" category.

who knows if this is true, but i've read here and there that it's important that there's a lot of DELTA infections so it will decrease the likelyhood of infections with the LAMBDA variant which is supposed to be much worse.

i had covid and i'm okay after about 10 days. i did have 3 bad days of various issues. i'm pretty sure i had delta.
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MRO wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Dumas Walker to PLT on Sat Aug 28 2021 09:30 am

It is also the time of year when people are packed indoors more and not going outside as much. Viruses usually love people packed together in an indoor environment.

That is true, but the infections rate is raising.

Here, some public schools started back to in-person at the beginning of August. Since younger kids cannot be vaccinated yet, I am not really surprised. There were counties in my state just two weeks ago that were reporting zero active cases. Now the whole state is in the "red" category.

who knows if this is true, but i've read here and there that it's important that there's a lot of DELTA infections so it will decrease
the likelyhood of infections with the LAMBDA variant which is supposed
to be much worse.

That is not good. If everyone would take this more serious by getting their shot, wear a mask, stop fighting the mask requirements and keep our social distance we can slow the virus down.




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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to MRO on Sun Aug 29 2021 01:12 am

who knows if this is true, but i've read here and there that it's important that there's a lot of DELTA infections so it will decrease the likelyhood of infections with the LAMBDA variant which is supposed to be much worse.

That is not good. If everyone would take this more serious by getting their shot, wear a mask, stop fighting the mask requirements and keep our social distance we can slow the virus down.

i guess you cant read.


it's important there's a lot of delta infections.

it's important.
otherwise lambda comes by which is vaccine resistant.
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who knows if this is true, but i've read here and there that it's important at there's a lot of DELTA infections so it will decrease the likelyhood of in
ctions with the LAMBDA variant which is supposed to be much worse.

It has been a while since I have heard much about Lambda. I have not
assumed that means it is not coming, just that Delta was taking up all the
news time.

i had covid and i'm okay after about 10 days. i did have 3 bad days of various
ssues. i'm pretty sure i had delta.

Well, that seems to be the predominant strain so that would be likely.


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MRO wrote to plt <=-

Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to MRO on Sun Aug 29 2021 01:12 am

who knows if this is true, but i've read here and there that it's important that there's a lot of DELTA infections so it will decrease the likelyhood of infections with the LAMBDA variant which is supposed to be much worse.

That is not good. If everyone would take this more serious by getting their shot, wear a mask, stop fighting the mask requirements and keep our social distance we can slow the virus down.

i guess you cant read.

it's important there's a lot of delta infections.

it's important.

WEAR A MASK.
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plt wrote to MRO <=-

That is not good. If everyone would take this more serious by getting their shot, wear a mask, stop fighting the mask requirements and keep
our social distance we can slow the virus down.

At least we didn't drink the cool-aid.


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plt wrote to MRO <=-

WEAR A MASK.

Repeating a falsehood over and over doesn't make it true.


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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Dr. What to plt on Sun Aug 29 2021 17:18:00

plt wrote to MRO <=-

WEAR A MASK.

Repeating a falsehood over and over doesn't make it true.

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What are you refering to? Wearing mask helps prevent the spread of the virus.

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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to MRO on Sun Aug 29 2021 04:27 pm

it's important there's a lot of delta infections.

it's important.

WEAR A MASK.

fuck you. i did wear a mask and i still got sick.
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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Dr. What to plt on Sun Aug 29 2021 05:18 pm

plt wrote to MRO <=-

That is not good. If everyone would take this more serious by getting their shot, wear a mask, stop fighting the mask requirements and keep our social distance we can slow the virus down.

At least we didn't drink the cool-aid.

"slow the virus down"

poor phil is seriously on the kool aid. he's repeating bullshit from a year ago.

the virus cant be slowed down. we cant flatten the curve.
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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to Dr. What on Sun Aug 29 2021 06:02 pm

WEAR A MASK.

Repeating a falsehood over and over doesn't make it true.

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What are you refering to? Wearing mask helps prevent the spread of the virus.

no it doesnt. my mom wore a mask and gloves. she died of covid.
i wear a mask all the time. i wear a mask and gloves at work and i sanitize when i touch different items. i still got it from a dude at work.

you dont know shit
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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: MRO to plt on Sun Aug 29 2021 18:38:26

Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to MRO on Sun Aug 29 2021 04:27 pm

it's important there's a lot of delta infections.

it's important.

WEAR A MASK.

fuck you. i did wear a mask and i still got sick.

For those then its on them if they get the virus.

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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: MRO to Dr. What on Sun Aug 29 2021 18:39:52

Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Dr. What to plt on Sun Aug 29 2021 05:18 pm

plt wrote to MRO <=-

That is not good. If everyone would take this more serious by getting their shot, wear a mask, stop fighting the mask
requirements and keep our social distance we can slow the virus down.

At least we didn't drink the cool-aid.

"slow the virus down"

poor phil is seriously on the kool aid. he's repeating bullshit from a year ago.

the virus cant be slowed down. we cant flatten the curve.

No bull shit. Look and see the facts. The virus is nothing to bull shit over.

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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: MRO to plt on Sun Aug 29 2021 18:38:26

Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to MRO on Sun Aug 29 2021 04:27 pm

it's important there's a lot of delta infections.

it's important.

WEAR A MASK.

fuck you. i did wear a mask and i still got sick.

That is childish language for a individual that is adult. Wearing a mask and social distance help prevent the spread of the virus. Thanks to Trump for playing down the issue when it started, it could have prevented more people from getting infected.

Since the start I took measures to protected my self, so I never do it. One thing I never listen to Trump B.S when this all started.

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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to MRO on Sun Aug 29 2021 08:08 pm

Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: MRO to plt on Sun Aug 29 2021 18:38:26

Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to MRO on Sun Aug 29 2021 04:27 pm

it's important there's a lot of delta infections.

it's important.

WEAR A MASK.

fuck you. i did wear a mask and i still got sick.

For those then its on them if they get the virus.

i thought it stops transmission? i'm around people with masks

tell me doctor, how did this happen?
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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to MRO on Sun Aug 29 2021 08:10 pm

year ago.

the virus cant be slowed down. we cant flatten the curve.

No bull shit. Look and see the facts. The virus is nothing to bull shit over.

fuck off, biden lover.
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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to MRO on Sun Aug 29 2021 08:29 pm

WEAR A MASK.

fuck you. i did wear a mask and i still got sick.

That is childish language for a individual that is adult. Wearing a mask and social distance help prevent the spread of the virus. Thanks to Trump for playing down the issue when it started, it could have prevented more people from getting infected.

Since the start I took measures to protected my self, so I never do it. One thing I never listen to Trump B.S when this all started.

fuck you.

it's not your job to play doctor on dovenet.

you're some disabled guy with no life who never leaves his room.

shut up with this bullshit.
you know nothing about politics or virology.
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plt wrote to Dr. What <=-

WEAR A MASK.

Repeating a falsehood over and over doesn't make it true.

What are you refering to? Wearing mask helps prevent the spread of the virus.

We have decades of studies showing otherwise.

The only people who say masks work (in general) are the Leftie Control Freaks, their Propaganda Ministry and the sheeple who blindly believe what they say.

There are very narrow situations where masks help. But general mandating of masks is simply ignorant.


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MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-

poor phil is seriously on the kool aid. he's repeating bullshit from a year ago.

The Left believes that if they keep repeating the lies that they will turn into truth.

the virus cant be slowed down. we cant flatten the curve.

Technically we did. But that was because the "experts" (you know, the ones out, standing in their fields) who predicted that the virus would wipe out civilization if we didn't do something, were completely wrong.


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plt wrote to MRO <=-

That is childish language for a individual that is adult. Wearing a
mask and social distance help prevent the spread of the virus.

No, it doesn't. And if you will actually look up the information rather than listen to the Narrative that the Propaganda Ministry (the Media) pushes, you'd see that for yourself.

Thanks
to Trump for playing down the issue when it started, it could have prevented more people from getting infected.

Ahh.. Another case of TDS here.

COVID has a recovery rate for 99%+. For young people, it's like 99.99%. For older people, it's closer to 99%.

Trump didn't "downplay" the issue. That's false Leftie Narrative. He accurately assessed the virus.

Since the start I took measures to protected my self, so I never do it.

Since the start, I did absolutely NOTHING different to "protect" myself.

I just kept my healthy live style. Ate right. Exercised. I've been taking a vitamin D suppliment daily for years (doctor's orders).

And guess, what? No COVID. Not even light symptoms.

One thing I never listen to Trump B.S when this all started.

Yet you continue to listen to the BS from the Propaganda Ministry that's been proven false.

Interesting thing:
Out of all the people I know, I know of no one who has died from COVID. Yet I know 2 who died from the vaccine.


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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Dr. What to plt on Mon Aug 30 2021 08:15 am

What are you refering to? Wearing mask helps prevent the spread of the virus.

We have decades of studies showing otherwise.

The only people who say masks work (in general) are the Leftie Control Freaks, their Propaganda Ministry and the sheeple who blindly believe what they say.

There are very narrow situations where masks help. But general mandating of masks is simply ignorant.

if masks worked, we'd be wearing masks for hundreds of years and most people wouldnt get sick.

also in china they were wearing masks for a long time. i don't think it ever really helped them.

now govts and health agencies are saying that hand washing and distancing helps better than masks.
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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: MRO to Dr. What on Mon Aug 30 2021 01:52 pm

if masks worked, we'd be wearing masks for hundreds of years and most people wouldnt get sick.

also in china they were wearing masks for a long time. i don't think it ever really helped them.

I don't think masks are (or were ever) 100% effective in preventing disease. They just reduce the chances of spreading it, not totally prevent it.

Nightfox

Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Dr. What to plt on Mon Aug 30 2021 08:15:00

plt wrote to Dr. What <=-

WEAR A MASK.

Repeating a falsehood over and over doesn't make it true.

What are you refering to? Wearing mask helps prevent the spread of the virus.

We have decades of studies showing otherwise.

The only people who say masks work (in general) are the Leftie Control Freaks, their Propaganda Ministry and the sheeple who
blindly believe what they say.

There are very narrow situations where masks help. But general mandating of masks is simply ignorant.

... War never decides who is right, only who is left.

Try reading stuff posted by CDC. It helps prevent is but social distance in a must.

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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Nightfox to MRO on Mon Aug 30 2021 01:08 pm

also in china they were wearing masks for a long time. i don't think it ever really helped them.

I don't think masks are (or were ever) 100% effective in preventing disease. They just reduce the chances of spreading it, not totally prevent it.

you have no proof that it helped at all.
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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to Dr. What on Mon Aug 30 2021 07:20 pm

Try reading stuff posted by CDC. It helps prevent is but social distance in a must.

then what? we should turn on CNN and turn the volume all the way up?

cut our dicks off and dye our hair purple?
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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: MRO to plt on Mon Aug 30 2021 21:16:09

Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to Dr. What on Mon Aug 30 2021 07:20 pm

Try reading stuff posted by CDC. It helps prevent is but social distance in a must.

then what? we should turn on CNN and turn the volume all the way up?

cut our dicks off and dye our hair purple?

Your acting like a little child. Shame on you.

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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: MRO to plt on Mon Aug 30 2021 21:16:09

cut our dicks off and dye our hair purple?

Your mother did not teach you any manners.

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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: MRO to plt on Sun Aug 29 2021 06:38 pm

WEAR A MASK.

fuck you. i did wear a mask and i still got sick.

You got it from someone that didn't wear a mask or someone you had sex with?

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MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-

if masks worked, we'd be wearing masks for hundreds of years and most people wouldnt get sick.

Yup. We don't wear a mask during flu season. We didn't wear a mask when SARS hit under Obama. Why is this any different?

also in china they were wearing masks for a long time. i don't think it ever really helped them.

They were mostly wearing masks due to the air pollution. Those particles are large enough where a mask will help somewhat. Sort of like wearing a mask when you are doing woodworking with lots of sanding.


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plt wrote to Dr. What <=-

Try reading stuff posted by CDC. It helps prevent is but social
distance in a must.

They also have studies that show that masks don't work and that the COVID "vaccine" is not a vaccine.

So either the CDC is right, or wrong. Which is it?

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Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-

I don't think masks are (or were ever) 100% effective in preventing disease. They just reduce the chances of spreading it, not totally prevent it.

That will depend on the mask and the situation.

Those homemade cloth masks that people wear do nothing.

The surgical masks do prevent the person wearing them from spreading something if they have it (which is why surgeons wear them). But those masks are for short term wear (like an hour max). After that, they become pretty nasty.

The N-95s are effective in keeping the wearer safe - if they are properly fitted (and most are not). But do not keep the wearer from spreading what ever they have. They have a downside of greatly reducing oxygen, though, and should not be worn for an extended period of time.

But all this is for a virus that has a less than 0.05% chance of killing you that won't be going away anytime. The human immune system is the best defence against it.


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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to MRO on Mon Aug 30 2021 11:46 pm

Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: MRO to plt on Mon Aug 30 2021 21:16:09

cut our dicks off and dye our hair purple?

Your mother did not teach you any manners.

you are seriously going to reply twice to one msg?
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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: HusTler to MRO on Tue Aug 31 2021 07:44 am

Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: MRO to plt on Sun Aug 29 2021 06:38 pm

WEAR A MASK.

fuck you. i did wear a mask and i still got sick.

You got it from someone that didn't wear a mask or someone you had sex with?

everyone i'm around wears masks and social distances.
and the hookers say they are clean
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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Dr. What to MRO on Tue Aug 31 2021 08:07 am

They were mostly wearing masks due to the air pollution. Those particles are large enough where a mask will help somewhat. Sort of like wearing a mask when you are doing woodworking with lots of sanding.

they wear them around flu season too. they think it helps.
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On 2021-08-31 8:18 a.m., Dr. What wrote:

The N-95s are effective in keeping the wearer safe - if they are properly fitted (and most are not).

Especially when you see that they don't even fit it over the nose. Why
wear it then?

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plt wrote <=-

Try reading stuff posted by CDC.

Those who follow the CDC as a godly presence are pretty brainwashed. The CDC itself does NOT do most of the drug testing, they outsource it to a company headed by a Dr. Grady. Ms. Grady just somehow happens to be married to another Doctor... Anthony Fauci. Fauci himself has been caught on more than one occasion talking out of both sides of his mouth depending on the day of the week it happens to be. If one thinks for one second that Fauci is NOT allowing his twisted thinking influence the CDC through pillow talk then one does not know human nature.

The CDC's latest readings have to do with the fact that guns are an illness.
I was totally unaware that a steel object was a disease! Talk about conspiracy theories - it's quite easy to come up with one that the left is using the CDC to help destroy amendments of the Constitution of the United States.

As long as humans run ANY part of government it will faulter and error.

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They also have studies that show that masks don't work and that the COVID "vaccine" is not a vaccine.

Im awaiting the covid jab made out of vegitables.

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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Brian Rogers to plt on Tue Aug 31 2021 18:57:00

plt wrote <=-

Try reading stuff posted by CDC.

Those who follow the CDC as a godly presence are pretty brainwashed. The CDC itself does NOT do most of the drug testing, they
outsource it to a company headed by a Dr. Grady. Ms. Grady just somehow happens to be married to another Doctor... Anthony
Fauci.
Fauci himself has been caught on more than one occasion talking out of both sides of his mouth depending on the day of the week
it

That is B.S what your saying. You really need to stop talking Trump trash.

happens to be. If one thinks for one second that Fauci is NOT allowing his twisted thinking influence the CDC through pillow
talk
then one does not know human nature.

The CDC's latest readings have to do with the fact that guns are an illness. I was totally unaware that a steel object was a disease! Talk about conspiracy theories - it's quite easy to come up with one
that
the left is using the CDC to help destroy amendments of the Constitution of the United States.

As long as humans run ANY part of government it will faulter and error.

Sounds like you listen to Mr. Trump to much.

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Ennev wrote to Dr. What <=-

The N-95s are effective in keeping the wearer safe - if they are properly fitted (and most are not).

Especially when you see that they don't even fit it over the nose. Why wear it then?

Because I assume it's a security blanket. It makes them feel better.


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plt wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

That is B.S what your saying. You really need to stop talking Trump
trash.

It's B.S. with video evidence. Of course, since you obviously only get your information from CNN, you won't know any of that.

Sounds like you listen to Mr. Trump to much.

Sounds like we have another TDS victim here.


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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Brian Rogers to plt on Tue Aug 31 2021 18:57:00

plt wrote <=-

Try reading stuff posted by CDC.

Those who follow the CDC as a godly presence are pretty brainwashed. The CDC itself does NOT do most of the drug testing, they
outsource it to a company headed by a Dr. Grady. Ms. Grady just somehow happens to be married to another Doctor... Anthony
Fauci.
Fauci himself has been caught on more than one occasion talking out of both sides of his mouth depending on the day of the week
it
happens to be. If one thinks for one second that Fauci is NOT allowing his twisted thinking influence the CDC through pillow
talk
then one does not know human nature.

The ones that are only brainwashed or the ones that do not listen to the people that have more education then you.

The CDC's latest readings have to do with the fact that guns are an illness. I was totally unaware that a steel object was a disease! Talk about conspiracy theories - it's quite easy to come up with one
that
the left is using the CDC to help destroy amendments of the Constitution of the United States.

As long as humans run ANY part of government it will faulter and error.

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This has nothing to do with guns its about the true facts that you fail to understand.

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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Dr. What to plt on Wed Sep 01 2021 12:58:00

plt wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

That is B.S what your saying. You really need to stop talking Trump trash.

It's B.S. with video evidence. Of course, since you obviously only get your information from CNN, you won't know any of that.

Sounds like you listen to Mr. Trump to much.

Sounds like we have another TDS victim here.

You have a lot of balls to say that. Your making a false statement. Trying sticking with the facts.

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plt;

plt wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

Sounds like you listen to Mr. Trump to much.

Fact check it. Sounds like your lubing up your liberal anal cavity too much.

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plt;

plt wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

This has nothing to do with guns its about the true facts that you fail
to understand.

Then why is the CDC saying guns are an illness? You fail to accept the facts
as they exist. I'm neither left or right, I review the facts.

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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Brian Rogers to plt on Wed Sep 01 2021 21:30:00

plt;

plt wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

This has nothing to do with guns its about the true facts that you fail to understand.

Then why is the CDC saying guns are an illness? You fail to accept the facts as they exist. I'm neither left or right, I review the facts.

... Old mathematicians never die, they just disintegrate.

It has nothing to do with CDC. Try and stay on topic next time.

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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Brian Rogers to plt on Wed Sep 01 2021 21:28:00

plt;

plt wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

Sounds like you listen to Mr. Trump to much.

Fact check it. Sounds like your lubing up your liberal anal cavity too much.

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Your the one talking crazy not me. May be when you where born the doctor slaped in in the head and not in the ass and that is why you got so much damage in in your brian.

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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to Brian Rogers on Thu Sep 02 2021 02:13 am

I have noticed this place has started devolving into an usenet-like area since people started insulting other people instead of using arguments.

I enjoy some sporadic flame every now and then, but this one lacks substance. It is not even fun to watch. Therefore I suggest next time anybody here thinks of accusing somebody else of being damaged at birth or being stupid or being a bidenist or a trumpstian or whatever that he comes with a proper argument for his case instead of an insult, or just says silent.

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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Arelor to plt on Thu Sep 02 2021 03:07 am

Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to Brian Rogers on Thu Sep 02 2021 02:13 am

I have noticed this place has started devolving into an usenet-like area since people started insulting other people instead of using arguments.

I enjoy some sporadic flame every now and then, but this one lacks substance. It is not even fun to watch. Therefore I suggest next time anybody here thinks of accusing somebody else of being damaged at birth or being stupid or being a bidenist or a trumpstian or whatever that he comes with a proper argument for his case instead of an insult, or just says silent.

Thanks.

yeah but you are missing something here.

we have all known eachother for 20 fucking years in a lot of cases.
so i KNOW phil is damaged at birth. i know the dude is weird. i have actually defended phil in the past and said he is not as dumb as he acts.

I don't believe phil has any political knowledge so i don't take what he says seriously. I know he is disabled and probably hurting financially and that's why he picked a side as a democrat.

I myself, am also not as dumb as I act. I just don't break my back building a case on my qualifications as a human being to people I don't care about.
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