The Twit show will become a shit show?

Twitter board agrees to $44bn takeovers by Elon Musk

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-61222470

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The Twit show will become a shit show?

It's already a shit-show, and has been for a long time.

Twitter board agrees to $44bn takeovers by Elon Musk

This may improve things eventually.

I don't actually care, don't use it and don't need it.



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I don't actually care, don't use it and don't need it.

Yeah, I took it in the first year, then never really used it. I never got it where a minimalistic interface felt like the 1970s and still is.

It is just sad that eventually, it replaced RSS for many people and sadly, for some, this is where they get their news.

Recently I only use it when there is a service outage to see if I'm the only one experiencing it.

What you see on Twitter, in general, is negativity and angriness.

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Re: Re: Twitter
By: Ennev to Gamgee on Tue Apr 26 2022 08:50 am

Yeah, I took it in the first year, then never really used it. I never got it where a minimalistic interface felt like the 1970s and still is.

I spent almost six years earlier in my career in marketing and communications helping non-profits, government agencies, and corporations use the power of social media to build a following. Bottom line: aside from celebrities and influencers, Twitter has done very little to increase engagement and its interface, as spartan as it is, only drives re-tweets.

It is just sad that eventually, it replaced RSS for many people and sadly, for some, this is where they get their news.

I completely agree! Reddit's co-founder and the creator of RSS, Aaron Swartz, was a legend and RSS was a powerful syndicating and automating platform. I remember using RSS to drive a "networking" effect, like BBS echoes, across web-based forums back in the early-to-mid 2000's.

Recently I only use it when there is a service outage to see if I'm the only one experiencing it.

That is definitely my primary use for Twitter. If a road is closed, or there is snow, or there's a power or service interruption, I definitely can see other people complaining way before I do, and at least then I know that it's not just me!

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That is definitely my primary use for Twitter. If a road is closed, or there is snow, or there's a power or service interruption, I definitely can see other people complaining way before I do, and at least then I know that it's not just me!

Yes, its purpose is really for complaining or hearing people complain :-)

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Re: Re: Twitter
By: Ennev to Kaelon on Sat Apr 30 2022 10:44 pm

Yes, its purpose is really for complaining or hearing people complain :-)

Don't forget the neverending drama that influencer culture produces, too! ;-) -=- Kaelon -=-

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Re: Re: Twitter
By: Ennev to Kaelon on Sat Apr 30 2022 10:44 pm

That is definitely my primary use for Twitter. If a road is closed, or there is snow, or there's a power or service interruption, I definitely can see other people complaining way before I do, and at least then I know that it's not just me!

Yes, its purpose is really for complaining or hearing people complain :-)

i dunno. i love to complain but i dont use twitter much.
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Re: Re: Twitter
By: Ennev to Kaelon on Sat Apr 30 2022 10:44 pm

Yes, its purpose is really for complaining or hearing people complain :-)

I was on twitter during the shut down, kept getting shadow banned then banned for a week, I DM'd @jack and told him to shove twitter.
I started a new account on april 30 just seeing if anything will change.
Many conservatives in one day got back 200,000 to 300,000 followers.
It shows how hard they were silencing one group of people.
I now have 1 official follower lol, not really trying to get followers as I will probably within a month close it down anyway.


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Re: Re: Twitter
By: Denn to Ennev on Mon May 02 2022 01:20 am

It shows how hard they were silencing one group of people.

Social Media is a racket, and it's sad that so many people have been brain-washed by the dopamine-boost that is "follower engagement." The old adage, that if you're not paying for it, you're the product being sold, holds ever-true.

I'm genuinely hopeful that the realization of the mass-commoditization of people, the rampant censorship, the hyper-commercialized algorithms, and the psychologically-destructive and emotionally and socially disruptive experience that is Twitter, Facebook, etc., drives a permanent shift of people away from these platforms back to systems that they truly own: their own, and perhaps, systems like ours, the BBS'es of old.
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Re: Re: Twitter
By: Kaelon to Ennev on Sun May 01 2022 06:14 am

Don't forget the neverending drama that influencer culture produces, too! ;- -=- Kaelon -=-

Does Twitter do anything for professional Influencers these days?

Twitter does not produce direct revenue for users. The bets Influencers can do is to try to divert users from Twitter to the platforms that actually pay the Influencer. It does not sound like a bright plan to me.

By the way, I hate the term "influencer". It should be "Advertising person" instead :-)

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Re: Re: Twitter
By: Kaelon to Denn on Mon May 02 2022 07:28 am

Re: Re: Twitter
By: Denn to Ennev on Mon May 02 2022 01:20 am

It shows how hard they were silencing one group of people.

Social Media is a racket, and it's sad that so many people have been brain-washed by the dopamine-boost that is "follower engagement." The old adage, that if you're not paying for it, you're the product being sold, hold ever-true.

I'm genuinely hopeful that the realization of the mass-commoditization of people, the rampant censorship, the hyper-commercialized algorithms, and the psychologically-destructive and emotionally and socially disruptive experien that is Twitter, Facebook, etc., drives a permanent shift of people away fro these platforms back to systems that they truly own: their own, and perhaps, systems like ours, the BBS'es of old.
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I think people only realizes how fucked up it is once they step out for a while and one day try to go back in. Like TV.

Seriously, I may turn the TV set once or twice per year in order to follow very specific events, and each time I do, it looks so much more dumb than the last time. Dumb and manipulative. People who watched TV every day does not realize because the dumbing down is progressive, but if you check every 6 months you can say the difference gets HUGE overtime.

My father has never being so happy since he left Facebook for good :-)

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Re: Re: Twitter
By: Arelor to Kaelon on Mon May 02 2022 12:02 pm

Does Twitter do anything for professional Influencers these days?

Yes, Twitter is - in essence - a micro-news platform. So influencers / advertisers, whatever you want to call them, use Twitter to let people know when they are going to be online, in person, releasing information, etc. It's pretty effective among Twitch streamers, Business Influencers, the lecture circuit, etc.

But you are right: Twitter, in and of itself, isn't a platform suited to the monetization of end-user generated content. YouTube, on the other hand, is.
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Re: Re: Twitter
By: Arelor to Kaelon on Mon May 02 2022 12:06 pm

Seriously, I may turn the TV set once or twice per year in order to follow very specific events, and each time I do, it looks so much more dumb than the last time. Dumb and manipulative. People who watched TV every day does not realize because the dumbing down is progressive, but if you check every 6 months you can say the difference gets HUGE overtime.

Absolutely. I stopped watching "TV" (by "TV", I mean you to mean largely the cable / broadcast news and info-tainment diet) several years ago, and just check in infrequently. Honestly, getting my information from print, YouTube, the web, and other resources helps streamline my intake, and makes me a lot less a commodity to the talking heads.

Not at all surprised that your dad is happier now that he's off of news.
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Re: Re: Twitter
By: Arelor to Kaelon on Mon May 02 2022 12:06 pm

I think people only realizes how fucked up it is once they step out for a while and one day try to go back in. Like TV.

Seriously, I may turn the TV set once or twice per year in order to follow very specific events, and each time I do, it looks so much more dumb than the last time. Dumb and manipulative. People who watched TV every day does not realize because the dumbing down is progressive, but if you check every 6 months you can say the difference gets HUGE overtime.

i cant get anything done if i dont watch mah honey boo boo reruns and 90 day fiance.
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i dunno. i love to complain but i dont use twitter much.

Because you're a pro :-) on Twitter, it's too easy.

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Does Twitter do anything for professional Influencers these days?

Like you said, not directly. But it does help drive traffic to other platforms.

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Not at all surprised that your dad is happier now that he's off of the news.

Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I never relied on Twitter or other social platforms for news.

News about Australia from a guy in a basement in Belgium?

I also try to diversify my sources, but they'll be mainstream news (BBC, CBC, US & also checking news from "bad" countries just to hear the other version). I usually stay away from the TV and continuous news channel that will just repeat graphic stuff just to keep you watching. I rely more on radio and written stuff where it's more in-deep than just the surface graphic images that goes more for the sensational that giving background fact.

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Re: Re: Twitter
By: Ennev to Kaelon on Mon May 02 2022 07:00 pm

Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I never relied on Twitter or other social platforms for news.

News about Australia from a guy in a basement in Belgium?

I don't use Twitter much, but I use Facebook and Reddit. If anyone posts news there, it's usually not their own original news reporting, but rather links to news articles I might not have seen otherwise.

Nightfox

Re: Re: Twitter
By: Ennev to Kaelon on Mon May 02 2022 07:00 pm

Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I never relied on Twitter or other social platforms for news.

News about Australia from a guy in a basement in Belgium?

I guess it's all in how you define the "news." Yes, I agree that the 24-hour news cycle - much like the infinite news cycle of social media - has created a situation where TV is constantly sensationalizing news and has, since Bill Bradley first wrote about it in 1999, merged the information and entertainment industries into one giant misinformation "infotainment" complex.

But if you want hyper-local news and weather, from real people who are telling you what is happening outside their homes, then it's hard to beat the micro-news of Twitter. For example, with regards to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, you get real-time updates from the battlefield both from people who are witnessing it (and capturing video) and from military analysts and true armchair generals who are assessing the war.

And let's also not forget that the United States' strike and righteous kill of Usama bin Laden was first reported by residents of Abottabad on Twitter, hours before the mainstream news sources reported it.
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I don't use Twitter much, but I use Facebook and Reddit. If anyone posts news there, it's usually not their own original news reporting, but rather links to news articles I might not have seen otherwise.

Yeah, but you have to be worried about these links sometimes, usually, I usually check if the news is corroborated but a different news source. But the trap also sometimes it's exactly the same copy-paste text at the other place.

It's getting harder and harder with deep fakes etc. It's going to be next to impossible in the near future to distinguish a fake video from a real one. Like the movie "Black Rain" we are here now.

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I don't use Twitter much, but I use Facebook and Reddit. If anyone posts news there, it's usually not their own original news reporting, but rather links to news articles I might not have seen otherwise.

Yeah, but you have to be worried about these links sometimes, usually, I usually
check if the news is corroborated but a different news source. But the trap also
sometimes it's exactly the same copy-paste text at the other place.

It's getting harder and harder with deep fakes etc. It's going to be next to impossible in the near future to distinguish a fake video from a real one. Like the movie "Black Rain" we are here now.

My mistake, the movie was "Rising Sun"

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Re: Re: Twitter
By: Ennev to MRO on Mon May 02 2022 06:46 pm

i dunno. i love to complain but i dont use twitter much.

Because you're a pro :-) on Twitter, it's too easy.

i was raised by women so like every second of my life is complaining.
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i was raised by women so like every second of my life is complaining.

LOL :-D

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Re: Re: Twitter
By: Ennev to Nightfox on Mon May 02 2022 09:39 pm

It's getting harder and harder with deep fakes etc. It's going to be next to impossible in the near future to distinguish a fake video from a real one.

That's one thing I'm worried about. With deep fakes being easily believable, it will be easier for people to spread fake news.

Nightfox

Re: Re: Twitter
By: Nightfox to Ennev on Tue May 03 2022 09:19 am

Re: Re: Twitter
By: Ennev to Nightfox on Mon May 02 2022 09:39 pm

It's getting harder and harder with deep fakes etc. It's going to be next to impossible in the near future to distinguish a fake video from a real one.

That's one thing I'm worried about. With deep fakes being easily believable, it will be easier for people to spread fake news.

the guy that was doing final destination movies does tom cruise deep fakes.
his hair and body and voice match perfectly. i'm not sure if i said this here.

https://www.today.com/news/man-tom-cruise-deepfakes-tiktok-speaks-ethics-technology-rcna10163
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Re: Re: Twitter
By: Nightfox to Ennev on Tue May 03 2022 09:19 am

Re: Re: Twitter
By: Ennev to Nightfox on Mon May 02 2022 09:39 pm

It's getting harder and harder with deep fakes etc. It's going to be next to
impossible in the near future to distinguish a fake video from a real one.

That's one thing I'm worried about. With deep fakes being easily believable, it wi
be easier for people to spread fake news.

Nightfox

Mass media people is also people. They are as likely to corrupt reports as Joe the
barman.

The faster way to lose faith in the media is to be involved with an important event
and then seeing it reported by professional journalists. My experience is that the
facts hardly ever match reality because many journalists don't investigate at all.
They get some facts and build a story from there because it is cheaper and gets them
more success than coming up with a real story.

As a result you get local news about some guy who was attacked by a dog - except the
victim actually fell while changing a rooftile and there was never a dog involved.

Journalist are scared because now Joe the barman can play the same dirty game. No
sympathy from me. Fuck them all.

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That's one thing I'm worried about. With deep fakes being easily believable, it will be easier for people to spread fake news.

Yes, I believe that it will bring a lot of chaos.

It will be back to eye witness that you'll have to trust or not. Back to the pre-photography days.

And now, in the digital age, where is the original anyway? It's not like we have a negative or a tangible physical object to base our assessment on. And still, it's about trust, you'll have to trust the guy telling you that he saw the original and believe it hasn't been tampered with.

For most of the 20th century, we lived in an age where you could believe images, still, they were airbrushing and manipulating photographs, but it was easier to spot. These days are over.

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Re: Re: Twitter
By: MRO to Arelor on Mon May 02 2022 04:08 pm

Re: Re: Twitter
By: Arelor to Kaelon on Mon May 02 2022 12:06 pm

I think people only realizes how fucked up it is once they step out for a while and one day try to go back in. Like TV.

Seriously, I may turn the TV set once or twice per year in order to follo very specific events, and each time I do, it looks so much more dumb than the last time. Dumb and manipulative. People who watched TV every day doe not realize because the dumbing down is progressive, but if you check eve 6 months you can say the difference gets HUGE overtime.

i cant get anything done if i dont watch mah honey boo boo reruns and 90 day

As networks move more of their premium shows to a subscription based premium online channel, the quality of basic cable and and product sponsored TV will continue to degrade. The networks all have "anchor" shows that are better written or are better produced, then the rest are re-runs of their lower end shows or play old movies. Move those anchors behind pay wall, and watch
their ratings drop.

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Re: Re: Twitter
By: Ennev to Nightfox on Mon May 02 2022 09:39 pm

I don't use Twitter much, but I use Facebook and Reddit. If anyone posts news there, it's usually not their own original news reporting, but rathe links to news articles I might not have seen otherwise.

Yeah, but you have to be worried about these links sometimes, usually, I usually
check if the news is corroborated but a different news source. But the trap also
sometimes it's exactly the same copy-paste text at the other place.

It's getting harder and harder with deep fakes etc. It's going to be next to impossible in the near future to distinguish a fake video from a real one. L the movie "Black Rain" we are here now.

My mistake, the movie was "Rising Sun"

Deep Fake reminds me of when I read 1984 in high school. Imagine if the news media went back in their archives to edit old footage or create replacement archive footage? Any video recorded would require a checksum to verify it hasn't been altered

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Deep Fake reminds me of when I read 1984 in high school. Imagine if the news media went back in their archives to edit old footage or create replacement archive footage? Any video recorded would require a checksum to verify it hasn't been altered

Yes, it's known that some movies get scenes removed, especially from one market to another. For example, in China scenes are removed, sometimes they even shoot scenes for the Chinese movie and others for the rest of the world.

Also, we know the movies disappear from the streaming platform as soon as one of the actors in them gets in trouble. Cancel culture is literal. I guess soon with Deep fakes they'll just replace the actor.

That's the thing with our nice streaming world now, the movie you watched yesterday might not be exactly the movie you watched today.

At least with physical format what you have stays the same. The best example is Star Wars episode 4, how many versions of that movie exist?

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Re: Re: Twitter
By: Ennev to Moondog on Tue May 03 2022 05:59 pm

Yes, it's known that some movies get scenes removed, especially from one market to another. For example, in China scenes are removed, sometimes they even shoot scenes for the Chinese movie and others for the rest of the world.

The same is true with gaming, and has been for quite some time. In Germany, depicting Nazi imagery is highly regulated, and so games from Wolfenstein to Hearts of Iron have had to show the Third Reich with the German Iron Cross instead of the Swastika, which is banned. In China, depicting skeletons is considered highly offensive and regulated by the Communist Party, and so World of Warcraft had to redesign all of its corpses to appear as "bags" (to loot) on the ground, rather than dead bodies. It's crazy.

That's the thing with our nice streaming world now, the movie you watched yesterday might not be exactly the movie you watched today.

This is why I download unedited original versions of everything that I like and then put it on my Plex Server at home. It's a nightmare to confront the reality that you no longer own anything, you're just renting it. Unacceptable, in my view.
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Re: Re: Twitter
By: Ennev to Moondog on Tue May 03 2022 05:59 pm

Also, we know the movies disappear from the streaming platform as soon as one of the actors in them gets in trouble. Cancel culture is literal. I guess soon with Deep fakes they'll just replace the actor.

That's the thing with our nice streaming world now, the movie you watched yesterday might not be exactly the movie you watched today.

That's one reason I still like to buy my own physical copies of movies & shows I like.

At least with physical format what you have stays the same. The best example is Star Wars episode 4, how many versions of that movie exist?

Episodes 5 and 6 as well.. There have been lots of changes to those, but not because anyone did anything wrong, it was because George Lucas seemed to feel like he couldn't stop messing with them.

Nightfox

Re: Media (was Twitter)
By: Nightfox to Ennev on Tue May 03 2022 03:31 pm

At least with physical format what you have stays the same. The best example is Star Wars episode 4, how many versions of that movie exist?

Episodes 5 and 6 as well.. There have been lots of changes to those, but not because anyone did anything wrong, it was because George Lucas seemed to feel like he couldn't stop messing with them.

The greatest crime was adding to the ambiguity in Episode 4 that, without a doubt, Han shot first.
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Re: Re: Twitter
By: Kaelon to Denn on Mon May 02 2022 07:28 am

It shows how hard they were silencing one group of people.

Social Media is a racket, and it's sad that so many people have been brain-washed by the dopamine-boost that is "follower engagement." The old

I just thought I would make a new name and test it since the annoucment of Elon buying it.
I was only on twitter during the shutdown before, then was shadow banned a few times then suspended.
I deleted my account, Its funny all the beggers asking to be followed.

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Re: Re: Twitter
By: MRO to Nightfox on Tue May 03 2022 12:00 pm

Re: Re: Twitter
By: Nightfox to Ennev on Tue May 03 2022 09:19 am

Re: Re: Twitter
By: Ennev to Nightfox on Mon May 02 2022 09:39 pm

It's getting harder and harder with deep fakes etc. It's going to be next to impossible in the near future to distinguish a fake video fr a real one.

That's one thing I'm worried about. With deep fakes being easily believable, it will be easier for people to spread fake news.

the guy that was doing final destination movies does tom cruise deep fakes. his hair and body and voice match perfectly. i'm not sure if i said this he

https://www.today.com/news/man-tom-cruise-deepfakes-tiktok-speaks-ethics-tec https://preview.tinyurl.com/y2auw6b3

In the second season of the Mandalorian they de-aged Mark Hammill to play the younger Luke. His facial geometry changed since then, so it wasn't perfect. In the Book of Boba Fett they used a stand in and deepfaked his face, and
used a special voice changing AI to match his younger voice. The fake looked better than the original.

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Re: Re: Twitter
By: Ennev to Moondog on Tue May 03 2022 05:59 pm

Deep Fake reminds me of when I read 1984 in high school. Imagine if the news media went back in their archives to edit old footage or create replacement archive footage? Any video recorded would require a checksum verify it hasn't been altered

Yes, it's known that some movies get scenes removed, especially from one mar to another. For example, in China scenes are removed, sometimes they even sh scenes for the Chinese movie and others for the rest of the world.

Also, we know the movies disappear from the streaming platform as soon as on of the actors in them gets in trouble. Cancel culture is literal. I guess so with Deep fakes they'll just replace the actor.

That's the thing with our nice streaming world now, the movie you watched yesterday might not be exactly the movie you watched today.

At least with physical format what you have stays the same. The best example Star Wars episode 4, how many versions of that movie exist?

Speaking of regional edits, there is a scene early in the Catain America
Winter where Falcon tells Steve to add a soundtrack to his list of things to hear and watch. The next scene is him writing it down in a notebook of
other things to read or hear. Depending on which country or region, the
list shown reflects the pop culture of that region.

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Re: Media (was Twitter)
By: Nightfox to Ennev on Tue May 03 2022 03:31 pm

Re: Re: Twitter
By: Ennev to Moondog on Tue May 03 2022 05:59 pm

Also, we know the movies disappear from the streaming platform as soon one of the actors in them gets in trouble. Cancel culture is literal. I guess soon with Deep fakes they'll just replace the actor.

That's the thing with our nice streaming world now, the movie you watch yesterday might not be exactly the movie you watched today.

That's one reason I still like to buy my own physical copies of movies & sho

At least with physical format what you have stays the same. The best example is Star Wars episode 4, how many versions of that movie exist?

Episodes 5 and 6 as well.. There have been lots of changes to those, but no

Nightfox

I bought the box set on VHS before the re-showing of the "enhanced" films appeared in theaters. When sitting in the theater, severl people freaked out when Han did not shoot first. Lucas explained that his kids were confused by Han shooting first, because he is a good guy. He could've explained he
created that scene to create the impression this guy may not be as good as
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Re: Media (was Twitter)
By: Kaelon to Nightfox on Tue May 03 2022 04:26 pm

Re: Media (was Twitter)
By: Nightfox to Ennev on Tue May 03 2022 03:31 pm

At least with physical format what you have stays the same. The best example is Star Wars episode 4, how many versions of that movie exis

Episodes 5 and 6 as well.. There have been lots of changes to those, but not because anyone did anything wrong, it was because George Lucas seemed feel like he couldn't stop messing with them.

The greatest crime was adding to the ambiguity in Episode 4 that, without a _____
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Just mentioned this in my last reply. Lucas was looking at the re-edits from the view of a dad rather than that of a kid, and create less of a doubt that Han is a good guy. At that point in the film we're supposed to think he's a p irate not to be trusted.

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Re: Re: Twitter
By: Moondog to MRO on Wed May 04 2022 12:05 am

In the second season of the Mandalorian they de-aged Mark Hammill to play the younger Luke. His facial geometry changed since then, so it wasn't perfect.

yeah that didn't look right.

the tom cruise deepfake is pretty damn good. the actor is very close
in size and face structure.
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This is why I download unedited original versions of everything that I like and then put it on my Plex Server at home. It's a nightmare to confront the reality that you no longer own anything, you're just renting it. Unacceptable, in my view.

For me, it's not just about owing the media but also that it won't be altered without me knowing. Like Moondog mentioned, it happened a lot in the book 1984, the character would read the news one day and reread the same article next, and people were changed, etc., but the published date was the same.

The main quote of 1984 is :

"Who controls the past controls the future."

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Deep Fake reminds me of when I read 1984 in high school. Imagine if the news media went back in their archives to edit old footage or create replacement archive footage? Any video recorded would require a checksum to verify it hasn't been altered

Yes, eventually a system will have to be agreed on.

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Speaking of regional edits, there is a scene early in the Catain America Winter where Falcon tells Steve to add a soundtrack to his list of things to hear and watch. The next scene is him writing it down in a notebook of other things to read or hear. Depending on which country or region, the list shown reflects the pop culture of that region.

Wow, that's bad

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I bought the box set on VHS before the re-showing of the "enhanced" films appeared in theaters. When sitting in the theater, severl people freaked out when Han did not shoot first. Lucas explained that his kids were confused by Han shooting first, because he is a good guy. He could've explained he
created that scene to create the impression this guy may not be as good as they think.

It's a weird concept of "good guys." You know the guy in front of you is there to kill you, so what are you going to do? Let him shoot first in a gunfight? I saw the original in theatre (I'm that old) and didn't have an issue with that.

And also I see it as an allegory of redemption. That you can in your life do sketchy and bad things and turn around and do good. In our cancel culture, it seems not impossible for someone to change and improve. What does it mean then "learning from our mistakes" if you're not allowed any?

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Just mentioned this in my last reply. Lucas was looking at the re-edits from the view of a dad rather than that of a kid, and create less of a doubt that Han is a good guy. At that point in the film we're supposed to think he's a p irate not to be trusted.

I think somehow it was less simplistic and more real to have a character that was "acting badly" because of the circumstances. You live in an oppressive society governed by an evil regime crushing your life and dream.

Sometimes in order to survive, you have to do reprehensible things.

again I'll quote doctor who:
Sometimes The Only Choices You Have Are Bad ones, but still, you have to choose.

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Re: Media (was Twitter)
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Wed May 04 2022 12:17 am

I bought the box set on VHS before the re-showing of the "enhanced" films appeared in theaters. When sitting in the theater, severl people freaked out when Han did not shoot first. Lucas explained that his kids were confused by Han shooting first, because he is a good guy. He could've explained he created that scene to create the impression this guy may not be as good as they think.

Yeah, that was always one of the more controversial changes.

Nightfox

Re: Re: Twitter
By: Moondog to MRO on Wed May 04 2022 12:05 am

In the second season of the Mandalorian they de-aged Mark Hammill to play the younger Luke. His facial geometry changed since then, so it wasn't perfect. In the Book of Boba Fett they used a stand in and deepfaked his face, and used a special voice changing AI to match his younger voice. The fake looked better than the original.

Is de-aging a different process from making a deepfake? I had assumed both might refer to the same thing, as in taking an old photo/image of the person's older face when they were younger and putting that on newer footage.

Nightfox

Re: Re: Media (was Twitter)
By: Ennev to Moondog on Wed May 04 2022 08:44 am

I bought the box set on VHS before the re-showing of the "enhanced" films appeared in theaters. When sitting in the theater, severl people freaked out when Han did not shoot first. Lucas explained that his kids were confused by Han shooting first, because he is a good guy. He could've explained he
created that scene to create the impression this guy may not be as good a they think.

It's a weird concept of "good guys." You know the guy in front of you is the to kill you, so what are you going to do? Let him shoot first in a gunfight? saw the original in theatre (I'm that old) and didn't have an issue with tha

And also I see it as an allegory of redemption. That you can in your life do sketchy and bad things and turn around and do good. In our cancel culture, i seems not impossible for someone to change and improve. What does it mean th "learning from our mistakes" if you're not allowed any?

An anti-hero is a protagonist who is as flawed or more flawed than most characters; he is someone who disturbs the viewer with his weaknesses yet is sympathetically portrayed, and who magnifies the frailties of humanity. When seeking a smuggler, Ben was expecting a sleezeball that thinks of himself first. Han falls into the anti-hero archetype. When it counted, he wasn't much of a pirate.

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Re: Re: Media (was Twitter)
By: Ennev to Moondog on Wed May 04 2022 08:55 am

Just mentioned this in my last reply. Lucas was looking at the re-edits from the view of a dad rather than that of a kid, and create less of a do that Han is a good guy. At that point in the film we're supposed to thin he's a p irate not to be trusted.

I think somehow it was less simplistic and more real to have a character tha was "acting badly" because of the circumstances. You live in an oppressive society governed by an evil regime crushing your life and dream.

Sometimes in order to survive, you have to do reprehensible things.

again I'll quote doctor who:
Sometimes The Only Choices You Have Are Bad ones, but still, you have to choose.

Firefly is another series that plays on the idea of anti-heroes. Mal Reynolds isa criminal by trade, but does the right thing when he learns who is getting hurt.

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Re: Re: Twitter
By: Nightfox to Moondog on Wed May 04 2022 09:39 am

Re: Re: Twitter
By: Moondog to MRO on Wed May 04 2022 12:05 am

In the second season of the Mandalorian they de-aged Mark Hammill to pl the younger Luke. His facial geometry changed since then, so it wasn't perfect. In the Book of Boba Fett they used a stand in and deepfaked hi face, and used a special voice changing AI to match his younger voice. fake looked better than the original.

Is de-aging a different process from making a deepfake? I had assumed both

Nightfox

De-aging is similar except it's the original actor's face being scanned. On p aper it should be more accurate since the actor is still required to recreate their mannerism and facial expression. In the movie Rogue One Princess Leia
and Grand Moff Tarkin were stand-ins with the digital can mask applied. Gold Leader was also de-aged to play himself. Tarkin didn't look that great on
the big screen however at 1080p and lower he looks better.

My understanding is Deepfake isn't as reliant on an exact face model's real features.

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Moondog wrote to Kaelon <=-

less of a doubt that Han is a good guy. At that point in the film
we're supposed to think he's a pirate not to be trusted.

I thought that Han shooting first helped contrast his redemption in
the end.






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Moondog wrote to Ennev <=-

Speaking of regional edits, there is a scene early in the Catain
America Winter where Falcon tells Steve to add a soundtrack to his list
of things to hear and watch. The next scene is him writing it down in
a notebook of other things to read or hear. Depending on which country
or region, the list shown reflects the pop culture of that region.

Oh, that's interesting. I'll have to hit the web and see if someone
has compiled all of the lists.



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Ennev wrote to Moondog <=-

I think somehow it was less simplistic and more real to have a
character that was "acting badly" because of the circumstances. You
live in an oppressive society governed by an evil regime crushing your life and dream.

Sometimes in order to survive, you have to do reprehensible things.

Who would win in a gunfight - Malcolm Reynolds or Han Solo? :)



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Nightfox wrote to Moondog <=-

In the second season of the Mandalorian they de-aged Mark Hammill to play the younger Luke. His facial geometry changed since then, so it wasn't perfect. In the Book of Boba Fett they used a stand in and deepfaked his face, and used a special voice changing AI to match his younger voice. The fake looked better than the original.

Some people on the internet re-did the Mandalorian de-aging and did a
better job with it, with consumer hardware.

It's getting better and better, I'm expecting that in the future and
actor or actress is going to walk off a show and they'll finish the
show with CGI.


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Re: Re: Twitter
By: Ennev to Nightfox on Tue May 03 2022 01:44 pm

For most of the 20th century, we lived in an age where you could believe images, still, they were airbrushing and manipulating photographs, but it wa easier to spot. These days are over.

Something people often forget is that you can manipulate the meaning of images without rigging the image itself. You just manipulate the context.

Any news agency can pick an old clip from the archives of a guy beating another guy and attatch any headline to it. That's very useful when you want to sell a particular sort of story. If your magazine is selling fear from dogs, you just get a picture of a dog attacking some guy and forget to mention the dog is defending an old lady from a mugger.




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Re: Re: Twitter
By: Ennev to Moondog on Tue May 03 2022 05:59 pm

Yes, it's known that some movies get scenes removed, especially from one mar to another. For example, in China scenes are removed, sometimes they even sh scenes for the Chinese movie and others for the rest of the world.

Oh, that is when they don't burn the movie altogether.

When General Franco died, democracy took over and many reels of Francoist propaganda were just "disappeared". Such a shame because, despite having a clear fascist bias, many old war films have historical significance. Plus, watching films of Communists and Fascist killing each other is priceless.

Thankfuly, the Internet facilitates finding digital transfers of the films that survived the onslaught.

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Who would win in a gunfight - Malcolm Reynolds or Han Solo? :)

I don't know but I would like to see that :-)

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Something people often forget is that you can manipulate the meaning of images without rigging the image itself. You just manipulate the context.

Yes, it's used a lot. You show a mob of people rioting, saying it was from Toronto, and after research, they find that the footage was from 5 years ago in Berlin etc.

So indeed, no digital alteration was needed.

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Thankfuly, the Internet facilitates finding digital transfers of the films that survived the onslaught.

Yes, we have to be tankful of that and project the archive.org

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Re: Re: Media (was Twitter)
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Wed May 04 2022 07:13 am

Moondog wrote to Kaelon <=-

less of a doubt that Han is a good guy. At that point in the film we're supposed to think he's a pirate not to be trusted.

I thought that Han shooting first helped contrast his redemption in
the end.

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It does. He's desparate. He may just as well sell them out at any time to
pay his debt.


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Re: Re: Twitter
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Wed May 04 2022 07:14 am

Moondog wrote to Ennev <=-

Speaking of regional edits, there is a scene early in the Catain America Winter where Falcon tells Steve to add a soundtrack to his list of things to hear and watch. The next scene is him writing it down in a notebook of other things to read or hear. Depending on which country or region, the list shown reflects the pop culture of that region.

Oh, that's interesting. I'll have to hit the web and see if someone
has compiled all of the lists.

... Go outside. Shut the door.

https://www.ign.com/articles/2014/04/01/captain-america-the-winter-soldier-int ernational-differences


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Re: Re: Media (was Twitter)
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Ennev on Thu May 05 2022 07:10 am

Ennev wrote to Moondog <=-

I think somehow it was less simplistic and more real to have a character that was "acting badly" because of the circumstances. You live in an oppressive society governed by an evil regime crushing your life and dream.

Sometimes in order to survive, you have to do reprehensible things.

Who would win in a gunfight - Malcolm Reynolds or Han Solo? :)

... Consider different fading systems

Mal has shoved people into running engines and shot people in the head beofre they finished completing sentences. Tough call. Both are not afraid to resort to sudden violence.

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Re: Re: Twitter
By: Arelor to Ennev on Thu May 05 2022 09:47 am

Re: Re: Twitter
By: Ennev to Nightfox on Tue May 03 2022 01:44 pm

For most of the 20th century, we lived in an age where you could believe images, still, they were airbrushing and manipulating photographs, but it easier to spot. These days are over.

Something people often forget is that you can manipulate the meaning of imag without rigging the image itself. You just manipulate the context.

Any news agency can pick an old clip from the archives of a guy beating anot guy and attatch any headline to it. That's very useful when you want to sell particular sort of story. If your magazine is selling fear from dogs, you ju get a picture of a dog attacking some guy and forget to mention the dog is defending an old lady from a mugger.

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The Soviets were known for cutting and adding people to pictures. Some propaganda pictures showed pictures of nazis executing women and children,
and either the soldier or the pleading woman were added to the photo.

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Arelor wrote to Ennev <=-

Any news agency can pick an old clip from the archives of a guy beating another guy and attatch any headline to it. That's very useful when you want to sell a particular sort of story. If your magazine is selling
fear from dogs, you just get a picture of a dog attacking some guy and forget to mention the dog is defending an old lady from a mugger.

There's a scene in "The Newsroom" S01E08 where one of the characters
deconstructs Nancy Grace's coverage of the Casey Anthony murder
trial, and seeing how the images are used to manipulate the audience
are almost chilling.



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Ennev wrote to Arelor <=-

Something people often forget is that you can manipulate the meaning of images without rigging the image itself. You just manipulate the context.

Yes, it's used a lot. You show a mob of people rioting, saying it was
from Toronto, and after research, they find that the footage was from 5 years ago in Berlin etc.

Image search is something every skeptical mind needs to be able to do.



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Moondog wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Mal has shoved people into running engines and shot people in the head beofre they finished completing sentences. Tough call. Both are not
afraid to resort to sudden violence.

There was a scene in The Walking Dead (a couple, actually) where Rick
goes from sizing someone up, being polite and non-confrontational, to
shooting one person, point-blank, shooting him again, and then
shooting his partner before he had a chance to react.

That level of decisive action is pretty shocking.



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Re: Re: Media (was Twitter)
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Sat May 07 2022 10:52 am

Moondog wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Mal has shoved people into running engines and shot people in the head beofre they finished completing sentences. Tough call. Both are not afraid to resort to sudden violence.

There was a scene in The Walking Dead (a couple, actually) where Rick
goes from sizing someone up, being polite and non-confrontational, to
shooting one person, point-blank, shooting him again, and then
shooting his partner before he had a chance to react.

That level of decisive action is pretty shocking.

... Fifty Quatloos on the newcomer!

Being civil isn't a sign of weakness, and doesn't imply a person is incapable of great violence. Being polite is a preference.

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Image search is something every skeptical mind needs to be able to do.

Especially on Tinder profiles :-D lol

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Re: Re: Twitter
By: Ennev to Arelor on Thu May 05 2022 11:49 am

Thankfuly, the Internet facilitates finding digital transfers of the films that
survived the onslaught.

Yes, we have to be tankful of that and project the archive.org

Archive.org is quite neat.

There are, however, commercial websites collecting old reels and then selling restorations of old movies. Also, plenty warez sites which coindidentially have lots
of public domain movies from the silent era too available.

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Arelor wrote to Ennev <=-

Archive.org is quite neat.

There are, however, commercial websites collecting old reels and then selling restorations of old movies. Also, plenty warez sites which coindidentially have lots of public domain movies from the silent era
too available.

I'm not sure what happened here, but OMNI magazine (one of my favorite magazines as a kid) was on archive.org, but recently disappeared off
of archive.org and re-appeared on Amazon for sale.



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I'm not sure what happened here, but OMNI magazine (one of my favorite magazines as a kid) was on archive.org, but recently disappeared off
of archive.org and re-appeared on Amazon for sale.

Weird, I guess you should always download everything you can, one can never know when it will disappear.

I guess Archive.org got a take-down notice? For the few bucks they'll get on amazon :-/

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Re: Re: Twitter
By: Ennev to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue May 10 2022 11:41 am

Weird, I guess you should always download everything you can, one can never know when it will disappear.

There's a reddit group called /r/datahoarders that's all about people snarfing up everything they can and filling up drives. I have a 7.2 TB RAID array and a 10GB external I should fill up. :)

What I've been meaning to do is bring my RAID array to work and set up cloud sync - let the first sync happen on my office's unlimited 600/600 network connection. :)

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What I've been meaning to do is bring my RAID array to work and set up cloud sync - let the first sync happen on my office's unlimited 600/600 network connection. :)

You should :-D

I've set up a few months ago a Synology 920+ with 4 X 4TB in their proprietary "hybrid raid," which doesn't limit me to stick to drives of the same size, but already it has 10TB of stuff. Just that 4TB disk is at a good price point, but now I find that 8TB + not so much :-/.But the goal is to remove redundancy so the size will go down a bit, but maybe I'll buy an expansion bay instead of replacing some disk with 8TB. I've pretty much removed all the obvious duplicated with automation. But now, I'll have to go deeper. Usually, I kept my stuff on a stack of disconnected drives that I would plugin when I needed something. Now it's fun to see everything on a centralized interface and instantly accessible.

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Re: Re: Twitter
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Ennev on Tue May 10 2022 05:17 pm

Re: Re: Twitter
By: Ennev to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue May 10 2022 11:41 am

Weird, I guess you should always download everything you can, one can ne know when it will disappear.

There's a reddit group called /r/datahoarders that's all about people snarfi up everything they can and filling up drives. I have a 7.2 TB RAID array and 10GB external I should fill up. :)

What I've been meaning to do is bring my RAID array to work and set up cloud sync - let the first sync happen on my office's unlimited 600/600 network connection. :)

10GB external? That is small by todays standards.

I've browsed through the datahoarders group, some do seem to have an unhealthy addiction to collecting files.

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10GB external? That is small by todays standards.

sorry correction, I meant 10TB

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Re: Re: Media (was Twitter)
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Wed May 04 2022 07:13 am

Moondog wrote to Kaelon <=-

less of a doubt that Han is a good guy. At that point in the film we're supposed to think he's a pirate not to be trusted.

I thought that Han shooting first helped contrast his redemption in
the end.

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Re: Re: Media (was Twitter)
By: Moondog to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun May 08 2022 08:04 pm

goes from sizing someone up, being polite and non-confrontational, to
shooting one person, point-blank, shooting him again, and then
shooting his partner before he had a chance to react.

That level of decisive action is pretty shocking.

... Fifty Quatloos on the newcomer!

Being civil isn't a sign of weakness, and doesn't imply a person is incapable of great violence. Being polite is a preference.

he was just being smart and not showing his hand.
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Re: Re: Twitter
By: Arelor to Ennev on Tue May 10 2022 04:59 am

Re: Re: Twitter
By: Ennev to Arelor on Thu May 05 2022 11:49 am

Thankfuly, the Internet facilitates finding digital transfers of the films that survived the onslaught.

Yes, we have to be tankful of that and project the archive.org

Archive.org is quite neat.

There are, however, commercial websites collecting old reels and then selling restorations of old movies. Also, plenty warez sites which coindidentially have lots of public domain movies from the silent era too available.

i guess they are okay but their torrents often do not work. sometimes they change the files and they dont match the data in the .torrent file.

they also have a lot of 'illegal' software and content on archive.org.

one thing i didn't like is 'archive team' decided to make a pack of my sites back when i was developing a bunch. they never asked and the snapshots they had were works in progress and nothing anybody would want. they got pissy when i asked them to remove them. "i said i'm still up and i'm still changing my sites every day. you could have asked". also some of what they preserved wasnt worth preserving.
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Re: Re: Twitter
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Tue May 10 2022 06:46 am

Arelor wrote to Ennev <=-

Archive.org is quite neat.

There are, however, commercial websites collecting old reels and then selling restorations of old movies. Also, plenty warez sites which coindidentially have lots of public domain movies from the silent era too available.

I'm not sure what happened here, but OMNI magazine (one of my favorite magazines as a kid) was on archive.org, but recently disappeared off
of archive.org and re-appeared on Amazon for sale.

... Is there something missing?

this happened https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/2/15729620/omni-magazine-archive-amazon-jerrick-media
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Re: Re: Twitter
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Ennev on Tue May 10 2022 05:17 pm

There's a reddit group called /r/datahoarders that's all about people snarfing up everything they can and filling up drives. I have a 7.2 TB RAID array and a 10GB external I should fill up. :

that's not even that much
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Re: Re: Twitter
By: Ennev to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue May 10 2022 11:41 am

I'm not sure what happened here, but OMNI magazine (one of my favorite magazines as a kid) was on archive.org, but recently disappeared off
of archive.org and re-appeared on Amazon for sale.

Weird, I guess you should always download everything you can, one can never know when it will disappear.

I guess Archive.org got a take-down notice? For the few bucks they'll get on amazon :-/

yeah they did. archive.org has a lot of commerical stuff on it.
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Re: Re: Media (was Twitter)
By: MRO to Moondog on Mon May 09 2022 05:36 am

Re: Re: Media (was Twitter)
By: Moondog to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun May 08 2022 08:04 pm

goes from sizing someone up, being polite and non-confrontational, to
shooting one person, point-blank, shooting him again, and then
shooting his partner before he had a chance to react.

That level of decisive action is pretty shocking.

... Fifty Quatloos on the newcomer!

Being civil isn't a sign of weakness, and doesn't imply a person is incapable of great violence. Being polite is a preference.

he was just being smart and not showing his hand.

Consequences of Greedo handing him over were worse.

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