I've heard a lot from the US media about this "Great Replacement Conspiracy Theory", but I'm unsure what exactly the "Conspiracy" part is.

I thought it was common knowledge that the West is becoming more diverse, and people have openly stated, UNOPPOSED, that in the future we'll all be mixed. No one is suggesting this should happen in China, or Uganda, or Korea or Nigeria, nor is anyone saying that we should stop becoming more diverse.

It sounds like the argument against this theory is sophistry, that because of some "technicality" the claim isn't 100% true therefore is false, but this is like saying that claims the Earth is round is a conspiracy because technically speaking, the Earth isn't a sphere.

How is something, which is easily observed, now a "conspiracy theory"? If the argument is that this result isn't due to a conspiracy, then how is it that agreement on this outcome doesn't qualify?

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Re: Great Replacement Conspiracy Theory?
By: Boraxman to All on Fri May 20 2022 08:30 pm

I've heard a lot from the US media about this "Great Replacement Conspiracy Theory", but I'm unsure what exactly the "Conspiracy" part is.

Well, you know, anything that is not acceptable from the point of view of the official versions is automatically labeled as a copsiracy even if it is not a conspiracy (ie. if it is the doing of a single person it cannot be a conspiracy).

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Re: Great Replacement Conspiracy Theory?
By: Boraxman to All on Fri May 20 2022 08:30 pm

How is something, which is easily observed, now a "conspiracy theory"? If the argument is that this result isn't due to a conspiracy, then how is it that agreement on this outcome doesn't qualify?

people literally say white people need to go. white people are evil.
and then they say jews are not white people.

when white people complain about this, it's called a conspiracy theory.
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Re: Great Replacement Conspiracy Theory?
By: MRO to Boraxman on Fri May 20 2022 05:25 pm

Re: Great Replacement Conspiracy Theory?
By: Boraxman to All on Fri May 20 2022 08:30 pm

How is something, which is easily observed, now a "conspiracy theory"? I the argument is that this result isn't due to a conspiracy, then how is i that agreement on this outcome doesn't qualify?

people literally say white people need to go. white people are evil.
and then they say jews are not white people.

when white people complain about this, it's called a conspiracy theory.

It seems that by adding the "Jews" to it, the media is able to take something that is happening and turn it into a conspiracy. It's a clever trick.

You can take anything that is actually happening, tack on the end of it "some people believe this is deliberate done by *insert scapegoat group*" and make people think the entire thing is bunk.

But I have seen exactly what you said, many, many, many times over my years. People openly saying white people need to go, that it would be great when white people are gone. Just two weeks ago was the last time. Even Joe Biden himself said that Whites would be a minority in the US, and that is a good thing.

I've been all through Western Europe. I've been to London, Paris, Brussels, Marseilled, and observation doesn't lie. I was at a carnvial in Brussels and I swear my wife and I were almost the only Europeans there.

From my understanding, is people have seen this, noted the immigration policies which have caused it, noted that anyone who suggests this is not a desirable outcast is called a racist, noted that there is considered to be unacceptable to prevent this change, and concluded there is a replacement going on.

I can't really find fault with this reasoning. I *can* find fault with the idea that it is specifically promoted by a very specific cabal, but really, that is almost immaterial anyway.

We'll see more violence in the future I think, because it is very hard to tell people something they can *see* is happening, is not actually happening.

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Re: Great Replacement Conspiracy Theory?
By: Boraxman to All on Fri May 20 2022 08:30 pm

I've heard a lot from the US media about this "Great Replacement Conspiracy Theory", but I'm unsure what exactly the "Conspiracy" part is.

Aside from local news and some articles I read online, I haven't paid a whole lot of attention to US media. Your post is the first I've heard about this great replacement conspiracy theory (and I live in the US).

It's sad to see that this is a thing. :(

I thought it was common knowledge that the West is becoming more diverse, and people have openly stated, UNOPPOSED, that in the future we'll all be mixed.

I had always thought this as well. And the US is supposed to be a melting pot. The poem on the Sttaue of Liberty says "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses...."

The odd thing is, I've noticed many people tend to spend time with people of their own ethnic background more often than not. One example is that I see very few interracial couples.

This great replacement conspiracy theory is a bit extreme..

Nightfox

Re: Great Replacement Conspiracy Theory?
By: Boraxman to MRO on Sat May 21 2022 11:16 am

But I have seen exactly what you said, many, many, many times over my years. People openly saying white people need to go, that it would be great when white people are gone. Just two weeks ago was the last time. Even Joe Biden himself said that Whites would be a minority in the US, and that is a good thing.

joe biden said that because that's what his people want him to say. he wouldnt be caught dead around a person of color. his bloodline is lilly white and will stay that way..

We'll see more violence in the future I think, because it is very hard to tell people something they can *see* is happening, is not actually happening.

the media is doing a great job telling people what to think. when they see something they tell them 'no, you didn't see that'. let politifact tell you how it's out of context.
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Re: Great Replacement Conspiracy Theory?
By: Nightfox to Boraxman on Sat May 21 2022 10:56 am

Aside from local news and some articles I read online, I haven't paid a whole lot of attention to US media. Your post is the first I've heard about this great replacement conspiracy theory (and I live in the US).

you have not paid attention to the us media. that's why.

I had always thought this as well. And the US is supposed to be a melting pot. The poem on the Sttaue of Liberty says "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses...."

my family are immigrants. you aren't supposed to TAKE over with your culture. people had to change their last names and adopt different ways. that was always the way.

The odd thing is, I've noticed many people tend to spend time with people of their own ethnic background more often than not. One example is that I see very few interracial couples.

hispanics do this. they rarely learn english. they drive without drivers licenses. they work for cash sometimes. they don't pay taxes sometimes. they party with eachother. they created their own little world in america where they live.
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Re: Great Replacement Conspiracy Theory?
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sat May 21 2022 01:40 pm

Aside from local news and some articles I read online, I haven't paid
a whole lot of attention to US media. Your post is the first I've
heard about this great replacement conspiracy theory (and I live in
the US).

you have not paid attention to the us media. that's why.

That's what I said in my first sentence.

Nightfox

How is something, which is easily observed, now a "conspiracy theory"? If the
argument is that this result isn't due to a conspiracy, then how is it that agreement on this outcome doesn't qualify?

I think that Arelor hit the nail on the head.

What I will say about it is that there are many here in the US who will
claim it is a conspiracy theory in the sense that some believe the
government, or others, are doing things to cause it or to help speed it
along. They will claim it is a conspiracy theory because they believe that government/organizational/inorganic involvement is false.

Thing is, it is not 100% false. I cannot say for certain that the
government is doing so because I do not have any knowledge of that. But I
do know someone who works for a religious charity who, at least before
COVID, was indeed involved in actively traveling to Central American
countries (that are supposedly super dangerous but, if they were, I don't honestly think they'd go) to assist/encourage persons with aspirations of entering the United States to do so by coaching them on what to say and do
to get here, and then waiting at the boarder for persons they've coached to arrive.

The charity is doing so, I believe, in order to help encourage more people
to join their church in the US. As these are mostly Catholic-dominated countries the people are coming from, I am not sure how that works since
that is not the religion of the charity. I assume they are hoping that
these people will convert.

The person who is working for the charity may be doing so for religious reasons, but I can also 100% guarantee that this person would not be doing
so if they believed there was any chance at all that the people who are
coming would, if they ever become citizens, be prone to vote for
Republicans as that would 100% go against their own political convictions.

So, there are oganizations that are indeed actively bringing persons into
the country in hopes that they will replace other religions, and there are
at least some persons who are working with them in hopes that the persons
will replace other political beliefs.

So, although some of what the people who believe replacement theory is an active thing might believe may be 100% untrue, the theory itself is not 100%
a conspiracy no matter who claims it is.


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Re: Great Replacement Conspir
By: Boraxman to MRO on Sat May 21 2022 11:16 am

Re: Great Replacement Conspiracy Theory?
By: MRO to Boraxman on Fri May 20 2022 05:25 pm

Re: Great Replacement Conspiracy Theory?
By: Boraxman to All on Fri May 20 2022 08:30 pm

How is something, which is easily observed, now a "conspiracy theory"? the argument is that this result isn't due to a conspiracy, then how i that agreement on this outcome doesn't qualify?

people literally say white people need to go. white people are evil.
and then they say jews are not white people.

when white people complain about this, it's called a conspiracy theory.

It seems that by adding the "Jews" to it, the media is able to take somethin that is happening and turn it into a conspiracy. It's a clever trick.

You can take anything that is actually happening, tack on the end of it "som people believe this is deliberate done by *insert scapegoat group*" and make people think the entire thing is bunk.

But I have seen exactly what you said, many, many, many times over my years. People openly saying white people need to go, that it would be great when wh people are gone. Just two weeks ago was the last time. Even Joe Biden hims said that Whites would be a minority in the US, and that is a good thing.

I've been all through Western Europe. I've been to London, Paris, Brussels, Marseilled, and observation doesn't lie. I was at a carnvial in Brussels an swear my wife and I were almost the only Europeans there.

From my understanding, is people have seen this, noted the immigration polic which have caused it, noted that anyone who suggests this is not a desirable outcast is called a racist, noted that there is considered to be unacceptabl to prevent this change, and concluded there is a replacement going on.

I can't really find fault with this reasoning. I *can* find fault with the idea that it is specifically promoted by a very specific cabal, but really, that is almost immaterial anyway.

We'll see more violence in the future I think, because it is very hard to te people something they can *see* is happening, is not actually happening.

Interesting points. I've been wondering if there is anyone profititing off
of social justice and the concepts of white guilt/ white shaming. My
mother's family came over from what is now Poland during the Russian
Revolution in 1917. My father's relatives came over from Ireland and the Ukraine well after slavery was abolished. I cannot see how anyone can try to guilt me for the actions my families had nothing to do with. I was born in 1969. I cannot be declared guilty of rascism or bigotry that occurred before
I was born. I can agree it wasn't fair. That is all.

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Re: Great Replacement Conspir
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sat May 21 2022 01:40 pm

Re: Great Replacement Conspiracy Theory?
By: Nightfox to Boraxman on Sat May 21 2022 10:56 am

Aside from local news and some articles I read online, I haven't paid a whole lot of attention to US media. Your post is the first I've heard ab this great replacement conspiracy theory (and I live in the US).

you have not paid attention to the us media. that's why.

I had always thought this as well. And the US is supposed to be a meltin pot. The poem on the Sttaue of Liberty says "Give me your tired, your poo your huddled masses...."

my family are immigrants. you aren't supposed to TAKE over with your cultur people had to change their last names and adopt different ways. that was al

The odd thing is, I've noticed many people tend to spend time with people their own ethnic background more often than not. One example is that I s very few interracial couples.

hispanics do this. they rarely learn english. they drive without drivers li

Reminds me of hearing every couple of years about folks in Dearborn, MI
trying to establish Sharia law within certain neighborhoods. People migrated over here to avoid that stuff, and now th egeneration that didn't grow up
under it thinks it is a good thing. It doesn't bring the law. It does legitimize some levels of state sanctioned violence and criminal behavior.
By state I mean the religious state.

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From my understanding, is people have seen this, noted the immigration policie
which have caused it, noted that anyone who suggests this is not a desirable outcast is called a racist, noted that there is considered to be unacceptable to prevent this change, and concluded there is a replacement going on.

You don't really even have to note that it is an undesirable situation.
Just noting that certain immigration policies have caused/contributed to it, unless you are celebrating it, is often enough to get you labeled.


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The odd thing is, I've noticed many people tend to spend time with people of t
ir own ethnic background more often than not. One example is that I see very w interracial couples.

Where do you live? I have noticed that such couples are more common with younger people.


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the media is doing a great job telling people what to think. when they see som
hing they tell them 'no, you didn't see that'. let politifact tell you how it
out of context.

Like talking about the "mostly peaceful protests" while standing in front
of a property that is on fire, or while standing near a mob that is
trending towards the unruly side.


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I cannot be declared guilty of rascism or bigotry that occurred before
I was born. I can agree it wasn't fair. That is all.

+1


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Re: Great Replacement Conspiracy Theory?
By: Boraxman to All on Fri
May 20 2022 08:30 pm

I've heard a lot from the US media about this "Great Replacement Conspiracy Theory", but I'm unsure what exactly the "Conspiracy" part is.

Aside from local news and some articles I read online, I haven't paid a whole lot of attention to US media. Your post is the first I've heard about this great replacement conspiracy theory (and I live in the US).

It's sad to see that this is a thing. :(

I thought it was common knowledge that the West is becoming more diverse, and people have openly stated, UNOPPOSED, that in the future we'll all be mixed.

I had always thought this as well. And the US is supposed to be a
melting pot. The poem on the Sttaue of Liberty says "Give me your
tired, your poor, your huddled masses...."

The odd thing is, I've noticed many people tend to spend time with
people of their own ethnic background more often than not. One example
is that I see very few interracial couples.

This great replacement conspiracy theory is a bit extreme..

Nightfox

I have heard of it before, it was a term used in France by populist and identitarian groups.

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MRO wrote to Boraxman <=-

But I have seen exactly what you said, many, many, many times over my years. People openly saying white people need to go, that it would be great when white people are gone. Just two weeks ago was the last time. Even Joe Biden himself said that Whites would be a minority in the US, and that is a good thing.

joe biden said that because that's what his people want him to say. he wouldnt be caught dead around a person of color. his bloodline is lilly white and will stay that way..

Or it could be that Biden doesn't really care about America or Americans, as long as he and his circle is OK.

We'll see more violence in the future I think, because it is very hard to tell people something they can *see* is happening, is not actually happening.

the media is doing a great job telling people what to think. when they
see something they tell them 'no, you didn't see that'. let politifact tell you how it's out of context. ---

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How is something, which is easily observed, now a "conspiracy theory"? If

the

argument is that this result isn't due to a conspiracy, then how is it that agreement on this outcome doesn't qualify?

I think that Arelor hit the nail on the head.

What I will say about it is that there are many here in the US who will claim it is a conspiracy theory in the sense that some believe the government, or others, are doing things to cause it or to help speed it along. They will claim it is a conspiracy theory because they believe that government/organizational/inorganic involvement is false.

Thing is, it is not 100% false. I cannot say for certain that the government is doing so because I do not have any knowledge of that.
But I do know someone who works for a religious charity who, at least before COVID, was indeed involved in actively traveling to Central American countries (that are supposedly super dangerous but, if they
were, I don't honestly think they'd go) to assist/encourage persons
with aspirations of entering the United States to do so by coaching
them on what to say and do to get here, and then waiting at the boarder for persons they've coached to arrive.

The charity is doing so, I believe, in order to help encourage more
people to join their church in the US. As these are mostly Catholic-dominated countries the people are coming from, I am not sure
how that works since that is not the religion of the charity. I assume they are hoping that these people will convert.

The person who is working for the charity may be doing so for religious reasons, but I can also 100% guarantee that this person would not be
doing so if they believed there was any chance at all that the people
who are coming would, if they ever become citizens, be prone to vote
for Republicans as that would 100% go against their own political convictions.

So, there are oganizations that are indeed actively bringing persons
into the country in hopes that they will replace other religions, and there are at least some persons who are working with them in hopes that the persons will replace other political beliefs.

So, although some of what the people who believe replacement theory is
an active thing might believe may be 100% untrue, the theory itself is
not 100% a conspiracy no matter who claims it is.

I don't think it is untrue. It has been stated publically, multiple times that we are a melting pot and where this leads, and it is simultaneusly considered unacceptable to advocate or in anyway act in a way which might prevent this. (for example, asking to limit immigration in order not to be replaced).

This is from my understanding the origin of this idea, that there is an overly zealous immigration policy which would result in effective replacement over the decades in the Western countries that it is occuring for which it is considered inappropriate to oppose, and that all Western nations are expected to be on board with.

I would think that as time goes on, people are going to interpret this as an existential threat, and see more extreme measures to stop it as justified.

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Re: Great Replacement Conspir
By: Boraxman to MRO on Sat
May 21 2022 11:16 am

Re: Great Replacement Conspiracy Theory?
By: MRO to Boraxman on Fri May 20 2022 05:25 pm

Re: Great Replacement Conspiracy Theory?
By: Boraxman to All on Fri May 20 2022 08:30 pm

How is something, which is easily observed, now a "conspiracy theory"? the argument is that this result isn't due to a conspiracy, then how i that agreement on this outcome doesn't qualify?

people literally say white people need to go. white people are evil.
and then they say jews are not white people.

when white people complain about this, it's called a conspiracy theory.

It seems that by adding the "Jews" to it, the media is able to take somethin that is happening and turn it into a conspiracy. It's a clever trick.

You can take anything that is actually happening, tack on the end of it "som people believe this is deliberate done by *insert scapegoat group*" and make people think the entire thing is bunk.

But I have seen exactly what you said, many, many, many times over my years. People openly saying white people need to go, that it would be great when wh people are gone. Just two weeks ago was the last time. Even Joe Biden hims said that Whites would be a minority in the US, and that is a good thing.

I've been all through Western Europe. I've been to London, Paris, Brussels, Marseilled, and observation doesn't lie. I was at a carnvial in Brussels an swear my wife and I were almost the only Europeans there.

From my understanding, is people have seen this, noted the immigration polic which have caused it, noted that anyone who suggests this is not a desirable outcast is called a racist, noted that there is considered to be unacceptabl to prevent this change, and concluded there is a replacement going on.

I can't really find fault with this reasoning. I *can* find fault with the idea that it is specifically promoted by a very specific cabal, but really, that is almost immaterial anyway.

We'll see more violence in the future I think, because it is very hard to te people something they can *see* is happening, is not actually happening.

Interesting points. I've been wondering if there is anyone profititing off of social justice and the concepts of white guilt/ white shaming.
My mother's family came over from what is now Poland during the Russian Revolution in 1917. My father's relatives came over from Ireland and
the Ukraine well after slavery was abolished. I cannot see how anyone
can try to guilt me for the actions my families had nothing to do with.
I was born in 1969. I cannot be declared guilty of rascism or bigotry that occurred before I was born. I can agree it wasn't fair. That is all.

My grandparents are from Southern Europe, yet increasingly I'm being considered as part of the evil colonisers. Why? Because I'm considered to be European, and therefore part of the problem.

I've wondered two what the benefit is, why there is such a push for social justice and white guilt. It does benefit some who stand to earn a lot of money as Diversity consultants, and to get paid to speak about racism, but that can't by why this idea started.

But why Western nations decided that the melting pot is the model, and to decide this with such certainty, to the point where anyone questioning was not just of a different opinion, but morally wrong, that is strange. It seems one of those beliefs which everyone is adamant about, but just doesn't seem to have a reasoning which justifies the adamant attitude.

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Re: Great Replacement Conspir
By: Moondog to MRO on Sat May 21 2022 10:52 pm

Reminds me of hearing every couple of years about folks in Dearborn, MI trying to establish Sharia law within certain neighborhoods. People migrated over here to avoid that stuff, and now th egeneration that didn't grow up
under it thinks it is a good thing. It doesn't bring the law. It does legitimize some levels of state sanctioned violence and criminal behavior. By state I mean the religious state.

the woman i live with is arab and when we go to her home town in illinois it's like going into another dimension. all of a sudden all the stores, the people in the cars and how everything looks is 100% arab.

that's not what america was about.
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Re: Great Replacement Conspir
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sun May 22 2022 10:40 am

the media is doing a great job telling people what to think. when they see som
hing they tell them 'no, you didn't see that'. let politifact tell you how it
out of context.

Like talking about the "mostly peaceful protests" while standing in front
of a property that is on fire, or while standing near a mob that is
trending towards the unruly side.

they tried that shit in my town. they were trying to burn down the walgreen stores. i drove by a car that had flames that were like 15 feet in the air.
they were blocking people from going to work, attacking people and burning down houses with elderly people and children in them.

The news was saying the mostly peaceful protest BS and calling everyone protesters even if they tried to murder someone.

then they tried to say the day protesters weren't the same as the night ones. my ass they werent.
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Re: Great Replacement Conspir
By: Moondog to Boraxman on Sat May 21 2022 10:45 pm

Interesting points. I've been wondering if there is anyone profititing off of social justice and the concepts of white guilt/ white shaming. My

You bet.

The Ministry of Equalty in Spain is burning through more money than the Welfare one, while the Socialized Welfare system is clearly overloaded beyond its capabilities.

However, the Welfare Ministry produces tanglible results (ie. you see Hospitals with Doctors and Nurses working in them). Meanwhile the Equalty Ministry produces a couple of parades per year?

My hipothesis is they are getting a whole load of budgetary money with the excuse of running diversity programs and then just pocketing the money. THere is the profit you are wondering about.

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Re: Great Replacement Conspir
By: Dumas Walker to BORAXMAN on Sun May 22 2022 10:37 am

From my understanding, is people have seen this, noted the immigration policie
which have caused it, noted that anyone who suggests this is not a desirab outcast is called a racist, noted that there is considered to be unaccepta to prevent this change, and concluded there is a replacement going on.

You don't really even have to note that it is an undesirable situation.
Just noting that certain immigration policies have caused/contributed to it, unless you are celebrating it, is often enough to get you labeled.

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It HAS to be policy. For centuries, literally centuries these European cities were comprised of people descended from that region, with some cross movement between nearby areas, and then *BAM*, centuries of demographic history is upturned, in historical terms suddenly and clearly with foreknowledge. There is no precendent except for times of actual genocide and ethnic cleansing.

Only deliberate genocide and acts of ethnic cleansing have in the past produced these results.

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Re: Great Replacement Conspir
By: Boraxman to Moondog on Sun May 22 2022 10:28 pm

Interesting points. I've been wondering if there is anyone profititing off of social justice and the concepts of white guilt/ white shaming. My mother's family came over from what is now Poland during the Russian Revolution in 1917. My father's relatives came over from Ireland and the Ukraine well after slavery was abolished. I cannot see how anyone can try to guilt me for the actions my families had nothing to do with.
I was born in 1969. I cannot be declared guilty of rascism or bigotry that occurred before I was born. I can agree it wasn't fair. That is all.

My grandparents are from Southern Europe, yet increasingly I'm being conside as part of the evil colonisers. Why? Because I'm considered to be European and therefore part of the problem.

I've wondered two what the benefit is, why there is such a push for social justice and white guilt. It does benefit some who stand to earn a lot of mo as Diversity consultants, and to get paid to speak about racism, but that ca by why this idea started.

But why Western nations decided that the melting pot is the model, and to decide this with such certainty, to the point where anyone questioning was n just of a different opinion, but morally wrong, that is strange. It seems o of those beliefs which everyone is adamant about, but just doesn't seem to h a reasoning which justifies the adamant attitude.

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John F Kennedy had a saying, "rising tides raise all yachts." This concept
is about anything that benefits one group can benefit others. Unfortunately
it seems like human nature in order to help one group, you must oppress or
hold back another. A good example is hiring quotas back in the 60's and
70's and lowered entrance exam scores for minorities. Instead of openeing doors and letting culture to move at it's own speed, someone was denied a job because of their status regardless. Diversity training is supposed to open people's eyes to recognize there is no single race or gender that corners the market on any skill, however on the management side the message coming from
HR is hire the most diverse person even if they aren't the best qualified. Imagine if a basketball team was required to adhere to these rules? How many teams have a quadraplegic dwarf that identifies as a vampire on their
starting lineup? I have nothing against quadaplegic dwarf vampires, mind
you. People do not watch sports because of reasons other than athletic abilit y. Black players moved from the negro leagues to the major leagues because they can throw, hit and field a baseball. Some people thrw a fit at first, the en got over it.

It is sad when one thing is said on stage, when it is done differeently
behind the scenes. It's like a salesperson selling a product they have no faith in, yet are told to sell it or else lose their job.

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Re: Great Replacement Conspir
By: Arelor to Moondog on Sun May 22 2022 06:07 pm

Re: Great Replacement Conspir
By: Moondog to Boraxman on Sat May 21 2022 10:45 pm

Interesting points. I've been wondering if there is anyone profititing o of social justice and the concepts of white guilt/ white shaming. My

You bet.

The Ministry of Equalty in Spain is burning through more money than the Welf one, while the Socialized Welfare system is clearly overloaded beyond its capabilities.

However, the Welfare Ministry produces tanglible results (ie. you see Hospit with Doctors and Nurses working in them). Meanwhile the Equalty Ministry produces a couple of parades per year?

My hipothesis is they are getting a whole load of budgetary money with the excuse of running diversity programs and then just pocketing the money. THer is the profit you are wondering about.

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When I used to work at a computer repair shop, we would get in this guy who started a firm that recieved state money to invest in re-training people who lost their jobs due to an injury, but were still capable of working in other fields. Instead of putting them on disability pay, this meant transitioning physical laborers into office type work that allows for lifting restrictions o r other mild disabilities. This was around 1997, and he would get $2500usd
to invest in each client he took in. Some of these clients were enrolled in classes at the junior college or another local place that dealt mainly with boot camps to acquire certifactions. He'd come in and buy our lower spec computers as a means to get the client online to take computer based training courses and get used to office apps and CAD/ CAM apps.

It all sounded pretty noble, but when no one else was around, the way he
talked it sounded more like a con job. They would give out funding, and my gu ess is he figured out a way to stay compliant while pocketing any money not spent. I got the impression that job placement was a guarantee. It was more about moving people through the system. Some of these people moved on into jobs at places trying to place displaced workers, while others had other strikes against them regarding personality, learning ability, or attitude.
For example, when I moved on to IT contracting, I was on a multi-site desktop standardization project, and we would occasionally lose people due to poor performance or ill fit for the job. One of the new guys brought in we recognized as one of the rehab clients. He was in his early 20's,
originally came from construction field until he fell off a roof. He could work within our lifting requirements and was computer literate to a point.
We were not only pulling out old desktops and installing new ones. We would have to migrate their documents folders, mail settings, and .ini files and oth er configuration files dependent on software they had, and reinstall non-standard apps. Anyways, the guy supposedly knew this stuff, and even afte r walking through the process several times with him, he needed extra hand holding and would leave out steps in the checklist we had designed to make
sure or processes were consistent. While it wasn't intentional, he came off
as being disrespectful to the other techs, implying we get paid for doing nothing. He lasted 3 days and was told not to show up the next day at end of shift. It made me wonder how many other clients weren't successful in the re-training process? Some may have had head injuries which should have have put them on disability.

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MRO wrote to Moondog <=-

the woman i live with is arab and when we go to her home town in
illinois it's like going into another dimension. all of a sudden all
the stores, the people in the cars and how everything looks is 100%
arab.

If you were to check the people there, most are probably not born in the U.S. or are first generation.

Over time (sometimes generations), this type of thing fades.

In the large city near me, there are areas that are heavily korean, for example. They have stored that cater to korean food and have people who offer services that speak korean.

The next generation, though, will speak english fluently and won't need those services. Ethnic food that is popular will start being sold in the "normal" grocery stores, and the specity food stores will not be needed.

It may take a generation or 2, but those highly ethnic concentrated areas will simply fade away.


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Moondog wrote to Boraxman <=-

John F Kennedy had a saying, "rising tides raise all yachts." This concept is about anything that benefits one group can benefit others. Unfortunately it seems like human nature in order to help one group,
you must oppress or hold back another.

It only seems like "human nature" to the Ignorant Left who've completely failed to learn anything from history.

A good example is hiring
quotas back in the 60's and 70's and lowered entrance exam scores for minorities. Instead of openeing doors and letting culture to move at
it's own speed, someone was denied a job because of their status regardless.

I've known many business owners who had to deal with this. Hiring quotas were a completely stupid idea. If the business owner needs a person with <skill> but the the only person who has that skill has the "wrong" skin color, he not only has to hire the person with <skill> but a token person with the "right" skin color to maintain the quota. This raises his costs. He needs to cut them in some other way - so other, not as necessary, people need to go. And that's usually going to be in the low skill category.

It has nothing to do with "status".

Now I'm not saying that there isn't any descrimination out there, but business that descriminate in hiring usually don't stay in business very long.

Diversity training is supposed to open people's eyes to
recognize there is no single race or gender that corners the market on
any skill,

"Diversity training" is nothing of the sort. It's about treating people UNEQUALLY.

Remember that Leftie policies ALWAYS do the opposite of what they claim they will.

however on the management side the message coming from HR is
hire the most diverse person even if they aren't the best qualified. Imagine if a basketball team was required to adhere to these rules?

Ya, I'm still waiting for that to happen. Especially now that they have gone completely Woke. I just wonder how low their ratings can get.


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Moondog wrote to Boraxman <=-

John F Kennedy had a saying, "rising tides raise all yachts." This concept is about anything that benefits one group can benefit others. Unfortunately it seems like human nature in order to help one group,
you must oppress or hold back another.

It's not human nature, it's corruption, and manipulation of the
public to preserve power through fear-mongering.

We all benefit from an educated populace, but intelligent people are
harder to control.

We all benefit from a healthy populace, but health care is the
largest percentage of GDP - there's money to be made in sickness!

Follow the money and you'll find the root of most evil.



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Re: Great Replacement Conspir
By: Ron Lauzon to MRO on Mon May 23 2022 08:24 am

The next generation, though, will speak english fluently and won't need those services. Ethnic food that is popular will start being sold in the "normal" grocery stores, and the specity food stores will not be needed.

It may take a generation or 2, but those highly ethnic concentrated areas will simply fade away.

in the illinois city i was mentioning it has been like that and never changed. the hispanic areas in my home town are like that too.
the good thing is the kids learn english, but that's it.
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Re: Great Replacement Conspir
By: Ron Lauzon to MRO on Mon May 23 2022 08:24 am

MRO wrote to Moondog <=-

the woman i live with is arab and when we go to her home town in illinois it's like going into another dimension. all of a sudden all the stores, the people in the cars and how everything looks is 100% arab.

If you were to check the people there, most are probably not born in the U.S or are first generation.

Over time (sometimes generations), this type of thing fades.

In the large city near me, there are areas that are heavily korean, for example. They have stored that cater to korean food and have people who off services that speak korean.

The next generation, though, will speak english fluently and won't need thos services. Ethnic food that is popular will start being sold in the "normal" grocery stores, and the specity food stores will not be needed.

It may take a generation or 2, but those highly ethnic concentrated areas wi simply fade away.

... My other computer is a TRS-80 Model 4P

I think that may be true for some ethnic groups but not for others.

Certain cultures actively discourage their members from getting away from the mothership. I have a gypsy customer who wanted to open a store in a non gypsy area and his clan fell on him like a ton of bricks for daring thinking of that. He was eventually offered in an arranged marriage to set an alliance with another clan.

Halal and Kosher are ideas which seem to me engineered so members of their asociated cultures don t buy food from outsiders to that culture.

Most Eastern Europeans seem to mix well with natives. I have an Ukranian customer (actually, she is from the Donbas area and considers herself to be Russian) who has adapted perfectly, as well as some Romanian teachers of mine and some Hungarian workers I know. Muslim immigrants, on the other hand, tend to stay more tightly within their cultural pockets and seem to despise the Western culture as weak. My experience is that even 2nd or further generations tend not to take Western culture very seriously (and if political discussion regarding some conflic comes up, they always side with muslim-like countries).

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Re: Re: Great Replacement Conspir
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Mon May 23 2022 06:35 am

We all benefit from a healthy populace, but health care is the
largest percentage of GDP - there's money to be made in sickness!

I take issue with the implied idea that health services underperform on purpose in order to make more money.

Newsflash: the largest customers of hospitalary corporations are insurance companies.

Insurance companies bleed a lot of money if people gets sick.

Doctors get kicked out of teams if they don t get results. Insurance companies press a lot in order to get cases _solved_ instead of having people sent to the hospital twenty times for no actual solution.

Insurance institutions have many faults, but the incentive is not to keep buying treatments for a single patient time and again and again and again.

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Re: Great Replacement Conspir
By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Sun May 22 2022 10:44 am

The odd thing is, I've noticed many people tend to spend time with
people of their own ethnic background more often than not. One example
is that I see very few interracial couples.

Where do you live? I have noticed that such couples are more common with younger people.

I live in the US (specifically, Oregon). I suppose I don't often interact with a lot of younger people, so that may be true (I actually hope it is true).

Nightfox

I don't think it is untrue. It has been stated publically, multiple times tha
we are a melting pot and where this leads, and it is simultaneusly considered unacceptable to advocate or in anyway act in a way which might prevent this. (for example, asking to limit immigration in order not to be replaced).

That part is certainly not untrue.

This is from my understanding the origin of this idea, that there is an overly
zealous immigration policy which would result in effective replacement over th
decades in the Western countries that it is occuring for which it is considere
inappropriate to oppose, and that all Western nations are expected to be on board with.

This part is the part that (usually, in the US, left-leaning) people claim
is untrue... that there is any government policies that are causing or excellerating the effective replacement. I am not certain that it is
untrue, either, but that is definately something where pointing out the possibility that it is true will certainly get you labeled as imappropriate.

I would think that as time goes on, people are going to interpret this as an existential threat, and see more extreme measures to stop it as justified.

I think that has started happening some already.


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then they tried to say the day protesters weren't the same as the night ones. y ass they werent.

In the largest city in Kentucky, where they had plenty of night problems,
the daytime protesters did not seem to be the same usually. At least, they
did not *act* the same. The ones that came out at night were the violent
ones. The ones during the day, where there were much fewer of them
(protesters and protests) were usually more peaceful. Except, of course,
the ones that were attempting carjackings in broad daylight on a busy
street downtown.

They may have been the same people.

Where they violent during the day where you live, or are you simply
convinced that the peaceful day people were the same people causing trouble
at night?


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It HAS to be policy. For centuries, literally centuries these European cities
were comprised of people descended from that region, with some cross movement between nearby areas, and then *BAM*, centuries of demographic history is upturned, in historical terms suddenly and clearly with foreknowledge. There is no precendent except for times of actual genocide and ethnic cleansing.

Only deliberate genocide and acts of ethnic cleansing have in the past produce
these results.

Yes, this is true.

A few years ago, when there was a huge migration from Africa and the Middle East, some of the "newer" western countries (those formerly a part of the
Iron Curtain) were upset with the EU because it was EU policy that their countries must take in their fair percentage of migrants. IIRC, Hungary
was one of the countries that was not happy with this.

In the US, it seemed to be known that it was a policy, and it was
inappropriate to insinuate that a country should have rights to determine whether or not they conform to such policies.

Similarly, the US over the years has changed how they handle immigration, softening the way that people of certain national origins can get in (cross
the southern border, shout "asylum!") while keeping it difficult for
persons from other nations.


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Re: Great Replacement Conspir
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Mon May 23 2022 04:38 pm

then they tried to say the day protesters weren't the same as the night ones. y ass they werent.

In the largest city in Kentucky, where they had plenty of night problems, the daytime protesters did not seem to be the same usually. At least, they did not *act* the same. The ones that came out at night were the violent ones. The ones during the day, where there were much fewer of them (protesters and protests) were usually more peaceful. Except, of course, the ones that were attempting carjackings in broad daylight on a busy
street downtown.

it's easier to get away with shit during the night.

Where they violent during the day where you live, or are you simply convinced that the peaceful day people were the same people causing trouble at night?

some were violent during the day. in my home down there were bricks dropped off for people to use during the daytime protests but nobody bit.

people are more likely to do something in the dark. they had people on video at protests who were later rioting. they had some people that burnt down a community firehouse who were at both.

i knew of people who went to the day protests and then went to the night riots. people with green and purple hair.

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Re: Great Replacement Conspir
By: Arelor to Ron Lauzon on Mon May 23 2022 02:05 pm

Re: Great Replacement Conspir
By: Ron Lauzon to MRO on Mon May 23 2022 08:24 am

MRO wrote to Moondog <=-

the woman i live with is arab and when we go to her home town in illinois it's like going into another dimension. all of a sudden all the stores, the people in the cars and how everything looks is 100% arab.

If you were to check the people there, most are probably not born in the or are first generation.

Over time (sometimes generations), this type of thing fades.

In the large city near me, there are areas that are heavily korean, for example. They have stored that cater to korean food and have people who services that speak korean.

The next generation, though, will speak english fluently and won't need t services. Ethnic food that is popular will start being sold in the "norm grocery stores, and the specity food stores will not be needed.

It may take a generation or 2, but those highly ethnic concentrated areas simply fade away.

... My other computer is a TRS-80 Model 4P

I think that may be true for some ethnic groups but not for others.

Certain cultures actively discourage their members from getting away from th mothership. I have a gypsy customer who wanted to open a store in a non gyps area and his clan fell on him like a ton of bricks for daring thinking of th He was eventually offered in an arranged marriage to set an alliance with another clan.

Halal and Kosher are ideas which seem to me engineered so members of their asociated cultures don t buy food from outsiders to that culture.

Most Eastern Europeans seem to mix well with natives. I have an Ukranian customer (actually, she is from the Donbas area and considers herself to be Russian) who has adapted perfectly, as well as some Romanian teachers of min and some Hungarian workers I know. Muslim immigrants, on the other hand, ten to stay more tightly within their cultural pockets and seem to despise the Western culture as weak. My experience is that even 2nd or further generatio tend not to take Western culture very seriously (and if political discussion regarding some conflic comes up, they always side with muslim-like countries

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I've noticed when new Indian employees start, their first question is where
do all the other Indian people live in the area? I attribute this to them being homesick, or they're more comfortable with people who share history or culture.

If I was in the same boat, I would probably hang with people of common faith,share a language as well if I went overseas.

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Moondog wrote to Boraxman <=-

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Re: Great Replacement Conspir
By: Boraxman to Moondog on
Sun May 22 2022 10:28 pm

My grandparents are from Southern Europe, yet increasingly I'm being conside as part of the evil colonisers. Why? Because I'm considered to be European and therefore part of the problem.

I've wondered two what the benefit is, why there is such a push for social justice and white guilt. It does benefit some who stand to earn a lot of mo as Diversity consultants, and to get paid to speak about racism, but that ca by why this idea started.

But why Western nations decided that the melting pot is the model, and to decide this with such certainty, to the point where anyone questioning was n just of a different opinion, but morally wrong, that is strange. It seems o of those beliefs which everyone is adamant about, but just doesn't seem to h a reasoning which justifies the adamant attitude.

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John F Kennedy had a saying, "rising tides raise all yachts." This concept is about anything that benefits one group can benefit others. Unfortunately it seems like human nature in order to help one group,
you must oppress or hold back another. A good example is hiring
quotas back in the 60's and 70's and lowered entrance exam scores for minorities. Instead of openeing doors and letting culture to move at
it's own speed, someone was denied a job because of their status regardless. Diversity training is supposed to open people's eyes to recognize there is no single race or gender that corners the market on
any skill, however on the management side the message coming from HR is hire the most diverse person even if they aren't the best qualified. Imagine if a basketball team was required to adhere to these rules?
How many teams have a quadraplegic dwarf that identifies as a vampire
on their starting lineup? I have nothing against quadaplegic dwarf vampires, mind you. People do not watch sports because of reasons
other than athletic abilit y. Black players moved from the negro
leagues to the major leagues because they can throw, hit and field a baseball. Some people thrw a fit at first, the en got over it.

It is sad when one thing is said on stage, when it is done differeently behind the scenes. It's like a salesperson selling a product they have
no faith in, yet are told to sell it or else lose their job.

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I don't think it is about oppression, or the need to put others down. This idea was never thought out in the first place and was a bad idea from the start.

Quotas MUST discriminate. Pushing for diversity MUST discriminate racially. There is no other way around it, never was. The problem is that you couldn't criticise these measures, so no one thought about the ramifications because thinking about the implications of this was forbidden.

Just the idea that someone is more 'diverse' than another is beyond silly. This is LITERALLY Racism, scoring people based on their race. All around companies are doing this for diversity metrics, ranking people on race just like the Third Reich was doing. Let me repeat, it is common practice in the West to literally rate the value of people based on their race, and this is done by people who say they are socially progressive.

I learned over 20 years ago that this is was identity politics, and just a ploy to attack or diminish one group over an other.


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Dumas Walker wrote to BORAXMAN <=-

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I don't think it is untrue. It has been stated publically, multiple times

tha

we are a melting pot and where this leads, and it is simultaneusly

considered

unacceptable to advocate or in anyway act in a way which might prevent this. (for example, asking to limit immigration in order not to be replaced).

That part is certainly not untrue.

This is from my understanding the origin of this idea, that there is an

overly

zealous immigration policy which would result in effective replacement over

th

decades in the Western countries that it is occuring for which it is

considere

inappropriate to oppose, and that all Western nations are expected to be on board with.

This part is the part that (usually, in the US, left-leaning) people
claim is untrue... that there is any government policies that are
causing or excellerating the effective replacement. I am not certain
that it is untrue, either, but that is definately something where
pointing out the possibility that it is true will certainly get you labeled as imappropriate.

I would think that as time goes on, people are going to interpret this as an existential threat, and see more extreme measures to stop it as justified.

I think that has started happening some already.

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In Australia, it is easier to get a Visa (and cheaper) if you come from Asia instead of Europe. We get to choose who comes and there was a deliberate change in immigration policy in both Australia and the US. In the US it was the 1965 Immigration Act, in Australia, the removal of a similar policy a little later.

I think people knew the social change that would be brought about from changing these policies, because no politician has admitted the consequences were unforesseen, or these changes should be reversed as a result. It has always been discussed as if these changes should happen, and are part of the march of history.

There is indeed pressure on other Western countries to follow suit, so one can see how conspiratorial explanations develop. If the powers that be want to destroy belief in this Conspiracy Theory then they should explain how replacement CAN'T happen and what means they are willing to consider to stop it.


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Dumas Walker wrote to BORAXMAN <=-

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It HAS to be policy. For centuries, literally centuries these European

cities

were comprised of people descended from that region, with some cross

movement

between nearby areas, and then *BAM*, centuries of demographic history is upturned, in historical terms suddenly and clearly with foreknowledge.

There

is no precendent except for times of actual genocide and ethnic cleansing.

Only deliberate genocide and acts of ethnic cleansing have in the past

produce

these results.

Yes, this is true.

A few years ago, when there was a huge migration from Africa and the Middle East, some of the "newer" western countries (those formerly a
part of the Iron Curtain) were upset with the EU because it was EU
policy that their countries must take in their fair percentage of migrants. IIRC, Hungary was one of the countries that was not happy
with this.

In the US, it seemed to be known that it was a policy, and it was inappropriate to insinuate that a country should have rights to
determine whether or not they conform to such policies.

Similarly, the US over the years has changed how they handle
immigration, softening the way that people of certain national origins
can get in (cross the southern border, shout "asylum!") while keeping
it difficult for persons from other nations.

There quite quite definately an expectation that as member of the EU, you would be an open society. This has been stated more explicitely by US officials about Europe. Any European country wanting to avoid demographic replacement would be considered a pariah.

This probably explains in part the rise of populism and the far right, as they are the ones addressing this issue and offering solutions. It is a bit like climate change, you can't complain about people voting for more extreme parties who are promising to do something about the problem, when you yourself insist on business as usual.


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MRO wrote to Moondog <=-

the woman i live with is arab and when we go to her home town in
illinois it's like going into another dimension. all of a sudden all
the stores, the people in the cars and how everything looks is 100%
arab.

If you were to check the people there, most are probably not born in
the U.S. or are first generation.

Over time (sometimes generations), this type of thing fades.

In the large city near me, there are areas that are heavily korean, for example. They have stored that cater to korean food and have people
who offer services that speak korean.

The next generation, though, will speak english fluently and won't need those services. Ethnic food that is popular will start being sold in
the "normal" grocery stores, and the specity food stores will not be needed.

It may take a generation or 2, but those highly ethnic concentrated
areas will simply fade away.

In practice, the "ethnic" areas end up changing hands to another group. Australia has very high immigration rates, per capita, higher than the US. These concentrated areas are growing, overall. If you go to Melbourne city centre, it is very Asian in flavour with most shopfronts catering to this demographic.


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MRO wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

in the illinois city i was mentioning it has been like that and never changed.

And how long has it been since they voted for someone other than a Democrat? The Left has been creating and maintaining urban plantations for a while now.

the hispanic areas in my home town are like that too.
the good thing is the kids learn english, but that's it.

Hispanic culture is partly at fault. But for the kids to grow they need good education (which the Left and their fathers don't want) plus business opportunities - which the Left keeps down.

It's hard to be upward mobile when the Left keeps you down.


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Arelor wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

I think that may be true for some ethnic groups but not for others.

Certain cultures actively discourage their members from getting away
from the mothership.

You do have a point there.

I've seen studies about hispanic groups where boys and girls do equally well in school, but while the girls finish high school, the boys drop out.

The reason was cultural: the father didn't want their sons to be "smarter" than them.

Halal and Kosher are ideas which seem to me engineered so members of
their asociated cultures don t buy food from outsiders to that culture.

And I would agree with that.

But it also has the added result of driving people out of that culture - especially the younger ones.

I've seen areas that basically die off because all the younger people moved away and never came back.


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Re: Great Replacement Conspir
By: Ron Lauzon to MRO on Tue May 24 2022 10:12 am

the hispanic areas in my home town are like that too.
the good thing is the kids learn english, but that's it.

Hispanic culture is partly at fault. But for the kids to grow they need good education (which the Left and their fathers don't want) plus business opportunities - which the Left keeps down.

Tell me you don't personally know any Hispanic people without telling me.

MRO takes the cake on this one though. In Milwaukee, which is 20% Latino, most of the best performing schools (by graduation rate and test scores) are over 90% Latino. Supporting data can be found here:
https://dpi.wi.gov/accountability/report-cards

Who starts businesses for most of the food trucks, lots of restaurants, roofing and landscaping, etc.? Their parents.

Your mileage may very in the U.S. Southwest. But up here, the best schools and many of the businesses are started by Latinos.


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Re: Great Replacement Conspir
By: Boraxman to Moondog on Tue May 24 2022 10:31 am

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Re: Great Replacement Conspir
By: Boraxman to Moondog on
Sun May 22 2022 10:28 pm

My grandparents are from Southern Europe, yet increasingly I'm being cons as part of the evil colonisers. Why? Because I'm considered to be Europ and therefore part of the problem.

I've wondered two what the benefit is, why there is such a push for socia justice and white guilt. It does benefit some who stand to earn a lot of as Diversity consultants, and to get paid to speak about racism, but that by why this idea started.

But why Western nations decided that the melting pot is the model, and to decide this with such certainty, to the point where anyone questioning wa just of a different opinion, but morally wrong, that is strange. It seem of those beliefs which everyone is adamant about, but just doesn't seem t a reasoning which justifies the adamant attitude.

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John F Kennedy had a saying, "rising tides raise all yachts." This concept is about anything that benefits one group can benefit others. Unfortunately it seems like human nature in order to help one group, you must oppress or hold back another. A good example is hiring quotas back in the 60's and 70's and lowered entrance exam scores for minorities. Instead of openeing doors and letting culture to move at it's own speed, someone was denied a job because of their status regardless. Diversity training is supposed to open people's eyes to recognize there is no single race or gender that corners the market on any skill, however on the management side the message coming from HR is hire the most diverse person even if they aren't the best qualified. Imagine if a basketball team was required to adhere to these rules?
How many teams have a quadraplegic dwarf that identifies as a vampire on their starting lineup? I have nothing against quadaplegic dwarf vampires, mind you. People do not watch sports because of reasons other than athletic abilit y. Black players moved from the negro leagues to the major leagues because they can throw, hit and field a baseball. Some people thrw a fit at first, the en got over it.

It is sad when one thing is said on stage, when it is done differeently behind the scenes. It's like a salesperson selling a product they have no faith in, yet are told to sell it or else lose their job.

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I don't think it is about oppression, or the need to put others down. This idea was never thought out in the first place and was a bad idea from the start.

Quotas MUST discriminate. Pushing for diversity MUST discriminate racially. There is no other way around it, never was. The problem is that you couldn' criticise these measures, so no one thought about the ramifications because thinking about the implications of this was forbidden.

Just the idea that someone is more 'diverse' than another is beyond silly. This is LITERALLY Racism, scoring people based on their race. All around companies are doing this for diversity metrics, ranking people on race just like the Third Reich was doing. Let me repeat, it is common practice in the West to literally rate the value of people based on their race, and this is done by people who say they are socially progressive.

I learned over 20 years ago that this is was identity politics, and just a p to attack or diminish one group over an other.

It's ironic the people that scream rascism act in thoe most rascist ways.
Same group that complains about an oppressive government are also the type
that would institute oppressive policies which benefit themselves.

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Re: Great Replacement Conspir
By: Ron Lauzon to Arelor on Tue May 24 2022 10:17 am

Arelor wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

I think that may be true for some ethnic groups but not for others.

Certain cultures actively discourage their members from getting away from the mothership.

You do have a point there.

I've seen studies about hispanic groups where boys and girls do equally well school, but while the girls finish high school, the boys drop out.

The reason was cultural: the father didn't want their sons to be "smarter" t them.

Halal and Kosher are ideas which seem to me engineered so members of their asociated cultures don t buy food from outsiders to that culture.

And I would agree with that.

But it also has the added result of driving people out of that culture - especially the younger ones.

I've seen areas that basically die off because all the younger people moved away and never came back.

... Last night sex was so good the neighbors lit cigarettes.

Several years back Oprah Winfrey had funded a Leadership Academy / boarding school for girls from impoverished backgrounds in South Africa. When it opened, they had to overcome negative cultural behaviors their parents had practiced. Some of these behaviors involved physical and emotional abuse intended to assert authority, as if they were afraid of their daughters becoming smarter or "better" than them.

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some were violent during the day. in my home down there were bricks dropped of
for people to use during the daytime protests but nobody bit.

I got the impression they were dropped off during the day, in those places where they were dropped, for use at night, but what you say also makes
sense.

people are more likely to do something in the dark. they had people on video a
protests who were later rioting. they had some people that burnt down a commu
ty firehouse who were at both.

i knew of people who went to the day protests and then went to the night riots
people with green and purple hair.

I don't know anyone who went because we didn't have any such things going
on in my town (luckily), although there were some threats called in
regarding certain buildings that caused them to be closed for a couple of
days at a time.


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This probably explains in part the rise of populism and the far right, as they
are the ones addressing this issue and offering solutions. It is a bit like climate change, you can't complain about people voting for more extreme partie
who are promising to do something about the problem, when you yourself insist on business as usual.

Yes, and you also cannot blame people that, while believing it is an issue don't want to be forced from the current tech until the new tech is fully
ready (and affordable!), vote for a populist who promises to solve the
runaway inflation that is partially caused by the "pain we need to go
through" to transition away from fossil fuels.


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Re: Great Replacement Conspir
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Tue May 24 2022 05:15 pm

some were violent during the day. in my home down there were bricks dropped of
for people to use during the daytime protests but nobody bit.

I got the impression they were dropped off during the day, in those places where they were dropped, for use at night, but what you say also makes sense.

people are more likely to do something in the dark. they had people on video a
protests who were later rioting. they had some people that burnt down a commu
ty firehouse who were at both.

i knew of people who went to the day protests and then went to the night riots
people with green and purple hair.

I don't know anyone who went because we didn't have any such things going
on in my town (luckily), although there were some threats called in regarding certain buildings that caused them to be closed for a couple of days at a time.

well i'm in the area where the kyle rittenhouse shit went down.

there were outside groups driving here in unmarked fans full of 'supplies'. people all the way from seattle went there to 'feed protesters' but they had generators, illegal fireworks and filled up multiple fuel cans which was suspicious. since kenosha was burning down those fuel cans would have came in handy for 'protesters'

they wanted riots day and night.
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Arelor wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

I think that may be true for some ethnic groups but not for others.

Certain cultures actively discourage their members from getting away
from the mothership.

You do have a point there.

I've seen studies about hispanic groups where boys and girls do equally well in school, but while the girls finish high school, the boys drop
out.

The reason was cultural: the father didn't want their sons to be
"smarter" than them.

Halal and Kosher are ideas which seem to me engineered so members of
their asociated cultures don t buy food from outsiders to that culture.

And I would agree with that.

But it also has the added result of driving people out of that culture
- especially the younger ones.

I've seen areas that basically die off because all the younger people moved away and never came back.

The dietary restrictions did make sense during the Bronze Age. By trial and error, and for other reasons, certain foods were more dangerous than others, more likely to result in sickness. This lesson was uncoded as biblical laws so that it would stick.


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Re: Great Replacement Conspir
By: Ron Lauzon to MRO on
Tue May 24 2022 10:12 am

the hispanic areas in my home town are like that too.
the good thing is the kids learn english, but that's it.

Hispanic culture is partly at fault. But for the kids to grow they need good education (which the Left and their fathers don't want) plus business opportunities - which the Left keeps down.

Tell me you don't personally know any Hispanic people without telling
me.

MRO takes the cake on this one though. In Milwaukee, which is 20%
Latino, most of the best performing schools (by graduation rate and
test scores) are over 90% Latino. Supporting data can be found here: https://dpi.wi.gov/accountability/report-cards

Who starts businesses for most of the food trucks, lots of restaurants, roofing and landscaping, etc.? Their parents.

Your mileage may very in the U.S. Southwest. But up here, the best
schools and many of the businesses are started by Latinos.

That is all beside the point. Whether "group X" does better in school or not doesn't change the subject of the debate, that there is a demographic replacement going on. Whether "group X" is better or not doesn't change the moral quandry of creating and supporting policies which deal to a people being demographically replaced.


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Re: Great Replacement Conspir
By: Boraxman to Andre on Wed May 25 2022 09:17 am

That is all beside the point. Whether "group X" does better in school or not doesn't change the subject of the debate, that there is a demographic replacement going on. Whether "group X" is better or not doesn't change the moral quandry of creating and supporting policies which deal to a people being demographically replaced.

I responded to two peoples' spurious, anecdotal, and mostly racist arguments with actual data. So it is not beside the point.

You can go argue with their posts and tell them they're beside the point.


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Re: Great Replacement Conspir
By: Boraxman to Moondog on
Tue May 24 2022 10:31 am

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Re: Great Replacement Conspir
By: Boraxman to Moondog on
Sun May 22 2022 10:28 pm

My grandparents are from Southern Europe, yet increasingly I'm being cons as part of the evil colonisers. Why? Because I'm considered to be Europ and therefore part of the problem.

I've wondered two what the benefit is, why there is such a push for socia justice and white guilt. It does benefit some who stand to earn a lot of as Diversity consultants, and to get paid to speak about racism, but that by why this idea started.

But why Western nations decided that the melting pot is the model, and to decide this with such certainty, to the point where anyone questioning wa just of a different opinion, but morally wrong, that is strange. It seem of those beliefs which everyone is adamant about, but just doesn't seem t a reasoning which justifies the adamant attitude.

... MultiMail, the new multi-platform, multi-format offline reader!

John F Kennedy had a saying, "rising tides raise all yachts." This concept is about anything that benefits one group can benefit others. Unfortunately it seems like human nature in order to help one group, you must oppress or hold back another. A good example is hiring quotas back in the 60's and 70's and lowered entrance exam scores for minorities. Instead of openeing doors and letting culture to move at it's own speed, someone was denied a job because of their status regardless. Diversity training is supposed to open people's eyes to recognize there is no single race or gender that corners the market on any skill, however on the management side the message coming from HR is hire the most diverse person even if they aren't the best qualified. Imagine if a basketball team was required to adhere to these rules?
How many teams have a quadraplegic dwarf that identifies as a vampire on their starting lineup? I have nothing against quadaplegic dwarf vampires, mind you. People do not watch sports because of reasons other than athletic abilit y. Black players moved from the negro leagues to the major leagues because they can throw, hit and field a baseball. Some people thrw a fit at first, the en got over it.

It is sad when one thing is said on stage, when it is done differeently behind the scenes. It's like a salesperson selling a product they have no faith in, yet are told to sell it or else lose their job.

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I don't think it is about oppression, or the need to put others down. This idea was never thought out in the first place and was a bad idea from the start.

Quotas MUST discriminate. Pushing for diversity MUST discriminate racially. There is no other way around it, never was. The problem is that you couldn' criticise these measures, so no one thought about the ramifications because thinking about the implications of this was forbidden.

Just the idea that someone is more 'diverse' than another is beyond silly. This is LITERALLY Racism, scoring people based on their race. All around companies are doing this for diversity metrics, ranking people on race just like the Third Reich was doing. Let me repeat, it is common practice in the West to literally rate the value of people based on their race, and this is done by people who say they are socially progressive.

I learned over 20 years ago that this is was identity politics, and just a p to attack or diminish one group over an other.

It's ironic the people that scream rascism act in thoe most rascist
ways. Same group that complains about an oppressive government are also the type that would institute oppressive policies which benefit themselves.

Well they say that those who point their fingers at hate are pointing three fingers back at themselves.

I don't really think it is ironic actually. Most "anti-racists" are actually quite racist, they just are racist in a different way. If you aren't a simple minded conservative who actually believes what these people say, there is no irony or contradiction. They are exactly how they act.


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This probably explains in part the rise of populism and the far right, as

they

are the ones addressing this issue and offering solutions. It is a bit like climate change, you can't complain about people voting for more extreme

partie

who are promising to do something about the problem, when you yourself

insist

on business as usual.

Yes, and you also cannot blame people that, while believing it is an
issue don't want to be forced from the current tech until the new tech
is fully ready (and affordable!), vote for a populist who promises to solve the runaway inflation that is partially caused by the "pain we
need to go through" to transition away from fossil fuels.

As I've said before, and written in published aticles, if you don't want the "populists" or "far right" to win sway over people over this issue, then address it yourself. As mainstream politicians want to ignore the issue, people will support those who at least acknowledge it.


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Re: Great Replacement Conspir
By: Boraxman to Andre on
Wed May 25 2022 09:17 am

That is all beside the point. Whether "group X" does better in school or not doesn't change the subject of the debate, that there is a demographic replacement going on. Whether "group X" is better or not doesn't change the moral quandry of creating and supporting policies which deal to a people being demographically replaced.

I responded to two peoples' spurious, anecdotal, and mostly racist arguments with actual data. So it is not beside the point.

You can go argue with their posts and tell them they're beside the
point.

The issue is whether there is a large scale demographic change in many Western cities and what the moral hazard is of supporting policies which lead to this.

And yes, I will state clearly that THEIR argument is beside the point too. But this is why conservatives/the right always lose in the end.

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Andre wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

MRO takes the cake on this one though. In Milwaukee, which is 20%
Latino, most of the best performing schools (by graduation rate and
test scores) are over 90% Latino. Supporting data can be found here: https://dpi.wi.gov/accountability/report-cards

Now that's cool.

Who starts businesses for most of the food trucks, lots of restaurants, roofing and landscaping, etc.? Their parents.

Or burial vaults. One couple I met had a very successful business doing burials. People were just dieing to get to their business (sorry, I just had to say that).

Your mileage may very in the U.S. Southwest. But up here, the best
schools and many of the businesses are started by Latinos.

Good. I'm glad that some of the studies that I saw were... less than accurate.
:)


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well i'm in the area where the kyle rittenhouse shit went down.

they wanted riots day and night.

I do not doubt that. They wanted them right up until the 2020 election was over.


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Re: Great Replacement Conspir
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Wed May 25 2022 05:31 pm

well i'm in the area where the kyle rittenhouse shit went down.

they wanted riots day and night.

I do not doubt that. They wanted them right up until the 2020 election was over.

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i'm not a big back the blue guy, but i felt sorry for those police officers. they had little or no help when all hell was breaking loose. those few citizens who picked up arms and defended their neighbors are heros.

it was bad there. you could be walking down the street and people would attack you with bricks for no reason. people were walking around firing guns into crowds.
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Re: Great Replacement Conspir
By: Andre to Ron Lauzon on Tue May 24 2022 12:05 pm

Your mileage may very in the U.S. Southwest. But up here, the best schools and many of the businesses are started by Latinos.

Latinoamericans are not an homogeneous group.

Cuban escapees carry a much different cultural luggage than Argentinians. I mention this because Spain is one of the go-to countries for Spanish speakers and we get lots of immigrants from
South America. People loves to lump them all together but the cultural differences are there.

Just pointing that out XD

(And yes, escapees from the worst cesspits of South America tend to be hard workers, and escaped their cesspits precisely because their cesspits piss on hard working people).


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Re: Great Replacement Conspir
By: Arelor to Andre on Thu May 26 2022 12:50 pm

Re: Great Replacement Conspir
By: Andre to Ron Lauzon on Tue May 24 2022 12:05 pm

Your mileage may very in the U.S. Southwest. But up here, the best school

Latinoamericans are not an homogeneous group.

Cuban escapees carry a much different cultural luggage than Argentinians. I South America. People loves to lump them all together but the cultural diffe

Just pointing that out XD

(And yes, escapees from the worst cesspits of South America tend to be hard

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On 5/24/22 10:05 AM, Andre wrote:

Your mileage may very in the U.S. Southwest. But up here, the
best schools and many of the businesses are started by Latinos.

Spent most of my life in the U.S. Southwest. Don't really have an issue
with hispanics or immigration, but would prefer it be done legally. I
also think legal immigration, and work visas should be a simpler process
for the most part.

In terms of education, I know a lot of Latinos(as), many who don't even
speak Spanish at this point (couple of generations in). My ex wife's
dad had forgotten Spanish years ago (moved here as a young boy, time in
the Marines as a Field Medic and an RN after until he died.)

It's kind of just the way of things... tbh, I'm more concerned for the homeless meth heaads in Portland and Seattle than the hispanics in the Southwest, although numbers at the border aren't sustainable or able to
be absorbed into the country.
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Re: Re: Great Replacement Con
By: Tracker1 to Andre on Fri Jun 03 2022 08:30 pm

On 5/24/22 10:05 AM, Andre wrote:

Your mileage may very in the U.S. Southwest. But up here, the
best schools and many of the businesses are started by Latinos.

Spent most of my life in the U.S. Southwest. Don't really have an issue with hispanics or immigration, but would prefer it be done legally. I
also think legal immigration, and work visas should be a simpler process
for the most part.

In terms of education, I know a lot of Latinos(as), many who don't even speak Spanish at this point (couple of generations in). My ex wife's
dad had forgotten Spanish years ago (moved here as a young boy, time in
the Marines as a Field Medic and an RN after until he died.)

It's kind of just the way of things... tbh, I'm more concerned for the homeless meth heaads in Portland and Seattle than the hispanics in the Southwest, although numbers at the border aren't sustainable or able to
be absorbed into the country.
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I am by no means any-immigration or anti-hispanic, either. In my area there are thousands of acres of grapes and fruits, and all the picking is done by migrant workers. Grapes can be trimmed on in the winters and winters have
been mild enough to keep these workers going year after year.

The problem I have with illegals is they do not pay taxes, and there's no
means of vetting them to know if they have violent or criminal backgrounds. Some are mules and carry drugs over the border, then turn themselves in for a ride home after they make their deliveries. Scrappers are bad, too. They drive around and check out farms, looking for scrap metal to turn in. Some
are honest. Others will tresapass and look through buildings and take more than
scrap metal.

Regarding political refugees, we need to fix the process if there is a legitimiate reason for people to seek asylum. Living in a shitty, backward country isn't enough.

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It's kind of just the way of things... tbh, I'm more concerned for the homeless meth heaads in Portland and Seattle than the hispanics in the Southwest, although numbers at the border aren't sustainable or able to
be absorbed into the country.

You cannot convince some people of that last bit regarding sustainability.
I would not have any problem with it at all... and probably wouldn't even
give it a thought... if I thought it was sustainable.


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The problem I have with illegals is they do not pay taxes

Here in my state, many of them do. Their employer takes it out of their paycheck... although they are often using stolen and/or deceased persons'
SSNs to do so.

Yes, I am aware that others are probably being paid cash under the table.

Regarding political refugees, we need to fix the process if there is a legitimiate reason for people to seek asylum. Living in a shitty, backward country isn't enough.

Agreed, it should not be enough. There are some in the FIDO POLITICS echo
who believe that should always be more than enough, though.

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