Re: Re: covid
By: Cyberpope to MRO on Wed Nov 03 2021 05:16 pm
We have a preponderence of medical and scientific evidence that's been evaluated
by those in charge and translated into action based on medical consensus' recommendations.
we have lies, contradictions and politics and propaganda. that has no place in a pandemic.
All you have, that I've seen is, "Is not!" against thousands of those with actual relevant degrees saying, "It is thus."
i guess you have been living under a rock the past 2 years.
Re: Re: covid
By: Cyberpope to MRO on Wed Nov 03 2021 05:15 pm
which, as I said, occurs naturally in the bodyu, & RNA strands likewise exis in our bodies, nasturally.
The naturalist argument is old already.
Cancer is a natural thing that happens naturally, but I don't know many people who wants to get it.
In the case RNA, we are talking about codified instructions for your body to produce a toxic agent which is linked to bad health effects in high doses (because it is one fo the things COVID-19 uses to kill people, actually). These instructions are as natural as a message written on the sand. The medium for the message may be natural, but the message is not. Specially since what it does is to impersonate your natural body reactions.
The bottom line is the naturalist argument sucks, but if you are going to use it, use it for things that are nanutal and not manufactured :-)
People has been throwing arguments both for and against for a good while right now. The Brittish Medical Journal recently published a paper according to which the Pfizer test results had been rigged, for example. And I happen to work with Doctors on a daily basis who are skeptic the vaccines work as well as advertised.
It is natural in that it just speeds up the natural & allows us to beat the virus without actually getting infected first. The results speak for themselves.
Currently I'm working Down Under, in Australia & New Zealand, building relationships with hospitals there. (I've already found housecall doctors in all
major cities)
It is natural in that it just speeds up the natural & allows us to beat the virus without actually getting infected first. The results speak for themselves.
Cyberpope wrote to Arelor <=-
I, too, work with doctors, all over the globe, & every one is for the vaccine. Most require one to be vaccinated before coming in for non-emergent care.
Currently I'm working Down Under, in Australia & New Zealand,
Re: Re: covid
By: Cyberpope to MRO on Thu Sep 23 2021 04:32 pm
so my coworker is double vaccinated and wears a mask.
how did he get sick from covid if he's 96% protected?
Easy, 96% is not 100%.
so he had a shot at willing the lottery but got covid instead when he was vaccinated? and a lot of other people that were vaccinated got it too?
how lucky of them!
makes sense to you, i guess.
Re: Re: covid
By: Cyberpope to MRO on Thu Sep 23 2021 04:28 pm
I'm 95% immune, which is far more than I was without it.
95% immune? how do you know that? that's what they told you?
It's standard for this type of vaccine.
95% of population 95% immune = herd immunity & 10% immunity for all, on average (cf. Polio)
OH, we've had this type of vaccine before? and it's like the polio vaccine?
yeah ok
Re: Re: covid
By: Cyberpope to Digital Man on Sun Sep 12 2021 08:58 am
So with double vax & mask, I'm 96% protected; I'll take it over any less. I'm hoping my natural built immune system will cover the last 4%. . .
so my coworker is double vaccinated and wears a mask.
how did he get sick from covid if he's 96% protected?
Cyberpope wrote to Arelor <=-
I, too, work with doctors, all over the globe, & every one is for the vaccine. Most require one to be vaccinated before coming in for non-emergent care.
Interesting. I wonder why that would be the case.
Currently I'm working Down Under, in Australia & New Zealand,
Ahhh... Now I understand. No wonder why doctors in the Dictatorship of Australia would go along with the all powerful state even though their policies go against the actual science.
Re: Re: covid
By: Cyberpope to Arelor on Fri Nov 05 2021 10:43 am
It is natural in that it just speeds up the natural & allows us to beat the virus without actually getting infected first. The results speak for themselves.
There are enough ways to defend the effectiveness of the vaccine without using a dishonest naturalist argument.
An artificial instruction carried by RNA prepared in a laboratory, which causes your organism to produce a toxic agent so your own body can develop antibodies against the toxic agent your own organism is producing is not natural and is not speeding any natural process.
The honest argument would be "This thing is more synthetic than the burgers they serve at fast food restaurants, but as long as it generates antibodies, who fucking cares?" which takes the discussion back to how effective the procedure is for generating antibodies and at which cost (which is precisely where the discussion belongs).
Re: Re: covid
By: Cyberpope to Arelor on Fri Nov 05 2021 10:46 am
Currently I'm working Down Under, in Australia & New Zealand, building relationships with hospitals there. (I've already found housecall doctors in all
major cities)
ah, that explains the ignorance.
Re: Re: covid
By: Cyberpope to Arelor on Fri Nov 05 2021 10:43 am
It is natural in that it just speeds up the natural & allows us to beat the virus without actually getting infected first. The results speak for themselves.
yeah that's like really ignorant to think that. that's impossible.
People has been throwing arguments both for and against for a good while right now. The Brittish Medical Journal recently published a paper according to which the Pfizer test results had been rigged, for example. And I happen to work with Doctors on a daily basis who are skeptic the vaccines work as well as advertised.
Re: Re: covid
By: Cyberpope to MRO on Wed Nov 03 2021 05:15 pm
which, as I said, occurs naturally in the bodyu, & RNA strands likewise exis in our bodies, nasturally.
The naturalist argument is old already.
Cancer is a natural thing that happens naturally, but I don't know many people who wants to get it.
In the case RNA, we are talking about codified instructions for your body to produce a toxic agent which is linked to bad health effects in high doses (because it is one fo the things COVID-19 uses to kill people, actually). These instructions are as natural as a message written on the sand. The medium for the message may be natural, but the message is not. Specially since what it does is to impersonate your natural body reactions.
The bottom line is the naturalist argument sucks, but if you are going to use it, use it for things that are nanutal and not manufactured :-)
Re: Re: covid
By: Cyberpope to MRO on Wed Nov 03 2021 05:16 pm
We have a preponderence of medical and scientific evidence that's been evaluated
by those in charge and translated into action based on medical consensus' recommendations.
we have lies, contradictions and politics and propaganda. that has no place in a pandemic.
All you have, that I've seen is, "Is not!" against thousands of those with actual relevant degrees saying, "It is thus."
i guess you have been living under a rock the past 2 years.
Some garlic & habanero soup clears it right up, though. . .
Colds & Flus -- just sniffles if I get anything.
you know my treatment for that symptom?
P u R P L e D R a NK ,
Re: Re: covid
By: Cyberpope to MRO on Wed Aug 25 2021 05:02 pm
but, for real, masks don't protect you from disease, they protect others when you're sick.
"Wearing a mask protects the wearer, and not just other people, from the coronavirus"
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/11/11/933903848/wear-masks-to -protect-yourself-from-the-coronavirus-not-only-others-cdc-stresses
Cyberpope wrote to MRO <=-
I can stay inside 95% of the t8ime, & there'd be 95% less chance of me being struck by a space rock big enough to kill me.
Sorry, moving off topic for a moment since thing brings up an interesting question.
No matter where you are, if a space rock were to hit you, you'd be dead. That's just physics. F=MA. Can't push on a rope. (See, I do remember some of my college physics.)
Now, the statistical question is: Would the odds of getting hit be higher if you always stayed in one place? Or if you were in more places?
To put it back on topic:
The odds of me getting sick enough from COVID to seek hospitalization is greater than the odds of me dying in a car accident on the way to my doctor's office to get the not-vaccine.
And the odds of me getting sick enough from COVID to seek hospitalization is greater than the odds of getting a horrible side-effect from the not-vaccine.
So, for me, the smart bet is to not get the vax.
Cyberpope wrote to MRO <=-
Yup, when you consider the numbers, 4% is a LOT of people!
Based on estimated US population as of yesterday (Sunday, 26-Sep-2021) 4%=13,335,795 people!
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- Mark Twain
The question no one seems to be asking is:
Why are we making 96% of the population do something for a diease that impacts only 4%?
Or for my state:
Why are we shutting the state down for a disease that, by the state's own inflated numbers, impacts only 0.7% of the population?
Instead, they quote the raw numbers to panic the sheep.
I, too, work with doctors, all over the globe, & every one is for th vaccine. Most require one to be vaccinated before coming in for non-emergent care.
Interesting. I wonder why that would be the case.
Seems obvious, no? They understand the medical science behind covid & the vaccine, & want to reduce risk to self, staff,. & other patients.
There are enough ways to defend the effectiveness of the vaccine without using a dishonest naturalist argument.
Still don't know what you mean by this term.
People has been throwing arguments both for and against for a good while right now. The Brittish Medical Journal recently published a paper accord to which the Pfizer test results had been rigged, for example. And I happ to work with Doctors on a daily basis who are skeptic the vaccines work a well as advertised.
Do you have a link to this BMJ-published paper, please?
Re: Re: covid
By: Cyberpope to MRO on Wed Nov 03 2021 05:15 pm
which, as I said, occurs naturally in the bodyu, & RNA strands likewis exis in our bodies, nasturally.
The naturalist argument is old already.
Cancer is a natural thing that happens naturally, but I don't know many people who wants to get it.
In the case RNA, we are talking about codified instructions for your body produce a toxic agent which is linked to bad health effects in high doses (because it is one fo the things COVID-19 uses to kill people, actually). These instructions are as natural as a message written on the sand. The medium for the message may be natural, but the message is not. Specially since what it does is to impersonate your natural body reactions.
The bottom line is the naturalist argument sucks, but if you are going to use it, use it for things that are nanutal and not manufactured :-)
What exactly are you calling "a naturalist argument"?
Let's take person A & person B.
Person A gets the Pfizer vaccine, & his(or her) body produces antibodies tha attack & kill the covid virus should it enter his/her body. (the instruction led to quick production of the right antibodies)
Person B takes an already-rejected vaccine conssting of a microscopic de- activated sample of the virus being injected into him/her. When covid19 ent the body, the body's defenses analyze this new virus & experiment with ways kill it (at the microscopic level; eventually, we hope, the body finds a way kill the covid virus; if not, the amnount injected is too small & inert to infect the person, but whebn an actu8al bit of virus enters, the body uses t instructions it now knows, to create antibodies.
The scientists who've been working on killing the SARS family of coronavirii since 2003, have concluded, through reproducible peer-challenged, data that RNA-based vaccine works best.
This is all we have, so I'm going with it. YMMV, & you are allowed to make y own choices.
Cyberpope wrote to MRO <=-
I can stay inside 95% of the t8ime, & there'd be 95% less chance of being struck by a space rock big enough to kill me.
Sorry, moving off topic for a moment since thing brings up an interesting question.
No matter where you are, if a space rock were to hit you, you'd be dead. That's just physics. F=MA. Can't push on a rope. (See, I do remember s of my college physics.)
Now, the statistical question is: Would the odds of getting hit be higher you always stayed in one place? Or if you were in more places?
To put it back on topic:
The odds of me getting sick enough from COVID to seek hospitalization is greater than the odds of me dying in a car accident on the way to my doctor's office to get the not-vaccine.
And the odds of me getting sick enough from COVID to seek hospitalization greater than the odds of getting a horrible side-effect from the not-vaccine.
So, for me, the smart bet is to not get the vax.
I followed the math you presented above, & it looks like the points are very much in favour of you getting the vaccine.
Yup, look at the numbers.
A) What % of non-vaccinated people get covid?
B) What % of vaccinated people do?
A should be higher than B. If not, & you have objective evidence of such, please let me know, because I'll be not happy with our science, medicine, &
I was using polio as an example of how/when vaccines work even if n ot 100% effective.
We started developing & testing an anti-covid RNA-based vaccine after the 2003 SARS epidemic. (it's a coronavirus, too; same family even; covid-19's full official name makes reference to "SARS2")
so my coworker is double vaccinated and wears a mask.
how did he get sick from covid if he's 96% protected?
His immune system wasn't up to the challenge for the remainig 4%, obviously.
Re: Re: covid
By: Cyberpope to Arelor on Fri Nov 05 2021 10:46 am
Currently I'm working Down Under, in Australia & New Zealand, building relationships with hospitals there. (I've already found housecall doctors in all
major cities)
ah, that explains the ignorance.
What ignorance, please?
I connect with dozens of different doctors daily, when I'm working, & I've not yet met even one who expresses distrust in the official info published on covif-
19.
I am talking with doctors on every continent.
i guess you have been living under a rock the past 2 years.
Nope, but my brain doesn't necessarily sort information in a specific way, unless I'm going out of my way to try.
Feel free, please, to refer to specific facts & evidence, to get me on tracjk with where you're at. . .
coronavirus"
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/11/11/933903848/wear-masks -to -protect-yourself-from-the-coronavirus-not-only-others-cdc-stresses
Fair enough; I was open to the idea that the masks provide SOME protection, even
though made with the protection of others in mind. Thanks for the link -- good stuff, with lots of cited data.
So with double vax & mask, I'm 96% protected; I'll take it over any
less. I'm hoping my natural built immune system will cover the last
4%. . .
so my coworker is double vaccinated and wears a mask.
how did he get sick from covid if he's 96% protected?
His immune system wasn't up to the challenge for the remainig 4%, obviously.
Sucks, yes, but it's all part of natural science.
I get it, you want to point fingers at a tangible target to assign blame for that which yuo don't undedstand tyhe science of.
Perfectly normal, but doesn't mean you're correct.
Objective facts determine the truth, not anger.
Pfizer came out claiming 95%.
healthline.com "Pfizer: 95 percent efficacy in preventing an infection in people with no prior infections.
Moderna: 94.1 percent effective at preventing a symptomatic infection in people who have not previously contracted a coronavirus infection.
Johnson & Johnson: 72 percent overall efficacy and 86 percent efficacy against severe illness.
AstraZeneca: 76 percent effective at reducing the risk of symptomatic disease after both doses, and 100 percent effective against severe disease. The company has also claimed an 86 percent effectiveness rate of preventing a coronavirus infection in people over age 65 years."
Pfizer came out claiming 95%.
healthline.com "Pfizer: 95 percent efficacy in preventing an infection
in people with no prior infections.
Moderna: 94.1 percent effective at preventing a symptomatic infection
in people who have not previously contracted a coronavirus infection.
Johnson & Johnson: 72 percent overall efficacy and 86 percent efficacy
against severe illness.
AstraZeneca: 76 percent effective at reducing the risk of symptomatic
disease after both doses, and 100 percent effective against severe
disease. The company has also claimed an 86 percent effectiveness rate
of preventing a coronavirus infection in people over age 65 years."
sure i believe these companies that are claiming they are so effective and they are making shitloads of money. shitloads!
Cyberpope wrote to Dr. What <=-
Seems obvious, no? They understand the medical science behind covid &
the vaccine, & want to reduce risk to self, staff,. & other patients.
Cyberpope wrote to Dr. What <=-
I followed the math you presented above, & it looks like the points are very much in favour of you getting the vaccine.
Cyberpope wrote to Dr. What <=-
I don't have that answer, sorry; I'd recommend you DEMAND a straight answer from those who represent you while spending your tax-paid money.
Cyberpope wrote to MRO <=-
Yup, look at the numbers.
A) What % of non-vaccinated people get covid?
B) What % of vaccinated people do?
A should be higher than B. If not, & you have objective evidence of
such, please let me know, because I'll be not happy with our science, medicine, & political leaders.
Cyberpope wrote to MRO <=-
I was using polio as an example of how/when vaccines work even if n ot 100% effective.
We started developing & testing an anti-covid RNA-based vaccine after
the 2003 SARS epidemic.
MRO wrote to Denn <=-
sure i believe these companies that are claiming they are so effective
and they are making shitloads of money. shitloads! ---
...95% of population 95% immune = herd immunity & 10% immunity for all, on
I was using polio as an example of how/when vaccines work even if not 100% effective.
We started developing & testing an anti-covid RNA-based vaccine after the 2003
SARS epidemic. (it's a coronavirus, too; same family even; covid-19's full official name makes reference to "SARS2")
Don't laught too hard because a lot of people takes pills with saturated fats in them because THEY ARE NATURAL \o/ \o/A complete fatty acid profile will include saturated fats. Most
A complete fatty acid profile will include saturated fats. Most
natural, to a human, sources of fats have a mix of fatty acids.
Given, at least in the US, the population is already nearly 90% for
covid antibodies, the vaccine is still under emergency use provisions (including shielding from liability) despite there being an approved vaccine, which is supposed to nullify the emergency use grant, I'm very
much against there being mandated vaccinations.
Not to mention, requiring/recommending a booster shot in under a year.
I have every reason not to trust the government or large pharma
companies. There have been well over ten thousand medications approved
and later had those approvals revoked by the FDA, they get it wrong a
*LOT*. I've had reactions to medications that have put me in the
hospital on more than one occasion. I'm *VERY* hesitant to take any new medication at all.
FTR, I'm excluded from the proposed mandate for medical exemption, and
would also be exempted as a "no contact" wfh worker. Everyone else in
my household is fully vaccinated, and if I weren't at increased risk of
the vax itself, would likely have taken it. That said, I'm very much against this "vaccine" being forced on the general population.
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I'm a big advocate for personal rights & freedoms, but I feel the government has done well & reasonably in this law. Majority rules & human lives are of
more importance than unlimited access to businesses with table service that serve alcohol.
those restaurants that closed affected people's lives. a lot of them did not come back.The same has been happening everywhere, Lockdowns are better to have than more people getting infected and dying. Businnesses I like have been hit hard and some haven't come back, but the families are still healthy which is arguably more important.
people fucking lost their jobs. do you get that?
Re: Re: covid
By: MRO to Cyberpope on Tue Nov 30 2021 19:37:42
those restaurants that closed affected people's lives. a lot of them did not come back.The same has been happening everywhere, Lockdowns are better to have than more people getting infected and dying. Businnesses I like have been hit hard and some haven't come back, but the families are still healthy which is arguably more important.
people fucking lost their jobs. do you get that?
MRO wrote to Cyberpope <=-
those restaurants that closed affected people's lives. a lot of them
did not come back.
people fucking lost their jobs. do you get that?
Ticbow wrote to MRO <=-
The same has been happening everywhere, Lockdowns are better to have
than more people getting infected and dying.
Businnesses I like have
been hit hard and some haven't come back, but the families are still healthy which is arguably more important.
that's a delusion they are feeding you. people were getting infected and people were dying.
the recovery rate is 97% to 99.75%
look at how many people die of heart disease in your area.
it's more than covid. and it doesnt end, either.
so NO, lockdowns weren't worth it. people still got covid.
even the people that want to lie can't lie about the numbers in this case.
I'm fine with negotiatonm regarding exemption standards, but I don'y see
a propblem with requiring being full vaccinated to participate in
certain group activities, especially those identified previously as potential super spreader events.
We've done this here in BC. As of Nov 1, all government employees not fully vaccinated were fired; this included, without prejudice, many medical staff.
those restaurants that closed affected people's lives. a lot of them
did not come back.
people fucking lost their jobs. do you get that?
The same has been happening everywhere, Lockdowns are better to have than more people getting infected and dying. Businnesses I like have been hit hard and some haven't come back, but the families are still healthy which is arguably more important.
I'm a big advocate for personal rights & freedoms, but I feel the government has do
well & reasonably in this law. Majority rules & human lives are of more importance
than unlimited access to businesses with table service that serve alcohol.
The facts are that COVID has a 99% recovery rate for most people. MOST people dying from COVID are the ones that are really unhealthy in the first place, or are elderly.
I think a lot of folks in this scene are scared of covid because they're older and fall into one of the "scary" risk categories. People who are afraid don't think clearly.
Aside from being an abhorrent division of society with an aim to coerce "free choice", it is quite scientifically unsound. The fully vaccinated are spreading COVID as they present their "passports" at sporting events, bars and restaurants while the media and politicians down-play the breakthrough cases.
I'm fine with negotiatonm regarding exemption standards, but I don'y see a propblem with requiring being full vaccinated to participate in certain group activities, especially those identified previously as potential super spreader
events.
We've done this here in BC. As of Nov 1, all government employees not fully vaccinated were fired; this included, without prejudice, many medical staff.
MRO wrote to Otto Reverse <=-
what we should do is weekly testing. it's so easy now and you can find out in 15 mins. i did it once and then i went to the free wallgreens
one. there's one where you find out in a day and a test where you find out within the day. it's free in the usa.
these people have a false sense of security with the vaccine and it's getting their friends and their family sick. ---
Greenlfc wrote to Dr. What <=-
I think a lot of folks in this scene are scared of covid because
they're older and fall into one of the "scary" risk categories. People who are afraid don't think clearly.
Otto Reverse wrote to Cyberpope <=-
Aside from being an abhorrent division of society with an aim to coerce "free choice", it is quite scientifically unsound. The fully vaccinated are spreading COVID as they present their "passports" at sporting
events, bars and restaurants while the media and politicians down-play
the breakthrough cases.
In the provinces that are free with their COVID stats (mine, NS, isn't) the daily percent of new cases that are the fully vaccinated has risen from the mid 30's to the low to mid 40's.
I agree. Especially where protecting the vulnerable is concerned (i.e. old
age homes). The problem in Canada is the rapid testing is controlled by
government and isn't wide-spread. They tend to "deploy" it in areas where
there are outbreaks. You can't just walk into a pharmacy and get one. At
least not in my province.
A gal wanted to go to a party, but it was known some troublemakers were going to show up at the party. Somebody asked me to accompany her for protection just in case some problem arose. My answer was: "If you need a bodyguard for walking into a party, you should not go to the party at
all."
I try to avoid politics while BBSing (it's my "happy place", I get enough of this nonsense IRL and on FB), but I just wanted to give kudos to you and MRO for fighting the good fight.
I think a lot of folks in this scene are scared of covid because they're older and fall into one of the "scary" risk categories. People who are afraid don't think clearly.
that's messed up. do you guys even have binax now? that's a self kit where you get 2 for 20usd
your govt should make testing available to anybody, anywhere, anytime. there's no excuse not to.
Exactly. But I'd add, at least here in Canada, they are SMUGLY doing so
while falsley calling anyone and everyone who opposes mandates and passports as anti-vaxxers.
I think a lot of folks in this scene are scared of covid because they're older and fall into one of the "scary" risk categories. People who are afraid don't think clearly.
There's a difference between being afraid, and having basic respect for each other. Masks really aren't a big deal when you look at it in those terms.
Exactly. But I'd add, at least here in Canada, they are SMUGLY doing
so while falsley calling anyone and everyone who opposes mandates and
passports as anti-vaxxers.
They do that some here in the US, and all the time in FIDO.
Hello Arelor!
** On Wednesday 01.12.21 - 13:09, Arelor wrote to Cyberpope:
A gal wanted to go to a party, but it was known some troublemakers were going to show up at the party. Somebody asked me to accompany her for protection just in case some problem arose. My answer was: "If you need bodyguard for walking into a party, you should not go to the party at all."
Maybe she just wanted to impress other people that she has a
body guard! :D I mean.. that bow over your back, the knife on
your belt and the sword in your hand would certainly look
awesome. ;)
you're twisting things. you dont just want masks [which don't really work], you want to take away everyone's rights and label it as having respect or being an adult.
Otto Reverse wrote to MRO <=-
and all the provincial governments are just doing what they think the public wants. And the public is misled by the media (and politicians). This seems to span both sides of the political spectrum here too.
you're twisting things. you dont just want masks [which don't really
work], you want to take away everyone's rights and label it as having
respect or being an adult.
Saying masks don't do anything is like vaccine proponents saying they work 100% of the time. Masks aren't 100% effective either, but they are effective when someone is carrying Covid and wears a mask, and are peak effective when both parties are wearing one. I'm not calling for government mandated masks, but it's definitely just a respectful thing to do at very least. The "you can wear a mask if you want to, I should be free not to" argument is just an example of how sad some of this stuff has become. If someone has covid, and you don't but are wearing a mask, yeah, you have a decent chance of catching it. Especially the extremely contagious variants.
Re: Re: covid
By: Dumas Walker to OTTO REVERSE on Thu Dec 02 2021 05:02 pm
Exactly. But I'd add, at least here in Canada, they are SMUGLY doing
so while falsley calling anyone and everyone who opposes mandates and
passports as anti-vaxxers.
They do that some here in the US, and all the time in FIDO.
It's called "Vax Shaming"
the Vaccine's right now does not stop you from getting Covid or spreading it
... BBSing: a method to triple your phone bill.
Re: Re: covid
By: Dumas Walker to OTTO REVERSE on Thu Dec 02 2021 05:02 pm
Exactly. But I'd add, at least here in Canada, they are SMUGLY doing
so while falsley calling anyone and everyone who opposes mandates and
passports as anti-vaxxers.
They do that some here in the US, and all the time in FIDO.
It's called "Vax Shaming"
the Vaccine's right now does not stop you from getting Covid or spreading it.
... BBSing: a method to triple your phone bill.
you're twisting things. you dont just want masks [which don't really work], you want to take away everyone's rights and label it as having respect or being an adult.
Saying masks don't do anything is like vaccine proponents saying they work
100% of the time. Masks aren't 100% effective either, but they are effective when someone is carrying Covid and wears a mask, and are peak
argument is just an example of how sad some of this stuff has become. If someone has covid, and you don't but are wearing a mask, yeah, you have a decent chance of catching it. Especially the extremely contagious variants.
Welcome to the world of mutation. A vaccine only has a certain lifespan according to which strains it is effective on. Each year when flu season
in our near future. This week I contracted Omicron, and I had the Pfizer
There's a difference between being afraid, and having basic respect for each other. Masks really aren't a big deal when you look at it in those terms.
Your system isn't adding QWKnet taglines to your outbound messages.
Please fix that. Thanks,
the Mask keeps your viral load contained somewhat, If someone infected sneezes or coughs in your face while you're wearing a mask the virus can still get through most of the mask's most people wear, the mask can help somewhat.
Right now I wear a mask at work and the Doctors office and thats it.
once our state cases drop below 50/1000 I wont be wearing a mask at work.
Your system isn't adding QWKnet taglines to your outbound messages. Please fix that. Thanks,
This is possibly when I use MultiMail. If this message has them then MM is the culprit. I will check out my MM settings.
Exactly. But I'd add, at least here in Canada, they are SMUGLY doing
so while falsley calling anyone and everyone who opposes mandates and
passports as anti-vaxxers.
They do that some here in the US, and all the time in FIDO.
It's called "Vax Shaming"
the Vaccine's right now does not stop you from getting Covid or spreading it.
Indeed. But testing over vaccinations isn't the message here. The message here
s that this is a "pandemic of the unvaccinated" and if those dirty anti-vaxxer
would just get "jabbed" then we could end this thing. As you said in a previou
reply, it is political. The Fed gov and all the provincial governments are jus
doing what they think the public wants. And the public is misled by the media nd politicians). This seems to span both sides of the political spectrum here
oo.
It's called "Vax Shaming" the Vaccine's right now does not
stop you from getting Covid or spreading it.
Hopefully they will get it right someday (soon!) but for
right now the variants like Delta seem to be keeping ahead
of the science.
Exactly. But I'd add, at least here in Canada, they are SMUGLY
doing so while falsley calling anyone and everyone who opposes
mandates and passports as anti-vaxxers.
They do that some here in the US, and all the time in FIDO.
It's called "Vax Shaming"
the Vaccine's right now does not stop you from getting Covid or
spreading it.
... BBSing: a method to triple your phone bill.
yeah this guy on fb told me i wasnt an adult because i didnt get the vaccine. since the vaccines came out they have said they get the vaccine to protect other people and it's selfish to not get it.
Right, that's the point. Wearing the mask is more of a courtesy because no one knows if you have Covid or not. It's less protection for the wearer than it is protection for everyone around them.
At our local schools like everwhere we had so many angry parents
demanding rights for their kids not to wear a mask shouting "they can
wear a mask if they want, but don't make my kid wear one." Totally missing the point, it was maddening.
No, I think it's a setting of your BBS software. "BEERS20" is a BBS, right? --
Yes, the unvaxed are still in the majority when it comes to getting sick, but they are no longer in the "vast majority" in at least BC and Ontario.
you sound like you are repeating the same stuff everyone has been TOLD.
the fact is, masks don't work. they've had studies on this.
At our local schools like everwhere we had so many angry parents demanding rights for their kids not to wear a mask shouting "they can wear a mask if they want, but don't make my kid wear one." Totally missing the point, it was maddening.
It's maddening that my kid has had to wear a mask in school for two years now. The kids don't need it and the teachers are all vaccinated. Time to take them off the kids at least. People say "it's fine" or "it's no big deal to wear one". Well it isn't fine for the kids. It is psychologically damaging. Kids suffer from depression because of it. Really young kids social development suffers because of it. All because some people are afraid of COVID. Well if you (hypotheitcal you, not "you") are afraid perhaps you should stay away from schools and let the kids live a normal life.
However, now I am noticing that the media is spinning the tale
that the original jabs are some miracle immune system boosters
to make you healthier - despite only being effective for a
virus that has long since mutated into something else.
yeah this guy on fb told me i wasnt an adult because i didnt get the vaccine. since the vaccines came out they have said they get the vaccine to protect oth
people and it's selfish to not get it.
meanwhile they have been acting like they are invincible after getting the vac
ne and spreading it all over while i social distance, wear a mask and wear glo
s.
in our near future. This week I contracted Omicron, and I had the Pfizer
No, I think it's a setting of your BBS software. "BEERS20" is a BBS, right?
I appreciate the hypthetical you here, I'm not afraid. I've lost a
friend to covid, and I've had it myself. I also have four kids. In our county masks are optional, but probably a majority still wear them.
I've sometimes forgotten I was wearing a mask home from work when it was required. If our numbers go back up, I won't be upset if they require them again.
Welcome to the world of mutation. A vaccine only has a certain
lifespan according to which strains it is effective on. Each year
when flu season
or your vaccine never worked.
in our near future. This week I contracted Omicron, and I had the
Pfizer
so you are one of those dudes on the news?
the Mask keeps your viral load contained somewhat, If someone infected
sneezes or coughs in your face while you're wearing a mask the virus
can still get through most of the mask's most people wear, the mask
can help somewhat.
Right, that's the point. Wearing the mask is more of a courtesy because no one knows if you have Covid or not. It's less protection for the wearer than it is protection for everyone around them.
At our local schools like everwhere we had so many angry parents demanding rights for their kids not to wear a mask shouting "they can wear a mask if they want, but don't make my kid wear one." Totally missing the point, it was maddening.
There's not a single study I'm aware of that has a zero percent on it. I'm involved in a covid study. I get that people are upset that it was oversold as a magical barrier, but if you have covid and wear a mask, it helps spread to a significant degree. Mask type, how it's worn, how long the exposure it, etc all make it so certain pundits can spin it as "they just don't work." If you are wearing a mask and someone with Covid coughs near you, I wouldn't feel confident. I get that, but it's also most important that they were wearing the mask during the cough.
---TLM
I think that Otto is a user on another sysop's BBS. I think Paulie420 is the sysop on that BBS.
Well that's good for you, but to put your situation ahead of others is wrong. Just because you and your kids are fine doesn't
mean
a whole host of other people aren't. And while you are correct that masks provide "some" protection, it isn't much in reality
(statistically) and the benefits of wearing them don't come close to out-weighing the negatives.
Not even close.
There are certainly some negatives, but if everyone could kind of get together and stop making up their own freedumb issues,
perhaps we could get out of this a whole lot sooner.
The Lizard Master wrote to MRO <=-
Saying masks don't do anything is like vaccine proponents saying they work 100% of the time. Masks aren't 100% effective either, but they
are effective when someone is carrying Covid and wears a mask, and are peak effective when both parties are wearing one.
I'm not calling for
government mandated masks, but it's definitely just a respectful thing
to do at very least.
If someone has covid, and you don't but are wearing
a mask, yeah, you have a decent chance of catching it. Especially the extremely contagious variants.
Denn wrote to The Lizard Master <=-
once our state cases drop below 50/1000 I wont be wearing a mask at
work.
Otto Reverse wrote to The Lizard Master <=-
It's maddening that my kid has had to wear a mask in school for two
years now. The kids don't need it and the teachers are all vaccinated.
once our state cases drop below 50/1000 I wont be wearing a mask at
work.
Which will never happen since "cases" is a 100% propaganda number that is manipulated by the state.
No, I think it's a setting of your BBS software. "BEERS20" is a BBS, right? --
Not mine. That's Paulie's BBS 20 For Beers. Running Mystic. But others from his BBS post here regularly. Right now I'm using Syncterm with default settings and haven't changed any of the default settings in my BBS account at 20 For Beers.
Not mine. That's Paulie's BBS 20 For Beers. Running Mystic. But others from his BBS post here regularly. Right now I'm using Syncterm with default settings and haven't changed any of the default settings in my BBS account at 20 For Beers.
On the issue of masks one can find a study on either side of the issue. The only common denominator among most of them is that
You may not value freedom, personal choice or individual rights, but others do.
There's a lady who walks down my street every day wearing a mask. I live in a village of 3000 people and the time of day she
walks
she surely never passes anyone else. She's suffering from Stockholm syndrome or just enjoys signalling her virtue.
Re: Re: covid
By: Moondog to Denn on Fri Dec 03 2021 10:47 am
Welcome to the world of mutation. A vaccine only has a certain lifespan according to which strains it is effective on. Each year when flu season
or your vaccine never worked.
in our near future. This week I contracted Omicron, and I had the Pfizer
so you are one of those dudes on the news?
Re: Re: covid
By: Denn to The Lizard Master on Fri Dec 03 2021 08:58 am
the Mask keeps your viral load contained somewhat, If someone infected sneezes or coughs in your face while you're wearing a mask the virus can still get through most of the mask's most people wear, the mask can help somewhat.
Right now I wear a mask at work and the Doctors office and thats it. once our state cases drop below 50/1000 I wont be wearing a mask at work.
Right, that's the point. Wearing the mask is more of a courtesy because no
At our local schools like everwhere we had so many angry parents demanding r
---TLM
Not mine. That's Paulie's BBS 20 For Beers. Running Mystic. But othe from his BBS post here regularly. Right now I'm using Syncterm with default settings and haven't changed any of the default settings in BBS account at 20 For Beers.
So how about it, Paulie, can you fix your BBS configuration to include your QWK tagline on this (and all other) DOVE-Net sub?
Only a psychopath would get so triggered by people wearing a piece of cloth on their faces when in a health crisis. Are you staying on the stable side of the psycopathy and refraining from beating someone up for doing so?
I wonder if its a setting on my BEERS20 ACCOUNT @ Vert, or a setting in Mystic network setup - either way, YES I want to fix it... I'm on it on my end, and/or will respond to any info posted back here.
All I got out of your reply was "herp derp COVID derp".
Whatever buddy. You live your holier than thou life and I'll live mine.
Is that why all these jerks in stores wearing mask's get in the faces of those not wearing a mask?
I would never confront them for wearing a mask outdoors or in their cars by themselves, if it gives them a feeling of security
that's their business.
N-95 masks are effective. But that effectiveness comes at an oxygen reductio But Democrats like that since brain damaged people tend to vote Democrat.
Arelor wrote to Ogg <=-
I am usually quite discreet. The machetes always stay hidden under my Colombo style trench coat and my wide brimmed hat is tilted so it
conceals most of my face :-)
so you are one of those dudes on the news?
No, I'm not on the news. I'm a realist, and do not expect one or two shots to be able to accomodate every new mutation that appears after the shots were created.
The main reason I was vaxxed in February was because I was working on
Re: Re: covid
By: The Lizard Master to Denn on Fri Dec 03 2021 03:05 pm
Re: Re: covid
By: Denn to The Lizard Master on Fri Dec 03 2021 08:58 am
the Mask keeps your viral load contained somewhat, If someone infected sneezes or coughs in you
face while you're wearing a mask the virus can still get through most of the mask's most people
wear, the mask can help somewhat.
Right now I wear a mask at work and the Doctors office and thats it. once our state cases drop
below 50/1000 I wont be wearing a mask at work.
Right, that's the point. Wearing the mask is more of a courtesy because no
At our local schools like everwhere we had so many angry parents demanding r
---TLM
Moral of the story: keep your distance from people not wearing masks
Arelor wrote to Ogg <=-
I am usually quite discreet. The machetes always stay hidden under my Colombo style trench coat a
my wide brimmed hat is tilted so it
conceals most of my face :-)
Adrian Paul (the actor who played in the TV series "Highlander") has a swordfighting school now. I ho
he teaches how to conceal a katana under a trench coat like he does in the TV show.
... Trust in the you of now
Re: Re: covid
By: Moondog to MRO on Sun Dec 05 2021 12:12 pm
so you are one of those dudes on the news?
No, I'm not on the news. I'm a realist, and do not expect one or two sho to be able to accomodate every new mutation that appears after the shots were created.
The main reason I was vaxxed in February was because I was working on
i asked because there are only a few cases documented in the usa and you sai
Re: Re: covid
By: Moondog to The Lizard Master on Sun Dec 05 2021 12:15 pm
Re: Re: covid
By: The Lizard Master to Denn on Fri Dec 03 2021 03:05 pm
Re: Re: covid
By: Denn to The Lizard Master on Fri Dec 03 2021 08:58 am
the Mask keeps your viral load contained somewhat, If someone infe face while you're wearing a mask the virus can still get through mo wear, the mask can help somewhat.
Right now I wear a mask at work and the Doctors office and thats i below 50/1000 I wont be wearing a mask at work.
Right, that's the point. Wearing the mask is more of a courtesy becau
At our local schools like everwhere we had so many angry parents deman
---TLM
Moral of the story: keep your distance from people not wearing masks
I'd like to submit a patch for that:
- Moral of the story: keep your distance from people not wearing masks
+ Moral of the story: keep your distance from people
--
gopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalken
Otto Reverse wrote to The Lizard Master <=-
It's maddening that my kid has had to wear a mask in school for two
years now. The kids don't need it
Re: Re: "If you need a bodyguard
By: Arelor to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Dec 06 2021 07:30 pm
I always thought the one positive of a katana was simply the reduction in weight and excellent balance. If those 2 things are not really an issue, the it's a "horse a piece".
It's maddening that my kid has had to wear a mask in school for two
years now. The kids don't need it
Wait, what?
Re: Re: "If you need a bodyguard
By: Hylian to Arelor on Wed Dec 08 2021 08:41 am
Re: Re: "If you need a bodyguard
By: Arelor to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Dec 06 2021 07:30 pm
I always thought the one positive of a katana was simply the reduction in weight and excellent balance. If those 2 things are not really an issue, it's a "horse a piece".
I am not that familiar with eastern blades. My understanding is that katanas have been designed as optimized cutters but not necessarily as optimized weapons.
What I mean with this is that katanas are very good at chopping heads, but people who is more familiar than me has mentioned that they are not that goo at enduring abuse.
What I have heard is that Samurai didn't favor the Katana that much. They trained in spears and bows mainly.
--
gopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalken
It's maddening that my kid has had to wear a mask in school for two years now. The kids don't need it
Wait, what?
It's maddening that my kid has had to wear a mask in school for
two years now. The kids don't need it
Wait, what?
I assume your question is in reference to "the kids don't need it"? COVID rarely makes kids seriously ill let alone puts them in hospital, ICU or death. Obviously some kids are at risk and their parents should protect them. But teachers have the vaccines available so they aren't at risk from infected kids (risk of serious illness).
There are exceptions to everything of course, but the "greater good" here is kids growing up free of face masks. It is the
others that need to sacrifice (get vaccinated, wear masks etc) for them.
Assuming masks are effective, I'd think people would still want kids to wear a mask in order to help prevent spreading covid to others - not
just to prevent kids from catching covid.
protect them. But teache rs have the vaccines available so they aren't
at risk from infected kids (risk o f serious illne
There are exceptions to everything of course, but the "greater good"
here is kid s growing up free of face masks. It is the others that need
to sacrifice (get va ccinated, wear masks etc) for them.
The problem is, kids are just as good at spreading it as anyone else. In order for the 'greater good' to take effect, which yes, everyone would like to have this thing under control, is for humans to stop spreading
it. Adults haven't been doing a good enough job, believing whatever
Until it's really under control (and that's not for you or me to
decide), it shouldn't be such a huge deal for people follow the public health policy.
Nightfox wrote to Otto Reverse <=-
Assuming masks are effective,
I'd think people would still want kids to
wear a mask in order to help prevent spreading covid to others - not
just to prevent kids from catching covid.
Assuming masks are effective, I'd think people would still want kids to wear a mask in order to help prevent spreading covid to others - not just to prevent kids from catching covid.
Nightfox wrote to Otto Reverse <=-
Assuming masks are effective,
Invalid assumption.
I'd think people would still want kids to
wear a mask in order to help prevent spreading covid to others - not just to prevent kids from catching covid.
Since COVID has a 99%+ recovery rate, I have to ask what's the difference between COVID and normal cold-and-flu season?
Why do people need to mask up for COVID yet we never mask up for cold and flu season?
Assuming masks are effective, I'd think people would still want kids to wear a mask in order to help prevent spreading covid to others - not just to prevent kids from catching covid.
The problem is, kids are just as good at spreading it as anyone else. In order for the 'greater good' to take effect, which yes, everyone would like to have this thing under control, is for humans to stop spreading it. Adults
Since COVID has a 99%+ recovery rate, I have to ask what's the difference between COVID and normal cold-and-flu season?
Why do people need to mask up for COVID yet we never mask up for cold
and flu season?
Re: Re: covid
By: Nightfox to Otto Reverse on Thu Dec 09 2021 12:53:30
Assuming masks are effective, I'd think people would still want kids to wear a mask in order to help prevent spreading covid to others - not just to prevent kids from catching covid.
Personally, I call them CO2 recyclers.
Strapping a napkin to your face with a rubberband. I'm sorry, but logic and good reasoning prevents me from taking that seriously.
SYS64738
Avoids Politics on BBS
Wearing masks in school day in and day out for two years is damaging to
kids psyche. The adults around them at school can get vaccinated if they are
Denn wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
He said "KIDS DON'T NEED IT"
as proof he is right mask's and shots are not required in my state
Utah, Florida and other states, Kids who are getting Covid recover quickly, except those of coarse who have medical problems.
Assuming masks are effective,
Invalid assumption.
I'd think people would still want kids to
wear a mask in order to help prevent spreading covid to others - not
just to prevent kids from catching covid.
Since COVID has a 99%+ recovery rate, I have to ask what's the difference between COVID and normal cold-and-flu season?
Why do people need to mask up for COVID yet we never mask up for cold and flu season?
Assuming masks are effective, I'd think people would still want kids
to wear a mask in order to help prevent spreading covid to others -
not just to prevent kids from catching covid.
hold on now.
you're rehashing an old myth they fed us.
masks haven't been proven to stop the spread of covid.
Re: Re: covid
By: Otto Reverse to Nightfox on Thu Dec 09 2021 02:48 pm
Wearing masks in school day in and day out for two years is damaging to kids psyche. The adults around them at school can get vaccinated if they are
I hear this a lot. In what way is wearing masks damaging kids psyche?
Denn wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
He said "KIDS DON'T NEED IT"
as proof he is right mask's and shots are not required in my state Utah, Florida and other states, Kids who are getting Covid recover quickly, except those of coarse who have medical problems.
You don't have kids, do you?
I hear this a lot. In what way is wearing masks damaging kids psyche?
I didn't say masks being effective was a valid assumption - I was just saying if people think adults should wear masks, the same logic should apply to children too.
I'm just saying if people think adults should wear masks, then wouldn't they want children to wear masks for the same reason? I'm not saying it's accurate that masks are effective - I was trying to point out that it's inconsistent that people would think adults should wear masks but children don't have to.
Assuming masks are effective, I'd think people would still want kids
to wear a mask in order to help prevent spreading covid to others -
not just to prevent kids from catching covid.
hold on now.
you're rehashing an old myth they fed us.
masks haven't been proven to stop the spread of covid.
He said "KIDS DON'T NEED IT"
as proof he is right mask's and shots are not required in my state
Utah, Florida and other states, Kids who are getting Covid recover
quickly, except those of coarse who have medical problems.
You don't have kids, do you?
Kids spreading it isn't a problem. The vaccines to a good job of preventing
As for spread itself, the vaccines cannot stop that. They don't prevent spread in the first place.
Well that is easy for you to say. But others take issue. As a parent I have watched these "public health" policies harm my child's mental health.
Time for society to be adults and do what is right for the children.
Assuming masks are effective,Invalid assumption.
Since COVID has a 99%+ recovery rate, I have to ask what's the difference between COVID and normal cold-and-flu season?
It's the moving goalposts that have really shown that that the politicians
masks haven't been proven to stop the spread of covid.
The Covid shots haven't stoped the vaccinated from spreading covid either.
As for spread itself, the vaccines cannot stop that. They don't
prevent spread in the first place.
Sorry, that really seems to be misinformation. Recent articles (end of October) is places like New Scientist appear to cover this pretty well.
There is apparently not any known mental health issues such as depression or anxienty due to the mask wearing in children. Where could that be coming from?
Re: Re: covid
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Denn on Thu Dec 09 2021 06:45 am
He said "KIDS DON'T NEED IT"
as proof he is right mask's and shots are not required in my state
Utah, Florida and other states, Kids who are getting Covid recover
quickly, except those of coarse who have medical problems.
You don't have kids, do you?
Yes all grown up now, but I do have grand kids that we watch for our kids all the time.
there so far is no outbreak in Utah school's with our no mask in schools.
The problem is, kids are just as good at spreading it as anyone else. In order
There is apparently not any known mental health issues such as depression or anxienty due to the mask wearing in children. Where could that be coming fro
Re: Re: covid
By: Greenlfc to Dr. What on Fri Dec 10 2021 06:06 am
It's the moving goalposts that have really shown that that the politician
*facepalm*
Because a developing pandemic is going to have it all worked out immediately
This isn't to say the changing response hasn't been problematic, but let's n go full conspiracy theory here.
Re: Re: covid
By: Denn to MRO on Fri Dec 10 2021 12:25 pm
masks haven't been proven to stop the spread of covid.
The Covid shots haven't stoped the vaccinated from spreading covid eith
I don't think anyone ever said masks were supposed to totally stop the sprea of covid. They're just supposed to help slow it down (and whether or not th have been effective at that seems to be debatable).
The covid shots don't seem to be a true vaccine, but something more like the flu shot where they're supposed to help protect you but won't totally preven you from getting covid.
Nightfox
Otto Reverse wrote to Hustler <=-
I hear this a lot. In what way is wearing masks damaging kids psyche?
Depression at having to wear a mask day in and day out.
masks haven't been proven to stop the spread of covid.
The Covid shots haven't stoped the vaccinated from spreading covid
either.
I don't think anyone ever said masks were supposed to totally stop the spread of covid. They're just supposed to help slow it down (and whether or not they have been effective at that seems to be debatable).
The covid shots don't seem to be a true vaccine, but something more like the flu shot where they're supposed to help protect you but won't totally prevent you from getting covid.
our kids ll the time.He said "KIDS DON'T NEED IT"
as proof he is right mask's and shots are not required in my
state Utah, Florida and other states, Kids who are getting Covid
recover quickly, except those of coarse who have medical
problems.
You don't have kids, do you?
Yes all grown up now, but I do have grand kids that we watch for
there so far is no outbreak in Utah school's with our no mask in
schools.
I'm pretty sure i've known poindexter for about 20 years. i know he has me blocked but i still reply to his dumb ass.
anyways, he's a prime example of what mass hysteria does to people.
He has become more idiotic, closeminded and stupid than I could every have believed was possible. This is how fear affects people.
I don't think anyone ever said masks were supposed to totally stop the spread of covid.
regarding masks, I am getting sick wearing a mask when i didn't get sick when i didnt wear a mask! i get a cold all the time now. maybe it's
A real scientist would never say something like that.) are really interested in control and power.
I hear this a lot. In what way is wearing masks damaging kids psyche?
not go full conspiracy theory here.
Otto Reverse wrote to Trikester <=-
Kids spreading it isn't a problem. The vaccines to a good job of preventing serious illness. Adults who are concerned can get
vaccinated.
As for spread itself, the vaccines cannot stop that.
greatly wanes over time. The head of the AstraZeneca team at Oxford
stated such months ago.
MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-
what we should have done, (and biden's red head idiot discredited) is
have testing weekly. that is how we could have found out who has it
and get it under control.
regarding masks, I am getting sick wearing a mask when i didn't get
sick when i didnt wear a mask! i get a cold all the time now. maybe
it's because I've been staying inside away from the sun. or stress from this bullshit? ---
Greenlfc wrote to Dr. What <=-
It's the moving goalposts that have really shown that that the
politicians and the so-called "scientists" ("I AM THE SCIENCE!"
Really, what is that? A real scientist would never say something like that.) are really interested in control and power.
MRO wrote to Hustler <=-
I hear this a lot. In what way is wearing masks damaging kids psyche?
it's turning them into non social freaks.
it's bad enough that 50% or more are considered autistic.
we are subjecting them to hell.
regarding masks, I am getting sick wearing a mask when i didn't get sick when i didnt wear a mask! i get a cold all the time now. maybe it's
Most people forget, the masks are to stop things from coming out of your mouth. The virus itself can technically get through the mask. If you have it, it usually exits your body on fluid droplets. Those get caught by the mask. If the virus is just hanging around in the air, a mask isn't going to stop you from inhaling it.
What's being pushed for COVID isn't a vaccine and the COVID jab is responsible for over 140,000 people having serious illnesses not related to COVID.
As for spread itself, the vaccines cannot stop that.
Vaccines can stop the spread. That's why the COVID jab is NOT a vaccine.
If you get the jab, you can still get and transmit COVID.
You can't get a virus under control. The actual experts were clear about that when the politicians started chiming in.
The only way to handle a virus is through it.
Let everyone get it. In the case of COVID, 99%+ will recover and have immunity.
I hear this a lot. In what way is wearing masks damaging kids psyche?
it's turning them into non social freaks.
Arguably, cell phones and social media has been doing this for a while now.
it's bad enough that 50% or more are considered autistic.
Keep in mind that's because we are getting better at detecting autism and the autistic spectrum is far wider than expected.
Anything spreading it is a problem. This is what the pandemic's all
about.
Sorry, that really seems to be misinformation. Recent articles (end of October) is places like New Scientist appear to cover this pretty well.
LOL! Horseshit.
I'm sure you have some kind of research/evidence to back that claim up, right? Or is it just something you pulled out of your ass?
What's being pushed for COVID isn't a vaccine and the COVID jab is responsible for over 140,000 people having serious illnesses not related to COVID.
Vaccines can stop the spread. That's why the COVID jab is NOT a
vaccine. If you get the jab, you can still get and transmit COVID.
Oh, ya, he's a real good source for the facts of the not-vax.
Interesting.. The mainstream media initially made it sound like the covid shots were vaccines that would prevent you from
getting
& spreading covid, but later the media said they don't totally prevent getting & spreading covid. There were numbers mentioned
in the media about the covid shots' efficacy, and none were 100%.
There is apparently not any known mental health issues such as depression or anxienty due to the mask wearing in children.I'm not an expert, but I could see getting depressed at least a bit from not being able to see peoples' full faces and not being
Where could that be coming from?
able to read their full facial expressions.
Children are usually BETTER at spreading things than anyone else because they are usually more likely to forget to do things like wash their hands
or social distance when they are ill.
On the other hand, the Pediatric Asociation from Navarra issued some report according to which kids are not the dangerous vector
of
Doom and Death they are being cranked up to be by the media. I think they issued such report because people was being scared to
death. "Oh, no, little Paco is gonna infect the grandpa and the grandma and the auntie and get us all killed!!!!"
*facepalm*Examples like that one pile up. It does not foster confidence. At some point somebody is bound to do a very scientific thing and
Because a developing pandemic is going to have it all worked out immediately
This isn't to say the changing response hasn't been problematic, but let's n go full conspiracy theory here.
asks questions about why the criteria about what is safe and what isn't keeps changing. It would not be bad if it was one or two
I hear this a lot. In what way is wearing masks damaging kids psyche?In addition to all the other responses to this, how about turning them into mindlessly compliant sheep? Even more so than people
already are. That's a scary future, to me.
Kids spreading it isn't a problem. The vaccines to a good job of preventing serious illness. Adults who are concerned can
get
vaccinated.
What's being pushed for COVID isn't a vaccine and the COVID jab is responsible for over 140,000 people having serious illnesses
not
related to COVID.
Otto Reverse wrote to Gamgee <=-
LOL! Horseshit.
I'm sure you have some kind of research/evidence to back that claim up, right? Or is it just something you pulled out of your ass?
Clearly you're not a parent.
Parents don't need fucking research to know when something is
bothering their child.
MRO wrote to Joe Phigan <=-
Most people forget, the masks are to stop things from coming out of your mouth. The virus itself can technically get through the mask. If you have it, it usually exits your body on fluid droplets. Those get caught by the mask. If the virus is just hanging around in the air, a mask isn't going to stop you from inhaling it.
well i got covid from someone wearing a mask, while i was wearing
a mask. and this person was vaccinated.
so we dont know shit.
Re: Re: covid
By: Trikester to Otto Reverse on Fri Dec 10 2021 11:26 am
There is apparently not any known mental health issues such as depression anxienty due to the mask wearing in children. Where could that be coming
Some years ago I watched a documentary that talked about the problems kid ma face in school if they cannot form proper facial expressions (for example, d to disease). If a kid smiles at other kid but the other kid does not smile because he is unable to, the social contact is immediately broken. A kid who cannot show facial expresions properly is going to have a very hard time socializing.
I don't think the mask itself is such a big deal for kids, though. Kids do a sort of abusive shit towards other kids every day which is much worse than being forced to wear a mask 6 hours per day, and only a small percentage of them come out broken.
On the other hand, the Pediatric Asociation from Navarra issued some report according to which kids are not the dangerous vector of Doom and Death they being cranked up to be by the media. I think they issued such report because people was being scared to death. "Oh, no, little Paco is gonna infect the grandpa and the grandma and the auntie and get us all killed!!!!"
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well if were were going to isolate the virus we should have done it right. shutting down hobby lobby and having everyone go to homedepot all day and then buy out all the toilet paper at walmart didnt prove fruitful.
Interesting.. The mainstream media initially made it sound like the
covid shots were vaccines that would prevent you from getting
& spreading covid, but later the media said they don't totally prevent
getting & spreading covid. There were numbers mentioned in the media
about the covid shots' efficacy, and none were 100%.
The message we received here from our health authorities never in my recollection overstated the efficacy of the vaccines - they didn't know, and I have yet to see anything from any of the companies involved where they suggested 100% prevention.
Is the general feeling in your media or your neck of the woods that vaccines are 100% effective? I'm not sure how anyone could even be led to believe that when booster shots are thing.
Am I misinterpreting what you're saying?
Anything spreading it is a problem. This is what the pandemic's all about.Well that depends. For the original before the vaccines and extensive knowledge we have now, yes. For the delta post vaccines,
Sorry, that really seems to be misinformation. Recent articles (end of October) is places like New Scientist appear toHardly. It has been well known that the vaccines lose their efficacy to prevent infection and transmission over time.
cover
this pretty well.
Ontario releases daily updates on new cases and the percent that are fully vaccinated and unvaccinated (as does many
increasing. Thereby showing waning efficacy. Why do you think there is all this talk of third shot boosters?
I'm sure you have some kind of research/evidence to back that claim up, right?Clearly you're not a parent. Parents don't need fucking research to know when something is bothering their child.
Re: Re: covid
By: MRO to Dr. What on Sat Dec 11 2021 01:09 pm
well if were were going to isolate the virus we should have done it right. shutting down hobby lobby and having everyone go to homedepot all day and then buy out all the toilet paper at walmart didnt prove fruitful.
What do Hobby Lobby and Home Depot specifically have to do with it?
What's being pushed for COVID isn't a vaccine and the COVID jab is responsible for over 140,000 people having serious illnesses not related to COVID.
I'm not an expert, but I could see getting depressed at least a bit from not being able to see peoples' full faces and not being able to read their full facial expressions.
Nightfox
MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-
it's nuts how people are so easily conditioned. it's truly scarey.
people are now conditioned to accept that they should take a vaccine
that does not work.
furthermore, they now believe all other vaccines
behave like the covid vaccines.
Otto Reverse wrote to Dr. What <=-
So the guy who headed the team that created the AZ is NOT a good source
to tell is it will NOT provide herd immunity? I don't think you read
my post correctly.
Children are usually BETTER at spreading things than anyone else because they are usually more likely to forget to do things like wash their hands or social distance when they are ill.
Ignoring their running nose and wiping it all over the place.... heh.
well if were were going to isolate the virus we should have done it right. shutting down hobby lobby and having everyone go to homedepot all day and then buy out all the toilet paper at walmart didnt prove fruitful.
What do Hobby Lobby and Home Depot specifically have to do with it?
so do you live in a cave?
ageism or whichever really isn't helpful - there's plenty of people running around claiming the 'natural immunity' anti-vax thing and suggesting we should all catch COVID "for the greater good", death to
all the old people be damned.
Pretty gross, callous and short-sighted.
I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing here. Spreading isn't good, the age isn't really important - people are virus spreaders. (Age
is somewhat important for the risks when you are fighting it, sure, but there's no guarantees that a child, a teen or a young adult isn't going
to die from it, regardless of pre-existing conditions)
Sure, they do lose efficacy over time, no doubt about that. And yes, Omicron sounds like it's a whole new challenge. I'll be getting my
booster when it's available, and of course wearing my mask everywhere applicable to try and ensure I don't pass it on to anyone if I happen to catch it. I don't think any of this points to the vaccines being ineffective - they may well be less effective against new variants, though, which was expected. I'm not sure that this means we should just presume they're no good and give up on them, though.
That's not the same thing, though, as saying a parent would know what's causing the bother.
And maybe your child is an outlier, who knows. But there doesn't seem to be known evidence yet that children wearing masks are being harmed in
any way.
So the guy who headed the team that created the AZ is NOT a good sour to tell is it will NOT provide herd immunity? I don't think you read my post correctly.
The guy who's part of a company getting millions of dollars in gov't
money to produce something that doesn't work is not a good source. He's part of the Propaganda Ministry.
Re: Re: covid
By: Nightfox to Trikester on Fri Dec 10 2021 01:39 pm
I'm not an expert, but I could see getting depressed at least a bit from not being able to see peoples' full faces and not being able to read their full facial expressions.
Nightfox
How do you ask a chick out on a date if you can't see there face. I have two new doctors. If I ran into them on the street and they didn't have a mask on, I woudn't recognize them.
box stores to close like they did mom and pop's), but I was not aware that they forced hobby lobby stores to close also.
Otto Reverse wrote to Trikester <=-
That's not the same thing, though, as saying a parent would know what's causing the bother.
And maybe your child is an outlier, who knows. But there doesn't seem to be known evidence yet that children wearing masks are being harmed in
any way.
Oh please.
Often parents know best and many things don't need
"experts" to figure out.
There are lots of parents with concerns about their children in
the pandemic.
Even the CBC has published
many articles on depression in kids because of COVID.
When this pandemic is finally over, in the years to follow, there
will no doubt be many papers published on the effects it had on
kids. This isn't rocket science, it is obvious. And just
because you and Gamgee don't see it down't mean it isn't
happening.
Then, a couple months later, my state re-instituted a mask mandate for indoors and outdoors.
I don't think people or the media in my area currently think the vaccines are 100% effective.
So..... cite a credible source that says that kids are being harmed by wearing masks.
Otto Reverse wrote to Gamgee <=-
So..... cite a credible source that says that kids are being harmed by wearing masks.
Me as a parent.
And believe me, I'm the farthest thing from woke.
But hey, you live in Florida where you don't have to put up with
the masking bullshit if you don't want to so you don't exactly
have a dog in this particular fight.
MRO wrote to HusTler <=-
How do you ask a chick out on a date if you can't see there face. I have two new doctors. If I ran into them on the street and they didn't have a mask on, I woudn't recognize them.
at this point my mind just imagines the rest of the face.
Actually when you don't have have a vaccine, or in this case we have "leaky" ones, that is precisely how you get out of a
pandemic.
Just like the flu shot. And, just like the flu, the vulnerable get the shot and sometimes people who know they are going to be
around the vulnerable get it too. But we don't mandate it or restrict access with "passports" nor do we mandate mask wearing.
Oh please. Often parents know best and many things don't need "experts" to figure out. There are lots of parents with concerns
about their children in the pandemic. Even the CBC has published many articles on depression in kids because of COVID.
When this pandemic is finally over, in the years to follow, there will no doubt be many papers published on the effects it had on kids. This isn't rocket science, it is obvious. And just because you
and
Gamgee don't see it down't mean it isn't happening. Like the famous quote about the woman who didn't know anyone who voted for
Re: Re: covid
By: Otto Reverse to Trikester on Sun Dec 12 2021 09:31 am
Just like the flu shot. And, just like the flu, the vulnerable get the shot and
sometimes people who know they are going to be around the vulnerable get it too.
But we don't mandate it or restrict access with "passports" nor do we mandate ma
wearing.
And just like the flu shot, everyone 6 monthos of age and older should get it.
Not sure where you're getting your advice from.
Sorry, that's just not correct. If you're seriously on the 'natural immunity' train, then you may as well just ship off to an island with
your like and see how that all goes.
Otto Reverse wrote to Dr. What <=-
So if Mark Zuckerberg told the press that Facebook is bad for society
and for one's wellbeing you would dismiss that as propaganda because he heads up FB and got rich off it?
Dumas Walker wrote to MRO <=-
I understood the home depot and walmart references (they didn't force
big box stores to close like they did mom and pop's), but I was not
aware that they forced hobby lobby stores to close also.
Otto Reverse wrote to Trikester <=-
Actually when you don't have have a vaccine, or in this case we have "leaky" ones, that is precisely how you get out of a pandemic. Of
course you do your best to protect the vulnerable.
This isn't gross or callous. It is science.
And just like the flu shot, everyone 6 monthos of age and older should
get it.
It's not that Gamgee or I don't see it - those weird people we call 'experts' don't see it. We have to rely on them, not on your gut.
Otto Reverse wrote to Gamgee <=-
lol, okay troll. Whatever. You "win". I'm a woke libtard lol.
Re: Re: covid
By: MRO to Dr. What on Sat Dec 11 2021 01:09 pm
well if were were going to isolate the virus we should have done it rig shutting down hobby lobby and having everyone go to homedepot all day a then buy out all the toilet paper at walmart didnt prove fruitful.
What do Hobby Lobby and Home Depot specifically have to do with it?
Nightfox
well if were were going to isolate the virus we should have done
it rig shutting down hobby lobby and having everyone go to
homedepot all day a then buy out all the toilet paper at walmart
didnt prove fruitful.
What do Hobby Lobby and Home Depot specifically have to do with it?
Nothing directly. During a lockdown people shouldn't be out buying non-essential items, interacting with even more at-risk people.
Okay Lee. Whatever.
Some European Agency issued a report last month according to which people between 12 and 29 years old was developing
heard/vascular
complications fairly above was they were expecting, so while I get recommending people to take vaccines past certain age, 6
months most likely isn't.
Dumas Walker wrote to MRO <=-
I understood the home depot and walmart references (they didn't force big box stores to close like they did mom and pop's), but I was not aware that they forced hobby lobby stores to close also.
Hobby Lobby close their stores on Sunday for religious reasons. The Left hates all religions because they compete with the Left for control of people.
What do Hobby Lobby and Home Depot specifically have to do with it?
Nightfox
Nothing directly. During a lockdown people shouldn't be out buying non-essential items, interacting with even more at-risk people.
Also, toilet paper was low in stock everywhere, not just Wal Mart. Last year, many stores in my area were low or out of toilet paper. I'm not sure why people were horading so much toilet paper though - Was everyone worried about suddenly getting diarrhea?
we have a bidet though, so we dont use toilet paper. TP is gross.
There is no such thing as "natural immunity". There is, however, such a thing as antibodies. When you contract a virus and
successfully fight it off you are left with antibodies. This is common scientific knowledge that one learns in junior high (or
should have).
If that was the case, they wouldn't have blocked use of Ivermectin and the other theraputics that have been proven effective.
Oh, please... There has been no science in this whole scamdemic. Just a bunch of talking heads with worthless degrees from bad
universities.
And just like the flu shot, everyone 6 monthos of age and older should get it.lol, yeah okay sure. I remember as a kid and young adult when the flu shot didn't exist. So many kids and young adults were
dying of it left and right. It wasn't just the very old and those who are immuno-compromised. Yeah right!
It's not that Gamgee or I don't see it - those weird people we call 'experts' don't see it. We have to rely on them, not on
your gut.
It's simple. Experts aren't needed or required despite assertions otherwise.
There is no such thing as "natural immunity". There is, however, such a thing as antibodies. When you contract a virus and successfully fight it o
And just like the flu shot, everyone 6 monthos of age and older
should get it.
You don't need to take my word for it... That's the recommendation. Your
Re: Re: covid
By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon Dec 13 2021 01:32 pm
we have a bidet though, so we dont use toilet paper. TP is gross.
I've never had an opportunity to use a toilet with a bidet. I've been curious to try one.
Re: Re: covid
By: Greenlfc to Dr. What on Fri Dec 10 2021 06:06 am
Avoids Politics on BBS
looks like you forgot this part
Otto Reverse wrote to Gamgee <=-
Okay Lee. Whatever.
Otto Reverse wrote to Trikester <=-
It's not that Gamgee or I don't see it - those weird people we call 'experts' don't see it. We have to rely on them, not on your gut.
It's simple. Experts aren't needed or required despite assertions otherwise.
Nightfox wrote to Otto Reverse <=-
Re: Re: covid
By: Otto Reverse to Gamgee on Mon Dec 13 2021 09:25 am
Okay Lee. Whatever.
Funny that you didn't quote what you were replying to when you
posted this..
they they forced hobby lobby to close but the dollar stores and liquor stores ayed open. shortly before this hobby lobby was being attacked for the owner's liefs. so was chick fillet but they couldnt shut down a restaurant with carry
ut.
Was everyone worried about suddenly getting diarrhea?
It's simple. Experts aren't needed or required despite assertions otherwise.
Who is making that recommendation? I don't think the covid vaccinations have been approved for children so young. This pageYou don't need to take my word for it... That's the recommendation. YourAnd just like the flu shot, everyone 6 monthos of age and older
should get it.
from
the CDC lists children 5-11 years old, and that's only for the Pfizer vaccine:
Re: Re: covid
By: Otto Reverse to Trikester on Mon Dec 13 2021 05:37 am
There is no such thing as "natural immunity". There is, however, such a thing as antibodies. When you contract a virus and successfully fight it o
I think we all know about antibodies. When someone says they have "natural immunity", I've always thought they mean they've had the virus before and they have antibodies.
they they forced hobby lobby to close but the dollar stores and liquor stores ayed open. shortly before this hobby lobby was being attacked for the owner's liefs. so was chick fillet but they couldnt shut down a restaurant with carry
ut.
Well isn't that some crap. :( Figures.
Was everyone worried about suddenly getting diarrhea?
At the time, that was one of the stated most common symptoms of COVID-19.
Arelor wrote to Trikester <=-
Some European Agency issued a report last month according to which
people between 12 and 29 years old was developing heard/vascular complications fairly above was they were expecting,
Moondog wrote to Nightfox <=-
Nothing directly. During a lockdown people shouldn't be out buying non-essential items, interacting with even more at-risk people.
Nightfox wrote to Moondog <=-
Also, toilet paper was low in stock everywhere, not just Wal Mart.
Last year, many stores in my area were low or out of toilet paper. I'm not sure why people were horading so much toilet paper though - Was everyone worried about suddenly getting diarrhea?
Dumas Walker wrote to NIGHTFOX <=-
Was everyone worried about suddenly getting diarrhea?
At the time, that was one of the stated most common symptoms of
COVID-19.
Arelor wrote to Trikester <=-
Some European Agency issued a report last month according to which people between 12 and 29 years old was developing heard/vascular complications fairly above was they were expecting,
According to reports out of the UK, deaths of male children are up 50%.
I think that's a little more than "fairly above".
The Great Toilet Paper Shortage was a ploy to create fear and panic.
Nothing more.
Not many people realize that our supply chains are very lean. For those who don't know what that means, it means that there is no big warehouse someplace filled with TP. It means that the tree is cut down, processed into TP and placed on the shelf to buy. There's no place where any (well, not much) material is warehoused.
This helps keep costs very low. But if there's an unexpected run on a product, it means that there will be shortages.
In the case of TP some operatives went in a purchased large amounts at the stores. This created the appearance of a shortage, which caused many others to do the same, creating a real shortage. The illegal shutdown of
Dumas Walker wrote to NIGHTFOX <=-
Was everyone worried about suddenly getting diarrhea?
At the time, that was one of the stated most common symptoms of COVID-19.
Yet another confirmation that COVID was really this year's flu strain.
There is no such thing as "natural immunity". There is, however,
such a thing as antibodies. When you contract a virus and
successfully fight it o
I think we all know about antibodies. When someone says they have
"natural immunity", I've always thought they mean they've had the
virus before and they have antibodies.
well we use that term but i'm not sure if that's correct. i would think natural immunity would be something in our cell walls that blocks infection. some people have that with some viruses. i believe they found t
Was everyone worried about suddenly getting diarrhea?
At the time, that was one of the stated most common symptoms of
COVID-19.
in my area, water, toilet paper, EGGS (seriously, fucking all the eggs), then milk (you can freeze milk), and then all the canned goods were wiped
Some European Agency issued a report last month according to which
people between 12 and 29 years old was developing heard/vascular
complications fairly above was they were expecting,
According to reports out of the UK, deaths of male children are up
50%.
I think that's a little more than "fairly above".
who was that guy into population control? oh yeah bill gates.
who was that guy into the vaccine? oh yeah bill gates
The toilet paper tissues etc.. were hard to get for awhile.
People were selling toilet paper by the roll on Amazon for an inflated price.
You don't need to take my word for it...
That's a great response to help with your 'feels', but isn't helpful otherwise.
I think we all know about antibodies. When someone says they have "natural immunity", I've always thought they mean they've had the virus before and they have antibodies.
Not sure who "Lee" is.
When one side of a debate/conversation falls to the level of using "whatever" as their only statement, that side has lost the argument.
You lose, troll boi.
And there it is. Troll status confirmed. Go away, doofus.
It's because he's a troll, and I've beaten him down to where his statements look stupid even to him. Quoting his own nonsense would make him look even more stupid, if that's possible.
He'll be gone soon, like trolls always are.
It bugs me when people take advantage of mass shortages that way. There have also been manufacturing shortages with electronics & other items due to covid shutdowns, and it has been hard to find some electronics items. For some items, people are using bots to buy up all inventory online as soon as they become available so they can sell them at an inflated price.
in my area, water, toilet paper, EGGS (seriously, fucking all the eggs), then lk (you can freeze milk), and then all the canned goods were wiped out. any c
ned goods were taken. people were taking everything canned.
all you need is one news story saying everyone is buying the toilet paper and video shot of people loading up carts. that's enough to get millions of peopl
in every city and state to buy up all the toilet paper.
that's how stupid most people are.
Moondog wrote to Nightfox <=-
Nothing directly. During a lockdown people shouldn't be out buying non-essential items, interacting with even more at-risk people.
And who decides what is "non-essential"? So far, it's been the ignorant Eli who have yet to follow the science they keep touting.
... She said she had nothing to wear. I smiled.
You don't need to take my word for it...Believe me, I won't lol.
Kid: "dad I'm feeling depressed because of all the COVID restrictions..." Trikester: "well son, have you got any studies to back
that up?"
Personally, I would put state and county police in charge of determing who gets locked down because they are the ones who will be enforcing it.
The toilet paper tissues etc.. were hard to get for awhile.
People were selling toilet paper by the roll on Amazon for an
inflated price.
It bugs me when people take advantage of mass shortages that way. There have also been manufacturing shortages with electronics & other items due to covid shutdowns, and it has been hard to find some electronics items. For some items, people are using bots to buy up all inventory online as soon as they become available so they can sell them at an inflated price.
MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-
According to reports out of the UK, deaths of male children are up 50%.
I think that's a little more than "fairly above".
who was that guy into population control? oh yeah bill gates.
who was that guy into the vaccine? oh yeah bill gates
MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-
all you need is one news story saying everyone is buying the toilet
paper and a video shot of people loading up carts. that's enough to
get millions of people in every city and state to buy up all the toilet paper.
that's how stupid most people are.
Moondog wrote to Dr. What <=-
And who decides what is "non-essential"? So far, it's been the ignorant Eli who have yet to follow the science they keep touting.
Personally, I would put state and county police in charge of determing
who gets locked down because they are the ones who will be enforcing
it.
Nightfox wrote to Denn <=-
It bugs me when people take advantage of mass shortages that way.
There have also been manufacturing shortages with electronics & other items due to covid shutdowns, and it has been hard to find some electronics items.
Only thing I've been wanting in electronics is the raspberry PI 4/8GB ram oh shit now there will be a run on Raspberry PI's.
Yes some people are morons and will buy up anything.
Personally, I would put state and county police in charge of determing who gets locked down because they are the ones who will be enforcing it.
I'm sorry. But the only correct answer is "the people".
It bugs me when people take advantage of mass shortages that way.
There have also been manufacturing shortages with electronics &
other items due to covid shutdowns, and it has been hard to find
some electronics items.
Most of those electronics items are manufactured in Asia. Most of them use California ports to bring those items in. And guess who screwed up those ports? That moron Newsome.
who was that guy into population control? oh yeah bill gates.
who was that guy into the vaccine? oh yeah bill gates
I never really gave much credibility to the whole "population control" theory. But it seems that there is more and more evidence that the not-vax is at least part of that.
Only thing I've been wanting in electronics is the raspberry PI 4/8GB
ram oh shit now there will be a run on Raspberry PI's.
Yes some people are morons and will buy up anything.
so what would you use it for? i dont get why people want these things.
you can buy an optiplex on ebay and have something better.
have found another way to get their electronics. There have been lockdowns around the whole world, and my understanding is that companies around the world had employees work from home, so there was a slowdown in manufacturing due to employees not coming into factories.
Only thing I've been wanting in electronics is the raspberry PI 4/8GB
ram oh shit now there will be a run on Raspberry PI's.
Yes some people are morons and will buy up anything.
so what would you use it for? i dont get why people want these things.
you can buy an optiplex on ebay and have something better.
I never really gave much credibility to the whole "population control" theory. But it seems that there is more and more evidence that the not-vax is at least part of that.
How is it population control? Do you think someone is purposefully trying to harm people with the covid shots?
so what would you use it for? i dont get why people want these things. you can buy an optiplex on ebay and have something better.
I don't think he said he was going to use it to run a BBS. The Raspberry Pi is for hobbyist computer projects and there are lots of things you can do with it.
have found another way to get their electronics. There have been
lockdowns around the whole world, and my understanding is that
companies around the world had employees work from home, so there was
a slowdown in manufacturing due to employees not coming into
factories.
do you really think those slave driving companies that make our electronics paid their workers to stay home?
I don't think he said he was going to use it to run a BBS. The
Raspberry Pi is for hobbyist computer projects and there are lots of
things you can do with it.
i wasnt talking about running a bbs. i mean do anything.
How is it population control? Do you think someone is purposefully
trying to harm people with the covid shots?
wait and see.
https://i.imgur.com/SDsoKfm.png
https://i.imgur.com/Lr8o0la.png
https://i.imgur.com/62kNSiJ.png
https://i.imgur.com/kQ0nc3k.png
It's a low power consumtion computer that does a lot.
For example I run one of my BBS's on a PI 3 razzpie.ddns.net:2300 running Mystic and also I use it to stay logged into the chat room so I can see if anything is discussed that I can use on my Synchronet BBS.
there are many things you can do like tinker with lua scripting, retro game system etc...
https://all3dp.com/1/best-raspberry-pi-projects/
It's a low cost tinker board.
Re: Re: covid
By: Arelor to Trikester on Mon Dec 13 2021 06:46 am
Some European Agency issued a report last month according to which people between 12 and 29 years old was developing heard/vascular
complications fairly above was they were expecting, so while I get recommending people to take vaccines past certain age, 6 months most like isn't.
They may well have, but it seems irrelevant in the US and Canada. Sources: Canadian government & the CDC.
Personally, I would put state and county police in charge of determing who gets locked down because they are the ones who will be enforcing it.
Regarding what is essential, which industries would be most critical tohave running during a pandemic? Stores who stock any form of food or hygiene items would get a pass for sure. A hardware store? That's a gray area. Plexiglass and plastic sheets and bulk cleaners have a use.
have found another way to get their electronics. There have been
lockdowns around the whole world, and my understanding is that
companies around the world had employees work from home, so there was
a slowdown in manufacturing due to employees not coming into
factories.
do you really think those slave driving companies that make our electronics paid their workers to stay home?
I didn't say they were paid to stay home (and I'm not sure where you got that). For all I know they may have had to stay home unpaid.
i wasnt talking about running a bbs. i mean do anything.
I guess you aren't in the target market for Raspberry Pi. I'm guessing you don't like to tinker with stuff.
How is it population control? Do you think someone is purposefully
trying to harm people with the covid shots?
wait and see.
https://i.imgur.com/SDsoKfm.png
https://i.imgur.com/Lr8o0la.png
https://i.imgur.com/62kNSiJ.png
https://i.imgur.com/kQ0nc3k.png
Sometimes there are unintended side-effects. It doesn't mean there's a conspiracy to control the population.
Only thing I've been wanting in electronics is the raspberry PI 4/8GB
ram oh shit now there will be a run on Raspberry PI's.
Yes some people are morons and will buy up anything.
so what would you use it for? i dont get why people want these
things. you can buy an optiplex on ebay and have something better.
I don't think he said he was going to use it to run a BBS. The Raspberry Pi is for hobbyist computer projects and there are lots of things you can do with it.
It's a low power consumtion computer that does a lot.
yeah but most newer computers dont use much power.
Re: Re: covid
By: MRO to Denn on Wed Dec 15 2021 02:47 pm
It's a low power consumtion computer that does a lot.
yeah but most newer computers dont use much power.
I run my PI3 24/7, it's been running non stop since 2016.
It's lower power consumtion than the newer computers, I also have an older PI 2 that I made into a retro game system.
MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-
if there's riots, the police can't really handle thousands of people.
it's up to homeowners to defend their blocks. that shouldn't be looked down upon. infact, they should have immunity within certain
circumstances if they are doing so.
Nightfox wrote to Dr. What <=-
How is it population control? Do you think someone is purposefully
trying to harm people with the covid shots?
MRO wrote to Denn <=-
so what would you use it for? i dont get why people want these things.
you can buy an optiplex on ebay and have something better.
Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-
I don't think he said he was going to use it to run a BBS. The
Raspberry Pi is for hobbyist computer projects and there are lots of things you can do with it.
Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-
Sometimes there are unintended side-effects. It doesn't mean there's a conspiracy to control the population.
do you really think those slave driving companies that make our
electronics paid their workers to stay home?
I didn't say they were paid to stay home (and I'm not sure where you
got that). For all I know they may have had to stay home unpaid.
so you really think they would have stayed home unpaid?
i wasnt talking about running a bbs. i mean do anything.
I guess you aren't in the target market for Raspberry Pi. I'm
guessing you don't like to tinker with stuff.
I wouldn't really call it tinkering. all the work is pretty much done for you with a raspberry pi.
How is it population control? Do you think someone is purposefully
trying to harm people with the covid shots?
Have you not read about all the healthy young people dying of surprising heart issues? Have you not read about the Guillain-BarrAc syndrome induced by the jabs?
And we still don't know the impact of the jabs on the female reproductive system.
If the FDA issued a negative declaration regarding something that is being widely used where I live, I would not declare itSome European Agency issued a report last month according to which people between 12 and 29 years old was developingThey may well have, but it seems irrelevant in the US and Canada. Sources: Canadian government & the CDC.
irrelevant even if the FDA has no authority in Europe.
Have you not read about all the healthy young people dying of surprising heart issues? Have you not read about the
Guillain-BarrAc syndrome induced by the jabs?
And we still don't know the impact of the jabs on the female reproductive system.
Re: Re: covid
By: Arelor to Trikester on Wed Dec 15 2021 05:07 pm
If the FDA issued a negative declaration regarding something that is bein widely used where I live, I would not declare it irrelevant even if the F has no authority in Europe.Some European Agency issued a report last month according to which people between 12 and 29 years old was developingThey may well have, but it seems irrelevant in the US and Canada. Sources: Canadian government & the CDC.
That's certainly your prerogative. With your example here, though, it's toug to go on 'some european agency', some rando 'report', and non-specifics on t vaccine.
Googling 'european agency report complications flu shot' bring up 0.
Do you recall more about that?
MRO wrote to Denn <=-
so what would you use it for? i dont get why people want these things. you can buy an optiplex on ebay and have something better.
So in my home, I have:
+ Pi0W emulating a Tandy Portable Disk Drive for my Tandy 102.
+ Pi3 as an MP3 player (built into an old radio case).
+ Pi3 as an MP3 player with a touch screen for controls.
+ Pi4 as a NAS, with a second Pi4 as cold standby.
+ Pi4 as a video player on our main TV.
+ Pi3 as a electronics experiment lab (CrowPi 2).
Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-
Sometimes there are unintended side-effects. It doesn't mean there's a conspiracy to control the population.
*Laugh* You've drunk the Cool Aid, that's for sure.
The UK is reporting that deaths among young men are up 50% this year.
That's not a "sometimes" side-effect.
Whether there is a conspiracy to control the population size is debatable. But the not-vax is certainly being used that way.
Re: Re: covid
By: MRO to Nightfox on Wed Dec 15 2021 07:43 pm
do you really think those slave driving companies that make our
electronics paid their workers to stay home?
I didn't say they were paid to stay home (and I'm not sure where you
got that). For all I know they may have had to stay home unpaid.
so you really think they would have stayed home unpaid?
Maybe they found different jobs in the meantime. I don't know.
It's either that or there's a mass global conspiracy to make artificial product shortages. I somehow doubt that though. I doubt so many companies around the world could coordinate that successfully. And it has had an impact on other industries. Aside from creating higher prices through higher demand, I can't really think of a good reason they'd want to create artificial product shortages.
Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-
It's either that or there's a mass global conspiracy to make artificial product shortages. I somehow doubt that though. I doubt so many companies around the world could coordinate that successfully.
Nightfox wrote to Dr. What <=-
And we still don't know the impact of the jabs on the female reproductive system.
I wondered about the covid shots since they seemed rushed to market.
It doesn't take a global conspiracy. It just takes a few well-placed "COVID restrictions" to mess things up.
Take milk as an example.
We think that the major consumer of milk are the grocery stores. Wrong.
The major consumers are companies that make milk products.
And the customers of those companies are primarily instutitions (hospitals, restaurants, schools, etc.) impacted by the illegal shutdowns.
So the company that makes cheese, for example, gets 80% of its orders cancelled.
It has no way to warehouse its product due to the lean supply chain, so it shuts down for a bit.
Since it's shut down, it doesn't buy milk.
The farmers have to milk the cows every day regardless of whether or not they sell any. And they have no place to warehouse the milk. So it gets dumped.
so you really think they would have stayed home unpaid?
Maybe they found different jobs in the meantime. I don't know.
maybe monkies flied out their ass.
the truth is, they stayed and worked.
so what would you use it for? i dont get why people want these
things. you can buy an optiplex on ebay and have something better.
So in my home, I have:
+ Pi0W emulating a Tandy Portable Disk Drive for my Tandy 102.
+ Pi3 as an MP3 player (built into an old radio case).
+ Pi3 as an MP3 player with a touch screen for controls.
+ Pi4 as a NAS, with a second Pi4 as cold standby.
+ Pi4 as a video player on our main TV.
+ Pi3 as a electronics experiment lab (CrowPi 2).
oh, i just use 40-80 dollar optiplexes i get on ebay for that.
i have one running on the tv doing all that media stuff and about 4 in the basement probably gathering mold.
do you know what has been happening since covid? the big companies made more money than god. they also bought out their competitors.
And you would be correct. But you are missing how our supply chains work today and how lean they run.
It doesn't take a global conspiracy. It just takes a few well-placed "COVID restrictions" to mess things up.
Take milk as an example.
We think that the major consumer of milk are the grocery stores. Wrong. The major consumers are companies that make milk products.
And the customers of those companies are primarily instutitions (hospitals, restaurants, schools, etc.) impacted by the illegal shutdowns.
So the company that makes cheese, for example, gets 80% of its orders cancelled.
It has no way to warehouse its product due to the lean supply chain, so it shuts down for a bit.
Since it's shut down, it doesn't buy milk.
The farmers have to milk the cows every day regardless of whether or not they sell any. And they have no place to warehouse the milk. So it gets dumped.
End result: low amounts of milk products on the shelves of the stores because the companies that produce it are only running their plants a day or 2 a week.
And that's not counting the restrictions placed on truckers who transport the products.
It was an EMA report from (I think) July 9th in which they recommended myocarditis and pericarditis to be listed as side effects
of mRNA vaccines.
so you really think they would have stayed home unpaid?
Maybe they found different jobs in the meantime. I don't know.
maybe monkies flied out their ass.
the truth is, they stayed and worked.
So can you explain the product shortages? If everyone everywhere stayed and worked, things should be humming along as normal and it should still be easy to buy pretty much anything, right?
So can you explain the product shortages? If everyone everywhere
stayed and worked, things should be humming along as normal and it
should still be easy to buy pretty much anything, right?
A lot of people stayed home collecting the fat government unemployment checks, and when it ran out they had a nest egg built up, My work shut down for 6 weeks, now we get a butt load of overtime and we're getting a $3 per hour raise.
We have a truck driver shortage, and many people went to other jobs because higher pay.
Re: Re: covid
By: MRO to Nightfox on Fri Dec 17 2021 06:41 am
so you really think they would have stayed home unpaid?
Maybe they found different jobs in the meantime. I don't know.
maybe monkies flied out their ass.
the truth is, they stayed and worked.
So can you explain the product shortages? If everyone everywhere stayed and worked, things should be humming along as normal and it should still be easy buy pretty much anything, right?
Nightfox
Re: Re: covid
By: Denn to Nightfox on Fri Dec 17 2021 12:17 pm
So can you explain the product shortages? If everyone everywhere
stayed and worked, things should be humming along as normal and it
should still be easy to buy pretty much anything, right?
A lot of people stayed home collecting the fat government unemployment checks, and when it ran out they had a nest egg built up, My work shut down for 6 weeks, now we get a butt load of overtime and we're getting $3 per hour raise.
We have a truck driver shortage, and many people went to other jobs because higher pay.
I know that's the case in the US. Many electronics and electronic component are made in China though, and I don't know if the same can be said for worke in China.
Nightfox
i have one running on the tv doing all that media stuff and about 4 in the basement probably gathering mold.
a Raspberry PI is credit card size, they get used so there is no mold or dust collecting. :)
Maybe they found different jobs in the meantime. I don't know.
maybe monkies flied out their ass.
the truth is, they stayed and worked.
So can you explain the product shortages? If everyone everywhere stayed and worked, things should be humming along as normal and it should still be easy to buy pretty much anything, right?
So can you explain the product shortages? If everyone everywhere stayed and worked, things should be humming along as normal and it should still be easy to buy pretty much anything, right?
A lot of people stayed home collecting the fat government unemployment checks, and when it ran out they had a nest egg built up, My work shut down for 6 weeks, now we get a butt load of overtime and we're getting a $3 per hour raise.
We have a truck driver shortage, and many people went to other jobs because higher pay.
I know that's the case in the US. Many electronics and electronic components are made in China though, and I don't know if the same can be said for workers in China.
i have one running on the tv doing all that media stuff and about
4 in the basement probably gathering mold.
a Raspberry PI is credit card size, they get used so there is no mold
or dust collecting. :)
eh, still not worth it.
I don't know about the rest of the world, but here in Europe we have a quite fragile power grid. We have invested heavily in the sort of renewable energy that has trouble producing electrical power at the correct frequency and in th
correct sync.
So can you explain the product shortages? If everyone everywhere
A lot of people stayed home collecting the fat government unemployment
checks, and when it ran out they had a nest egg built up, My work shut
he was talking about overseas electronics.
I don't know about the rest of the world, but here in Europe we have a quite fragile power grid. We have invested heavily in the sort of renewable energy that has trouble producing electrical power at the correct frequency and in th
correct sync.
Whenever renewable energy comes up in another political forum, some will mention the shortcomings while others attempt to shout them down with "... but in Europe they... " like it is all moonbeams and lollypops over there.
Always nice to get the perspective of someone who actually lives there.
Re: Re: covid
By: MRO to Denn on Fri Dec 17 2021 11:29 pm
So can you explain the product shortages? If everyone everywhere
A lot of people stayed home collecting the fat government unemployment
checks, and when it ran out they had a nest egg built up, My work shut
he was talking about overseas electronics.
Yes, among other things. That was one example. The point was there have been shortages due to shutdowns and lockdowns all around the world, not just in the US.
I don't know about the rest of the world, but here in Europe we have
a quite fragile power grid. We have invested heavily in the sort of
renewable energy that has trouble producing electrical power at the
correct frequency and in th
correct sync.
Whenever renewable energy comes up in another political forum, some
will mention the shortcomings while others attempt to shout them down
with "... but in Europe they... " like it is all moonbeams and
lollypops over there.
Always nice to get the perspective of someone who actually lives there.
unfortunately, renewable energy is fucking bullshit. i wish it wasn't, but it is.
There aren't infant mortalities from the vaccine, nor children. Next subject.The only difference this year will be the children dying from the not-vaccine instead of the flu.
I understand your positions on the questions of dangers to personal freedom, etc. Unfortunately that ship has sailed many many years ago. One could argue that having a driver license or social security number are already "passes" that enable big government to track you and regulate your life.
I am not aware of any proven infant mortalities caused by the vaccines currently available. We have a 90% vaccination rate here, so I suppose we should be digging more graves soon?
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MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-
+ Pi0W emulating a Tandy Portable Disk Drive for my Tandy 102.
+ Pi3 as an MP3 player (built into an old radio case).
+ Pi3 as an MP3 player with a touch screen for controls.
+ Pi4 as a NAS, with a second Pi4 as cold standby.
+ Pi4 as a video player on our main TV.
+ Pi3 as a electronics experiment lab (CrowPi 2).
oh, i just use 40-80 dollar optiplexes i get on ebay for that.
i have one running on the tv doing all that media stuff and about 4 in
the basement probably gathering mold. ---
MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-
like bloodclots, people's faces being paralized and people dying when
they wouldn't normally die.
then you have the government and media covering it up. why is that?
MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-
i'm with you on this, but your milk industry examples are indicticative
of the lies they always spread.
MRO wrote to Nightfox <=-
do you know what has been happening since covid? the big companies made more money than god. they also bought out their competitors. ---
MRO wrote to Denn <=-
a Raspberry PI is credit card size, they get used so there is no mold or dust collecting. :)
eh, still not worth it.
Cerebus wrote to Grud <=-
I am not aware of any proven infant mortalities caused by the vaccines currently available. We have a 90% vaccination rate here, so I suppose we should be digging more graves soon?
There aren't infant mortalities from the vaccine, nor children. Next subject.
Re: Re: covid
By: Dumas Walker to ARELOR on Sat Dec 18 2021 10:43 am
I don't know about the rest of the world, but here in Europe we have a quite fragile power grid. We have invested heavily in the sort of renewable energy that has trouble producing electrical power at the correct frequency and in th
correct sync.
Whenever renewable energy comes up in another political forum, some will mention the shortcomings while others attempt to shout them down with ".. but in Europe they... " like it is all moonbeams and lollypops over there
Always nice to get the perspective of someone who actually lives there.
unfortunately, renewable energy is fucking bullshit. i wish it wasn't, but i is.
it would be great to have some solar panels on the top of the house and not pay electric.
Re: Re: covid
By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Sat Dec 18 2021 01:10 pm
I don't know about the rest of the world, but here in Europe we have >> a quite fragile power grid. We have invested heavily in the sort of
renewable energy that has trouble producing electrical power at the
correct frequency and in th
correct sync.
Whenever renewable energy comes up in another political forum, some
will mention the shortcomings while others attempt to shout them down
with "... but in Europe they... " like it is all moonbeams and
lollypops over there.
Always nice to get the perspective of someone who actually lives there.
unfortunately, renewable energy is fucking bullshit. i wish it wasn't, it is.
Only decent renewable energy is Hydro Electric, Wind mills need wind,
Solar Panels need sun.
... A man attempting to walk around the world DROWNED today..
3. False. There are documented cases of children dying from the not-vax.
Only decent renewable energy is Hydro Electric, Wind mills need wind,
Solar Panels need sun.
There aren't infant mortalities from the vaccine, nor children. Next subject.
Biomass is quite ok at small escale. You gotta love lighting on the fireplace and enjoying the warmth while readin a book with a glass of bourbon :-)
like bloodclots, people's faces being paralized and people dying
when they wouldn't normally die.
Re: Re: covid
By: Arelor to Denn on Sun Dec 19 2021 08:53 am
Biomass is quite ok at small escale. You gotta love lighting on the fireplace and enjoying the warmth while readin a book with a glass of bourbon :-)
yeah but doomer is doing that and spending a lot of money.
yeah but doomer is doing that and spending a lot of money.
Because he drinks too much bourbon?
Jokes aside, I have a traditional heating system with a boiler and everything, but I find it convenient to keep it at a lower temperature than I would and just light the fireplace up when I feel like I need it.
This is also a wood producing village so there are tree leftovers for the grab by the road a big part of the year. I would not be able to heat the house on leftovers alone, but as a supporting heating system it gets the job done.
like bloodclots, people's faces being paralized and people dying
when they wouldn't normally die.
I wonder if that's what happened to Nancy Pelosi, if you watch here comment's on the news these days it's like her face is paralized and she sounds drunk.
like bloodclots, people's faces being paralized and people dying
when they wouldn't normally die.
I wonder if that's what happened to Nancy Pelosi, if you watch
here comment's on the news these days it's like her face is
paralized and she sounds drunk.
You quoted MRO but your reply was directed to Dr. What...
Denn wrote to Dr. What <=-
I wonder if that's what happened to Nancy Pelosi, if you watch here comment's on the news these days it's like her face is paralized and
she sounds drunk.
I wonder if that's what happened to Nancy Pelosi, if you watch her
comment's on the news these days it's like her face is paralized and
she sounds drunk.
But the stress of her being charged with her many crimes would have the same effect.
Yup. Big box stores could stay open since they were deemed "essential" by the
Elites. Mom and pop stores had to close - and many have never come back.
The whole scamdemic caused a massive money shift toward the already-wealthy.
Yup. Big box stores could stay open since they were deemed
"essential" by the Elites. Mom and pop stores had to close - and many
have never come back.
The whole scamdemic caused a massive money shift toward the already-wealthy
"But but but but but the Demmicrats never do anything to hurt the little guy. They hate the wealthy!"
Denn wrote to Dr. What <=-
Unfortunatly the Democrats get away with their crimes, they must keep
a blackbook on Republicans for insurance.
"But but but but but the Demmicrats never do anything to hurt the little guy. They hate the wealthy!"
And they never lie either.
How do you ask a chick out on a date if you can't see there face. I have
"But but but but but the Demmicrats never do anything to hurt the
little guy. They hate the wealthy!"
And they never lie either.
Nor do their TDS-riddled followers.
How do you ask a chick out on a date if you can't see there face. I have
I was just having a conversation about this last night. Dude's sons have had the same GFs since before the pandemic, and their friends that were single h not gone out with anyone since before the pandemic. Kids are being less soci
Re: Re: covid
By: HusTler to Nightfox on Sun Dec 12 2021 07:02:03
How do you ask a chick out on a date if you can't see there face. I have
I was just having a conversation about this last night. Dude's sons have had the sa
GFs since before the pandemic, and their friends that were single have not gone out
with anyone since before the pandemic. Kids are being less social and not meeting n
people when they normally probably would.
Re: Re: covid
By: Joe Phigan to HusTler on Wed Dec 22 2021 04:44 am
How do you ask a chick out on a date if you can't see there face. I have
I was just having a conversation about this last night. Dude's sons have had the same GFs since before the pandemic, and their friends that were single h not gone out with anyone since before the pandemic. Kids are being less soci
I had the same GF for 3 years in Highschool. There was no pandemic.
"But but but but but the Demmicrats never do anything to hurt the DW>> little guy. They hate the wealthy!"
And they never lie either.
Nor do their TDS-riddled followers.
CNN And Truth An Oxymoron ?
How do you ask a chick out on a date if you can't see there face. I
have
I was just having a conversation about this last night. Dude's sons
have had the same GFs since before the pandemic, and their friends
that were single h not gone out with anyone since before the pandemic.
Kids are being less soci
I had the same GF for 3 years in Highschool. There was no pandemic.
Denn wrote to HusTler <=-
I had the same GF for 3 years in Highschool. There was no pandemic.
I've had the same GF for well over 20 years.
I had the same GF for 3 years in Highschool. There was no pandemic.
I've had the same GF for well over 20 years.
Re: Re: covid
By: Dr. What to MRO on Thu Dec 16 2021 08:06 am
MRO wrote to Denn <=-
so what would you use it for? i dont get why people want these thing you can buy an optiplex on ebay and have something better.
So in my home, I have:
+ Pi0W emulating a Tandy Portable Disk Drive for my Tandy 102.
+ Pi3 as an MP3 player (built into an old radio case).
+ Pi3 as an MP3 player with a touch screen for controls.
+ Pi4 as a NAS, with a second Pi4 as cold standby.
+ Pi4 as a video player on our main TV.
+ Pi3 as a electronics experiment lab (CrowPi 2).
oh, i just use 40-80 dollar optiplexes i get on ebay for that.
i have one running on the tv doing all that media stuff and about 4 in the b
Re: Re: covid
By: MRO to Denn on Fri Dec 17 2021 11:27 pm
i have one running on the tv doing all that media stuff and about MR>> 4 in the basement probably gathering mold.
a Raspberry PI is credit card size, they get used so there is no mold
or dust collecting. :)
eh, still not worth it.
Ok the Raspberry PI isn't for everyone I guess, but I love the two I have.
... Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are.
I don't know about the rest of the world, but here in Europe we have a qui fragile power grid. We have invested heavily in the sort of renewable ener that has trouble producing electrical power at the correct frequency and i correct sync.
Whenever renewable energy comes up in another political forum, some will mention the shortcomings while others attempt to shout them down with "... but in Europe they... " like it is all moonbeams and lollypops over there.
Always nice to get the perspective of someone who actually lives there.
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Re: Re: covid
By: Dumas Walker to ARELOR on Sat Dec 18 2021 10:43 am
I don't know about the rest of the world, but here in Europe we have a quite fragile power grid. We have invested heavily in the sort of renewable energy that has trouble producing electrical power at the correct frequency and in th
correct sync.
Whenever renewable energy comes up in another political forum, some will mention the shortcomings while others attempt to shout them down with ".. but in Europe they... " like it is all moonbeams and lollypops over there
Always nice to get the perspective of someone who actually lives there.
unfortunately, renewable energy is fucking bullshit. i wish it wasn't, but i
it would be great to have some solar panels on the top of the house and not pay electric.
Re: Re: covid
By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Sat Dec 18 2021 01:10 pm
I don't know about the rest of the world, but here in Europe we have >> a quite fragile power grid. We have invested heavily in the sort of
renewable energy that has trouble producing electrical power at the
correct frequency and in th
correct sync.
Whenever renewable energy comes up in another political forum, some
will mention the shortcomings while others attempt to shout them down
with "... but in Europe they... " like it is all moonbeams and
lollypops over there.
Always nice to get the perspective of someone who actually lives there.
unfortunately, renewable energy is fucking bullshit. i wish it wasn't, it is.
Only decent renewable energy is Hydro Electric, Wind mills need wind,
Solar Panels need sun.
... A man attempting to walk around the world DROWNED today..
Re: Re: covid
By: Denn to MRO on Sat Dec 18 2021 10:52 pm
Only decent renewable energy is Hydro Electric, Wind mills need wind, Solar Panels need sun.
and you need falling water for that. and solar panels dont work great every
Re: Re: covid
By: MRO to Arelor on Sun Dec 19 2021 12:43 pm
Re: Re: covid
By: Arelor to Denn on Sun Dec 19 2021 08:53 am
Biomass is quite ok at small escale. You gotta love lighting on the fireplace and enjoying the warmth while readin a book with a glass of bourbon :-)
yeah but doomer is doing that and spending a lot of money.
Because he drinks too much bourbon?
Jokes aside, I have a traditional heating system with a boiler and everythin but I find it convenient to keep it at a lower temperature than I would and just light the fireplace up when I feel like I need it.
This is also a wood producing village so there are tree leftovers for the gr by the road a big part of the year. I would not be able to heat the house on leftovers alone, but as a supporting heating system it gets the job done.
If you are gonna go 19th century style and use wood as the only heating sour you need to go all in, keep the fireplace going all day, and use it for the cooking :-)
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with a 300-550W psu to a less than 15W. I have a few old Optiplexes and Dimensions gave me, but they are older P4 systems that also act as space heaters. A pi or other sbc takes up the space of a pack of cigarettes and are easier to secure to the underside or leg of a desk than a mid tower.
desktop running 24/7 for some tasks unattended. Some of the pc's I had from the early 2000's suffered from swollen capacitors. Some of the linux distros
I use have been moving away from maintaining a 32 bit version, which affects
and you need falling water for that. and solar panels dont work great every
Tidal power generates power filling a resevoir at high tide, then generates when expelling water at low tide.
I had the same GF for 3 years in Highschool. There was no pandemic.
I've had the same GF for well over 20 years.
I purchased the upgrades for mine.
The Fiancee upgrade was expensive, though. Lots of $$$ for the ring.
The Wife upgrade was even more expensive, but you pay on the installment plan.
I had the same GF for 3 years in Highschool. There was no
pandemic.
I've had the same GF for well over 20 years.
Sorry for your loss.
Size and form factor are reasons i like using Pi's and other single board pc's. I can stuff several pi's into a gutted mid-tower case and use it as a tiny rack space.
Power (as in kwh) is another plus when switch from using an older box
with a 300-550W psu to a less than 15W. I have a few old Optiplexes and Dimensions gave me, but they are older P4 systems that also act as space heaters. A pi or other sbc takes up the space of a pack of cigarettes and are easier to secure to the underside or leg of a desk than a mid tower.
From a reliabilty perspective I also ponder whether I trust a 10-20 year old desktop running 24/7 for some tasks unattended. Some of the pc's I had from the early 2000's suffered from swollen capacitors. Some of the linux distro I use have been moving away from maintaining a 32 bit version, which affects the use of some of my older pc's unless I abandon them at a certain release level and shut off updates.
I was looking in solar and wind solutions on my farm, and replacing my roof with panels would allow me to sligthly do better than break even, provided t y last 30 years with minimal maintenance required for the panels and batteries. The price of power will always go up over time, but if it stayed the same over 30 years I would probably take a loss relying on solar in sw Michigan.
pandemic.
I've had the same GF for well over 20 years.
Sorry for your loss.
She's my wife, lol.
Moondog wrote to Denn <=-
height or width of a case. Yesterday I was watching a video where a pfsense box was being built in a 1U rackmount chassis. The hardware
used wasn't the highest end
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Re: Re: covid
By: Moondog to MRO on Thu
Dec 23 2021 01:04 pm
Size and form factor are reasons i like using Pi's and other single board pc's. I can stuff several pi's into a gutted mid-tower case and use it as a tiny rack space.
Power (as in kwh) is another plus when switch from using an older box
with a 300-550W psu to a less than 15W. I have a few old Optiplexes and Dimensions gave me, but they are older P4 systems that also act as space heaters. A pi or other sbc takes up the space of a pack of cigarettes and are easier to secure to the underside or leg of a desk than a mid tower.
From a reliabilty perspective I also ponder whether I trust a 10-20 year old desktop running 24/7 for some tasks unattended. Some of the pc's I had from the early 2000's suffered from swollen capacitors. Some of the linux distro I use have been moving away from maintaining a 32 bit version, which affects the use of some of my older pc's unless I abandon them at a certain release level and shut off updates.
I agree regarding size and power consumption.
Reliability of old hardware does not seem to be an issue here. Swollen capacitors are a problem but I have only suffered fireworks from 15
years old hardware once. I use a lot of 15 years old hardware. A LOT.
Linux distributions dropping support for 32 bit are just an excuse to migrate those machines to OpenBSD or a distribution that still supports
32 bit. I don't blame mainstream distributions for dropping 32 bitr support but there are just many operating systems and distributions
left to use instead.
Re: Re: covid
By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Sat Dec 18 2021 01:10 pm
I don't know about the rest of the world, but here in Europe we have >> a quite fragile power grid. We have invested heavily in the sort of
renewable energy that has trouble producing electrical power at the
correct frequency and in th
correct sync.
Whenever renewable energy comes up in another political forum, some
will mention the shortcomings while others attempt to shout them down
with "... but in Europe they... " like it is all moonbeams and
lollypops over there.
Always nice to get the perspective of someone who actually lives there.
unfortunately, renewable energy is fucking bullshit. i wish it wasn't, but it is
Only decent renewable energy is Hydro Electric, Wind mills need wind,
Solar Panels need sun.
... A man attempting to walk around the world DROWNED today..
Only decent renewable energy is Hydro Electric, Wind mills need wind,
Solar Panels need sun.
that's not the case in africa, the su
the sun is always there, and the wind is in the middle of the ocean. its
I don't know about the rest of the world, but here in Europe we
have a quite fragile power grid. We have invested heavily in the
sort of renewable energy that has trouble producing electrical
power at the correct frequency and in th
correct sync.
that's not the case in africa, the su
the sun is always there, and the wind is in the middle of the ocean. its shit for europe, but its real biz shit for africa. there are no deserts in europe.
Only decent renewable energy is Hydro Electric, Wind mills need wind, Solar Panels need sun.
... A man attempting to walk around the world DROWNED today..
that's not the case in africa, the su
the sun is always there, and the wind is in the middle of the ocean. its shi for europe, but its real biz shit for africa. there are no deserts in europe
Re: Re: covid
By: Nig to Denn on Sat Dec 25 2021 04:04 am
Only decent renewable energy is Hydro Electric, Wind mills need wind,
Solar Panels need sun.
that's not the case in africa, the su
the sun is always there, and the wind is in the middle of the ocean. it
The sun is always there? Even at night?
Nightfox
that's not the case in africa, the su
the sun is always there, and the wind is in the middle of the ocean. its
The sun is always there? Even at night?
Re: Re: covid
By: Moondog to MRO on Thu Dec 23 2021 01:04 pm
with a 300-550W psu to a less than 15W. I have a few old Optiplexes and Dimensions gave me, but they are older P4 systems that also act as space heaters. A pi or other sbc takes up the space of a pack of cigarettes an are easier to secure to the underside or leg of a desk than a mid tower.
yeah those are poorly made and create a lot of heat. i had one that would ju
desktop running 24/7 for some tasks unattended. Some of the pc's I had f the early 2000's suffered from swollen capacitors. Some of the linux distros
I use have been moving away from maintaining a 32 bit version, which affe
that stuff should have exploded by now and you should have probably tossed i
Re: Re: covid
By: Moondog to MRO on Thu Dec 23 2021 01:50 pm
and you need falling water for that. and solar panels dont work great every
Tidal power generates power filling a resevoir at high tide, then generat when expelling water at low tide.
didnt' i just say that?
Re: Re: covid
By: Moondog to MRO on Thu Dec 23 2021 01:04 pm
Size and form factor are reasons i like using Pi's and other single board pc's. I can stuff several pi's into a gutted mid-tower case and use it a tiny rack space.
Power (as in kwh) is another plus when switch from using an older box with a 300-550W psu to a less than 15W. I have a few old Optiplexes and Dimensions gave me, but they are older P4 systems that also act as space heaters. A pi or other sbc takes up the space of a pack of cigarettes an are easier to secure to the underside or leg of a desk than a mid tower.
From a reliabilty perspective I also ponder whether I trust a 10-20 year desktop running 24/7 for some tasks unattended. Some of the pc's I had f the early 2000's suffered from swollen capacitors. Some of the linux dis I use have been moving away from maintaining a 32 bit version, which affe the use of some of my older pc's unless I abandon them at a certain relea level and shut off updates.
I agree regarding size and power consumption.
Reliability of old hardware does not seem to be an issue here. Swollen capacitors are a problem but I have only suffered fireworks from 15 years ol hardware once. I use a lot of 15 years old hardware. A LOT.
Linux distributions dropping support for 32 bit are just an excuse to migrat those machines to OpenBSD or a distribution that still supports 32 bit. I do blame mainstream distributions for dropping 32 bitr support but there are ju many operating systems and distributions left to use instead.
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Re: Re: covid
By: Moondog to MRO on Thu Dec 23 2021 01:43 pm
I was looking in solar and wind solutions on my farm, and replacing my ro with panels would allow me to sligthly do better than break even, provide y last 30 years with minimal maintenance required for the panels and batteries. The price of power will always go up over time, but if it sta the same over 30 years I would probably take a loss relying on solar in s Michigan.
With current prices, you can break even with solar quite reliably, IMO.
The problem with solar nowadays is not the price, because if you can afford it is more cost effective than grid supply.
The problem with solar is the reliability of the power supply you get instea If you get more cloudy days than your power storage can support, your power goes down. If a single panel in a solar array has an issue, the array goes down. If you attempt to power multiple machines with moving parts at once us a cheap solar kit, you are unlikely to be able to power them on.
These problems can be solved throwing money at them, but most installers aro here seem focused on selling you a cheap solar deployment instead of one tha will keep the milking machines running no matter what.
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Moondog wrote to Denn <=-
height or width of a case. Yesterday I was watching a video where a pfsense box was being built in a 1U rackmount chassis. The hardware used wasn't the highest end
pfSense doesn't require a lot of hardware to move packets. I have a decommissioned pfSense box at work, and looked under the hood. In a 2U box was a desktop mobo with a core 2 duo and 2 GB of RAM. It handled 3 networks, OpenVPN and DNS/DHCP just fine.
... When in doubt, predict that the trend will continue.
Arelor wrote to Moondog <=-
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Re: Re: covid
By: Moondog to MRO on Thu
Dec 23 2021 01:04 pm
Size and form factor are reasons i like using Pi's and other single board pc's. I can stuff several pi's into a gutted mid-tower case and use it a tiny rack space.
Power (as in kwh) is another plus when switch from using an older box with a 300-550W psu to a less than 15W. I have a few old Optiplexes and Dimensions gave me, but they are older P4 systems that also act as space heaters. A pi or other sbc takes up the space of a pack of cigarettes an are easier to secure to the underside or leg of a desk than a mid tower.
From a reliabilty perspective I also ponder whether I trust a 10-20 year desktop running 24/7 for some tasks unattended. Some of the pc's I had f the early 2000's suffered from swollen capacitors. Some of the linux dis I use have been moving away from maintaining a 32 bit version, which affe the use of some of my older pc's unless I abandon them at a certain relea level and shut off updates.
I agree regarding size and power consumption.
Reliability of old hardware does not seem to be an issue here. Swollen capacitors are a problem but I have only suffered fireworks from 15 years old hardware once. I use a lot of 15 years old hardware. A LOT.
Linux distributions dropping support for 32 bit are just an excuse to migrate those machines to OpenBSD or a distribution that still supports 32 bit. I don't blame mainstream distributions for dropping 32 bitr support but there are just many operating systems and distributions left to use instead.
Debian still supports 32 bit, as do a few others I think, like Q4OS. I've g 25+ year old hardware that still works just fine.
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Re: Re: covid
By: Nig to Denn on Sat Dec 25 2021 04:04 am
Only decent renewable energy is Hydro Electric, Wind mills need wind,
Solar Panels need sun.
that's not the case in africa, the su
the sun is always there, and the wind is in the middle of the ocean. it
The sun is always there? Even at night?
Nightfox
Only decent renewable energy is Hydro Electric, Wind mills need wind,
Solar Panels need sun.
that's not the case in africa, the su
the sun is always there, and the wind is in the middle of the ocean.
its
The sun is always there? Even at night?
At the time I stored them, they were still good for something. I'm a hoarder and have trouble getting rid of stuff that is operational. The problem is old doesn't always mean obsolete. Practical, well that's another story!
It is not a wise policy to keep all your eggs in one basket. Coal and gas are not going away, but can be made nearly twice as efficient without taking away from the profit margin. Wind and solar are better off as additions to the power strategy rather than replacements. We have several smaller hydro plants in my area that were made over 100 years ago, and they are quite capable of putting out more power, but are throttled down to regulate the lake and river levels. The nail in the coffin for nuclear was when Yucca Mountain was axed. The local nuclear plants had to re-purpose land reserved for newer reactors to be used for onsite cask storage now. Even after the plants are decomissioned, a new home for the spent rods is not guaranteed.
It's like everyone wants to buy into all or nothing deals without looking at how it impacts people in the worst ways.
that's not the case in africa, the su
the sun is always there, and the wind is in the middle of the
ocean. its
The sun is always there? Even at night?
yes, captain autistic, that is what he meant.
that's not the case in africa, the su
the sun is always there, and the wind is in the middle of the
ocean. its
The sun is always there? Even at night?
yes, captain autistic, that is what he meant.
Do you seriously think I thought he meant that literally?
Re: Re: covid
By: Moondog to MRO on Sat Dec 25 2021 08:34 pm
At the time I stored them, they were still good for something. I'm a hoarder and have trouble getting rid of stuff that is operational. The problem is old doesn't always mean obsolete. Practical, well that's anot story!
donate it.
then you get rid of your junk and it has a purpose.
donate it.
then you get rid of your junk and it has a purpose.
Very true. Best way to appeal to a hoarder is tell them to give someone else
a chance to enjoy your treasures
Also, toilet paper was low in stock everywhere, not just Wal Mart. Last year, many stores in my area were low or out of toilet paper. I'm not sure why people were horading so much toilet paper though - Was everyone worried about suddenly getting diarrhea?
There are a lot of theories about the TP shortages. Here's one rational explanation:
https://americanvision.org/22711/the-economics-of-toilet-paper/
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we have a bidet though, so we dont use toilet paper. TP is gross.
Re: Re: covid
By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon Dec 13 2021 01:32 pm
we have a bidet though, so we dont use toilet paper. TP is gross.
I've never had an opportunity to use a toilet with a bidet. I've been curious to try one.
donate it.
then you get rid of your junk and it has a purpose.
Very true. Best way to appeal to a hoarder is tell them to give
someone else
a chance to enjoy your treasures
it's hard to turn around a true hoarder. it's probably impossible. they feel like they might need the objects later on. the truth is, they are pro
There are a lot of theories about the TP shortages. Here's one
rational explanation:
https://americanvision.org/22711/the-economics-of-toilet-paper/
--
digital man (rob)
also interesting that they bring up the dairy farmer thing.
"Milk packaging for homes is different. Retooling to meet a different demand takes time. What could the dairy farmers do with the extra milk? All they could do was dump it since their normal delivery channels had changed. As you know, there is an expiration date for milk."
we have a bidet though, so we dont use toilet paper. TP is gross.
How do you dry your ass after using the bidet?
Re: Re: covid
By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon Dec 13 2021 01:32 pm
we have a bidet though, so we dont use toilet paper. TP is gross.
How do you dry your ass after using the bidet?
it's hard to turn around a true hoarder. it's probably impossible. they feel like they might need the objects later on. the truth is, they are pro
My step father was the worst hoarder Ive ever seen, He had 4 properties full of usless crap that he would never sell or use.
After he died all the metal got scraped then all the other crap got junked.
All they could do was dump it since their normal delivery channels had changed. As you know, there is an expiration date for milk."
Excess Milk gets freeze dried and turned into powder, from there you can rehydrate it or cook with it.
Excess Milk gets freeze dried and turned into powder, from there you can rehydrate it or cook with it.
Re: Re: covid
By: Digital Man to MRO on Fri Dec 31 2021 04:43 pm
Re: Re: covid
By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon Dec 13 2021 01:32 pm
we have a bidet though, so we dont use toilet paper. TP is gross.
How do you dry your ass after using the bidet?
i use a towel or let it air dry. my whole ass doesnt get covered in water.
Mine came with a hot air blower. For real.
i use a towel or let it air dry. my whole ass doesnt get covered in water.
I hope you don't wipe your face or hands with that same towel. *that* would be gross.
i use a towel or let it air dry. my whole ass doesnt get covered in
water.
I hope you don't wipe your face or hands with that same towel. *that*
would be gross.
my butt is totally clean, so whats the difference.
I hope you don't wipe your face or hands with that same towel. *that*
would be gross.
my butt is totally clean, so whats the difference.
Who would wipe their ass on a towel then wipe their face or use it after a shower, I'll stick to the TP, bidet sounds like a fecal germ spreader.
Who would wipe their ass on a towel then wipe their face or use it after a shower, I'll stick to the TP, bidet sounds like a fecal germ spreader.
I hope you don't wipe your face or hands with that same towel. *that*
would be gross.
my butt is totally clean, so whats the difference.
I hope you don't wipe your face or hands with that same towel.
*that* would be gross.
my butt is totally clean, so whats the difference.
Who would wipe their ass on a towel then wipe their face or use it
after a shower, I'll stick to the TP, bidet sounds like a fecal germ
spreader.
i usually just air dry it.
when you use a bidet your entire ass isnt soaking in water. nor do you need to dry off.
my ass is probably cleaner than your face.
all my past girlfriends would actually comment on how clean i am downstairs, also.
toilet paper is fucking disgusting.
Who would wipe their ass on a towel then wipe their face or use it
after a shower, I'll stick to the TP, bidet sounds like a fecal germ
spreader.
I wouldn't wipe my hands/face with the same thing I use to wipe my butt.. I've been curious to try a bidet though. I've been curious if a bidet can clean faster and better than using toilet paper.
Re: Re: covid
By: Denn to MRO on Sun Jan 02 2022 02:00 pm
Who would wipe their ass on a towel then wipe their face or use it after a shower, I'll stick to the TP, bidet sounds like a fecal germ spreader.
I wouldn't wipe my hands/face with the same thing I use to wipe my butt.. I've been curious to try a bidet though. I've been curious if a bidet can clean faster and better than using toilet paper.
Nightfox
Re: Re: covid
By: MRO to Digital Man on Sun Jan 02 2022 12:00 am
I hope you don't wipe your face or hands with that same towel. *that*
would be gross.
my butt is totally clean, so whats the difference.
How do you know your butt is totally clean? Do you use soap on your
butt?
If your bidet is just rinsing your butt with water and no soap, then I don't think I'd consider it totally clean..
i usually just air dry it.
when you use a bidet your entire ass isnt soaking in water. nor do you need to dry off.
I still think I'll use the charmin.
my ass is probably cleaner than your face.
all my past girlfriends would actually comment on how clean i am downstairs, also.
I doubt that lol on both points.
butt.. I've been curious to try a bidet though. I've been curious if a bidet can clean faster and better than using toilet paper.
Same, if I dried my butt with a towel that towel gets washed, would the bidet be warm or cold water I wonder?
I hope you don't wipe your face or hands with that same towel.
*that* would be gross.
my butt is totally clean, so whats the difference.
How do you know your butt is totally clean? Do you use soap on your
butt?
If your bidet is just rinsing your butt with water and no soap, then I
don't think I'd consider it totally clean..
soap just helps things get cleaner by helping dirt slide off.
i can powerwash my car with water and get it clean. with a bidet you are power washing your ass.
how do i know my butt is totally clean? because there's no shit on it.
and i don't smell like shit. you dont really get clean enough with toilet paper. all you are doing is wiping it around until there's a minimal amount detectable by you.
and i don't smell like shit. you dont really get clean enough with toilet paper. all you are doing is wiping it around until there's a minimal amount detectable by you.
There are also flushable wipes that would probably be better than TP or a Bidet.
you dont really NEED to dry. it's not like there's a firehose blasting
at your entire ass and you are soaked.
On 03 Jan 2022, MRO said the following...
you dont really NEED to dry. it's not like there's a firehose blasting at your entire ass and you are soaked.
Personally, I'm having a hard time figuring out how I'd get clean *without* a power wash / firehose blasting crap everywhere. The only bidet I've ever seen in use had a fairly slow flow, like a drinking fountain.
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Personally, I'm having a hard time figuring out how I'd get clean *without* power wash / firehose blasting crap everywhere. The only bidet I've ever se in use had a fairly slow flow, like a drinking fountain.
I'm glad you said "like a drinking fountain" and not "a drinking fountain".
Re: Re: covid
By: Greenlfc to MRO on Tue Jan 04 2022 06:04 am
Personally, I'm having a hard time figuring out how I'd get clean *without* power wash / firehose blasting crap everywhere. The only bidet I've ever se in use had a fairly slow flow, like a drinking fountain.
I'm glad you said "like a drinking fountain" and not "a drinking fountain".
There are also flushable wipes that would probably be better than TP or a Bidet.Yes, Dollar Shave Club sells some of them.
There are also flushable wipes that would probably be better than TP or a Bidet.Yes, Dollar Shave Club sells some of them.
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