I have yet to see convincing evidence that any "more efficient layout" is mor

>efficient. Further, the key placement of QWERTY was designed to separate
>letters commonly used together to avoid jams. By avoiding jams, the speed
>increased.

Jamming on typewriters with letters perched on the ends of 'arms'..
It's been proven that different keyboard layouts are significantly
faster on machines where jamming mechanical keys is not an issue but
we stick with them, primarily because they still teach touch-typing
using that layout and noone wants to just say.. stop.. from now on
let's use this, and hope industry changes a gazillion keyboards to
accomodate the next gen of typists..

Somewhere in the distant past I read a book by Dean Koontz and he
wrote about 50 pages in the back of that book describing his
experiments with different keyboard layouts and his own results.
He definitely got better speeds with alternatives to QWERTY on a
computer or word processor where jammed keys aren't an issue.

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I direct "brain to computer" interface would be good. First basic text, then

>images, sound and movies. I have interfaces my mind with a computer and used
>thought to "type" onto the screen. Quite cumbersome, quite a way to go yet.

Reading all the comments on this my thinking is that in the not too
distant future touch screens will be more common and voice input will
replace most keyboard input. Although it all exists now it needs a lot
of work to be reliable enough and software has to be changed to require
fewer commands and use gestures to do the same work since, using touch,
you don't have the, count as you will, 3 to 6 or 7 'buttons' from your
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Re: Anyone Tried Windows 8?
By: ROB MCCART to BORAXMAN on Thu Oct 20 2011 05:00 pm

I direct "brain to computer" interface would be good. First basic text,

>images, sound and movies. I have interfaces my mind with a computer and
>thought to "type" onto the screen. Quite cumbersome, quite a way to go y

Reading all the comments on this my thinking is that in the not too
distant future touch screens will be more common and voice input will replace most keyboard input. Although it all exists now it needs a lot
of work to be reliable enough and software has to be changed to require fewer commands and use gestures to do the same work since, using touch,
you don't have the, count as you will, 3 to 6 or 7 'buttons' from your
mouse available to 'modify' a click.

My wife would hate to have me constantly talking to the PC while she's trying to watch TV. Could you imagine some guy just saying

"Grep space dash arr space quote alloc dot aich quote space star"


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Re: Anyone Tried Windows 8?
By: Boraxman to ROB MCCART on Sat Oct 22 2011 10:24 pm

My wife would hate to have me constantly talking to the PC while
she's tryin to watch TV. Could you imagine some guy just saying

"Grep space dash arr space quote alloc dot aich quote space star"

That's why I'm pretty sure keyboards aren't going away soon--at least for people whose job it is to write all that software that's touched and shouted at.

Then again, if voice recognition takes off, maybe a more verbose language (COBOL?) will start becoming popular? :)

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Re: Anyone Tried Windows 8?
By: Boraxman to ROB MCCART on Sat Oct 22 2011 10:24 pm

to watch TV. Could you imagine some guy just saying

"Grep space dash arr space quote alloc dot aich quote space star"

That's where natural language interfaces come into play. Command lines were meant for keyboards; extending that to a voice interface wouldn't take advantage of voice input.

"Show me all files with alloc.h in the name"

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Re: Anyone Tried Windows 8?
By: ROB MCCART to DEUCE on Thu Oct 20 2011 05:03 pm

It's been proven that different keyboard layouts are significantly
faster on machines where jamming mechanical keys is not an issue but
we stick with them, primarily because they still teach touch-typing
using that layout and noone wants to just say.. stop.. from now on
let's use this, and hope industry changes a gazillion keyboards to accomodate the next gen of typists..

It's also been disproven (by the US government IIRC).

If you have a reference to a real study which post-dates the US (navy?) one, I'd be interested in seeing it. Perferably with a sample size greater than one.

He definitely got better speeds with alternatives to QWERTY on a
computer or word processor where jammed keys aren't an issue.

I attempted to reproduce those results with Dvorak and failed. It's not worth me retraining myself unless there is a measured improvement... I don't have time to experiment.

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Re: Anyone Tried Windows 8?
By: ROB MCCART to BORAXMAN on Thu Oct 20 2011 05:00 pm

replace most keyboard input. Although it all exists now it needs a lot
of work to be reliable enough and software has to be changed to require fewer commands and use gestures to do the same work since, using touch,
you don't have the, count as you will, 3 to 6 or 7 'buttons' from your
mouse available to 'modify' a click.

So software needs to be modified to do less because the new interfaces will not allow as many different actions to be taken?

Seriously? Why would that be the wave of the future exactly?

I'll grant that computing appliances will get simpler and simpler interfaces as they perform fewer and fewer tasks, but computers won't.

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Re: Anyone Tried Windows 8?
By: Poindexter Fortran to Boraxman on Sat Oct 22 2011 08:55 am

"Grep space dash arr space quote alloc dot aich quote space star"

That's where natural language interfaces come into play. Command lines were meant for keyboards; extending that to a voice interface wouldn't take advantage of voice input.

"Show me all files with alloc.h in the name"

Not precise enough (or correct)
The command is:
grep -r "alloc.h" *

So "Show me all files in here containing alloc.h"

You described:
locate alloc.h

Which is completely different. English would be a bad choice to interact with the computer though due to its imprecision.

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Quoting Deuce to Rob Mccart <=-

It's been proven that different keyboard layouts are significantly
faster on machines where jamming mechanical keys is not an issue but
we stick with them, primarily because they still teach touch-typing
using that layout and noone wants to just say.. stop.. from now on
let's use this, and hope industry changes a gazillion keyboards to accomodate the next gen of typists..

It's also been disproven (by the US government IIRC).

If I were really motivated, I'd like to hunt down some of the numbers on
both sides of this. I wonder if the fact that people have been typing on
QWERTY keyboards for untold years (as opposed to a finite length of time
on alternate keyboard layouts for the purposes of a study) has much impact.

If you have a reference to a real study which post-dates the US
(navy?) one,I'd be interested in seeing it. Perferably with a sample
size greater thanone.

I remember something a while back similar to the DataHand keyboard that
claimed average typing speeds of over 100 WPM, but it had a very steep
learning curve. If someone could come up with a one-handed version of
that device that was as efficient (so as to leave the mouse hand available)
I would jump right on board.

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Re: Anyone Tried Windows 8?
By: Reverend Shaft to DEUCE on Sat Oct 22 2011 07:38 pm

I remember something a while back similar to the DataHand keyboard that claimed average typing speeds of over 100 WPM, but it had a very steep learning curve. If someone could come up with a one-handed version of
that device that was as efficient (so as to leave the mouse hand available) I would jump right on board.

Interestingly, the DataHand keyboard uses the QWERTY layout. The case studies seem to all focus on the ergonomic benefits, not speed... which ends up being a speed benefit after the 2-3 hour period where fatigue slows you down.

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It's been proven that different keyboard layouts are significantly

> > faster on machines where jamming mechanical keys is not an issue but
> > we stick with them, primarily because they still teach touch-typing
> > using that layout and noone wants to just say.. stop.. from now on
> > let's use this, and hope industry changes a gazillion keyboards to
> > accomodate the next gen of typists..

It's also been disproven (by the US government IIRC).

If you have a reference to a real study which post-dates the US (navy?) one,

>I'd be interested in seeing it. Perferably with a sample size greater than
>one.

Well, being one that types with 2 (4?) fingers I'm not the best judge..
I 'assumed' that someone who types for a living and bothered to take
the time to tell all of his readers how much faster other keyboard
layouts were knew better that I did, plus what he said repeated what
I'd heard in several other places, that the QWERTY layout was chosen
to reduce the jamming of keys, not for the very best speed.
A compromise, if you will.. But it would take a long time to
retrain yourself to be faster with another layout so no quick test
will tell you much.

Check out Dvorak keyboard layout online.. tons of articles that
say why it's so much faster and quotes like, "The QWERTY keyboard
layout 99% of Americans use is clumsy and awkward.."
(With Dvorak..) "..The typing is split more equally between your
hands, which means you can type faster."

This rings a bell as either the one Dean Koontz settled on as
the fastest or as one he tested while looking.. If I recall he
made a slight modification to this setup to suit himself..

I suppose the best plan though is to use what's best for you.
As I said, I type using 2 to 4 fingers and when I was still
in school typing up long reports my mother used to say she
couldn't always tell if it were me or my sister typing, and
my sister took typing and had qualified at 40 wpm..

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replace most keyboard input. Although it all exists now it needs a lot

> > of work to be reliable enough and software has to be changed to require
> > fewer commands and use gestures to do the same work since, using touch,
> > you don't have the, count as you will, 3 to 6 or 7 'buttons' from your
> > mouse available to 'modify' a click.

So software needs to be modified to do less because the new interfaces will n

>allow as many different actions to be taken?

Seriously? Why would that be the wave of the future exactly?

No.. softweare will have to be modified to do more with fewer commands
or to substitute voice commands for special keys.

And I'm not suggesting this will work for people who pound away on
keyboards all day writing code or books or letters from scratch.
But those who use more mouse than keyboard may find things changed
in the future.. Look at the fake setups they show now on TV shows
where they do almost everything by touch on a holographic 'monitor'
like NCIS LA. That's more the future I'm thinking we'll see before
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Re: Anyone Tried Windows 8?
By: ROB MCCART to DEUCE on Mon Oct 24 2011 05:08 pm

Well, being one that types with 2 (4?) fingers I'm not the best judge..
I 'assumed' that someone who types for a living and bothered to take
the time to tell all of his readers how much faster other keyboard
layouts were knew better that I did, plus what he said repeated what
I'd heard in several other places, that the QWERTY layout was chosen
to reduce the jamming of keys, not for the very best speed.

Well, the reason to reduce the jamming was so you could type faster... it just happened that the largest slow down came from the jamming, not the ability of typists to learn. While other mroe efficient layouts could have been designed, there was never any real evidence that they resulted in a speed increase.

Check out Dvorak keyboard layout online.. tons of articles that
say why it's so much faster and quotes like, "The QWERTY keyboard
layout 99% of Americans use is clumsy and awkward.."
(With Dvorak..) "..The typing is split more equally between your
hands, which means you can type faster."

Except it doesn't acually mean that. Speed and hand split are two different things. Scientific studies have shown no real improvement.

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Too-fast typists is also the reason why the telephone touch-tone keypad is backwards compared to an adding machine 10-key keypad.

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Re: Anyone Tried Windows 8?
By: Boraxman to ROB MCCART on Sat Oct 22 2011 22:24:18

Re: Anyone Tried Windows 8?
By: ROB MCCART to BORAXMAN on Thu Oct 20 2011 05:00 pm

I direct "brain to computer" interface would be good. First basic tex

>images, sound and movies. I have interfaces my mind with a computer a
>thought to "type" onto the screen. Quite cumbersome, quite a way to g

Reading all the comments on this my thinking is that in the not too distant future touch screens will be more common and voice input will replace most keyboard input. Although it all exists now it needs a lot
of work to be reliable enough and software has to be changed to require fewer commands and use gestures to do the same work since, using touch, you don't have the, count as you will, 3 to 6 or 7 'buttons' from your mouse available to 'modify' a click.

My wife would hate to have me constantly talking to the PC while she's tryin to watch TV. Could you imagine some guy just saying

"Grep space dash arr space quote alloc dot aich quote space star"

I think the voice command stuff is going at it backwards. The industry should not be starting small but big. I would much rather walk into my home and say "computer, turn on t.v" instead of pulling out my cell phone and yakking w/Iris or Siri (your OS flavor will vary). Really, did Star Trek staff talk to their datapads or tricorders? It is a total misinterpretation of sci-fi technology that people have had driven into their minds for decades. ...and, imo, this attempt is only going to be a let down and become a crude novelty that really might be more work than it is worth - time wise.

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Re: Anyone Tried Windows 8?
By: Purple Nurple to Boraxman on Sat Oct 22 2011 12:41:13

Re: Anyone Tried Windows 8?
By: Boraxman to ROB MCCART on Sat Oct 22 2011 10:24 pm

My wife would hate to have me constantly talking to the PC while
she's tryin to watch TV. Could you imagine some guy just saying

"Grep space dash arr space quote alloc dot aich quote space star"

That's why I'm pretty sure keyboards aren't going away soon--at least for people whose job it is to write all that software that's touched and shouted at.

Then again, if voice recognition takes off, maybe a more verbose language (COBOL?) will start becoming popular? :)

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Re: Anyone Tried Windows 8?
By: Deuce to ROB MCCART on Sat Oct 22 2011 15:22:45

Re: Anyone Tried Windows 8?
By: ROB MCCART to DEUCE on Thu Oct 20 2011 05:03 pm

It's been proven that different keyboard layouts are significantly
faster on machines where jamming mechanical keys is not an issue but
we stick with them, primarily because they still teach touch-typing
using that layout and noone wants to just say.. stop.. from now on
let's use this, and hope industry changes a gazillion keyboards to accomodate the next gen of typists..

It's also been disproven (by the US government IIRC).

If you have a reference to a real study which post-dates the US (navy?) one, I'd be interested in seeing it. Perferably with a sample size greater than one.

He definitely got better speeds with alternatives to QWERTY on a
computer or word processor where jammed keys aren't an issue.

I attempted to reproduce those results with Dvorak and failed. It's not wor me retraining myself unless there is a measured improvement... I don't have time to experiment.

Funny how a device taylored around a travelling salesman has shaped the world. All the letters required to spell 'typewriter' are on the first row. That is all the travelling sales person needed to know to sell a typewriter via demonstration.

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Re: Anyone Tried Windows 8?
By: Deuce to ROB MCCART on Sat Oct 22 2011 15:25:05

replace most keyboard input. Although it all exists now it needs a lot
of work to be reliable enough and software has to be changed to require fewer commands and use gestures to do the same work since, using touch, you don't have the, count as you will, 3 to 6 or 7 'buttons' from your mouse available to 'modify' a click.

So software needs to be modified to do less because the new interfaces will allow as many different actions to be taken?

Seriously? Why would that be the wave of the future exactly?

I'll grant that computing appliances will get simpler and simpler interfaces they perform fewer and fewer tasks, but computers won't.

I can not wait to write a 20 page page paper by waving my arms in the air. Man, citing is going to be a blast!

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Re: Anyone Tried Windows 8?
By: Deuce to Poindexter Fortran on Sat Oct 22 2011 15:29:09

"Grep space dash arr space quote alloc dot aich quote space star"

That's where natural language interfaces come into play. Command lines we meant for keyboards; extending that to a voice interface wouldn't take advantage of voice input.

"Show me all files with alloc.h in the name"

Not precise enough (or correct)
The command is:
grep -r "alloc.h" *

So "Show me all files in here containing alloc.h"

You described:
locate alloc.h

Which is completely different. English would be a bad choice to interact wi the computer though due to its imprecision.

I would use `grep -R alloc.h *`.

yeah, locate is different. That is used to look things up in the slocate database.

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Re: Anyone Tried Windows 8?
By: ROB MCCART to DEUCE on Mon Oct 24 2011 17:13:00

No.. softweare will have to be modified to do more with fewer commands
or to substitute voice commands for special keys.

define special.

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Re: Anyone Tried Windows 8?
By: Deuce to ROB MCCART on Wed Oct 26 2011 00:31:14

I'd heard in several other places, that the QWERTY layout was chosen
to reduce the jamming of keys, not for the very best speed.

Actually, the keyboard was setup so all the keys that spelt "typewriter" was on the top row. This made it easier for the travelling saleman, and who ever wanted to sell typewriters at the time, look as if it was easy to use. All the salesperson needed to do was to demonstrate typing and what better way than to type the word "typewriter" fast! All the salesman needs to know is the keys to make a sale are on the top row.

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Re: Anyone Tried Windows 8?
By: elm to ROB MCCART on Fri Oct 28 2011 08:16 pm

Re: Anyone Tried Windows 8?
By: ROB MCCART to DEUCE on Mon Oct 24 2011 17:13:00

No.. softweare will have to be modified to do more with fewer commands
or to substitute voice commands for special keys.

define special.

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Re: Anyone Tried Windows 8?
By: elm to Boraxman on Fri Oct 28 2011 07:52 pm

I think the voice command stuff is going at it backwards. The industry should not be starting small but big. I would much rather walk into my
home and say "computer, turn on t.v" instead of pulling out my cell phone

Yeay, that might work except it's a clumsy interface for everything except turning it on and off... channel selection and volume control for example.

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Re: Anyone Tried Windows 8?
By: elm to Boraxman on Fri Oct 28 2011 07:52 pm

Re: Anyone Tried Windows 8?
By: Boraxman to ROB MCCART on Sat Oct 22 2011 22:24:18

Re: Anyone Tried Windows 8?
By: ROB MCCART to BORAXMAN on Thu Oct 20 2011 05:00 pm

I direct "brain to computer" interface would be good. First basic

>images, sound and movies. I have interfaces my mind with a compute
>thought to "type" onto the screen. Quite cumbersome, quite a way t

Reading all the comments on this my thinking is that in the not too distant future touch screens will be more common and voice input will replace most keyboard input. Although it all exists now it needs a lot of work to be reliable enough and software has to be changed to requir fewer commands and use gestures to do the same work since, using touch you don't have the, count as you will, 3 to 6 or 7 'buttons' from your mouse available to 'modify' a click.

My wife would hate to have me constantly talking to the PC while she's tr to watch TV. Could you imagine some guy just saying

"Grep space dash arr space quote alloc dot aich quote space star"

I think the voice command stuff is going at it backwards. The industry shou not be starting small but big. I would much rather walk into my home and sa "computer, turn on t.v" instead of pulling out my cell phone and yakking w/I or Siri (your OS flavor will vary). Really, did Star Trek staff talk to the datapads or tricorders? It is a total misinterpretation of sci-fi technolog that people have had driven into their minds for decades. ...and, imo, this attempt is only going to be a let down and become a crude novelty that reall might be more work than it is worth - time wise.

bbs.echto.net

SCI FI was just there to make tech look good. But because industry cannot innovate, or think independantly, they just slavishly copy what they see on TV.

I turn on the TV by pressing just one button. It's kind of easy. I hate to think that an entire exponential increase in computing power is used, merely to eliminate a few button presses. Just imagine, at the moment, an enourmous, incredible amount of human potential and energy, is used in order to eliminate a few button presses.

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Re: Anyone Tried Windows 8?
By: elm to Deuce on Fri Oct 28 2011 08:15 pm

Re: Anyone Tried Windows 8?
By: Deuce to Poindexter Fortran on Sat Oct 22 2011 15:29:09

"Grep space dash arr space quote alloc dot aich quote space star"

That's where natural language interfaces come into play. Command lines meant for keyboards; extending that to a voice interface wouldn't take advantage of voice input.

"Show me all files with alloc.h in the name"

Not precise enough (or correct)
The command is:
grep -r "alloc.h" *

So "Show me all files in here containing alloc.h"

You described:
locate alloc.h

Which is completely different. English would be a bad choice to interact the computer though due to its imprecision.

I would use `grep -R alloc.h *`.

yeah, locate is different. That is used to look things up in the slocate database.

bbs.echto.net

What about this sort of voice interaction.

Here are 6 random number between 1 and 45. Please note that there are not going to be duplicates. Now, what I want you to do, is see how many of these numbers I give you next, are in the 6 numbers I'll give you later.

OK? Now here they are. 6, 45, 34, 15, 16,4. Got that? OK. Here are the others. 1,35,36,23,12,3. OK? No. The last 6.... LAST 6. No, not 6. OK. Let me try again. Take these six numbers. No. forget all those numbers. Forget the last 6, no wait 12. No, dont wait for 12 seconds. CANCEL!
Oh, forget it.

It will be like having to explain to someone what a program should do, than writing it yourself. For simple stuff, voice commands would be good, but I'd hate to interact vocally with a computer program written in Bangalore, trying to understand EXACTLY what I'm telling it to do.


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Re: Anyone Tried Windows 8?
By: elm to Purple Nurple on Fri Oct 28 2011 07:55 pm

HA! COBOL! How about RPG2! Remember the IBM360s and DataGeneral MV15000s? good times! How about those hurkin laser printers that were the size of a Toyota Prius!

I don't remember laser printers that big, but I worked in midrange systems shops where we had 2 floor-standing 11x17 line printers that required care and feeding. Reams of greenbar 11x17 paper, lots of chad flying everywhere.

Part of my job back then was running reports for a bookstore inventory and financial system - set the jobs running, then dial into my favorite BBSes while the printer churns away.

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I think the voice command stuff is going at it backwards. The industry shoul

>not be starting small but big. I would much rather walk into my home and say
>"computer, turn on t.v" instead of pulling out my cell phone and yakking w/Ir
>or Siri (your OS flavor will vary). Really, did Star Trek staff talk to thei
>datapads or tricorders? It is a total misinterpretation of sci-fi technology
>that people have had driven into their minds for decades. ...and, imo, this
>attempt is only going to be a let down and become a crude novelty that really
>might be more work than it is worth - time wise.

Your idea about, "computer, turn on t.v" is more what I was thinking
about. Simple commands could easily be voice controlled. Typing long
pages of code or text, not so easily maybe, or at least you'd need
a heck of a spell checker to watch over things.

Later versions of Star Trek they did use a lot of voice commands.
They'd often start a sentence with "Computer!" and give a command.
Using the 'elevator' transport units comes to mind...
In the original they had a 'joy stick' to control the elevator.
Later generations used voice commands. "Computer!.. Bridge.."

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No.. software will have to be modified to do more with fewer commands

> > or to substitute voice commands for special keys.

define special.

A right click (or other button) on the mouse ?
Pop up the main menu by saying "Menu" ?..
"Computer.. Task Manager.. End [program]", sort of thing.
Navigating could be tricky to make it any faster though...
Up.. up.. right.. up.. right.. execute..

But not all 'improvements' work out faster or easier for everything.
They do some things better or they wouldn't catch on but not all.
i.e.. Some jobs on the computer I do totally with the mouse..
Well written software these days is usually optomized to use it.
But when doing e-mail I find it faster to use keyboard shortcuts
instead since you're already using the keyboard anyways to reply.
It's faster using the keyboard for everything than going back and forth..
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Re: Anyone Tried Windows 8?
By: ROB MCCART to ELM on Mon Oct 31 2011 05:02 pm

No.. software will have to be modified to do more with fewer commands

> > or to substitute voice commands for special keys.

define special.

A right click (or other button) on the mouse ?
Pop up the main menu by saying "Menu" ?..
"Computer.. Task Manager.. End [program]", sort of thing.
Navigating could be tricky to make it any faster though...
Up.. up.. right.. up.. right.. execute..

But not all 'improvements' work out faster or easier for everything.
They do some things better or they wouldn't catch on but not all.
i.e.. Some jobs on the computer I do totally with the mouse..
Well written software these days is usually optomized to use it.
But when doing e-mail I find it faster to use keyboard shortcuts
instead since you're already using the keyboard anyways to reply.
It's faster using the keyboard for everything than going back and forth..

I still maintain that most "improvements" are purely some form of contemporary icing for marketing reasons. ie, what will sell, rather than what will advance the cause of technology and add to human capability.



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Re: Anyone Tried Windows 8?
By: Corey to elm on Sat Oct 29 2011 09:18:33

No.. softweare will have to be modified to do more with fewer commands or to substitute voice commands for special keys.

define special.

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Re: Anyone Tried Windows 8?
By: Boraxman to elm on Sun Oct 30 2011 21:01:57

I turn on the TV by pressing just one button. It's kind of easy. I hate to think that an entire exponential increase in computing power is used, merely eliminate a few button presses. Just imagine, at the moment, an enourmous, incredible amount of human potential and energy, is used in order to elimina a few button presses.

Unfortunately I think that is what is happening.

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Re: Anyone Tried Windows 8?
By: elm to Boraxman on Fri Nov 04 2011 04:30 pm

Re: Anyone Tried Windows 8?
By: Boraxman to elm on Sun Oct 30 2011 21:01:57

I turn on the TV by pressing just one button. It's kind of easy. I hate think that an entire exponential increase in computing power is used, mer eliminate a few button presses. Just imagine, at the moment, an enourmou incredible amount of human potential and energy, is used in order to elim a few button presses.

Unfortunately I think that is what is happening.

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I know that is what is happening.

But we have to create products, you know, and if you can't innovate and make something new, just make something existing easier, flashier, or just slap a clock on it.


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