Heh, seriously? :)

Looking for an ancient Tandy 1000HX. Ideally with the memory expansion
board and 2 floppies... but at this point will take what I can get
cheap. :)

Does have to work, and preferably look halfway decent.

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Re: Anyone with a Tandy 1000HX for sale?
By: Chris Trainor to All on Tue Jul 24 2012 10:10 pm

Subject: Anyone with a Tandy 1000HX for sale?
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Heh, seriously? :)

Looking for an ancient Tandy 1000HX. Ideally with the memory expansion board and 2 floppies... but at this point will take what I can get
cheap. :)

Does have to work, and preferably look halfway decent.

thanks,
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I had one of those. paid like 3gs for mine back then.
I still have a copy of thier CGA desktop program somewhere.

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Re: Anyone with a Tandy 1000HX for sale?
By: Corey to Chris Trainor on Tue Jul 24 2012 20:13:49

I had one of those. paid like 3gs for mine back then.
I still have a copy of thier CGA desktop program somewhere.

Yeah, I got mine for quite a bit less when Radio Shack was dumping them
in the early 90's. I think I got mine in like 90 or 91. Was my original
BBS box. 1200bps modem and 2 floppy drives. :) Had one drive for OS &
message storage, the 2nd drive was for Spitfire BBS software to run.
Nifty little setup...didn't last long tho before I got my hands on a
real IBM XT with a 30meg drive.

Anyway, just tryin to assemble the handful of 'original' computers I
used to own that got me started. The Coco 2 was the first one I owned,
the 1000HX was the 2nd, but the first I did BBS's on and my first 'PC'.
Also looking to get a TRS-80 Model 3... which was in all reality the
first computer I used. (my grandfathers). He had a Model 1 but I barely remember it let alone being able to use it.

Anyway, got the Coco... now looking for the 1000HX and eventually a
Model 3. Not gonna bother with anything past that since I really just
wheeled & dealed and swapped parts around since the 1000HX. :) That was
sold to pay for the XT, and the XT was upgraded, parts swapped, traded,
etc etc over the past 20 years to eventually become what is now my
desktop pc. (i7 with SSD's haha... leaps and bounds from the XT!).


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Re: Anyone with a Tandy 1000HX for sale?
By: Chris Trainor to All on Tue Jul 24 2012 22:10:33

Looking for an ancient Tandy 1000HX. Ideally with the memory expansion board and 2 floppies... but at this point will take what I can get
cheap. :)

I looked up the Tandy 1000HX because I wasn't familiar with it. Surprised to hear of an IBM-compatible computer made in the late 80s still using an 8088 CPU when the 386 had been released around that time..

Nightfox

Re: Anyone with a Tandy 1000HX for sale?
By: Chris Trainor to All on Tue Jul 24 2012 22:10:33

Looking for an ancient Tandy 1000HX. Ideally with the memory expansion board and 2 floppies... but at this point will take what I can get
cheap. :)

Sorry to say that I threw one of those away six years ago or so. (That was the cheapie with the integrated keyboard and DOS two-point-something in ROM, right?)

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Re: Anyone with a Tandy 1000HX for sale?
By: Nightfox to Chris Trainor on Wed Jul 25 2012 07:29:27

I looked up the Tandy 1000HX because I wasn't familiar with it. Surprised t hear of an IBM-compatible computer made in the late 80s still using an 8088 when the 386 had been released around that time..

Well, it did come out just before the 386. But also remember, back then
folks didn't go out and buy whole new sets of electronics eveyr other
year like they do now. Selling a cheap XT back then was probably a good
move. 286's were rare and very very expensive. A 386 PC when it first
came out would be a few grand. The 1000HX was meant to be a door buster
that would get PC's into peoples houses really cheap. When it first
came out in 87 or so I think it was $699. By 88 it was $499. Hard
drives back then cost more. :)

An IBM PS/2 286 back in 87 had a base price of $3500 and a 386 started
around $7k. So you can see why even an older tech PC at $500bucks would
be desired by folks.

Same stuff still happens now... not everyone runs out and buys a new i7 system. Lots of <$500 computers out there with really cut down CPU's.
The difference today is that there are 'low end' versions of 'current generation' tech. Back then, there wasn't 10 difference choices of a
386. You had a couple speeds, but that's it. The 'cheap' option was a
286 or 8088. People were still buying Apple II's back then. :)

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Re: Anyone with a Tandy 1000HX for sale?
By: echicken to Chris Trainor on Wed Jul 25 2012 11:57:34

Sorry to say that I threw one of those away six years ago or so. (That was cheapie with the integrated keyboard and DOS two-point-something in ROM, right?)

Yup, that's the one... and years ago I had friends asking me if I wanted
to take 'em off their hands... and stores in early 2000 were dumping accessories for $1/ea... silly me. Shoulda taken one then. :(

Most are taking up space in landfills now along with the majority of
other ancient PC's and game consoles.

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Re: Anyone with a Tandy 1000HX for sale?
By: Chris Trainor to Nightfox on Wed Jul 25 2012 02:01 pm

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Re: Anyone with a Tandy 1000HX for sale?
By: Nightfox to Chris Trainor on Wed Jul 25 2012 07:29:27

I looked up the Tandy 1000HX because I wasn't familiar with it. Surprise hear of an IBM-compatible computer made in the late 80s still using an 80 when the 386 had been released around that time..

Well, it did come out just before the 386. But also remember, back then folks didn't go out and buy whole new sets of electronics eveyr other
year like they do now. Selling a cheap XT back then was probably a good move. 286's were rare and very very expensive. A 386 PC when it first
came out would be a few grand. The 1000HX was meant to be a door buster that would get PC's into peoples houses really cheap. When it first
came out in 87 or so I think it was $699. By 88 it was $499. Hard
drives back then cost more. :)

An IBM PS/2 286 back in 87 had a base price of $3500 and a 386 started around $7k. So you can see why even an older tech PC at $500bucks would
be desired by folks.

Same stuff still happens now... not everyone runs out and buys a new i7 system. Lots of <$500 computers out there with really cut down CPU's.
The difference today is that there are 'low end' versions of 'current generation' tech. Back then, there wasn't 10 difference choices of a
386. You had a couple speeds, but that's it. The 'cheap' option was a
286 or 8088. People were still buying Apple II's back then. :)

--Chris

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and older machines are good for using on a netware system too.

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Re: Anyone with a Tandy 1000HX for sale?
By: Chris Trainor to echicken on Wed Jul 25 2012 02:02 pm

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Re: Anyone with a Tandy 1000HX for sale?
By: echicken to Chris Trainor on Wed Jul 25 2012 11:57:34

Sorry to say that I threw one of those away six years ago or so. (That w cheapie with the integrated keyboard and DOS two-point-something in ROM, right?)

Yup, that's the one... and years ago I had friends asking me if I wanted
to take 'em off their hands... and stores in early 2000 were dumping accessories for $1/ea... silly me. Shoulda taken one then. :(

Most are taking up space in landfills now along with the majority of
other ancient PC's and game consoles.

--Chris

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I had a tandy model 4.
GD bios was on floppy and you had to load it before the system disk.

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Re: Anyone with a Tandy 1000HX for sale?
By: Chris Trainor to Nightfox on Wed Jul 25 2012 02:01 pm

286's were rare and very very expensive. A 386 PC when it first
came out would be a few grand.

The first 386 PC (a Compaq) retailed for about $10K. And I think that was at 16MHz!

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Re: Anyone with a Tandy 1000HX for sale?
By: Digital Man to Chris Trainor on Wed Jul 25 2012 06:28 pm

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Re: Anyone with a Tandy 1000HX for sale?
By: Chris Trainor to Nightfox on Wed Jul 25 2012 02:01 pm

286's were rare and very very expensive. A 386 PC when it first
came out would be a few grand.

The first 386 PC (a Compaq) retailed for about $10K. And I think that was at 16MHz!

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Re: Anyone with a Tandy 1000HX for sale?
By: Chris Trainor to Nightfox on Wed Jul 25 2012 14:01:25

year like they do now. Selling a cheap XT back then was probably a good move. 286's were rare and very very expensive. A 386 PC when it first
came out would be a few grand. The 1000HX was meant to be a door buster that would get PC's into peoples houses really cheap. When it first
came out in 87 or so I think it was $699. By 88 it was $499. Hard
drives back then cost more. :)

An IBM PS/2 286 back in 87 had a base price of $3500 and a 386 started around $7k. So you can see why even an older tech PC at $500bucks would
be desired by folks.

That's true. Sometimes I forget how much computer prices have dropped over the years. :) It's a bit astonishing to think about it now that you can build/buy a PC these days with the latest greatest processor for less than what a new PC would have cost in the 80s and early 90s.

I also remember that up until around 1994, RAM cost about $100/megabyte. Now RAM is so much cheaper..

Nightfox

Re: Anyone with a Tandy 1000HX for sale?
By: Digital Man to Chris Trainor on Wed Jul 25 2012 18:28:50

The first 386 PC (a Compaq) retailed for about $10K. And I think that was
at 16MHz!

I remember when PCs were more expensive than they are today, but it's amazing to think of even a new PC costing that much. In 1980s dollars, you could have probably bought a nice new car for that price, and it wouldn't have become obsolete as soon as a PC.

Nightfox

Re: Anyone with a Tandy 1000HX for sale?
By: Corey to Digital Man on Wed Jul 25 2012 18:53:51

my old mac Lisa sold for 18g

Wasn't it the Apple Lisa? The Lisa and the Mac were different models. But yeah, I heard that one of the reasons that the Lisa failed was that it was so expensive, and the Mac was cheaper.

Nightfox

Looking for an ancient Tandy 1000HX. Ideally with the memory expansion board and 2 floppies... but at this point will take what I can get
cheap. :)

A relative ran into one of those at a yard sale about 16-17 years ago and had me look at it to see if it could be used for something useful. Since it was lacking the RAM expansion, it only had 256K (that's right) of RAM on on it,
it wouldn't do much but play a few Sierra games. I'll have to admit that
those few Sierra games looked and sounded really good. It was then I
realized that the PCJr/Tandy 1000 systems had some pretty decent graphics and sound on them for their time.

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Re: Anyone with a Tandy 1000HX for sale?
By: Nightfox to Chris Trainor on Wed Jul 25 2012 19:31:34

I also remember that up until around 1994, RAM cost about $100/megabyte. No RAM is so much cheaper..

I remember paying $1k for a 1gig harddrive back in around 92 or 93. Hmm,
maybe 94... but anyway, it was used. :) Crazy stuff. A grand now could
get me 20TB of storage!

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Re: Anyone with a Tandy 1000HX for sale?
By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Wed Jul 25 2012 19:33:40

I remember when PCs were more expensive than they are today, but it's amazin to think of even a new PC costing that much. In 1980s dollars, you could ha probably bought a nice new car for that price, and it wouldn't have become obsolete as soon as a PC.

Inflation adjustment from the early 80's to now is about double.


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Re: Anyone with a Tandy 1000H
By: Purple Nurple to Chris Trainor on Wed Jul 25 2012 21:04:00

A relative ran into one of those at a yard sale about 16-17 years ago and ha me look at it to see if it could be used for something useful. Since it was lacking the RAM expansion, it only had 256K (that's right) of RAM on on it, realized that the PCJr/Tandy 1000 systems had some pretty decent graphics an

Yeah, the 1000HX (and EX) were essentially clones of the IBM PCJr. The graphics were like EGA but at CGA resolutions. Essentially CGA just
with 16 colors instead of 4. I remember that being an annoyance to me
when I 'upgraded' to an XT. Games didnt' look as good, but I really
needed the hard drive and the XT with a 30meg or so disk was cheaper
then adding a HDD to the Tandy. (plus the XT had stuff like serial ports
and card slots for upgrades, adding modems, etc).

The 1000HX could be bumped up to like 768k of RAM or so. Only 640k was usable, and not because of 'BillyBoy', but because they mapped some of
the system RAM for video. (kinda like what cheaper on-board graphics processors do these days)

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Re: Anyone with a Tandy 1000HX for sale?
By: Nightfox to Corey on Wed Jul 25 2012 07:34 pm

Wasn't it the Apple Lisa? The Lisa and the Mac were different models. But yeah, I heard that one of the reasons that the Lisa failed was that it was s expensive, and the Mac was cheaper.

The joke was that the Lisa was geared to Fortune 500 CEOs, which maxxed potential sales to 500 units.


I had a Lisa under my desk at my first "real" gig. It was running an email system. My desk Mac was a MacPlus with 2 MB RAM and a 20MB hard disk. I also had a 2400 baud modem, little supervision, and thus, a BBSing habit was born.

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Re: Anyone with a Tandy 1000HX for sale?
By: Nightfox to Chris Trainor on Wed Jul 25 2012 07:29 am

I looked up the Tandy 1000HX because I wasn't familiar with it. Surprised to hear of an IBM-compatible computer made in the late 80s still using an 8088 CPU when the 386 had been released around that time..

Actually, don't be little the 1000HX or the 1000EX because of their 8088's
in a world of 80386's. They had their complete operating system in ROM and
you could just flip the switch and instantly be at your choice of a command
prompt, or desk mate. For many things, the 8088 could hold it's own with
a 80286, or slow 80386sx, because of the ROM dos and integrated video card.
Because the video card was integrated on the mother board, they didn't have
to bottleneck it with a 4.77mHz bus speed. Granted, they could have used a
8086 and it'd have more pep, but. Toss in a V20, and speed it up a little
for a low price. Tune up the refresh rate for a free speedup. But, certain
operations will really lag when compared to an 80386. But day to day work,
really was quite fast for an 8088!

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Re: Anyone with a Tandy 1000HX for sale?
By: echicken to Chris Trainor on Wed Jul 25 2012 11:57 am

Sorry to say that I threw one of those away six years ago or so. (That
was the cheapie with the integrated keyboard and DOS two-point-something
in ROM, right?)

Awe man! How can you throw away anything with built in DOS rom? Even without a hard drive, you can allways use the built in rom and a floppy disk to play around with things... Integrated keyboard and all, and if it's one of those that has RCA jacks for the TV set, they're great for making titles for VCR's and DVD Recorders!

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Re: Anyone with a Tandy 1000HX for sale?
By: John Guillory to echicken on Thu Jul 26 2012 08:05:45

Awe man! How can you throw away anything with built in DOS rom? Even without a hard drive, you can allways use the built in rom and a floppy disk play around with things... Integrated keyboard and all, and if it's one of those that has RCA jacks for the TV set, they're great for making titles for VCR's and DVD Recorders!

Well, considering that the computer is rotting in the landfill beside my old VCR, and I have no use for a DVD recorder, I think I'll survive. :D :D :D

I've got enough old computers kicking around. At a certain point I decided to start weeding the collection, trying to keep it down to smaller and/or more noteworthy items. My Commodore SX-64, NEC PC-8201A, Apple eMate, and HP 200LX are probably my remaining favourite items. (If it's any consolation, that last one has DOS in ROM.) As ham radio gear continues to take over my workshop, I need to make room for it by giving away or disposing of old computer crap that I haven't touched in years.

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Re: Anyone with a Tandy 1000HX for sale?
By: John Guillory to Nightfox on Thu Jul 26 2012 08:02 am

to bottleneck it with a 4.77mHz bus speed. Granted, they could have used
8086 and it'd have more pep, but. Toss in a V20, and speed it up a littl
for a low price. Tune up the refresh rate for a free speedup. But, cert
operations will really lag when compared to an 80386. But day to day wor
really was quite fast for an 8088!

I remember buying a V20 at one of the computer swap meets, supercharging my XT. I was using it for classwork and compiling C code, made a bit of a difference.

My classmate/mext door next door had a Compaq with a 287. Screaming fast, by way of comparison.

Thinking back, I remember how heavy those things were. The motherboard on the XT was covered in components, as were all of the full-length cards.

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Re: Anyone with a Tandy 1000HX for sale?
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Re: Anyone with a Tandy 1000HX for sale?
By: John Guillory to Nightfox on Thu Jul 26 2012 08:02 am

to bottleneck it with a 4.77mHz bus speed. Granted, they could have u
8086 and it'd have more pep, but. Toss in a V20, and speed it up a li
for a low price. Tune up the refresh rate for a free speedup. But, c
operations will really lag when compared to an 80386. But day to day
really was quite fast for an 8088!

I remember buying a V20 at one of the computer swap meets, supercharging my I was using it for classwork and compiling C code, made a bit of a differenc

My classmate/mext door next door had a Compaq with a 287. Screaming fast, by way of comparison.

Thinking back, I remember how heavy those things were. The motherboard on th XT was covered in components, as were all of the full-length cards.

I had a Kaypro 16!
with the zuckerboard card expansion.

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Re: Anyone with a Tandy 1000HX for sale?
By: echicken to John Guillory on Thu Jul 26 2012 11:03 am

noteworthy items. My Commodore SX-64, NEC PC-8201A, Apple eMate, and HP 200 are probably my remaining favourite items.

Nice, nice, nice, and nice.


I've been tempted to pick up either an older Newton or 200LX. I had a MP130 for a year or so, should have held onto it, but I traded it in for a US
Robotics Pilot 5000.

I loved the TRS-80 mod 100, a relative of the NEC-PC8201A. Loved the idea of a small portable computer for word processing with long battery life and a decent keyboard.

I had an HP Omnibook 300 (http://www.hpmuseum.net/display_item.php?hw=123), a sub-notebook with a built-in mouse and Windows 3.1 in ROM. 9 hour battery life. Haven't seen one on eBay in a while.

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Re: Anyone with a Tandy 1000HX for sale?
By: Nightfox to Chris Trainor on Wed Jul 25 2012 07:31 pm

That's true. Sometimes I forget how much computer prices have dropped over the years. :) It's a bit astonishing to think about it now that you can build/buy a PC these days with the latest greatest processor for less than what a new PC would have cost in the 80s and early 90s.

my family could not afford a computer when i was growing up in school.
i could have really used one for my studies.
when i was getting out of HS computers were still around 3,000 or atleast a price that made it unattainable to me.

now i have so many computers i don't know what to do with them all. i guess
i'm making up for it.

i'm glad computer prices are dropping but i'm getting worried that tablets and phones will take over in the grand scheme of things.

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Re: Anyone with a Tandy 1000HX for sale?
By: Chris Trainor to Nightfox on Thu Jul 26 2012 01:39:31

Inflation adjustment from the early 80's to now is about double.

That's crazy to think about.. Sometimes I get on a tangent wondering why inflation exists, and I know it's probably not as simple as it seems.

Nightfox

Re: Anyone with a Tandy 1000HX for sale?
By: Poindexter Fortran to Nightfox on Wed Jul 25 2012 23:24:18

I had a Lisa under my desk at my first "real" gig. It was running an email system. My desk Mac was a MacPlus with 2 MB RAM and a 20MB hard disk. I
also had a 2400 baud modem, little supervision, and thus, a BBSing habit
was born.

Not a bad setup for back then. I can imagine that 2MB RAM and 20MB hard disk were pretty good size back when the Mac Plus came out, and with a 2400 baud modem to boot.

I started BBSing in 1992 when I got a hand-me-down PC, which was already getting old by that time - a home-built PC clone with a 12MHz 286, 2MB of RAM, a 10MB hard drive, and a 2400 baud modem. It was running MS-DOS 3.30 at the time (in fact, I think it was some customized version, like Compaq DOS 3.31 or something). I was 12 at the time, and that summer I spent many nights up until around 2:00AM BBSing (I had to use our phone line at night so that it could be kept free during the day).

Nightfox

Re: Anyone with a Tandy 1000HX for sale?
By: John Guillory to Nightfox on Thu Jul 26 2012 08:02:12

Actually, don't be little the 1000HX or the 1000EX because of
their 8088's in a world of 80386's. They had their complete operating system in ROM and you could just flip the switch and instantly be at
your choice of a command prompt, or desk mate. For many things, the
8088 could hold it's own with a 80286, or slow 80386sx, because of the ROM dos and integrated video card. Because the video card was
integrated on the mother board, they didn't have to bottleneck it with
a 4.77mHz bus speed. Granted, they could have used a 8086 and it'd
have more pep, but. Toss in a V20, and speed it up a little for a low price. Tune up the refresh rate for a free speedup. But, certain operations will really lag when compared to an 80386. But day to day
work, really was quite fast for an 8088!

That's cool.. I guess I can imagine making compromises to keep the cost low.

Nightfox

Re: Anyone with a Tandy 1000HX for sale?
By: Mro to Nightfox on Thu Jul 26 2012 19:40:40

when i was getting out of HS computers were still around 3,000 or atleast
a price that made it unattainable to me.

now i have so many computers i don't know what to do with them all. i
guess i'm making up for it.

:) Funny how that works. There have been times when I could have built up enough computers that I didn't know what to do with them all, but I've tended to sell off the things I didn't use anymore. Also, in the past, I've tended to continually upgrade my PC rather than keep building new ones, and I'd sell the old components. I have only a very small stash of old PC components..

i'm glad computer prices are dropping but i'm getting worried that tablets and phones will take over in the grand scheme of things.

I don't beleive tablets and phones will take over. They just aren't that good for creating content. I think traditional PCs will need to stick around for people like software developers and people who do CAD and other 3D-related content creation. I don't think it's feasible that they'll go away, but perhaps they'll look different in 10 or 20 years.

Nightfox

Re: Anyone with a Tandy 1000HX for sale?
By: Nightfox to Chris Trainor on Thu Jul 26 2012 21:53:21

That's crazy to think about.. Sometimes I get on a tangent wondering why inflation exists, and I know it's probably not as simple as it seems.

It actually is kindof simple.... folks always want 'more'. So when you
give them more... you gotta come up with ways to actually fund it. So
things go up.

Everyone expects a raise now and then. So as you give them all more
loot, you gotta charge more for whatever it is your business does. It
makes people feel like they're getting more, when in reality everything
else is going up as well.

It's also a supply vs demand thing too. When you have piles and piles
of junk noone wants, you're willing to dump it as cheap as possible to
cut your losses. But when you can't keep up with demand, you charge
more to make it worth your aggrivation to provide it. :)



--Chris

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Re: Anyone with a Tandy 1000HX for sale?
By: Poindexter Fortran to echicken on Thu Jul 26 2012 10:37:17

I've been tempted to pick up either an older Newton or 200LX. I had a MP130 a year or so, should have held onto it, but I traded it in for a US
Robotics Pilot 5000.

The 200LX is nice. You can run lots of DOS applications on it, it has good battery life, a serial port, a PCMCIA slot. The keyboard kinda sucks though. A similarly sized machine, albeit non-DOS, is the Psion Series 5, which while it lacks a PCMCIA slot is better in most other respects, including the keyboard, which is impressive for the size.

I loved the TRS-80 mod 100, a relative of the NEC-PC8201A. Loved the idea of small portable computer for word processing with long battery life and a dec keyboard.

The Kyocera clones were all pretty cool machines. The 8201A is pretty neat, although frustratingly not-quite-a-model-100 in certain ways. I had a BBS running on it a few years ago, but it was extremely basic. If I ever get bored enough, I might take another crack at it someday. Excellent keyboard on that thing, great battery life.

Deuce knows a thing or two about these devices. When I met with him and some others in May and we talked about the Model T laptops, he asked if I'd ever run Virtual T. I said that of course I had run the emulator many times. He said "You're welcome." Hah! What a coincidence.

I had an HP Omnibook 300 (http://www.hpmuseum.net/display_item.php?hw=123), sub-notebook with a built-in mouse and Windows 3.1 in ROM. 9 hour battery li Haven't seen one on eBay in a while.

I remember seeing those in magazines and such back in the day. Impressive for the time. I think they made Windows CE notebooks in a similar form-factor later on, perhaps in the Jornada line.

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Re: Anyone with a Tandy 1000HX for sale?
By: echicken to Poindexter Fortran on Fri Jul 27 2012 10:02:06

I loved the TRS-80 mod 100, a relative of the NEC-PC8201A. Loved the idea

Haha, cool, I just got one off eBay the other day. :) Was gonna rig it
up as a little mobile packet station or something. :)

Gonna have to get the spiffy rex rom thing as well if it's still sold.


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Re: Anyone with a Tandy 1000HX for sale?
By: Chris Trainor to Nightfox on Fri Jul 27 2012 09:25:24

That's crazy to think about.. Sometimes I get on a tangent wondering
why inflation exists, and I know it's probably not as simple as it
seems.

It actually is kindof simple.... folks always want 'more'. So when you
give them more... you gotta come up with ways to actually fund it. So things go up.

Everyone expects a raise now and then. So as you give them all more
loot, you gotta charge more for whatever it is your business does. It makes people feel like they're getting more, when in reality everything else is going up as well.

That's what I keep thinking, but something keeps telling me that perhaps that reasoning is too simplistic. As prices keep going up, then so does the cost of living, so overall you still don't have as much as you hoped you'd have. For instance, recently I heard that adjusted for inflation, gasoline in the US still costs about the same as it did 30 or 40 years ago, as a percentage of average income. However (after inflation), the cost of food has gone up as a percentage of average income. So I'm wondering if there is more to inflation than just peoples' desire to have more money.

Overall I suppose it's good that the US doesn't rely on a gold standard anymore though. If we did, then as some people gain more money, then that would mean that other people would have to become more poor.

Nightfox

Re: Anyone with a Tandy 1000HX for sale?
By: Chris Trainor to Nightfox on Fri Jul 27 2012 09:25 am

Everyone expects a raise now and then. So as you give them all more
loot, you gotta charge more for whatever it is your business does. It makes people feel like they're getting more, when in reality everything else is going up as well.

Actually, more due to how much the country devalues money. If the value of
a dollar is to the point that I can't buy anything or pay my bills with what
I'm getting paid, I will need another job that pays more money. If the
present employer wants to keep me working for them, they need to provide me
that money before someone else does. Plain and simple. If I have to leave
a company I've been with for 3 or more years because of money, then it's
going to be hard for me to decide to come back for a small increase in pay.

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Re: Anyone with a Tandy 1000HX for sale?
By: Chris Trainor to Nightfox on Fri Jul 27 2012 09:25:24

-----snip-----

Everyone expects a raise now and then. So as you give them all more loot, you gotta charge more for whatever it is your business does. It makes people feel like they're getting more, when in reality everything else is going up as well.

That's what I keep thinking, but something keeps telling me that perhaps that
reasoning is too simplistic. As prices keep going up, then so does the cost NI>living, so overall you still don't have as much as you hoped you'd have. For
instance, recently I heard that adjusted for inflation, gasoline in the US NI>still costs about the same as it did 30 or 40 years ago, as a percentage of NI>average income. However (after inflation), the cost of food has gone up as a
percentage of average income. So I'm wondering if there is more to inflation
than just peoples' desire to have more money.

Nightfox,

I commented to the wife the other day that in 1966 when we got married
the cost of Round Steak was about the same as a Gallon of Gas cost which
was around 39 cents US then.

Gasoline and Steak prices are still close to each other (US$4.00+).

We bought Round Steak because it was the cheapest priced steak we could
get back then, it ain't the cheapest cut of beef here anymore though.


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Re: Money
By: Ed Vance to NIGHTFOX on Tue Jul 31 2012 07:40 am

I commented to the wife the other day that in 1966 when we got married
the cost of Round Steak was about the same as a Gallon of Gas cost which
was around 39 cents US then.

Gasoline and Steak prices are still close to each other (US$4.00+).

If you convert 1966 prices and 2012 prices to ounces of silver, they're pretty close. It shows you how much inflation is really just value dilution. Creating trillions of dollars out of the aether is going to have an effect on the value of individual pieces of paper.




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I commented to the wife the other day that in 1966 when we got married

>the cost of Round Steak was about the same as a Gallon of Gas cost which
>was around 39 cents US then.

Gasoline and Steak prices are still close to each other (US$4.00+).

The problem with that is not everything changes at the same rate.

Back when I got my first house I could get a cheap house in a big
city for 6 or 7 times the price of a cheap new car. Not many areas
where that ratio would still work..
Those cheap cars have gone up by about 3 times the price and the
houses.. could be anything. The place I live in now I got back in
1980 and it would sell for 10 times what I paid for it back then.
Yet a TV set is about 1/2 the cost and a computer 1/10th the cost..

There are good semi-logical reasons for all the discrepancies.
I only mention it to point out you can't generalize about what
a dollar would buy then compared to now. We also used to have
mortgages at up to 17% on our houses where today many people are
struggling to pay mortgages at 5%..

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If you convert 1966 prices and 2012 prices to ounces of silver, they're prett

>close. It shows you how much inflation is really just value dilution. Creatin
>trillions of dollars out of the aether is going to have an effect on the valu
>of individual pieces of paper.

Yes but it gives whatever gov't devalues first a brief advantage, often
enough to pull them out of a recession. Often it's totally hidden as
well. Noone announces it, they just print a bunch more paper money..

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I commented to the wife the other day that in 1966 when we got married

the cost of Round Steak was about the same as a Gallon of Gas cost which
was around 39 cents US then.

Gasoline and Steak prices are still close to each other (US$4.00+).

The problem with that is not everything changes at the same rate.

You're right Rob,

Back when I got my first house I could get a cheap house in a big
city for 6 or 7 times the price of a cheap new car. Not many areas
where that ratio would still work..
Those cheap cars have gone up by about 3 times the price and the
houses.. could be anything. The place I live in now I got back in
1980 and it would sell for 10 times what I paid for it back then.
Yet a TV set is about 1/2 the cost and a computer 1/10th the cost..

Unless your needs are a Living Room Sized TV Screen, those things cost
almost as much as my first used car I got in 1965.

And the computers now run 10 times faster, at least 10x now, maybe
1000x. 4.77 Gc/s CPUs anyone??????????

Mine is 2 Gc/s and some times I wonder why I have to twiddle my thumbs
waiting for it to let me do the next thing that I want to do. ;-)

There are good semi-logical reasons for all the discrepancies.
I only mention it to point out you can't generalize about what
a dollar would buy then compared to now. We also used to have
mortgages at up to 17% on our houses where today many people are RM>struggling to pay mortgages at 5%..

Which makes me have to comment about the Banks paying their Depositors
0.0?% so they can advertise that 5% Loan Rate. (Sorry had to say it.)

Rob, You've given me some good Taglines to Swipe in your last .rep
packet. Thanks!


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houses.. could be anything. The place I live in now I got back in
1980 and it would sell for 10 times what I paid for it back then.

I thought about that later and I'd have to say, make that closer to
15 times the cost..

Yet a TV set is about 1/2 the cost and a computer 1/10th the cost..

Unless your needs are a Living Room Sized TV Screen, those things cost

>almost as much as my first used car I got in 1965.

This is true.. you can still pay almost as much as you want for
most things but the cheaper lines, made in China or Mexico.. etc..,
are still a bargain compared to what we used to pay.

And the computers now run 10 times faster, at least 10x now, maybe

>1000x. 4.77 Gc/s CPUs anyone??????????

Yes, it'a hard to judge because it's not just the cycles per second
but the internals of the chip that effect that. Likely looking at
an old 8088 compared to an I7 or something the actual speeds are
in the thousands of times faster.

I only mention it to point out you can't generalize about what
a dollar would buy then compared to now. We also used to have
mortgages at up to 17% on our houses where today many people are RM>struggling to pay mortgages at 5%..

Which makes me have to comment about the Banks paying their Depositors

>0.0?% so they can advertise that 5% Loan Rate. (Sorry had to say it.)

Yes.. I think 90% of the reason we get nailed so bad for service
charges and are paid nothing, or next to, on deposits is because
of the much too free flow of credit. The banks all want the 20%
return on that and hand out credit much too easily and in too high
amounts. It wasn't like that in the past. It would be *so* easy to
bury myself in credit debt if I weren't careful. One bank alone
on one card gave me about 7 years income worth of credit. Why ?
Because I kept maxing it out. Their response to maxing it out is
to give you more ? In my case it was relatively safe because I was
using the occasional low interest cheques that Visa offered and
investing that money to make more than I was paying in interest,
but they had no way of knowing that. All they knew was that I
maxed out the card with alarming frequency and made the required
minimum payment.. but all the people who do bury themselves in
credit debt and then go bankrupt all have to be bailed out by the
rest of the bank customers, hence the service charges and lousy
deposit interest rates..

Rob, You've given me some good Taglines to Swipe in your last

>.rep packet. Thanks!

Glad you found some amusing. My Tagline file has over 1700 tags in
it, many so old they are often no longer relevent or recognizable.
I should clean it out one of these days... B)

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And the computers now run 10 times faster, at least 10x now, maybe

1000x. 4.77 Gc/s CPUs anyone??????????

Yes, it'a hard to judge because it's not just the cycles per second
but the internals of the chip that effect that. Likely looking at
an old 8088 compared to an I7 or something the actual speeds are
in the thousands of times faster.

Rob,

Being a AMD fan I haven't kept up with the Intel Ix processors to know
what speed they are able to run at.

I've haven't even looked at what the latest AMD processors can run at
either.

I'm not in the buying mood as long as this XP box I got in 2006 does its
thing.

I only mention it to point out you can't generalize about what
a dollar would buy then compared to now. We also used to have RM>RM>mortgages at up to 17% on our houses where today many people are RM>RM>struggling to pay mortgages at 5%..

Which makes me have to comment about the Banks paying their Depositors

0.0?% so they can advertise that 5% Loan Rate. (Sorry had to say it.)

Yes.. I think 90% of the reason we get nailed so bad for service
charges and are paid nothing, or next to, on deposits is because

I have many thoughts but don't want to hog the echo with Off Topic
messages, so I won't continue talking about the subject.

Rob, You've given me some good Taglines to Swipe in your last

.rep packet. Thanks!

Glad you found some amusing. My Tagline file has over 1700 tags in
it, many so old they are often no longer relevent or recognizable.
I should clean it out one of these days... B)

I'm not playing One-Up-Man-Ship, but I now have 5059 Taglines in SLMR's TAGLINES.MR file thanks to folks like you helping me.


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Re: Money
By: Ed Vance to ROB MCCART on Sun Aug 12 2012 22:59:00

I'm not playing One-Up-Man-Ship, but I now have 5059 Taglines in SLMR's TAGLINES.MR file thanks to folks like you helping me.

Any chance I could get you to e-mail it to westlakegeek@yahoo.com, or put
it for download some where? I'll admit I haven't been using my offline
mail readers lately. I normally love Mountain Reader (not sure he sells it
anymore), but sometimes use Slmr. I also have I think it's OLX (windows
GUI version from Mustang. Mountain reader will import from any text file,
I think OLX will do the same, I remember long ago I used to have lots of
tag lines, I'd write a program that'd sort the tagline file, check for
dupes, remove any dupes, then generate a report to let you know how many
unique taglines you have, etc.

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Re: Money
By: Ed Vance to ROB MCCART on Sun Aug 12 2012 22:59:00

Being a AMD fan I haven't kept up with the Intel Ix processors to know
what speed they are able to run at.

I've haven't even looked at what the latest AMD processors can run at either.

The reviews say that Intel has the better (faster) processors right now in terms of processing power, but that the AMD CPUs have the better graphics capabilities. I guess it makes sense considering AMD bought out ATI.

Nightfox

Re: AMD and Intel
By: Nightfox to Ed Vance on Tue Aug 14 2012 07:49:59

The reviews say that Intel has the better (faster) processors right now in terms of processing power, but that the AMD CPUs have the better graphics capabilities. I guess it makes sense considering AMD bought out ATI.

From what I remember, most of AMD's extra instructions was geared towards
3D Graphics. Granted, sse is supposed to be sorta geared for graphics, but
not quite like AMD's instructions...

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Re: AMD and Intel
By: John Guillory to Nightfox on Tue Aug 14 2012 14:06:22

From what I remember, most of AMD's extra instructions was
geared towards 3D Graphics. Granted, sse is supposed to be sorta
geared for graphics, but not quite like AMD's instructions...

Some time ago, AMD added their 3DNow instructions to their processors, but that's the only thing from AMD I remember being specific to 3D graphics, before they bought ATI just several years ago. Intel has added their own multimedia stuff to their CPUs too - MMX was a set of multimedia extensions to help aid in 3D graphics.

Nightfox

Re: Money
By: Ed Vance to ROB MCCART on Sun Aug 12 2012 22:59:00

I'm not playing One-Up-Man-Ship, but I now have 5059 Taglines in SLMR's TAGLINES.MR file thanks to folks like you helping me.

Any chance I could get you to e-mail it to westlakegeek@yahoo.com, or put
it for download some where? I'll admit I haven't been using my offline
mail readers lately. I normally love Mountain Reader (not sure he sells i
anymore), but sometimes use Slmr. I also have I think it's OLX (windows
GUI version from Mustang. Mountain reader will import from any text file,
I think OLX will do the same, I remember long ago I used to have lots of
tag lines, I'd write a program that'd sort the tagline file, check for
dupes, remove any dupes, then generate a report to let you know how many
unique taglines you have, etc.

Sure John,

I will send you what Taglines I've collected from SLMR, MultiMail and
SemPoint.

There will be some Duplicates but I know you'll forgive me.

When I was using the C=64 I was a member of a BBS for DOS and Windows,
when I got the 486 built it wasn't long before I learned about .QWK,
.REP and SLMR was available on the BBS so I grabbed it.

For me OFFLINE reading was much better than DIAL-UP ONLINE reading was.

I still do that with email by using Mozilla Thunderbird.

Yep, I'm a lazy critter, I want to have it on my box to read instead of
being connected in real time.


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Re: Money
By: Ed Vance to JOHN GUILLORY on Mon Aug 13 2012 09:46 pm

For me OFFLINE reading was much better than DIAL-UP ONLINE reading was.

I still swear by my offline reader. It wasn't until SlyEdit came along that I found an online full-screen editor I liked, but I've got an old DOS environment that hasn't changed a lot since 1993 - still the same editor, BlueWave replaced by Multimail.

It works well, it's portable, and I'm familiar with it.

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Re: Money
By: Poindexter Fortran to Ed Vance on Wed Aug 15 2012 08:11:27

For me OFFLINE reading was much better than DIAL-UP ONLINE reading was.

I still swear by my offline reader. It wasn't until SlyEdit came along
that I found an online full-screen editor I liked, but I've got an old DOS

I have always tended to read my BBS mail online, so I don't have much experience with offline readers. What is the advnatage to using an offline reader? I could see there being an advatnage back in the 80s and 90s, to minimize phone charges by letting you just call in to exchange message packets, but that's not as much of an issue these days. One thing I would like, though, is something that can tell you which message areas have new messages written to you. When you log into a BBS, sometimes they tell you and sometimes they don't, and I don't always remember which message areas I have posted in.

I tried using MultiMail some time ago, but for some reason I didn't really get into it - I think it was something about how it displayed the message boards where the messages came from.. I seem to remember it displaying the short message area codes used by the BBS rather than the full message area names.

Nightfox

Re: Money
By: Poindexter Fortran to Ed Vance on Wed Aug 15 2012 08:11:27

For me OFFLINE reading was much better than DIAL-UP ONLINE reading was.

I still swear by my offline reader. It wasn't until SlyEdit came along that I found an online full-screen editor I liked, but I've got an old DOS

I have always tended to read my BBS mail online, so I don't have much NI>experience with offline readers. What is the advnatage to using an offline NI>reader? I could see there being an advatnage back in the 80s and 90s, to NI>minimize phone charges by letting you just call in to exchange message packet
but that's not as much of an issue these days. One thing I would like, though
is something that can tell you which message areas have new messages written NI>you. When you log into a BBS, sometimes they tell you and sometimes they NI>don't, and I don't always remember which message areas I have posted in.

I tried using MultiMail some time ago, but for some reason I didn't really ge
into it - I think it was something about how it displayed the message boards NI>where the messages came from.. I seem to remember it displaying the short NI>message area codes used by the BBS rather than the full message area names.

Nightfox,

In 1994 when I got my ibm compatiable computer and was calling Local
BBS's using POTS I read echos until the BBS told me Time Was Up, and
then I'd call the BBS later on to read some more messages in the echos.

Sometime later I started using SLMR to read .QWK files from the BBS and
to send .REP files I written to the BBS, I was only on the POTS a few
minutes, which made the line free more than it had been in the past.

Even though I use the internet now I still use SLMR and MultiMail DOS
when I need to read a message that chokes SLMR.

I like reading messages Offline so much that I learned to use Mozilla Thunderbird to grab messages from my email account just so I don't have
to be connected to the Web Mail Server all the time I am reading and
writing email.

That is what I like doing, You can like how you do things, I'm not
looking over your shoulders telling you that what you are doing is
wrong. <GRIN>

Like MultiMail, SLMR shows messages written to me from any the echos I
use, in the first or second line of the echo list.

When I click on the line I see the Message Numbers, which are different
from each echo, and the entries on the list lets me guess which echo the
reply to me is from and Who wrote it.

For me to KNOW what echo it is from I just read the message where the
Echo Name is displayed.

As I said, I'm comfortable reading Offline, and I'm not trying to change
the way you enjoy using the BBS you use.

I'm glad You're here because you share what you know so we all can learn
stuff about Technology.


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Re: Mail readers
By: Ed Vance to NIGHTFOX on Tue Aug 21 2012 21:48:00

I like reading messages Offline so much that I learned to use Mozilla Thunderbird to grab messages from my email account just so I don't have
to be connected to the Web Mail Server all the time I am reading and
writing email.

I have set up Thunderbird to read mail and forums from my BBS too.. I think it's cool to be able to do that with Synchronet, although I haven't been using Thunderbird much these days.

That is what I like doing, You can like how you do things, I'm not
looking over your shoulders telling you that what you are doing is
wrong. <GRIN>

I never thought you were. :)

As I said, I'm comfortable reading Offline, and I'm not trying to change
the way you enjoy using the BBS you use.

I tend to read messages and post from my own BBS.. I guess that may be one reason I tend not to use an offline reader - I have my own BBS, so I can be online with it and use it as much as I want.

Nigthfox