Is there a way to insert a new BBS in SyncTerm besides using the Insert key? I recently bought another system, and in my disbelief, its keyboard does not have an insert key..

Nightfox

Re: SyncTerm insert BBS key
By: Nightfox to All on Fri Mar 08 2013 11:43 pm

Is there a way to insert a new BBS in SyncTerm besides using the Insert
key? I recently bought another system, and in my disbelief, its keyboard does not have an insert key..

Hitting ENTER on the last (blank) entry will allow you to create a new entry. I
find it hard to believe the keyboard doesn't have an insert key (or key combination). Do you have a picture or a make/model so we can see?

digital man

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Re: SyncTerm insert BBS key
By: Nightfox to All on Fri Mar 08 2013 11:43 pm

Is there a way to insert a new BBS in SyncTerm besides using the Insert key? recently bought another system, and in my disbelief, its keyboard does not h an insert key..

Nightfox

Could you have gotten a mac? Only ask because I have one and noticed it doesnt have an ins key. hahah


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Re: SyncTerm insert BBS key
By: x03n to Nightfox on Sat Mar 09 2013 02:50:51

Could you have gotten a mac? Only ask because I have one and noticed it doesnt have an ins key. hahah

No, it's a Microsoft Surface Pro tablet with one of their keyboard covers. I was surprised to find it didn't have an Insert key.. Not sure why they did that.

Nightfox

Re: SyncTerm insert BBS key
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Sat Mar 09 2013 00:09:05

Hitting ENTER on the last (blank) entry will allow you to create a new entry. I find it hard to believe the keyboard doesn't have an insert key (or key combination). Do you have a picture or a make/model so we can see?

It's a Microsoft Surface Pro tablet with one of their keyboard add-ons. This is a picture of the keyboard:
http://bit.ly/WcG38b

More information on Microsoft's Surface tablets: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_Pro

Nightfox

Re: SyncTerm insert BBS key
By: Nightfox to All on Fri Mar 08 2013 11:43 pm

Is there a way to insert a new BBS in SyncTerm besides using the Insert key? I recently bought another system, and in my disbelief, its keyboard does not have an insert key..

Can you just hit enter on the first open entry at the end of the list?

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Re: SyncTerm insert BBS key
By: Access Denied to Nightfox on Sat Mar 09 2013 08:41:56

Can you just hit enter on the first open entry at the end of the list?

That works. DM suggested that too. I didn't think about doing that when I posted my message earlier.

Nightfox

Re: SyncTerm insert BBS key
By: Nightfox to All on Fri Mar 08 2013 11:43 pm

Is there a way to insert a new BBS in SyncTerm besides using the Insert key? recently bought another system, and in my disbelief, its keyboard does not h an insert key..

Nightfox

you must have switched to a Mac :) because i am unable to switch to the dial list screen i will try to tell you from memory. you are able to press command
z basically anywhere to get a list of commands. I believe from the list of bbs's you just select a blank spot and press return to ad a new address. if
not you probably can highlight a blank space and probably press F2 depending
on your system settings you may need to press the fn key and the F2 key at
the same time.in your system preferences you can go to the keyboard settings and
are able to tell it to use all F1, F2, etc keys as standard function keys.

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Re: SyncTerm insert BBS key
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Sat Mar 09 2013 12:09 am

Hitting ENTER on the last (blank) entry will allow you to create a new entry find it hard to believe the keyboard doesn't have an insert key (or key combination). Do you have a picture or a make/model so we can see?

digital man

Apples don't it has an fn key in its place. I guess it wasnt that often
people used to Ins key because all you really hadt to do was put your curser before text and just start typing.The only time ii missed the Ins key was when
i was doing the door that was for configuring my synchronet bbs. I kind of ju st remote desktop to my bbs computer instead ( echo problems and insert issues.)

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Elite? does this mean a pirate "elite" or exclusive "elite?"
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Re: SyncTerm insert BBS key
By: Nightfox to x03n on Sat Mar 09 2013 07:53 am

No, it's a Microsoft Surface Pro tablet with one of their keyboard covers. was surprised to find it didn't have an Insert key.. Not sure why they did that.

Nightfox

The reason why is probably because Microsoft always copies from Apple.

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Re: SyncTerm insert BBS key
By: Shadowheart to Nightfox on Sat Mar 09 2013 10:13 am

Re: SyncTerm insert BBS key
By: Nightfox to x03n on Sat Mar 09 2013 07:53 am

No, it's a Microsoft Surface Pro tablet with one of their keyboard covers was surprised to find it didn't have an Insert key.. Not sure why they d that.

Nightfox

The reason why is probably because Microsoft always copies from Apple.

That and that steve balmer dude is a Kook.

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Re: SyncTerm insert BBS key
By: Shadowheart to Nightfox on Sat Mar 09 2013 10:02:00

you must have switched to a Mac :) because i am unable to switch to the

Nope, I haven't switched to Mac. Windows is the environment I use primarily, although I sometimes use Linux too.

Nightfox

Re: SyncTerm insert BBS key
By: Shadowheart to Shadowheart on Sat Mar 09 2013 10:17:00

That and that steve balmer dude is a Kook.

Yeah. Developers, developers, developers, developers! - http://youtu.be/Vhh_GeBPOhs
http://youtu.be/KMU0tzLwhbE

Nightfox

Re: SyncTerm insert BBS key
By: Nightfox to Shadowheart on Sat Mar 09 2013 12:25 pm

Re: SyncTerm insert BBS key
By: Shadowheart to Nightfox on Sat Mar 09 2013 10:02:00

you must have switched to a Mac :) because i am unable to switch to the

Nope, I haven't switched to Mac. Windows is the environment I use primarily although I sometimes use Linux too.

Nightfox

macs are unix.
sort of a cross between Mach and BSD

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Re: SyncTerm insert BBS key
By: Corey to Nightfox on Sat Mar 09 2013 13:39:45

macs are unix.
sort of a cross between Mach and BSD

Yep. From what I've heard, OS X is based on BSD with a Mach kernel. One of my other machines is a MacBook Pro, and although I haven't made much use of it, I like that OS X is based on BSD and thus comes with all the stanard *nix command-line tools.

Nightfox

Re: SyncTerm insert BBS key
By: Nightfox to Corey on Sat Mar 09 2013 02:28 pm

Re: SyncTerm insert BBS key
By: Corey to Nightfox on Sat Mar 09 2013 13:39:45

macs are unix.
sort of a cross between Mach and BSD

Yep. From what I've heard, OS X is based on BSD with a Mach kernel. One of other machines is a MacBook Pro, and although I haven't made much use of it, like that OS X is based on BSD and thus comes with all the stanard *nix command-line tools.

Nightfox

yep. I see my kernel is almost 10 megs.
it looks like the apple desktop is java.
I am running tiger osx 10.4.11 on 256 megs of ram.
Macs can run UNIX for gods sake on 256megs. lets see windows do that!

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Re: SyncTerm insert BBS key
By: Nightfox to All on Fri Mar 08 2013 11:43 pm

Is there a way to insert a new BBS in SyncTerm besides using the Insert
key? I recently bought another system, and in my disbelief, its keyboard does not have an insert key..

they have some real good keyboards on amazon.

look for that logitech COD g series. great keyboard for 29 bucks
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Re: SyncTerm insert BBS key
By: Nightfox to Shadowheart on Sat Mar 09 2013 12:25 pm

Nope, I haven't switched to Mac. Windows is the environment I use

primarily

although I sometimes use Linux too.

Nightfox

Oh, T'm sorry, that's too bad. <E/G> 8^)

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Re: Steve Balmer (Was: SyncTe
By: Nightfox to Shadowheart on Sat Mar 09 2013 12:27 pm

That and that steve balmer dude is a Kook.

Yeah. Developers, developers, developers, developers! - http://youtu.be/Vhh_GeBPOhs
http://youtu.be/KMU0tzLwhbE

Sweating so much is a clinical sign of something, probably kookieness. When I enlisted one disqualifying question was about if you overly perspired.
perhaps someone should give him an under shirt and a bottle of baby powder or at least turn on a fan for the stage.

Kook,
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Re: SyncTerm insert BBS key
By: Corey to Nightfox on Sat Mar 09 2013 14:57:32

it looks like the apple desktop is java.

I thought most of the core of OS X was written in Objective C or C++.. I could be wrong though.

Nightfox

Re: Apple OS X
By: Nightfox to Corey on Sat Mar 09 2013 05:04 pm

Re: SyncTerm insert BBS key
By: Corey to Nightfox on Sat Mar 09 2013 14:57:32

it looks like the apple desktop is java.

I thought most of the core of OS X was written in Objective C or C++.. I co be wrong though.

Nightfox

well the base os and most utils are in C
the base os is free with source code, it's called darwin.
and they give out most all the source code too.
you just dont get the gui desktop source code.
I found the apple site for my 10.4.11 but I dont feel like downloading 100's of files.

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Re: SyncTerm insert BBS key
By: Nightfox to All on Fri Mar 08 2013 11:43 pm

Is there a way to insert a new BBS in SyncTerm besides using the Insert
key? I recently bought another system, and in my disbelief, its keyboard does not have an insert key..

Nightfox

If you're using a VM you can assign it to do so like I do.


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Re: Apple OS X
By: Nightfox to Corey on Sat Mar 09 2013 05:04 pm

it looks like the apple desktop is java.

I thought most of the core of OS X was written in Objective C or C++.. I co be wrong though.

Nightfox

It may resemble java to you but if it ism I doubt it because Apple has been miffed at java and just recently updated its java plugins on safari after disabling it because of some sort of security things. i think they were going to perminantly disable java untill they had a change of heart.
objectivve c may have contributed because steve brought it and most of the core of osx with him from his time with Next. if you get lost in osx you can run across apache stuff. i think before jobs passed he was a proponent of
open source and included a bunch of linux tucked away in osx. that is one reason they are able to do jailbreaks on ios devices and also why you can buy macs with intel chips. the linux parts i think kind of helped osx work with
the intel chips and not so much with the g6 chips. they are no longer able to run osx because osx got rid of rosetta stuff. if you program in object c you will notice some of the commands say something near next step or something because that was left over from the next os thing. i think it is next step libraries or something.
thats only bit and pieces from things i have heard or noticed, i wish i could remeber all of it. maybe i should carry around a mini notebook in my back pocket.
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Re: SyncTerm insert BBS key
By: Nightfox to Access Denied on Sat Mar 09 2013 08:38 am

That works. DM suggested that too. I didn't think about doing that when I posted my message earlier.

By what you've been saying, you have no way to change between INS/OVR either then, hey?

I just took a quick look on the internet and I couldn't find any reason as to why they didn't include it, except that it's "rarely used". Rarely used says who? :)

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Re: SyncTerm insert BBS key
By: Access Denied to Nightfox on Sun Mar 10 2013 10:10:25

By what you've been saying, you have no way to change between INS/OVR either then, hey?

Yes, that's (frustratingly) correct.

I just took a quick look on the internet and I couldn't find any reason as to why they didn't include it, except that it's "rarely used". Rarely used says who? :)

:) Yeah, I'm a bit surprised that they didn't include an insert key.

Nightfox

Re: Apple OS X
By: Shadowheart to Nightfox on Sat Mar 09 2013 22:58:00

I thought most of the core of OS X was written in Objective C or C++..
I co be wrong though.

It may resemble java to you but if it ism I doubt it because Apple has been miffed at java and just recently updated its java plugins on safari after disabling it because of some sort of security things. i think they

Objective-C & C++ don't resemble Java to me.. The languages are similar in structure but that's about it.

were going to perminantly disable java untill they had a change of heart.

I thought Apple did end up removing Java as a default component in OS X? I heard that the version of Java included with OS X was always behind the times due to Apple's process of re-packaging things specially for OS X.

why you can buy macs with intel chips.

It's not just that you "can" buy Macs with Intel chips - Intel chips are all they use now, so there's no option for anything else. I think the last Mac to still use a PowerPC CPU was the Mac Pro around 2006?

the linux parts i think kind of
helped osx work with the intel chips and not so much with the g6 chips.

From what I understand, being based on BSD/Darwin, OS X is mainly a derivitave of BSD rather than Linux.

they are no longer able to run osx because osx got rid of rosetta stuff.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. Rosetta was an emulator that allowed running PowerPC OS X apps on Intel Macs.

if you program in object c you will notice some of the commands say something near next step or something because that was left over from the next os thing. i think it is next step libraries or something.

Yes, I noticed that when I started dabbling in Objective-C several years ago.

Nightfox

Re: Steve Balmer What a Kook
By: Shadowheart to Nightfox on Sat Mar 09 2013 03:10 pm

Sweating so much is a clinical sign of something, probably kookieness. When

or vodka!
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Re: Apple OS X
By: Nightfox to Shadowheart on Sun Mar 10 2013 10:18 am

Re: Apple OS X
By: Shadowheart to Nightfox on Sat Mar 09 2013 22:58:00

I thought most of the core of OS X was written in Objective C or C++..
I co be wrong though.

It may resemble java to you but if it ism I doubt it because Apple has been miffed at java and just recently updated its java plugins on safar after disabling it because of some sort of security things. i think the

Objective-C & C++ don't resemble Java to me.. The languages are similar in structure but that's about it.

were going to perminantly disable java untill they had a change of hear

I thought Apple did end up removing Java as a default component in OS X? I heard that the version of Java included with OS X was always behind the time due to Apple's process of re-packaging things specially for OS X.

why you can buy macs with intel chips.

It's not just that you "can" buy Macs with Intel chips - Intel chips are all they use now, so there's no option for anything else. I think the last Mac still use a PowerPC CPU was the Mac Pro around 2006?

the linux parts i think kind of
helped osx work with the intel chips and not so much with the g6 chips.

From what I understand, being based on BSD/Darwin, OS X is mainly a derivita of BSD rather than Linux.

they are no longer able to run osx because osx got rid of rosetta stuff

I'm not sure what you mean by this. Rosetta was an emulator that allowed running PowerPC OS X apps on Intel Macs.

if you program in object c you will notice some of the commands say something near next step or something because that was left over from t next os thing. i think it is next step libraries or something.

Yes, I noticed that when I started dabbling in Objective-C several years ago

Nightfox

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Re: Apple OS X
By: Corey to Nightfox on Sun Mar 10 2013 13:53:11

Jose, can you C?

You quoted the entire message just to add that? ;)

Nightfox

Re: Steve Balmer What a Kook
By: Mro to Shadowheart on Sun Mar 10 2013 03:36 pm

or vodka!

Hahahahaha probably.

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Re: Apple OS X
By: Nightfox to Corey on Sun Mar 10 2013 05:26 pm

Jose, can you C?

You quoted the entire message just to add that? ;)

Hehehehehe
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Re: SyncTerm insert BBS key
By: Nightfox to x03n on Sat Mar 09 2013 07:53 am

Re: SyncTerm insert BBS key
By: x03n to Nightfox on Sat Mar 09 2013 02:50:51

Could you have gotten a mac? Only ask because I have one and noticed i doesnt have an ins key. hahah

No, it's a Microsoft Surface Pro tablet with one of their keyboard covers. was surprised to find it didn't have an Insert key.. Not sure why they did that.

Nightfox

Because Microsoft is stupid, Windows 8 is a dud, and so is their crappy surface keyboard.

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Re: SyncTerm insert BBS key
By: Orion Blastar to Nightfox on Tue Mar 12 2013 12:10:22

Because Microsoft is stupid, Windows 8 is a dud, and so is their crappy surface keyboard.

I think Windows 8 on the desktop is pointless compared to Windows 7, but for a tablet, I think it works well. And with the Surface Pro, you get a tablet that can also run traditional Windows software (due to the Intel CPU), plus a full 1920x1080 screen resolution (albeit on a small screen).

Nightfox

Re: SyncTerm insert BBS key
By: Orion Blastar to Nightfox on Tue Mar 12 2013 12:10 pm

No, it's a Microsoft Surface Pro tablet with one of their keyboard
covers. was surprised to find it didn't have an Insert key.. Not
sure why they did that.

I wanted one of those surface style keyboards for my ipad2. Right now using a full size bt kb/mouse that I got from best buy for $5. Would love a surface style keyboard that links to the earth magnets and is small enough for other covers. Ah well.
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Re: SyncTerm insert BBS key
By: Nightfox to Orion Blastar on Tue Mar 12 2013 07:45 pm

Re: SyncTerm insert BBS key
By: Orion Blastar to Nightfox on Tue Mar 12 2013 12:10:22

Because Microsoft is stupid, Windows 8 is a dud, and so is their crappy surface keyboard.

I think Windows 8 on the desktop is pointless compared to Windows 7, but for tablet, I think it works well. And with the Surface Pro, you get a tablet t can also run traditional Windows software (due to the Intel CPU), plus a ful 1920x1080 screen resolution (albeit on a small screen).

Nightfox

I think if MS can work the kinks out, Surface can and WILL overtake the enterprise tablet market. MDM is a major pain in the ass and if you can ditch it by integrating the table directly due to its being a PRO version.. well it gets immediate buy-in.

I've got a few PROs here that I'm dicking around with. the keyboard is actualyl decent and usable unlike other tablets.. but the cover itself is weird. This is the pro keyboard, not the floppy POS one.

The stylus as mouse is nonsense and unusable. You just use your finger anyway. This interface has never worked going back to Tablet PC / XP.

Windows 8 sucks because of the GUI. The desktop/start menu divorce just isn't going to work no matter how much they ram it down your throat. IF they rever to Win 7's interface, it's a winner.


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I think if MS can work the kinks out, Surface can and WILL overtake the enterprise tablet market. MDM is a major pain in the ass and if you can ditch it by integrating the table directly due to its being a PRO version.. well it gets immediate buy-in.

I agree, and it seems to me that the Surface Pro would be a compelling choice for businesses who decide to buy tablets.

I've got a few PROs here that I'm dicking around with. the keyboard is actualyl decent and usable unlike other tablets.. but the cover itself is weird. This is the pro keyboard, not the floppy POS one.

I agree here too. I like the keyboard but also think it's somewhat weird,
with the bottom that looks/feels like felt.

The stylus as mouse is nonsense and unusable. You just use your finger anyway. This interface has never worked going back to Tablet PC / XP.

Yeah, I'm not sure how useful the stylus is either. Also, I imagine the
stylus will be something that will likely become lost. If the stylus were attached to the tablet via a string or if there was a dedicated "holder" of some sort built into the tablet, that might alleviate that problem. I don't think it's enough to only allow it to be attached to the tablet via the charging port, which needs to be used for charging the tablet.

Windows 8 sucks because of the GUI. The desktop/start menu divorce just isn't going to work no matter how much they ram it down your throat. IF
they rever to Win 7's interface, it's a winner.

I agree; I prefer Windows 7's interface for a desktop, but I think the new Windows 8 (Metro) interface works decently well on a tablet.

Nightfox

Re: Microsoft Surface Pro
By: Nightfox to VanillaThunder on Fri Mar 15 2013 12:52 pm

I think if MS can work the kinks out, Surface can and WILL overtake the enterprise tablet market. MDM is a major pain in the ass and if you can ditch it by integrating the table directly due to its being a PRO version well it gets immediate buy-in.

I agree, and it seems to me that the Surface Pro would be a compelling choic for businesses who decide to buy tablets.

I've got a few PROs here that I'm dicking around with. the keyboard is actualyl decent and usable unlike other tablets.. but the cover itself is weird. This is the pro keyboard, not the floppy POS one.

I agree here too. I like the keyboard but also think it's somewhat weird, with the bottom that looks/feels like felt.

The stylus as mouse is nonsense and unusable. You just use your finger anyway. This interface has never worked going back to Tablet PC / XP.

Yeah, I'm not sure how useful the stylus is either. Also, I imagine the stylus will be something that will likely become lost. If the stylus were attached to the tablet via a string or if there was a dedicated "holder" of some sort built into the tablet, that might alleviate that problem. I don't think it's enough to only allow it to be attached to the tablet via the charging port, which needs to be used for charging the tablet.

Windows 8 sucks because of the GUI. The desktop/start menu divorce just isn't going to work no matter how much they ram it down your throat. IF they rever to Win 7's interface, it's a winner.

I agree; I prefer Windows 7's interface for a desktop, but I think the new Windows 8 (Metro) interface works decently well on a tablet.

Nightfox

See, that's the thing. The whole OS seems like Desktops were an AFTERTHOUGHT, rather than the primary concern, which is contrary to everything M$oft has done before, and a lot of the OS market tends to do. It seems they're trying to push more and more to mobile devices, but to be honest, at least for me, mobile interfaces simply feel a thousand times more clunky than a desktop with a keyboard. Of course, this could be because that's what I grew up on, but I'll be a desktopper for life.

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Re: Microsoft Surface Pro
By: Brndnmn to Nightfox on Wed Mar 27 2013 00:12:47

See, that's the thing. The whole OS seems like Desktops were an AFTERTHOUGHT, rather than the primary concern, which is contrary to everything M$oft has done before, and a lot of the OS market tends to do. It seems they're trying to push more and more to mobile devices, but to be honest, at least for me, mobile interfaces simply feel a thousand times more clunky than a desktop with a keyboard. Of course, this could be because that's what I grew up on, but I'll be a desktopper for life.

I feel generally the same way. I do think the mobile interface works well on mobile devices though, where it makes sense to actually touch the thing. I don't like the mobile interface on desktops though, and I don't like that
there seems to be no easy way to have Windows 8 boot up into the desktop interface instead of the mobile interface. I believe there are work-arounds and 3rd-party software to do this though. It would be nice if Windows 8 still had the Start menu, but there's 3rd-party software to add that back, too..

Nightfox

Re: Microsoft Surface Pro
By: Brndnmn to Nightfox on Wed Mar 27 2013 12:12 am

See, that's the thing. The whole OS seems like Desktops were an AFTERTHOUGHT, rather than the primary concern, which is contrary to everything M$oft has done before, and a lot of the OS market tends to do.
It seems they're trying to push more and more to mobile devices, but to be honest, at least for me, mobile interfaces simply feel a thousand times
more clunky than a desktop with a keyboard. Of course, this could be
because that's what I grew up on, but I'll be a desktopper for life.

Microsoft is jumping on the bandwagon and gambling that tablets and
desktop touchscreens are going to displace the traditional keyboard/mouse desktop model. They're targeting their idea of the home user consumer, unlike previous decades in which they were targeting small and large business.

Unfortunately, they seem to be rather disconnected from reality.

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Microsoft is jumping on the bandwagon and gambling that tablets and desktop touchscreens are going to displace the traditional keyboard/mouse desktop model. They're targeting their idea of the home user consumer, unlike previous decades in which they were targeting small and large business.

Unfortunately, they seem to be rather disconnected from reality.

Microsoft has always targeted both home users and business users, with different editions of Windows and various products. I agree that they seem a bit disconnected from reality though, with the way Windows 8 is.

Nightfox