I also had a question. I trie dgetting SyncTERM to work and eventually did in Arch Linux. However when I connect to a board it displays a window bordered by "SyncTERM". This might look cool, but I use a screen reader, and it makes it unusable. Does a way exist to disable this effect? I sent a message to the author, hopefully he'll respond soon. I get the feeling the standard telnet program lacks.

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I also had a question. I trie dgetting SyncTERM to work and eventually did in Arch Linux. However when I connect to a board it displays a window bordered by "SyncTERM". This might look cool, but I use a screen reader,
and it makes it unusable. Does a way exist to disable this effect? I sent a message to the author, hopefully he'll respond soon. I get the feeling the standard telnet program lacks.

Austin, I wonder if a better alternative might be iTerm on the Mac. It doesn't do pixel-perfect ANSI rendering -- though with some tweaks it gets close.

iTerm it is better integrated with Mac OS (you can copy and paste with no problems, for example) -- and I imagine it's more friendly to screen readers.

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I also had a question. I trie dgetting SyncTERM to work and eventually
did in Arch Linux. However when I connect to a board it displays a
window bordered by "SyncTERM". This might look cool, but I use a screen reader, and it makes it unusable. Does a way exist to disable this
effect? I sent a message to the author, hopefully he'll respond soon. I get the feeling the standard telnet program lacks.

Since you are already on Linux, you might try giving qodem a try: http://qodem.sf.net . I've never tried running it with a screen
reader, if you try it out and find something I could do to improve it
for you I'd be happy to work that in.


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Re: SyncTERM
By: Ascii Express to All on Sat Jan 18 2014 17:25:49

"SyncTERM". This might look cool, but I use a screen reader, and it makes it unusable. Does a way exist to disable this effect? I sent a message to the author, hopefully he'll respond soon. I get the feeling the standard telnet program lacks.

I think your looking for something that doesn't exist. If you use a screen reader then telnet itself will work and is pretty much the best you can hope for. ANSI Graphics and screen readers really don't mix.
Has anyone out there heard of something that does both?

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Re: SyncTERM
By: Ascii Express to All on Sat Jan 18 2014 05:25 pm

I also had a question. I trie dgetting SyncTERM to work and eventually did in Arch Linux. However when I connect to a board it displays a window bordered by "SyncTERM". This might look cool, but I use a screen reader,
and it makes it unusable. Does a way exist to disable this effect? I sent a message to the author, hopefully he'll respond soon. I get the feeling the standard telnet program lacks.

If you run it in an SDL or X11 mode, that should go away. Those borders only appear when it is unsing a text mode for display and that text mode isn't 80 columns.

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Re: SyncTERM
By: bcw142 to Ascii Express on Tue Jan 21 2014 04:54 pm

I think your looking for something that doesn't exist. If you use a screen reader then telnet itself will work and is pretty much the best you can hope for. ANSI Graphics and screen readers really don't mix.
Has anyone out there heard of something that does both?

Yeah I tried SyncTERM with that problem. I tried Qodem.. I have to play more but it crashed already, but I still have to experiment more. It seems to have an issue in the menus, I use highlight tracking with Speakup and it doesn't seem to track the current choice. Either that or the menu should move the cursor to the line of the current choice. I remember the author asked for some feedback so there you go. So far standard vanilla telnet still works the best, but it does have awful issues cluttering up the screen. I thought a better emulation would help solve that problem.






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Re: SyncTERM
By: bcw142 to Ascii Express on Tue Jan 21 2014 04:54 pm

I think your looking for something that doesn't exist. If you use a screen reader then telnet itself will work and is pretty much the best you can
hope for. ANSI Graphics and screen readers really don't mix.
Has anyone out there heard of something that does both?

people have been using screen readers with bbses for a VERY long time.
that's why fidonet has a lot of rules about this and that.

i'm sure he can get a client that works fine.
i believe the issue here is he does not like the status bar being read off all the time. all he needs to do is use a client that allows you to toggle the status bar line off.

hell, i even made a command shell for a blind user. my animated prompts almost bad his screen reader explode :D
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Re: SyncTERM
By: ASCII Express to bcw142 on Tue Jan 21 2014 06:07 pm

Yeah I tried SyncTERM with that problem. I tried Qodem.. I have to play
more but it crashed already, but I still have to experiment more. It seems

what do you mean by crashed? when doing what? what was the error msg?
crashed is a very vague, poor message.

more but it crashed already, but I still have to experiment more. It seems to have an issue in the menus, I use highlight tracking with Speakup and it

menus with what bbs software? are the problems the same if the bbs software is different? are the problems the same if you were to use a different menu set, synchronet command shell, or call a mystic or vadv bbs?

move the cursor to the line of the current choice. I remember the author asked for some feedback so there you go. So far standard vanilla telnet

you should email the author and provide as much information and screenshots as possible. that's what i would want.

still works the best, but it does have awful issues cluttering up the screen. I thought a better emulation would help solve that problem.

have you tried choosing just ascii mode?
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ASCII Express wrote to bcw142 <=-

I tried Qodem.. I have to play
more but it crashed already, but I still have to experiment more. It
seems to have an issue in the menus, I use highlight tracking with
Speakup and it doesn't seem to track the current choice. Either that or the menu should move the cursor to the line of the current choice. I remember the author asked for some feedback so there you go.

Thank you for the feedback, I'm sorry it isn't working right now for
you. Which version of qodem did you try out that crashed?

The way it draws the screen, it often hides the cursor when in menus,
plus the cursor can end up anywhere based on the way ncurses updates
the screen. I could add a feature to always leave the cursor visible,
and place it on the currently-selected line at the end of a screen
redraw. Do you think that would improve its behavior with Speakup?

So far
standard vanilla telnet still works the best, but it does have awful issues cluttering up the screen. I thought a better emulation would
help solve that problem.

The best emulation to try using vanilla telnet would be VT100, many
BBSes will support that. Barring that, you could try using
TERM=ansi.sys on your local system, it might be a bit better than
TERM=linux or TERM=xterm.

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