Hello folks!
I'm in the process of setting up my BBS again, and I am running into some issues when I try to install some doors.
Specifically Tradewars 2002
I'm running Windows 10 64-bit as the host OS, and when I attempt to run the twinstal.bat batch file, it errors out saying that the twsetup.exe is a 16bit application and is not compatible with my version of the OS.
I know that there are some SysOps who have it online, was wondering if someone can assist me with getting this installed and hopefully obtain a better understanding of how Doors workin SynchroNet.
You can contact me through here, internet email at donavyn@gmail.com, or connect to my BBS via Telnet at defshard.synology.me.
Now I'm in the process of figuring out how to get LORD 32-bit working, since Windows 10 keeps telling me that it won't run because it's a 16-bit application. I know that there has to be a way ...
Patch wrote to All <=-
Hello folks!
I'm in the process of setting up my BBS again, and I am running into
some issues when I try to install some doors.
Specifically Tradewars 2002
I'm running Windows 10 64-bit as the host OS, and when I attempt to run the twinstal.bat batch file, it errors out saying that the twsetup.exe
is a 16bit application and is not compatible with my version of the OS.
Ironically however, I opted to not install Tradewars 2002 but went for the Tradewars Game Server instead, which I am happy to say is online where my wi is currently making her claim.
Now I'm in the process of figuring out how to get LORD 32-bit working,
since Windows 10 keeps telling me that it won't run because it's a 16-bit application. I know that there has to be a way ...
Patch wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Re: Re: New BBS and Doors
By: Vk3jed to Patch on Sat Apr 23 2016 06:18 pm
Ahhh DOS box ... I didn't know we would need to do that, makes sense though.
Patch wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Re: Re: New BBS and Doors
By: Vk3jed to Patch on Sun Apr 24 2016 07:39 am
I'm running Windows 10 Pro 64-bit ... never thought about running the software on a Linux environment.
I don't run my servers on Windows these days - 2 reasons: 1. This would conflict with desktop use, and 2. It's much easier to get low power Linux boxes, such as the R-Pi. :)
I don't run my servers on Windows these days - 2 reasons: 1. This would conflict with desktop use, and 2. It's much easier to get low power Linux boxes, such as the R-Pi. :)
Linux was a natural choice for me. :)
Denn Gray wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Re: Re: New BBS and Doors
By: Vk3jed to Patch on Mon Apr 25 2016 03:22 pm
I don't run my servers on Windows these days - 2 reasons: 1. This would conflict with desktop use, and 2. It's much easier to get low power Linux boxes, such as the R-Pi. :)
I tried to set up Synchronet on my PI but could never get it to work, I did run Mystic for a few months on my PI, I really wanted to run synchronet though so I bought a Thin Client windows 7 pro pc that is
low powered, granted my PI took less power.
I may try again sometime.
Patch wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I don't run my servers on Windows these days - 2 reasons: 1. This would conflict with desktop use, and 2. It's much easier to get low power Linux boxes, such as the R-Pi. :)
Linux was a natural choice for me. :)
That totally makes perfect sense, to be honest.
My BBS is being run on an older Dell Studio 17 machine that used to
host our gaming groups voice server until we moved to Discord.
I figure if it's going to be online all day, I may as well use it for something. =)
Yep, horses for courses. Linux does the job for me. I'm not an OS bigot, I run Windows on the desktop, which is where I find it's best suited, Linux on servers, though a Linux desktop would be a nice thing to have kicking around. )
Fair enough, compared to my BBS, I think my Pi has paid for itself several times over in lower power bills! :D
Yep, horses for courses. Linux does the job for me. I'm not an OS bigot, I run Windows on the desktop, which is where I find it's best suited, Linux on servers, though a Linux desktop would be a nice thing to have kicking around. )
I think there have been some fairly nice desktop-oriented Linux distros over the
years. These days I like Mint Linux (with the Cinnamon UI), but OpenSuSE (and just SuSE before that) was always one of my favorites.
Yep, horses for courses. Linux does the job for me. I'm not an OS bigot, I run Windows on the desktop, which is where I find it's best suited, Linux on servers, though a Linux desktop would be a nice thing to have kicking around. )
I have really struggled with Linux desktops. In the early and late 90s, I definitely rocked the Slackware with a variety of desktop managers and custom setups. It was the thing to do. And then eventually I got tired of all the customizing.
So then I did what Vk does, with Windows for desktop and Linux for servers.
Then something shifted in the early 2000s, when Apple perfected OSX and their sexy PowerBook line. I completely jumped ship and use Mac for desktop work, Linux for servers, and Windows only when I absolutely have to :P
I haven't looked back since. (though occassionally I still use Windows on these cheap laptops I picked up for ham software or in a VM)
Momentum, here. I'm running Windows on my BBS strictly out of habit. I'm using the same mailer, BBS and remote access tool for 11 years now and it works just enough not to be painful enough to prompt a change. I'd love to throw everything onto a VPS somewhere if that changed.
Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I think there have been some fairly nice desktop-oriented Linux distros over the
years. These days I like Mint Linux (with the Cinnamon UI), but
OpenSuSE (and just SuSE before that) was always one of my favorites.
Fair enough, compared to my BBS, I think my Pi has paid for itself several times over in lower power bills! :D
A few years ago, I bought a power usage monitor similar to this: http://www.p3international.com/products/p4400.html
I used it with my BBS machine for a month, and I think I calculated
that I spend
about $12 (US) per year for electricity for my BBS machine.
Poindexter Fortran wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Momentum, here. I'm running Windows on my BBS strictly out of habit.
I'm using the same mailer, BBS and remote access tool for 11 years now
and it works just enough not to be painful enough to prompt a change.
I'd love to throw everything onto a VPS somewhere if that changed.
Knight wrote to Nightfox <=-
I have really struggled with Linux desktops. In the early and late 90s,
I definitely rocked the Slackware with a variety of desktop managers
and custom setups. It was the thing to do. And then eventually I got
tired of all the customizing.
So then I did what Vk does, with Windows for desktop and Linux for servers.
Then something shifted in the early 2000s, when Apple perfected OSX and their sexy PowerBook line. I completely jumped ship and use Mac for desktop work, Linux for servers, and Windows only when I absolutely
have to :P
I haven't looked back since. (though occassionally I still use Windows
on these cheap laptops I picked up for ham software or in a VM)
A few years ago, I bought a power usage monitor similar to this: http://www.p3international.com/products/p4400.html
I used it with my BBS machine for a month, and I think I calculated that I spend
about $12 (US) per year for electricity for my BBS machine.
Then something shifted in the early 2000s, when Apple perfected OSX and their sexy PowerBook line. I completely jumped ship and use Mac for desktop work, Linux for servers, and Windows only when I absolutely have to :P
I haven't looked back since. (though occassionally I still use Windows on these cheap laptops I picked up for ham software or in a VM)
Momentum, here. I'm running Windows on my BBS strictly out of habit. I'm using the same mailer, BBS and remote access tool for 11 years now and it works just enough not to be painful enough to prompt a change. I'd love to throw everything onto a VPS somewhere if that changed.
I think Apple's OS X is decent, but the thing with Apple is they make it only want to run on Apple hardware. I don't really like the Mac offerings from Apple (I feel like they are not easily customizable and tend to cost more than equivalent PC machines but offer fewer hardware features). It's possible to run OS X on a non-Apple computer, but the legality of that is questionable..
Linux desktops were pretty ordinary back then. I generally ran text only in those days. :)
I love Macs. I had a Mackbook Pro in 2010, but it has since died. :( Love OS X, it's an awesome system and very good for the end user. Sadly, parts for my Mac are hard to find, and I can't afford a new one, so Windows will have to do for now.
Cool. :)
i think what *nix does best is servers. i cant stand any *nix gui. they make great servers, though.
One of the things that I just found on my NAS was a complete hard drive backup of my BBS way back when.
I managed Solaris servers and desktops at Sun Microsystems in the mid 90s, and their desktop was fairly interesting. But I was young and everything seemed cool back then.
Everything seemed cool, but there was some seriously well designed, cool hardware out there. I was running a gaming company's ops, had Solaris boxes running mail and DNS (and a "backup" system on my desktop). Compared to the white box systems we had running NT for the corporate stuff, the Sun boxes looked like a different species.
Knight wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Re: Re: New BBS and Doors
By: Vk3jed to Knight on Wed Apr 27 2016 08:48 am
Linux desktops were pretty ordinary back then. I generally ran text only in those days. :)
Well, they weren't really. X11 was around for a long time, and then was replaced with Xorg's version later. And of course there was a variety
of desktop managers (fvwm, fvwm2, etc -- I don't even remember all of
them right now). And then there were lots of custom apps and custom implementations.
Yep, it's true, OSX is a posix-compliant Unix-like operating system
based on NetBSD's kernel (underneath called Darwin). It's just as
powerful as any other Linux or BSD, offers the same userland and power, but has a pretty desktop interface that kills just about any other.
Yeah, parts you can get online, but nothing is cheap in Apple land.
iPhone parts are pretty affordable (I've fixed a lot of family
iPhones), but Mac parts not so much.
Bummer :)
Cool. :)
Side effect of using cheap $200 Windows 10 laptops -- I can play my
Xbox games over the LAN from them :)
Knight wrote to Patch <=-
Re: Re: New BBS and Doors
By: Patch to Poindexter Fortran on Tue Apr 26 2016 05:27 pm
One of the things that I just found on my NAS was a complete hard drive backup of my BBS way back when.
I am incredibly jealous about this. That's so fantastic. I wish I still had my stuff. I think that the last backup I made was in 2001, on a ZIP drive somewhere. Whodathunk that an Iomega ZIP Drive wasn't going to be useful 15 years later! :)
White boxes were certainly boring in comparison ... but magnitudes cheaper of course :)
I am incredibly jealous about this. That's so fantastic. I wish I still had my stuff. I think that the last backup I made was in 2001, on a ZIP drive somewhere. Whodathunk that an Iomega ZIP Drive wasn't going to be useful 15 years later! :)
I have BBS backups on CDs somewhere. The hard part will be locating them. :)
I found the window managers of the day required way too much manual intervention to create links to applications - things that happen either automatically on installation, or with a few mouse clicks.
Yes, the interface of OS X is about as good as it gets. Same for a lot of Mac apps. Fir example, iMovie was the easiest video editor I've ever used, and very powerful. It was dead simply to select a clip from a source video AND add it to a project, all in one action! I've never seen that capability in any other siftware.
Yep -- the one big cool sun box running Oracle, the stack of boring white boxes running Apache, BIND, Sendmail, IMAPD, etc. etc. That was a staple of pre-funding dot-coms for a couple of years - at least the ones I set up! :)
I think I might have an aneurysm. I agree here too. Three times in a week.
good for you, dickwad. keep tallying up the counts.
A few years ago, I bought a power usage monitor similar to this:
http://www.p3international.com/products/p4400.html
I used it with my BBS machine for a month, and I think I calculated
that I spend
about $12 (US) per year for electricity for my BBS machine.
that's gotta be wrong. where did you get the calculation?
Yes. A lot seem to like Mint these days. I'm yet to try that one, but it's on the top of my list. My main issue is I only need two desktops,
and both need Windows. Dual booting is a PITA, I always seem to be
in the wrong OS at any given time. :)
As for SuSe, I never liked that distro, nor did I like Mandrake/Mandriva, when that one was popular, even though a lot of people raved about them.
A few years ago, I bought a power usage monitor similar to this:
http://www.p3international.com/products/p4400.html
I used it with my BBS machine for a month, and I think I calculated
that I spend
about $12 (US) per year for electricity for my BBS machine.
But at how many c/kWh? Electricity prices are around 25c/kWh here these days. Around 8 years ago, I used to run a Pentium 4 server, which I had VMware and was hosting as much as I could on it, for economy. One day the power supply died, and I never reactivated that machine (it's still here, has a new PSU but hasn't been fired up since). The power bill dropped immediately by around $60 - 80 / quarter (no kidding!).
Re: New BBS and Doors
By: Mro to Knight on Wed Apr 27 2016 05:59 pm
good for you, dickwad. keep tallying up the counts.
Well that just reset it back to zero. There's no hope in hoping when it pertains to mro.
Knight wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yeah that was so annoying. Having to setup dotfiles for X, a .fvwmrc,
and many others. The X11 conf was done by hand, and the most disturbing part was getting your monitor to display correctly because you had to guess or generate line modes that describe the geometry of the monitor.
I hated that so much, and it was so rare to get your screen just right (especially if you had the more cutting edge monitors).
Yes, the interface of OS X is about as good as it gets. Same for a lot of Mac apps. Fir example, iMovie was the easiest video editor I've ever used, and very powerful. It was dead simply to select a clip from a source video AND add it to a project, all in one action! I've never seen that capability in any other siftware.
I love it. Beauty intersecting with simplicity intersecting with ease
of use.
Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Re: Re: New BBS and Doors
By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Wed Apr 27 2016 07:43:00
Yes. A lot seem to like Mint these days. I'm yet to try that one, but it's on the top of my list. My main issue is I only need two desktops,
and both need Windows. Dual booting is a PITA, I always seem to be
in the wrong OS at any given time. :)
I know what you mean. I don't really want the hassle of dual-booting,
so I've stuck with Windows on my desktop system for now due to software
I use that is made for Windows. However I've given some thought to switching to Linux as a desktop OS and running Windows in a VM. That
way I wouldn't have to dual-boot.
As for SuSe, I never liked that distro, nor did I like Mandrake/Mandriva, when that one was popular, even though a lot of people raved about them.
I'm curious why you didn't like SuSE or Mandrake/Mandriva? I had tried Mandrake at one point and I liked it; however, like many Linux distros
at the time, the next version seemed to break things and there were
some hardware devices etc. that didn't work. SuSE seemed to be one of
the distros where things tended to work more consistently after
upgrading, and I liked that SuSE included plenty of software packages
on the installation media. But I suppose that last point isn't as important these days, when package managers can easily and quickly
fetch packages from online repositories.
I don't remember the cost per kWh.. And my $12 per year was incorrect
- It was actually more like $32 per year.
A few years ago, I bought a power usage monitor similar to this:
http://www.p3international.com/products/p4400.html
I used it with my BBS machine for a month, and I think I calculated
that I spend
about $12 (US) per year for electricity for my BBS machine.
that's gotta be wrong. where did you get the calculation?
Yeah, I was wrong, it was more like about $32 per year.
I know what you mean. I don't really want the hassle of dual-booting, so I've stuck with Windows on my desktop system for now due to software I use that is made for Windows. However I've given some thought to switching to Linux as a desktop OS and running Windows in a VM. That way I wouldn't
good for you, dickwad. keep tallying up the counts.
One of the things that I just found on my NAS was a complete hard drive backup of my BBS way back when.
It includes the DOS 6.0 OS, my original WWIV modified site, GEcho, FrontDoor, WWIVToss ... oh man. =)
I know what you mean. I don't really want the hassle of dual-booting, sohave
I've stuck with Windows on my desktop system for now due to software I use that is made for Windows. However I've given some thought to switching to Linux as a desktop OS and running Windows in a VM. That way I wouldn't
to dual-boot.
Yeah, I was wrong, it was more like about $32 per year.
that even seems too low.
less than 3 usd a month?
Windows has an actual Linux Subsystem in beta... you can use the entire Ubuntu userland directly in windows (including bash, ruby, python etc).. not virtualized. Been meaning to take some time to set it up... I'm kind of curious if dosemu will work in it.
Current HTPC is an i3-5010, same for spare in bedroom (mostly off), NAS is an old 4-drive synology box... desktop is a bit of a beast i7-4790K, 4gb GTX-970 SC, 32gb ram, 1.5tb of SSD storage. Desktop is running the BBS,
and a couple of VMs, rarely goes above 5% cpu load (running around 1-2% right now).
Re: Re: New BBS and Doors
By: tracker1 to Nightfox on Sat Apr 30 2016 17:18:15
Windows has an actual Linux Subsystem in beta... you can use the entire Ubuntu userland directly in windows (including bash, ruby, python etc).. not virtualized. Been meaning to take some time to set it up... I'm kind of curious if dosemu will work in it.
Interesting.. I had heard of Cygwin, but I didn't know Windows has a Linux subsystem now. Do you know if it's new in Windows 10, or if it had existed earlier?
Interesting.. I had heard of Cygwin, but I didn't know Windows has a
Linux subsystem now. Do you know if it's new in Windows 10, or if it
had existed earlier?
It's new for Windows 10 only, but it sounds like a disappointment to me (e.g. you can't run native Windows programs from within the Linux/bash environment). If you need/want bash on Windows, it sounds like cygwin is still the better option.
Re: Re: New BBS and Doors
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Sun May 01 2016 14:23:48
Interesting.. I had heard of Cygwin, but I didn't know Windows has a
Linux subsystem now. Do you know if it's new in Windows 10, or if it
had existed earlier?
It's new for Windows 10 only, but it sounds like a disappointment to me (e.g. you can't run native Windows programs from within the Linux/bash environment). If you need/want bash on Windows, it sounds like cygwin is still the better option.
Interesting.. So does the Linux subsystem run Linux software then?
Computers also tend to generate a fair amount of heat... netbooks don't use much power, and also, A/C costs more to cool those hotter computers, ymmv.
tracker1 wrote to Mro <=-
Computers also tend to generate a fair amount of heat... netbooks don't use much power, and also, A/C costs more to cool those hotter
computers, ymmv.
I think I made more money back then too. There was a lot less competition.
Computers also tend to generate a fair amount of heat... netbooks
don't use much power, and also, A/C costs more to cool those hotter
computers, ymmv.
That's why my BBSs run on Pis. :)
HusTler wrote to Vk3jed <=-
That's why my BBSs run on Pis. :)
You run your BBS on Piss?
... A little inaccuracy sometimes saves tons of explanation.
Synchronet "Real Fact" #20:
The first commericial sale of Synchronet was to Las Vegas Playground BBS
Synchronet "Real Fact" #20:
The first commericial sale of Synchronet was to Las Vegas Playground
BBS
How much were you selling it for back then?
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Re: New BBS and Doors
By: Digital Man to Patch on Fri Apr 22 2016 23:08:02
Synchronet "Real Fact" #20:
The first commericial sale of Synchronet was to Las Vegas Playground BBS
How much were you selling it for back then?
managers and custom setups. It was the thing to do. And then
eventually I got tired of all the customizing.
On 04-12-21 12:46, Knightbbs wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Re: Re: New BBS and Doors
By: Vk3jed to Knight on Wed Apr 27 2016 08:48 am
managers and custom setups. It was the thing to do. And then
eventually I got tired of all the customizing.
I agree with you there. A lot of attention has gone to the graphical
side of the Linux desktop distributions. The multitude of "spins" on an arch, debian or Redhat base system have taken away a lot of attention
to what realy matters: Good applications. There is a movement that
says "Stop making distro's and start making apps" and I totally agree
with them.
I'm a cross platform geek that jumps from Windows to the Mac and Linux
and looks for ways to let technology work for me. Been doing a podcast
about that for a couple of years now. So i can say that each has its
own charm and power. There is still a way to go for the hardware
Looks like you replied to the wrong message, I didn't say the bit you quoted, but I'll bite. :)
I like to run cross platform as well - horses for courses. No Mac here, unfortunately, but a healthy mix of Linux and Windows runs here. :)
On 04-15-21 13:02, Knightbbs wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Re: Re: New BBS and Doors
By: Vk3jed to Knightbbs on Wed Apr 14 2021 06:11 pm
Looks like you replied to the wrong message, I didn't say the bit you quoted, but I'll bite. :)
Ha :) Now there is a nice way to start a conversation :) Helleuw !
Ha :) Now there is a nice way to start a conversation :) Helleuw !
Haha. ;)
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