Subject: SecureCRT settings for BBSing
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Hi All,

I woudl like to know if anyone has any success to Telnet a BBS using SecureCRT (I have v.7.1.1) and have ANSI art diplayed correctly?

I really like the functionality of this Telnet client and I use it a lot to login to my 1&1 servers and do maintenance.

For BBSing:

The text and colors are fine and can upload/download files (Ymodem) with no issues at all.

But the ANSI fonts and art is screwed up.

I used Xterm with Courier font (similar to Putty's defaults), changed to ANSI, VT100, and other font combinations, to no avail.

Has anyone found the 'sweet settings' to get SecureCRT to display BBS ANSI menus correctly?

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Re: SecureCRT settings for BBSing
By: Papadopoulos to All on Wed Oct 19 2016 07:33 pm

I woudl like to know if anyone has any success to Telnet a BBS using SecureCRT (I have v.7.1.1) and have ANSI art diplayed correctly?
I used Xterm with Courier font (similar to Putty's defaults), changed to ANSI, VT100, and other font combinations, to no avail.

Has anyone found the 'sweet settings' to get SecureCRT to display BBS ANSI menus correctly?

If SecureCRT supports setting also the codepage to CP437, the graphics should look a bit better, though likely not perfect.

I use PuTTY sometimes and the CP437 codepage seems to do best with either VT100 or ANSI terminal type.

Nothing really beats SyncTERM that I've found. (though I haven't looked once I started using SyncTerm)

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Re: SecureCRT settings for BBSing
By: Hemo to Papadopoulos on Wed Oct 19 2016 11:26 pm

Thank you Hemo!

After your post I searched to see if SecureCRT supports the CP437 character set, and found that it doesn't support it directly. With some
settings it can however come close. (Lucida Console Font, OEM Character Encoding and enable Use "Unicode Line Drawing").

I verified these settings, as you said rendering is not perfect, but looks good. Not anywhere the mess I was seing before!

Thanks again.

If SecureCRT supports setting also the codepage to CP437, the graphics should look a bit better, though likely not perfect.

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Re: SecureCRT settings for BBSing
By: Hemo to Papadopoulos on Wed Oct 19 2016 11:26 pm

Re: SecureCRT settings for BBSing
By: Papadopoulos to All on Wed Oct 19 2016 07:33 pm

I woudl like to know if anyone has any success to Telnet a BBS using SecureCRT (I have v.7.1.1) and have ANSI art diplayed correctly?
I used Xterm with Courier font (similar to Putty's defaults), changed to ANSI, VT100, and other font combinations, to no avail.

Has anyone found the 'sweet settings' to get SecureCRT to display BBS ANSI menus correctly?

If SecureCRT supports setting also the codepage to CP437, the graphics should look a bit better, though likely not perfect.

I use PuTTY sometimes and the CP437 codepage seems to do best with either VT100 or ANSI terminal type.

secureCRT is normally what people use until they use something better.
he needs the correct codepage and font.
if he's on windows he should just use mtelnet

Nothing really beats SyncTERM that I've found. (though I haven't looked
once I started using SyncTerm)

mtelnet or netrunner beat it on windows.
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Nothing really beats SyncTERM that I've found. (though I haven't
looked once I started using SyncTerm)

mtelnet or netrunner beat it on windows.

I think mTelnet and NetRunner look nice, but as far as drawing ANSI, they seem slower than SyncTerm.

Nightfox

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Re: SecureCRT settings for BBSing
By: Mro to All on Thu Oct 20 2016 03:44 pm

mtelnet or netrunner beat it on windows.

Gross. Spray some Windex on that shit.


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Re: SecureCRT settings for BBSing
By: Digital Man to Mro on Thu Oct 20 2016 02:35 pm

Re: SecureCRT settings for BBSing
By: Mro to All on Thu Oct 20 2016 03:44 pm

mtelnet or netrunner beat it on windows.

Gross. Spray some Windex on that shit.

beat it on windows, not "beat off on windows" !
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Re: SecureCRT settings for BBSing
By: Nightfox to Mro on Thu Oct 20 2016 02:36 pm

Nothing really beats SyncTERM that I've found. (though I haven't
looked once I started using SyncTerm)

mtelnet or netrunner beat it on windows.

I think mTelnet and NetRunner look nice, but as far as drawing ANSI, they seem slower than SyncTerm.

i dont know why, because works the same on my computers. maybe for you it is a hardware issue with your video card.
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Hello Nightfox!

20 Oct 16 14:36, you wrote to Mro:

Nothing really beats SyncTERM that I've found. (though I haven't
looked once I started using SyncTerm)

mtelnet or netrunner beat it on windows.

I think mTelnet and NetRunner look nice, but as far as drawing ANSI,
they seem slower than SyncTerm.

I use both Syncterm and ZOC7 term.

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I think mTelnet and NetRunner look nice, but as far as drawing ANSI,
they seem slower than SyncTerm.

i dont know why, because works the same on my computers. maybe for you it is a hardware issue with your video card.

My video card has an Nvidia GeForce chip. I know a lot of people use Nvidia GeForce, and if it had such simple rendering problems, I'd think they would have
fixed it by now. Besides, ANSI rendering should not be that taxing on modern hardware. If one piece of software is able to render ANSI faster than another, I
doubt it's a hardware issue.

Nightfox

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Re: SecureCRT settings for BBSing
By: Nightfox to Mro on Fri Oct 21 2016 08:59 am

i dont know why, because works the same on my computers. maybe for you it is a hardware issue with your video card.

My video card has an Nvidia GeForce chip. I know a lot of people use
Nvidia GeForce, and if it had such simple rendering problems, I'd think

there's a LOT of different nvideo gforce chips. they've used that name for their product line for a long time.

they would have
fixed it by now. Besides, ANSI rendering should not be that taxing on modern hardware. If one piece of software is able to render ANSI faster than another, I
doubt it's a hardware issue.

i thought you were a programmer. certainly a conflict of hardware and software can cause issues. i dont know how you could think i implied that ansi graphic rendering is taxing the processor of the video card.

regardless, there's no speed issues and i've used it on many computers with many different types of hardware.

furthermore, why are you so concerned about the speed of your ansi menus loading. you arent doing FPS gaming with your bbs.
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Re: SecureCRT settings for BBSing
By: Mro to Nightfox on Sat Oct 22 2016 09:08 am

furthermore, why are you so concerned about the speed of your ansi menus loading. you arent doing FPS gaming with your bbs.

Yea, Telnet is pretty much... well INSTANT. lol

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Re: SecureCRT settings for BBSing
By: Mro to Nightfox on Sat Oct 22 2016 09:08:12

i thought you were a programmer. certainly a conflict of hardware and software can cause issues.

Yeah it's possible, just seems difficult to be sure in all cases. It's also possible that something about the different software can affect ANSI rendering speed. Perhaps mTelnet and NetRunner are simulating a certain connection speed whereas SyncTerm isn't (SyncTerm has the ability to simulate different connection speeds, but its default is not to do that, and it will render ANSI as fast as it downloads).

i dont know how you could think i implied that
ansi graphic rendering is taxing the processor of the video card.

You did say maybe it was a hardware issue with the video card:

i dont know why, because works the same on my computers. maybe for
you it is a hardware issue with your video card.

Anyway I wasn't saying you were implying that ANSI rendering is taxing, I was just saying I have a fairly modern PC and I wouldn't expect the hardware to have an issue rendering ANSI.

furthermore, why are you so concerned about the speed of your ansi menus loading. you arent doing FPS gaming with your bbs.

I didn't say I was really concerned about it (not sure where you got that),
I was just commenting that SyncTerm seems to render ANSI faster. I guess I'm just used to SyncTerm so the speed of displaying ANSI was just something I noticed in mTelnet and NetRunner. Anyway it's not really a big deal to me. Sometimes I do use mTelnet or NetRunner, as I think they look more like the comm programs I used to use in the 90s.

Nightfox

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Re: SecureCRT settings for BBSing
By: Nightfox to Mro on Sat Oct 22 2016 02:30 pm

rendering speed. Perhaps mTelnet and NetRunner are simulating a certain connection speed whereas SyncTerm isn't (SyncTerm has the ability to simulate different connection speeds, but its default is not to do that,
and it will render ANSI as fast as it downloads).

mtelnet doesnt do any of that.

I was just commenting that SyncTerm seems to render ANSI faster. I guess I'm just used to SyncTerm so the speed of displaying ANSI was just
something I noticed in mTelnet and NetRunner. Anyway it's not really a big deal to me. Sometimes I do use mTelnet or NetRunner, as I think they look

i dont really notice any difference on my systems.
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Re: SecureCRT settings for BBSing
By: Mro to Nightfox on Thu Oct 20 2016 20:54:18

I think mTelnet and NetRunner look nice, but as far as drawing ANSI,
they seem slower than SyncTerm.

i dont know why, because works the same on my computers. maybe for you it
is a hardware issue with your video card.

It's probably a matter of the GUI rendering that SyncTERM does being faster on a system with accellerated graphics than the textmode processing that mTelnet and NetRunner need.

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Re: SecureCRT settings for BBSing
By: Nightfox to Mro on Fri Oct 21 2016 08:59:54

My video card has an Nvidia GeForce chip. I know a lot of people use Nvidia GeForce, and if it had such simple rendering problems, I'd think they would have
fixed it by now. Besides, ANSI rendering should not be that taxing on modern hardware. If one piece of software is able to render ANSI faster than another, I
doubt it's a hardware issue.

It probably isn't a hardware issue, it probably comes down to text-mode rendered apps vs native rendered... SyncTERM should use a gui rendering library by default which is probably faster than the textmode subsystem the other apps in quesion are using... it's a mater of native vs simulated.

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Re: SecureCRT settings for BBSing
By: tracker1 to Mro on Mon Oct 24 2016 07:35 pm

i dont know why, because works the same on my computers. maybe for you
it is a hardware issue with your video card.

It's probably a matter of the GUI rendering that SyncTERM does being faster on a system with accellerated graphics than the textmode processing that mTelnet and NetRunner need.

it's probably some sdl shit that works different on different computers.

anyways, never noticed a difference.
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My video card has an Nvidia GeForce chip. I know a lot of people use
Nvidia GeForce, and if it had such simple rendering problems, I'd
think they would have
fixed it by now. Besides, ANSI rendering should not be that taxing
on modern hardware. If one piece of software is able to render ANSI
faster than another, I
doubt it's a hardware issue.

It probably isn't a hardware issue, it probably comes down to text-mode rendered apps vs native rendered... SyncTERM should use a gui rendering library by default which is probably faster than the textmode subsystem the other apps in quesion are using... it's a mater of native vs simulated.

That sounds like a possibility.

Nightfox