Anyone else have residential security cameras installed on their house?

I use a combination of cameras (a total of 10 currently):
- various USB webcams (Logitech, Microsoft)
- Foscam IP/Wifi cameras (e.g. C1)
- Vivotek IP/PoE bullet cam
- Old Panasonic camcorder (firewire)
- Old Linksys WVC210 (PTZ), Ethernet

All attached to Windows security-camera package: Blue Iris

Oh, and a 200 LED IR-Emitter.

I've performed similar installs for friends and family, mostly using Foscam cameras.

We just had a car break-in last week (https://youtu.be/vUEWeL7jW2Y) and the captured video doesn't seem to be much help in identifying the suspect (yet).

I've since added some motion-detection flood lights and adjusted some of the camera angels and fixed the low-resolution (640x480 instead of 1080p) of the one camera which happened to capture the suspect.

I'm considering adding another Wifi outdoor camera, probably bullet camera (2MP+). PT[Z] (pan/tilt, zoom) cameras can be handy, but I find usually its more of a pain than its worth. Sometimes the PTZ cameras will move themselves into a useless position all by themselves.

Also, been having fun with the Blue Iris feature to send audio to the camera when it triggers (detects motion) - possibly spooking the "bad guys".

If you have experience/opions with security cameras, let me know!

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Re: Security cameras
By: Digital Man to All on Sun Apr 22 2018 09:04 pm

Anyone else have residential security cameras installed on their house?

I use a combination of cameras (a total of 10 currently):
- various USB webcams (Logitech, Microsoft)
- Foscam IP/Wifi cameras (e.g. C1)
- Vivotek IP/PoE bullet cam
- Old Panasonic camcorder (firewire)
- Old Linksys WVC210 (PTZ), Ethernet

All attached to Windows security-camera package: Blue Iris

Oh, and a 200 LED IR-Emitter.

I've performed similar installs for friends and family, mostly using Foscam cameras.

i go on vacation maybe 3 times a year and i use some cheap cameras with led lights around the face and the webcam ip software.

i tape the cameras in the inside of the window and have it facing my driveway. then i have some in the house, and i have one pointed in the front of the house.


webcamxp has great motion detection and audio detection and it can snap a pic and send it to your email address or it can can record videos, or do both and more. email, web server, ftp, sms.

it's very feature rich. it's try before you buy so i recommend checking it out. works with most cameras.
sorry to hear you had a break in. i recommend getting a dog for outside.
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We just had a car break-in last week (https://youtu.be/vUEWeL7jW2Y) and the captured video doesn't seem to be much help in identifying the suspect (yet).

Commentary, Why has it come to this? Remember when we didn't need cameras on our property because people respected other peoples things? As fun as it is to have security cameras that are internet linked, for the justice porn and "lulz", I don't like living like this.

Though I'm sure I've just been living under some kind of privileged umbrella my whole life... /sigh.

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Re: Security cameras
By: Android8675 to Digital Man on Tue Apr 24 2018 08:46 am

We just had a car break-in last week (https://youtu.be/vUEWeL7jW2Y) and the captured video doesn't seem to be much help in identifying the suspect (yet).

Commentary, Why has it come to this? Remember when we didn't need cameras on our property because people respected other peoples things? As fun as it is to have security cameras that are internet linked, for the justice porn and "lulz", I don't like living like this.

Though I'm sure I've just been living under some kind of privileged umbrella my whole life... /sigh.

I had my second (third?) vehicle stolen from in front of my house when I was 19 or 20, in a decent middle-class neighborhood in Orange County, California. That was around 1990.

While living in that same house, I later (around '95) worked for some camera-related tech companies and had a lot of security/webcams to experiment with - the quality was crap compared to what we have now, but still, the cameras were useful to catch the occasional prowler or theif. So at least from my perspective, not much has changed. :-(

digital man

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Re: Security cameras
By: Android8675 to Digital Man on Tue Apr 24 2018 08:46 am

Commentary, Why has it come to this? Remember when we didn't need cameras on our property because people respected other peoples things? As fun as it is to have security cameras that are internet linked, for the justice porn and "lulz", I don't like living like this.

Though I'm sure I've just been living under some kind of privileged umbrella my whole life... /sigh.

There has always been crime; we just have better ways of monitoring for it now.

Recently I heard about someone who makes decoy boxes you can put outside your door and when a thief comes to pick it up, it makes a small booming noise like a firecracker that startles the thief. He recorded a few people picking them up from his door with a security camera, and it was funny to watch the thieves run off after the box made the noise.

I've visited Brazil a few times, and one thing I noticed is that they have gates around most of their houses & apartments there to help prevent thieves coming in (whereas such gates are rare in the US).

Nightfox

Re: Security cameras
By: Digital Man to Android8675 on Tue Apr 24 2018 10:51 am

I had my second (third?) vehicle stolen from in front of my house when I was 19 or 20, in a decent middle-class neighborhood in Orange County, California. That was around 1990.

It's too bad that there are thieves that do that sort of thing.
One time I had a car that was broken into, and they ripped the face off the car stereo, and it wasn't even a detachable face. I thought it was funny that they probably got something they couldn't use, but it was frustrating since I had to get my window fixed and buy a new stereo for the car.

Nightfox

Re: Security cameras
By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Tue Apr 24 2018 01:17 pm

Re: Security cameras
By: Digital Man to Android8675 on Tue Apr 24 2018 10:51 am

I had my second (third?) vehicle stolen from in front of my house when I was 19 or 20, in a decent middle-class neighborhood in Orange County, California. That was around 1990.

It's too bad that there are thieves that do that sort of thing.
One time I had a car that was broken into, and they ripped the face off the car stereo, and it wasn't even a detachable face. I thought it was funny that they probably got something they couldn't use, but it was frustrating since I had to get my window fixed and buy a new stereo for the car.

Thieves aren't very considerate of damage to your property. :-)

With this recent theft, the anger is more about the invasion and resulting feeling of insecurity (it was the family/wife's vehicle) and all of us (including my 3 daughters) were home at the time. Our dog alerted us and we even saw the getaway vehicle drive away, but by then it was too late.

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Re: Security cameras
By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Tue Apr 24 2018 01:17 pm

I had my second (third?) vehicle stolen from in front of my house
when I was 19 or 20, in a decent middle-class neighborhood in Orange
County, California. That was around 1990.

It's too bad that there are thieves that do that sort of thing.
One time I had a car that was broken into, and they ripped the face off

I think security cameras are great for society. Every night on the evening news security cameras show muggings, attemped rape, robberies etc. In the 1990's most offenders got away with their crimes. These days this scumb gets IDed by cameras. Some may complain it's a crumby way to live or complain about their privacy but I'd give up all my privacy rights just to have the oppotrunity to catch the low life scumb that steals or harms others. I say we need more cameras. That's my 2 cents on the subject.

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Re: Security cameras
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Tue Apr 24 2018 02:38 pm

With this recent theft, the anger is more about the invasion and resulting feeling of insecurity (it was the family/wife's vehicle) and all of us (including my 3 daughters) were home at the time. Our dog alerted us and we even saw the getaway vehicle drive away, but by then it was too late.

Yes, there's always the anger about the invasion, and the feeling of insecurity. When my car was broken into, I felt anger that there are people who feel a need to break into peoples' property to steal things. And I always hope to feel secure with where I live, but unfortunately that isn't always the case.

Nightfox

Re: Security cameras
By: HusTler to All on Tue Apr 24 2018 04:24 pm

I think security cameras are great for society. Every night on the evening news security cameras show muggings, attemped rape, robberies etc. In the 1990's most offenders got away with their crimes. These days this scumb gets IDed by cameras. Some may complain it's a crumby way to live or complain about their privacy but I'd give up all my privacy rights just to have the oppotrunity to catch the low life scumb that steals or harms others. I say we need more cameras. That's my 2 cents on the subject.

I think security cameras on private property and in shops are good, since those are the places that are most vulnerable, but generally I don't like the idea of cameras out in just any public place to generally watch people.

Nightfox

Re: Security cameras
By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Tue Apr 24 2018 01:17 pm

One time I had a car that was broken into, and they ripped the face off the car stereo, and it wasn't even a detachable face. I thought it was funny that they probably got something they couldn't use, but it was frustrating since I had to get my window fixed and buy a new stereo for the car.

Yeah, criminals. I had an old VW Rabbit when I went to school in San Francisco. Parked alongside the dorms one night, a thief tried to pry off the door handle with a large flathead screwdriver. Then, broke the vent window when that didn't work. Used the screwdriver to pry the stereo out of the dash, cracking the dashboard and the faceplate. Ended up dropping the screwdriver and taking my crappy Sanyo AM/FM/Cassette Stereo - remember the kind that didn't even rewind? Fast forward only, if you wanted to rewind you needed to flip the tape over.


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Android8675 wrote to Digital Man <=-

Commentary, Why has it come to this? Remember when we didn't need
cameras on our property because people respected other peoples things?
As fun as it is to have security cameras that are internet linked, for
the justice porn and "lulz", I don't like living like this.

Though I'm sure I've just been living under some kind of privileged umbrella my whole life... /sigh.

I moved up into the hills quite a few years ago to escape the crap in the city.

Now we've started seeing all kinds of crime up here in just the past couple of years. Trailer, Boats and Cars stolen. Smash and Grab at our little Ace
ardware
Store the other day. Break-Ins..... On and On..... We have a 90lbs Boxer that keeps the rif-raf away from our place, but often fear they might hurt her...


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Re: Security cameras
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Tue Apr 24 2018 03:09 pm

Yeah, criminals. I had an old VW Rabbit when I went to school in San Francisco. Parked alongside the dorms one night, a thief tried to pry off the door handle with a large flathead screwdriver. Then, broke the vent window when that didn't work. Used the screwdriver to pry the stereo out of the dash, cracking the dashboard and the faceplate. Ended up dropping the screwdriver and taking my crappy Sanyo AM/FM/Cassette Stereo - remember the kind that didn't even rewind? Fast forward only, if you wanted to rewind you needed to flip the tape over.

I know someone who used to have a 1980 VW Scirocco (always seemed similar to me to the old VW Rabbit) which used to get broken into relatively often. One time there were no broken windows, and after a while he discovered a hole underneath the passenger door handle - The thief probably poked a screwdriver or something up there to push up the lock pin to unlock the door. It was fairly insecure after thinking about it.. I've almost forgotten, back then most cars had door lock pins sticking up from the inside of the door which you would push down to lock the door. I suppose it would be fairly easy to push up the lock pin with something like a screwdriver inserted from the outside of the door. These days, most cars don't have those and rely instead on electronic power locking.

Nightfox

Re: Security cameras
By: Android8675 to Digital Man on Tue Apr 24 2018 08:46 am

Commentary, Why has it come to this? Remember when we didn't need cameras on our property because people respected other peoples things? As fun as it is

I think it is because of the social isolation. It used to be we all knew our neighbors, we all looked out for one another. Nowadays, I speak to a neighbor and I get a dirty look from some of them. They just want to run inside, slam the door shut and order crap from Amazon and have everything delivered. They don't want to participate in neighborhood programs, have a community get-together or anything that involves people. Then they stay on Facebook all day long posting about how DANGEROUS it is outside and how SCARED they are to open their doors.

I will say this, though, the new generation behind these Millenials seems to be embracing some of the old ways. Gen-Z is more social, more outgoing and more willing to dump the digital nonsense and get outside. I am excited about this new generation and have high hopes they will help us become more of a society again.


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Re: Security cameras
By: Dmxrob to Android8675 on Tue Apr 24 2018 06:28 pm

I think it is because of the social isolation. It used to be we all knew our neighbors, we all looked out for one another. Nowadays, I speak to a neighbor and I get a dirty look from some of them. They just want to run inside, slam the door shut and order crap from Amazon and have everything delivered. They don't want to participate in neighborhood programs, have a community get-together or anything that involves people. Then they stay on Facebook all day long posting about how DANGEROUS it is outside and how SCARED they are to open their doors.

Yeah, I wish it was easier to talk to people in general. One thing about the neighborhood I live in (at least my street) is that most of my neighbors are older than me - They might not be the same generation as me, but I think being older, they seem more social and are fairly easy to talk to.

I tend to be an introvert, so I suppose I'm not always the easiest person to talk to, but I enjoy good conversation and being able to get along well with my neighbors and people in general. I'll admit I've been guilty of spending time on my PC more than being outside talking with neighbors & such though.

I will say this, though, the new generation behind these Millenials seems to be embracing some of the old ways. Gen-Z is more social, more outgoing and more willing to dump the digital nonsense and get outside. I am excited about this new generation and have high hopes they will help us become more of a society again.

It seems to depend on the person. I've seen a lot of millennials who are stuck to their smart phones and other devices much of the time. But I've also seen many millennials who are also very health-conscious, more so than the older generation.

Nightfox

Re: Security cameras
By: Android8675 to Digital Man on Tue Apr 24 2018 08:46 am

We just had a car break-in last week (https://youtu.be/vUEWeL7jW2Y) and the captured video doesn't seem to be much help in identifying the suspect (yet).

Commentary, Why has it come to this? Remember when we didn't need cameras on our property because people respected other peoples things? As fun as it is to have security cameras that are internet linked, for the justice porn and "lulz", I don't like living like this.

maybe it's an increase of heroin usage?
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Re: Security cameras
By: MRO to Android8675 on Tue Apr 24 2018 19:32:09

Commentary, Why has it come to this? Remember when we didn't need
cameras on our property because people respected other peoples things?
As fun as it is to have security cameras that are internet linked, for
the justice porn and "lulz", I don't like living like this.

maybe it's an increase of heroin usage?

Look at the data.. when "The War On Drugs" started, is when most all the violence, robbing, pillage, etc.. started.. Let people be responsible for what they put in their body and get "big brother" out of everyones business and this will all go away. for profit prisons, and the politicians who are lobbied to keep them running are causing all the issues we have right now. And an increase in opiate usage does'nt mean an increase in herion usage.. I pretty much live in the middle of the "Opium Belt" and herion is not an issue here.. Big Pharma is.. and the states are happy to slap you with a number, put you out on probation with that stigma attached and keep you on their merry go round of addiction, imprisonment, release, and do it all over again..

Get rid of the war on drugs and for-profit prisions.. crime will go away.. We are a product of our own doing.. or our "elected officials" doing..

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Re: Security cameras
By: Dmxrob to Android8675 on Tue Apr 24 2018 06:28 pm

I will say this, though, the new generation behind these Millenials seems to be embracing some of the old ways. Gen-Z is more social, more outgoing and more willing to dump the digital nonsense and get outside.

Or, combine them - I've seen hiking meetups and photo crawls on meetup.com - the best of both worlds.

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Re: Security cameras
By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Apr 24 2018 04:32 pm

I know someone who used to have a 1980 VW Scirocco (always seemed similar to me to the old VW Rabbit) which used to get broken into relatively often. One time there were no broken windows, and after a while he discovered a hole underneath the passenger door handle - The thief probably poked a screwdriver or something up there to push up the lock pin to unlock the door.

They tried that with mine - you could buy these thick metal guards that fit under the door handles that made that impossible, but the older VWs had vent windows that were easy to break.

Great little cars, though - fit 4 people and had room for stuff. Mine was a diesel, got 48 mpg in the 1980s, maintenance was just gas tires and oil.

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Re: Security cameras
By: Nightfox to Dmxrob on Tue Apr 24 2018 05:29 pm

Yeah, I wish it was easier to talk to people in general. One thing about the neighborhood I live in (at least my street) is that most of my neighbors are older than me - They might not be the same generation as me, but I think being older, they seem more social and are fairly easy to talk to.

Mine, too. Lots of retirees and parents, all dog owners. We all wave when we drive by, stop and chat while walking our dogs. It's nice.

I will say this, though, the new generation behind these Millenials
seems to be embracing some of the old ways. Gen-Z is more social, more Dm>> outgoing and more willing to dump the digital nonsense and get
outside. I am excited about this new generation and have high hopes
they will help us become more of a society again.

I think that this current generation is lost. When they come out with a brain implant interface and people aren't hunched over phones it might get better.

I was at a restaurant last weekend, getting drinks for my wife and I while we waited for our table. I was standing at the edge of the bar when a threesome came up to sit down. A girl in her early 20s wanted to sit in a chair in
front of me, sort of looked at me and said "Can I sit there?" with a bit of a tone. I backed up, and all 3 proceeded to sit down and get on their phones in silence.

I'm glad I'm married. I couldn't imagine being on a date and having my date pull out her phone. I've seen that happen at restaurants repeatedly.

I'd walk out.

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Re: Security cameras
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Wed Apr 25 2018 06:24 am

Great little cars, though - fit 4 people and had room for stuff. Mine was a diesel, got 48 mpg in the 1980s, maintenance was just gas tires and oil.

Yeah, the older VWs always seemed like good reliable cars. I currently have a 2009 VW Rabbit and almost thought of buying a diesel, but they didn't offer diesel for that model year. I suppose it's good I didn't buy a VW diesel, as I've avoided the hassle with the VW diesel emissions testing scandal. I've heard VW has offered a fix for the issue, but it compromises performance a bit.

Nightfox

Re: Security cameras
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Wed Apr 25 2018 06:24 am

Great little cars, though - fit 4 people and had room for stuff. Mine was a diesel, got 48 mpg in the 1980s, maintenance was just gas tires and oil.

I *hope* you didn't put *gas* in your diesel VW. :-)

digital man

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Re: Security cameras
By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Apr 25 2018 09:34 am

Yeah, the older VWs always seemed like good reliable cars. I currently have a 2009 VW Rabbit and almost thought of buying a diesel, but they didn't offer diesel for that model year. I suppose it's good I didn't buy a VW diesel, as I've avoided the hassle with the VW diesel emissions testing scandal. I've heard VW has offered a fix for the issue, but it compromises performance a bit.

I don't know when they started gaming the system, but new diesels seem to be a pain. The newer ones add urea to the fuel to tame the emissions, and they apparently mod the car not to run if you run out of urea. I have no idea
how much manufacturers charge to replenish it, but seeing as it's
proprietary I don't think it's cheap. Seems counter to the idea that diesels are low maintenance and low-tech.

The VWs didn't require a urea system, which is how they got into the mess of gaming the engines to detune when they sensed they were being tested.

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Re: Security cameras
By: Digital Man to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Apr 25 2018 11:27 am

I *hope* you didn't put *gas* in your diesel VW. :-)

A friend of mine loaned his Rabbit Diesel to a friend, who overlooked the DIESEL FUEL ONLY sticker on the gas guage and the filler door, and put a couple of bucks worth of unleaded into it.

That can destroy the injector pump, because it's lubricated by the diesel fuel going into it. Luekily for him, it died a quarter mile away, and 5 gallons of diesel diluted the gas enough so it ran poorly, but made it back to the gas station for a full fillup. 2 gallons of unleaded and 8 gallons of diesel seemed to clear itself out OK.

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Re: Security cameras
By: Nightfox to Dmxrob on Tue Apr 24 2018 05:29 pm

I tend to be an introvert, so I suppose I'm not always the easiest person to talk to, but I enjoy good conversation and being able to get along well with my neighbors and people in general. I'll admit I've been guilty of spending time on my PC more than being outside talking with neighbors & such though.

When the weather is nice, like right now, I sit on my deck if I am
"BBSing" or whatnot. Gives me a chance to wave and say hello to people. I try to be outside as much as possible during the warm weather. Which here in St. Louis is like only 6 month it seems nowadays!


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Re: Security cameras
By: KK4QBN to MRO on Tue Apr 24 2018 10:50 pm

Look at the data.. when "The War On Drugs" started, is when most all the violence, robbing, pillage, etc.. started.. Let people be responsible for what they put in their body and get "big brother" out of everyones business and this will all go away. for profit prisons, and the politicians who are

I lean very liberal, but I agree with this. I live in the area of the country known for meth. Where I am in the St. Louis area it is not too bad, but we run a BnB over in Boonville, MO and it's crazy bad around there. To the point I say let them kill themselves and the problem will take care of itself!


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Re: Security cameras
By: Dmxrob to Nightfox on Wed Apr 25 2018 06:02 pm

When the weather is nice, like right now, I sit on my deck if I am "BBSing" or whatnot. Gives me a chance to wave and say hello to people. I try to be outside as much as possible during the warm weather. Which here in St. Louis is like only 6 month it seems nowadays!

Where I live (northwest Oregon), we joke that our summer sunny weather lasts about 2 weeks out of the year.. We tend to get a lot of rain in the year, though our summers do tend to be relatively dry (the only 2 weeks of sun is a bit of an exaggeration). I don't like heat much myself though - above about 80-85 or so feels a bit too warm for me. We usually have some days in the summer where it's above 90, and sometimes a few days where it's above 100, and I just want to stay indoors when it's that hot out. Sometimes I wonder how my car doesn't overheat in that kind of weather.

Nightfox

Re: Security cameras
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Digital Man on Wed Apr 25 2018 03:22 pm

A friend of mine loaned his Rabbit Diesel to a friend, who overlooked the DIESEL FUEL ONLY sticker on the gas guage and the filler door, and put a couple of bucks worth of unleaded into it.

That can destroy the injector pump, because it's lubricated by the diesel fuel going into it. Luekily for him, it died a quarter mile away, and 5 gallons of diesel diluted the gas enough so it ran poorly, but made it back to the gas station for a full fillup. 2 gallons of unleaded and 8 gallons of diesel seemed to clear itself out OK.

Good to hear it worked out okay. In my state (Oregon), we can't pump our own gas, so there are gas station attendants who pump our gas for us. I could see there being lawsuits if the attendant accidentally pumps the wrong fuel into someone's vehicle. One time I had a car with a turbocharger, which I heard needs higher-octane gas to run properly. When I was getting the gas filled one time, I asked for the high-octane gas, but on my receipt I saw that they put in the regular, lowest-octane gas. It ran okay, and I was glad at least it wasn't a diesel/gas mixup.. It could have been worse.

Nightfox

Re: Security cameras
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Wed Apr 25 2018 03:19 pm

Re: Security cameras
By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Apr 25 2018 09:34 am

Yeah, the older VWs always seemed like good reliable cars. I currently have a 2009 VW Rabbit and almost thought of buying a diesel, but they didn't offer diesel for that model year. I suppose it's good I didn't buy a VW diesel, as I've avoided the hassle with the VW diesel emissions testing scandal. I've heard VW has offered a fix for the issue, but it compromises performance a bit.

I don't know when they started gaming the system, but new diesels seem to be a pain. The newer ones add urea to the fuel to tame the emissions, and they apparently mod the car not to run if you run out of urea. I have no idea
how much manufacturers charge to replenish it, but seeing as it's proprietary I don't think it's cheap. Seems counter to the idea that diesels are low maintenance and low-tech.

The VWs didn't require a urea system, which is how they got into the mess of gaming the engines to detune when they sensed they were being tested.

Okay, this is a joke, right?

digital man

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Re: Security cameras
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Digital Man on Wed Apr 25 2018 03:22 pm

Re: Security cameras
By: Digital Man to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Apr 25 2018 11:27 am

I *hope* you didn't put *gas* in your diesel VW. :-)

A friend of mine loaned his Rabbit Diesel to a friend, who overlooked the DIESEL FUEL ONLY sticker on the gas guage and the filler door, and put a couple of bucks worth of unleaded into it.

And your friend is lucky!

digital man

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Re: Security cameras
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Wed Apr 25 2018 06:29 am

front of me, sort of looked at me and said "Can I sit there?" with a bit of a tone. I backed up, and all 3 proceeded to sit down and get on their phones in silence.

Oh I love it when they use their "tone" with me or my husband. We are both in our mid-40s and like that line from the movie goes, "We are older and have more insurance". I just look at them and go "I don't know? CAN you sit there?"

I'm glad I'm married. I couldn't imagine being on a date and having my date pull out her phone. I've seen that happen at restaurants repeatedly.

I'd walk out.

We see this all the time and just laugh. We both have the rule of when we are with friends or out the rule is if someone is on their phone the very LOUD question is "Is there something more important happening on the phone?!"



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Re: Security cameras
By: Digital Man to Android8675 on Tue Apr 24 2018 10:51 am

I had my second (third?) vehicle stolen from in front of my house when I was 19 or 20, in a decent middle-class neighborhood in Orange County, California. That was around 1990.

While living in that same house, I later (around '95) worked for some camera-related tech companies and had a lot of security/webcams to experiment with - the quality was crap compared to what we have now, but still, the cameras were useful to catch the occasional prowler or theif. So at least from my perspective, not much has changed. :-(

Good to know, I know crime is getting crazy in San Francisco (people break into cars even if there's nothing visable in them, bikes, forgetaboutit). I grew up in Santa Cruz area mostly, guess I was fortunate. I've had my bikes pilfered a few times, my car broken into twice for shitty car stereos, both times I left the window down, but they still went in through the closed windows.

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Re: Security cameras
By: Dmxrob to Android8675 on Tue Apr 24 2018 06:28 pm

I will say this, though, the new generation behind these Millenials seems to be embracing some of the old ways. Gen-Z is more social, more outgoing and more willing to dump the digital nonsense and get outside. I am excited about this new generation and have high hopes they will help us become more of a society again.

That is super positive, thanks. Yeah, lots of push back against people just being assholes, good sign.

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Re: Security cameras
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Wed Apr 25 2018 06:24 am

Great little cars, though - fit 4 people and had room for stuff. Mine was a diesel, got 48 mpg in the 1980s, maintenance was just gas tires and oil.

I *hope* you didn't put *gas* in your diesel VW. :-)

Those old VW diesels would run on piss after a good night at the bar... :)


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Re: Security cameras
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Wed Apr 25 2018 03:19 pm

Re: Security cameras
By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Apr 25 2018 09:34 am

Yeah, the older VWs always seemed like good reliable cars. I currently have a 2009 VW Rabbit and almost thought of buying a diesel, but they didn't offer diesel for that model year. I suppose it's good I didn't buy a VW diesel, as I've avoided the hassle with the VW diesel emissions testing scandal. I've heard VW has offered a fix for the issue, but it compromises performance a bit.

I don't know when they started gaming the system, but new diesels seem to be a pain. The newer ones add urea to the fuel to tame the emissions, and they apparently mod the car not to run if you run out of urea. I have no idea
how much manufacturers charge to replenish it, but seeing as it's proprietary I don't think it's cheap. Seems counter to the idea that diesels are low maintenance and low-tech.

The VWs didn't require a urea system, which is how they got into the mess of gaming the engines to detune when they sensed they were being tested.

Okay, this is a joke, right?

Absolutely not. Newer (since 2011 for Ford) requires a 2nd tank of DEF (Diesel Emission Fluid). It's made up of 32.5% urea and 67.5% deionized water. It gets injected into the exhaust after the turbo before the cat. In truck stops it runs about 2.759/gallon but it lasts significanly longer than a tank of fuel.


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Re: Security cameras
By: Bill McGarrity to Digital Man on Wed Apr 25 2018 09:24 pm

Digital Man wrote to poindexter FORTRAN on 04-25-18 16:22 <=-

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Re: Security cameras
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Wed Apr 25 2018 03:19 pm

Re: Security cameras
By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Apr 25 2018 09:34 am

Yeah, the older VWs always seemed like good reliable cars. I currently have a 2009 VW Rabbit and almost thought of buying a diesel, but they didn't offer diesel for that model year. I suppose it's good I didn't buy a VW diesel, as I've avoided the hassle with the VW diesel emissions testing scandal. I've heard VW has offered a fix for the issue, but it compromises performance a bit.

I don't know when they started gaming the system, but new diesels seem to be a pain. The newer ones add urea to the fuel to tame the emissions, and they apparently mod the car not to run if you run out of urea. I have no idea
how much manufacturers charge to replenish it, but seeing as it's proprietary I don't think it's cheap. Seems counter to the idea that diesels are low maintenance and low-tech.

The VWs didn't require a urea system, which is how they got into the mess of gaming the engines to detune when they sensed they were being tested.

Okay, this is a joke, right?

Absolutely not. Newer (since 2011 for Ford) requires a 2nd tank of DEF (Diesel Emission Fluid). It's made up of 32.5% urea and 67.5% deionized water. It gets injected into the exhaust after the turbo before the cat. In truck stops it runs about 2.759/gallon but it lasts significanly longer than a tank of fuel.

... and you couldn't just piss in that 2nd tank? :-)

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Re: Security cameras
By: Digital Man to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Apr 25 2018 04:22 pm

Okay, this is a joke, right?

The urea system? Nope, wish it was. It was something they came up with to tame emissions, about the same time they came out with low-sulphur diesel
fuel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_exhaust_fluid

I guess DEF sounds better than urea.

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Re: Security cameras
By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Apr 25 2018 04:58 pm

turbocharger, which I heard needs higher-octane gas to run properly. When I was getting the gas filled one time, I asked for the high-octane gas, but on my receipt I saw that they put in the regular, lowest-octane gas.

Yeah, it'd run Ok, but predetonation (pinging) would be a problem.

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Re: Security cameras
By: Nightfox to Dmxrob on Wed Apr 25 2018 04:55 pm

a bit of an exaggeration). I don't like heat much myself though - above about 80-85 or so feels a bit too warm for me. We usually have some days in the summer where it's above 90, and sometimes a few days where it's above 100, and I just want to stay indoors when it's that hot out. Sometimes I

Here in St. Louis usually July and August are the hottest -- it is not unusual to have several days, if not weeks, in a row where we top the century mark.
The bonus is we also get 90% humidity to go with it.

Sometimes the fun starts as early as mid-June. It's not uncommon to have night temps that are only in the 70s (or during extreme heat spells the low 80s).


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Re: Security cameras
By: Digital Man to Bill McGarrity on Wed Apr 25 2018 19:26:01

Absolutely not. Newer (since 2011 for Ford) requires a 2nd tank of

DEF (Diesel Emission Fluid). It's made up of 32.5% urea and 67.5%
deionized water. It gets injected into the exhaust after the turbo
before the cat. In truck stops it runs about 2.759/gallon but it
lasts significanly longer than a tank of fuel.

... and you couldn't just piss in that 2nd tank? :-)

LOL, thats what I was wondering.

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Re: Security cameras
By: Bill McGarrity to Digital Man on Wed Apr 25 2018 09:24 pm

Absolutely not. Newer (since 2011 for Ford) requires a 2nd tank of DEF (Diesel Emission Fluid). It's made up of 32.5% urea and 67.5% deionized water. It gets injected into the exhaust after the turbo before the cat. In truck stops it runs about 2.759/gallon but it lasts significanly longer than a tank of fuel.

... and you couldn't just piss in that 2nd tank? :-)

Only if you mix it with 65% water... :) If you had a good night at the pub, driving to work the next day with flames coming out your exhaust could be possible.. lol!!




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Re: Security cameras
By: Dmxrob to Nightfox on Thu Apr 26 2018 07:34 am

Sometimes the fun starts as early as mid-June. It's not uncommon to have night temps that are only in the 70s (or during extreme heat spells the low 80s).

I was in Phoenix in July once, and the newscasters made a big point of the temperature dropping below 100 degrees. At 10:00pm.

The malls were open until midnight, mostly to give the goth kids some respite from the heat. Tough being gothy in that heat.

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I was in Phoenix in July once, and the newscasters made a big point of
the temperature dropping below 100 degrees. At 10:00pm.
The malls were open until midnight, mostly to give the goth kids some respite from the heat. Tough being gothy in that heat.

So convert them to Jewish, and let them wear white gowns! Or, perhaps convert them to muslim's and give them an extra bath towel.

Re: Security cameras
By: Dmxrob to Nightfox on Thu Apr 26 2018 07:34 am

Here in St. Louis usually July and August are the hottest -- it is not unusual to have several days, if not weeks, in a row where we top the century mark. The bonus is we also get 90% humidity to go with it.

Sometimes the fun starts as early as mid-June. It's not uncommon to have night temps that are only in the 70s (or during extreme heat spells the low 80s).

Yeah, I've visited Missouri in the summer and don't really like the heat and humidity. One of the worst sunburns I've had, I got in Missouri, although probably my fault as I spent the day swimming at a pool and forgot to wear sunscreen..

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Re: Security cameras
By: Android8675 to Dmxrob on Wed Apr 25 2018 06:29 pm

Re: Security cameras
By: Dmxrob to Android8675 on Tue Apr 24 2018 06:28 pm

I will say this, though, the new generation behind these Millenials seems to be embracing some of the old ways. Gen-Z is more social, more outgoing and more willing to dump the digital nonsense and get outside. I am excited about this new generation and have high hopes they will help us become more of a society again.

That is super positive, thanks. Yeah, lots of push back against people just being assholes, good sign.

hi, i'm old. all generations after me are stupid, self important whiners.
also young people arent dumping the digital nonsense and going outside.
i've got a 22 yr old son and a 13 year old step daughter.
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Re: Security cameras
By: MRO to Android8675 on Thu Apr 26 2018 06:04 pm

Re: Security cameras
By: Android8675 to Dmxrob on Wed Apr 25 2018 06:29 pm

Re: Security cameras
By: Dmxrob to Android8675 on Tue Apr 24 2018 06:28 pm

I will say this, though, the new generation behind these
Millenials seems to be embracing some of the old ways. Gen-Z is
more social, more outgoing and more willing to dump the digital
nonsense and get outside. I am excited about this new generation
and have high hopes they will help us become more of a society
again.

That is super positive, thanks. Yeah, lots of push back against people
just being assholes, good sign.

hi, i'm old. all generations after me are stupid, self important whiners. also young people arent dumping the digital nonsense and going outside. i've got a 22 yr old son and a 13 year old step daughter.

S'ok, i'm transitioning to being old, got a 6yo adopted daughter, i'm 47, so yeah not looking forward to pushing 60 when she's graduating. We're talking about another adoption, but it's gotta be an older child. I can't handle horsie rides for much longer. :)
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Re: Security cameras
By: Android8675 to MRO on Wed May 02 2018 08:29 am

hi, i'm old. all generations after me are stupid, self important whiners. also young people arent dumping the digital nonsense and going outside. i've got a 22 yr old son and a 13 year old step daughter.

S'ok, i'm transitioning to being old, got a 6yo adopted daughter, i'm 47, so yeah not looking forward to pushing 60 when she's graduating. We're talking about another adoption, but it's gotta be an older child. I can't handle horsie rides for much longer. :)

the older i get the more i hate children. i started living at 35 so i'm not gonna have another kid or get with a woman with a young one. the one i'm with causes a bunch child related bullshit as it is.
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Re: Security cameras
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Wed Apr 25 2018 09:17 pm

turbocharger, which I heard needs higher-octane gas to run properly.
When I was getting the gas filled one time, I asked for the
high-octane gas, but on my receipt I saw that they put in the
regular, lowest-octane gas.

Yeah, it'd run Ok, but predetonation (pinging) would be a problem.

If you use a Delorean time machine, you would need to be careful to avoid a predetonation paradox.

Nightfox

Re: Security cameras
By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun May 06 2018 05:44 pm

Yeah, it'd run Ok, but predetonation (pinging) would be a problem.

If you use a Delorean time machine, you would need to be careful to avoid a predetonation paradox.

One must be careful of a predotonation paradox while going to Peru too..

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