Ugh... So, I can receive QWK packets, and the messages, and reply to them in MultiMail. It looks I can write new messages without a problem.

New messages uploads just fine, but replies fails on the BBS side. I'm just a caller, nor a SysOp, so I can't get the logs for you nor was I able to see the error message that Synchronet is throwing. New messages appears to be working fine when it comes to uploads, though (unless I broke something there).

Any hints on what I did wrong? Is it how my MultiMail is set up or how I have the QWK settings on the BBSes I frequent?

I have been using the ZMODEM protocol for both up and downloads.

I'm just not sure what I am doing wrong...

-jag
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Re: REP Fails to parse...
By: Jagossel to All on Sat Nov 03 2018 08:55 am

Ugh... So, I can receive QWK packets, and the messages, and reply to them in MultiMail. It looks I can write new messages without a problem.

New messages uploads just fine, but replies fails on the BBS side. I'm just a caller, nor a SysOp, so I can't get the logs for you nor was I able to see the error message that Synchronet is throwing. New messages appears to be working fine when it comes to uploads, though (unless I broke something there).

Any hints on what I did wrong? Is it how my MultiMail is set up or how I have the QWK settings on the BBSes I frequent?

I have been using the ZMODEM protocol for both up and downloads.

I'm just not sure what I am doing wrong...

Ask the sysop of the BBS you're posting on check his logs and let you know what the problem is.

digital man

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Re: REP Fails to parse...
By: Jagossel to All on Sat Nov 03 2018 08:55 am

Ugh... So, I can receive QWK packets, and the messages, and reply to them in MultiMail. It looks I can write new messages without a problem.

Yep, using an offline reader should be a trouble free exeperience from the user side.

New messages uploads just fine, but replies fails on the BBS side. I'm just a caller, nor a SysOp, so I can't get the logs for you nor was I able to see the error message that Synchronet is throwing. New messages appears to be working fine when it comes to uploads, though (unless I broke something there).

You'll have to ask the sysop to have a look at the logs. Maybe your reader is compressing those .rep's with an unrecognized archiver? It's a good idea to stick with zip, it's supported just about everywhere.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Re: REP Fails to parse...
By: Digital Man to Jagossel on Sat Nov 03 2018 12:33 pm

Re: REP Fails to parse...
By: Jagossel to All on Sat Nov 03 2018 08:55 am

Ugh... So, I can receive QWK packets, and the messages, and reply to them MultiMail. It looks I can write new messages without a problem.

New messages uploads just fine, but replies fails on the BBS side. I'm ju a caller, nor a SysOp, so I can't get the logs for you nor was I able to the error message that Synchronet is throwing. New messages appears to be working fine when it comes to uploads, though (unless I broke something there).

Any hints on what I did wrong? Is it how my MultiMail is set up or how I have the QWK settings on the BBSes I frequent?

I have been using the ZMODEM protocol for both up and downloads.

I'm just not sure what I am doing wrong...

Ask the sysop of the BBS you're posting on check his logs and let you know w the problem is.

I should. At the moment, his BBS appears to be down. I'll see if I can reach him once his BBS is back up.

-jag
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Re: REP Fails to parse...
By: Al to Jagossel on Sat Nov 03 2018 02:16 pm

New messages uploads just fine, but replies fails on the BBS side. I'm just a caller, nor a SysOp, so I can't get the logs for you nor was I a to see the error message that Synchronet is throwing. New messages appe to be working fine when it comes to uploads, though (unless I broke something there).

You'll have to ask the sysop to have a look at the logs. Maybe your reader i compressing those .rep's with an unrecognized archiver? It's a good idea to stick with zip, it's supported just about everywhere.

I should see if I can contact the SysOp once his BBS is back up; it appears to be down at the moment.

I agree that ZIP would be the best; and I am almost certain that the mail reader is using ZIP. It relies on other tools to do the archiving/unarchiving for it. At the moment, I only have PKWare on there. I'm wondering if I am using the wrong version of PKWare or something.

-jag
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Re: REP Fails to parse...
By: Jagossel to Al on Sat Nov 03 2018 05:49 pm

I agree that ZIP would be the best; and I am almost certain that the mail reader is using ZIP. It relies on other tools to do the archiving/unarchiving for it. At the moment, I only have PKWare on there. I'm wondering if I am using the wrong version of PKWare or something.

The last version of PKZIP for DOS is 2.50. Look for PK250DOS.EXE. There are other versions for other OSs but that or even 2.04g work well for DOS.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Re: REP Fails to parse...
By: Al to Jagossel on Sat Nov 03 2018 05:02 pm

The last version of PKZIP for DOS is 2.50. Look for PK250DOS.EXE. There are other versions for other OSs but that or even 2.04g work well for DOS.

I didn't realize that.. I have a Win32 console version of pkzip that is version 2.50, but I didn't realize they also had that for actual DOS. In my DOS days, I was still using 2.04g for a long time and had assumed that was the last version for DOS.

Nightfox

On 11-03-18 08:55, Jagossel wrote to All <=-

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Ugh... So, I can receive QWK packets, and the messages, and reply to
them in MultiMail. It looks I can write new messages without a problem.

New messages uploads just fine, but replies fails on the BBS side. I'm just a caller, nor a SysOp, so I can't get the logs for you nor was I
able to see the error message that Synchronet is throwing. New messages appears to be working fine when it comes to uploads, though (unless I broke something there).

Any hints on what I did wrong? Is it how my MultiMail is set up or how
I have the QWK settings on the BBSes I frequent?

I have been using the ZMODEM protocol for both up and downloads.

I'm just not sure what I am doing wrong...

Hmm, what exactly is your setup? What software and environment are you using?
I have seen uploads fail, but only when using DOS based comms software (Telix) under DOSBox (reproduced on both Android and Windows). Uploading the exact same .REP using FTP worked perfectly.


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Re: Re: REP Fails to parse...
By: Vk3jed to Jagossel on Sun Nov 04 2018 12:04:00

New messages uploads just fine, but replies fails on the BBS side. I'm just a caller, nor a SysOp, so I can't get the logs for you nor was I able to see the error message that Synchronet is throwing. New messages appears to be working fine when it comes to uploads, though (unless I broke something there).

Any hints on what I did wrong? Is it how my MultiMail is set up or how I have the QWK settings on the BBSes I frequent?

I have been using the ZMODEM protocol for both up and downloads.

I'm just not sure what I am doing wrong...

Hmm, what exactly is your setup? What software and environment are you usi
I have seen uploads fail, but only when using DOS based comms software (Tel under DOSBox (reproduced on both Android and Windows). Uploading the exact same .REP using FTP worked perfectly.

Maybe that's the problem: I'm using Magic DOSBox with QModem and MultiMail. I'm considering switching to FTP to upload, but I hate to leave the two primary BBSes that I frequently call into (both doesn't have FTP available). :/

Now, where do I upload the REP packets? Is it on the "root" of the FTP
folder, where the QWK packets are located?

I apologize for the noobie question, in all of a few years of coming to BBSes, I never used an offline reader; even back in the 90's, I just downloaded games and software and never participated in conferences.

-jag
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Previously between Vk3jed and Jagossel...

On 11-03-18 08:55, Jagossel wrote to All <=-

Ugh... So, I can receive QWK packets, and the messages, and reply to
them in MultiMail. It looks I can write new messages without a problem.

New messages uploads just fine, but replies fails on the BBS side. I'm just a caller, nor a SysOp, so I can't get the logs for you nor was I
able to see the error message that Synchronet is throwing. New messages appears to be working fine when it comes to uploads, though (unless I broke something there).

Any hints on what I did wrong? Is it how my MultiMail is set up or how
I have the QWK settings on the BBSes I frequent?

I have been using the ZMODEM protocol for both up and downloads.

I'm just not sure what I am doing wrong...

Hmm, what exactly is your setup? What software and environment are
you using?
I have seen uploads fail, but only when using DOS based comms software (Telix) under DOSBox (reproduced on both Android and Windows).
Uploading the exact same .REP using FTP worked perfectly.

Well, here's a reply back using MultiMail and Ghost Commander...I hope it works.

-jag
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Re: REP Fails to parse...
By: Al to Jagossel on Sat Nov 03 2018 05:02 pm

Re: REP Fails to parse...
By: Jagossel to Al on Sat Nov 03 2018 05:49 pm

I agree that ZIP would be the best; and I am almost certain that the mail reader is using ZIP. It relies on other tools to do the archiving/unarchiving for it. At the moment, I only have PKWare on there. I'm wondering if I am using the wrong version of PKWare or something.

The last version of PKZIP for DOS is 2.50. Look for PK250DOS.EXE. There are other versions for other OSs but that or even 2.04g work well for DOS.

kinda sorta. those pkware guys were making patches for registered users up to a certain point.

pkz250dos is probably the only one you will FIND online.

i have their entire archive lost someplace, for shareware and registered owners.
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Re: REP Fails to parse...
By: Nightfox to Al on Sat Nov 03 2018 06:06 pm

Re: REP Fails to parse...
By: Al to Jagossel on Sat Nov 03 2018 05:02 pm

The last version of PKZIP for DOS is 2.50. Look for PK250DOS.EXE. There are other versions for other OSs but that or even 2.04g work well for DOS.

I didn't realize that.. I have a Win32 console version of pkzip that is version 2.50, but I didn't realize they also had that for actual DOS. In my DOS days, I was still using 2.04g for a long time and had assumed that was the last version for DOS.

as i said to the other guy, pkware was making patches. eventually your executable would be patched up to the windows version. mine is v4
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Re: Re: REP Fails to parse...
By: Jagossel to Vk3jed on Sun Nov 04 2018 10:39 am

Now, where do I upload the REP packets? Is it on the "root" of the FTP folder, where the QWK packets are located?

On a Synchronet BBS, yes, the FTP root directory.

digital man

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On 11-04-18 10:47, Jagossel wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Well, here's a reply back using MultiMail and Ghost Commander...I hope
it works.

Worked Perfectly. :)


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On 11-04-18 10:39, Jagossel wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Hmm, what exactly is your setup? What software and environment are you usi
I have seen uploads fail, but only when using DOS based comms software (Tel under DOSBox (reproduced on both Android and Windows). Uploading the exact same .REP using FTP worked perfectly.

Maybe that's the problem: I'm using Magic DOSBox with QModem and MultiMail. I'm considering switching to FTP to upload, but I hate to
leave the two primary BBSes that I frequently call into (both doesn't
have FTP available). :/

Yes. I haven't yet worked out what's going on with uploads, but they consistently fail in DOSBox. Downloads work fine. The exact same file uploads fine using a netive terminal for whatever OS I'm running. Even renaming it to all lowercase or all uppercase has no effect, just to rule out case sensitivity of the BBS software.

I used MagicDOSBox the mobile for a trip in February with Ghost Commander for FTP Uploads. In my trip to Perth last week, I opted for a laptop running Lubuntu with native Linux versions of SyncTerm and Multimail, which worked perfectly.

Now, where do I upload the REP packets? Is it on the "root" of the FTP folder, where the QWK packets are located?

Yes, just upload to the root directory on the FTP server.

I apologize for the noobie question, in all of a few years of coming to BBSes, I never used an offline reader; even back in the 90's, I just downloaded games and software and never participated in conferences.

Understand. I was a big offline mail user in the 90s. Discovered offline mail and never looked back. :)


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Previously between Digital Man and Jagossel...

Re: Re: REP Fails to parse...
By: Jagossel to Vk3jed on Sun Nov 04 2018 10:39 am

Now, where do I upload the REP packets? Is it on the "root" of the FTP folder, where the QWK packets are located?

On a Synchronet BBS, yes, the FTP root directory.

Thanks, DM! I was able to get a reply out there!

-jag
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Previously between Vk3jed and Jagossel...

On 11-04-18 10:39, Jagossel wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Hmm, what exactly is your setup? What software and environment are you usi
I have seen uploads fail, but only when using DOS based comms software (Tel under DOSBox (reproduced on both Android and Windows). Uploading the exact same .REP using FTP worked perfectly.

Maybe that's the problem: I'm using Magic DOSBox with QModem and MultiMail. I'm considering switching to FTP to upload, but I hate to
leave the two primary BBSes that I frequently call into (both doesn't
have FTP available). :/

Yes. I haven't yet worked out what's going on with uploads, but they consistently fail in DOSBox. Downloads work fine. The exact same file uploads fine using a netive terminal for whatever OS I'm running. Even renaming it to all lowercase or all uppercase has no effect, just to
rule out case sensitivity of the BBS software.

I used MagicDOSBox the mobile for a trip in February with Ghost
Commander for FTP Uploads. In my trip to Perth last week, I opted for
a laptop running Lubuntu with native Linux versions of SyncTerm and Multimail, which worked perfectly.

That's exactly what I ran into: using a DOS-based termial to upload wss the issue. I uploaded using Ghost Navigator and it worked, but I had to go to
a different BBS that has FTP access. :(

Not sure what it is, I can only guess at this point...

-jag
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On 11-05-18 08:47, Jagossel wrote to Vk3jed <=-

That's exactly what I ran into: using a DOS-based termial to upload wss the issue. I uploaded using Ghost Navigator and it worked, but I had to
go to a different BBS that has FTP access. :(

Not sure what it is, I can only guess at this point...

It suggests there is a bug in DOSBox's serial emulation which affects file uploads. The fact that it's a problem in one direction only makes me suspect a buffering issue.


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Previously between Vk3jed and Jagossel...

On 11-05-18 08:47, Jagossel wrote to Vk3jed <=-

That's exactly what I ran into: using a DOS-based termial to upload wss the issue. I uploaded using Ghost Navigator and it worked, but I had to
go to a different BBS that has FTP access. :(

Not sure what it is, I can only guess at this point...

It suggests there is a bug in DOSBox's serial emulation which affects
file uploads. The fact that it's a problem in one direction only makes
me suspect a buffering issue.

Could be. It would explain why it doesn't work with QModem (what I was
using) and Telix (what I believe you were using). In other words, it failed regardless of what DOS terminal application was used.

Oh well, using Ghost Navigator, Magic DOSBox with MultiMail and Kermit (for other BBSes without FTP access) will work for now. I would like to get up
to the point of doing this off my offline laptop instead of my phone.

Small steps... I'll get there.

-jag
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Re: Re: REP Fails to parse...
By: Vk3jed to Jagossel on Tue Nov 06 2018 06:32 am

It suggests there is a bug in DOSBox's serial emulation which affects file uploads. The fact that it's a problem in one direction only makes me suspect a buffering issue.

I was hoping to use Telix to download/upload to and from my DOSBOX OLR environment, but could never get a download in DOSBOX to complete. I end up using SyncTerm in the host OS, then open DOSBOX/

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On 11-05-18 17:04, Jagossel wrote to Vk3jed <=-

It suggests there is a bug in DOSBox's serial emulation which affects
file uploads. The fact that it's a problem in one direction only makes
me suspect a buffering issue.

Could be. It would explain why it doesn't work with QModem (what I was using) and Telix (what I believe you were using). In other words, it failed regardless of what DOS terminal application was used.

Yep, I was using Telix, same issue.

Oh well, using Ghost Navigator, Magic DOSBox with MultiMail and Kermit (for other BBSes without FTP access) will work for now. I would like to get up to the point of doing this off my offline laptop instead of my phone.

Laptop is much nicer. :)

Small steps... I'll get there.

Indeed. :)


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On 11-05-18 20:28, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

I was hoping to use Telix to download/upload to and from my DOSBOX OLR environment, but could never get a download in DOSBOX to complete. I
end up using SyncTerm in the host OS, then open DOSBOX/

I had no trouble with downloads, it was only uploads that failed when using Telix in DOSBox.


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Previously between Vk3jed and poindexter FORTRAN...

On 11-05-18 20:28, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

I was hoping to use Telix to download/upload to and from my DOSBOX OLR environment, but could never get a download in DOSBOX to complete. I
end up using SyncTerm in the host OS, then open DOSBOX/

I had no trouble with downloads, it was only uploads that failed when using Telix in DOSBox.

Ditto. I was using QModem and the downloads were fine, but uploads would
fail when it came to replies. The one and only time I saw uploads succeeded was with a new message being written (not a reply).

-jag
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Previously between Vk3jed and Jagossel...

On 11-05-18 17:04, Jagossel wrote to Vk3jed <=-

It suggests there is a bug in DOSBox's serial emulation which affects
file uploads. The fact that it's a problem in one direction only makes
me suspect a buffering issue.

Could be. It would explain why it doesn't work with QModem (what I was using) and Telix (what I believe you were using). In other words, it failed regardless of what DOS terminal application was used.

Yep, I was using Telix, same issue.

Out of curiosity: what protocol were you using for uploads? I was using ZMODEM; hadn't tried XMODEM nor YMODEM.

-jag
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Re: Re: REP Fails to parse...
By: Vk3jed to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Nov 07 2018 01:38 pm

I had no trouble with downloads, it was only uploads that failed when using Telix in DOSBox.

I'll have to try again, see if there's a COMM port setting I can tweak. My goal is to have my old DOS offline environment running in my laptop in full screen, so I get the old DOS environment without any of the driver nonsense to get onto the net.

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Re: Re: REP Fails to parse...
By: Vk3jed to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Nov 07 2018 01:38 pm

On 11-05-18 20:28, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

I was hoping to use Telix to download/upload to and from my DOSBOX OLR environment, but could never get a download in DOSBOX to complete. I end up using SyncTerm in the host OS, then open DOSBOX/

I had no trouble with downloads, it was only uploads that failed when using Telix in DOSBox.

different people have different problems.
sometimes if you change protocols the issue improves.
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Re: Re: REP Fails to parse...
By: MRO to Vk3jed on Wed Nov 07 2018 03:54 pm

I had no trouble with downloads, it was only uploads that failed when
using Telix in DOSBox.

If I could find a console 32-bit text editor that feels like Qedit I could run everything in Windows and skip DOSBox. It is fun to run Windows for Workgroups and see how far we've come, though. :)

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Re: Re: REP Fails to parse...
By: poindexter FORTRAN to MRO on Wed Nov 07 2018 04:38 pm

Re: Re: REP Fails to parse...
By: MRO to Vk3jed on Wed Nov 07 2018 03:54 pm

I had no trouble with downloads, it was only uploads that failed when
using Telix in DOSBox.

If I could find a console 32-bit text editor that feels like Qedit I could run everything in Windows and skip DOSBox. It is fun to run Windows for Workgroups and see how far we've come, though. :)

i use kit. check it out and see if you like it.

http://turtlewar.org/projects/editor/
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On 11-07-18 04:45, Jagossel wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Ditto. I was using QModem and the downloads were fine, but uploads
would fail when it came to replies. The one and only time I saw uploads succeeded was with a new message being written (not a reply).

That's interesting. Have you been able to reproduce this?


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On 11-07-18 04:49, Jagossel wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Out of curiosity: what protocol were you using for uploads? I was using ZMODEM; hadn't tried XMODEM nor YMODEM.

Same here, only tried Zmodem.


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On 11-07-18 07:08, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

I'll have to try again, see if there's a COMM port setting I can tweak.
My goal is to have my old DOS offline environment running in my laptop
in full screen, so I get the old DOS environment without any of the
driver nonsense to get onto the net.

Hmm, good luck. Any reason for going down this path? I had a lot of success going native (Linux) with SyncTerm and Multimail on Lubuntu. :)


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On 11-07-18 15:54, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

different people have different problems.
sometimes if you change protocols the issue improves.

Yes, trying a differnet protocol is worth a try.


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Previously between Vk3jed and Jagossel...

On 11-07-18 04:45, Jagossel wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Ditto. I was using QModem and the downloads were fine, but uploads
would fail when it came to replies. The one and only time I saw uploads succeeded was with a new message being written (not a reply).

That's interesting. Have you been able to reproduce this?

Not yet, I hadn't found a good starting message other than "Test". <grin>

... Can I blame my spelling on Line Noise?

Now-a-days, no. We have more stable connections now... Unless it was
mobile... :)

-jag
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Previously between Vk3jed and Jagossel...

On 11-07-18 04:49, Jagossel wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Out of curiosity: what protocol were you using for uploads? I was using ZMODEM; hadn't tried XMODEM nor YMODEM.

Same here, only tried Zmodem.

I may have to give XMODEM or YMODEM a try and see if that makes any difference. I suspect that it might not.

-jag
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Previously between Vk3jed and Jagossel...

On 11-07-18 04:49, Jagossel wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Out of curiosity: what protocol were you using for uploads? I was using ZMODEM; hadn't tried XMODEM nor YMODEM.

Same here, only tried Zmodem.

And here is a reply using XMODEM...

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Re: Re: REP Fails to parse...
By: Jagossel to Vk3jed on Thu Nov 08 2018 08:59:00

Out of curiosity: what protocol were you using for uploads? I was using ZMODEM; hadn't tried XMODEM nor YMODEM.

Same here, only tried Zmodem.

And here is a reply using XMODEM...

Ack! It only worked ONE tine, and that was it... :(

Sticking with FTP, then...

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Re: Re: REP Fails to parse...
By: Vk3jed to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Nov 08 2018 10:49 am

Hmm, good luck. Any reason for going down this path? I had a lot of success going native (Linux) with SyncTerm and Multimail on Lubuntu. :)

Well, I like being able to to a 24x80 DOS console screen in full screen that fills the screen, like Syncterm and Netrunner do. DOSBOX does that, but full screen Multimail in Windows only uses a portion of the full screen and doesn't change the font size.

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Re: Re: REP Fails to parse...
By: Jagossel to Vk3jed on Thu Nov 08 2018 08:31 am

... Can I blame my spelling on Line Noise?

Now-a-days, no. We have more stable connections now... Unless it was mobile... :)

In the 90s, I used to use IceChat to chat with users on my BBS. I remember IceChat having a fake "line noise" feature that would insert random characters at random places into the chat screen.

Nightfox

Re: Re: REP Fails to parse...
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Vk3jed on Thu Nov 08 2018 06:54 am

Well, I like being able to to a 24x80 DOS console screen in full screen that fills the screen, like Syncterm and Netrunner do. DOSBOX does that, but full screen Multimail in Windows only uses a portion of the full screen and doesn't change the font size.

Using a big widescreen monitor these days, having the terminal fill the whole screen looks a little weird to me.

Nightfox

Previously between poindexter FORTRAN and Vk3jed...

Re: Re: REP Fails to parse...
By: Vk3jed to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Nov 08 2018 10:49 am

Hmm, good luck. Any reason for going down this path? I had a lot of

uccess

going native (Linux) with SyncTerm and Multimail on Lubuntu. :)

Well, I like being able to to a 24x80 DOS console screen in full screen that fills the screen, like Syncterm and Netrunner do. DOSBOX does
that, but full screen Multimail in Windows only uses a portion of the
full screen and doesn't change the font size.

I have a 4:3 LCD monitor still. I have been using it for one of the laptops that has been falling apart (case wise). The laptop is still functional,
the screen is useless.

I tried to put DOSBox in fullscreen on this 4:3 monitor and it doesn't
fill the screen properly. You'd think that would be essy to do moving from
a 4:3 application to a 4:3 monitor. I'm not sure if it is the monitor or DOSBox that's not sizing properly; I hadn't looked too deep into it.

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Re: Re: REP Fails to parse...
By: Vk3jed to MRO on Thu Nov 08 2018 10:50 am

On 11-07-18 15:54, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

different people have different problems.
sometimes if you change protocols the issue improves.

Yes, trying a differnet protocol is worth a try.

cexyz modem sometimes performs well under dosbox emulation.
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On 11-08-18 08:31, Jagossel wrote to Vk3jed <=-

That's interesting. Have you been able to reproduce this?

Not yet, I hadn't found a good starting message other than "Test".
<grin>

Yeah, need to find a pattern.

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Now-a-days, no. We have more stable connections now... Unless it was mobile... :)

Damn! :D


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On 11-08-18 08:33, Jagossel wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Same here, only tried Zmodem.

I may have to give XMODEM or YMODEM a try and see if that makes any difference. I suspect that it might not.

Only one way to find out. :)


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On 11-08-18 08:59, Jagossel wrote to Vk3jed <=-

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Previously between Vk3jed and Jagossel...

On 11-07-18 04:49, Jagossel wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Out of curiosity: what protocol were you using for uploads? I was using ZMODEM; hadn't tried XMODEM nor YMODEM.

Same here, only tried Zmodem.

And here is a reply using XMODEM...

So obviously that one worked?


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On 11-08-18 09:09, Jagossel wrote to Vk3jed <=-

And here is a reply using XMODEM...

Ack! It only worked ONE tine, and that was it... :(

BUGGER! :(

Sticking with FTP, then...

That is reliable, at least.


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On 11-08-18 06:54, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Well, I like being able to to a 24x80 DOS console screen in full screen that fills the screen, like Syncterm and Netrunner do. DOSBOX does
that, but full screen Multimail in Windows only uses a portion of the
full screen and doesn't change the font size.

I managed to get both SyncTerm and Multimail to occupy most of the screen. :)


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On 11-08-18 16:28, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

@VIA: VERT/BBSESINF
@TZ: 4168
Re: Re: REP Fails to parse...
By: Vk3jed to MRO on Thu Nov 08 2018 10:50 am

On 11-07-18 15:54, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

different people have different problems.
sometimes if you change protocols the issue improves.

Yes, trying a differnet protocol is worth a try.

cexyz modem sometimes performs well under dosbox emulation.

One way to find out. :)


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I tried to put DOSBox in fullscreen on this 4:3 monitor and it doesn't
fill the screen properly. You'd think that would be essy to do moving from
a 4:3 application to a 4:3 monitor. I'm not sure if it is the monitor or >DOSBox that's not sizing properly; I hadn't looked too deep into it.

DOSBox is pretty configurable on sizing/aspect ratio. Look in the dosbox.verXX.conf file and it's well commented in there on how to do it.


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Vk3jed, to MRO...

On 11-08-18 16:28, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

@VIA: VERT/BBSESINF
@TZ: 4168
Re: Re: REP Fails to parse...
By: Vk3jed to MRO on Thu Nov 08 2018 10:50 am

On 11-07-18 15:54, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

different people have different problems.
sometimes if you change protocols the issue improves.

Yes, trying a differnet protocol is worth a try.

cexyz modem sometimes performs well under dosbox emulation.

One way to find out. :)

How would someone choose the SEXYZ protocol? I normally don't see it as an option on Synchronet BBSes nor in DOS terminals when doing file transfers.

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Re: Re: REP Fails to parse...
By: Jagossel to Vk3jed on Fri Nov 09 2018 05:45 am

How would someone choose the SEXYZ protocol? I normally don't see it as an option on Synchronet BBSes nor in DOS terminals when doing file transfers.

SEXYZ isn't really a protocol that someone would select. SEXYZ is a program that implements Xmodem, Ymodem, and Zmodem, which are the protocols that the user would select. SEXYZ stands for Synchronet External Xmodem, Ymodem, and Zmodem.

Nightfox

On 11-09-18 05:45, Jagossel wrote to Vk3jed <=-

How would someone choose the SEXYZ protocol? I normally don't see it as
an option on Synchronet BBSes nor in DOS terminals when doing file transfers.

Sounds like an external protocol add-on that some software can use.


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Re: Re: REP Fails to parse...
By: Jagossel to Vk3jed on Fri Nov 09 2018 05:45 am

How would someone choose the SEXYZ protocol? I normally don't see it as an option on Synchronet BBSes nor in DOS terminals when doing file transfers.

you wont see it dos terminals; it's server side.
you can pick it in user configuration.

it does x modem, y modem and z modem.
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Re: Re: REP Fails to parse...
By: Vk3jed to Jagossel on Mon Nov 05 2018 11:24 am

On 11-04-18 10:47, Jagossel wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Well, here's a reply back using MultiMail and Ghost Commander...I
hope it works.

Worked Perfectly. :)

I never understood MultiMail or other mailers. They take away from the BBS experience. The SysOPs must think I'm nuts for staying online reading messages. lol
HusTler

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On 11-11-18 14:39, Hustler wrote to Vk3jed <=-

I never understood MultiMail or other mailers. They take away from
the BBS experience. The SysOPs must think I'm nuts for staying online reading messages. lol

Much better user interface. Back in the old days, it was also a means of reading more mail than one could do in the allowed online time per day. You could log in, upload replies, download new mail and hang up. Then spend hours going through the newly received QWK or Bluewave packet at your leisure.

Today, it's a way of getting a better user interface. The telnet interface is limited by the serial nature of the BBS, which is optimised for slow modem connections. Offline readers offer a richer interface, and more options to individually access messages without needing to remember numbers, or wait for lightbar driven interfaces to redraw.


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Re: Re: REP Fails to parse...
By: Vk3jed to Hustler on Mon Nov 12 2018 12:29 pm

is limited by the serial nature of the BBS, which is optimised for slow modem connections. Offline readers offer a richer interface, and more options to individually access messages without needing to remember numbers, or wait for lightbar driven interfaces to redraw.

i prefer my bbs interface. i dont have crappy lightbar interfaces for reading msgs.
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Hustler, to Vk3jed...

Re: Re: REP Fails to parse...
By: Vk3jed to Jagossel on Mon Nov 05 2018 11:24 am

On 11-04-18 10:47, Jagossel wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Well, here's a reply back using MultiMail and Ghost Commander...I
hope it works.

Worked Perfectly. :)

I never understood MultiMail or other mailers. They take away from
the BBS experience. The SysOPs must think I'm nuts for staying online reading messages. lol
HusTler

I was just thinking that recently: it takes away the experience of being
on the BBS. Being offline (at least with BBSing on a cell phone) has its advantages: working around spotty connections and just upload/download when there is a stable connection.

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Re: Re: REP Fails to parse...
By: Vk3jed to Hustler on Mon Nov 12 2018 12:29 pm

Today, it's a way of getting a better user interface. The telnet interface is limited by the serial nature of the BBS, which is optimised for slow modem connections. Offline readers offer a richer interface, and more options to individually access messages without needing to remember numbers, or wait for lightbar driven interfaces to redraw.

These days, I'm not sure if telnet BBS interfaces are really optimized for slow modem connections anymore. Many people don't even connect with a modem anymore, as most people are using a broadband internet connection. But when I work on an online tool for a BBS, I still think it's good to try to minimize screen changes, as I think that still makes it noticebly faster overall. I think it's possible to have a somewhat rich experience on a BBS though.

Nightfox

I never understood MultiMail or other mailers. They take away from the BBS
experience. The SysOPs must think I'm nuts for staying online reading messages.
lol

Actually, being a sysop is what got me into using offline readers. Back
then I only had one node and did not want to tie it up while I read my messages. :)

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Re: Re: REP Fails to parse...
By: Dumas Walker to HUSTLER on Mon Nov 12 2018 09:46 am

Actually, being a sysop is what got me into using offline readers. Back then I only had one node and did not want to tie it up while I read my messages. :)

I didn't want to tie my BBS up back in the day either, but I ended up learning how to set up a multi-node BBS in DOS with DesqView. I was running RemoteAccess at the time, which provided 2 nodes with the regular registered version but I only had one phone line for my BBS, so I used the 2nd node to log in locally so that node 1 would be able to answer the modem. It was a good learning experience, though these days it's much easier to run a multi-node BBS with modern software.

Nightfox

On 11-12-18 09:21, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

These days, I'm not sure if telnet BBS interfaces are really optimized
for slow modem connections anymore. Many people don't even connect
with a modem anymore, as most people are using a broadband internet connection. But when I work on an online tool for a BBS, I still think it's good to try to minimize screen changes, as I think that still
makes it noticebly faster overall. I think it's possible to have a somewhat rich experience on a BBS though.

The basic structures are still there, and the BBS interfaces I've seen _could_ work well over a modem, even though very few of us use one these days. Today, you could do a full on GUI BBS interface, with the bandwidth to burn that we have. My point was for message reading, there are still some limitations - I like to have a lot of information on hand when reading, about where I am, etc. I also like to be able to go through in a methodical order, the areas that I'm following, and to be able to easily pick and choose messages (remembering numbers and typing them doesn't count, that's too error prone). And there's subtle things about the online message reading interfaces that annoy me. - OK for browsing messages in an unfamiliar area, but not for serious reading.


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I didn't want to tie my BBS up back in the day either, but I ended up learning >how to set up a multi-node BBS in DOS with DesqView. I was running >RemoteAccess at the time, which provided 2 nodes with the regular registered >version but I only had one phone line for my BBS, so I used the 2nd node to log
in locally so that node 1 would be able to answer the modem. It was a good >learning experience, though these days it's much easier to run a multi-node BBS
with modern software.

I also ran DV but my BBS software did not do multinode well when there was
not a second modem attached for it to communicate with. :) The software
did have a third party sysop message reader, so I was normally reading and posting offline but directly to the message bases.

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Re: Re: REP Fails to parse...
By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Tue Nov 13 2018 06:30 pm

I also ran DV but my BBS software did not do multinode well when there was not a second modem attached for it to communicate with. :) The software did have a third party sysop message reader, so I was normally reading and posting offline but directly to the message bases.

RemoteAccess had an option to run a node in local mode, from what I remember, so I could interact with it directly to log into the BBS.

Nightfox

Re: Re: REP Fails to parse...
By: Nightfox to Dumas Walker on Wed Nov 14 2018 10:11 am

RemoteAccess had an option to run a node in local mode, from what I remember, so I could interact with it directly to log into the BBS.

Most software did, so you could log on locally and see what the users saw. I used to use TIMED to read the message bases directly, but then switched to reading locally when I could, just so I could have the same experience as my users.

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Re: Re: REP Fails to parse...
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Wed Nov 14 2018 01:05 pm

RemoteAccess had an option to run a node in local mode, from what I
remember, so I could interact with it directly to log into the BBS.

Most software did, so you could log on locally and see what the users saw. I used to use TIMED to read the message bases directly, but then switched to reading locally when I could, just so I could have the same experience as my users.

I always liked having the same experience as my users. That's one reason I like to log onto my own BBS, so that I have the 'BBS experience'.

Nightfox

On 11-14-18 10:11, Nightfox wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

RemoteAccess had an option to run a node in local mode, from what I remember, so I could interact with it directly to log into the BBS.

Yeah, I used to use it quite a lot that way. :)


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I never understood MultiMail or other mailers. They take away from the BBS experience. The SysOPs must think I'm nuts for staying online reading messages.
lol

When there are so many message bases, offline mail seems rational.

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Re: Re: REP Fails to parse...
By: Matthew Munson to HUSTLER on Sun Nov 18 2018 07:22 am

When there are so many message bases, offline mail seems rational.

I need to do a QWK run at least once a week, although I do like the online experience - especially now that I can connect via telnet instead of dialing into BBSes. Even then I only am able to grab a few of the message areas and need that QWK run to catch up on the rest.

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Re: Re: REP Fails to parse...
By: Matthew Munson to HUSTLER on Sun Nov 18 2018 07:22 am

I never understood MultiMail or other mailers. They take away from
the BBS experience. The SysOPs must think I'm nuts for staying online
reading messages. lol

When there are so many message bases, offline mail seems rational.

These days, when BBSes are available via the internet and have many nodes and offer a lot of online time, I don't think it matters a whole lot.

Nightfox

El 3/11/18 a las 18:49, Jagossel escribi≤:

Re: REP Fails to parse...
By: Al to Jagossel on Sat Nov 03 2018 02:16 pm

New messages uploads just fine, but replies fails on the BBS side. I'm
just a caller, nor a SysOp, so I can't get the logs for you nor was I a
to see the error message that Synchronet is throwing. New messages appe
to be working fine when it comes to uploads, though (unless I broke something there).

You'll have to ask the sysop to have a look at the logs. Maybe your reader i
compressing those .rep's with an unrecognized archiver? It's a good idea to
stick with zip, it's supported just about everywhere.

I should see if I can contact the SysOp once his BBS is back up; it appears to
be down at the moment.

I agree that ZIP would be the best; and I am almost certain that the mail reader is using ZIP. It relies on other tools to do the archiving/unarchiving
for it. At the moment, I only have PKWare on there. I'm wondering if I am using
the wrong version of PKWare or something.

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I recommend that download and use InfoZip (zip and unzip) and configuro
you multimail to use it (it0s default config i think so)

http://infozip.sourceforge.net/

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Re: Re: REP Fails to parse...
By: Nightfox to Matthew Munson on Mon Nov 19 2018 10:09:36

I never understood MultiMail or other mailers. They take away from
the BBS experience. The SysOPs must think I'm nuts for staying online
reading messages. lol

When there are so many message bases, offline mail seems rational.

These days, when BBSes are available via the internet and have many nodes an offer a lot of online time, I don't think it matters a whole lot.

Nightfox

Nailed it. Back in dial-up days and limited time/nodes downloading messages
and using an offline reader made sense. I like the online experience.

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On 12-19-18 08:48, Reverb wrote to Nightfox <=-

Nailed it. Back in dial-up days and limited time/nodes downloading messages and using an offline reader made sense. I like the online experience.

I prefer the offline experience. I find the interface more useful, and I'm also isolated from any network slowdowns (though normally insignificant on a BBS) or dropouts.


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Vk3jed, to Reverb...

Nailed it. Back in dial-up days and limited time/nodes downloading messages and using an offline reader made sense. I like the online experience.

I prefer the offline experience. I find the interface more useful, and I'm also isolated from any network slowdowns (though normally insignificant on a BBS) or dropouts.

I like the BBS experience myself, and I do miss it using an offline reader. However, I like using an offline reader (MultiMail in my case) because there are features that a BBS won't have. As mentioned, an offline reader helps
for spotty connections: just download the QWK packets and upload the REP packes when there is a good connection; and you're free to read and write messages regardless of the spotty connections.

I do lkke the tagline feature and the ability to use the FreeDOS editor over the line editor I was usng on the BBS.

I do connect to Outwest and Digital Distortion BBSes to use an offline
reader because they have FTP open. I still go to MTLGeek and Frugal
Computing every once for the BBS experience, but only when I am at home on
a stable Wi-Fi connection.

-jag
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