Within the last couple of day's a windows update wiped out chrome and Halo Combat Evolved and Halo Custom edition on 4 PC's
I was able to reinstall Chrome and it now works, I had to uninstall Halo and put it in a different folder on combat evolved, Custom edition from bungie however will not work at all.
I belive the offending patch happened on 12-07-2018
I am sure i'll find other problems as I go along.

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Denn, to All...

Within the last couple of day's a windows update wiped out chrome and
Halo Combat Evolved and Halo Custom edition on 4 PC's
I was able to reinstall Chrome and it now works, I had to uninstall
Halo and put it in a different folder on combat evolved, Custom edition from bungie however will not work at all.
I belive the offending patch happened on 12-07-2018
I am sure i'll find other problems as I go along.

More horror stories of data loss due to tbe forced updstes from Microsoft.
I have to wonder who's testing these patches before sending them out the
door? I heard horror stories of the 10/2018 update wiping out the user profile/home folder.


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Re: Re: Windows Update's took out chrome and Halo
By: Jagossel to Denn on Mon Dec 10 2018 08:20 am

I have to wonder who's testing these patches before sending them out the door? I heard horror stories of the 10/2018 update wiping out the user profile/home folder.

this update screwed up the C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Games folder
you gotta love Microshaft for all the money they take from us for crapware OS. I'm to the point where I may just load Ubuntu on all but one of my PC's.

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Denn, to Jagossel...

I have to wonder who's testing these patches before sending them out the door? I heard horror stories of the 10/2018 update wiping out the user profile/home folder.

this update screwed up the C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Games
folder you gotta love Microshaft for all the money they take from us
for crapware OS. I'm to the point where I may just load Ubuntu on all
but one of my PC's.

I'm near that point myself, the only thing stopping me is the fact that Windows and the manufacturer's recovery image are on the hard drive itself.

Refurbished computers and custom built computers are another matter and I would feel more comfortable getting rid of Windows and installing Linux.
My wife got me a refurbished desktop computer last year, and after we got
our own new laptops, I just wiped off the hard drive and installed CentOS
on it to serve as a low-powered VM server.

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Re: Re: Windows Update's took out chrome and Halo
By: Jagossel to Denn on Mon Dec 10 2018 08:20 am

More horror stories of data loss due to tbe forced updstes from Microsoft. I have to wonder who's testing these patches before sending them out the door? I heard horror stories of the 10/2018 update wiping out the user profile/home folder.

I've wondered the same thing. I haven't had my home folder wiped out, but I've seen instances where a Windows 10 update would revert some of my Windows settings (if I remember, things such as my screen saver settings, preferred application for some types of files, etc.).

Nightfox

Re: Re: Windows Update's took out chrome and Halo
By: Denn to Jagossel on Mon Dec 10 2018 09:09 am

this update screwed up the C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Games folder you gotta love Microshaft for all the money they take from us for crapware OS. I'm to the point where I may just load Ubuntu on all but one of my PC's.

I bought a copy of Windows 7 when I built my current PC, but I got the Windows 10 upgrade when it was free. I guess you get what you pay for sometimes..

Nightfox

Re: Re: Windows Update's took out chrome and Halo
By: Jagossel to Denn on Mon Dec 10 2018 11:44 am

for crapware OS. I'm to the point where I may just load Ubuntu on
all but one of my PC's.

I'm near that point myself, the only thing stopping me is the fact that Windows and the manufacturer's recovery image are on the hard drive itself.

I remember earlier versions of Windows let you burn that recovery data to a DVD disc if you wanted to..
Just did a search and saw that Windows 10 should let you create a recovery drive with a USB flash drive:
https://bit.ly/2yKazl2

Nightfox

Re: Windows Update's took out chrome and Halo
By: Denn to All on Sun Dec 09 2018 11:38 pm

Within the last couple of day's a windows update wiped out chrome and Halo Combat Evolved and Halo Custom edition on 4 PC's
I was able to reinstall Chrome and it now works, I had to uninstall Halo and put it in a different folder on combat evolved, Custom edition from bungie however will not work at all.
I belive the offending patch happened on 12-07-2018

what do you mean 'wiped out'? are you the guy that had problems
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Re: Re: Windows Update's took out chrome and Halo
By: Nightfox to Jagossel on Mon Dec 10 2018 07:15 pm

I've wondered the same thing. I haven't had my home folder wiped out, but I've seen instances where a Windows 10 update would revert some of my Windows settings (if I remember, things such as my screen saver settings, preferred application for some types of files, etc.).

i have had it revert my settings too. i have some custom scripts i have rigged up in my registry for files and directories and it sometimes wipes them. i save the .reg files and re-import.

in regards to the profile wipe, not many people were hit by it. MS disabled the update.
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Re: Re: Windows Update's took out chrome and Halo
By: Jagossel to Denn on Mon Dec 10 2018 11:44 am

for crapware OS. I'm to the point where I may just load Ubuntu on
all but one of my PC's.

I'm near that point myself, the only thing stopping me is the fact that Windows and the manufacturer's recovery image are on the hard drive itself.

Refurbished computers and custom built computers are another matter and I would feel more comfortable getting rid of Windows and installing Linux. My wife got me a refurbished desktop computer last year, and after we got our own new laptops, I just wiped off the hard drive and installed CentOS on it to serve as a low-powered VM server.

I run Raspian on my Pi2 and my PI3 and Lubuntu 14.04 LXDE on my VPS
I do love the Ubuntu Mate Desktop that is what I may turn my thin client PC's to.

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Re: Windows Update's took out chrome and Halo
By: MRO to Denn on Mon Dec 10 2018 09:08 pm

I was able to reinstall Chrome and it now works, I had to uninstall
Halo and put it in a different folder on combat evolved, Custom
edition from bungie however will not work at all.
I belive the offending patch happened on 12-07-2018

what do you mean 'wiped out'? are you the guy that had problems
with the other windows update?

No, Updates usually don't mess my PC's up, this time however it messed up 4 in one day, since it wiped out chrome I installed Firefox to replace it, was going to do that anyway.
I also uninstalled halo on 3 machines and reinstalled it to a different folder and it works fine, Halo CE however will not boot on any of my PC's now.

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Nightfox, to Jagossel...

I'm near that point myself, the only thing stopping me is the fact that Windows and the manufacturer's recovery image are on the hard drive itself.

I remember earlier versions of Windows let you burn that recovery data
to a DVD disc if you wanted to..
Just did a search and saw that Windows 10 should let you create a
recovery drive with a USB flash drive:
https://bit.ly/2yKazl2

I knew about Windows 10 allowing you to create a bootable USB drive to
install Windows 10. Windows Media Creation Tool or something like that? I
had to use it on the refurbished desktop that had a hard drive crap out on
me recently. Thakfully, I had another Windows 10 computer that was working
and I was able to create a bootable USB drive (crazy enough, it was just a
USB SD card adapter that I created a bootable SD card with).

I have heard that UEFI, supposedly, can hold your Windows license key for
you or your Microsoft account could hold your license key. I guess I would
be safe there, but I would be worried about drivers. I suppose that
wouldn't be an issue either because Windows 10 might find the drivers automatically (if connected to a network without a problem), and most manufacturers would hold the drivers as well.

Either way, I'm still not comfortable with wiping the drive with a recovry image on it. Should the hard drive crap out on my new laptop, then I would consider putting Linux on it.

Still... I do miss tbe days where recovery disks or CDs/DVDs existed...

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Nightfox, to Jagossel...

More horror stories of data loss due to tbe forced updstes from Microsoft. I have to wonder who's testing these patches before sending them out the door? I heard horror stories of the 10/2018 update wiping out the user profile/home folder.

I've wondered the same thing. I haven't had my home folder wiped out,
but I've seen instances where a Windows 10 update would revert some of
my Windows settings (if I remember, things such as my screen saver settings, preferred application for some types of files, etc.).

I have heard of settings getting lost, as well, after a Windows or driver updates. Kris Asick from Pixelmusement (does ADG/Shovelware Diggers on YouTube) had been tweeting instances to where he had to readjust the
settings all over again after an update.

I work for a software vendor/SaaS provuder, and we make sure that we don't wipe out the settings/configuration. We also do deprecation plans as well to get our clients to move to the new feature. Sometimes, I don't get why
other vendors wouldn't do this as well; unless they do, and their users
just don't pay attention.

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Re: Windows Update's took out chrome and Halo
By: Denn to MRO on Mon Dec 10 2018 10:51 pm

what do you mean 'wiped out'? are you the guy that had problems
with the other windows update?

No, Updates usually don't mess my PC's up, this time however it messed up 4 in one day, since it wiped out chrome I installed Firefox to replace it, was going to do that anyway.

you still explain what wiped out means.
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Re: Re: Windows Update's took out chrome and Halo
By: Jagossel to Nightfox on Tue Dec 11 2018 07:52 am

I have heard that UEFI, supposedly, can hold your Windows license key for you or your Microsoft account could hold your license key. I guess I would be safe there, but I would be worried about drivers. I suppose that wouldn't be an issue either because Windows 10 might find the drivers automatically (if connected to a network without a problem), and most manufacturers would hold the drivers as well.

windows 10 is so good with drivers. on my gf's older computer the windows drivers were better than the stock drivers.
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this update screwed up the C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Games folder
you gotta love Microshaft for all the money they take from us for crapware OS. >I'm to the point where I may just load Ubuntu on all but one of my PC's.

I long ago loaded debian-based distros on all of my pcs that matter. The
only one that has windows (98 !) is one that does not connect to the
internet. I use it only to play simcity on, and even it has a debian partition.

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No, Updates usually don't mess my PC's up, this time however it messed up 4 in >one day, since it wiped out chrome I installed Firefox to replace it, was going
to do that anyway.

Wiping out chrome is ironic in a way. I read an article the other day about Edge and how M$ is about to replace it with a chromium-based alternative.

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Re: Re: Windows Update's took out chrome and Halo
By: Jagossel to Nightfox on Tue Dec 11 2018 07:52 am

Either way, I'm still not comfortable with wiping the drive with a recovry image on it. Should the hard drive crap out on my new laptop, then I would consider putting Linux on it.

Perhaps you could buy a different hard drive and swap them out and install Linux on the new drive (or, leave both drives in the machine and dual-boot if you want).

Still... I do miss tbe days where recovery disks or CDs/DVDs existed...

Me too. I wish they still included those. At least with some machines, you can burn recovery discs to CD/DVD-R.

Nightfox

Re: Re: Windows Update's took out chrome and Halo
By: MRO to Jagossel on Tue Dec 11 2018 04:38 pm

windows 10 is so good with drivers. on my gf's older computer the windows drivers were better than the stock drivers.

By "stock drivers", do you mean the drivers from the hardware manufacturer? My understanding is that the drivers included with Windows are submitted by the hardware manufacturer. And I doubt Microsoft has enough staff to actually develop and test their own drivers for every hardware component that exists.

Nightfox

Nightfox wrote to Jagossel <=-

I remember earlier versions of Windows let you burn that recovery data
to a DVD disc if you wanted to..
Just did a search and saw that Windows 10 should let you create a
recovery drive with a USB flash drive:
https://bit.ly/2yKazl2

I just use Macrium Reflect Free or CloneZilla to image the HDD to an image
file that I usually store on a dedicated portable 5200RPM USB drive.

That way, I can do with as I please to the system and put it back to factory state if I ever change my mind. I've never had a laptop where this didn't work, although there's always a first.


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Jagossel wrote to Denn <=-

More horror stories of data loss due to tbe forced updstes from
Microsoft. I have to wonder who's testing these patches before sending them out the door? I heard horror stories of the 10/2018 update wiping
out the user profile/home folder.

The October update mainly affected systems that used folder redirection.
For the most part, it pertained to systems where people install small SSD's
to house the OS for speed, and redirect their profile directories, Steam, etc. to a second drive, usually a large spin drive. There were a few other criterion that caused the glitch, but yeah, basically.

I was lucky in that the October update didn't affect my machines (I installed the update before it was pulled by MS). The November update was a different matter. They made updates to the AMD driver that conflicted with my HP
laptop making it unusable. I imaged my system, and installed Ubuntu.
I'll wait for the Spring updated before I reinstall Windows on this system again.


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Denn wrote to Jagossel <=-

this update screwed up the C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Games
folder you gotta love Microshaft for all the money they take from us
for crapware OS. I'm to the point where I may just load Ubuntu on all
but one of my PC's.

I'm afraid a biannual release is too aggressive for them.


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Re: Re: Windows Update's took out chrome and Halo
By: Nightfox to MRO on Tue Dec 11 2018 06:11 pm

Re: Re: Windows Update's took out chrome and Halo
By: MRO to Jagossel on Tue Dec 11 2018 04:38 pm

windows 10 is so good with drivers. on my gf's older computer the windows drivers were better than the stock drivers.

By "stock drivers", do you mean the drivers from the hardware manufacturer?

no i mean the ones i bought as stocks from wallstreet.

My understanding is that the drivers included with Windows are submitted by the hardware manufacturer. And I doubt Microsoft has enough staff to actually develop and test their own drivers for every hardware component that exists.

i'm sure they dont have every driver in the universe.

i looked up a bunch of their driver .dll's and in the property page they say they are copyright microsoft. there arent any references to manufacturers.
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Re: Re: Windows Update's took
By: Chai to Nightfox on Tue Dec 11 2018 08:53 pm

I just use Macrium Reflect Free or CloneZilla to image the HDD to an image file that I usually store on a dedicated portable 5200RPM USB drive.

That way, I can do with as I please to the system and put it back to factory state if I ever change my mind. I've never had a laptop where this didn't work, although there's always a first.

i tried clonezilla a few times and it failed both. i had nothing special on those desktops going on. just a harddrive with windows.

my harddrives are too big to image. i would rather reinstall windows and then run a script to install necessary programs that i use.
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Dumas Walker, to DENN...

No, Updates usually don't mess my PC's up, this time however it messed up 4

n

one day, since it wiped out chrome I installed Firefox to replace it, was going

to do that anyway.

Wiping out chrome is ironic in a way. I read an article the other day about Edge and how M$ is about to replace it with a chromium-based alternative.

I've heard the same thing as well: Edge will be Chromium-based instead of their own engine. I wonder if this will apply to Internet Explorer as well
and how this will work with a lot of Windows components depending on tbe Internet Explorer component.

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Re: Windows Update's took out chrome and Halo
By: MRO to Denn on Tue Dec 11 2018 04:37 pm

Re: Windows Update's took out chrome and Halo

you still explain what wiped out means.

The term I used was took out, as in taking away the ability to run them.
I solved the Chrome issue by installing the latest Firefox and Halo I uninstalled and reloaded to a different directory.


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Re: Windows Update's took out
By: Dumas Walker to DENN on Tue Dec 11 2018 06:27 pm

up 4 in one day, since it wiped out chrome I installed Firefox to
replace it, was going to do that anyway.

Wiping out chrome is ironic in a way. I read an article the other day about Edge and how M$ is about to replace it with a chromium-based alternative.

Yes I also heard that, Chromium however is opensource and not as invasive as Chrome.

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Re: Re: Windows Update's took
By: MRO to Chai on Wed Dec 12 2018 12:12 am

i tried clonezilla a few times and it failed both. i had nothing special on those desktops going on. just a harddrive with windows.

I've used Clonezilla before and it usually works for me. We've also used it where I work to clone drives for some of our systems, and overall we've had fairly good luck with it (except it's not really easy to clone to a smaller drive).

my harddrives are too big to image. i would rather reinstall windows and then run a script to install necessary programs that i use.

That's an interesting idea. I know some installers have a "quiet" mode so
they can be automated, but not all of them do. Also, after installing everythigng fresh, I still have to go and change some of the settings to what I like (such as what programs to use to open photos and music, and the Windows power options for the monitor & hard drive, desktop background, etc.).

Nightfox

Re: Re: Windows Update's took out
By: Jagossel to Dumas Walker on Wed Dec 12 2018 05:53 am

I've heard the same thing as well: Edge will be Chromium-based instead of their own engine. I wonder if this will apply to Internet Explorer as well and how this will work with a lot of Windows components depending on tbe Internet Explorer component.

I thought Microsoft was phasing out Internet Explorer, to be replaced with Edge? After I upgraded to Windows 10, I had trouble installing a program I use which apparently uses some IE6 components. It seemed to be a common issue with that program, and I seem to remember finding a solution online that said to update some registry keys to let it install and run.

Nightfox

Re: Windows Update's took out chrome and Halo
By: Denn to MRO on Wed Dec 12 2018 10:51 pm

The term I used was took out, as in taking away the ability to run them.
I solved the Chrome issue by installing the latest Firefox and Halo I uninstalled and reloaded to a different directory.

I believe I'm using the latest Windows 10 updates, and Google Chrome still works for me. I have a hard time believing Microsoft would update Windows in such a way that a specific program wouldn't run anymore, but I suppose I could see them doing that. I remember hearing that Microsoft put code in Windows 3.1 and MS-DOS back in the day so that Windows 3.1 would only run on MS-DOS and wouldn't run on other DOS variants (such as DR-DOS, etc.).

Nightfox

Nightfox, to MRO...

my harddrives are too big to image. i would rather reinstall windows and then run a script to install necessary programs that i use.

That's an interesting idea. I know some installers have a "quiet" mode
so they can be automated, but not all of them do. Also, after
installing everythigng fresh, I still have to go and change some of the settings to what I like (such as what programs to use to open photos
and music, and the Windows power options for the monitor & hard drive, desktop background, etc.).

I've been through so many reimages at work, I just gave up and wrote a PowerShell script to install the software that I need and to customize
some applications. Among I have OneDrive available, I can easily recover
froma other reimaging.

Take a look at Chocolatey. It's built on top of Nuget package manager and
it allows you to install some software like you would in Linux using yum, apt-get, or pacman.

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Nightfox, to Jagossel...

I've heard the same thing as well: Edge will be Chromium-based instead of their own engine. I wonder if this will apply to Internet Explorer as well and how this will work with a lot of Windows components depending on tbe Internet Explorer component.

I thought Microsoft was phasing out Internet Explorer, to be replaced
with Edge? After I upgraded to Windows 10, I had trouble installing a program I use which apparently uses some IE6 components. It seemed to
be a common issue with that program, and I seem to remember finding a solution online that said to update some registry keys to let it
install and run.

If Microsoft is phasing out Internet Explorer and is in the process of
getting their components off of Internet Explorer, then great! I would
love to see Internet Explorer go.

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Re: Re: Windows Update's took
By: Jagossel to Nightfox on Fri Dec 14 2018 10:36 pm

I've been through so many reimages at work, I just gave up and wrote a PowerShell script to install the software that I need and to customize some applications. Among I have OneDrive available, I can easily recover froma other reimaging.

Take a look at Chocolatey. It's built on top of Nuget package manager and it allows you to install some software like you would in Linux using yum, apt-get, or pacman.

I've heard of Chocolatey. I currently use Windows as my main OS at home though.

I have the Windows installers of the software I often use, though I'm not sure all of it could be scripted for an automated install. For instance, one of the programs I use sometimes is GoldWave (an audio editing application), and I just tried running it on the command line with /?, but it didn't output any command line help, it just started its manual GUI installer.

Nightfox

Re: Re: Windows Update's took
By: Nightfox to MRO on Fri Dec 14 2018 05:23 pm

everythigng fresh, I still have to go and change some of the settings to what I like (such as what programs to use to open photos and music, and the Windows power options for the monitor & hard drive, desktop background, etc.).

you can make .reg files that do that and for your desktop theme you can do a .theme file.
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Re: Re: Windows Update's took
By: Jagossel to Nightfox on Fri Dec 14 2018 10:36 pm

Take a look at Chocolatey. It's built on top of Nuget package manager and it allows you to install some software like you would in Linux using yum, apt-get, or pacman.

yeah, i love chocolatey. i just dont use it enough and i end up forgetting about it.
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Re: Re: Windows Update's took
By: Nightfox to Jagossel on Sat Dec 15 2018 12:57 am

Take a look at Chocolatey. It's built on top of Nuget package manager and it allows you to install some software like you would in Linux using yum, apt-get, or pacman.

I've heard of Chocolatey. I currently use Windows as my main OS at home though.

it runs on windows. it takes all the work out of installing stuff.
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Re: Re: Windows Update's took
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sat Dec 15 2018 03:36 pm

I've heard of Chocolatey. I currently use Windows as my main OS at
home though.

it runs on windows. it takes all the work out of installing stuff.

I guess I'll have to check it out. Does it have a database where it knows where to download and install all the software you like to use, or is that something you configure?

Nightfox

Re: Re: Windows Update's took
By: Nightfox to MRO on Sat Dec 15 2018 06:24 pm

Re: Re: Windows Update's took
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sat Dec 15 2018 03:36 pm

I've heard of Chocolatey. I currently use Windows as my main OS at
home though.

it runs on windows. it takes all the work out of installing stuff.

I guess I'll have to check it out. Does it have a database where it knows where to download and install all the software you like to use, or is that something you configure?

it's compariable to apt-get
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Re: Windows Update's took out chrome and Halo
By: Nightfox to Denn on Fri Dec 14 2018 05:27 pm

I believe I'm using the latest Windows 10 updates, and Google Chrome still works for me. I have a hard time believing Microsoft would update Windows

I still use Windows 7 except for my Laptop that I run 8.1

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Re: Re: Windows Update's took out chrome and Halo
By: Denn to Jagossel on Mon Dec 10 2018 09:09:08

I have to wonder who's testing these patches before sending them out th door? I heard horror stories of the 10/2018 update wiping out the user profile/home folder.

this update screwed up the C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Games folder you gotta love Microshaft for all the money they take from us for crapware O I'm to the point where I may just load Ubuntu on all but one of my PC's.

Unless you're a Microsoft developer or PC gamer there isn't really any compelling reason to run Windows - Firefox/Brave browser are multi-platform
so Linux is a good desktop substitute for everyday use. I have tested
MS Office 2010 in Wine which can open modern Office documents reliably
(Libre Office has given me problems with some Excel macros). Netflix reportedly works if you are using the latest Google Chrome.

I am a PC gamer although the only Windows version I have are 7 & 8.1 (it
came with the laptop).

There are plenty of Linux distros out there - I recommend Mint for
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Re: Re: Windows Update's took
By: Chai to Nightfox on Tue Dec 11 2018 20:53:00

I remember earlier versions of Windows let you burn that recovery data to a DVD disc if you wanted to..
Just did a search and saw that Windows 10 should let you create a recovery drive with a USB flash drive:
https://bit.ly/2yKazl2

I just use Macrium Reflect Free or CloneZilla to image the HDD to an image file that I usually store on a dedicated portable 5200RPM USB drive.

That way, I can do with as I please to the system and put it back to factory state if I ever change my mind. I've never had a laptop where this didn't work, although there's always a first.

Longtime Acronis user here. Have used it to backup AND RESTORE Windows XP, 7, 8.1 and Ubuntu 12 (don't use Ubuntu anymore). I also use an external HD
for imaging. Average restore time ~40 minutes (this does not include data,
I always use a separate partition for that). Important data gets backed up
to Dropbox. I like being able to restore my computer(s) to full functionality including all drivers and apps in under an hour using Acronis' bootable
media. I tried this using Windows 7 system restore and that took 2 hours. Please don't mistake this as an advertisement for Acronis' product, I was
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Re: Re: Windows Update's took out chrome and Halo
By: Reverb to Denn on Wed Dec 19 2018 09:05 am

Unless you're a Microsoft developer or PC gamer there isn't really any compelling reason to run Windows - Firefox/Brave browser are multi-platform so Linux is a good desktop substitute for everyday use. I have tested

i'm neither and i run windows because i like it.
it does exactly what i want it to do. i prefer to run servers on linux.

i dont like any linux gui and i think they are just poor copies of windows or mac.

i havent been compromised on windows but i have on linux.
firefox is a piece of shit, btw.

I am a PC gamer although the only Windows version I have are 7 & 8.1 (it came with the laptop).

you should have updated to 10.
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Re: Re: Windows Update's took
By: Reverb to Chai on Wed Dec 19 2018 09:27 am

Longtime Acronis user here. Have used it to backup AND RESTORE Windows XP, 7, 8.1 and Ubuntu 12 (don't use Ubuntu anymore). I also use an external HD for imaging. Average restore time ~40 minutes (this does not include data,

yeah, acronis is good.
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Re: Re: Windows Update's took out chrome and Halo
By: Reverb to Denn on Wed Dec 19 2018 09:05 am

I am a PC gamer although the only Windows version I have are 7 & 8.1 (it came with the laptop).

I run windows 7 on 3 PC's and 8.1 on my laptop, still like 7 the best.

There are plenty of Linux distros out there - I recommend Mint for
Windows migrants.

I run one PI (PI3) on raspian the (PI2) I run Ubuntu
I run Lubuntu on my VPS's

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Re: Windows Update's took out chrome and Halo
By: Nightfox to Denn on Fri Dec 14 2018 05:27 pm

I believe I'm using the latest Windows 10 updates, and Google Chrome still works for me. I have a hard time believing Microsoft would update Windows in such a way that a specific program wouldn't run anymore, but I suppose I could see them doing that. I remember hearing that Microsoft put code in Windows 3.1 and MS-DOS back in the day so that Windows 3.1 would only run on MS-DOS and wouldn't run on other DOS variants (such as DR-DOS, etc.).

I got everything running again and keeping my fingers crossed it dosent happen again.

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On 12-19-18 23:13, Denn wrote to Reverb <=-

I am a PC gamer although the only Windows version I have are 7 & 8.1 (it came with the laptop).

I'm not. Closest thing I come to "playing a game" is that thing in the real world called "sport". :D

I run windows 7 on 3 PC's and 8.1 on my laptop, still like 7 the best.

I'm running Windows 7 on here. This is my main Windows desktop, though desktop duties are split batween this PC and another running Mint.

There are plenty of Linux distros out there - I recommend Mint for
Windows migrants.

Mint is very good.

I run one PI (PI3) on raspian the (PI2) I run Ubuntu
I run Lubuntu on my VPS's

I run Raspian on the Pi boards that I have (don't use the GUI). I've mentioned the desktop running Mint. Bush Track runs on a netbook which is running Debian Stretch, and I have another netbook running Lubuntu, which I use for travelling. It has all the stuff I need for BBSing. :)


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Re: Re: Windows Update's took out chrome and Halo
By: MRO to Reverb on Wed Dec 19 2018 15:45:27

i dont like any linux gui and i think they are just poor copies of windows o mac.

That's my issue with themes on GNU/Linux: too many of them try to look a lot like MacOSX or Windows. Why can't there be creative themes that are different? It's hard to find, really.

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Re: Re: Windows Update's took out chrome and Halo
By: MRO to Reverb on Wed Dec 19 2018 03:45 pm

i'm neither and i run windows because i like it.
it does exactly what i want it to do. i prefer to run servers on linux.

i dont like any linux gui and i think they are just poor copies of windows or mac.

I think the Linux GUIs generally tend to work well.. Some have specifically claimed they were trying to copy the Windows experience (I remember KDE saying that back around 2000 or so). Currently I like Linux Mint with its Cinnamon interface, and I haven't really had any problems with it.

i havent been compromised on windows but i have on linux.

What kind of attack/compromise was it? They say Windows is more often targeted because of how many people use Windows.

firefox is a piece of shit, btw.

Yeah, I used to use Firefox but haven't used it in a long time. I stopped liking it when they started making its UI more like Google Chrome. Also it seems to be a memory hog (but many web browsers do though, that's not just Firefox).

you should have updated to 10.

Some people prefer the UI in Windows 7. I tend to think Windows 8 and 10 have a fugly UI, but I upgraded to 10. It's good to use something that's currently being maintained and gets security updates.

Nightfox

Re: Re: Windows Update's took out chrome and Halo
By: Jagossel to MRO on Thu Dec 20 2018 06:07 am

That's my issue with themes on GNU/Linux: too many of them try to look a lot like MacOSX or Windows. Why can't there be creative themes that are different? It's hard to find, really.

A long time ago, I thought I saw plenty of themes for Linux GUIs, some that did copy Windows and OS X, but I thought there were plenty of others too. Actually, I don't recall seeing much GUI theme support in Linux lately, perhaps other than with Gnome. Currently my favorite Linux distro is Linux Mint with the Cinnamon UI, and I don't remember if it has theme support..

In Windows, I've been using Stardock WindowBlinds to change the look & feel of Windows, because I think the Windows 10 UI is generally fugly.. though, it seems there aren't many WindowBlinds themes that are 100% compatible with Windows 10, and sometimes it doesn't work perfect - sometimes some things in an app aren't aligned properly with it, and there have been incompatibilies with certan apps that would cause a crash (which have been fixed). Also, another thing I've noticed is that some apps for Windows (Microsoft's own apps in particular) seem to do their own custom GUI drawing, not using the Windows standard UI drawing, so WindowBlinds doesn't skin those apps..

Nightfox

Re: Re: Windows Update's took out chrome and Halo
By: Nightfox to MRO on Thu Dec 20 2018 01:30 pm

i havent been compromised on windows but i have on linux.

What kind of attack/compromise was it? They say Windows is more often targeted because of how many people use Windows.

it was a while ago but it was an OS/software combo. scared me that someone could get in. i was running updates.

oh i did get my windows servers compromised. i forgot about that. they didnt do anything bad. just encryped my shit and tried to get me to pay.

i dropped my firewalls and forgot to put them back up and they used an exploit. also i wasnt updating. so that's all my fault.

they didnt get anything and i restored an update pretty quick.

firefox is a piece of shit, btw.

Yeah, I used to use Firefox but haven't used it in a long time. I stopped liking it when they started making its UI more like Google Chrome. Also it

i used it because it had a few nice addons. it just uses way too much memory. it will be sitting doing nothing and it's using 2gigs or more. they keep saying they fixed the issues, but still happening.

Some people prefer the UI in Windows 7. I tend to think Windows 8 and 10 have a fugly UI, but I upgraded to 10. It's good to use something that's currently being maintained and gets security updates.

i use a different start menu and the only big stuff i see is in the file explorer with the larger icon section before the file bar
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Re: Re: Windows Update's took out chrome and Halo
By: MRO to Nightfox on Thu Dec 20 2018 06:19 pm

oh i did get my windows servers compromised. i forgot about that. they didnt do anything bad. just encryped my shit and tried to get me to pay.

Yeah, I remember hearing about that exploit going around a couple years ago.

i use a different start menu and the only big stuff i see is in the file explorer with the larger icon section before the file bar

I use a different Start menu in Windows 10 too - Classic Shell. I even downloaded a Windows 7 style Start menu icon that I'm using with it.

Nightfox

Re: Re: Windows Update's took out chrome and Halo
By: MRO to Reverb on Wed Dec 19 2018 15:45:27

I am a PC gamer although the only Windows version I have are 7 & 8.1 (it came with the laptop).

you should have updated to 10.

No thanks. An OS with forced updates that causes problems requiring hours to fix is not an OS I will be using.

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Nightfox, to Jagossel...

In Windows, I've been using Stardock WindowBlinds to change the look & feel of Windows, because I think the Windows 10 UI is generally fugly..
though, it seems there aren't many WindowBlinds themes that are 100% compatible with Windows 10, and sometimes it doesn't work perfect - sometimes some things in an app aren't aligned properly with it, and
there have been incompatibilies with certan apps that would cause a
crash (which have been fixed). Also, another thing I've noticed is
that some apps for Windows (Microsoft's own apps in particular) seem to
do their own custom GUI drawing, not using the Windows standard UI drawing, so WindowBlinds doesn't skin those apps..

You may have already guessed this as well, but I suspect the alignment and
the wierdness of themes in Windows 10 might have something to do with Microsoft's big push or move to use UWP (might have gotten the acronym
wrong, I hope you know what I mean) over other UIs. For some weird reason, using higher resolutions causes Windows 10 to jack up the "zoom". I plugged
my work laptop to one of the 4K TVs in the conference room and Windows 10 thought it would look better if it jacked up the resolution to the full 4K
and the zoom to 300%. That caused my other applications that wasn't using
UWP to be really tiny. I just gave up and forced it to be 1920x1080 and the zoom back to 100%; looked much better and I took a sigh of relief.

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Re: Re: Windows Update's took out chrome and Halo
By: Jagossel to Nightfox on Fri Dec 21 2018 07:48 am

In Windows, I've been using Stardock WindowBlinds to change the look
& feel of Windows, because I think the Windows 10 UI is generally
fugly.. though, it seems there aren't many WindowBlinds themes that
are 100% compatible with Windows 10, and sometimes it doesn't work
perfect - sometimes some things in an app aren't aligned properly

You may have already guessed this as well, but I suspect the alignment and the wierdness of themes in Windows 10 might have something to do with Microsoft's big push or move to use UWP (might have gotten the acronym wrong, I hope you know what I mean) over other UIs. For some weird reason,

I haven't heard of that exactly from Microsoft, but I'm guessing it may be the new Windows 10 app interface (vs. the traditional desktop interface)?

using higher resolutions causes Windows 10 to jack up the "zoom". I plugged my work laptop to one of the 4K TVs in the conference room and Windows 10 thought it would look better if it jacked up the resolution to the full 4K and the zoom to 300%. That caused my other applications that wasn't using UWP to be really tiny. I just gave up and forced it to be 1920x1080 and the zoom back to 100%; looked much better and I took a sigh of relief.

I've seen some weirdness with the Windows 10 UI too. I think it does zoom the interface a bit for high resolution screens; otherwise the icons, fonts, and things would be fairly small. I've also seen some weirdness with Windows Remote Desktop in Windows 10 - If I have a 1920x1080 screen and the remote system is also using the same size screen, I've seen instances where I'm using Remote Desktop to connect to the other system and it acts like the resolution is lower. And when I disconnect and then go to the physical system, the application windows are all crammed into a smaller area of the screen. It's weird..

Nightfox

Re: Re: Windows Update's took out chrome and Halo
By: Reverb to MRO on Fri Dec 21 2018 08:48 am

you should have updated to 10.

No thanks. An OS with forced updates that causes problems requiring hours to fix is not an OS I will be using.

i wouldnt use an OS like that neither. that's not what windows 10 is.
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Re: Re: Windows Update's took out chrome and Halo
By: MRO to Reverb on Fri Dec 21 2018 08:19 pm

No thanks. An OS with forced updates that causes problems requiring
hours to fix is not an OS I will be using.

i wouldnt use an OS like that neither. that's not what windows 10 is.

It might not take hours to fix (in my experience), but having personal settings reverted after an update is a little annoying.. I've had that happen multiple times with Windows 10.

Nightfox

Re: Re: Windows Update's took out chrome and Halo
By: Nightfox to MRO on Sat Dec 22 2018 10:52 am

Re: Re: Windows Update's took out chrome and Halo
By: MRO to Reverb on Fri Dec 21 2018 08:19 pm

No thanks. An OS with forced updates that causes problems requiring
hours to fix is not an OS I will be using.

i wouldnt use an OS like that neither. that's not what windows 10 is.

It might not take hours to fix (in my experience), but having personal settings reverted after an update is a little annoying.. I've had that happen multiple times with Windows 10.

yeah, but it's not big personal settings. i havent had it happen in quite a while actually. they might have fixed that issue.
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Re: Re: Windows Update's took out chrome and Halo
By: Reverb to MRO on Fri Dec 21 2018 08:48 am

you should have updated to 10.

No thanks. An OS with forced updates that causes problems requiring hours to fix is not an OS I will be using.

I run windows 10. My PC updates usually when I'm not around, and I've never had a problem that required hours to fix.

I've had plenty of problems that have required DAYS or WEEKS to try and fix with Linux though, but dealing with such things is my actual job.

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Re: Re: Windows Update's took out chrome and Halo
By: Reverb to MRO on Fri Dec 21 2018 08:48 am

Re: Re: Windows Update's took out chrome and Halo
By: MRO to Reverb on Wed Dec 19 2018 15:45:27

I am a PC gamer although the only Windows version I have are 7 & 8.1

(it

came with the laptop).

you should have updated to 10.

No thanks. An OS with forced updates that causes problems requiring hours to fix is not an OS I will be using.

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