Hello everyone,

At the moment I am using MultiMail to read QWK files under Linux. I like using QWK files because I can use VIM to edit my replies and save them if needs be.

MM is ok but it seems lacking in features and the color scheme it uses is hard on the eyes. I'm going to look around the config file to see if the colors can be changed.

In the meantime I wanted to ask, what other QWK reading option is there under Linux?

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Re: Reading QWK files under Linux
By: Zoohouse to All on Mon Oct 21 2019 09:01 am

MM is ok but it seems lacking in features and the color scheme it uses is hard on the eyes. I'm going to look around the config file to see if the colors can be changed.

Yes. The colors in multimail can be changed by editing the color file in the mm directory.



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Zoohouse wrote to All <=-

At the moment I am using MultiMail to read QWK files under Linux.
I like using QWK files because I can use VIM to edit my replies
and save them if needs be.

MM is ok but it seems lacking in features and the color scheme it
uses is hard on the eyes. I'm going to look around the config
file to see if the colors can be changed.

The color scheme is completely customizable. Look at 'colors.txt'
in your 'mmail' directory. There are several included "themes"
also in there.

In the meantime I wanted to ask, what other QWK reading option is
there under Linux?

I don't know of another Linux native offline mail reader. Another
option would be to use an old DOS app such as SLMR, OLX, Bluewave,
etc... running in DOSBOX. I tried that because I always loved
SLMR in the old days, but found it somewhat cumbersome. Moved to Multimail/Linux and really like it a lot now.


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Zoohouse wrote to All <=-

In the meantime I wanted to ask, what other QWK reading option is there under Linux?

Blue wave had a reader for linux.

Grease

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Re: Reading QWK files under Linux
By: Zoohouse to All on Mon Oct 21 2019 09:01 am

MM is ok but it seems lacking in features and the color scheme it uses is hard on the eyes. I'm going to look around the config file to see if the colors can be changed.

The colors are changeable, and yes, the default is hard to look at.

What features does it seem missing? Just curious, I was a BlueWave user for years but it's been years since using anything except MM.

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Grease wrote to Zoohouse <=-

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Zoohouse wrote to All <=-

In the meantime I wanted to ask, what other QWK reading option is there under Linux?

Blue wave had a reader for linux.

Grease

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I searched around for it and found a site that references it. The program was called bluemail but the site, http://home.wtal.de/ib/bluemail, is no more.

I guess I'll keep using mm. I just realized mm is still being developed. mm 0.49 is in the Ubuntu repos so I uninstalled it and compiled mm 0.52 from source.

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Zoohouse wrote to Grease <=-

I searched around for it and found a site that references it. The
program was called bluemail but the site,
http://home.wtal.de/ib/bluemail, is no more.

That's a bummer. Yep I'm a derp. It's a GTK theme. But I thought I saw it on the
archives.

I guess I'll keep using mm. I just realized mm is still being
developed. mm 0.49 is in the Ubuntu repos so I uninstalled it and
compiled mm 0.52 from source.

You can change colors. Maybe make it a little less stark.

Grease

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Grease to Zoohouse on Tue Oct 22 2019 05:18 pm

You can change colors. Maybe make it a little less stark.

Yea, I ended up changing the term's color scheme instead. Seemed easier. Everything is ok now.

Zoohouse

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On 10-21-19 09:01, Zoohouse wrote to All <=-

MM is ok but it seems lacking in features and the color scheme it uses
is hard on the eyes. I'm going to look around the config file to see if the colors can be changed.

I'm pretty sure the colour scheme can be changed, but I haven't been bothered enough to go looking.

In the meantime I wanted to ask, what other QWK reading option is there under Linux?

I'm not aware of anything else native.


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Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Zoohouse <=-

Re: Reading QWK files under Linux By: Zoohouse to All on Mon Oct 21
2019 09:01 am

MM is ok but it seems lacking in features and the color scheme it uses is hard on the eyes. I'm going to look around the config file to see if the colors can be changed.

The colors are changeable, and yes, the default is hard to look at.

What features does it seem missing? Just curious, I was a BlueWave
user for years but it's been years since using anything except MM.
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Is there anyway to tweak MultiMail to function more like BlueWave, for
instance with keyboard shortcuts and so-on? I've actually gone back to
BlueWave under DOSBox and am seriously enjoying it.


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Deepthaw wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

Is there anyway to tweak MultiMail to function more like BlueWave, for instance with keyboard shortcuts and so-on? I've actually gone back to BlueWave under DOSBox and am seriously enjoying it.

I don't think there are. I don't see any area for key bindings in the configuration file.


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Deepthaw wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

Is there anyway to tweak MultiMail to function more like BlueWave, for instance with keyboard shortcuts and so-on? I've actually gone back to BlueWave under DOSBox and am seriously enjoying it.

I tried that, but how do you get a registration for Blue Wave?

I threw mine out ages ago.

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Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: Dr. What to Deepthaw on Sun Oct 27 2019 08:14:00

Is there anyway to tweak MultiMail to function more like BlueWave, for instance with keyboard shortcuts and so-on? I've actually gone back to BlueWave under DOSBox and am seriously enjoying it.

I tried that, but how do you get a registration for Blue Wave?

you don't... there is no where to get one... it is long dead abandon-ware...

I threw mine out ages ago.

#oops!


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Dr. What wrote to Deepthaw <=-

Is there anyway to tweak MultiMail to function more like BlueWave, for instance with keyboard shortcuts and so-on? I've actually gone back to BlueWave under DOSBox and am seriously enjoying it.

I tried that, but how do you get a registration for Blue Wave?

You probably can't any more. It still works without being
registered, doesn't it?

I threw mine out ages ago.

Well, that was pretty........ silly, eh?



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Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: Dr. What to Deepthaw on Sun Oct 27 2019 08:14 am

Deepthaw wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

Is there anyway to tweak MultiMail to function more like BlueWave,
for instance with keyboard shortcuts and so-on? I've actually gone
back to BlueWave under DOSBox and am seriously enjoying it.

I tried that, but how do you get a registration for Blue Wave?

I have a ton of BBS Related Cracks,Serials,Software Full BBS Packages , Utils , doors , Misc files... I'm not sure if I have one for BlueWave but your welcome to stop by The Insane Asylum when you get a free moment. Let me know who you are and that your a visiting sysop....

BrokenMind

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: Gamgee to Dr. What on Sun Oct 27 2019 08:51 pm

You probably can't any more. It still works without being
registered, doesn't it?

I threw mine out ages ago.

Well, that was pretty........ silly, eh?
... Do you know where you are?

I did go into my Elite BBS related files and i have two cracks or it might be serials for bluewave... if anyone is still intrested in registering...

BrokenMind

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Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: Brokenmind to Dr. What on Sun Oct 27 2019 11:35 pm

I have a ton of BBS Related Cracks,Serials,Software Full BBS Packages , Util doors , Misc files... I'm not sure if I have one for BlueWave but your welco

your're welcome.
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Gamgee wrote to Dr. What <=-

I tried that, but how do you get a registration for Blue Wave?

You probably can't any more. It still works without being
registered, doesn't it?

You get a delay to start the program if it's unregistered.
I thought that it also limited how much you could do until registered (it's been a LONG time since I was a Blue Wave tester).

I threw mine out ages ago.

Well, that was pretty........ silly, eh?

Well, I didn't have a computer that could run it and I stopped calling BBSs where I used it. So it wasn't useful anymore.

But that's the story for alot of us who are in to vintage/retro computing.

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Dr. What wrote to Gamgee <=-

I tried that, but how do you get a registration for Blue Wave?

You probably can't any more. It still works without being
registered, doesn't it?

You get a delay to start the program if it's unregistered.
I thought that it also limited how much you could do until
registered (it's been a LONG time since I was a Blue Wave
tester).

I'm not sure what (if any) limitations it has, either. As others
have stated, there are probably keys/cracks for it floating about.

I threw mine out ages ago.

Well, that was pretty........ silly, eh?

Well, I didn't have a computer that could run it and I stopped
calling BBSs where I used it. So it wasn't useful anymore.

Most any computer that I know of could run it...

But that's the story for alot of us who are in to vintage/retro
computing.

I have all of the registrations for shareware and commercial ware
that I bought way back then (early 90's). Some of them are used
regularly to this day. Can't imagine throwing something like that
away, ever.



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On 10-28-19 08:35, Brokenmind wrote to Gamgee <=-

I did go into my Elite BBS related files and i have two cracks or it
might be serials for bluewave... if anyone is still intrested in registering...

I might take you up on that if I can't find my registered copy. :)


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Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: MRO to Brokenmind on Mon Oct 28 2019 04:02 pm

I have a ton of BBS Related Cracks,Serials,Software Full BBS Packages , Util doors , Misc files... I'm not sure if I have one for BlueWave but your welco

Hey Brokenmind what's up with the phone number stuff on your board? Who gives out their phone number? I can't get past your login. I don't give out my phone number. Do you have many users?


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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: Vk3jed to Brokenmind on Tue Oct 29 2019 09:44 pm

On 10-28-19 08:35, Brokenmind wrote to Gamgee <=-

I did go into my Elite BBS related files and i have two cracks or it might be serials for bluewave... if anyone is still intrested in registering...

I might take you up on that if I can't find my registered copy. :)

isnt bluewave y2k busted
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On 10-29-19 22:40, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: Vk3jed to Brokenmind on Tue Oct 29 2019 09:44 pm

On 10-28-19 08:35, Brokenmind wrote to Gamgee <=-

I did go into my Elite BBS related files and i have two cracks or it might be serials for bluewave... if anyone is still intrested in registering...

I might take you up on that if I can't find my registered copy. :)

isnt bluewave y2k busted

There are patched versions readily available.


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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: MRO to Vk3jed on Tue Oct 29 2019 22:40:33

isnt bluewave y2k busted

without the fix or the patch, yes... the fix is a bandaid but the patch is better and actually fixes the problem...

Bw_Y2K2.Zip 1126k May 14, 2015

Blue Wave Mail - Y2K Patch V2
Patches for Readers and Doors:
DOS (16bit), DOS386 (32bit)
And now: OS2
Includes tools to apply the patch
Not supported by original authors
Use at your own risk! {2015}

ftp://sestar.synchro.net/main/BLUEWAVE/Bw_Y2K2.Zip



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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: Vk3jed to Brokenmind on Tue Oct 29 2019 09:44 pm

I might take you up on that if I can't find my registered copy. :)

Sounds like a plan

I have a ton of Elite Files for Old School BBS related programs. BBS Software , Utils , doors, and cracks ,patches ,serials for them. I also carry all ready fully registerd BBS Software as well...

BrokenMind

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Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: HusTler to Brokenmind on Tue Oct 29 2019 04:44 pm

Hey Brokenmind what's up with the phone number stuff on your board? Who gives out their phone number? I can't get past your login. I don't give out my phone number. Do you have many users?

Some People give there phone numbers if you remember back in the day that's how alot of people were valadated. But that's up to them I keep everything private. Use a fake number if you wish but that's up to you. I have been getting new users now and then but nothing close to what I had back in the 80's. I had a huge user base though i was not using synchronet back then and my board had new user voting. I was really into the Elite Scene back then and affiliated with all sorts of groups. But anyways like I said feel free to use a fake number if you wish. but again i'm not all about spam and all that crap

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Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: Brokenmind to HusTler on Wed Oct 30 2019 03:45 pm

Hey Brokenmind what's up with the phone number stuff on your board? Who gives out their
phone number? I can't get past your login. I don't give out my phone number. Do you have
many users?

board had new user voting. I was really into the Elite Scene back then and affiliated with all
sorts of groups. But anyways like I said feel free to use a fake number if you wish. but again
i'm not all about spam and all that crap

I was part of that too. I'm sure I did use a fake number but I'm not going to remember that. Maybe delete the acount and I'll create another one? I insist on keeping my handle '-)



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On 10-30-19 15:37, Brokenmind wrote to Vk3jed <=-

I might take you up on that if I can't find my registered copy. :)

Sounds like a plan

I have a ton of Elite Files for Old School BBS related programs. BBS Software , Utils , doors, and cracks ,patches ,serials for them. I also carry all ready fully registerd BBS Software as well...

Yeah, abandonware is a pain. :/


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On 10-30-19 15:45, Brokenmind wrote to HusTler <=-

Some People give there phone numbers if you remember back in the day that's how alot of people were valadated. But that's up to them I keep everything private. Use a fake number if you wish but that's up to you.
I have been getting new users now and then but nothing close to what I
had back in the 80's. I had a huge user base though i was not using synchronet back then and my board had new user voting. I was really
into the Elite Scene back then and affiliated with all sorts of groups. But anyways like I said feel free to use a fake number if you wish.
but again i'm not all about spam and all that crap

These days, I turn off phone number input. It's pointless. Also, back in the day, a lot of software validated phone numbers using US formatting rules, which don't make sense here. 2 good reasons not to bother.

And there's the issue of privacy laws. Collecting more information than one actually needs isn't a good idea these days. It's got to the point that all I need is:

Name (real(ish) name)
Handle/alias
Email address (for off BBS contact and optional forwarding)

I do get a date of birth - mostly for stats and if I ever offer anything "adult" (not likely these days, but you never know).


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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: Vk3jed to Brokenmind on Thu Oct 31 2019 12:47 pm

And there's the issue of privacy laws. Collecting more information than one actually needs isn't a good idea these days. It's got to the point

I wonder how that worked back in the 80s and 90s when BBSes often used callback verifiers to verify users.

I do get a date of birth - mostly for stats and if I ever offer anything "adult" (not likely these days, but you never know).

Some people would probably give a false birthdate. I think there can be laws against offering adult material to minors, depending on the country/state/etc. Even if someone lies about their age, you might still be liable.

Nightfox

Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

And there's the issue of privacy laws. Collecting more information than one actually needs isn't a good idea these days. It's got to the point

I wonder how that worked back in the 80s and 90s when BBSes often
used callback verifiers to verify users.

Things were different back then. People weren't so worried about
their information, probably because the internet wasn't really
around yet and "identity theft" was not something that happened
much as far as I know. It was pretty standard to have a CBV on
your BBS for new users to have to get validated with before
getting full access to the BBS. Nobody seemed to mind.

I do get a date of birth - mostly for stats and if I ever offer anything "adult" (not likely these days, but you never know).

Some people would probably give a false birthdate. I think there
can be laws against offering adult material to minors, depending
on the country/state/etc. Even if someone lies about their age,
you might still be liable.

Oh yes. I used to require an application for adult access to be
filled out, printed on paper, and snail-mailed back to me, along
with a copy of the applicant's drivers license showing age, before
they were granted access to the "adult" areas. Nowadays that
content would be considered "tame" compared to what is readily
available to kids on the web.



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On 10-31-19 09:50, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

I wonder how that worked back in the 80s and 90s when BBSes often used callback verifiers to verify users.

Privacy laws were a lot less restrictive back then, and it could be argued that prospective users were notified in advance of the verification.

Some people would probably give a false birthdate. I think there can
be laws against offering adult material to minors, depending on the country/state/etc. Even if someone lies about their age, you might
still be liable.

Yeah, that's highly likely. These days, a highly improbable problem (what kid would be interested in logging in in the first place in 2019?), but certainly was a big issue back then.

Oddly enough, it's actually easier now on many sites to lie about your age and get access to adult material than it was in the BBS heydays, where you were more likely to be voice verified or even met in person by the sysop.


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On 10-31-19 13:55, Gamgee wrote to Nightfox <=-

Things were different back then. People weren't so worried about
their information, probably because the internet wasn't really
around yet and "identity theft" was not something that happened
much as far as I know. It was pretty standard to have a CBV on
your BBS for new users to have to get validated with before
getting full access to the BBS. Nobody seemed to mind.

Yes, they were different times. For cost reasons (25c/call), automated callback verifiers weren't common here, but many of us knew each other, and anyone we didn't generally got a phone call from the sysop for voice verification.

Oh yes. I used to require an application for adult access to be
filled out, printed on paper, and snail-mailed back to me, along
with a copy of the applicant's drivers license showing age, before
they were granted access to the "adult" areas. Nowadays that
content would be considered "tame" compared to what is readily
available to kids on the web.

Yes, we required to see some proof of age, and yes, adult content was very tame compared to today.


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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Fri Nov 01 2019 08:16 am

Oddly enough, it's actually easier now on many sites to lie about your age and get access to adult material than it was in the BBS heydays, where you were more likely to be voice verified or even met in person by the sysop.

Yeah, I'm not sure where the liability is (if there is any) with underage users accessing adult material. I'm not sure there are even any laws on it, even though organizations try to prevent underage users from seeing that kind of content. Also, I've seen web sites that display a pop-up saying "You must be at least 18 (or some age) to access this site, are you at least that age?" and anyone can just click "yes" and enter the site.

Nightfox

Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: HusTler to Brokenmind on Wed Oct 30 2019 09:05 pm

N

I was part of that too. I'm sure I did use a fake number but I'm not going to remember that. Maybe delete the acount and I'll create another one? I insist on keeping my handle '-)

Ok... Done

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: Vk3jed to Brokenmind on Thu Oct 31 2019 12:17 pm

Yeah, abandonware is a pain. :/

Yes it can be but it's preaty cool to still play around with if you have hardware that will support what your playing with....

BrokenMind

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: Vk3jed to Brokenmind on Thu Oct 31 2019 12:47 pm

And there's the issue of privacy laws. Collecting more information than one actually needs isn't a good idea these days. It's got to the point that all I need is:

Thats true also.. I might as well just turn it off... I had it turned on since I started useing synchronet....

BrokenMind

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Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: HusTler to Brokenmind on Wed Oct 30 2019 09:05 pm

Hey Brokenmind what's up with the phone number stuff on your
board? Who gives out their phone number? I can't get past your
login. I don't give out my phone number. Do you have many users?

I never gave my real information when it came to the Elite scene but had no big issues on regular boards depending but that's really a wisdom issue more than anything...

BrokenMind

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: Brokenmind to Vk3jed on Thu Oct 31 2019 11:37 am

Thats true also.. I might as well just turn it off... I had it turned on since I started useing synchronet....

BrokenMind

Yaaay! I didn't need a phone number this time! Your disclaimers make me feel like I'm loging into the KAOS (Get Smart) main frame. lol


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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: Nightfox to Vk3jed on Thu Oct 31 2019 05:30 pm

Yeah, I'm not sure where the liability is (if there is any) with underage us accessing adult material. I'm not sure there are even any laws on it, even though organizations try to prevent underage users from seeing that kind of

they can use secton 230 of the communications decency act if they want to twist things.
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Re: Reading QWK files under RE:
By: Brokenmind to HusTler on Thu Oct 31 2019 11:41 am

I never gave my real information when it came to the Elite scene but had no big issues on regular boards depending but that's really a wisdom issue more than anything...

BrokenMind

Nobody did if you were truely "Elite". Warez traders never used real info. Were you in the Commodore scene at all? Man there was a new release every day. Games Games and more Games. I met more 16 year old coders back then. Smart kids. Really smart. I'd love to know what they did with their lives. Did they use their skills wisely or end up behind bars? ;-)





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On 10-31-19 17:30, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Yeah, I'm not sure where the liability is (if there is any) with
underage users accessing adult material. I'm not sure there are even

I'm not sure what the state of the law is these days. 20 years ago, there was a lot of unease around the issue, and there were both adult verification systems (credit card based), along with all sorts of proposals, from the reasonable to the draconian, but that all seems to have fallen silent.

I have no idea what came of it all.

any laws on it, even though organizations try to prevent underage users from seeing that kind of content. Also, I've seen web sites that

I have a suspicion that some "reasonable attempt" must be made to verify a person's age (at least in Australia) before granting access, but couldn't say what "reasonable" would entail. As the vast majority of adult websites are based overseas, so there's no truly reprsentative examples.

display a pop-up saying "You must be at least 18 (or some age) to
access this site, are you at least that age?" and anyone can just click "yes" and enter the site.

That seems to be the common thing these days.


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On 10-31-19 11:36, Brokenmind wrote to Vk3jed <=-

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: Vk3jed to Brokenmind on Thu Oct 31 2019 12:17 pm

Yeah, abandonware is a pain. :/

Yes it can be but it's preaty cool to still play around with if you
have hardware that will support what your playing with....

True. Maybe one day I'll get an OS/2 (or ArcaOS) box up and running. :)


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On 10-31-19 11:37, Brokenmind wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Thats true also.. I might as well just turn it off... I had it turned
on since I started useing synchronet....

Yeah I only ask a few questions for my new users. :)


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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: HusTler to Brokenmind on Thu Oct 31 2019 09:47 pm

BrokenMind

Yaaay! I didn't need a phone number this time! Your disclaimers make me

Thanks though I have not had the time to really mod the board how I would like it to look aka coustom ansi menus and such. I do like to make things look old school. I'm still learning new things all the time when it comes to synchronet it has a lot to offer.

BrokenMind


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Re: Reading QWK files under RE:
By: HusTler to Brokenmind on Thu Oct 31 2019 10:26 pm

Nobody did if you were truely "Elite". Warez traders never used real info. Were you in the Commodore scene at all? Man there was a new release every day. Games Games and more Games. I met more 16 year old coders back then. Smart kids. Really smart. I'd love to know what they did with their lives. Did they use their skills wisely or end up behind bars? ;-)

I never used my real name back then for anything. I was never into the Commodore Scene. I got myself into all sorts of stuff. Let's just say that in today's world that if I had been caught, I would have been put into a prison cell and they would have made the Prison cell disappear I call them the young and dumb years. When you ask what a lot of ended up doing with our lives. Some of us ended up getting caught and threatened with imprisonment even as a minor and their parents were threatened with imprisonment and fines and warned that If their child ever wanted to get job working for a government or wanted a grant it would not happen and if they wanted a government job, they would never get a clearance. And then for some they then talked to the parents and offered to pay for their kids college education and then when they we not that much older they ended up taking a polygraph and ended up being able to serve there county instead of being a nuisance and. They also ended up being able to play with all sorts of hardware and adult toys that made their PC look like a preschool toy or something that was just starting to be built in Hewlett & Packard Garage. And yet others that were older ended up doing prison time and ended up being picked up by a computer company and ended up making millions. I could on and on answering that question.

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: Vk3jed to Brokenmind on Fri Nov 01 2019 07:08 pm

Yeah I only ask a few questions for my new users. :)

I have not played with a lot of the new user settings except the security levels and few others newuser options. When I get more time I would like to
set the new user levels for a coustom menu for new users and then a regualr menu for valadated users


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Re: Reading QWK files under RE:
By: Brokenmind to HusTler on Fri Nov 01 2019 09:03 am

coders back then. Smart kids. Really smart. I'd love to know what they did with their lives. Did they use their skills wisely or end up behind bars? ;-)

Commodore Scene. I got myself into all sorts of stuff. Let's just say that prison cell and they would have made the Prison cell disappear I call them picked up by a computer company and ended up making millions. I could on and on answering that question.

Facinating. I'd love to hear more. Years ago a buddy of mine got busted. He got off with probation and they took all is computer shit. He was "wiz" but he hated working for someone else. Loved his joints and beer. lol


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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: Vk3jed to Brokenmind on Fri Nov 01 2019 07:07 pm

True. Maybe one day I'll get an OS/2 (or ArcaOS) box up and running. :)

I saw something posted by Sean Dennis (a BBS sysop who's into OS/2 quite a bit, who has developed some OS/2 BBS tools), and I seem to remember him saying ArcaOS seems to have some slight incompatibilities with some older OS/2 software. I think it was on a BBSing group on Facebook where I saw his post.

ArcaOS seems interesting though.. Recently I watched a video on YouTube about it, where the presenter said the source code for OS/2 wasn't available so they had to reverse-engineer it and patch it to make it more up to date. He said they even got IBM's approval to do that - but what didn't make sense to me is if they got IBM's approval, why couldn't they provide the source code? I imagine IBM must still have a copy of the OS/2 source code somewhere.

Nightfox

Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Nightfox to Vk3jed on Thu Oct 31 2019 05:30 pm

Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Fri Nov 01 2019 08:16 am

Oddly enough, it's actually easier now on many sites to lie about your and get access to adult material than it was in the BBS heydays, where were more likely to be voice verified or even met in person by the syso

Yeah, I'm not sure where the liability is (if there is any) with underage us een web sites that display a pop-up saying "You must be at least 18 (or some

Nightfox

Back in the days the BBS' I visited had local area numbers, so everybody knew each other in some capacity. We'd find out about the boards through a
friend, and they were a friend of that friend, and eventually you'd run into someone you know online. On a couple of board there were some younger
members, and once a sysop learned or knew of a person being under 18, people would keep an eye on them if they strayed into the more adult conversation areas. I recall there was one girl who was 15 or 16, and she would like to create private conversations with members and talk dirty. On one site there was a notice of all the under age members on the board, so be aware and let
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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Fri Nov 01 2019 12:58 pm

Back in the days the BBS' I visited had local area numbers, so everybody knew each other in some capacity. We'd find out about the boards through a friend, and they were a friend of that friend, and eventually you'd run into someone you know online. On a couple of board there were some younger

I called a lot of local boards in my area, but usually I found out about local BBSes in BBS lists - There was a BBS list for my area maintained by someone and distributed around local BBSes in my area. There was also a local computer magazine in my area that had a list of local BBSes in the back.

Nightfox

Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: Nightfox to Vk3jed on Fri Nov 01 2019 10:26 am

ArcaOS seems interesting though.. Recently I watched a video on YouTube abo it, where the presenter said the source code for OS/2 wasn't available so th had to reverse-engineer it and patch it to make it more up to date. He said they even got IBM's approval to do that - but what didn't make sense to me i if they got IBM's approval, why couldn't they provide the source code? I imagine IBM must still have a copy of the OS/2 source code somewhere.

watch the video again. he explains how convoluted the whole situation is.
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On 11-01-19 09:06, Brokenmind wrote to Vk3jed <=-

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: Vk3jed to Brokenmind on Fri Nov 01 2019 07:08 pm

Yeah I only ask a few questions for my new users. :)

I have not played with a lot of the new user settings except the
security levels and few others newuser options. When I get more time I would like to set the new user levels for a coustom menu for new users
and then a regualr menu for valadated users

Yeah I just wanted to pare down the question list to better suit today's environment.


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On 11-01-19 10:26, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

True. Maybe one day I'll get an OS/2 (or ArcaOS) box up and running. :)

I saw something posted by Sean Dennis (a BBS sysop who's into OS/2
quite a bit, who has developed some OS/2 BBS tools), and I seem to remember him saying ArcaOS seems to have some slight incompatibilities with some older OS/2 software. I think it was on a BBSing group on Facebook where I saw his post.

Interesting. Wonder what's affected. Running OS/2 itself means either a compatible VM or older hardware. :(

ArcaOS seems interesting though.. Recently I watched a video on
YouTube about it, where the presenter said the source code for OS/2
wasn't available so they had to reverse-engineer it and patch it to
make it more up to date. He said they even got IBM's approval to do
that - but what didn't make sense to me is if they got IBM's approval,
why couldn't they provide the source code? I imagine IBM must still
have a copy of the OS/2 source code somewhere.

Probably some licensng issues for some the source code.


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Re: Reading QWK files under RE:
By: HusTler to Brokenmind on Fri Nov 01 2019 09:59 am

Facinating. I'd love to hear more. Years ago a buddy of mine got busted. but he hated working for someone else. Loved his joints and beer. lol

I know the feeling when it comes to working for someone else but that's nature of the beast at times...

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Fri Nov 01 2019 12:58 pm

into someone you know online. On a couple of board there were some younger members, and once a sysop learned or knew of a person being under 18, people would keep an eye on them if they strayed into the more adult conversation areas. I recall there was one girl who was 15 or 16, and she would like to create private conversations with members and talk dirty. On one site there was a notice of all the under age members on the board, so be aware and let the sysop know if there are any more.

I had someone on a BBS when i was in the 4th or 5th grade that would have come
to house and picked me up and took me to a motel so I could see real porn and quote "Mabey we can mess around" I'm so thankfull I did not take that person up on there offer...Also when i was around that age I was hit up by an adult multi times on a synchronet system from the bay area and I actually contacted the SysOp and was told that he had been doing this to a number of young people and he said he would look into it.... BBS could be a dangerous place and the internet is even worse.

BrokenMind


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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: Vk3jed to Brokenmind on Sat Nov 02 2019 09:42 am

Yeah I just wanted to pare down the question list to better suit today's environment.

Yes todays world and environment is totaly differnt now than it was

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On 11-01-19 22:57, Brokenmind wrote to Vk3jed <=-

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: Vk3jed to Brokenmind on Sat Nov 02 2019 09:42 am

Yeah I just wanted to pare down the question list to better suit today's environment.

Yes todays world and environment is totaly differnt now than it was

Yep. Maybe sometime we need to revisit just what would you ask of a 2020s user (since the 20s are just around the corner :) ).


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On 11-01-19 22:56, Brokenmind wrote to Moondog <=-

I had someone on a BBS when i was in the 4th or 5th grade that would
have come
to house and picked me up and took me to a motel so I could see real
porn and quote "Mabey we can mess around" I'm so thankfull I did not
take that person up on there offer...Also when i was around that age I
was hit up by an adult multi times on a synchronet system from the bay area and I actually contacted the SysOp and was told that he had been doing this to a number of young people and he said he would look into it.... BBS could be a dangerous place and the internet is even worse.

Never had any of those issues with our users AFAIK. But we didn't run chat (kinda pointless with only one line), and in those days, the sysop was able to read all messages, including private ones - today's software has capabilities unheard of back then.


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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: Vk3jed to Brokenmind on Sat Nov 02 2019 10:01 pm

Yes todays world and environment is totaly differnt now than it was

Yep. Maybe sometime we need to revisit just what would you ask of a 2020s u (since the 20s are just around the corner :) ).

for my bbs, i just ask age and location. i do however have a new user questionaire that is more of a demo for a mod i made years ago.
having that sucker really has proven to be a great way to weed out the bad people. sometimes someone will just write fuckyou in everything and disconnect.


i dont think it's THAT bad, but i got a few complaints. i tell them it's more of an asshole filter and i dont even look at the results most of the time.
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ArcaOS seems interesting though.. Recently I watched a video on YouTube about >t, where the presenter said the source code for OS/2 wasn't available so they h
d to reverse-engineer it and patch it to make it more up to date. He said they
even got IBM's approval to do that - but what didn't make sense to me is if the
got IBM's approval, why couldn't they provide the source code? I imagine IBM
ust still have a copy of the OS/2 source code somewhere.

Without watching the video I would guess that some of the code in the
source is copyrighted by Microsoft. In the early days of OS/2, M$ and IBM
were working together. At some point, there were disagreements so they split off, with M$ creating Windows NT and IBM creating OS/2.

That is a very oversimplified telling of it, in part because I don't
remember all about it any more.

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Interesting. Wonder what's affected. Running OS/2 itself means either
a compatible VM or older hardware. :(

I have Warp 3 on floppy disk, tempted to load it up...


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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Sat Nov 02 2019 11:12 am

Without watching the video I would guess that some of the code in the source is copyrighted by Microsoft. In the early days of OS/2, M$ and IBM were working together. At some point, there were disagreements so they split off, with M$ creating Windows NT and IBM creating OS/2.

Yeah, I've heard about the history of OS/2. Microsoft left the OS/2 project a long time ago though.. I'm not sure if they'd care about such "old" code anymore. IBM had also released multiple versions of OS/2 since Microsoft split off.

Nightfox

Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Vk3jed on Sat Nov 02 2019 09:22 am

I have Warp 3 on floppy disk, tempted to load it up...

There used to be a store in my area that sold used software (and people could come in and they'd give money for software you didn't want anymore so they could resell it). One time I bought a used copy of OS/2 Warp 3 from there, on floppy disk. When I tried installing it, I found some of the floppies were bad. At first I tried going online and explaining I bought it and asked if anyone would be willing to share floppy disk images for me, but too many of them were bad and I ended up returning it. Eventually I bought a new copy elsewhere.

That used software store eventually closed - I think they ran into legal issues with selling used copies of computer software.

Nightfox

Re: Reading QWK files under R
By: Brokenmind to HusTler on Fri Nov 01 2019 10:50 pm

Re: Reading QWK files under RE:
By: HusTler to Brokenmind on Fri Nov 01 2019 09:59 am

Facinating. I'd love to hear more. Years ago a buddy of mine got busted but he hated working for someone else. Loved his joints and beer. lol

I know the feeling when it comes to working for someone else but that's natu

broknemind

Funny thing is I've seen some of the worst workers do the best work while working for themselves.

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Brokenmind to Moondog on Fri Nov 01 2019 10:56 pm

Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Fri Nov 01 2019 12:58 pm

into someone you know online. On a couple of board there were some youn members, and once a sysop learned or knew of a person being under 18, people would keep an eye on them if they strayed into the more adult conversation areas. I recall there was one girl who was 15 or 16, and s would like to create private conversations with members and talk dirty. one site there was a notice of all the under age members on the board, be aware and let the sysop know if there are any more.

I had someone on a BBS when i was in the 4th or 5th grade that would have c
to house and picked me up and took me to a motel so I could see real porn a hronet system from the bay area and I actually contacted the SysOp and was t

BrokenMind

Most of the sysops I knew would grant co-sysop access to a select few so
they could read private messages, just because there were some younger
people, mostly younger siblings or children of other board users.

When the internet arrived and IRC was the big thing, one of my neighbor's grandsons was arrested in a statewide sting operation designed to catch child predators. A state police officer would pretend to be 13 or 14 y/o, and they would keep transcripts of conversations. From what I read, the operation was similar to that of the NBC show about catching predators. If a predator
wanted to meet, a time and place would be arranged, and multiple cameras were saet up to record everything. They would also search the suspects vehicles
and find drugs, liquor, and condoms.

The neighbor's grandson plead not guilty, claiming he was doing youth ministries worktalking kids out of doing stuff, however the chat logs and evidence in his truck led to two twenty year sentences. Sounds harsh, but he was out in 7 for good behavior.

I wish transcripts were easily available, because others who had plead guilty had much lower sentences, such as 9 months.

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: MRO to Vk3jed on Sat Nov 02 2019 11:26 am

i dont think it's THAT bad, but i got a few complaints. i tell them it's more of an asshole filter and i dont even look at the results most of the time.

"Asshole filter" HA!!! That's Great! Well said. :-)



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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Nov 02 2019 11:30 am

floppies were bad. At first I tried going online and explaining I bought it and asked if anyone would be willing to share floppy disk images for me, but

That used software store eventually closed - I think they ran into legal issues with selling used copies of computer software.

Reminds me of all the Porn shops renting and selling illegal copies of movies. I always felt copying porn was worse then making copies of software. I guess because women were involved. There's No human side of the software developer slaving over his keyboard day in and day out.

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: HusTler to Nightfox on Sat Nov 02 2019 04:56 pm

That used software store eventually closed - I think they ran into
legal
issues with selling used copies of computer software.

Reminds me of all the Porn shops renting and selling illegal copies of movies. I always felt copying porn was worse then making copies of software. I guess because women were involved. There's No human side of the software developer slaving over his keyboard day in and day out.

If someone has slaved over their keyboard making the software, it definitely does involve a person. If you would have otherwise bought that software, making a copy of it results in one less sale for the software company, meaning the people working on it basically worked for nothing.

On the other hand, if copying porn results in fewer porn sales, I wouldn't mind so much. The porn industry isn't a very glamorous profession, and I don't think porn actors/actresses tend to stay in the industry very long.

That used software store sold original copies; they didn't sell copied discs or anything like that. In a way it seems like it should be similar to selling used music on CD, cassette, record, etc.. I've heard the music industry has tried to stop stores from selling used copies of music because they only make money on the original sale. However, we all know it's still legal to sell used copies of music.

Nightfox

Re: Reading QWK files under R
By: Moondog to Brokenmind on Sat Nov 02 2019 11:08 am

Funny thing is I've seen some of the worst workers do the best work while working for themselves.

I've known startup CEOs that would qualify as high-functioning sociopaths. They couldn't work for anyone, so starting a company was a logical choice.

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On 11-02-19 11:26, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

for my bbs, i just ask age and location. i do however have a new user

Yeah that's reasonable. I don't ask a lot more from memory.

questionaire that is more of a demo for a mod i made years ago.
having that sucker really has proven to be a great way to weed out the bad people. sometimes someone will just write fuckyou in everything and disconnect.

Cool, what did you have in that?

i dont think it's THAT bad, but i got a few complaints. i tell them
it's more of an asshole filter and i dont even look at the results
most of the time.

Haha seems to be effective! :D


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On 11-02-19 09:22, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

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Vk3jed wrote to Nightfox <=-

Interesting. Wonder what's affected. Running OS/2 itself means either
a compatible VM or older hardware. :(

I have Warp 3 on floppy disk, tempted to load it up...

I have Warp 3 and 4 images here, but finding an environment that OS/2 will run under AND be able to access my old HDD image has proven difficult. When I add my old HDD image to VirtualBox, the VM wants to boot off it, even if it's the secondary drive and the boot device is set to primary master (the one with the fresh installation of Warp 4 on it). :(

And the old drive won't boot because it was installed on radically different hardware (an old 486).


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On 11-02-19 16:56, HusTler wrote to Nightfox <=-

Reminds me of all the Porn shops renting and selling illegal copies
of movies. I always felt copying porn was worse then making copies of software. I guess because women were involved. There's No human side of the software developer slaving over his keyboard day in and day out.

Strange thing back in the 90s is everyone I knew who had porn (on VHS) had copies. Where were the originals?


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On 11-02-19 15:30, Nightfox wrote to HusTler <=-

That used software store sold original copies; they didn't sell copied discs or anything like that. In a way it seems like it should be
similar to selling used music on CD, cassette, record, etc.. I've
heard the music industry has tried to stop stores from selling used
copies of music because they only make money on the original sale. However, we all know it's still legal to sell used copies of music.

I think some software licenses prohibit resale. That might have been an issue for the store. Software reselling is not always like reselling music or video.


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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: Nightfox to HusTler on Sat Nov 02 2019 03:30 pm

That used software store sold original copies; they didn't sell copied discs or anything like that. In a way it seems like it should be similar to selling used music on CD, cassette, record, etc.. I've heard the music industry has tried to stop stores from selling used copies of music because

I'm pretty sure it's illegal to copy ANY copyright material. Porn wasn't so freely available as it is today. Today any woman that does a few movies are called porn stars and then their movies are posted online. That's not even close to what I experienced. You could only see "Porn Stars" in a Movie Theatre. I don't remember seeing any software and computer stores so I can't tell you how progammers earned a living. I thought they worked for banks or something.

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: Vk3jed to HusTler on Sun Nov 03 2019 12:34 pm

Strange thing back in the 90s is everyone I knew who had porn (on VHS) had copies. Where were the originals?

In porn shops or purchased thru mail order, copied and then distributed.


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Re: Reading QWK files under R
By: Moondog to Brokenmind on Sat Nov 02 2019 11:08 am

Funny thing is I've seen some of the worst workers do the best work while working for themselves.

I should have said that could be the nature of the beast. but what we choose to do could make all the differance... I Totally agree with you...

BrokenMind

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Moondog to Brokenmind on Sat Nov 02 2019 11:25 am

The neighbor's grandson plead not guilty, claiming he was doing youth ministries worktalking kids out of doing stuff, however the chat logs and evidence in his truck led to two twenty year sentences. Sounds harsh, but he was out in 7 for good behavior.
I wish transcripts were easily available, because others who had plead guilty had much lower sentences, such as 9 months.

You never know who you may be chatting with. Tech can be used for good and bad..

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Re: Reading QWK files under R
By: Moondog to Brokenmind on Sat Nov 02 2019 11:08 am

Funny thing is I've seen some of the worst workers do the best work while working for themselves.

how were they bad workers?
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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Moondog to Brokenmind on Sat Nov 02 2019 11:25 am

would keep transcripts of conversations. From what I read, the operation wa similar to that of the NBC show about catching predators. If a predator

that show really didnt do anything good.
it got a bunch of lawsuits [that's why it's off the air] and the people
that DID get charges got a slap on the wrist.

The neighbor's grandson plead not guilty, claiming he was doing youth ministries worktalking kids out of doing stuff, however the chat logs and evidence in his truck led to two twenty year sentences. Sounds harsh, but h

usually you only get that time if you rape the kid.
other wise it's like 1-2 years.

they actually got my city's mayor doing that shit. they even were going to let him off easy and he was at the local mall buying little girl panties and candy when he was out on bail.
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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: Nightfox to HusTler on Sat Nov 02 2019 03:30 pm

If someone has slaved over their keyboard making the software, it definitely does involve a person. If you would have otherwise bought that software, making a copy of it results in one less sale for the software company, meani the people working on it basically worked for nothing.

On the other hand, if copying porn results in fewer porn sales, I wouldn't m so much. The porn industry isn't a very glamorous profession, and I don't think porn actors/actresses tend to stay in the industry very long.

they stay in there long enough and they certainly work hard. they tour the country at strip clubs too. that shit isnt easy. i know 2 of them who travel 52 weeks a year.
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Re: Reading QWK files under R
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Sat Nov 02 2019 05:35 pm

Re: Reading QWK files under R
By: Moondog to Brokenmind on Sat Nov 02 2019 11:08 am

Funny thing is I've seen some of the worst workers do the best work whil working for themselves.

I've known startup CEOs that would qualify as high-functioning sociopaths. T couldn't work for anyone, so starting a company was a logical choice.

i have an uncle who is an electrician and an expert mechanic and he is an expert on people. he can also do carpetting, painting and plumbing.

he is very intelligent. he speaks very well.

for his whole life he wanted to be his own boss and he tried all kinds of schemes. he didnt really get that far with anything. he even took business courses.

now i wonder if he worked for somebody if he would have worked his way up like i have an make decent money. he could have done this in 10 years or so instead of wasting 40 years of being unstable.

maybe he was in the wrong location for his skills and personality type, i dont know. i do know that he did excellent work no matter what. it just didnt add up.
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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: Vk3jed to MRO on Sun Nov 03 2019 12:20 pm

having that sucker really has proven to be a great way to weed out the bad people. sometimes someone will just write fuckyou in everything and disconnect.

Cool, what did you have in that?

https://i.imgur.com/nlAS1zb.png

it's more of an asshole filter and i dont even look at the results most of the time.

Haha seems to be effective! :D

a lot of times it's people who want a proxy to do attacks.
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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: Vk3jed to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Nov 03 2019 12:23 pm

I have Warp 3 and 4 images here, but finding an environment that OS/2 will r under AND be able to access my old HDD image has proven difficult. When I a my old HDD image to VirtualBox, the VM wants to boot off it, even if it's th secondary drive and the boot device is set to primary master (the one with t fresh installation of Warp 4 on it). :(

talk to sean dennis about your probs.
he runs micronet.
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On 11-02-19 22:30, HusTler wrote to Vk3jed <=-

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: Vk3jed to HusTler on Sun Nov 03 2019 12:34 pm

Strange thing back in the 90s is everyone I knew who had porn (on VHS) had copies. Where were the originals?

In porn shops or purchased thru mail order, copied and then
distributed.

Yeah but finding someone (other than a shop) who actually had an original copy was a challenge! :D


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On 11-02-19 22:37, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Cool, what did you have in that?

https://i.imgur.com/nlAS1zb.png

Cool, not too over the top. :)

it's more of an asshole filter and i dont even look at the results most of the time.

Haha seems to be effective! :D

a lot of times it's people who want a proxy to do attacks.

Yeah, and mostly script kiddies at that.


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On 11-02-19 22:38, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: Vk3jed to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Nov 03 2019 12:23 pm

I have Warp 3 and 4 images here, but finding an environment that OS/2 will r under AND be able to access my old HDD image has proven difficult. When I a my old HDD image to VirtualBox, the VM wants to boot off it, even if it's th secondary drive and the boot device is set to primary master (the one with t fresh installation of Warp 4 on it). :(

talk to sean dennis about your probs.
he runs micronet.

Thanks, might do that. :)


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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: HusTler to Nightfox on Sat Nov 02 2019 10:24 pm

I'm pretty sure it's illegal to copy ANY copyright material.

Brush up on the "Fair use" provision of the 1974 Copyright Act.

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Brokenmind to Moondog on Sat Nov 02 2019 09:05 pm

I wish transcripts were easily available, because others who had plead guilty had much lower sentences, such as 9 months.

You never know who you may be chatting with. Tech can be used for good and bad..

Is that the reason IRC is so dead? Everyones worried about recorded transciripts and pediphiles?


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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sat Nov 02 2019 10:30 pm

they stay in there long enough and they certainly work hard. they tour the country at strip clubs too. that shit isnt easy. i know 2 of them who travel 52 weeks a year.

Your talking about Porn Stars right? Not Programmers. That shit is really difficult to do. Between making movies and club dates some work 52 days a week 16 hours a day. They get more of my respect then I'll ever give a programmer. But that's just me. '- Just pick one you like and follow them on Instagram or Twitter. :-)



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Re: Reading QWK files under R
By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Nov 02 2019 10:35 pm

now i wonder if he worked for somebody if he would have worked his way up like i have an make decent money. he could have done this in 10 years or so instead of wasting 40 years of being unstable.

My Old man was a plumber. Instability was our way of life. He tried to go into business for himself a few times and failed. Just put us into more hock. He knew his stuff too. He could build anything. Decks, Dormers, Patios you name it. But he would go months without working. Mad life very difficult for all of us.

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Yeah, I've heard about the history of OS/2. Microsoft left the OS/2 project a >ong time ago though.. I'm not sure if they'd care about such "old" code anymor
. IBM had also released multiple versions of OS/2 since Microsoft split off.

But I think that even the last version, Warp 4.52, still had Microsoft code
in it. After all, it had a full functional version of Windows 3.something included. Also, I half-way think that Windows NT still had some IBM code
in it through at least version 4.0.

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HusTler wrote to Brokenmind <=-

You never know who you may be chatting with. Tech can be used for good and bad..

Is that the reason IRC is so dead? Everyones worried about
recorded transciripts and pediphiles?

IRC is not dead. Many tech (especially Linux-related) channels
are still very active. Even the #synchronet channel on
irc.synchro.net is reasonably busy (and helpful).



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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Gamgee to HusTler on Sun Nov 03 2019 10:55 am

HusTler wrote to Brokenmind <=-

You never know who you may be chatting with. Tech can be used for good and bad..

It's kind of strange. On the open internet we all use our real names and share our most intimate details and connections with seemingly the entire planet, yet the bbs world seems so mysterious. I am a lot less afraid of sharing details of my life with anyone in the bbs community compared to the freaks and creeps who lurk around up top.

I don't even know you folks and I love ya. Thanks for keeping this world alive.

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: HusTler to Brokenmind on Sun Nov 03 2019 08:40 am

Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Brokenmind to Moondog on Sat Nov 02 2019 09:05 pm

I wish transcripts were easily available, because others who had ple guilty had much lower sentences, such as 9 months.

You never know who you may be chatting with. Tech can be used for good an bad..

Is that the reason IRC is so dead? Everyones worried about recorded transciripts and pediphiles?

there's certainly a lot of lurkers. i've seen people post passwords and login information and all kinds of stuff. years ago on the synchronet irc server a dude named wxman posted a link to a website with underage girls that were semi nude. it was an accident; he meant to post it to another person privately or on another irc network. he got a ban but he came back.

i have pasted my password before. some programs i use dont cut and paste properly.

i have some lurkers but i know who they are.
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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: HusTler to MRO on Sun Nov 03 2019 08:54 am

Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sat Nov 02 2019 10:30 pm

they stay in there long enough and they certainly work hard. they tour th country at strip clubs too. that shit isnt easy. i know 2 of them who tra 52 weeks a year.

Your talking about Porn Stars right? Not Programmers. That shit is really difficult to do. Between making movies and club dates some work 52 days a we 16 hours a day. They get more of my respect then I'll ever give a programmer But that's just me. '- Just pick one you like and follow them on Instagram o Twitter. :-)

they certainly go through some shit. imagine dealing with drama and being in physical danger or danger of being robbed when touring.

asia carrera went through hell. her husband died and she was left pregnant.
she got old and unattractive and she hasnt been suitable for porn for many years.

she's very nice and she's a genius. i have talked with her in emails a few times when i reported some of her website issues [non porn site].
she used to do reviews for online magazines.


it's a rought life. the money is fast. i dont think strippers and porn stars hang onto the money. [cocaine]

easy come, easy go, too.
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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: HusTler to Nightfox on Sat Nov 02 2019 10:24 pm

Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: Nightfox to HusTler on Sat Nov 02 2019 03:30 pm

That used software store sold original copies; they didn't sell copied di or anything like that. In a way it seems like it should be similar to selling used music on CD, cassette, record, etc.. I've heard the music industry has tried to stop stores from selling used copies of music becau

I'm pretty sure it's illegal to copy ANY copyright material. Porn wasn't ced. You could only see "Porn Stars" in a Movie Theatre. I don't remember se

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Licensing for software is different than it is for movies and music. Some programs have a single, non-transferable license. The first buyer is the
only person who can own it, out of fear the owner will install it, then sell i t to another person without installing it first, and keep using the application. Due to the internet and programs that "call home," this is less of an issue. In the case of Motorola's radio programming software, for
certain model radios it is only sold to certain agencies, such as government and state level law eneforcement. The concern is they don't want civililians having the ability to reprogram radios to work or listen on reserved frequencies

After 9/11 there was a radio standardization project between federal and
state angencies, and several state police departments sold off their old radios
to fire departments that didn't require compatibility with federal radio systems. If you didn't get a pc with the software fo r the radios installed
on it, you're screwed. If your hard drive died and you don't have a copy, Motorola isn't going to sell you a copy.

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: HusTler to Vk3jed on Sat Nov 02 2019 10:30 pm

Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: Vk3jed to HusTler on Sun Nov 03 2019 12:34 pm

Strange thing back in the 90s is everyone I knew who had porn (on VHS) ha copies. Where were the originals?

In porn shops or purchased thru mail order, copied and then distributed.

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The unoffical route was through someone who recorded copies of everything he rented. Macrovision was either not an issue, or they had pro tools to defeat it.

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Re: Reading QWK files under R
By: MRO to Moondog on Sat Nov 02 2019 10:24 pm

Re: Reading QWK files under R
By: Moondog to Brokenmind on Sat Nov 02 2019 11:08 am

Funny thing is I've seen some of the worst workers do the best work while working for themselves.

how were they bad workers?

I've known some of the most unattentive kids in school that did poorly not because they weren't smart, but because they didn't fit into the regular
school routine. I've also known co-workers who were constantly late for
work, didn't seem to care about deadlines, or had no passion or concern about keeping their job. In both cases these individuals were better off finding whatever personally could drive them to success. The dudes that started lawn mowing businesses because they couldn't sit still in an office or work on a line general expanded their business to landscaping or construction. When their job became personal and under their control, they took it seriously.

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HusTler wrote to Brokenmind <=-

Is that the reason IRC is so dead? Everyones worried about recorded transciripts and pediphiles?

Have you ever tried Track & Field? I think you'd be a natural in the long jump.


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Re: Reading QWK files under R
By: Moondog to MRO on Sun Nov 03 2019 08:23 am

I've known some of the most unattentive kids in school that did poorly not because they weren't smart, but because they didn't fit into the regular school routine. I've also known co-workers who were constantly late for work, didn't seem to care about deadlines, or had no passion or concern abou keeping their job. In both cases these individuals were better off finding

i certainly think these installers for home depot are people that have drug issues and personality disorders.

i had one guy who did my water heater fuck things up so bad i had to pay a real plumber to redo the pipes and the connections to the water heater.
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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: poindexter FORTRAN to HusTler on Sun Nov 03 2019 08:44 am

HusTler wrote to Brokenmind <=-

Is that the reason IRC is so dead? Everyones worried about recorded transciripts and pediphiles?

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: HusTler to Nightfox on Sat Nov 02 2019 10:24 pm

Movie Theatre. I don't remember seeing any software and computer stores so I can't tell you how progammers earned a living. I thought they worked for banks or something.

You've never seen any software or computer stores? I'm surprised. There have been (and still are) a lot of computer stores over the years, and there also used to be some stores specializing in computer software - A popular one was Egghead Software, which was a chain of software stores in the US. Computer and software-specific stores probably aren't as common as they used to be, but they're still around. There are a few mom & pop computer parts stores in my area, and there's also a chain of computer parts stores in the US that seems to be fairly popular, called Micro Center. There are no Micro Center locations in my area, but I've heard about them and they seem to be really good. Newegg.com is a well-known online computer parts store.

Nightfox

Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Gamgee to HusTler on Sun Nov 03 2019 10:55 am

IRC is not dead. Many tech (especially Linux-related) channels
are still very active. Even the #synchronet channel on
irc.synchro.net is reasonably busy (and helpful).

I know support stuff is available. I was thinking general chat. Do you know any BBS discussion chat channels? I guess meeting chicks is out of the question being everyone in IRC is a pediphile.


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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: MRO to HusTler on Sun Nov 03 2019 12:06 pm

they certainly go through some shit. imagine dealing with drama and being in physical danger or danger of being robbed when touring.
asia carrera went through hell. her husband died and she was left pregnant.

she's very nice and she's a genius. i have talked with her in emails a few

Asia Carrera??? She's my Number ONE Porn Star! That' crazy that you mentioned her. Her and Ginger Lynn. Both are stunning hard working girls. Both changed the industry forever. It's sad they didn't get the money they should have. Asia has a Twitter page now. She still stays in touch with her fans.

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Re: Reading QWK files under R
By: MRO to Moondog on Sun Nov 03 2019 12:57 pm

regular school routine. I've also known co-workers who were constantly late for work, didn't seem to care about deadlines, or had no passion or

Most folks have a passion for keeping their housing. They lose it when someone else is paying for it.

i certainly think these installers for home depot are people that have drug issues and personality disorders.

i had one guy who did my water heater fuck things up so bad i had to pay a real plumber to redo the pipes and the connections to the water heater.

This guys are just sub-contractors for Home-Depot. They get a flat rate (Cheap) for an installation. Home Depot makes the money on the fixture, Water Heater or whatever they install. My Ol man tried doing that. They paid him 75 bucks to install a bathroom sink and toliet.

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HusTler wrote to Gamgee <=-

IRC is not dead. Many tech (especially Linux-related) channels
are still very active. Even the #synchronet channel on
irc.synchro.net is reasonably busy (and helpful).

I know support stuff is available. I was thinking general chat.
Do you know any BBS discussion chat channels?

Other than the above-mentioned one, I don't see many out there.

I guess meeting chicks is out of the question being everyone
in IRC is a pediphile.

That's a pretty dumb (and untrue) thing to say. Come on man. You
really don't do yourself any favors by saying garbage like that.


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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: HusTler to MRO on Sun Nov 03 2019 04:44 pm

Asia Carrera??? She's my Number ONE Porn Star! That' crazy that you mentio her. Her and Ginger Lynn. Both are stunning hard working girls. Both changed the industry forever. It's sad they didn't get the money they should have. A has a Twitter page now. She still stays in touch with her fans.

yeah she looks like a 60yr old asian woman now.
she's not so stunning anymore.
ginger lynn too. i didnt know she was from rockford illinois. that place
is a craphole.
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Re: Reading QWK files under R
By: HusTler to MRO on Sun Nov 03 2019 05:00 pm

i had one guy who did my water heater fuck things up so bad i had to pay real plumber to redo the pipes and the connections to the water heater.

This guys are just sub-contractors for Home-Depot. They get a flat rate (Cheap) for an installation. Home Depot makes the money on the fixture, Wate Heater or whatever they install. My Ol man tried doing that. They paid him 7 bucks to install a bathroom sink and toliet.

in my area home depot uses a 3rd party company.
this guy told us we bought the wrong water heater [we didnt] so we used
the one they provided [which they probably had sitting around and was much cheaper].
we still paid a lot.

then we paid another 800 for installation.
so it was about 1600 and dude left my house at 10:30pm with a pipe leaking.
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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: HusTler to Brokenmind on Sun Nov 03 2019 08:40 am

Is that the reason IRC is so dead? Everyones worried about recorded transciripts and pediphiles?

Tech Changes and things come and they go. I still enjoy IRC but i can't speak for everyone..

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: HusTler to MRO on Sun Nov 03 2019 08:54 am

Your talking about Porn Stars right? Not Programmers. That shit is really difficult to do. Between making movies and club dates some work 52 days a week 16 hours a day. They get more of my respect then I'll ever give a programmer. But that's just me.

Not sure if I should take offense to that. How are you liking that spell check feature I added to SlyEdit not too long ago? Not sure if I should take any of your future programming requests seriously if you have any. :P

Porn stars more respectable than programmers? mmkay. How about the adage "work smarter, not harder"?

Nightfox

Re: Reading QWK files under R
By: HusTler to MRO on Sun Nov 03 2019 09:05 am

My Old man was a plumber. Instability was our way of life. He tried to go into business for himself a few times and failed. Just put us into more hock. He knew his stuff too. He could build anything. Decks, Dormers, Patios you name it. But he would go months without working. Mad life very difficult for all of us.

My father-in-law and brother-in-law are both plumbers. It sounds like it can be tiring and back-breaking work (carrying water heaters & such) long hours for little pay. My father-in-law is retired now, but my brother-in-law works for the same company, and from what I've heard, it sounded like they were being worked to death and not being paid a whole lot. I've heard they also switched them from salaried to commission, so their income is wholly based on the number of jobs they get now, which can vary up and down.

Nightfox

Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Sir Air Walker to Gamgee on Sun Nov 03 2019 09:40 am

It's kind of strange. On the open internet we all use our real names and share our most intimate details and connections with seemingly the entire planet, yet the bbs world seems so mysterious. I am a lot less afraid of sharing details of my life with anyone in the bbs community compared to the freaks and creeps who lurk around up top.

Keep in mind that a lot of BBSes these days have web interfaces, so the messages we post here can show up online in web searches.

Nightfox

Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: MRO to HusTler on Sun Nov 03 2019 12:01 pm

i have pasted my password before. some programs i use dont cut and paste properly.

After pasting something, it's good to proofread your message before you hit enter/send.. Sometimes it happens though.

Nightfox

Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: Nightfox to HusTler on Sun Nov 03 2019 07:14 pm

Porn stars more respectable than programmers? mmkay. How about the adage "w smarter, not harder"?

are you saying just because one person has a different job than another person, that makes them 'smarter'? that's very arrogant.

you're just jealous because you have a small penis.
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Re: Reading QWK files under R
By: Nightfox to HusTler on Sun Nov 03 2019 07:17 pm

My father-in-law and brother-in-law are both plumbers. It sounds like it ca be tiring and back-breaking work (carrying water heaters & such) long hours little pay. My father-in-law is retired now, but my brother-in-law works fo

water heaters arent that heavy dude.
how is tightening pipes back breaking?

and little pay?
did you ever hire a plumber?
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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Nightfox to MRO on Sun Nov 03 2019 07:20 pm

Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: MRO to HusTler on Sun Nov 03 2019 12:01 pm

i have pasted my password before. some programs i use dont cut and past properly.

After pasting something, it's good to proofread your message before you hit enter/send.. Sometimes it happens though.

i type really fast and i hit enter really fast too.
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On 11-03-19 09:37, Dumas Walker wrote to NIGHTFOX <=-

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Yeah, I've heard about the history of OS/2. Microsoft left the OS/2 project

ong time ago though.. I'm not sure if they'd care about such "old" code anymor

. IBM had also released multiple versions of OS/2 since Microsoft split off.

But I think that even the last version, Warp 4.52, still had Microsoft code in it. After all, it had a full functional version of Windows 3.something included. Also, I half-way think that Windows NT still had some IBM code in it through at least version 4.0.

Yes, there's likely Microsoft code in all OS/2 versions.


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On 11-03-19 08:12, Moondog wrote to HusTler <=-

The unoffical route was through someone who recorded copies of
everything he rented. Macrovision was either not an issue, or they had pro tools to defeat it.

Macrovision is pretty trivial to defeat. All you need is one of those "video stabiliser" devices that were common during the VHS era. These stabilisers worked by regenerating the sync pulses of the composite signal. Because the sync pulses were regenerated, this had the side effect of removing the Macrovision copy protection, which worked by playing with the sync pulses and messing up the AGC on older VHS recorders. Newer recorders (DVD certainly, possibly VHS too) would detect the Macrovision and refuse to record at all. Patch in a video stabiliser and Viola! Recording works flawlessly.

No pro tools needed, just a $50 gadget from the local electronics store. :)


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On 11-03-19 08:44, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to HusTler <=-

@VIA: VERT/REALITY

HusTler wrote to Brokenmind <=-

Is that the reason IRC is so dead? Everyones worried about recorded transciripts and pediphiles?

Have you ever tried Track & Field? I think you'd be a natural in the
long jump.

Or archery? Drawing the long bow. :D


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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Brokenmind to HusTler on Sun Nov 03 2019 04:44 pm

Tech Changes and things come and they go. I still enjoy IRC but i can't speak for everyone..

BrokenMind

Where can I find you?


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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: Nightfox to HusTler on Sun Nov 03 2019 07:14 pm

Not sure if I should take offense to that. How are you liking that spell check feature I added to SlyEdit not too long ago? Not sure if I should take any of your future programming requests seriously if you have any. :P

Porn stars more respectable than programmers? mmkay. How about the adage "work smarter, not harder"?

Well....porstars are better looking anyway ;-)


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Re: Reading QWK files under R
By: Nightfox to HusTler on Sun Nov 03 2019 07:17 pm

My father-in-law and brother-in-law are both plumbers. It sounds like it I've heard they also switched them from salaried to commission, so their income is wholly based on the number of jobs they get now, which can vary up and down.

It's a living. Not sure what you consider little pay. Union Plumbers in NY are up to $50.00 an hour. Non Union must be $28.00 hr I would guess. Working in the elements is the hardest part. It's cold outside in the winter.;-(
What's the hourly rate for programmers?


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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: HusTler to Brokenmind on Mon Nov 04 2019 04:44 am

Where can I find you?

I do hang out a lot of the time not always on synchronets IRC in #synchronet and #tiabbs. But I don't usually have my client open but if you stop by my bbs and leave me a message I can pass my skype name to you.

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Vk3jed wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

Yes, there's likely Microsoft code in all OS/2 versions.

I wonder what the IP ownership looked like. There should be as much IBM developed code in NT/2000 as there is Microsoft code in OS/2.


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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Nov 03 2019 10:09 pm

Porn stars more respectable than programmers? mmkay. How about the
adage "w smarter, not harder"?

are you saying just because one person has a different job than another person, that makes them 'smarter'? that's very arrogant.

No, that's not what I'm saying at all.

Nightfox

Re: Reading QWK files under R
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Nov 03 2019 10:11 pm

My father-in-law and brother-in-law are both plumbers. It sounds like
it ca be tiring and back-breaking work (carrying water heaters & such)
long hours little pay. My father-in-law is retired now, but my
brother-in-law works fo

water heaters arent that heavy dude.
how is tightening pipes back breaking?

and little pay?
did you ever hire a plumber?

Well my brother-in-law complains about being tired a lot.. I'm just going from what I've heard.

Nightfox

Re: Reading QWK files under R
By: HusTler to Nightfox on Mon Nov 04 2019 04:57 am

It's a living. Not sure what you consider little pay. Union Plumbers in NY are up to $50.00 an hour. Non Union must be $28.00 hr I would guess. Working in the elements is the hardest part. It's cold outside in the winter.;-( What's the hourly rate for programmers?

It can vary widely, depending on experience level and location, and company. A more junior software engineer might start around $30/hour, and more experienced developers might be around $60 and often higher. It's common to be salaried as well, often over $100,000/year for an experienced software developer, particularly in a populated area.

In the tech industry, hourly rates are more common for contractors, and salaries are more common for direct employees. Tech companies often use contractors because contractors are actually employees of contracting companies, so the company they're working at doesn't have to give them the benefits they give to their direct employees.

Nightfox

Re: Reading QWK files under R
By: Nightfox to HusTler on Mon Nov 04 2019 09:25 am

Working in the elements is the hardest part. It's cold outside in the winter.;-( What's the hourly rate for programmers?

It can vary widely, depending on experience level and location, and company. A more junior software engineer might start around $30/hour, and more experienced developers might be around $60 and often higher. It's common to

In the tech industry, hourly rates are more common for contractors, and salaries are more common for direct employees. Tech companies often use

So what's the norm for the average programmer? They sign up with a head hunter and get contracted out? How do you put a deadline on a software project? That sounds very stressful to me. How many lines of code per day is expected from a programmer making say $60 an hour. What if you and me work at the same place on the same project. You bang out 200 lines of code a day to my 120 lines. Am I gonna get the axe if I can't put out the same as you?


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Re: Reading QWK files under R
By: HusTler to Nightfox on Mon Nov 04 2019 03:28 pm

It can vary widely, depending on experience level and location, and
company. A more junior software engineer might start around $30/hour,
and more experienced developers might be around $60 and often higher.
It's common to

In the tech industry, hourly rates are more common for contractors,
and
salaries are more common for direct employees. Tech companies often use

So what's the norm for the average programmer? They sign up with a head hunter and get contracted out?

That's common but a software developer can also get hired directly with a company if the company (or team) thinks they'd be a good enough fit to spend all the money on salary & benefits on them.

How do you put a deadline on a software
project? That sounds very stressful to me. How many lines of code per day is expected from a programmer making say $60 an hour. What if you and me work at the same place on the same project. You bang out 200 lines of code a day to my 120 lines. Am I gonna get the axe if I can't put out the same as you?

It's not all about lines of code. People code differently, so 100 lines of code from one person isn't necessarily the same as 100 lines of code from someone else for the same task. Usually it's about results, timely delivery of results, and quality.

It's also not all about cranking out code. It's often good to put some thought into the design / how you want to do things before diving into coding. There's also deciding the priorities of things to work on (which can change), etc..

Nightfox

Re: Reading QWK files under R
By: HusTler to Nightfox on Mon Nov 04 2019 04:57 am

It's a living. Not sure what you consider little pay. Union Plumbers in NY are up to $50.00 an hour. Non Union must be $28.00 hr I would guess. Working the elements is the hardest part. It's cold outside in the winter.;-(
What's the hourly rate for programmers?

also factor in job stability. plumbers dont need to jump jobs frequently.
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Re: Re: OS/2
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Vk3jed on Mon Nov 04 2019 06:18 am

Vk3jed wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

Yes, there's likely Microsoft code in all OS/2 versions.

I wonder what the IP ownership looked like. There should be as much IBM developed code in NT/2000 as there is Microsoft code in OS/2.

it probably looks like a goddamn mess.
like i said, the guy explained some of it in the youtube video.
very convoluted.
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Re: Reading QWK files under R
By: Nightfox to MRO on Mon Nov 04 2019 09:19 am

My father-in-law and brother-in-law are both plumbers. It sounds like
it ca be tiring and back-breaking work (carrying water heaters & such)
long hours little pay. My father-in-law is retired now, but my
brother-in-law works fo

water heaters arent that heavy dude.
how is tightening pipes back breaking?

and little pay?
did you ever hire a plumber?

Well my brother-in-law complains about being tired a lot.. I'm just going f what I've heard.

i'm tired a lot. i was working 80 hr+ work weeks.

i dont think he's tired.
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Re: Reading QWK files under R
By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon Nov 04 2019 04:21 pm

Well my brother-in-law complains about being tired a lot.. I'm just
going f what I've heard.

i'm tired a lot. i was working 80 hr+ work weeks.

i dont think he's tired.

I hear of him working long weeks like that. He doesn't have much free time.

Nightfox

Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Gamgee to HusTler on Sun Nov 03 2019 06:42 pm

HusTler wrote to Gamgee <=-

IRC is not dead. Many tech (especially Linux-related) channels
are still very active. Even the #synchronet channel on
irc.synchro.net is reasonably busy (and helpful).

I know support stuff is available. I was thinking general chat.
Do you know any BBS discussion chat channels?

Other than the above-mentioned one, I don't see many out there.

I guess meeting chicks is out of the question being everyone
in IRC is a pediphile.

That's a pretty dumb (and untrue) thing to say. Come on man. You
really don't do yourself any favors by saying garbage like that.

... All hope abandon, ye who enter messages here.

It's like any other socia media that's no longer in the spotlight. Even when AOL shut down their internal forums and rooms services about 10 years ago, there were still active users, but not enough to warrant keeping the servers running. AOL finally shut down AIM for the same reason. The people keeping channels open are going to be enthusiasts that either like to use a service
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Re: Reading QWK files under R
By: Nightfox to HusTler on Mon Nov 04 2019 01:19 pm

It's also not all about cranking out code. It's often good to put some thought into the design / how you want to do things before diving into coding. There's also deciding the priorities of things to work on (which can change), etc..

Nightfox

Thanks. I was just wondering what the difference is between a $30.00 an Hour Progammer and a $60.00 an hour progammer. Other than the number of years experience. I would imagine there are tests and certifications invloved.

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Re: Reading QWK files under R
By: Nightfox to MRO on Mon Nov 04 2019 04:10 pm

Well my brother-in-law complains about being tired a lot.. I'm just
going f what I've heard.

i'm tired a lot. i was working 80 hr+ work weeks.

i dont think he's tired.

I hear of him working long weeks like that. He doesn't have much free time.

well, i've been a pipe fitter for commercial water treatment systems.
so i was cutting and threading pipe, brazing, welding and i had to think out things on the fly to get them to worth with certain situations.


so skill wise, i am a plumber. experience wise, i know enough to get by, but there are a few things i'd have to look up. overall it's not a real hard job. It's not a job i like and for most things i'd pay someone to do what i know how to do.

i'm not sure what his workload situation is or what his physical situation is. perhaps he needs an assistant to help him move pipe and materials so he can divert his focus onto the real part of the job.
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Re: Reading QWK files under R
By: HusTler to Nightfox on Mon Nov 04 2019 07:00 pm

It's also not all about cranking out code. It's often good to put
some thought into the design / how you want to do things before diving
into coding. There's also deciding the priorities of things to work
on (which can change), etc..

Thanks. I was just wondering what the difference is between a $30.00 an Hour Progammer and a $60.00 an hour progammer. Other than the number of years experience. I would imagine there are tests and certifications invloved.

It's often just about experience, and location (i.e., in a big market like Silicon Valley, Seattle, or New York, etc., someone would likely earn more due to cost of living). You can get into programming with a college degree (associate's or bachelor's) or through a software "boot camp", which have become popular lately - They usually have fewer classes than a traditional college and mainly focus just on programming to get students through more quickly than a traditional college program.

Sometimes there are certifications you can get, such as a Java certification, but I'm not sure how valuable those are in addition to the usual software education.

Nightfox

Re: Reading QWK files under R
By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon Nov 04 2019 07:56 pm

i'm not sure what his workload situation is or what his physical situation is. perhaps he needs an assistant to help him move pipe and materials so he can divert his focus onto the real part of the job.

From what I've heard, it sounds like the company he works for is under-staffed, so he's fairly busy with a lot of jobs.

Nightfox

On 11-04-19 06:18, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

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Vk3jed wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

Yes, there's likely Microsoft code in all OS/2 versions.

I wonder what the IP ownership looked like. There should be as much IBM developed code in NT/2000 as there is Microsoft code in OS/2.

I'm not so sure nowadays, but certainly in the earlier days of Windows NT there would have been.


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HusTler wrote to Nightfox <=-

Thanks. I was just wondering what the difference is between a $30.00
an Hour Progammer and a $60.00 an hour progammer. Other than the number
of years experience. I would imagine there are tests and certifications invloved.

I would think it's like the difference between the guy who changes your oil and the guy who rebuilds your engine.


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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: Brokenmind to Vk3jed on Wed Oct 30 2019 03:37 pm

I have a ton of Elite Files for Old School BBS related programs. BBS Software , Utils , doors, and cracks ,patches ,serials for them. I also carry all ready fully registerd BBS Software as well...

Do you have a copy of BB/ST v2.xx for the Atari ST? It's my grail program, been looking for it for a log time.

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under R
By: poindexter FORTRAN to HusTler on Tue Nov 05 2019 05:59 am

Thanks. I was just wondering what the difference is between a $30.00 an Hour Progammer and a $60.00 an hour progammer. Other than the number

I would think it's like the difference between the guy who changes your oil and the guy who rebuilds your engine.

Same guy in my world ;-). How many languages can the $30.00 guy program in? Can the $60.00 an hour programmer do it all like my mechanic can?


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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under R
By: HusTler to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Nov 05 2019 10:29 am

Same guy in my world ;-). How many languages can the $30.00 guy program in? Can the $60.00 an hour programmer do it all like my mechanic can?

One thing I think is interesting is that if you're a direct employee of a company, a salary is a lot more common than an hourly rate in the software industry. So someone might earn $120,000/year regardless of if they work 40 hours one week or put in some extra time and work 60 hours one week. Tech companies often make use of contractors though, through 3rd-party contracting companies, and contractors get an hourly rate. Contractors are often used because contractors work for a different company, so the company making use of them doesn't have to give them all the benefits they give their own employees. And health insurance and other things through contracting companies isn't always as good as what you might get by working as an actual employee of the company.

Nightfox

Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Nightfox to Sir Air Walker on Sun Nov 03 2019 07:19 pm

Keep in mind that a lot of BBSes these days have web interfaces, so the messages we post here can show up online in web searches.

Nightfox

Yeah I am aware of the web interface of certain boards. It's more hurtful than helpful IMO. I log into to BBSes to get away from the web, and yet like you said this is searchable by anyone. It is what it is though.. We're all going to be eatin alive by those AI monsters!


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Re: Reading QWK files under R
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Nov 03 2019 10:11 pm

water heaters arent that heavy dude.

I guess depending on a persons size and physical limitations a water heater can be easy to handle, or a royal PITA. I don't have all the facts on this case so I can't know how to properly respond.

We can all relate on one aspect though: If the water heater teeter totters after install, slap the shit out of your installer. ;)

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Nov 03 2019 10:12 pm

After pasting something, it's good to proofread your message before you hit enter/send.. Sometimes it happens though.

i type really fast and i hit enter really fast too.

Haha. I mean we spend most the day typing on devices that basically know what we're going to type before we do. And then we login to the past and completely have a come apart trying to remember how to do this typing thing for ourselves =)))

I had to hit the back button a few dozen times just writing this. LOL


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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Vk3jed to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Nov 04 2019 05:55 pm

Have you ever tried Track & Field? I think you'd be a natural in the long jump.

Or archery? Drawing the long bow. :D

Mmmmmm that tension is great until you smack yourself in the face!


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Re: Reading QWK files under R
By: HusTler to Nightfox on Mon Nov 04 2019 07:00 pm

Re: Reading QWK files under R
By: Nightfox to HusTler on Mon Nov 04 2019 01:19 pm

It's also not all about cranking out code. It's often good to put some thought into the design / how you want to do things before diving into coding. There's also deciding the priorities of things to work on (which can change), etc..

Nightfox

Thanks. I was just wondering what the difference is between a $30.00 an Hou

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It can also be determined by the industry they support. QA testing sounds important, however they are some of the lowest paid developers. I would imagine anyone who deals with enterprise resource apps such as SAP are pretty valuable.

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Sir Air Walker to Vk3jed on Tue Nov 05 2019 02:59 pm

Mmmmmm that tension is great until you smack yourself in the face!

I've never slapped myself in the face, but have gotten a burn on my bow arm from the string. Ouch!

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On 11-05-19 14:59, Sir Air Walker wrote to Vk3jed <=-

@VIA: VERT
Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Vk3jed to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Nov 04 2019 05:55 pm

Have you ever tried Track & Field? I think you'd be a natural in the long jump.

Or archery? Drawing the long bow. :D

Mmmmmm that tension is great until you smack yourself in the face!

Highly strung? :D


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poindexter FORTRAN wrote to HusTler <=-

Thanks. I was just wondering what the difference is between a $30.00
an Hour Progammer and a $60.00 an hour progammer. Other than the number
of years experience. I would imagine there are tests and certifications invloved.

I would think it's like the difference between the guy who
changes your oil and the guy who rebuilds your engine.

Yep, or like the difference between the waiter who brings you your
dinner and the master chef who cooks it. Both work in the "food
service" industry.


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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under R
By: poindexter FORTRAN to HusTler on Tue Nov 05 2019 05:59 am

HusTler wrote to Nightfox <=-

Thanks. I was just wondering what the difference is between a $30.00 an Hour Progammer and a $60.00 an hour progammer. Other than the number of years experience. I would imagine there are tests and certifications invloved.

I would think it's like the difference between the guy who changes your oil and the guy who rebuilds your engine.

you can think that but you mgiht be wrong.
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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Sir Air Walker to Nightfox on Tue Nov 05 2019 02:50 pm

like you said this is searchable by anyone. It is what it is though.. We're all going to be eatin alive by those AI monsters!

Speaking of AI has anyone heard of the "Social Credit Sytem" in China. It's basically a credit card that uses your face. Computers collect data on you to give you credit and pay for stuff with your smile. Holy Cow. And their OK with that!

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Sir Air Walker to Nightfox on Tue Nov 05 2019 02:50 pm

Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Nightfox to Sir Air Walker on Sun Nov 03 2019 07:19 pm

Keep in mind that a lot of BBSes these days have web interfaces, so the messages we post here can show up online in web searches.

Nightfox

Yeah I am aware of the web interface of certain boards. It's more hurtful th helpful IMO. I log into to BBSes to get away from the web, and yet like you said this is searchable by anyone. It is what it is though.. We're all going

we can turn off guest access and prevent that. but still, anything you say here is repeated like 100x in google's cache of the synchronet web interfaces with guest access.
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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: HusTler to Sir Air Walker on Tue Nov 05 2019 09:33 pm

Speaking of AI has anyone heard of the "Social Credit Sytem" in China. It' basically a credit card that uses your face. Computers collect data on you t give you credit and pay for stuff with your smile. Holy Cow. And their OK w that!

i heard that in china they prefer to use cash for most purposes, so maybe this system is something that is a prototype.
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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: MRO to HusTler on Tue Nov 05 2019 08:54 pm

Speaking of AI has anyone heard of the "Social Credit Sytem" in China.
It' basically a credit card that uses your face. Computers collect

i heard that in china they prefer to use cash for most purposes, so maybe this system is something that is a prototype.
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Yea it is.. I saw this Documentary on PBS about AI and how it's going to change the world. It seems the Chinese people welcome this type of intrusive data sharing. It's driving their economy. They also claim the only way to bring down highway fatalities is to mandate driverless cars. I don't want to live in a world like that yet alone use this shit. But that's just me I guess.

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: HusTler to Sir Air Walker on Tue Nov 05 2019 09:33 pm

Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Sir Air Walker to Nightfox on Tue Nov 05 2019 02:50 pm
Speaking of AI has anyone heard of the "Social Credit Sytem" in China. It's basically a credit card that uses your face. Computers collect data on you to give you credit and pay for stuff with your smile. Holy Cow. And their OK with that

We have cards that you just tap the reader and *presto* it charges your account. There's online credit approval and no one sees your face. Facial recogition software these days is very accurate. I would say this is better, because there is no card to steal and it is much harder to steal a face.

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Grease to HusTler on Wed Nov 06 2019 08:41 am

Speaking of AI has anyone heard of the "Social Credit Sytem" in China.

We have cards that you just tap the reader and *presto* it charges your account. There's online credit approval and no one sees your face. Facial recogition software these days is very accurate. I would say this is better, because there is no card to steal and it is much harder to steal a face.

I dunno. I'm already paranoid about my identity getting stolen. It's going to take some getting used to if ever. Hopefully I'll be long gone before my face is associated with my bank account. Am I the only one that see's a problem with this? Where is the jump off point for all this?

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: Android8675 to Brokenmind on Tue Nov 05 2019 07:13 am

Do you have a copy of BB/ST v2.xx for the Atari ST? It's my grail program, been looking for it for a log time.

I'm not sure but I don't think so. The BBS softwares I have are windows based. Your more then welcome to stop by....

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I dunno. I'm already paranoid about my identity getting stolen. It's going to
take some getting used to if ever. Hopefully I'll be long gone before my face >s associated with my bank account. Am I the only one that see's a problem with >his? Where is the jump off point for all this?

I am also skeptical. I would much rather someone steal my card than cut my head off in order to steal what measley funds are in my accounts. :o


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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: HusTler to MRO on Wed Nov 06 2019 08:27 am

i heard that in china they prefer to use cash for most purposes, so may this system is something that is a prototype.
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Yea it is.. I saw this Documentary on PBS about AI and how it's going to change the world. It seems the Chinese people welcome this type of intrusive data sharing. It's driving their economy. They also claim the only way to br down highway fatalities is to mandate driverless cars. I don't want to live

there is a guy on youtube. serpentza
he is a bit of an arrogant dick, part of that is probably because he seems that way because he's south african.

anyways, his older videos about china are pretty good.
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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Grease to HusTler on Wed Nov 06 2019 08:41 am

We have cards that you just tap the reader and *presto* it charges your account. There's online credit approval and no one sees your face. Facial recogition software these days is very accurate. I would say this is better, because there is no card to steal and it is much harder to steal a face.

they can still steal it via an online transaction.
dont worry about it, it's all insured anyways.
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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: MRO to HusTler on Tue Nov 05 2019 08:54 pm

Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: HusTler to Sir Air Walker on Tue Nov 05 2019 09:33 pm

Speaking of AI has anyone heard of the "Social Credit Sytem" in China. basically a credit card that uses your face. Computers collect data on yo give you credit and pay for stuff with your smile. Holy Cow. And their O that!

i heard that in china they prefer to use cash for most purposes, so maybe t system is something that is a prototype.

In India their higher denomination bills are being phased out to make it more difficult to move large sums of paper money around. I can see this happen in the US. If the $100 bill was phased out, paying cash for a vehicle would be more of a hassle paying with 50's and 20's.I think the government and major corporations would like to see everything go digital so there will be a
digital record of every transaction. Not just for legal reasons, but also
for tracking buying habits.

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: HusTler to MRO on Wed Nov 06 2019 08:27 am

Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: MRO to HusTler on Tue Nov 05 2019 08:54 pm

Speaking of AI has anyone heard of the "Social Credit Sytem" in China.
It' basically a credit card that uses your face. Computers collect

i heard that in china they prefer to use cash for most purposes, so may this system is something that is a prototype.
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Yea it is.. I saw this Documentary on PBS about AI and how it's going to ch
is to mandate driverless cars. I don't want to live in a world like that ye

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Although it may never happen in our life, the possibility of a huge solar
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enough to not want to trust in totally autonomous systems.

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Grease to HusTler on Wed Nov 06 2019 08:41 am

Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: HusTler to Sir Air Walker on Tue Nov 05 2019 09:33 pm

Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Sir Air Walker to Nightfox on Tue Nov 05 2019 02:50 pm
Speaking of AI has anyone heard of the "Social Credit Sytem" in China. It's basically a credit card that uses your face. Computers collect data you to give you credit and pay for stuff with your smile. Holy Cow. And their OK with that

We have cards that you just tap the reader and *presto* it charges your acco al and it is much harder to steal a face.

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If banking devices can detect your face, the ability to be incognito in any place that has cameras will no longer exist.

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: HusTler to Grease on Wed Nov 06 2019 04:26 pm

Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Grease to HusTler on Wed Nov 06 2019 08:41 am

my face is associated with my bank account. Am I the only one that see's a problem with this? Where is the jump off point for all this?

It's still online purchases and card swipers that I still worry about.

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: MRO to Grease on Wed Nov 06 2019 11:21 pm

they can still steal it via an online transaction.
dont worry about it, it's all insured anyways.

I mentioned that in a relpy. But an in-person transaction is now very difficult. I think nowdays, people are gonna find ways to steal. It just keeps the honest people honest.

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Moondog to Grease on Thu Nov 07 2019 12:42 am

Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Grease to HusTler on Wed Nov 06 2019 08:41 am

If banking devices can detect your face, the ability to be incognito in any place that has cameras will no longer exist.

We're already there. You can't walk anywhere's basically with being on a camera at some point. You can even log online and watch.

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Moondog to Grease on Thu Nov 07 2019 12:42 am

Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Grease to HusTler on Wed Nov 06 2019 08:41 am

If banking devices can detect your face, the ability to be incognito in any place that has cameras will no longer exist.

We're already there. You can't walk anywhere's basically with being on a camera at some point. You can even log online and watch.

Grease

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Moondog to Mro on Thu Nov 07 2019 12:33 am

In India their higher denomination bills are being phased out to make it more difficult to move large sums of paper money around. I can see this happen in the US. If the $100 bill was phased out, paying cash for a vehicle would be more of a hassle paying with 50's and 20's.I think the government and major corporations would like to see everything go digital so there will be a digital record of every transaction. Not just for legal reasons, but also for tracking buying habits.

If someone wants to buy a car with paper cash bills, I don't see why that would be a big problem as long as the money was obtained legally. It would be more common to pay with a check or something, but cash is "legal tender for all debts private and public". I'd think the government would be doing a disservice by phasing out $100 bills.

Sometimes I've thought it would be nice to have $1000 bills..

Nightfox

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Sometimes I've thought it would be nice to have $1000 bills..

They used to exist. Taken out of circulation in the 1960's I
believe. I'm sure there are some still around, and likely worth
more than their face value.



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MRO wrote to HusTler <=-

Speaking of AI has anyone heard of the "Social Credit Sytem" in China. It' basically a credit card that uses your face. Computers collect data on you t give you credit and pay for stuff with your smile. Holy Cow. And their OK w that!

i heard that in china they prefer to use cash for most purposes, so
maybe this system is something that is a prototype.

There's a guy who writes for 2600 called "The Prophet" who's written a
column called "The Telecom Informer" for years. He works for a telco and has traveled around the world on projects.

He talked about China a few years back, and made it sound like most of the economy was run on burner 2g feature phones with sms payments.
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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Fri Nov 08 2019 07:41 am

They used to exist. Taken out of circulation in the 1960's I
believe. I'm sure there are some still around, and likely worth
more than their face value.

They'd probably get you a visit from the DEA. $1000 bills (and $500 bills) were taken out of circulation to ostensibly hamper drug sales, and also to make it more difficult to get capital out of the country.

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Moondog to Mro on Thu Nov 07 2019 12:33 am

i heard that in china they prefer to use cash for most purposes, so mayb system is something that is a prototype.

In India their higher denomination bills are being phased out to make it mor difficult to move large sums of paper money around. I can see this happen i the US. If the $100 bill was phased out, paying cash for a vehicle would be more of a hassle paying with 50's and 20's.I think the government and major

yeah but i've seen cash deals just for the purpose of hiding it from the govt. they use 20s.
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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Moondog to Grease on Thu Nov 07 2019 12:42 am

If banking devices can detect your face, the ability to be incognito in any place that has cameras will no longer exist.

right now they are making a database of faces.
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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: poindexter FORTRAN to MRO on Wed Nov 06 2019 06:40 am

There's a guy who writes for 2600 called "The Prophet" who's written a column called "The Telecom Informer" for years. He works for a telco and has traveled around the world on projects.

He talked about China a few years back, and made it sound like most of the economy was run on burner 2g feature phones with sms payments.
... Where is the center of the maze?

i watch a lot of videos about china and i've never heard of that.
it's one of my hobbies.

i wouldnt trust 2600 staff nowadays. i think they're all posers.
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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Nightfox to Moondog on Thu Nov 07 2019 07:57 pm

Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Moondog to Mro on Thu Nov 07 2019 12:33 am

In India their higher denomination bills are being phased out to make i more difficult to move large sums of paper money around. I can see this happen in the US. If the $100 bill was phased out, paying cash for a vehicle would be more of a hassle paying with 50's and 20's.I think the government and major corporations would like to see everything go digit so there will be a digital record of every transaction. Not just for le reasons, but also for tracking buying habits.

If someone wants to buy a car with paper cash bills, I don't see why that wo lic". I'd think the government would be doing a disservice by phasing out $

Sometimes I've thought it would be nice to have $1000 bills..

Nightfox

The point is an oppressive government (and big business) would like to track every purchase you made and who and where you bought it from.

Historically cash was king because there wasn't a need to bring in a third party to process a transaction, and you knew that transaction was final with cash in hand. The other nice thing about cash was the bargaining power a person has when they can offer a bit less than what you ask for because they can expedite a sale faster because they don't have to rely on a check that
may not be good.

That's where buying a used car, boat, etc with cash comes in handy. Simple transaction, plus a seller might sell for less if offered cash.

Technology is making face to face transaction simpler, however there's times
I can see how a simple transaction or petty cash purchase isn't worth the hassle of going through a third party money handler.

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Nov 08 2019 03:56 pm

Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: poindexter FORTRAN to MRO on Wed Nov 06 2019 06:40 am

There's a guy who writes for 2600 called "The Prophet" who's written a column called "The Telecom Informer" for years. He works for a telco and traveled around the world on projects.

He talked about China a few years back, and made it sound like most of th economy was run on burner 2g feature phones with sms payments.
... Where is the center of the maze?

i watch a lot of videos about china and i've never heard of that.
it's one of my hobbies.

i wouldnt trust 2600 staff nowadays. i think they're all posers.

I saw a youtube video the other where the reporter in the Shenzen region was able to sign up with a paypal style service and all the buyer had to do was scan a qrf code from the seller, then type in the amount to transfer. This system was moving to facial recognition to replace the need to have a device that creates a qrf code. Imagine if you dropped your phone and cracked the display, and the neighbor wants to pay you for watching their house while
they were on vacation. You wouldn't be able to display a qrf code from your screen, however they could scan your face and make the transaction.

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Sat Nov 09 2019 05:55 pm

The point is an oppressive government (and big business) would like to track every purchase you made and who and where you bought it from.

if you buy something online at walmart and have an account, it tracks every single purchase you made with the card, no matter if you are in the store or not.
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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: MRO to Moondog on Sat Nov 09 2019 07:39 pm

Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Sat Nov 09 2019 05:55 pm

The point is an oppressive government (and big business) would like to tr every purchase you made and who and where you bought it from.

if you buy something online at walmart and have an account, it tracks every single purchase you made with the card, no matter if you are in the store or not.

You're paying through a third party service (credit or debit card) so yes,
your transaction will be tracked by both the store and the bank.

I'm referring to face to face sales, and small business sales where services are provided, but not necessarily need to be reported.

If I buy a C64 or other used itemon Craigslist and pay cash, there is no record
of the purchase except between the seller and customer, even with a receipt. Same applies if I pay the neighbor's kid to rake the leaves, or pay a friend who is an electrician to help put lights in my garage.

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Moondog to MRO on Sun Nov 10 2019 10:04 am

if you buy something online at walmart and have an account, it tracks eve single purchase you made with the card, no matter if you are in the store not.

You're paying through a third party service (credit or debit card) so yes, your transaction will be tracked by both the store and the bank.

no, you dont understand. wallmart is recording all the shit you buy.
you can look up your purchase history.
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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: MRO to Moondog on Sun Nov 10 2019 01:48 pm

no, you dont understand. wallmart is recording all the shit you buy.
you can look up your purchase history.

It's not just Wal Mart. Amazon and other stores record your purchase history too.

Nightfox

Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Nightfox to MRO on Sun Nov 10 2019 05:22 pm

It's not just Wal Mart. Amazon and other stores record your purchase history too.

All my purchases since 2001 are logged mostly. Fun.

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Nightfox to MRO on Sun Nov 10 2019 05:22 pm

Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: MRO to Moondog on Sun Nov 10 2019 01:48 pm

no, you dont understand. wallmart is recording all the shit you buy. you can look up your purchase history.

It's not just Wal Mart. Amazon and other stores record your purchase histor too.

okay read carefully:

once walmart records your credit card number, it then tracks everything you buy at the register. every pack of gum, or loaf of bread, etc.

i'm not taking about a list of online purchases.
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