I had a friend ask me a question about porting his C++ programs for a Mac. I've tried his Linux ports, and they run well.
Quest:
Is there a difference in programming for the PowerPC, Intel types from the standard Apples?
How about the different Mac OS versions?
I had a friend ask me a question about porting his C++ programs for a Mac. I've tried his Linux ports, and they run well.
Quest:
Is there a difference in programming for the PowerPC, Intel types from the standard Apples?
How about the different Mac OS versions?
As for writing for Mac, it would be different. If I remember, Mac now uses Intel processors with a heavily modded UNIX environment.
Apps written for
classic Mac should run on the new architecture so long as they've included backware support (probably emulation), which I'm sure they've done. However I doubt they would compile unless Apple has special tools available.
Mac's kernel (I think it's called Darwin?) is so heavily customized for the Mac's specific chipsets and user experience, and they have many proprietary libraries and tools in the OS.
Re: Mac programming
By: Dreamer to Dan Giese on Sat Jan 08 2011 09:44:00
As for writing for Mac, it would be different. If I remember, Mac now us Intel processors with a heavily modded UNIX environment.
From what I understand, Darwin (which OS X is basd on) is a variant of BSD UNIX, and as such, it's at least very close to BSD, which is a fairly widely-accepted standard UNIX distribution.
Apps written for
classic Mac should run on the new architecture so long as they've include backware support (probably emulation), which I'm sure they've done. Howe I doubt they would compile unless Apple has special tools available.
I believe Carbon was a library that Apple released to help ease the transiti from classic Mac to OS X. Apps written with the Carbon library could easily compiled and run for both classic Mac OS and OS X. I'm not sure if Apple is still supporting the Carbon library in modern versions of OS X though.
Mac's kernel (I think it's called Darwin?) is so heavily customized for t Mac's specific chipsets and user experience, and they have many proprieta libraries and tools in the OS.
I've seen a version of Darwin that runs on Intel machines. I don't think Ap owns Darwin; I believe Darwin is in the public domain. OS X is based on Darwin, but I think the major difference between OS X and plain Darwin is th OS X adds its own GUI, specialized software libraries, and directory structu It seems to me that OS X, in a way, is an alternative to the XFree windowing system.
Nightfox
Darwin is for intel chips.
Macs run on intel chips now, since the 10.X OSX, I think.
Re: Mac programming
By: Corey to Nightfox on Sat Jan 22 2011 09:18:08
Darwin is for intel chips.
Macs run on intel chips now, since the 10.X OSX, I think.
Since Darwin is based on BSD UNIX, I imagine it can be compiled and used for virtually any CPU, not just Intel. Darwin has always been the basis for OS even when Apple was using PowerPC CPUs.
Since Darwin is based on BSD UNIX, I imagine it can be compiled and used for virtually any CPU, not just Intel. Darwin has always been the basis for OS even when Apple was using PowerPC CPUs.
If it helps anyone's story.. I have successfully installed OSX 10.4/10.5 on AMD machine in the past. I got QE/CI working as well as whatever else I had manually do to get to work. As soon as everything worked, I deleted it and installed something else, because I didn't like it. I just wanted to do it because I could. :)
AMD machines were iffy, and not very supported. But for awhile there, there were people making patched OSX OSes adding support for AMD and such.
I've seen a version of Darwin that runs on Intel machines. I don't think Apple
owns Darwin; I believe Darwin is in the public domain. OS X is based on Darwin, but I think the major difference between OS X and plain Darwin is that
OS X adds its own GUI, specialized software libraries, and directory structure.
It seems to me that OS X, in a way, is an alternative to the XFree windowing system.
From what I understand, OS X and the apps that come with it were written in Objective-C; thus, the software development tools that Apple ships for OS X favor Objective-C as the standard supported language on OS X. C++ is supported
too though.
AMD machines were iffy, and not very supported. But for awhile there, there were people making patched OSX OSes adding support for AMD and such. Probably wasn't all that legal, either..
Hackintoshes are cool, but since Apple sewed Psystar, commercial interests have pretty much stopped. No commercial support, but still plenty of Homebrew. My current laptop is a mac. nice hardware, with the ssd it boots to a working desktop in under 10 seconds (closer to 8)
That an I'd definitely not spend that kind of money on an Apple. For that kind
of money, you could have a PC two to three times better. Just another flavor of
kool-aid to get people to drink, is all. Heh.
Aqua (the gui) is baset on NextStep, which apple baught, they do own darwin, though that part is open source... there's been some effort to port he aqua/next style gui libraries for say linux, but hasn't seen much traction.
native UI bindings for mac, and gtk is supported on mac, with X11 support installed...
Hackintoshes are cool, but since Apple sewed Psystar, commercial interests have pretty much stopped. No commercial support, but still plenty of
Homebrew. My current laptop is a mac. nice hardware, with the ssd it boots
No optical drive options with LightScribe that I know of
Not sure on the money point... the mini's are way overpriced, aside from that, it's pretty on par... my macbook pro was about the same price as a del adamo... though there really isn't a direct non-plastic competitor now.
For the mbp, it's fairly rugged, and has excellent cooling that doesn't burn or overheat in an actual lap. lave a typical laptop on a couch or a bed whi running... though there are more practical quick-release systems magsafe isn't bad, though extra chargers are insanely overpriced.
As to desktops, the mac pro is pretty on par with workstation class hardware... it's their consumer products that are more overpriced imho.
I wonder how GTK apps look on OS X.. I've used GTK apps in Windows, and you can tell they're GTK apps because they use the GTK-style folder browser and other UI elements from GTK, which look a bit different than the native Windo UI elements.
I actually can't stand to look at GTK apps. Everything is too boxed up with sharp corners and things that just don't seem to belong. I do like some GTK apps, don't get me wrong, but if I can switch it to use a Qt4 theme, I'd muc rather do that. Oxygen is way easier on the eyes, imo.
For creating an app with a GUI, there's a programming toolkit (native to C++ that I've gotten to like called wxWidgets - One reason I like it is that it allows you to create cross-platform apps with a GUI, so you can compile your code in different OSes with little or no code modification, and it uses the OS's native API for its GUI, so it looks like a native app.
allows you to create cross-platform apps with a GUI, so you can compile y code in different OSes with little or no code modification, and it uses t OS's native API for its GUI, so it looks like a native app.
That's awesome. I wish more applications went about it that way.
Aqua (the gui) is baset on NextStep, which apple baught, they do own darwin, >> though that part is open source... there's been some effort to port he
aqua/next style gui libraries for say linux, but hasn't seen much traction.
Interesting, I didn't know Apple owned Darwin. And it seems kinda funny (or weird) that Apple bought NextStep, since Steve Jobs created the NextStep company..
I'd understand why Apple might not want to port the Aqua/Next GUI libraries to
Linux - then it might be too easy to create a distribution of Linux that looks
too much like OS X. I've seen Gnome themes that are designed to look like OS X, and they come really close, but it's still Gnome and Linux..
native UI bindings for mac, and gtk is supported on mac, with X11 support >> installed...
I wonder how GTK apps look on OS X.. I've used GTK apps in Windows, and you can tell they're GTK apps because they use the GTK-style folder browser and other UI elements from GTK, which look a bit different than the native Windows
UI elements.
Hackintoshes are cool, but since Apple sewed Psystar, commercial interests >> have pretty much stopped. No commercial support, but still plenty of
Recently I heard about a new company that is building Mac-compatible PCs and advertises them as such:
http://www.quocomputer.com
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10251943-37.html
Homebrew. My current laptop is a mac. nice hardware, with the ssd it boots
I like Macs, but the thing that bugs me about them is that there always seems to be something missing that I'd like to see in one of their computers, and even their OS. For instance, they don't make a laptop that has a keyboard with
a distinct numeric keypad. They don't offer Blu-Ray drives in their computers
yet, either. No optical drive options with LightScribe that I know of, either.
Thankfully, Apple finally included an HDMI port in one of their computers (the
most recent Mac Mini) - hopefully they'll start including an HDMI port in their
other computers too.
I guess it's a result of the fact that Apple produces both the hardware and the
OS - your choices are limited to the company's limited selection of offerings.
Not sure on the money point... the mini's are way overpriced, aside from >> that, it's pretty on par... my macbook pro was about the same price as a del >> adamo... though there really isn't a direct non-plastic competitor now.
For the mbp, it's fairly rugged, and has excellent cooling that doesn't burn >> or overheat in an actual lap. lave a typical laptop on a couch or a bed whi >> running... though there are more practical quick-release systems magsafe >> isn't bad, though extra chargers are insanely overpriced.
As to desktops, the mac pro is pretty on par with workstation class
hardware... it's their consumer products that are more overpriced imho.
I'm not totally sure about the laptops and mini stuff, but I've priced out desktops before just to see the difference. When I priced out an i7 with 8gb ram, a 24" monitor, a gtx260, and a 650 watt power supply, it was well under 2k. At the time I don't even think Apple had out the i-series boards, but rather a core2 duo with 3gb ram and 20" monitor was about the same price.
I'll stick with my PCs, and if I ever feel frisky again, I'll just install OSX
on it if I really want to. But, again, when I did it the last time, nothing really stood out to me to switch to it from what I already know and like.
I actually can't stand to look at GTK apps. Everything is too boxed up with >> sharp corners and things that just don't seem to belong. I do like some GTK >> apps, don't get me wrong, but if I can switch it to use a Qt4 theme, I'd muc >> rather do that. Oxygen is way easier on the eyes, imo.
I think GTK looks a little rough around the edges myself.. But I don't mind it
too much. What bothers me more is when an app doesn't have the look & feel of
the OS.
For creating an app with a GUI, there's a programming toolkit (native to C++) that I've gotten to like called wxWidgets - One reason I like it is that it allows you to create cross-platform apps with a GUI, so you can compile your code in different OSes with little or no code modification, and it uses the OS's native API for its GUI, so it looks like a native app.
I've heard some people say they think it's still better to use the OS's native
GUI toolkits because the end result still looks "better" - although to me, an app that uses wxWidgets looks the same as any other native app for the OS.
I'd understand why Apple might not want to port the Aqua/Next GUI librarie Linux - then it might be too easy to create a distribution of Linux that l too much like OS X. I've seen Gnome themes that are designed to look like X, and they come really close, but it's still Gnome and Linux..
Wasn't apple doing the porting, just a bunch of guys trying to make a FLOSS API that's compatible... Don't recall the name of the project though...
Same on OSX... if you're doing .Net/C# and want cross platform, if you are following MVC patterns, it's not too hard to maintain separate views for eac platform (Win, GTK, OSX)
as for BluRay, it's
because Apple doesn't have the DRM sony (studios) requires for bluray licens
Mostly, but you can always plugin a USB keyboard/mouse, and in the pro's you
I think the lack of blu-ray is a crock of sh*t myself.
Yeah, there is a premium no doubt.. but they do put a bit more oomph into th hardware...
I almost always switch my GTK theme (on windows) so that it's at least close to native look/feel... wouldn't know if/how to get more themes, so I could
The only real shortcoming to wxWidgets, is those pieces that don't have cross-platform equivalents simply don't exist in wx... it's least common denominator, so some UI features are much harder to implement.
There's a wx + javascript application set even...
Yeah, there is a premium no doubt.. but they do put a bit more oomph into th hardware... aluminum cases are cool.. I run a PC desktop, only went mac on the laptop as Dell pissed me off, and they now don't seem to have a comparab laptop (formerly Adamo).
as for BluRay, it's
because Apple doesn't have the DRM sony (studios) requires for bluray licens
That doesn't really speak well of Apple, IMO.. It makes me wonder why they don't have the DRM Sony requires, when other computer manufacturers obviously do.
Mostly, but you can always plugin a USB keyboard/mouse, and in the pro's you
That's true.. But I wouldn't want to carry around a separate keyboard with me
with my laptop.
I think the lack of blu-ray is a crock of sh*t myself.
I agree. I don't understand why Apple hasn't provided support for blu-ray yet.
I'm sure there is probably some 3rd-party software you can install on OS X to play blu-ray, and then you'd just have to put a blu-ray drive in the machine, as you said, but I imagine blu-ray drives for Apple laptops are probably hard to come by and hard to install - so in that case, you'd probably be SOL.
The blu-ray thing is just one of the things about Apple computers that frustrates me.. I like OS X, but there's almost always something that puts me
off to the idea of using a Mac as my main machine - usually lack of some feature or configuration option.
Yeah, there is a premium no doubt.. but they do put a bit more oomph into th >> hardware...
Apple isn't the only computer company that puts more oompth into their machines
- You can certainly custom-configure a high-end machine from other manufacturers. I've seen Dell provide a configurator on their web site for when you order one of their laptops, and there is (or at least used to be) Alienware, which made high-end machines for gaming and such.
I almost always switch my GTK theme (on windows) so that it's at least close >> to native look/feel... wouldn't know if/how to get more themes, so I could
Are you refering to GTK apps, or are you using Gnome+XFree in Windows (via Cygwin or something)?
I think it would be pretty cool to have a Windows-native version of the Gnome desktop - basically as a replacement for the Windows shell.
The only real shortcoming to wxWidgets, is those pieces that don't have
cross-platform equivalents simply don't exist in wx... it's least common
denominator, so some UI features are much harder to implement.
I know that's true of some pieces, but I seem to remember reading in the wxWidgets docs that where there is a widget that doesn't exist on all platforms, they try to implement it in wxWidgets so you can still use it.
There's a wx + javascript application set even...
That's interesting.. I wonder how you'd use wxWidgets with JavaScript, or why
you'd want/need to - I suppose you'd want something like that to write stand-alone apps with JavaScript, similar to Perl or Python..
Nightfox wrote:
The only real shortcoming to wxWidgets, is those pieces that don't have >> cross-platform equivalents simply don't exist in wx... it's least common >> denominator, so some UI features are much harder to implement.
I know that's true of some pieces, but I seem to remember reading in the wxWidgets docs that where there is a widget that doesn't exist on all platforms, they try to implement it in wxWidgets so you can still use it.
I'm just saying there's a few short comings, it's a fairly nice toolkit...
There's a wx + javascript application set even...
That's interesting.. I wonder how you'd use wxWidgets with JavaScript, or you'd want/need to - I suppose you'd want something like that to write stand-alone apps with JavaScript, similar to Perl or Python..
exactly, it's along the lines of python/perl/ruby + wx, but with javascript. I've been following a lot of the nodejs stuff with great interest. Though t GLUEscript (wx + javascript) uses spidermonkey's JS engine, it's still prett cool. May even be a decent option for a portable version of the Synchronet operator UI.
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That doesn't really speak well of Apple, IMO.. It makes me wonder why the don't have the DRM Sony requires, when other computer manufacturers obviou do.
Aside from Microsoft, nobody really does... It's the HDCP stuff that's in Windows that allows it... Apple would have to add a bunch of DRM to OSX in order to even do the stuff iirc... Linux doesn't support encrypted blu-ray e
Dunno... Blu-Ray support really isn't high on my own list of priorities thou
Okay, find me a laptop vendor that provides an all-metal case for their laptops, and has the venting so that it isn't blocked/venting on the
I will say SSD on a laptop is a must... my mbp boots in about 8 seconds (to working desktop).
I think it would be pretty cool to have a Windows-native version of the Gn desktop - basically as a replacement for the Windows shell.
GTK, there's a theme switcher when you install a windows GTK+ app, usually.. but the ones that come with kind of all suck, or look alien, and never looke at installing other themes.
cool. May even be a decent option for a portable version of the Synchronet operator UI.
It's not really a high priority for me either, but my point is that Apple doesn't even give you the choice to have a blu-ray drive. I think it would nice if Apple offered more choice of hardware options for their machines.
medium, but I'm guessing once recordable discs and drives drop in proce considerably and the market grows, Apple won't be able to ignore it like the do now.
At least that's what I think of their approach. Not being abble to watch Blu movies on a Mac is another thing entirely.
Why bother with SSD if you're wanting fast bootups? Linux allready hasI will say SSD on a laptop is a must... my mbp boots in about 8 seconds (to working desktop).
I think that's pretty cool.. I have yet to try an SSD, because they're still more expensive. I also seem to remember reading somewhere that SSDs were still quite a bit slower than regular hard drives to be considered a suitable replacement for a regular hard drive, but it sounds like that
isn't true anymore.
You have to understand Apple. It's only one reason I rather not supportIt's not really a high priority for me either, but my point is thatThey just don't care, which means the demand isn't big enough, and even if it was, I don't think they would care either. BluRay still isn't a popular storage medium, but I'm guessing once recordable discs and drives drop in proce considerably and the market grows, Apple won't be able to ignore it like they do now.
Apple doesn't even give you the choice to have a blu-ray drive. I think it would nice if Apple offered more choice of hardware options for their machines.
Why bother with SSD if you're wanting fast bootups? Linux allready has
versions made to instal into a portion of the BIOS EEPROM, such that when
you flip the switch it's nearly instantly into linux. Combining that wit
a RAM Disk, having the portion in EEPROM immediatetly copy the most used
files and setup /var/temp/ to the ram disk, would significantly speed up
the operating system once it's booted.
less. Their iPhones are in a way a lot like their computers. They'd be
great devices if they didn't put so many limits on them. By not giving t
option of using memory cards, once you exceed the capicity of the hard
drive, your only option is to sell your phone and buy one with a bigger
hard drive. No buying a spare battery with this phone either, it takes
a trained technician to be able to change the battery out.
a trained technician to be able to change the battery out. Heck, Apple e
had to go so far as to use Intel CPU's in their computers to be as much
to throw it all away.sible.
The already aren't that expensive, IMO. You can buy a blu-ray burner for le than $100 (see http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168271361 as an example), and recordable blu-ray discs for around $3. And that's for recordable media; if you can buy a blu-ray burner for under $100, I imagine reader would be even less.
I totally agree. The limitations that Apple puts into their devices is one thing I don't like about them.
prices aren't that bad. The fact still remains that BluRay is yet to become popular storage medium for private use.
I don't even own a Mac, but I read that you can record BluRay discs just fin using the USB drives and Toast. Also, Macs seem to be able to play HD-DVD
I don't need more. There's
line I draw at some point when it comes to phones. People seem to want more moreout of their phones, but for me the phone part, some games I can play to pass time while on the train and some simple apps are enough. Plus the camer
I'm actually kind of excited about Xperia Play from Sony Ericsson. I was a f of N-Gage QD. The fact that it was a massive commercial failure made it possible to buy a really decent smartphone for cheap. The QD fixed the issue
Re: Macs and blu-ray
By: Morden to Nightfox on Sun Feb 27 2011 03:56:40
prices aren't that bad. The fact still remains that BluRay is yet to beco popular storage medium for private use.
I don't even own a Mac, but I read that you can record BluRay discs just using the USB drives and Toast. Also, Macs seem to be able to play HD-DVD
Yeah, I suppose an external burner wouldn't be bad. I think it's nice to ha an internal drive though.
Anyway, my point with blu-ray and Macs wasn't for blu-ray itself, just that Apple doesn't seem to give many options for its computers, and it would be n if they did. A numeric keypad in their laptops would be nice, IMO.
I don't use a Mac either, myself, and the lack of choices is one reason why.
Nightfox
I don't use a Mac either, myself, and the lack of choices is one reason why.
That's interesting - I know someone who recently bought a Sony Ericsson Xper X8 and seems to like the phone. It looked like a pretty good phone - I wond how similar/different that one is to the Xperia Play.
The price is a turn off as well, if you ask me. It feels like you have to pa extra, just because it's a Mac. It has become this designer gadget, which
bothers me a lot. Before iPod, no one wanted Macs and now, all of a sudden, they've become this profit hungry, cocky company, selling the "cool" stuff.
That's interesting - I know someone who recently bought a Sony Ericsson X X8 and seems to like the phone. It looked like a pretty good phone - I w how similar/different that one is to the Xperia Play.
Newer Xperia phones have enough processing power to emulate PlayStation, so it's games you're looking for, you'll get enough just through emulation. Fro
As for WiFi, I guess most phones have it by now. Especially the Windows Mobi and Android ones, so that's good. Xperia Play has it, too.
Gaming isn't really what I'm after in a cell phone, but I'm curious how that PlayStation emulation works.. How do you read PlayStation games on the phon Is there a CD-ROM drive made for the phone that you can plug into it? I haven't seen anything like that.
I've seen videos on YouTube showing the first PlayStation being emulated on Xperia phone at near perfect speed. The emulation works just as it does on computers, or so I imagine. All you need is a game image in *.ISO format, yo point the emulator to where it is, and you're set.
So, just like with PSP, when it comes to PSX games, all you need is the game image and the emulator. There's a ton of emulators for Android. MegaDrive, Super Nintendo, NES, you name it. All you need is ROMs.
Morden wrote to Nightfox <=-
The price is a turn off as well, if you ask me. It feels like you have
to pay extra, just because it's a Mac. It has become this designer
gadget, which bothers me a lot. Before iPod, no one wanted Macs and
now, all of a sudden, they've become this profit hungry, cocky company, selling the "cool" stuff. And people buy it.
Re: Macs and blu-ray
By: Morden to Nightfox on Mon Feb 28 2011 01:52:38
The price is a turn off as well, if you ask me. It feels like you have to extra, just because it's a Mac. It has become this designer gadget, which
I feel the same way. I'm not sure exactly what you get for the money, besid just that it's a Mac. And I would consider Apple a partial monopoly - They' the only company that makes computers that can (officially) run OS X - an OS which they also make. And I think that is one reason they charge more for their computers.
Newer Xperia phones have enough processing power to emulate PlayStation, it's games you're looking for, you'll get enough just through emulation.
Gaming isn't really what I'm after in a cell phone, but I'm curious how that PlayStation emulation works.. How do you read PlayStation games on the phon Is there a CD-ROM drive made for the phone that you can plug into it? I haven't seen anything like that.
Back when they were based on the Motorola processors, and probably custom chipset as well as their custom OS, I could see paying a little more.
Now that they're using what amounts to off-the-shelf parts, they're closer t being just a brand.
of the OS. Possibly it's more stable, since they don't have to worry about the vast array of devices, like Windows/Linux.
If that's the case, they could probably do better by dropping the price and promoting that. :P
Gaming isn't really what I'm after in a cell phone, but I'm curious how t PlayStation emulation works.. How do you read PlayStation games on the p Is there a CD-ROM drive made for the phone that you can plug into it? I haven't seen anything like that.
Probably the same way I play NES/Playstation games: download the ROMs :)
I bought a NES-style USB gamepad so I can get my Mario fix. lol
That's cool.. Makes me want to get an Android phone even more. :PI've seen emulators for various game platforms. NES, Sega, etc. are really easy toget roms for via an app on the market. What first sorta turned me on to android phones was the fact that normally you don't have the issues with the iPhone. The Backflip I have by AT&T is unfortiantly one of the few phones with an Android OS that is jailed by AT&T! Otherwise, Google provides complete source code to the operating system, and basically your running linux on your phone. Anything you can do on linux, you can pretty much do on your phone. With that in mind, I learned when I setup my phone, they had all kinds of accounts I could create e-mail with.... Many I didn't see before, so I created an account with them... I setup every account I could, weather I used them or not, just so it'd remember it for me... Let me tell you, checking all those e-mail accounts, updating all those social networks, etc. bogged down my phone big time! I couldn't make phone calls because it was waiting so much.... Now that I removed it, it works better now. But that's something that I believe is also a feature of most androids.... From what I can tell... On the iPhone, you just get this big list of icons to do everything... Equivilent to hitting the little circle at the bottom center of the screen, or pressing the middle button on my phone. I have about 5 desktop screens where I can drag widgets and icons to... I have a widget for "Whats happening" that shows all my social networks events... See what your friends post on facebook, myspace, twitter, bebo, skyrock.... And another for incoming e-mails.... Then a widget I used to put up to tell you the weather... Didn't use it much, may put it back up... I also keep a shortcut to my mom's dialing directory, so I can call her by just touching on the screen. I've yet to see an iPhone have a way of laying out shortcut's and widgets on the screen like that... Theirs is kind of like your allways in a menu with the list of applications.... Granted, from what I read, you can create links to web pages by hitting the + on Safari and saving it to their desktop or whatever.... But just another way that Android kicks iPhone's butt! Android can create a shortcut to any bookmark just as easy...
of one of the coolest platforms ever, NEXTSTEP and this keeps me on the platform (I never did rate the classic MacOS in the least, pile of crap in my opinion).Strange, I considered anything beyond Mac OS 9 a piece of junk! Personally,
Apple fanboys still tend to say that Macs are more stable than PCs, due to the parts Apple puts in their Macs, but I think any PC maker could alsoYup, I used to get a kick out of folks that didn't have a clue about
make good choices for their components to build a stable computer. That's one thing I've enjoyed about building my own PC - Getting to choose all the parts, and being able to make educated decisions to choose quality parts.
It seems to me that unfortunately, PC makers such as Dell, HP, etc. tend to skimp on some of the parts here and there. As an example, I bought an HP
touching on the screen. I've yet to see an iPhone have a way of laying out shortcut's and widgets on the screen like that... Theirs is kind of like you allways in a menu with the list of applications.... Granted, from what I re you can create links to web pages by hitting the + on Safari and saving it t their desktop or whatever.... But just another way that Android kicks iPhon butt! Android can create a shortcut to any bookmark just as easy...
Yup, I used to get a kick out of folks that didn't have a clue about
computers... They'd often claim "I bought a mac because I'm an 'artist', a
the best computers for artist are macs"
I'd say "Or really?" let's see... You look at the graphics cards availabl
to macs... Every one of them is offered for Mac or IBM... Most will work
in either machine as is, without any change, as compared to the remainder
of graphic cards that work only in IBM, so how does this make it better fo
Artist? I guess the lack of options makes it easier on them.... Next, th
claim mac's have the best software, and tout about Adobe Illustrator for t
Mac... O.k. again, available for Windows! As well as Corel Draw, which
PlayStation ROMs would be fairly big in comparison, since they're distribute on CD-ROM. :) You'd have to have a fairly large storage device in your pho to store some PlayStation games. Most smartphones have only around 8GB-64GB storage, I believe, and you wouldn't be able to store that many PlayStation games in that amount of space..
Yup, I used to get a kick out of folks that didn't have a clue about
computers... They'd often claim "I bought a mac because I'm an 'artist', a
the best computers for artist are macs"
I've also heard people say that the Amiga was really good for art and video processing. I heard that at the time, Amiga's computers had very advanced video hardware, and I've heard of a video editing program for the Amiga call Video Toaster (I think), which sounds like Amiga's "killer app".
650+ megs. Also, PSX emulation on PSP can use both regular and compressed images (CSO - compressed ISO), which always saves some space. I don't know i the Android emulator makes use of the compression, but it would be logical f it to do so.
Back in the day, Amiga was a great all-in-one multimedia solution. With PCs had to get your VGA / SVGA card, your SoundBlaster and all that. Sound cards especially the SB clones, were always a bitch to configure, while on Amiga everything just worked.
If you wanted to create things using your computer, Amiga was the weapon of choie, no doubt.
What drove the multimedia was the custom graphics and sound chips; back then most of the processing in DOS & Windows was done in the main cpu, but Amiga was designed from the ground up to do as much processing as possible off-chip.
I had a PC with a VGA card and a Sound Blaster once, and I don't remember th being all that hard to configure. Sure, there were jumpers you had to set, I didn't think that was a big deal.. But I suppose if things just worked (a on the Amiga), that would be nice. I never did use Amigas, except just a couple times, and only briefly to play some games.
Speaking of Amigas, I've heard AmigaOS is still alive and being developed, although I haven't seen any Amiga computers being sold in a long time..
I had a PSP once, and I didn't realize they had that much space to store ima that size.
on the Amiga), that would be nice. I never did use Amigas, except just a couple times, and only briefly to play some games.
Speaking of Amigas, I've heard AmigaOS is still alive and being developed, although I haven't seen any Amiga computers being sold in a long time..
Problems back then arose when you had lots of expansion cards; there were only so many IRQ lines to go around. Occasionally two cards would even have address conflicts, I think. It was a real pain if you had to install more than one new internal card in those days..
where there's more demand for the brand. Interestingly, over here in the US (Florida, I think) there's an upstart company who's designed and trying to sell under the Commodore and Amiga brands systems that look remarkably similar to the Commodore and Amiga computers, utilizing the same form factors, but running with Intel hardware. I think they boot Linux and AmigaOS is emulated.
As for iPhone / iPod Touch controls, they're one of the reasons why I never wanted that kind of device, whereas Xperia Play seems to be a perfect combination of an iPhone and a handheld gaming console.
There are many retro conversions available for the iPhone, but people often complin about unresponsive controls. The on-screen emulation just doesn't cu it in fast paced games like Gunstar Heroes, etc. With Xperia Play's PlayStat style controls, the problem is solved.
Games were another thing that just worked on Amiga. Floppy in, game boots. E as 1-2-3. Not that games on PC didn't work.
As for Amiga computers, check ou
MiniMig, which is a FPGA Amiga 500 re-implementation. Also, NatAmi seems to a very interesting project.
And it seems to me that even for Windows PCs, things that used to be done in hardware are more commonly done in software these days. For instance, sound cards for PCs in the early-mid 90s, did quite a bit in the hardware, but aud chipsets on PC motherboards has commonly been fairly basic and software-base for a long time. Also, many dialup modems started to become more software-based, with the rise of WinModems and such. I've also heard that ethernet interfaces on many PC motherboards often rely on software to do wha they do.
Back in the day, I also saw some PC games where you had to boot from their floppy disk to play them - from what I understand, they did that as a type o copy-protection (the disk was usually in a weird format, so DOS etc. wouldn' be able to read it). I thought it was a little extreme to have to reboot th computer to play a game, and then reboot once you're done. In these days, w multi-tasking OSes, that wouldn't fly..
It makes sense for those smaller devices to push a lot into the drivers. The things they do have such a light footprint, you'd never notice the difference between software and hardware processing.
On the other hand, hundreds of Linux users are at this moment cursing their Windows only hardware as they test Linux for the first time... ;)
The only reason for it was that the game assumed total, complete control of the hardware. The Amiga was a very open system, which is why it had such great games.
If you drop the overhead of layers of the various OS calls and have direct access to the CPU, FPU, MMU, GPU, etc... you could design a game that REALLY flies.
I hadn't realized there were any PC games in the past that ran
directly, but I am surprised no one's bothered trying recently.
Speaking of old gaming, Duke Nukem Forever just popped into my head. It's supposed to be shipping out this year by a new developer. Anyone think something might fall apart on it again? I'm betting it'll actually make it, finally.
Re: Macs and blu-ray
By: Dreamer to Nightfox on Wed Mar 02 2011 18:20:00
The only reason for it was that the game assumed total, complete control the hardware. The Amiga was a very open system, which is why it had such great games.
If you drop the overhead of layers of the various OS calls and have direc access to the CPU, FPU, MMU, GPU, etc... you could design a game that REA flies.
I believe DOS (on PCs) pretty much provided apps to take complete control of the system if they wanted to. DOS did provide a small layer of APIs, but I believe apps still had the option of doing everything directly if they wante to.
I hadn't realized there were any PC games in the past that ran
directly, but I am surprised no one's bothered trying recently.
Back in the day, I seem to remember at least one or two games for the PC tha did that - I think the PC version of Marble Madness was one. These days, I think it's easier and faster (and thus more cost-effective) for companies to develop games using the OS's indirect APIs rather than make games that take direct control of the computer. One advantage provided by an OS like Window is that it provided standard graphics calls (among other things) so that gam developers didn't have to develop their own set of drivers to work with vari different video cards; and then, different game developers might make differ sets of drivers, so a game might or might not work with your particular vide card.
Speaking of old gaming, Duke Nukem Forever just popped into my head. It' supposed to be shipping out this year by a new developer. Anyone think something might fall apart on it again? I'm betting it'll actually make finally.
I heard that their release date is definite now. I've been waiting for Duke Nukem Forever for a long time. Too bad I hardly play games much anymore.. would have enjoyed playing it back when I was still more into PC gaming and more time for it.
Duke Nukem 3D was one of my favorite games back in the day.. I liked playin it multi-player against people, as well as designing my own levels for it - had the easiest level designer program I had seen for any 3D shooter game.
Nightfox
I loved Shadow Warrior. I think it was the last game built in the build engi You want some wang?
Re: Macs and blu-ray
By: Corey to Nightfox on Thu Mar 03 2011 09:51:11
I loved Shadow Warrior. I think it was the last game built in the build e You want some wang?
Shadow Warrior was one of my favorite games too. Was funny.. :)
Nightfox
Shadow Warrior was one of my favorite games too. Was funny.. :)
I bought it and they gave the source code out also.
I hate Watcom C++
Re: Macs and blu-ray
By: Corey to Nightfox on Thu Mar 03 2011 20:01:46
Shadow Warrior was one of my favorite games too. Was funny.. :)
I bought it and they gave the source code out also.
Really? I didn't know they were giving out the source code. That would be interesting to see.
I hate Watcom C++
I recently tried Watcom C++ because I wanted to compile one of my utilities DOS, and it seems like a decent compiler.. It seems to be one of the few compilers (or only compiler) that compiles modern C++ for DOS. I did have t make a couple tweaks to my code to get it to compile for DOS (I originally compiled it for Win32), but the changes were fairly minor.
Nightfox
So true.. I think the reason people still believe Macs are "better for artists" is probably historical - The Mac was one of the first publicly-available computer with a GUI, so apps written for the Mac hadI once fell in love with Macs, and loved it pretty much for the sole reason
that in mind and tended to be more WYSIWIG from the start, back when IBM
I once fell in love with Macs, and loved it pretty much for the sole reas
that very few people had a Mac. Same reason I once loved Linux, back bef
the 1.0.0 kernel was even released.... Back when you had to install it fr
30-40 1.44mb disk ... Back then few people ran Mac software, translated
kiddies didn't waste time writing viruses. The few people who wrote
software found writing software they could sell was more profitable!
Now, Mac and Linux both are designed to look more and more like Windows.
Sure, there's minor differences in the Gui, but look closely at how they
all have some form of button in the bottom left corner that opens up a
window to launch programs from... They all have a status bar with
a list of programs running, etc. They all try to tell you where to keep
your documents. Nothing's changed really.
Now, Mac and Linux both are designed to look more and more like Windows.
Sure, there's minor differences in the Gui, but look closely at how they
all have some form of button in the bottom left corner that opens up a
window to launch programs from... They all have a status bar with
a list of programs running, etc. They all try to tell you where to keep
your documents. Nothing's changed really.
Speaking of Amigas, I've heard AmigaOS is still alive and being developed, ->although I haven't seen any Amiga computers being sold in a long time..
Speaking of Amigas, I've heard AmigaOS is still alive and being developed, ->although I haven't seen any Amiga computers being sold in a long time..
This is true, granted you pretty much have to run it with an emulator these days on today's computers.
OpenStep is a published standard, which MacOS X follows(and writes the standard). GNUStep follows it pretty well, though the nib files are not standardised. The only major difference between writing GNUStep software and OS X software is the GUI designer files. Current versions of Apple GUI designer use an xml intermediate, I don#t know if the GNUStep people have started using it or not.
Okay, find me a laptop vendor that provides an all-metal case for their
laptops, and has the venting so that it isn't blocked/venting on the
I'm not sure what the big advantage is of an all-metal case. Apple seems to tout that as one of their selling points, but I don't see what the big deal is. They also seem to make a big point of their newer machines using "unibody"
cases - Again, I'm not sure I see the big deal that the case is all one piece.
I will say SSD on a laptop is a must... my mbp boots in about 8 seconds (to >> working desktop).
I think that's pretty cool.. I have yet to try an SSD, because they're still more expensive. I also seem to remember reading somewhere that SSDs were still
quite a bit slower than regular hard drives to be considered a suitable replacement for a regular hard drive, but it sounds like that isn't true anymore.
GTK, there's a theme switcher when you install a windows GTK+ app, usually..
but the ones that come with kind of all suck, or look alien, and never looke
at installing other themes.
It's not just the Gnome themes I like, but the features too. One thing I use all the time in Gnome is its multiple desktops. I've seen multi-desktop managers for Windows, but they don't seem to work quite as well. There was one
that I had tried for Windows, where it was quite obvious that all it was doing
was keeping lists of apps that you want to see on each desktop, and when you clicked on a different desktop icon, it would minimize all the apps from the first desktop and show the apps on the other desktop, and you could still see every app's button on the taskbar at the bottom of the screen.
cool. May even be a decent option for a portable version of the Synchronet >> operator UI.
I've often thought it might be nice to be able to write stand-alone apps with JavaScript. BBS apps could possibly be written that way with Synchronet's JavaScript API.
Yeah, I find it a little hard to believe that there is no software at all for OS X that would let you watch a blu-ray movie, even a third-party app.
I totally agree. The limitations that Apple puts into their devices is one thing I don't like about them.
a trained technician to be able to change the battery out. Heck, Apple e
had to go so far as to use Intel CPU's in their computers to be as much >> to throw it all away.sible.
I actually don't mind that Apple is using Intel CPUs in their Macs now. Most of the world's home computers use Intel CPUs, and being able to run Intel software (including Windows) at native speed, I think, is an advantage.
I don't use a Mac either, myself, and the lack of choices is one reason why.
The price is a turn off as well, if you ask me. It feels like you have to pay extra, just because it's a Mac. It has become this designer gadget, which bothers me a lot. Before iPod, no one wanted Macs and now, all of a sudden, they've become this profit hungry, cocky company, selling the "cool" stuff. And
people buy it.
I bought a NES-style USB gamepad so I can get my Mario fix. lol
Apple fanboys still tend to say that Macs are more stable than PCs, due to the
parts Apple puts in their Macs, but I think any PC maker could also make good choices for their components to build a stable computer. That's one thing I've
enjoyed about building my own PC - Getting to choose all the parts, and being able to make educated decisions to choose quality parts.
It seems to me that
unfortunately, PC makers such as Dell, HP, etc. tend to skimp on some of the parts here and there. As an example, I bought an HP machine a couple years ago
(the first desktop PC I've owned that I didn't build myself), and the video card they had put in it had a fan that started vibrating fairly loudly after a
couple months. Fortunately, it was a common enough problem that HP replaced the card at no cost to me. HP sent me a replacement video card via FedEx and also paid for shipping for the old card as well as the new card.
Also, it's not necessarily the OS developer that has to deal with the drivers for the hardware. The hardware manufacturer is the one who makes the drivers for their hardware. People often tend to blame Microsoft/Windows itself for being unstable due to the vast amount of hardware available, when I think the ones to blame are the hardware manufacturers for providing unstable drivers.
I agree. If they want more marketshare, they certainly would be more competitive if they lowered the price.
I once read an article online where someone made an interesting analogy. He compared Macintosh computers to BMW cars. BMW doesn't have huge marketshare, but their cars are above-par in quality and prestige, and they are priced that
way, and BMW is doing well as a company; he said Apple is similar in that they
don't necessarily want large marketshare, and they're fine with producing "premium" computers that sell at a higher price than other computers do.
PlayStation ROMs would be fairly big in comparison, since they're distributed on CD-ROM. :) You'd have to have a fairly large storage device in your phone
to store some PlayStation games. Most smartphones have only around 8GB-64GB of
storage, I believe, and you wouldn't be able to store that many PlayStation games in that amount of space..
hehe :) I've seen some of those. I've even seen some USB-NES adapters that will let you plug in a real NES gamepad into a USB port (and others for the various other console controllers too).
Pay bigbucks for Code Warrior or Real Studio,
rather than thousands of shareware and freeware compilers for windows.
I've also heard people say that the Amiga was really good for art and video processing. I heard that at the time, Amiga's computers had very advanced video hardware, and I've heard of a video editing program for the Amiga called
Video Toaster (I think), which sounds like Amiga's "killer app".
This kind of reminds me of people, who pirate Photoshop just because they believe it's the only proper program for photo editing. Then they do some simple adjustments and apply stupid filter effects, or create some text that looks like WordArt. As if they couldn't have done it using GIMP or whatever else.
use 2 monitors on my desktop at home and work... rarely miss virtual desktops... I don't know that mac has one native either.
I think win7's toolbar is much better than most other OSes I've used... it's like the OSX dock, and the xp/vista toolbar gave birth to an uber love-child
Is there a blueray playback software for linux event?
I think that's the biggest reason Macs tend to be more stable.. much more limited hardware variations (at least for non-USB hardware)...
I agree. If they want more marketshare, they certainly would be more competitive if they lowered the price.
Not sure on that... they've got over 10% market share, and over 90% of lapto sales over $1k in price. If they decreased their pricing, they could potentially devalue their brand and make less overall. There's something to be said for fewer sales with higher margins...
most of the aftermarket USB pads I've tried suck.. the fightpad (360/usb version) is about the best option currently, would prefer if they had a soli black matte finish over the street fighter IV characters though.
guess that's just the behavior I'm used to. I don't really understand why Microsoft decided to make such a drastic change to the Windows toolbar. At least the quick launch toolbar is still available in Win7.
They have to make something visual change to sell the new version. Like lets change the entire menu layout of Office 2003 and call it Office
2007. ;P
On 03/21/2011 10:46 AM, Nightfox wrote:
guess that's just the behavior I'm used to. I don't really understand why Microsoft decided to make such a drastic change to the Windows toolbar. A least the quick launch toolbar is still available in Win7.
They have to make something visual change to sell the new version. Like
lets change the entire menu layout of Office 2003 and call it Office
2007. ;P
I used OpenOffice for years, because I didn't want to pay for Microsoft Word
The only way you canget a DVD player for Linux as it is legally is if you by a closed source one. That's only possible becuase it was cracked, and they decided they would allow a license to non-mega-corps.
There is no Blue-Ray becuase the restrictions to license the codec and key are absoutlely rediculous and extremely expensive. The MPAA can also jsut sa to noto whomever they want. Until someone cracks it,they won't let up on their restrictions on it.
have a bunch of icons there for launching apps I use often. With the OS X dock
and Win7 toolbar, the icons are so big that I can't fit nearly as many there as
in the QuickLaunch toolbar; I also don't like that clicking those icons shows you a list of the current windows rather than launching a new instance.. I guess that's just the behavior I'm used to. I don't really understand why Microsoft decided to make such a drastic change to the Windows toolbar. At least the quick launch toolbar is still available in Win7.
Is there a blueray playback software for linux event?
That's a good question, and I'm not sure.. It would seem odd to me if there isn't. But I've heard that the only reason there is DVD player software for Linux is because the software uses the cracked DVD CSS code which was not obtained legitimately - I find that hard to believe too.. Will someone have to
illegally crack the blu-ray copy protection for blu-ray player software to be available in Linux? I wouldn't think it should have to be that way.
Not sure on that... they've got over 10% market share, and over 90% of lapto >> sales over $1k in price. If they decreased their pricing, they could
potentially devalue their brand and make less overall. There's something to >> be said for fewer sales with higher margins...
I'm surprised at that 90% figure. Lately I've certainly been seeing more Apple
laptops around, but it still seems like most laptops I see are non-Apple - Not
sure of the price of most of them though.
And it seems to be mainly in the US
where Apple is the most popular, but that's just a guess. I visited Brazil a couple times last year, and I noticed that Apple computers were *very* rare compared to PC computers - mainly because electronics are so much more expensive there, and Apple computers cost a lot more in the first place.
guess that's just the behavior I'm used to. I don't really understand why
Microsoft decided to make such a drastic change to the Windows toolbar. At >> least the quick launch toolbar is still available in Win7.
They have to make something visual change to sell the new version. Like lets change the entire menu layout of Office 2003 and call it Office 2007. ;P
Yes , someone will have to crack BlueRay for a Linux player to exist for it. The licenseing for BlueRay makes the midm90s DVD one look like it waswritten by a fairuse supporting saint.
The only way you canget a DVD player for Linux as it is legally is if you by >> a closed source one. That's only possible becuase it was cracked, and they >> decided they would allow a license to non-mega-corps.
If there is closed-source DVD player software for Linux, I'd think there would
be closed-source blu-ray software for Linux too.
You can adjust it to use "small icons"..
right-click an open space on the taskbar, then properties... check the box that says use small icons. I only wish if you had the taskbar docked on the left, that the portions on the bottom of the start menu (shutdown list, all programs, and searchbox) were at the top... that would be pretty natural for
Overall, it's still my fav... As for the size, on a 1920x1080 display you c get like 25+ apps on the taskbar... how many do you need there?
Still, I don't particularly care for the functionality of pinned app icons.. I
prefer the QuickLaunch icons.
Overall, it's still my fav... As for the size, on a 1920x1080 display you c >> get like 25+ apps on the taskbar... how many do you need there?
I currently have 41 on my QuickLaunch toolbar.. hehe
On 3/29/2011 9:37 PM, Nightfox wrote:
Still, I don't particularly care for the functionality of pinned app icons prefer the QuickLaunch icons.
So you'd rather have a running application taking up 2+ spaces on your taskb
Overall, it's still my fav... As for the size, on a 1920x1080 display yo >> get like 25+ apps on the taskbar... how many do you need there?
I currently have 41 on my QuickLaunch toolbar.. hehe
I think you need to re-evaluate "need" ... at 41, it's not a quicklaunch toolbar of your most used apps, it's another start menu... at that, it would be faster to use the search box on the start menu.. I use that for most apps not pinned. start "comp" (click computer management) etc...
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On 3/29/2011 9:37 PM, Nightfox wrote:
Still, I don't particularly care for the functionality of pinned app icons.. I prefer the QuickLaunch icons.
So you'd rather have a running application taking up 2+ spaces on your taskbar?
I currently have 41 on my QuickLaunch toolbar.. hehe
I think you need to re-evaluate "need" ... at 41, it's not a quicklaunch toolbar of your most used apps, it's another start menu... at that, it
would be faster to use the search box on the start menu.. I use that for most apps not pinned. start "comp" (click computer management) etc...
So you'd rather have a running application taking up 2+ spaces on your
taskbar?
It's not that I like having 2 spaces for a running application, it's the functionality of the QuickLaunch icons that I like. When I click one of the icons, I expect a new instance of the app to run. With a pinned application, when I click one of the icons, it just shows me the currently-running instances if there are any. I don't like that.
I actually find the QuickLaunch toolbar faster for commonly-used applications.
Clicking the start button and doing a search would take longer. It's faster to just go down and click an icon.
functionality of the QuickLaunch icons that I like. When I click one of t icons, I expect a new instance of the app to run. With a pinned applicati when I click one of the icons, it just shows me the currently-running instances if there are any. I don't like that.
Try middle-click. ;)
dunno, usually can click start, type the first few chars of an app, and ente pretty quickly... faster than scanning 41 icons anyhow.
On 3/30/2011 12:59 PM, Nightfox wrote:
It's not that I like having 2 spaces for a running application, it's the functionality of the QuickLaunch icons that I like. When I click one of the icons, I expect a new instance of the app to run. With a pinned application, when I click one of the icons, it just shows me the currently-running instances if there are any. I don't like that.
Try middle-click. ;)
On a laptop with only 2 mouse buttons (as most laptops have), middle-click doesn't work as well.. It's possible, but most of the time only through some sort of work-around, I believe.Well, get ready for using your alt-key and your left button. I just got the complete set of Borland Pascal 7 with Objects and all the manuels to go with it as well as the patches to write OS/2 software (and soon to be os/2 arriving) today. I played around with Turbo Vision today and with the time to spend on the manuals again, I'm starting to grow found of it again....
dunno, usually can click start, type the first few chars of an app, and ente >> pretty quickly... faster than scanning 41 icons anyhow.
I dunno, I guess for me it still seems faster to click one of those icons than
to do the app search. :)
Try middle-click. ;)
On a laptop with only 2 mouse buttons (as most laptops have), middle-click doesn't work as well.. It's possible, but most of the time only through some sort of work-around, I believe.
It's usually simulated by clicking both buttons at once...
you can right-click then click on the application name to launch another instance as well though.
My only wish is if you docked the taskbar on the left either the start butto was at the bottom, or the start menu was re-arranged so that it's reversed from it's bottom of screen ordering... would prefer to have them on the left as I have dual-widescreens on my desktop and would rather have the extra vertical space...
My only wish is if you docked the taskbar on the left either the start butto >> was at the bottom, or the start menu was re-arranged so that it's reversed >> from it's bottom of screen ordering... would prefer to have them on the left >> as I have dual-widescreens on my desktop and would rather have the extra
vertical space...
I was pretty sure Windows allowed moving the taskbar to the left or right side.. I've seen that done with Windows XP. You can also configure the taskbar to auto-hide so it only appears on the screen when you move the mouse to the bottom (or whatever edge of the screen you have the taskbar set up at).
I was pretty sure Windows allowed moving the taskbar to the left or right side.. I've seen that done with Windows XP. You can also configure the taskbar to auto-hide so it only appears on the screen when you move the mouse to the bottom (or whatever edge of the screen you have the taskbar set up at).
It does... but if you dock it on the left, and click the start button, the menu that comes up is oriented the exact same way as it is on the bottom... so you have to drag your mouse across all the shortcuts, etc to get the the "All Programs" list, or search box.
Re: RE:Macs and blu-ray
By: Robert Wolfe to NIGHTFOX on Fri Mar 04 2011 09:21:00
Speaking of Amigas, I've heard AmigaOS is still alive and being developed,
although I haven't seen any Amiga computers being sold in a long time..
This is true, granted you pretty much have to run it with an emulator these
days on today's computers.
It seems odd that they'd still be developing an OS that needs an emulator to N>run. I assumed the necessary hardware is also being produced by someone..
Re: RE:Macs and blu-ray
By: Robert Wolfe to NIGHTFOX on Fri Mar 04 2011 09:21:00
Speaking of Amigas, I've heard AmigaOS is still alive and being devel ->although I haven't seen any Amiga computers being sold in a long time
This is true, granted you pretty much have to run it with an emulator t days on today's computers.
It seems odd that they'd still be developing an OS that needs an emulator N>run. I assumed the necessary hardware is also being produced by someone..
Unless they are making an x86 or x64 version of it now, too :)
Yes, the necessary hardware is still being produced. It's PowerPC b
good example is the X1000:
http://www.a-eon.com/x1000.html
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