On 1/9/2021 4:45 AM, ARELOR wrote to MATTHEW MUNSON:

If you upload a product and start selling it - at a thin margin, becauswe Amazon is gonna get a big chunk of it - they contact your distributor, because
they know the distribution price and they know who the distributor is - get the
same wares you are selling, and place them for sale cheaper. Since your article
is more expensive it gets penalized in search results.

Also, Amazon is threatening to kick Parler out of their platform which sucks.

I am going to use Gamestop/Barnes and Noble and Deep Discount as my media vendors.
But my former employer was a used books dealer.

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Re: Re: more of Amazon is hor
By: Warp 4 to HusTler on Mon Jan 11 2021 09:09 am

On 11 Jan 2021, HusTler said the following...

about it that makes America great. Allowing big companies like facebook and twitter and Amazon to delete messages and users does not honor our right to free speech.

That's just it -- they are PRIVATE COMPANIES with THEIR OWN EQUIPMENT, so therefore they have a right to do what they want. There is no difference between that and a private citizen running a BBS. If a Sysop decided to cen posts on HIS BBS running on HIS EQUIPMENT in HIS OWN HOME, then that is HIS right. At least, that is my opinion.

They are private companies with the right to manage their own content, but then I expect people to exercise their right to agree or disagree with their practices.

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Re: Re: more of Amazon is hor
By: Warp 4 to HusTler on Mon Jan 11 2021 09:09 am

On 11 Jan 2021, HusTler said the following...

about it that makes America great. Allowing big companies like facebook and twitter and Amazon to delete messages and users does not honor our right to free speech.

That's just it -- they are PRIVATE COMPANIES with THEIR OWN EQUIPMENT, so therefore they have a right to do what they want. There is no difference between that and a private citizen running a BBS. If a Sysop decided to censor posts on HIS BBS running on HIS EQUIPMENT in HIS OWN HOME, then that is HIS right. At least, that is my opinion.

Pretty sure it's the *law* as well (that a sysop or private company has the right to remove user-generated content).
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Hello Arelor!

** On Monday 11.01.21 - 10:14, Arelor wrote to Warp 4:

That's just it -- they are PRIVATE COMPANIES with THEIR OWN
EQUIPMENT, so therefore they have a right to do what they
want. There is no difference between that and a private
citizen running a BBS. If a Sysop decided to cen posts on
HIS BBS running on HIS EQUIPMENT in HIS OWN HOME, then that
is HIS right. At least, that is my opinion.

They are private companies with the right to manage their own content, but then I expect people to exercise their right to agree or disagree with their practices.

You do have the right. If you agree, you stick around. If you
disgree, you go away. ;)




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Re: Re: more of Amazon is hor
By: Warp 4 to HusTler on Mon Jan 11 2021 09:09 am

On 11 Jan 2021, HusTler said the following...

about it that makes America great. Allowing big companies like facebook and twitter and Amazon to delete messages and users does not honor our right to free speech.

That's just it -- they are PRIVATE COMPANIES with THEIR OWN EQUIPMENT, so therefore they have a right to do what they want. There is no difference between that and a private citizen running a BBS. If a Sysop decided to censor posts on HIS BBS running on HIS EQUIPMENT in HIS OWN HOME, then that is HIS right. At least, that is my opinion.

Pretty sure it's the *law* as well (that a sysop or private company has the right to remove user-generated content). --
digital man

A sysop running a private BBS is not running a business. A sysop runs a BBS on their own personal POSESSIONS in their own HOME. That is NOT how the companies operate.

Who is "they" anyway. They are not owned by a single individual, are not being hosted in that individuals own residence.

This nonsense about PRIVATE COMPANIES is laughable, considering how many of them are publically traded.

I'm all for people being able to do what the hell they like with their own personal posessions, but if you the benefits of actually running a business, and having the legal and financial status of one, you can no longer pretend its just you doing what the hell you please. If Jack Dorsey has a problem with Trump and his supporters, he is free to do all his likes in his personal life. But he is not entitled to operate Twitter in a way which infringes upon peoples right to freedom of expression.

You want to run a major hosting service, and act like is just your own property? Then fine, I won't complain at all. But you must then lose every legal and financial advantage and protection that you have, that a sysop at home doesn't have and have no employees working for you. You want the benefits of a public business, but none of the comcomitant social obligations.

These Big Tech companies are getting away with too much. Trump should have come down far harder on them.

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Re: Re: more of Amazon is hor
By: Digital Man to Warp 4 on Wed Jan 13 2021 06:48 pm

Re: Re: more of Amazon is hor
By: Warp 4 to HusTler on Mon Jan 11 2021 09:09 am

On 11 Jan 2021, HusTler said the following...

about it that makes America great. Allowing big companies like
facebook and twitter and Amazon to delete messages and users does
not honor our right to free speech.

That's just it -- they are PRIVATE COMPANIES with THEIR OWN EQUIPMENT,
so therefore they have a right to do what they want. There is no
difference between that and a private citizen running a BBS. If a
Sysop decided to censor posts on HIS BBS running on HIS EQUIPMENT in
HIS OWN HOME, then that is HIS right. At least, that is my opinion.

Pretty sure it's the *law* as well (that a sysop or private company has the right to remove user-generated content).
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well laws are changed. trump was ordered by a court that he can't block certain people on twitter. that created a sticky situation.

these online services are trying to TAKE OVER the web. the have become monopolies. monopolies can't do what they want and they must be regulated.

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Re: more of Amazon is hor
By: Ogg to HusTler on Thu Jan 14 2021 12:34 am

A, FB, Twtr, or whatever, are not much different than a BBS,
really. On a BBS the sysop can do exactly the same things:
block, delete, deny, and set any rules they want when people
play in their home.

As long as A, FB, and Twtr and other places like are "free",
there little anyone can tell THEM how to operate - just like a
BBS.

these services crossed the line and became monopolies. they tried to control the public. courts were involved when trump blocked people.

that changes everything.

so bbses are in no way like facebook and twitter.

no facebook and twitter do not get to do what they want. they got themselves into this mess and many other messes. it's a double edged sword.
they used our information for their own purposes and lost in court several times. they tried to manipulate the world and the internet.

they have to be regulated. they arent just independant websites anymore.

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Re: Re: more of Amazon is hor
By: Boraxman to Digital Man on Thu Jan 14 2021 11:00 pm

I'm all for people being able to do what the hell they like with their own personal posessions, but if you the benefits of actually running a business, and having the legal and financial status of one, you can no longer pretend its just you doing what the hell you please. If Jack Dorsey has a problem with Trump and his supporters, he is free to do all his likes in his personal life. But he is not entitled to operate Twitter in a way which infringes upon peoples right to freedom of expression.

and these companies take people's information and exploit it, they try to influence our elections and the way people think.

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Re: more of Amazon is hor
By: MRO to Ogg on Fri Jan 15 2021 04:55 am

they have to be regulated. they arent just independant websites anymore.

How do you propose the Twitters, Facebooks, and TikToks be regulated? Phone companies are regulated. Cellphone companies are regulated. Mining companies are regulated. Financial services companies are regulated. Automotive manufacturers and sellers are regulated. Yet, how can online services be regulated?

For one, they are. Privacy. COPA. Financial records. The list goes on and on. Where regulation ends is when users are told, "this is what you can and cannot write about." Violation of these T&Cs ensure a level playing field. There's a point to where federal regulations end and good business practices begin. T&Cs are just one area that benefits the users of the service.

Dream Master

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Re: more of Amazon is hor
By: Dream Master to MRO on Fri Jan 15 2021 11:04 am

they have to be regulated. they arent just independant websites
anymore.

How do you propose the Twitters, Facebooks, and TikToks be regulated? Phone companies are regulated. Cellphone companies are regulated. Mining companies are regulated. Financial services companies are regulated.

they should be regulated with laws so they cant pull the bullshit they keep pulling. also they have been doing bad things with people's information and they get caught over and over again and get a slap on the wrist.

they need to be service providers and not manipulators.

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Re: more of Amazon is hor
By: Dream Master to MRO on Fri Jan 15 2021 11:04 am

begin. T&Cs are just one area that benefits the users of the service.

Terms and Conditions are writen by a lawyer in the service provider's payroll, and is tailored to both protect the service against users, gain advantages over users, and establish limits on what users can do.

The absolute mayority you can find in such documents is just an explanation of your limitations as a user and exemptions of responsibility for the service provider, and what the user is supposed to do for the service provider.

Not that anybody ever reads them hahahahahaha

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Re: more of Amazon is hor
By: MRO to Dream Master on Fri Jan 15 2021 01:39 pm

they need to be service providers and not manipulators.

Without a doubt, I agree. If you are providing a service to millions of people, they should be regulated to ensure the protection of people's data. GDPR is a perfectly good example of it. Here's the problem, here in America we are very "business-centric" and not "people-centric". The "business-centric" nature is a Conservative value. Only when we change these mindsets and bring back the desire of our government to protect the people, nothing will change.

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Hello Arelor!

** On Friday 15.01.21 - 16:04, Arelor wrote to Dream Master:

Terms and Conditions..

The absolute mayority you can find in such documents is just
an explanation of your limitations as a user and exemptions
of responsibility for the service provider, and what the
user is supposed to do for the service provider.

Not that anybody ever reads them hahahahahaha

There's no point in reading them. Those same lawyers add the
famous paragraphs "..the content of this T & C can change.."


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Re: Re: more of Amazon is hor
By: Boraxman to Digital Man on
Thu Jan 14 2021 11:00 pm

I'm all for people being able to do what the hell they like with their own personal posessions, but if you the benefits of actually running a business, and having the legal and financial status of one, you can no longer pretend its just you doing what the hell you please. If Jack Dorsey has a problem with Trump and his supporters, he is free to do all his likes in his personal life. But he is not entitled to operate Twitter in a way which infringes upon peoples right to freedom of expression.

and these companies take people's information and exploit it, they try
to influence our elections and the way people think.

That as well. If they are going to take the place of the public square, and accept that position, then they also have to accept that they can no longer "curate" opinion.



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Re: Re: more of Amazon is hor
By: Warp 4 to HusTler on Mon Jan 11 2021 09:09 am

That's just it -- they are PRIVATE COMPANIES with THEIR OWN EQUIPMENT, so therefore they have a right to do what they want. There is no difference between that and a private citizen running a BBS. If a Sysop decided to

Totally agree with this. It's their shit, they don't have to allow anyone they don't like, but you don't have to use their shit either.

The really lame part was how the three companies teamed up to destroy that other company, and EVERYONE THOUGHT IT WAS GOOD.

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Re: more of Amazon is hor
By: Ogg to HusTler on Thu Jan 14 2021 12:34 am

A, FB, Twtr, or whatever, are not much different than a BBS,
really. On a BBS the sysop can do exactly the same things:
block, delete, deny, and set any rules they want when people
play in their home.

Mission statement
The mission we serve as Twitter, Inc. is to give everyone the power to create and share ideas and information instantly without barriers. Our business and revenue will always follow that mission in ways that improve and do not detract from a free and global conversation. Twitter.

Although Jack Dorsey has the right to do certain things like Delete conserveative account's it still goes against the stated twitter model.

As long as A, FB, and Twtr and other places like are "free",
there little anyone can tell THEM how to operate - just like a

Core value
We believe in free expression and think every voice has the power to impact the world. Twitter

Well twitter lied, and I deleted both my twitter accounts.

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Re: more of Amazon is hor
By: Denn to Ogg on Mon Jan 18 2021 01:23 am

Core value
We believe in free expression and think every voice has the power to impact the world. Twitter

Well twitter lied, and I deleted both my twitter accounts.

I have not verified it personally, but I have heard they are experiencing an amazingly high number of account deletions.

I think it was Uganda that closed access to Twitter, because they are having elections and their gov says Twitter is partisan
and must not be allowed to mess in the voting.

Angela Merkelñ has spoken against Twitter regarding President Trump's bans. I have heard Bruno Le Maire has also taken
positions against Twitter in this issue despite the fact he condemms Trump anyway.

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Hello Denn!

** On Monday 18.01.21 - 01:23, Denn wrote to Ogg:

Although Jack Dorsey has the right to do certain things like
Delete conserveative account's it still goes against the
stated twitter model.

We believe in free expression and think every voice has the
power to impact the world. Twitter

Well twitter lied, and I deleted both my twitter accounts.

Wow. There certainly seems to be some hyprocracy and flip-
flopping going on at Twitter! Good for you. I never ventured
to try Twitter - and I don't ever plan to now.


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Re: more of Amazon is hor
By: Arelor to Denn on Mon Jan 18 2021 03:52 am

Re: more of Amazon is hor
By: Denn to Ogg on Mon Jan 18 2021 01:23 am

Core value
We believe in free expression and think every voice has the power to
impact the world. Twitter

Well twitter lied, and I deleted both my twitter accounts.

I have not verified it personally, but I have heard they are experiencing an amazingly high number of account deletions.

i guess people are going to gab. now gab is being ddos'd and it's very laggy from all the new people too.

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Re: more of Amazon is hor
By: Ogg to Denn on Mon Jan 18 2021 03:59 pm

Wow. There certainly seems to be some hyprocracy and flip-
flopping going on at Twitter! Good for you. I never ventured
to try Twitter - and I don't ever plan to now.

For the record, I once tried to create a torified Twitter account. The bastards make it impossible to create ananonymous
account since they require a shitload of personal information from you in order to let you... post Internet memes?

I passed then and I am glad I did.

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Ogg wrote to Denn <=-

Hello Denn!

** On Monday 18.01.21 - 01:23, Denn wrote to Ogg:

Although Jack Dorsey has the right to do certain things like
Delete conserveative account's it still goes against the
stated twitter model.

We believe in free expression and think every voice has the
power to impact the world. Twitter

Well twitter lied, and I deleted both my twitter accounts.

Wow. There certainly seems to be some hyprocracy and flip-
flopping going on at Twitter! Good for you. I never ventured
to try Twitter - and I don't ever plan to now.

I left twitter in 2009 when Palm stopped taking Q/A from customers while they were developing a smartphone called the Pre.

Twitter, as a company, is a cesspit of authoritarians, sexists [they call themselves feminists], and pseudo-socialists. A close friend of mine is an engineer there and has become a master at pretending to be a leftist. He'd
have to search for a job if his secret were to ever get out.

Daniel


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Arelor wrote to Denn <=-

Re: more of Amazon is hor
By: Denn to Ogg on Mon Jan 18 2021 01:23 am

Core value
We believe in free expression and think every voice has the power to impact

he world. Twitter

Well twitter lied, and I deleted both my twitter accounts.

I have not verified it personally, but I have heard they are
experiencing an amazingly high number of account deletions.

I deleted mine quite recently too. Not connected to that Trump/Parley fuck up, but still.
Twitter's formula is too much noise to me anyway. I rather like to have some people who have time to verify all that Twitter bullshit to post some conclusions or maybe drive some meaningful conversation out of it rather than follow directly.

I also deleted about 400 contacts from my so called "friendlist" on FB during last two years. Now limiting the list to about 200. I removed all the pages to like and all groups beside two that I trully contribute into with words.

I use revert site and fb purity to kill all the crap and I stopped getting connected to social networks via mobile device.
Only Desktop and more often (if I don't forget to) via VPN.

I have Brave and duck duck go and I prefer BBS formula of discussion groups, I've found here to actually find topics that are suprisingly interesting and clean to find, comparing to all that content madness in the social media services today.

Sooner we kill these social mother*f*rs the better world will be, this is the dead end that will at some point push us to unwanted war.

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