I am presently watching The Book of Boba Fett on Disney+ which is still being released weekly. We are on episode 5/7 now and things are beginning to reach a climax.

Other than that I am working through Netflix's Neymar: The Perfect Chaos. I am always blown away by the quality of pretty much any Netflix docuseries and this one is no different. It chronicles the journey of the Brazillian football star Neymar from his impoverished youth in Sao Paulo to joining Santos on a youth contract and thereafter making it big with FC Barcelona and later Paris Saint-Germain.

What are all of you watching?

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Re: What's Everyone Watching?
By: Andeddu to All on Fri Jan 28 2022 01:06 pm

What are all of you watching?

I'm enjoying 1883.
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I am presently watching The Book of Boba Fett on Disney+ which is

<SNIP>

What are all of you watching?

Currently on season 2 of Ozark on Netflix. Outstanding.



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What are all of you watching?

I'm enjoying 1883.

Same here. I saw The Hero a while back, and Sam Elliot looked 15 years older in it than he does in 1883. Loved his character in both.

His talk with Elsa in the latest episode was gut-wrenching.


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On 1/28/22 06:06, Andeddu wrote:

What are all of you watching?

Also watching Book of Boba Fett, episode 5 is the only one I've really
liked so far, which was basically an episode of Mandalorean. TBH, I
think they neutered Boba too much, or at least didn't show the
transition very well in the earlier episodes... If they'd done more of
the flashbacks in chronological order, with "5 years earlier" or
something similar when he came out of the sarlac pitt (sp) it would have
been better. The editing isn't as good as it could/should be.

Started on Peacemaker this past weekend, far better than it has any
right to be, but my expectations were incredibly low.

I also watch Rookie, Blue Bloods, Superman & Lois and a handful of others.
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Also watching Book of Boba Fett, episode 5 is the only one I've really
liked so far, which was basically an episode of Mandalorean. TBH, I
think they neutered Boba too much, or at least didn't show the

Right-on. So bummed what the series turned into, the myth of Fett was
much more interesting than this stuff. But yeah, last week's EP --
basically S3 EP1 of The Mandolorian -- was pretty good!

Started on Peacemaker this past weekend, far better than it has any
right to be, but my expectations were incredibly low.

So into this show. Violent, flithy and funny. And some deep cuts from the
DC Universe.. Hell, Kite Man even got a shout last week!

Started The Guilded Age with my wife, but alas -- felt like network TV
garbage writing, which is a shame, I actually liked Downton Abbey...



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Re: Re: What's Everyone Watching?
By: Tracker1 to Andeddu on Mon Jan 31 2022 04:11 pm

On 1/28/22 06:06, Andeddu wrote:

What are all of you watching?

Also watching Book of Boba Fett, episode 5 is the only one I've really
liked so far, which was basically an episode of Mandalorean. TBH, I
think they neutered Boba too much, or at least didn't show the
transition very well in the earlier episodes... If they'd done more of
the flashbacks in chronological order, with "5 years earlier" or
something similar when he came out of the sarlac pitt (sp) it would have been better. The editing isn't as good as it could/should be.

Started on Peacemaker this past weekend, far better than it has any
right to be, but my expectations were incredibly low.

I also watch Rookie, Blue Bloods, Superman & Lois and a handful of others. --

i'm not going to watch it because disney canceled that muscle chick.

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Re: Re: What's Everyone Watching?
By: Tracker1 to Andeddu on Mon Jan 31 2022 04:11 pm

Also watching Book of Boba Fett, episode 5 is the only one I've really
liked so far, which was basically an episode of Mandalorean. TBH, I
think they neutered Boba too much, or at least didn't show the
transition very well in the earlier episodes... If they'd done more of
the flashbacks in chronological order, with "5 years earlier" or
something similar when he came out of the sarlac pitt (sp) it would have been better. The editing isn't as good as it could/should be.

I feel the same way about Boba Fett's character. In the original movies he was quiet, mysterious and clearly morally bankrupt. Disney have retconned this version of Fett and turned him into a naive do-gooder who is soft on his enemies. I am still enjoying the series though as the spin-offs are way better than the main-line movies which are just embarrassing. Episode 5 is, ironically, the best so far for me also which is hilarious because Fett doesn't feature in it for even a second. Some of the decisions in the earlier episodes are strange too, such as the augmented Vespa gang who couldn't have looked more ridiculous and out of place in a Star Wars production. There are only 2 more episodes remaining so I reckon it'll reach a rushed conclusion.

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Re: Re: What's Everyone Watching?
By: aLPHA to Tracker1 on Tue Feb 01 2022 02:20 am

Right-on. So bummed what the series turned into, the myth of Fett was
much more interesting than this stuff. But yeah, last week's EP --
basically S3 EP1 of The Mandolorian -- was pretty good!

He is a literal clone of Jango who was absolutely fucking ruthless... despite being the Daimio, Fennec Shand clearly wears the trousers in their relationship.

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Andeddu wrote to Tracker1 <=-

second. Some of the decisions in the earlier episodes are strange too, such as the augmented Vespa gang who couldn't have looked more
ridiculous and out of place in a Star Wars production.

Kitted-up vespa speeders on a rim world that's obviously at the tail end of the supply runs, based on the overall look and feel of Tatooine.

I would like to see Luke's speeder appear in the background somewhere.


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Re: Re: What's Everyone Watching?
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Andeddu on Wed Feb 02 2022 06:50 am

Kitted-up vespa speeders on a rim world that's obviously at the tail end of the supply runs, based on the overall look and feel of Tatooine.

I would like to see Luke's speeder appear in the background somewhere.

The entire American Grafitti vibe I got from those Vespas was so jarring. The gang felt like they were shoe-horned in also... I could have done without them and their weird outfits.

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The entire American Grafitti vibe I got from those Vespas was so
jarring. The gang felt like they were shoe-horned in also... I could
have done without them and their weird outfits.

It reminded me of the William Gibson/Neal Stephenson cyberpunk worlds, or if one of them had written "Hackers". Again, doesn't fit into the rim world trope.


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Re: Re: What's Everyone Watching?
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Andeddu on Fri Feb 04 2022 06:53 am

It reminded me of the William Gibson/Neal Stephenson cyberpunk worlds, or if one of them had written "Hackers". Again, doesn't fit into the rim world trope.

They don't appear to be natives nor do they seem to have a legitimate place on Tatooine other than being a gang of ruffians. It's a bit of a strange design choice to include them, but nevermind... they are canon now.

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After watching Episode IX, I am not even sure Disney considered Episode VI canon!

Maybe not! That really would not surprise me. People thought that JJ
Abrams ruined the prequels... I don't think they were ready for what Disney might have had in mind.

I would be surprised if Disney gave consideration to anything in TCW as it would appear most of the writers have only the most rudimentary understanding of the universe and characters. There is talk of Bib Fortuna being the former daimyo after Jabba the Hutt... but that's all we hear of it.

Book SPOILERS!
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I had heard that, in TBOBF, Bobba Fett supposedly dethrowned Bib Fortuna
before taking over Jabba's palace. If that is not the case, then maybe
they did retain some of the litterary canon. In one of the books, it is explained that the palace used to be a monestary, and the brainwalkers are former monks who had isolated themselves from all physical sensations. Apparently, when Jabba's crime syndicate moved in, they did not kick the
monks out, and both the still-embodied monks and the brainwalkers still
inhabit part of the palace.

After Jabba's demise at the Saralac's pit, Fortuna returns to the Palace to find that the monks (with most of Jabba's people gone to the rebel
execution) have taken the full Palace back over.

He tries to reinstall himself as the new being in charge, but the monks
seal him up in the throne room. He had been plotting with them to
overthrow Jabba, and then plotting on his own to seize total control. The monks apparently found out. Ultimately, Bib is turned into a brainwalker, as are a few others of Jabba's crew that either remained at, or returned to, the Palace.

Being a walker does not stop Fortuna from trying to regain access to the Palace's central computers... some of his secret codes are still valid...
but, as a walker, he does not have hands or eyes. He teaches himself to manipulate spoons and other "eating implements" with his two front legs.
The last you hear of him, he is still trying somehow to access the computer without dropping his tool or being found out.

That is all from "Tales From Jabba's Palace," an official Lucasfilm's book
that tells background stories of many of the "minor" characters at Jabba's Palace when Luke arrives at the beginning of Return of the Jedi, and follows most of them through the aftermath of Jabba's death.

If Fortuna was successful at getting into the computer, it is possible that
he did eventually take over and that he may have even found a body to have
his brain put back into.

The book also tells the story of how Bobba escaped the Saralac before being
too digested to escape.

The last episode of TBOBF was a massive let down. I would say that only 3/7 episodes were good with the rest being extremely mediocre.

That is too bad. I think many had high hopes for it, based on how they
enjoyed The Mandalorian.


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Hello Gamgee!

** On Friday 28.01.22 - 20:35, Gamgee wrote to Andeddu:

What are all of you watching?

Currently on season 2 of Ozark on Netflix. Outstanding.

I kinda binged the seven episodes of Ozark S4 P1 the last three
nights. Amazing. A great continuation of a convoluted twisty
story.


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Ogg wrote to Gamgee <=-

What are all of you watching?

Currently on season 2 of Ozark on Netflix. Outstanding.

I kinda binged the seven episodes of Ozark S4 P1 the last three
nights. Amazing. A great continuation of a convoluted twisty
story.

Yes, it's been very enjoyable, with some unexpected twists. I'm now
finished to the same point with it as you are.

Any idea when S4 P2 is due out?



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Hello Gamgee!

** On Tuesday 15.02.22 - 07:45, Gamgee wrote to Ogg:

Yes, it's been very enjoyable, with some unexpected twists. I'm now finished to the same point with it as you are.

Any idea when S4 P2 is due out?

Not really. Even Jason Bateman (as one of the Executive
Producers) ..just states "Sometime very soon."

If he wants the show to qualify as a contender for one of the
tv/film awards, it has to be released on or before May
sometime.

The meetup between Javi and Ruth ought to be pretty intense.


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Ogg wrote to Gamgee <=-

Yes, it's been very enjoyable, with some unexpected twists. I'm now finished to the same point with it as you are.

Any idea when S4 P2 is due out?

Not really. Even Jason Bateman (as one of the Executive
Producers) ..just states "Sometime very soon."

Okay, that's encouraging, at least.

If he wants the show to qualify as a contender for one of the
tv/film awards, it has to be released on or before May
sometime.

Ahhh, that should help, then.

The meetup between Javi and Ruth ought to be pretty intense.

Indeed. My money's on Ruth. ;-)


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Re: TBOBF
By: Dumas Walker to ANDEDDU on Mon Feb 14 2022 05:06 pm

After watching Episode IX, I am not even sure Disney considered Episode VI canon!

Maybe not! That really would not surprise me. People thought that JJ Abrams ruined the prequels... I don't think they were ready for what Disney might have had in mind.

Lucas mentioned many times in interviews that Anakin/Vader is The Chosen One who would being balance to the force. Abrams bringing back Palpatine and making him even more powerful and in control of a seperate line of the Empire from the First Order and subsequently having Rey kill him makes a mockery of the entire series. It seems like Disney has retconned the previous movies and landed Rey with the mantle of The Chosen One.

I had heard that, in TBOBF, Bobba Fett supposedly dethrowned Bib Fortuna before taking over Jabba's palace. If that is not the case, then maybe
they did retain some of the litterary canon. In one of the books, it is

<SNIP>

Disney have retconned that as, if you recall The Mandalorian S2 finale, Boba Fett shoots him in the face whilst he is on the throne and usurps him as the Daimyo.

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Disney have retconned that as, if you recall The Mandalorian S2 finale, Boba Fett shoots him in the face whilst he is on the throne and usurps him as the Daimyo.

Ahh, so it happened in that show. I unfortunately don't have Disney+ so I
have missed a lot of their retconning. Maybe that is a good thing. :)


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Re: TBOBF
By: Dumas Walker to ANDEDDU on Sat Feb 19 2022 09:46 am

Disney have retconned that as, if you recall The Mandalorian S2 finale, Boba Fett shoots him in the face whilst he is on the throne and usurps him as the Daimyo.

Ahh, so it happened in that show. I unfortunately don't have Disney+ so I have missed a lot of their retconning. Maybe that is a good thing. :)

I have no doubt that it's a good thing. If you are able to stay away from anything that is Disney Star Wars you will have a much higher opinion of the whole franchise. The old expanded universe is much superior to the new canon.

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Re: TBOBF
By: Andeddu to Dumas Walker on Mon Feb 21 2022 06:52 pm

I have no doubt that it's a good thing. If you are able to stay away from anything that is Disney Star Wars you will have a much higher opinion of the
whole franchise. The old expanded universe is much superior to the new canon.

The Mandalorian, created under Disney rule, is excellent though. Mainly as it doesn't try to just do Star Wars all over again.

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Re: TBOBF
By: Andeddu to Dumas Walker on Mon Feb 21 2022 06:52 pm

Ahh, so it happened in that show. I unfortunately don't have Disney+ so I have missed a lot of their retconning. Maybe that is a good thing. :)

I have no doubt that it's a good thing. If you are able to stay away from anything that is Disney Star Wars you will have a much higher opinion of the whole franchise. The old expanded universe is much superior to the new canon.

i think lucas drove starwars into the ground.

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Re: TBOBF
By: Mewcenary to Andeddu on Mon Feb 21 2022 09:30 pm

The Mandalorian, created under Disney rule, is excellent though. Mainly as it doesn't try to just do Star Wars all over again.

I don't disagree. The Mandalorian is a quality series which is well written and executed with a lavish budget. I was hoping that TBOBF would be as good. It is strange because that one episode was basically an episode of The Mandalorian with the same high quality production values. TBOBF seems so disjointed looking back at it now.

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Re: TBOBF
By: MRO to Andeddu on Mon Feb 21 2022 06:17 pm

i think lucas drove starwars into the ground.

Are you referring to the prequel trilogy? I thought it was better than the OT in terms of writing. Lucas was good because he used the Star Wars license sparingly compared to Disney who are just churning out show after show to see what sticks. They've ultimately devalued the franchise.

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Re: TBOBF
By: Andeddu to MRO on Tue Feb 22 2022 10:50 pm

Re: TBOBF
By: MRO to Andeddu on Mon Feb 21 2022 06:17 pm

i think lucas drove starwars into the ground.

Are you referring to the prequel trilogy? I thought it was better than the OT in terms of writing. Lucas was good because he used the Star Wars license sparingly compared to Disney who are just churning out show after show to see what sticks. They've ultimately devalued the franchise.

i'm talking about everything he did starting with fucking with the movies in the 90s to how they are now. at THAT time the original saga was great. the dialog sucked but it wasnt bad thanks to studio intervention and his wife helping out. that's why she got a ton of money in the divorce.

when lucas had full control, he got real weird and messed up everything. I don't like any of the newer starwars movies. i dont even like the disney movies. they are super super fast and superficial.

lucas used his starwars stuff sparingly because he was a shut in all those years and decided to build ILM. he also was making a lot of money each year just riding it out.

it's fitting that he sold to disney because he was like walt disney.

but the real reason he sold was because he thought the world was going to end in 2012. dude's a delusional nut.

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Re: TBOBF
By: Andeddu to MRO on Tue Feb 22 2022 10:50 pm

Re: TBOBF
By: MRO to Andeddu on Mon Feb 21 2022 06:17 pm

i think lucas drove starwars into the ground.

Are you referring to the prequel trilogy? I thought it was better than the O in terms of writing. Lucas was good because he used the Star Wars license sparingly compared to Disney who are just churning out show after show to se what sticks. They've ultimately devalued the franchise.

The prequel had more means and better production, but I would not label the writting as clearly superior myself.

The retcon with the mirichlorians (or whatever they are called) seems weird to me.

The original series was more serious and conveyed this idea that the Dark Side had real teeth. The prequel was more cartoonish, and a bit like Fast and Furious in Space at times. Nothing wrong with that, but I think there is a qualitative difference in the style of both trilogies and that the prequel tried to have more flash at the expense of less athmosphere.

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Re: TBOBF
By: MRO to Andeddu on Tue Feb 22 2022 11:19 pm

i'm talking about everything he did starting with fucking with the movies in the 90s to how they are now. at THAT time the original saga was great. the dialog sucked but it wasnt bad thanks to studio intervention and his wife helping out. that's why she got a ton of money in the divorce.

when lucas had full control, he got real weird and messed up everything. I don't like any of the newer starwars movies. i dont even like the disney movies. they are super super fast and superficial.

lucas used his starwars stuff sparingly because he was a shut in all those years and decided to build ILM. he also was making a lot of money each year just riding it out.

it's fitting that he sold to disney because he was like walt disney.

but the real reason he sold was because he thought the world was going to end in 2012. dude's a delusional nut.

I quite like the remastered versions of the OT because they were carried out tastefully. Continuity issues such as Jabba the Hut being a human being in Episode IV were also fixed.

Hahaha, I never heard about Lucas being into astrology and numerology... I guess it's just a Hollywood thing.

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Re: TBOBF
By: Arelor to Andeddu on Wed Feb 23 2022 01:42 pm

The prequel had more means and better production, but I would not label the writting as clearly superior myself.

The retcon with the mirichlorians (or whatever they are called) seems weird to me.

The original series was more serious and conveyed this idea that the Dark Side had real teeth. The prequel was more cartoonish, and a bit like Fast and Furious in Space at times. Nothing wrong with that, but I think there is a qualitative difference in the style of both trilogies and that the prequel tried to have more flash at the expense of less athmosphere.

I had the same thoughts. The explanation and reton with the midichlorians seemed weird, and the prequels generally seemed to have a lighter feel to them. I've had the general feeling that people tended to consider the prequel movies more kid-friendly (which actually seemed to start with Return of the Jedi in the original trilogy due to the Ewoks). Although the scenes in Revenge of the Sith with Anakin burning and then getting his Darth Vader suit felt fairly grim.

When the Star Wars 1-6 set was first released on blu-ray (around 2011 or 2012), I bought a set. But I'm actually not sure if I'm interested in owning that set anymore and have considered selling it. I've seen 4K releases of the original trilogy now, but last I checked, they were around $25-$30 apiece, which seemed a little steep.

Nightfox

Re: TBOBF
By: Andeddu to MRO on Wed Feb 23 2022 05:29 pm

I quite like the remastered versions of the OT because they were carried out tastefully. Continuity issues such as Jabba the Hut being a human being in Episode IV were also fixed.

I don't remember Jabba the Hut ever appaering as human.. When did that happen?

I've also wondered if the 'humans' in Star Wars were really supposed to be human. If it takes place a long time ago in a galaxy far away, what are the chances they'd be human? But there's a scene in Empire Strikes Back where C-3PO refers to Luke Skylwalker (I think) as a human.. I wondered what the story was about how humans came from that galaxy to our galaxy.

Nightfox

Re: TBOBF
By: Arelor to Andeddu on Wed Feb 23 2022 01:42 pm

The retcon with the mirichlorians (or whatever they are called) seems weird to me.

yeah that was strange.

and jarjar was bad.


it was just overthought and had no soul.

the old one had soul, even though it was full of holes and issues.

i dont care about special effects. woooo! exploding thing in space. big deal.

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Re: TBOBF
By: Andeddu to MRO on Wed Feb 23 2022 05:29 pm

I quite like the remastered versions of the OT because they were carried out tastefully. Continuity issues such as Jabba the Hut being a human being in Episode IV were also fixed.

Hahaha, I never heard about Lucas being into astrology and numerology... I guess it's just a Hollywood thing.

go look up seth rogan talkling about lucas.

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Re: TBOBF
By: Arelor to Andeddu on Wed Feb 23 2022 01:42 pm

The prequel had more means and better production, but I would not label the writting as clearly superior myself.

The retcon with the mirichlorians (or whatever they are called) seems weird to me.

The original series was more serious and conveyed this idea that the Dark Side had real teeth. The prequel was more cartoonish, and a bit like Fast and Furious in Space at times. Nothing wrong with that, but I think there is a qualitative difference in the style of both trilogies and that the prequel tried to have more flash at the expense of less athmosphere.

The plot was far more complex in the prequel trilogy. The collapse of the Republic and the destruction of what was for the creation of what must be was so clever and true to life from a historical standpoint. There are weak points such as the Padme/Anakin romance cringe fest along with Jar Jar Binks, etc... but the story on the whole was somewhat of a masterpiece.

Watching Palpatine pulling the strings from behind the scenes and controlling both sides of the trade conflict via his secret order of the Sith and thereafter enacting "temporary" emergency measures through the senate by subverting key members of the cabinet was a stroke of genius. Order 66 and the sacking of the Jedi Temple along with the purging of all jedi was downright Machiavellian! By the end of Episode III we're given a glimpse of the transformation of the Republic into the new Empire and the viewer is left scratching their heads over how it all happened.

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Re: Star Wars
By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Wed Feb 23 2022 01:03 pm

I don't remember Jabba the Hut ever appaering as human.. When did that happen?

I've also wondered if the 'humans' in Star Wars were really supposed to be human. If it takes place a long time ago in a galaxy far away, what are the chances they'd be human? But there's a scene in Empire Strikes Back where C-3PO refers to Luke Skylwalker (I think) as a human.. I wondered what the story was about how humans came from that galaxy to our galaxy.

Nightfox

I have a recollection of watching the original 1977 movie and seeing a man portraying Jabba in the hanger scene with Han Solo. The scene was definitely updated with CGI in the 1997 re-release which I watched in the cinema.

Earth, to my knowledge, is not a place that's noted in the galaxy maps in the Star Wars universe... I've always thought of it as an alternate universe or something rather than one parallel to ours.

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Re: TBOBF
By: MRO to Arelor on Wed Feb 23 2022 08:28 pm

i dont care about special effects. woooo! exploding thing in space. big deal.

Episodes 7-9 are all special effects with nothing else to offer.

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Re: Star Wars
By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Thu Feb 24 2022 04:57 pm

I don't remember Jabba the Hut ever appaering as human.. When did
that happen?

I have a recollection of watching the original 1977 movie and seeing a man portraying Jabba in the hanger scene with Han Solo. The scene was definitely updated with CGI in the 1997 re-release which I watched in the cinema.

I had first seen the original movie long ago on TV when I was young, so it's been a while. I don't remember seeing that. Interesting.

I've also wondered if the 'humans' in Star Wars were really supposed
to be human. If it takes place a long time ago in a galaxy far away,
what are the chances they'd be human? But there's a scene in Empire

Earth, to my knowledge, is not a place that's noted in the galaxy maps in the Star Wars universe... I've always thought of it as an alternate universe or something rather than one parallel to ours.

Star Wars wouldn't need to take place in a parallel universe (I've never actually thought of that). Star Wars takes place in a different galaxy, so naturally, Earth wouldn't be on the galaxy maps. If they really are meant to be human, I was thinking that perhaps a group of humans in the Star Wars universe had possibly traveled to Earth and settled here.

Nightfox

Re: TBOBF
By: Nightfox to Arelor on Wed Feb 23 2022 12:59 pm

Re: TBOBF
By: Arelor to Andeddu on Wed Feb 23 2022 01:42 pm

The prequel had more means and better production, but I would not label the writting as clearly superior myself.

The retcon with the mirichlorians (or whatever they are called) seems weird to me.

The original series was more serious and conveyed this idea that the Da Side had real teeth. The prequel was more cartoonish, and a bit like Fa and Furious in Space at times. Nothing wrong with that, but I think the is a qualitative difference in the style of both trilogies and that the prequel tried to have more flash at the expense of less athmosphere.

I had the same thoughts. The explanation and reton with the midichlorians s hich actually seemed to start with Return of the Jedi in the original trilog

When the Star Wars 1-6 set was first released on blu-ray (around 2011 or 201 t last I checked, they were around $25-$30 apiece, which seemed a little ste

Nightfox

When Lucas filmed Phantom Menace, he created a film he believed his kids
would love. He wasn't thinking as an oversized kid with an obsession for several genres of cinema. He was thinking more as a protective father.

I hated the midichlorian explanation. That burst the belief that follows
most systems of faith where all you need to become a force user is to give yourself to the force. Midichlorians made force using an exclusive club.

Regarding the Jedi being a sect of warrior monks, that did make sense. Attachments to property or people can cloud focus and decision making.Also it makes me laugh at all the fans who had Jedi themed weddings.

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Re: Star Wars
By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Wed Feb 23 2022 01:03 pm

Re: TBOBF
By: Andeddu to MRO on Wed Feb 23 2022 05:29 pm

I quite like the remastered versions of the OT because they were carrie out tastefully. Continuity issues such as Jabba the Hut being a human being in Episode IV were also fixed.

I don't remember Jabba the Hut ever appaering as human.. When did that happ

I've also wondered if the 'humans' in Star Wars were really supposed to be h lker (I think) as a human.. I wondered what the story was about how humans

Nightfox

When ANH was filmed, there is a scene that is filmed where Jabba is waiting o utside of Han's ship asking for his money. This was filmed with a human
actor playing Jabba as originally planned. This was cut from the original release, then put back in the digitally enhanced re-releases, except the
CGI version of Jabba is overlayed on the actor. They also had to edit when Ha n walks behind Jabba so it appears he steps on his tail rather than walk through the spot his tail should be.

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Re: TBOBF
By: MRO to Arelor on Wed Feb 23 2022 08:28 pm

Re: TBOBF
By: Arelor to Andeddu on Wed Feb 23 2022 01:42 pm

The retcon with the mirichlorians (or whatever they are called) seems wei to me.

yeah that was strange.

and jarjar was bad.

it was just overthought and had no soul.

the old one had soul, even though it was full of holes and issues.

i dont care about special effects. woooo! exploding thing in space. big

midi chlorians was a bad way to add a scientific approach to measuring the force. If it were up to me, I would've explained them as organisms that are attracted to use users rather than something that makes them. That ruined
the concept that anyone can become a force user if they allowed it to flow through them by clearing their mind of other distractions.

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Re: Star Wars
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Thu Feb 24 2022 12:12 pm

When ANH was filmed, there is a scene that is filmed where Jabba is waiting o utside of Han's ship asking for his money. This was filmed with a human actor playing Jabba as originally planned. This was cut from the original release, then put back in the digitally enhanced re-releases, except the CGI version of Jabba is overlayed on the actor. They also had to edit when Ha n walks behind Jabba so it appears he steps on his tail rather than walk through the spot his tail should be.

Ah, I remember hearing about that, and I remember seeing that scene with the CGI Jabba when the edited versions were released. Somehow I thought someone was saying there was a released version that didn't have the CGI Jabba, showing Jabba as a human.

Nightfox

Re: TBOBF
By: Andeddu to MRO on Thu Feb 24 2022 04:58 pm

Re: TBOBF
By: MRO to Arelor on Wed Feb 23 2022 08:28 pm

i dont care about special effects. woooo! exploding thing in space. b deal.

Episodes 7-9 are all special effects with nothing else to offer.

Luke having to decide whether to complete his training as a Jedi or save his friends.

Darth Vader trapped by the dark side and not bothering to try to escape because nobody ever escapes the dark side... or maybe that is an exaggeration.

The Luke-Leia-Solo chemistry is just better than the ones the main characters in the prequel get (which is not saying much anyway).

Characters and character development just work better in the originals even if the plot is simplistic adventure IMO.

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Re: Star Wars
By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Thu Feb 24 2022 01:10 pm

I have a recollection of watching the original 1977 movie and seeing a portraying Jabba in the hanger scene with Han Solo. The scene was definitely updated with CGI in the 1997 re-release which I watched in t cinema.

I had first seen the original movie long ago on TV when I was young, so it's been a while. I don't remember seeing that. Interesting.

More information here:

https://dirkdeklein.net/2018/02/17/that-time-jabba-the-hut-was-jabba-the-human/

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Re: Star Wars
By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Thu Feb 24 2022 04:57 pm

I have a recollection of watching the original 1977 movie and seeing a man portraying Jabba in the hanger scene with Han Solo. The scene was definitely updated with CGI in the 1997 re-release which I watched in the cinema.

i think the deal is they had a human actor to play jabba but it was cut out. you may have seen another movie with this deleted scene removed.
or it's a mandella effect thing.

they cgi'd in a little jaba in the 90s which i found shitty.

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Re: Star Wars
By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Thu Feb 24 2022 01:10 pm

Re: Star Wars
By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Thu Feb 24 2022 04:57 pm

I don't remember Jabba the Hut ever appaering as human.. When did
that happen?

I have a recollection of watching the original 1977 movie and seeing a man portraying Jabba in the hanger scene with Han Solo. The scene was definitely updated with CGI in the 1997 re-release which I watched in the cinema.

I had first seen the original movie long ago on TV when I was young, so it's been a while. I don't remember seeing that. Interesting.

I've also wondered if the 'humans' in Star Wars were really supposed
to be human. If it takes place a long time ago in a galaxy far away,
what are the chances they'd be human? But there's a scene in Empire

https://i.imgur.com/E9vqs4B.png

Star Wars wouldn't need to take place in a parallel universe (I've never actually thought of that). Star Wars takes place in a different galaxy, so

when i was a kid i thought that starwars was before our time.
sort of like what they did with battlestar galactica when it was reimagined.

my brilliance was even showing at that young age.

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Re: TBOBF
By: Moondog to MRO on Thu Feb 24 2022 12:17 pm

i dont care about special effects. woooo! exploding thing in space.
big

midi chlorians was a bad way to add a scientific approach to measuring the force. If it were up to me, I would've explained them as organisms that are attracted to use users rather than something that makes them. That ruined the concept that anyone can become a force user if they allowed it to flow through them by clearing their mind of other distractions.

he could have made it into some brain advancement instead of bugs in the blood. and some people have more than others.

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Re: Star Wars
By: Arelor to Nightfox on Thu Feb 24 2022 04:42 pm

More information here:

https://dirkdeklein.net/2018/02/17/that-time-jabba-the-hut-was-jabba-the-hum an/

and really lucas changed his mind so much. this guy could have just been a stand in because lucas was hoping to use a puppet.
it probably wasnt in the budget.

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--- MOONDOG wrote ---
midi chlorians was a bad way to add a scientific approach to measuring
the force. If it were up to me, I would've explained them as organisms that are attracted to use users rather than something that makes them. That ruined the concept that anyone can become a force user if they allowed it to flow through them by clearing their mind of other distractions.

The mistake is explaining it at all beyond what Yoda said in Empire.

I don't know why kids today are so hung up on everything being explained...






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Re: Star Wars
By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Thu Feb 24 2022 04:57 pm

Re: Star Wars
By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Wed Feb 23 2022 01:03 pm

I don't remember Jabba the Hut ever appaering as human.. When did that happen?

I've also wondered if the 'humans' in Star Wars were really supposed to b human. If it takes place a long time ago in a galaxy far away, what are chances they'd be human? But there's a scene in Empire Strikes Back wher C-3PO refers to Luke Skylwalker (I think) as a human.. I wondered what t story was about how humans came from that galaxy to our galaxy.

Nightfox

I have a recollection of watching the original 1977 movie and seeing a man portraying Jabba in the hanger scene with Han Solo. The scene was definitely updated with CGI in the 1997 re-release which I watched in the cinema.

Earth, to my knowledge, is not a place that's noted in the galaxy maps in th Star Wars universe... I've always thought of it as an alternate universe or something rather than one parallel to ours.

I forgot what it is called, but there is a phenomenon where people whave seen the outtake material at a leter time, but recall seeing it in the theatres. Since it was cut and abandoned, there was no possible way for it to have been released. A similar experiment was conducted where a group of people sat
down as individuals and watched a staged even that was intended to look like security camera footage. There were several smaller story arcs going on with people in the parking lot, but the main event was an incident beween two drive rs fighting over a parking spot. The video is the constant or control, and the variable was ringer in the bunch that was seeding fake inofrmation or changing arounf vehicle colors or orders of the events. when interviewed alone, each person was asked what they saw, and some of them claimed they saw or noticed the smaller details the ringer introduced tot he story. When
given a chance to view the video again, they would claim the video was edited.


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Re: Star Wars
By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Thu Feb 24 2022 01:10 pm

Re: Star Wars
By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Thu Feb 24 2022 04:57 pm

I don't remember Jabba the Hut ever appaering as human.. When did
that happen?

I have a recollection of watching the original 1977 movie and seeing a portraying Jabba in the hanger scene with Han Solo. The scene was definitely updated with CGI in the 1997 re-release which I watched in t cinema.

I had first seen the original movie long ago on TV when I was young, so it's

I've also wondered if the 'humans' in Star Wars were really supposed
to be human. If it takes place a long time ago in a galaxy far away,
what are the chances they'd be human? But there's a scene in Empire

Earth, to my knowledge, is not a place that's noted in the galaxy maps the Star Wars universe... I've always thought of it as an alternate universe or something rather than one parallel to ours.

Star Wars wouldn't need to take place in a parallel universe (I've never act at perhaps a group of humans in the Star Wars universe had possibly traveled

Nightfox

Battlestar Galactica, the 1978 series especially took the more direct
approach to the Chariot of the Gods concept mixed with Mormonism to imply humans on Earth were the space equivalent of the 13th tribe of Israelites
that crossed the ocean rather than follow Moses. That may be where some of
us older folk may think there was a relationship between Star Wars and
humans of Earth.

Glenn Larsen floated the idea of a BSG prequel that takes place during the Exodus from Kobol dealing primarily with the colony ship named Atlantia. It crashes in the ocean or a small island, and becomes the basis of a colony
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Re: Star Wars
By: Nightfox to Moondog on Thu Feb 24 2022 02:37 pm

Re: Star Wars
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Thu Feb 24 2022 12:12 pm

When ANH was filmed, there is a scene that is filmed where Jabba is waiting o utside of Han's ship asking for his money. This was filmed wi a human actor playing Jabba as originally planned. This was cut from th original release, then put back in the digitally enhanced re-releases, except the CGI version of Jabba is overlayed on the actor. They also ha to edit when Ha n walks behind Jabba so it appears he steps on his tail rather than walk through the spot his tail should be.

Ah, I remember hearing about that, and I remember seeing that scene with the

Nightfox

Behind the scene footage was released on TV specials over the years and on
box sets and the internet. Another scene that has become popular is when Luke
goes to Tosche station and learns his buddy Biggs Darklighter had graduated Imperial Academy and is jumping a freighter to join the Rebellion. Two of Luke's friends, Cammy and Fixer are there and show up again in a scene on the Book of Boba Fett at Tosche station.

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Re: TBOBF
By: MRO to Moondog on Thu Feb 24 2022 08:52 pm

Re: TBOBF
By: Moondog to MRO on Thu Feb 24 2022 12:17 pm

i dont care about special effects. woooo! exploding thing in space. big

midi chlorians was a bad way to add a scientific approach to measuring th force. If it were up to me, I would've explained them as organisms that attracted to use users rather than something that makes them. That ruine the concept that anyone can become a force user if they allowed it to flo through them by clearing their mind of other distractions.

he could have made it into some brain advancement instead of bugs in the blo

It played off more like a genetic attribute rather than side effect or
residual though, claiming a person can devote their life to the force, and never become something because they lack a Midi count

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Re: TBOBF
By: the doctor to MOONDOG on Fri Feb 25 2022 12:03 pm

--- MOONDOG wrote ---
midi chlorians was a bad way to add a scientific approach to measuring
the force. If it were up to me, I would've explained them as organisms th are attracted to use users rather than something that makes them. That ruined the concept that anyone can become a force user if they allowed it flow through them by clearing their mind of other distractions.

The mistake is explaining it at all beyond what Yoda said in Empire.

I don't know why kids today are so hung up on everything being explained...

I also get the impression Lucas wanted something else other than "I have a feeling about this kid" to be a benchmark of whether Annikin should be
drafted at such a late age.

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Re: Star Wars
By: Moondog to Andeddu on Fri Feb 25 2022 07:41 pm

I forgot what it is called, but there is a phenomenon where people whave seen the outtake material at a leter time, but recall seeing it in the theatres.

https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-the-mandela-effect-4589394
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Re: Star Wars
By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Thu Feb 24 2022 01:10 pm

Star Wars wouldn't need to take place in a parallel universe (I've never actually thought of that). Star Wars takes place in a different galaxy, so naturally, Earth wouldn't be on the galaxy maps. If they really are meant to be human, I was thinking that perhaps a group of humans in the Star Wars universe had possibly traveled to Earth and settled here.

Could be. I have looked into it a little now that you've mentioned it and there is no information as to whether these humans seeded Earth... obviously if it did happen it would have happened far beyond the Star Wars timeline and known lore.

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Re: Star Wars
By: Nightfox to Moondog on Thu Feb 24 2022 02:37 pm

Ah, I remember hearing about that, and I remember seeing that scene with the CGI Jabba when the edited versions were released. Somehow I thought someone was saying there was a released version that didn't have the CGI Jabba, showing Jabba as a human.

I was saying that. I may have seen the outtake and conflated it with an old memory of the pre-1977 CGI enhanced version of Episode IV.

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Re: TBOBF
By: Arelor to Andeddu on Thu Feb 24 2022 04:38 pm

The Luke-Leia-Solo chemistry is just better than the ones the main characters in the prequel get (which is not saying much anyway).

Characters and character development just work better in the originals even if the plot is simplistic adventure IMO.

Agreed. I guess that is what made the OT so special. As much as I liked the prequel characters, I just couldn't anywhere near as good a connection with them. The Episode VII-IX characters I actively disliked.

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Re: Star Wars
By: MRO to Andeddu on Thu Feb 24 2022 08:48 pm

i think the deal is they had a human actor to play jabba but it was cut out. you may have seen another movie with this deleted scene removed.
or it's a mandella effect thing.

they cgi'd in a little jaba in the 90s which i found shitty.

I must have saw the deleted scene and merged the memory with an early viewing of Episode IV. I guess Lucas must have created The Hutts after Episode IV was filmed to go back and delete that scene knowing that he'd later portray Jabba as a space slug.

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Re: TBOBF
By: the doctor to MOONDOG on Fri Feb 25 2022 12:03 pm

The mistake is explaining it at all beyond what Yoda said in Empire.

I don't know why kids today are so hung up on everything being explained...

They almost retconned it in the Disney trilogy after speculation that Rey was a nobody with no special lineage. This was prior to Abrams deciding at the 11th hour that she'd be the grand-daughter of Emperor Palaptine.

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Re: Star Wars
By: Moondog to Andeddu on Fri Feb 25 2022 07:41 pm

I forgot what it is called, but there is a phenomenon where people whave seen the outtake material at a leter time, but recall seeing it in the theatres. Since it was cut and abandoned, there was no possible way for it to have been released. A similar experiment was conducted where a group of people sat
down as individuals and watched a staged even that was intended to look like security camera footage. There were several smaller story arcs going on with people in the parking lot, but the main event was an incident beween two drive rs fighting over a parking spot. The video is the constant or control, and the variable was ringer in the bunch that was seeding fake inofrmation or changing arounf vehicle colors or orders of the events. when interviewed alone, each person was asked what they saw, and some of them claimed they saw or noticed the smaller details the ringer introduced tot he story. When
given a chance to view the video again, they would claim the video was edited.

Must have something to do with the way in which the brain orders information and stores it as memory. I have seen several similar experiments including ridiculous scenarios where the viewer sees a video of a group of 6 or so people throwing a ball around and are asked to count how many times the ball is passed. During the clip a man in a gorilla suit walks straight thorugh them all in clear sight. When asked about this detail, only around 10% of viewers picked up on the gorilla and many believed the video was edited when it was replayed back to them.

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Andeddu wrote to Nightfox <=-

I have a recollection of watching the original 1977 movie and seeing a
man portraying Jabba in the hanger scene with Han Solo. The scene was definitely updated with CGI in the 1997 re-release which I watched in
the cinema.

That never made it into the cinematic cut in 1977. It later appeared in the deleted scenes.

Earth, to my knowledge, is not a place that's noted in the galaxy maps
in the Star Wars universe... I've always thought of it as an alternate universe or something rather than one parallel to ours.

I like Dune and Foundation, where the people are human, but have moved long past Earth - I think in the former they've forgotten where Earth was and in the latter, Earth was hit by a comet and later terraformed into a park.


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Re: Star Wars
By: Digital Man to Moondog on Fri Feb 25 2022 08:45 pm

Re: Star Wars
By: Moondog to Andeddu on Fri Feb 25 2022 07:41 pm

I forgot what it is called, but there is a phenomenon where people whave seen the outtake material at a leter time, but recall seeing it in the theatres.

https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-the-mandela-effect-4589394
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Re: TBOBF
By: the doctor to MOONDOG on Fri Feb 25 2022 12:03
pm

They almost retconned it in the Disney trilogy after speculation that Rey was a nobody with no special lineage. This was prior to Abrams deciding at the 11th hour that she'd be the grand-daughter of Emperor Palaptine.

Which was an attempt to wreck what I loved about The Last Jedi.

I thought it should have a MOSFILM logo at the end. The revolution is for everybody.



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On 2/22/22 15:50, Andeddu wrote:

i think lucas drove starwars into the ground.

Are you referring to the prequel trilogy? I thought it was better than
the OT in terms of writing. Lucas was good because he used the Star
Wars license sparingly compared to Disney who are just churning out
show after show to see what sticks. They've ultimately devalued the franchise.

I think that Clone Wars adds a lot of context to the prequels that add
value to the series.. if you watch the first 6 in "machete" order, it
flows a lot better. 7-9, may as well skip, the story telling is just
bad... the visuals are cool, but it's just not Star Wars... Clone Wars
and Rebels were far better... Resistance I just didn't care for, and I
think they dropped the ball on The Bad Batch by infantalizing the kid
too much, she was formidable in the first episode, then they
figuratively neutered her. She should have just remained capable through
the series, possibly even becoming a team leader, still flawed and inexperienced (not like they did with wesley crusher in stng).
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On 2/24/22 09:57, Andeddu wrote:

I have a recollection of watching the original 1977 movie and seeing a man portraying Jabba in the hanger scene with Han Solo. The scene was definitely updated with CGI in the 1997 re-release which I watched in the cinema.

It was cut from the original movie... the clip was definitely online
pretty early in internet age. It was first added with the special
effects remaster and a cgi character with DVD. the CGI for Jabba in
episode 4 was done for each re-release (including online for Disney+).
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I think that Clone Wars adds a lot of context to the prequels that add
value to the series.. if you watch the first 6 in "machete" order, it
flows a lot better. 7-9, may as well skip, the story telling is just
bad... the visuals are cool, but it's just not Star Wars... Clone Wars
and Rebels were far better... Resistance I just didn't care for, and I
think they dropped the ball on The Bad Batch by infantalizing the kid
too much, she was formidable in the first episode, then they
figuratively neutered her. She should have just remained capable through
the series, possibly even becoming a team leader, still flawed and inexperienced (not like they did with wesley crusher in stng).

The last time I binged Star Wars, I watched the first three, the Clone Wars movie, and then the original three plus #7. Sort of like the first three
are not on par with the original 3, #7 was not on par with any of the first
6 or Clone Wars.

It did not motivate me enough to watch 8 or 9, although I did watch Solo.

I still do want to see Rogue One.


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Re: Re: TBOBF
By: Dumas Walker to TRACKER1 on Sat Mar 26 2022 10:42 am

I think that Clone Wars adds a lot of context to the prequels that add value to the series.. if you watch the first 6 in "machete" order, it flows a lot better. 7-9, may as well skip, the story telling is just bad... the visuals are cool, but it's just not Star Wars... Clone Wars
and Rebels were far better... Resistance I just didn't care for, and I think they dropped the ball on The Bad Batch by infantalizing the kid
too much, she was formidable in the first episode, then they
figuratively neutered her. She should have just remained capable through the series, possibly even becoming a team leader, still flawed and inexperienced (not like they did with wesley crusher in stng).

The last time I binged Star Wars, I watched the first three, the Clone Wars movie, and then the original three plus #7. Sort of like the first three are not on par with the original 3, #7 was not on par with any of the first 6 or Clone Wars.

It did not motivate me enough to watch 8 or 9, although I did watch Solo.

I still do want to see Rogue One.

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Rogue One works well as a stand alone story in the SW universe as well as a pre-cursor to ANH

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I still do want to see Rogue One.

Rogue One works well as a stand alone story in the SW universe as well as a pre-cursor to ANH

I have heard that. Shortly after it came out, I had one SW fan (who I
don't think cared much for 1-3) tell me that someone could watch Rogue One,
and then the original three, and not really miss anything. As that was Disney's first SW movie, they had high hopes for the future ones.

I have not kept in touch with them, but wonder if they still feel that way
or not. :)


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On 3/26/22 07:42, Dumas Walker wrote:

The last time I binged Star Wars, I watched the first three, the Clone Wars movie, and then the original three plus #7. Sort of like the first three
are not on par with the original 3, #7 was not on par with any of the first
6 or Clone Wars.

It did not motivate me enough to watch 8 or 9, although I did watch Solo.

I still do want to see Rogue One.

Rogue One is definitely the best of the recent films... I would consider watching the Clone Wars series as well as the Rebels series. Rogue One
is far from perfect, but still very good. It's really the only movie
where Darth Vader actually looks terrifying on screen.
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