On 28 Jan 2022, Andeddu said the following...

What are all of you watching?

All forms of Star Trek and Archive 81.

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Re: Re: What's Everyone Watching?

Finished the final season of The Expanse recently. Was pretty good. Season 1 and 2 are still the best for that series.

Been enjoying Ted Lasso. Never thought it would interest me but I was bored one day and ended up enjoying it.

When I've burned through that I'll start on the latest season of Cobra Kai.

i'm not going to watch it because disney canceled that muscle chick.

The Mandalorian? Me either. Was pretty disappointed with Disney's cancel culture bs. Especially over nothing. It is a good show but I'm not going to reward bad behaviour.

Re: Re: What's Everyone Watch
By: MRO to Tracker1 on Tue Feb 01 2022 12:48 am

Re: Re: What's Everyone Watching?
By: Tracker1 to Andeddu on Mon Jan 31 2022 04:11 pm

On 1/28/22 06:06, Andeddu wrote:

What are all of you watching?

Also watching Book of Boba Fett, episode 5 is the only one I've really liked so far, which was basically an episode of Mandalorean. TBH, I
think they neutered Boba too much, or at least didn't show the
transition very well in the earlier episodes... If they'd done more of the flashbacks in chronological order, with "5 years earlier" or something similar when he came out of the sarlac pitt (sp) it would have been better. The editing isn't as good as it could/should be.

Started on Peacemaker this past weekend, far better than it has any
right to be, but my expectations were incredibly low.

I also watch Rookie, Blue Bloods, Superman & Lois and a handful of others --

i'm not going to watch it because disney canceled that muscle chick.

Gina is back. Favreau has enough pull to bring her back.

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Re: Re: What's Everyone Watch
By: fang-castro to Andeddu on Mon Jan 31 2022 07:02 pm

All forms of Star Trek and Archive 81.

Is Archive 81 worth watching? The premise seems interesting.

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On 01 Feb 2022, Andeddu said the following...

Re: Re: What's Everyone Watch
By: fang-castro to Andeddu on Mon Jan 31 2022 07:02 pm

All forms of Star Trek and Archive 81.

Is Archive 81 worth watching? The premise seems interesting.

I've only watched the 1st two episodes so far because of my schedule, but it was great. Nice and creepy! Haven't watched anything as creepy in a while. I really like psychological thrillers and this fits the bill.

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By: Moondog to MRO on Tue Feb 01 2022 10:29 am

others --

i'm not going to watch it because disney canceled that muscle chick.

Gina is back. Favreau has enough pull to bring her back.

did she get a public apology? i didnt see it.

i just see 'according to youtuber' shit.


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By: fang-castro to Andeddu on Tue Feb 01 2022 08:27 pm

I've only watched the 1st two episodes so far because of my schedule, but it was great. Nice and creepy! Haven't watched anything as creepy in a while. I really like psychological thrillers and this fits the bill.

Perfect! I shall add it to my shortlist. I have been looking for something creey/mysterious with a pinch of horror.

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Re: Re: What's Everyone Watch
By: MRO to Moondog on Wed Feb 02 2022 12:27 am

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By: Moondog to MRO on Tue Feb 01 2022 10:29 am

others --

i'm not going to watch it because disney canceled that muscle chick.

Gina is back. Favreau has enough pull to bring her back.

did she get a public apology? i didnt see it.

i just see 'according to youtuber' shit.

I wasn't a fan of her acting and preferred the episodes without her in them.
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Re: Re: What's Everyone Watch
By: Digital Man to MRO on Wed Feb 02 2022 08:26 pm

did she get a public apology? i didnt see it.

i just see 'according to youtuber' shit.

I wasn't a fan of her acting and preferred the episodes without her in them.

if you think about it , there's not too many good actors in tv shows anymore, period.

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By: Andeddu to Tracker1 on Tue Feb 01 2022 04:15 pm

Re: Re: What's Everyone Watching?
By: Tracker1 to Andeddu on Mon Jan 31 2022 04:11 pm

Also watching Book of Boba Fett, episode 5 is the only one I've really liked so far, which was basically an episode of Mandalorean. TBH, I
think they neutered Boba too much, or at least didn't show the
transition very well in the earlier episodes... If they'd done more of the flashbacks in chronological order, with "5 years earlier" or something similar when he came out of the sarlac pitt (sp) it would have been better. The editing isn't as good as it could/should be.

I feel the same way about Boba Fett's character. In the original movies he w quiet, mysterious and clearly morally bankrupt. Disney have retconned this version of Fett and turned him into a naive do-gooder who is soft on his enemies. I am still enjoying the series though as the spin-offs are way bett than the main-line movies which are just embarrassing. Episode 5 is, ironically, the best so far for me also which is hilarious because Fett does feature in it for even a second. Some of the decisions in the earlier episod are strange too, such as the augmented Vespa gang who couldn't have looked m ridiculous and out of place in a Star Wars production. There are only 2 more episodes remaining so I reckon it'll reach a rushed conclusion.

TBoBF overall lacks the quality writing of The Mandalorian.

I attribute the change in Boba's character to be the result of facing death, then being "reborn" as part of a tribal social unit. In the flashbacks as a child, he would see Jango flying off, then later on filling his shoes (and costume) living a life on anger and brutality to others. He realizes his
life before was empty, and learned from the Sand people he could be happy in
a society with mutual earned trust and respect.


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By: Andeddu to aLPHA on Tue Feb 01 2022 04:20 pm

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By: aLPHA to Tracker1 on Tue Feb 01 2022 02:20 am

Right-on. So bummed what the series turned into, the myth of Fett was much more interesting than this stuff. But yeah, last week's EP -- basically S3 EP1 of The Mandolorian -- was pretty good!

He is a literal clone of Jango who was absolutely fucking ruthless... despit being the Daimio, Fennec Shand clearly wears the trousers in their relationship.

He knows how to delegate responsibility. Fennec is his enforcer, and once he is established, she will be the face to face person handling his affairs.

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I attribute the change in Boba's character to be the result of facing
death,
then being "reborn" as part of a tribal social unit. In the
flashbacks as a
child, he would see Jango flying off, then later on filling his shoes
(and
costume) living a life on anger and brutality to others. He realizes
his
life before was empty, and learned from the Sand people he could be
happy in
a society with mutual earned trust and respect.

I like this analysis.

I actually see a lot of Robert Rodriguez expressed in this season, that
could be why I dislike it as well.

I guess I didn't want to see a new, softer Boba. I wanted to see the Most Feared Bounty Hunter in the Galaxy come back kick some ass. Head canon
will always be the best canon!



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Moondog wrote to Andeddu <=-

I attribute the change in Boba's character to be the result of facing death, then being "reborn" as part of a tribal social unit. In the flashbacks as a child, he would see Jango flying off, then later on filling his shoes (and costume) living a life on anger and brutality to others. He realizes his life before was empty, and learned from the
Sand people he could be happy in a society with mutual earned trust and respect.

Is Boba Fett still in the show? :)

I watched this week's episode and thought that despite my fears, Disney has become a good custodian of the Star Wars Universe. That one scene
(spoilers!) with Mando talking to one person, and the two off in the
distance was pretty amazing - seeing those people coming together on screen
in one place.




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Re: Re: What's Everyone Watch
By: Moondog to Andeddu on Wed Feb 02 2022 11:30 pm

I attribute the change in Boba's character to be the result of facing death, then being "reborn" as part of a tribal social unit. In the flashbacks as a child, he would see Jango flying off, then later on filling his shoes (and costume) living a life on anger and brutality to others. He realizes his life before was empty, and learned from the Sand people he could be happy in a society with mutual earned trust and respect.

I just think they should have expanded upon the tribe a little more as once Fett became an honorary Tuskan himself, the entire tribe got immediately massacred. Some of the earlier episodes were only around 35 minutes long so a minor extension could have added to the exposition. I reckon my complaint is that Mando behaves more like Fett than Fett does. He is quiet and stoic whereas Fett appears to talk far too much. It isn't a massive criticism on my part as I like the series and I am glad they produced it.

I still haven't watched episode 6 so I'll hopefully get the chance to see it tonight.

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By: Moondog to Andeddu on Wed Feb 02 2022 11:35 pm

He knows how to delegate responsibility. Fennec is his enforcer, and once he is established, she will be the face to face person handling his affairs.

Seems like in combat, she's far more proficient than him also. I honestly think he has been neutered a little bit. I guess some of the mystery has been removed with all his dialogue and the way he walks around a lot with his helmet off. He is not quite as cool as I thought he was in Episodes 5-6.

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Re: Re: What's Everyone Watch
By: MRO to Digital Man on Thu Feb 03 2022 12:39 am

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By: Digital Man to MRO on Wed Feb 02 2022 08:26 pm

did she get a public apology? i didnt see it.

i just see 'according to youtuber' shit.

I wasn't a fan of her acting and preferred the episodes without her in th

if you think about it , there's not too many good actors in tv shows anymore

Granted she is notthe best actor, however she is more suitable than some of
the actresses they have playing similar roles. She is by no means delicate
or tiny. She looks like she can take and dish out the punches, which is what I'd expect from a shock trooper.

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By: poindexter FORTRAN to Andeddu on Wed Feb 02 2022 06:50 am

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second. Some of the decisions in the earlier episodes are strange too, such as the augmented Vespa gang who couldn't have looked more ridiculous and out of place in a Star Wars production.

Kitted-up vespa speeders on a rim world that's obviously at the tail end of the supply runs, based on the overall look and feel of Tatooine.

I would like to see Luke's speeder appear in the background somewhere.

... Voice your suspicions

The way it appears Tattooine is growing into a major link in the spice distribution chain. I imagine any group interested in getting a piece of the action leaving their comfy cities in favor of going where the money is.

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Re: Re: What's Everyone Watch
By: MRO to Digital Man on Thu Feb 03 2022 12:39 am

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By: Digital Man to MRO on Wed Feb 02 2022 08:26 pm

did she get a public apology? i didnt see it.

i just see 'according to youtuber' shit.

I wasn't a fan of her acting and preferred the episodes without her in th

if you think about it , there's not too many good actors in tv shows anymore period.

I agree.

For some find acting on a TV show (albeit one which had 2 hour episodes), this is one of my favourite scenes from Columbo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNZR58ysUUI

Peter Falk and Patrick McGoohan, two good actors making this scene their own.

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Re: Re: What's Everyone Watch
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Thu Feb 03 2022 06:55 am

Moondog wrote to Andeddu <=-

I attribute the change in Boba's character to be the result of facing death, then being "reborn" as part of a tribal social unit. In the flashbacks as a child, he would see Jango flying off, then later on filling his shoes (and costume) living a life on anger and brutality to others. He realizes his life before was empty, and learned from the Sand people he could be happy in a society with mutual earned trust and respect.

Is Boba Fett still in the show? :)

I watched this week's episode and thought that despite my fears, Disney has become a good custodian of the Star Wars Universe. That one scene (spoilers!) with Mando talking to one person, and the two off in the distance was pretty amazing - seeing those people coming together on screen in one place.

... Emphasize the flaws

Seeing Ahsoka Tano and Luke Skywalker together was awesome. Especially when she said he sounded like his father. Everything Luke taught Grogu was repetition of what Yoda said, except he flipped the meaning of size not mattering implying the size of the person versus the size of an object.

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By: Andeddu to Moondog on Thu Feb 03 2022 05:29 pm

Re: Re: What's Everyone Watch
By: Moondog to Andeddu on Wed Feb 02 2022 11:30 pm

I attribute the change in Boba's character to be the result of facing dea then being "reborn" as part of a tribal social unit. In the flashbacks a child, he would see Jango flying off, then later on filling his shoes (an costume) living a life on anger and brutality to others. He realizes his life before was empty, and learned from the Sand people he could be happy a society with mutual earned trust and respect.

I just think they should have expanded upon the tribe a little more as once Fett became an honorary Tuskan himself, the entire tribe got immediately massacred. Some of the earlier episodes were only around 35 minutes long so minor extension could have added to the exposition. I reckon my complaint is that Mando behaves more like Fett than Fett does. He is quiet and stoic wher Fett appears to talk far too much. It isn't a massive criticism on my part a like the series and I am glad they produced it.

I still haven't watched episode 6 so I'll hopefully get the chance to see it tonight.

I'm sure you'll enjoy it.It's crammed full of story, characters, and easter eggs for those who have followed Starw Wars on and off the screen.
Personally, I have seen only the films and the animated series such as Clone Wars, Rebels, and Bad Batch. In the Return of the Jedi there is an older
Rebel soldier in the team that takes the shield generator, and I find it humorous people have been calling him Rex, due to his white hair and beard resembling that of clone trooper Rex in Rebels.

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Re: Re: What's Everyone Watch
By: Andeddu to Moondog on Thu Feb 03 2022 05:35 pm

Re: Re: What's Everyone Watch
By: Moondog to Andeddu on Wed Feb 02 2022 11:35 pm

He knows how to delegate responsibility. Fennec is his enforcer, and onc he is established, she will be the face to face person handling his affai

Seems like in combat, she's far more proficient than him also. I honestly th he has been neutered a little bit. I guess some of the mystery has been remo with all his dialogue and the way he walks around a lot with his helmet off. is not quite as cool as I thought he was in Episodes 5-6.

He's no longer the employee. He's the boss. In order to do his job, he put
on his game face. As a leader trying to gain the trust of those who pay tribute to him, his game face is his face. People fear the armor. They respect the man.

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By: Andeddu to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Feb 03 2022 05:49 pm

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By: poindexter FORTRAN to Andeddu on Wed Feb 02 2022 06:50 am

Kitted-up vespa speeders on a rim world that's obviously at the tail end the supply runs, based on the overall look and feel of Tatooine.

I would like to see Luke's speeder appear in the background somewhere.

The entire American Grafitti vibe I got from those Vespas was so jarring. Th gang felt like they were shoe-horned in also... I could have done without th and their weird outfits.

It's part of the play on words that they're called Mods. They are not only cybernetically augmented, they also resemble the Mod subculture from the UK
in the 1960's. Their intent is to look like a bunch of pretty dandies, but they're not afraid to get their hands dirty.

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i'm not going to watch it because disney canceled that muscle chick.

Gina is back. Favreau has enough pull to bring her back.

Excellent news!

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By: Otto Reverse to Moondog on Fri Feb 04 2022 02:03 pm

i'm not going to watch it because disney canceled that muscle chick.

Gina is back. Favreau has enough pull to bring her back.

Excellent news!

it's not true.

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By: Moondog to Andeddu on Fri Feb 04 2022 08:54 am

I'm sure you'll enjoy it.It's crammed full of story, characters, and easter eggs for those who have followed Starw Wars on and off the screen. Personally, I have seen only the films and the animated series such as Clone Wars, Rebels, and Bad Batch. In the Return of the Jedi there is an older Rebel soldier in the team that takes the shield generator, and I find it humorous people have been calling him Rex, due to his white hair and beard resembling that of clone trooper Rex in Rebels.

I still haven't had the chance to eatch episode 6 of TBOBF but I should be able to see it later tonight. I have seen the first season of The Clone Wars. I liked it but haven't returned for season two as yet. If you haven't watched the animated series Resistance you should give it a try... I consider it to be severely underrated. Bad Batch was brilliant and I will probably watch it all again sometime. I was more into the novels and the computer games back when I was younger.

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By: Moondog to Andeddu on Fri Feb 04 2022 08:59 am

He's no longer the employee. He's the boss. In order to do his job, he put on his game face. As a leader trying to gain the trust of those who pay tribute to him, his game face is his face. People fear the armor. They respect the man.

I guess that's fair. I just found it a little jarring to get used to Boba's personality as I, and many other fans, thought he was going to be different and more meneacing... the type to rule with an iron fist.

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By: Moondog to Andeddu on Fri Feb 04 2022 09:04 am

It's part of the play on words that they're called Mods. They are not only cybernetically augmented, they also resemble the Mod subculture from the UK in the 1960's. Their intent is to look like a bunch of pretty dandies, but they're not afraid to get their hands dirty.

They're appear to be a totally new sub-culture in the Star Wars universe. I have never read anything about these Mods anywhere else and have not seen anything resembling them in previous movies, even in the places where you'd expect to see them, such as Coruscant. Everything appears to be a shade of beige in Tatooine so I found it bizarre to see such a colourful group of people in the Outer Rim. I haven't warmed to them at all and would have preferred to see Fett deal with the mayor's assistant himself by using his own methods, namely his jetback and rocket launcher.

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By: Otto Reverse to Moondog on Fri Feb 04 2022 02:03 pm

i'm not going to watch it because disney canceled that muscle chi

Gina is back. Favreau has enough pull to bring her back.

Excellent news!

it's not true.

We'll have to wait

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By: Andeddu to Moondog on Sat Feb 05 2022 02:51 pm

Re: Re: What's Everyone Watch
By: Moondog to Andeddu on Fri Feb 04 2022 08:54 am

I'm sure you'll enjoy it.It's crammed full of story, characters, and east eggs for those who have followed Starw Wars on and off the screen. Personally, I have seen only the films and the animated series such as Cl Wars, Rebels, and Bad Batch. In the Return of the Jedi there is an older Rebel soldier in the team that takes the shield generator, and I find it humorous people have been calling him Rex, due to his white hair and bear resembling that of clone trooper Rex in Rebels.

I still haven't had the chance to eatch episode 6 of TBOBF but I should be a to see it later tonight. I have seen the first season of The Clone Wars. I liked it but haven't returned for season two as yet. If you haven't watched animated series Resistance you should give it a try... I consider it to be severely underrated. Bad Batch was brilliant and I will probably watch it al again sometime. I was more into the novels and the computer games back when was younger.

I saw Resistance. I'm concerned that now Disney has their premium channel, their other channels are going to go stale from lack of new content.

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By: Andeddu to Moondog on Sat Feb 05 2022 02:54 pm

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By: Moondog to Andeddu on Fri Feb 04 2022 08:59 am

He's no longer the employee. He's the boss. In order to do his job, he on his game face. As a leader trying to gain the trust of those who pay tribute to him, his game face is his face. People fear the armor. They respect the man.

I guess that's fair. I just found it a little jarring to get used to Boba's personality as I, and many other fans, thought he was going to be different more meneacing... the type to rule with an iron fist.

It's been 5 years since ROTJ. I thnk he was content living among the Sand People and experienced the feeling of family for the first time in his life. Let's see if he can lead his own tribe under the same principals.

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By: Andeddu to Moondog on Sat Feb 05 2022 03:08 pm

Re: Re: What's Everyone Watch
By: Moondog to Andeddu on Fri Feb 04 2022 09:04 am

It's part of the play on words that they're called Mods. They are not on cybernetically augmented, they also resemble the Mod subculture from the in the 1960's. Their intent is to look like a bunch of pretty dandies, b they're not afraid to get their hands dirty.

They're appear to be a totally new sub-culture in the Star Wars universe. I have never read anything about these Mods anywhere else and have not seen anything resembling them in previous movies, even in the places where you'd expect to see them, such as Coruscant. Everything appears to be a shade of beige in Tatooine so I found it bizarre to see such a colourful group of peo in the Outer Rim. I haven't warmed to them at all and would have preferred t see Fett deal with the mayor's assistant himself by using his own methods, namely his jetback and rocket launcher.

The Mods are new to the universe as far as I can tell, too. I agree they fit in better in somewhere such as Coruscant or Nar Shaddah, however the spice trade appears to be doing well enough to draw scum and villiany from all over the galaxy.

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By: Moondog to MRO on Sat Feb 05 2022 08:26 pm

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By: Otto Reverse to Moondog on Fri Feb 04 2022 02:03 pm

i'm not going to watch it because disney canceled that muscle chi

Gina is back. Favreau has enough pull to bring her back.

Excellent news!

it's not true.

We'll have to wait

it depends on how the show does and how to new show does.
in an interview jon said disney wants her to play another character. which is kinda weird.

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The way it appears Tattooine is growing into a major link in the spice distribution chain. I imagine any group interested in getting a piece
of the action leaving their comfy cities in favor of going where the
money is.

Although they mentioned spice in the original trilogy, is bringing it to the forefront now a nice homage to Frank Herbert's Dune?

A lot of people implied that George Lucas was influenced, shall we say, and make comparisons to Arrakis/Paul/Muad'Dib and Tatooine/Luke, throwing an orange spice into the mix makes it even more evident.

They both ultimately owe a lot to Lawrence of Arabia.



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Re: Re: What's Everyone Watch
By: Moondog to Andeddu on Sat Feb 05 2022 08:29 pm

I saw Resistance. I'm concerned that now Disney has their premium channel, their other channels are going to go stale from lack of new content.

I never did watch much Disney content until Disney+ arrived. When I say Disney content, I actually mean Star Wars and Marvel though. I remember the original Disney Channel on satellite TV when I was a kid... loved all the old animated cartoons such as Aladdin, Darkwing Duck, Gargoyles along with all the rest.

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Re: Re: What's Everyone Watch
By: Moondog to Andeddu on Sat Feb 05 2022 08:32 pm

It's been 5 years since ROTJ. I thnk he was content living among the Sand People and experienced the feeling of family for the first time in his life. Let's see if he can lead his own tribe under the same principals.

Yeah, I enjoyed seeing the Sand People tribe. I knew most of them were't complete savages after playing Knight of the Old Republic and learning about their culture and how they were oppressed by the galaxy-spanning mining organisation Czerka Corporation.

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By: MRO to Moondog on Sun Feb 06 2022 01:36 am

it depends on how the show does and how to new show does.
in an interview jon said disney wants her to play another character. which is kinda weird.

Pretty weird indeed... that is, unless she plays as a non-human such as a Twi'lek.

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By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Fri Feb 04 2022 06:56 am

Moondog wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

The way it appears Tattooine is growing into a major link in the spice distribution chain. I imagine any group interested in getting a piece of the action leaving their comfy cities in favor of going where the money is.

Although they mentioned spice in the original trilogy, is bringing it to the forefront now a nice homage to Frank Herbert's Dune?

A lot of people implied that George Lucas was influenced, shall we say, and make comparisons to Arrakis/Paul/Muad'Dib and Tatooine/Luke, throwing an orange spice into the mix makes it even more evident.

They both ultimately owe a lot to Lawrence of Arabia.

... Think of the radio

Spice was mentioned in the original trilogy, as in forcing people to work in the spice mines of Kessel. That's why Han was in such trouble for dumping a shipment of spice to avoid arrest.

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Re: Re: What's Everyone Watch
By: Moondog to Andeddu on Sat Feb 05 2022 08:32 pm

It's been 5 years since ROTJ. I thnk he was content living among the San People and experienced the feeling of family for the first time in his li Let's see if he can lead his own tribe under the same principals.

Yeah, I enjoyed seeing the Sand People tribe. I knew most of them were't complete savages after playing Knight of the Old Republic and learning about their culture and how they were oppressed by the galaxy-spanning mining organisation Czerka Corporation.

Personally, something I hate from the new Disney guys is that they are turning everybody into an oppressed faction.

In Captain Marvel, they turned the fucking Skrulls into an oppressed group. You know, the Skrulls? The genocidal extraterrestrial maniacs? Well, thanks to Disney they are now another oppressed group.

It is starting to feel like they are trying to turn everything into My Little Pony, in which the bad guys can be made repent and be good again after a song and a group hug. Except that suits MLP but not a space opera.

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Re: Re: What's Everyone Watch
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Fri Feb 04 2022 06:56 am

Moondog wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

The way it appears Tattooine is growing into a major link in the spice distribution chain. I imagine any group interested in getting a piece of the action leaving their comfy cities in favor of going where the money is.

Although they mentioned spice in the original trilogy, is bringing it to the forefront now a nice homage to Frank Herbert's Dune?

A lot of people implied that George Lucas was influenced, shall we say, and make comparisons to Arrakis/Paul/Muad'Dib and Tatooine/Luke, throwing an orange spice into the mix makes it even more evident.

They both ultimately owe a lot to Lawrence of Arabia.

I'm not as familiar with Star Wars as I am with what is my favourite Sci Fi book, Dune, but there is a very important difference between the two.

Paul Atreides is not like Luke, in that Paul becomes the reason for a bloody and destructive Jihad. Paul isn't actually a saviour, but the product of zealotry and blind faith a leader, whereas Luke is genuinely a "good guy" hero.

Frank intended for Paul to serve as an example for why we shouldn't put all our trust in a leader figure, and how dangerous such a thing can be.

Dune Messiah explores this more, which is the follow up to Dune. In some ways, to really understand Dune, you need to read Dune Messiah.

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Re: Re: What's Everyone Watch
By: Andeddu to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Feb 07 2022 01:08 am

Re: Re: What's Everyone Watching?
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Andeddu on Fri Feb 04 2022 06:53 am

It reminded me of the William Gibson/Neal Stephenson cyberpunk worlds, or one of them had written "Hackers". Again, doesn't fit into the rim world trope.

They don't appear to be natives nor do they seem to have a legitimate place Tatooine other than being a gang of ruffians. It's a bit of a strange design choice to include them, but nevermind... they are canon now.

Spice trade brings all the weirdos to where it's flowing.

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Re: Re: What's Everyone Watch
By: Arelor to Andeddu on Mon Feb 07 2022 03:05 am

Personally, something I hate from the new Disney guys is that they are turning everybody into an oppressed faction.

In Captain Marvel, they turned the fucking Skrulls into an oppressed group. You know, the Skrulls? The genocidal extraterrestrial maniacs? Well, thanks to Disney they are now another oppressed group.

It is starting to feel like they are trying to turn everything into My Little Pony, in which the bad guys can be made repent and be good again after a song and a group hug. Except that suits MLP but not a space opera.

Disney have been injecting their brand of progressive politics into Star Wars since they acquired the franchise. The spin-off movies and TV shows aren't as bad as the main movies. This is the reason episodes 7-9 are not going to age well.

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Disney have been injecting their brand of progressive politics into Star Wars since they acquired the franchise. The spin-off movies and TV shows aren't as bad as the main movies. This is the reason episodes 7-9 are not going to age well.

I remember how hopeful people were after "Rogue One" was released.

I have not seen 8 and 9, but I feel like 7 won't age well because it really felt more like a repackaging/retelling of "A New Hope" with different characters than it did a new chapter of the saga.


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Re: Re: What's Everyone Watch
By: Dumas Walker to ANDEDDU on Wed Feb 09 2022 04:16 pm

I remember how hopeful people were after "Rogue One" was released.

I have not seen 8 and 9, but I feel like 7 won't age well because it really felt more like a repackaging/retelling of "A New Hope" with different characters than it did a new chapter of the saga.

Rogue One was actually good compared to Episode 7 which, as you said, is a rehash of ANH. Episodes 8 and 9 retcon a lot of the established physics and lore of the universe and often falls into the realm of complete incomprehensible farce. Avoid ever viewing them if you can. You can sense a hatred for the much loved original trilogy in the Disney movies as they killed off and ridiculed those characters one by one. Kylo Ren summed it up perfectly when he said "Let the past die. Kill it if you have to."

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Re: Re: What's Everyone Watch
By: Andeddu to Dumas Walker on Thu Feb 10 2022 19:02:24

Rogue One was actually good compared to Episode 7 which, as you said, is a rehash of ANH. Episodes 8 and 9 retcon a lot of the established physics and lore of the universe and often falls into the realm of complete incomprehensible farce. Avoid ever viewing them if you can. You can sense a hatred for the much loved original trilogy in the Disney movies as they killed off and ridiculed those characters one by one. Kylo Ren summed it up perfectly when he said "Let the past die. Kill it if you have to."

I don't get very involved in my analysis for the Star Wars movies, but I am a lifelong fan as far as episode 1-6 are concerned. They just seem to have a quality and consistency that the later episodes, spinoffs, and whatnot do not. Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy the new stories from Disney, but for me everything outside of 1-6 are distinctly different.

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Re: Re: What's Everyone Watch
By: SYS64738 to Andeddu on Thu Feb 10 2022 10:55 pm

Re: Re: What's Everyone Watch
By: Andeddu to Dumas Walker on Thu Feb 10 2022 19:02:24

Rogue One was actually good compared to Episode 7 which, as you said, is rehash of ANH. Episodes 8 and 9 retcon a lot of the established physics a lore of the universe and often falls into the realm of complete incomprehensible farce. Avoid ever viewing them if you can. You can sense hatred for the much loved original trilogy in the Disney movies as they killed off and ridiculed those characters one by one. Kylo Ren summed it perfectly when he said "Let the past die. Kill it if you have to."

I don't get very involved in my analysis for the Star Wars movies, but I am
do enjoy the new stories from Disney, but for me everything outside of 1-6

eps 7-9 were visually appealing, but their stories sucked. 9th movie was
total letdown. conitnuity issues regarding how powerful the emperor was

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Rogue One was actually good compared to Episode 7 which, as you said, is a rehash of ANH. Episodes 8 and 9 retcon a lot of the established physics and lore of the universe and often falls into the realm of complete incomprehensible farce. Avoid ever viewing them if you can. You can sense a hatred for the much loved original trilogy in the Disney movies as they killed
off and ridiculed those characters one by one. Kylo Ren summed it up perfectly
when he said "Let the past die. Kill it if you have to."

Makes you wonder why they wanted it if they were just going to ruin the original storyline? I know the answer... $$$ ... but still.

Something similar happened when Chris Chinball got hold of Dr. Who. It got
a little more "woke" than it had been, which I was ok with, but then they retconned a lot of the established history of the Doctor. Fans in various forums on the internet have even suggested that the next show runner, who
was the original showrunner for the revived series, might want to just have
the previous Doctor wake as if from a dream in order to erase the whole Chinball era and reset the canon back to where it was before he mucked it
all up.


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Boraxman wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Dune Messiah explores this more, which is the follow up to Dune. In
some ways, to really understand Dune, you need to read Dune Messiah.

Agreed, the similarities are more superficial, especially given that the
Dune universe emcompasses thousands of years of storyline.


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Re: Re: What's Everyone Watch
By: SYS64738 to Andeddu on Thu Feb 10 2022 10:55 pm

I don't get very involved in my analysis for the Star Wars movies, but I am a lifelong fan as far as episode 1-6 are concerned. They just seem to have a quality and consistency that the later episodes, spinoffs, and whatnot do not. Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy the new stories from Disney, but for me everything outside of 1-6 are distinctly different.

I have the same kind of feeling for Episodes 1-6 and feel as though the prequel trilogy is as good as the original, but in a different way. Episodes 7-9 are devoid of any Star Wars magic and feel like nothing more than cash-ins. I do like The Mandolorian and TBOBF though along with some of the animated stuff.

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Re: Re: What's Everyone Watch
By: Dumas Walker to ANDEDDU on Fri Feb 11 2022 03:30 pm

Makes you wonder why they wanted it if they were just going to ruin the original storyline? I know the answer... $$$ ... but still.

Something similar happened when Chris Chinball got hold of Dr. Who. It got a little more "woke" than it had been, which I was ok with, but then they retconned a lot of the established history of the Doctor. Fans in various forums on the internet have even suggested that the next show runner, who was the original showrunner for the revived series, might want to just have the previous Doctor wake as if from a dream in order to erase the whole Chinball era and reset the canon back to where it was before he mucked it all up.

It's about injecting a new belief system into our culture. They did the same with Ghost Busters, Terminator, James Bond, Men in Black ,etc... all the woke movies ended up bombing on release and then the directors/writers and producers blamed the fans. I am aware of the Dr Who retcon on his origins and it's appalling. They should remove the last couple of seasons and make them "just a dream" to being back 90% of the fans who have ditched the show.

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Re: Re: What's Everyone Watch
By: Andeddu to Dumas Walker on Sun Feb 13 2022 01:29 am

Re: Re: What's Everyone Watch
By: Dumas Walker to ANDEDDU on Fri Feb 11 2022 03:30 pm

Makes you wonder why they wanted it if they were just going to ruin the original storyline? I know the answer... $$$ ... but still.

Something similar happened when Chris Chinball got hold of Dr. Who. It g a little more "woke" than it had been, which I was ok with, but then they retconned a lot of the established history of the Doctor. Fans in variou forums on the internet have even suggested that the next show runner, who was the original showrunner for the revived series, might want to just ha the previous Doctor wake as if from a dream in order to erase the whole Chinball era and reset the canon back to where it was before he mucked it all up.

It's about injecting a new belief system into our culture. They did the same with Ghost Busters, Terminator, James Bond, Men in Black ,etc... all the wok movies ended up bombing on release and then the directors/writers and produc blamed the fans. I am aware of the Dr Who retcon on his origins and it's appalling. They should remove the last couple of seasons and make them "just dream" to being back 90% of the fans who have ditched the show.

This is a new religion attempting to rewrite pop-cultural heritage (and all culture and history) to fit the new belief system. This is Year Zero stuff.

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devoid of any Star Wars magic and feel like nothing more than cash-ins. I do like The Mandolorian and TBOBF though along with some of the animated stuff.

The Book of Bobba Fett is a good example of Disney's treatment of the
non-movie Star Wars cannon. IIRC, LucasFilms treated the "official"
novels, tv shows (i.e. Star Wars Clone Wars), etc., as cannon. When Disney took over, they announced that only the 6 films were cannon. I am not sure they even include the Clone Wars animated movie.

Bobba did escape the pit in those books, but I am not so certain that Disney didn't readjust Bib Fortuna's fate in order to tell their story of Fett.
I would have to see it to be sure and, as I don't have Disney+, I guess I
won't be. :)

SPOILER:

Did Fortuna become a brain walker in TBOBF?


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Re: Re: What's Everyone Watch
By: Dumas Walker to ANDEDDU on Fri Feb 11 2022 03:30 pm

Rogue One was actually good compared to Episode 7 which, as you said, is a rehash of ANH. Episodes 8 and 9 retcon a lot of the established physics an lore of the universe and often falls into the realm of complete incomprehensible farce. Avoid ever viewing them if you can. You can sense hatred for the much loved original trilogy in the Disney movies as they ki off and ridiculed those characters one by one. Kylo Ren summed it up perfe when he said "Let the past die. Kill it if you have to."

Makes you wonder why they wanted it if they were just going to ruin the original storyline? I know the answer... $$$ ... but still.

Something similar happened when Chris Chinball got hold of Dr. Who. It got a little more "woke" than it had been, which I was ok with, but then they retconned a lot of the established history of the Doctor. Fans in various forums on the internet have even suggested that the next show runner, who was the original showrunner for the revived series, might want to just have the previous Doctor wake as if from a dream in order to erase the whole Chinball era and reset the canon back to where it was before he mucked it all up.

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The opportunity that rose with Rogue One and eps 7-9 was they had an opportunity to draw in millions of Chinese viewers into the Star Wars universe.
Take into account the earlier movies didn't get any of much exposure in the Chinese cinema industry. The answer was to add a more diverse cast and some token well known Chinese actors that the audience can identify with to make
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Re: Re: What's Everyone Watch
By: Boraxman to Andeddu on Sun Feb 13 2022 06:55 pm

This is a new religion attempting to rewrite pop-cultural heritage (and all culture and history) to fit the new belief system. This is Year Zero stuff.

I don't even think they're doing it for the money. LOTR appears to be next on the woke chopping block... it's just pure vandalism at this stage -- the destruction of every piece of entertainment we ever loved.

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Re: Re: What's Everyone Watch
By: Dumas Walker to ANDEDDU on Sun Feb 13 2022 11:28 am

The Book of Bobba Fett is a good example of Disney's treatment of the non-movie Star Wars cannon. IIRC, LucasFilms treated the "official"
novels, tv shows (i.e. Star Wars Clone Wars), etc., as cannon. When Disney took over, they announced that only the 6 films were cannon. I am not sure they even include the Clone Wars animated movie.

Bobba did escape the pit in those books, but I am not so certain that Disney didn't readjust Bib Fortuna's fate in order to tell their story of Fett.
I would have to see it to be sure and, as I don't have Disney+, I guess I won't be. :)

SPOILER:

Did Fortuna become a brain walker in TBOBF?

After watching Episode IX, I am not even sure Disney considered Episode VI canon!

I would be surprised if Disney gave consideration to anything in TCW as it would appear most of the writers have only the most rudimentary understanding of the universe and characters. There is talk of Bib Fortuna being the former daimyo after Jabba the Hutt... but that's all we hear of it.

The last episode of TBOBF was a massive let down. I would say that only 3/7 episodes were good with the rest being extremely mediocre.

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Re: Re: What's Everyone Watch
By: Dumas Walker to ANDEDDU on Sun Feb 13 2022 11:28 am

devoid of any Star Wars magic and feel like nothing more than cash-ins. I like The Mandolorian and TBOBF though along with some of the animated stuf

The Book of Bobba Fett is a good example of Disney's treatment of the non-movie Star Wars cannon. IIRC, LucasFilms treated the "official"
novels, tv shows (i.e. Star Wars Clone Wars), etc., as cannon. When Disney took over, they announced that only the 6 films were cannon. I am not sure they even include the Clone Wars animated movie.

Bobba did escape the pit in those books, but I am not so certain that Disney didn't readjust Bib Fortuna's fate in order to tell their story of Fett.
I would have to see it to be sure and, as I don't have Disney+, I guess I won't be. :)

SPOILER:

Did Fortuna become a brain walker in TBOBF?

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I doubt it. Fortuna was abad guy, but not a villain. He got his quick and sudden death he deserved.

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The opportunity that rose with Rogue One and eps 7-9 was they had an opportunity to draw in millions of Chinese viewers into the Star Wars universe
Take into account the earlier movies didn't get any of much exposure in the Chinese cinema industry. The answer was to add a more diverse cast and some token well known Chinese actors that the audience can identify with to make the films worth distributing in China.

Diverse, to a point. The lead male black character, for example, had to be removed from all posters and advertising in China, per request of their government.

I honestly don't feel that Episode 7 was any more diverse than previous chapters. I did not see the last two so maybe they were.


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SPOILER:

Did Fortuna become a brain walker in TBOBF?

I doubt it. Fortuna was abad guy, but not a villain. He got his quick and sudden death he deserved.

If he did not become a brain walker before Bobba escaped the Saralac and returned to the Palace/Monestary, then Disney did deviate from canon (which
was why I asked about that <grin>).


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On 2/1/22 08:29, Moondog wrote:

Gina is back. Favreau has enough pull to bring her back.

Will believe it when I actually see it on screen. Sorry for delayed
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On 2/2/22 21:30, Moondog wrote:

I attribute the change in Boba's character to be the result of facing death, then being "reborn" as part of a tribal social unit. In the flashbacks as a child, he would see Jango flying off, then later on filling his shoes (and costume) living a life on anger and brutality to others. He realizes his life before was empty, and learned from the Sand people he could be happy in a society with mutual earned trust and respect.

I think that is/was the intention, however they really didn't show it
well. This is a case where trying to do flashback jump cuts spliced in
just doesn't work well for evolving the character... would have been
better to just make the first 2-3 episodes serialized from coming out of
the sarlac (sp) pit, through to the destruction of the sand people tribe
he was with. Maybe intersperse that with flashbacks to his brutality
and childhood.

Then make the following 3-4 episodes in the "current" timeline of the inter-series setting. Also the mod-kids gang was just horrible... and
the final battle was too constrained.
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Re: Re: What's Everyone Watch
By: Tracker1 to Moondog on Fri Mar 25 2022 09:00 am

On 2/1/22 08:29, Moondog wrote:

Gina is back. Favreau has enough pull to bring her back.

Will believe it when I actually see it on screen. Sorry for delayed
reply, not on here nearly enough.

for some reason the disney execs really hate her. what she said wasnt bad, but i think they told her to stop and she still did it.

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