"Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
despite mainstream consumer shift.

"Located at 1172 Bay Street in Toronto at the base of a 1980s
luxury condominium tower, customers can walk into a time
machine to rent or buy their favourite movie for the weekend.
The location of the video store has been around for 40 years
and changed ownership in 1993 to Bay Street Video. Now, the
retailer is known to have the largest DVD collection in
Toronto.

"We are a very profitable store, we view ourselves as the
little store that could," says Dwayne Aylward, the Bay Street
Video store manager. "In this city, you see these types of
stores closing, and we are thriving. It really confuses people
when they find out we exist."

"Bay Street Video has close to 40,000 titles, a number you
can't find anywhere else.

"Customers can find newer movies, or you can buy an 80s classic
- there is something for everyone. Bay Street Video has the
largest collection in Toronto, and even possibly Canada says
Aylward. They offer thousands of titles in DVD, Blu-ray, and 4K
UltraHD.

"Video stores are becoming a dying industry and as streaming
services are on the rise, Bay Street Video is having a harder
time getting new releases on DVD.

"The biggest challenge is a lot of newer movies these days are
only available on streaming service," says Aylward. "People are
hearing about a movie, and we have to say that movie is only
available on Apple or Netflix. The hope is a company will get
the rights to the movie and put it out on DVD, but that is not
always the case."

More to the story, with some photos:

https://retail-insider.com/retail-insider/2022/06/highly- profitable-bay-street-video-store-in-toronto-thrives-despite- mainstream-consumer-shift-interview/

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Ogg to All on Sat Jun 18 2022 09:23 pm

"Video stores are becoming a dying industry and as streaming
services are on the rise, Bay Street Video is having a harder
time getting new releases on DVD.

"The biggest challenge is a lot of newer movies these days are
only available on streaming service," says Aylward. "People are
hearing about a movie, and we have to say that movie is only
available on Apple or Netflix. The hope is a company will get
the rights to the movie and put it out on DVD, but that is not
always the case."

This is a problem I am facing right now. Oftentimes you cannot purchase the DVD because it simply didn't get released at all.

Not that it matters much because new movies have a tendency to stink and not be worth the purchasing price anyway. However, sometimes you want to purchase a classic and you find out you can
only get it second hand as an old edition.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Arelor to Ogg on Mon Jun 20 2022 09:18 am

This is a problem I am facing right now. Oftentimes you cannot purchase the DVD because it simply didn't get released at all.

I still see a lot of movies and TV shows being released on DVD, and blu-ray. One thing that frustrates me though, is I've seen at least one thing released only on DVD and not blu-ray..

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Nightfox to Arelor on Mon Jun 20 2022 08:58 am

I still see a lot of movies and TV shows being released on DVD, and blu-ray.

Nightfox

That is still much better than when you find only the Blu-rays in the store but not the DVD...

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Arelor to Nightfox on Mon Jun 20 2022 05:21 pm

That is still much better than when you find only the Blu-rays in the store but not the DVD...

At this point, I'd prefer blu-ray over DVD. Why would I want a DVD version of something if it's also available on blu-ray?

Nightfox

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Nightfox to Arelor on Mon Jun 20 2022 08:58 am

I still see a lot of movies and TV shows being released on DVD, and blu-ray. One thing that frustrates me though, is I've seen at least one thing released only on DVD and not blu-ray..

what movie is that

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** On Monday 20.06.22 - 09:18, Arelor wrote to Ogg:

"The biggest challenge is a lot of newer movies these days
are only available on streaming service," says Aylward.
"People are hearing about a movie, and we have to say that
movie is only available on Apple or Netflix. The hope is a
company will get the rights to the movie and put it out on
DVD, but that is not always the case."

This is a problem I am facing right now. Oftentimes you
cannot purchase the DVD because it simply didn't get
released at all.

Is there a clear list of streamed films that have NOT been yet
made available on DVD for years?

Not that it matters much because new movies have a tendency
to stink and not be worth the purchasing price anyway.
However, sometimes you want to purchase a classic and you
find out you can only get it second hand as an old edition.

Give the folk at http://baystreetvideo.com/ a shout, and see
what they can do for you!


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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon Jun 20 2022 10:36 pm

I still see a lot of movies and TV shows being released on DVD, and
blu-ray. One thing that frustrates me though, is I've seen at least
one thing released only on DVD and not blu-ray..

what movie is that

A TV show - The Orville.

Nightfox

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Nightfox to MRO on Mon Jun 20 2022 10:43 pm

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon Jun 20 2022 10:36 pm

I still see a lot of movies and TV shows being released on DVD, and
blu-ray. One thing that frustrates me though, is I've seen at least
one thing released only on DVD and not blu-ray..

what movie is that

A TV show - The Orville.

okay i looked into this and apparently fox stated that it will not release television series in blu-ray due to licensing issues with streaming platforms.

you can DOWNLOAD them from a torrent site after buying the DVD and that might be semi-fairuse legal.

you can also 'buy' the hd episodes on itunes, google play, amazon prime and vodu.

it looks like the x-files is the last series they did in blu-ray.

I never jumped on the blu-ray bandwagon and i haven't used opticaldrives in over a decade.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: MRO to Nightfox on Tue Jun 21 2022 04:51 am

you can also 'buy' the hd episodes on itunes, google play, amazon prime and vodu.

I don't like buying movies/TV shows on online streaming platforms. I've heard of stories where people have bought content on those services and then they'd remove whatever they bought - so you could waste your money doing that. If I buy it on DVD or blu-ray, at least I have a copy that won't suddenly disappear.

Nightfox

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Nightfox to MRO on Tue Jun 21 2022 12:28 pm

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: MRO to Nightfox on Tue Jun 21 2022 04:51 am

you can also 'buy' the hd episodes on itunes, google play, amazon

prime
and vodu.

I don't like buying movies/TV shows on online streaming platforms. I've heard of stories where people have bought content on those services and then they'd remove whatever they bought - so you could waste your money doing that. If I buy it on DVD or blu-ray, at least I have a copy that won't suddenly disappear.

that shit is old news. dvd and bluray are done.
just download it.

all the streaming providers have some fine print that says:
"Your ability to stream or download Content may terminate if our licenses terminate, change or expire."

that's the way they are playing it now.
so do what i said. buy the content and then download it to save to home.
then you have physical copies.

the companies and service providers decided to make it this way and they weren't fought hard enough.


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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: MRO to Nightfox on Tue Jun 21 2022 04:03 pm

all the streaming providers have some fine print that says:
"Your ability to stream or download Content may terminate if our licenses terminate, change or expire."

that's the way they are playing it now.

the companies and service providers decided to make it this way and they weren't fought hard enough.

Too many people don't read the fine print and/or don't seem to care until it's too late.

Nightfox

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Nightfox to MRO on Tue Jun 21 2022 12:28 pm

I don't like buying movies/TV shows on online streaming platforms. I've heard of stories where people have bought content on those services and then they'd remove whatever they bought - so you could waste your money doing that. If I buy it on DVD or blu-ray, at least I have a copy that won't suddenly disappear.

Same here. I bought Bill & Ted Face the Music from Amazon when it came out. in hindsight, I should have just rented it. It's not like it's gone away, but now it's available to stream on Hulu and Amazon Prime, as well as available via Blu-Ray.

for a lot of stuff I'll just raise the jolly roger if I really want to watch something before it's on a streaming platform, or go to the movie theater and see it. I've got subscriptions to just about everything, so I don't feel remotely bad about it.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Nightfox to MRO on Tue Jun 21 2022 03:00 pm

that's the way they are playing it now.

the companies and service providers decided to make it this way and they weren't fought hard enough.

Too many people don't read the fine print and/or don't seem to care until it's too late.

people need to educate themselves. i'm sure this fine print is everywhere. torrentfreak.com is a great news site despite the weird name.

in the past a sony exec said you shouldn't backup your dvd or whatever to one copy. they said the price is so low you should just buy another.

they'll take whatever actions they feel like until they are brought into court over it. i believe the law used to be that you could make one backup copy. it could be that they lobbied some politician and now that's gone.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: DaiTengu to Nightfox on Tue Jun 21 2022 03:34 pm

Same here. I bought Bill & Ted Face the Music from Amazon when it came out. in hindsight, I should have just rented it. It's not like it's gone away, but now it's available to stream on Hulu and Amazon Prime, as well as available via Blu-Ray.

it was also a horrible movie! :D

for a lot of stuff I'll just raise the jolly roger if I really want to watch something before it's on a streaming platform, or go to the movie theater and see it. I've got subscriptions to just about everything, so I don't feel remotely bad about it.

it's been proven that the people who 'steal' music and movies are also usually the biggest spenders for physical copies or digital downloads.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: MRO to DaiTengu on Wed Jun 22 2022 03:23 am

Same here. I bought Bill & Ted Face the Music from Amazon when it came
out. in hindsight, I should have just rented it. It's not like it's
gone away, but now it's available to stream on Hulu and Amazon Prime,
as well as available via Blu-Ray.

it was also a horrible movie! :D

Meh, I liked it. It hit all the nostalgia buttons, and that made me happy.

it's been proven that the people who 'steal' music and movies are also usually the biggest spenders for physical copies or digital downloads.

I don't find that surprising.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Nightfox to Arelor on Mon Jun 20 2022 03:32 pm

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Arelor to Nightfox on Mon Jun 20 2022 05:21 pm

That is still much better than when you find only the Blu-rays in the store but not the DVD...

At this point, I'd prefer blu-ray over DVD. Why would I want a DVD version of some

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Because I don't have a blu-ray appliance and don't plan to get one?

They botched the Blu-ray release process too much at the begining and now I don't care
enough to jump ship. Certainly I don't have the motivation to upgrade my readers and
appliances of optical media, specially if I indend to watch the movies on an old
second hand TV set where the difference in quality is not going to be appreciated.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Ogg to Arelor on Mon Jun 20 2022 07:41 pm

Is there a clear list of streamed films that have NOT been yet
made available on DVD for years?

There is a difference between having been released on DVD and being readily available
in any form.

For example, the Silver Brumby series was released on DVD in a limited number of
regions and now it is hard to grab the whole series in DVD. Once you do, chances is
the DVDs won't work in your media appliances because they were released for a different region.

In other cases it is just that the number of DVDs released from the factory is just
small. My regular online DVD (Spanish) store runs out of popular DVDs quickly and once
they are out they don't renew them - probably because they are not on distribution
channels anymore.

The Bay Street people does not seem to like Tor. Their page is not loading XD

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Arelor to Nightfox on Fri Jun 24 2022 03:43 am

They botched the Blu-ray release process too much at the begining and now

How was the blu-ray process botched at the beginning?

Nightfox

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Nightfox to Arelor on Fri Jun 24 2022 09:12 am

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Arelor to Nightfox on Fri Jun 24 2022 03:43 am

They botched the Blu-ray release process too much at the begining and now

How was the blu-ray process botched at the beginning?

Nightfox

remember how i talk about cd rot all the time and you say you never experience it?
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=249210

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Nightfox to Arelor on Fri Jun 24 2022 09:12 am

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Arelor to Nightfox on Fri Jun 24 2022 03:43 am

They botched the Blu-ray release process too much at the begining an

How was the blu-ray process botched at the beginning?

Nightfox

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Long story short: the standard was vague enough that you could purchase a
movie distributed as a Blu-ray and not be able to play it on a commercial appliance the first years.

Also there was a lack of diversity of software players capable of coping
with it so if you had an old computer there was no incentive at all to take
the steps necessary to upgrade and install a Blu-Ray capable player when you could still consume DVDs or digital downloads.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Arelor to Nightfox on Fri Jun 24 2022 01:30 pm

Long story short: the standard was vague enough that you could purchase a movie distributed as a Blu-ray and not be able to play it on a commercial appliance the first years.

Also there was a lack of diversity of software players capable of coping with it so if you had an old computer there was no incentive at all to take the steps necessary to upgrade and install a Blu-Ray capable player when you could still consume DVDs or digital downloads.

that happened too. also they did weird shit with dvds.
my matrix dvd had issues playing.

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Hello Arelor!

** On Friday 24.06.22 - 03:43, Arelor wrote to Nightfox:

I don't care enough to jump ship. [...] specially if I
indend to watch the movies on an old second hand TV set
where the difference in quality is not going to be
appreciated.

You're still using a CRT-based TV?


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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Ogg to Arelor on Fri Jun 24 2022 07:54 pm

I don't care enough to jump ship. [...] specially if I
indend to watch the movies on an old second hand TV set
where the difference in quality is not going to be
appreciated.

You're still using a CRT-based TV?

I don't think he said anywhere he's using a CRT TV..?

Nightfox

Hello Nightfox!

** On Friday 24.06.22 - 23:19, Nightfox wrote to Ogg:

You're still using a CRT-based TV?

I don't think he said anywhere he's using a CRT TV..?

True. ..unless he meant the diff between HD LCD .vs. early
generation LCD screens.


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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Ogg to Nightfox on Sat Jun 25 2022 07:36 am

I don't think he said anywhere he's using a CRT TV..?

True. ..unless he meant the diff between HD LCD .vs. early
generation LCD screens.

That's what I interpreted it as. I remember some early LCD TVs being 720p (1280x720). And I'm not sure if there were older ones that had lower resolution than that..

Nightfox

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By: Nightfox to Ogg on Fri Jun 24 2022 11:19 pm

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Ogg to Arelor on Fri Jun 24 2022 07:54 pm

I don't care enough to jump ship. [...] specially if I
indend to watch the movies on an old second hand TV set
where the difference in quality is not going to be
appreciated.

You're still using a CRT-based TV?

I don't think he said anywhere he's using a CRT TV..?

Nightfox

old second hand TV is mentioned. That could go either way.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Ogg to Arelor on Fri Jun 24 2022 07:54 pm

Hello Arelor!

** On Friday 24.06.22 - 03:43, Arelor wrote to Nightfox:

I don't care enough to jump ship. [...] specially if I
indend to watch the movies on an old second hand TV set
where the difference in quality is not going to be
appreciated.

You're still using a CRT-based TV?

Damn, you caught me.

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Arelor wrote to Nightfox <=-

I still see a lot of movies and TV shows being released on DVD, and blu-ray.

That is still much better than when you find only the Blu-rays in the store but not the DVD...

That depends on a person's technology. If you have a BluRay player, then it's okay if it's only released on BluRay or only released on DVD, aside from the drastic loss of video quality for DVDs. However, if you have a DVD player, then BluRays do you no good at all.

With the ubiquity of inexpensive BluRay players, though, that's a problem that is resolving itself.




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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Arelor to Nightfox on Fri Jun 24 2022 03:43 am

They botched the Blu-ray release process too much at the begining and now I don't care enough to jump ship. Certainly I don't have the motivation to upgrade my readers and appliances of optical media, specially if I indend to watch the movies on an old second hand TV set where the difference in quality is not going to be appreciated.

I would argue that the second major format wars (the first behing VHS vs. Betamax, with Betamax being technically superior and unfortunately the loser) resulted in a pretty conclusive victory for the technically superior Blu-Ray over the craven proprietary HD-DVD format from Microsoft. Sony's triumph was pretty much complete by the mid 2000s.

That said, I would agree that if you haven't already invested in optical appliances, you've probably already missed the boat on 1080p and even 4K discs. And there's really no reason for this. You can invest in the digital format, and just skip optical media altogether. And this need not be streaming; you can download, save to cheap disk storage, and just watch on demand and push out to your devices using a super cheap "smart" video dongle like Fire TV or Google TV, or my preference, an Apple TV system.
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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Kaelon to Arelor on Mon Jul 04 2022 12:05 pm

I would argue that the second major format wars (the first behing VHS vs. Betamax, with Betamax being technically superior and unfortunately the loser) resulted in a pretty conclusive victory for the technically superior Blu-Ray over the craven proprietary HD-DVD format from Microsoft.

HD-DVD was mainly developed by Toshiba, I thought.. Microsoft just happened to support HD-DVD on their X-Box 360 by including the ability to play HD-DVD movies.

Nightfox

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Nightfox to Kaelon on Mon Jul 11 2022 11:18 am

HD-DVD was mainly developed by Toshiba, I thought.. Microsoft just happened to support HD-DVD on their X-Box 360 by including the ability to play HD-DVD movies.

You are somewhat correct. Toshiba was the chair of the HD-DVD Consortium, which also included 72 other companies, including Memory-Tec, NEC, Microsoft, and Sanyo.

That said, it's good that Blu-Ray won the format wars. Sony created a superior format in every way. HD-DVD could support a maximum of 30GB of data, whereas Blu-Ray supported over 50GB. The maximum bitrate of both formats is substantially different, as well, with HD-DVD capping out at around 29-35 Mbit/s, and Blu-Ray supporting between 40 and 53 Mbit/s.

The world is a better place because Blu-Ray won the format wars. But optical storage is now, largely, unnecessary given the ubiquity of fiber optic home internet service.
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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Kaelon to Nightfox on Mon Jul 11 2022 06:04 pm

That said, it's good that Blu-Ray won the format wars. Sony created a superior format in every way. HD-DVD could support a maximum of 30GB of data, whereas Blu-Ray supported over 50GB. The maximum bitrate of both formats is substantially different, as well, with HD-DVD capping out at around 29-35 Mbit/s, and Blu-Ray supporting between 40 and 53 Mbit/s.

Yeah, I remember reading about that. I agree it's good that blu-ray won that format war.

The world is a better place because Blu-Ray won the format wars. But optical storage is now, largely, unnecessary given the ubiquity of fiber optic home internet service.

I'm not sure I'd call optical formats unnecessary.. You can't always rely on your internet always working 100%, and same for a streaming service. Streaming services randomly pull content from their services too, so you can't even rely on something always being available to watch there. Those are a few of the reasons I still like to buy movies on physical formats.

Nightfox

Hello Kaelon!

** On Monday 11.07.22 - 18:04, Kaelon wrote to Nightfox:

[...] But optical storage is now, largely, unnecessary
given the ubiquity of fiber optic home internet service.
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In theory, yes. But there is another "largely" that doesn't
have the privilege of accessing fiber or other high-speed
internet in their homes. :/


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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Nightfox to Kaelon on Tue Jul 12 2022 09:09 am

The world is a better place because Blu-Ray won the format wars. But optical storage is now, largely, unnecessary given the ubiquity of fiber
optic home internet service.

I'm not sure I'd call optical formats unnecessary.. You can't always rely on your internet always working 100%,
s being available to watch there. Those are a few of the reasons I still like to buy movies on physical formats

The idea that everybody has fibre and therefore DVDs are not needed is very first worlder.

It takes me hours to download a Linux or BSD iso image from home. Meanwhile, picking a DVD I got from Linux
Magazine takes virtually no time.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Arelor to Nightfox on Tue Jul 12 2022 12:54 pm

I'm not sure I'd call optical formats unnecessary.. You can't always
rely on your internet always working 100%, s being available to watch
there. Those are a few of the reasons I still like to buy movies on
physical formats

The idea that everybody has fibre and therefore DVDs are not needed is very first worlder.

It takes me hours to download a Linux or BSD iso image from home. Meanwhile, picking a DVD I got from Linux Magazine takes virtually no time.

You're preaching to the chior. I agree.
What sucks is, the majority of people not buying optical media as much as they used to means that optical media isn't produced nearly as much as it used to be. There have been a couple movies released on 4K blu-ray that seem to be available in other countries but not where I live (I've purchased a couple from Amazon that were shipped from the UK).
Also, some stores in my area have completely removed their DVD and blu-ray movie shelves.
Although I do have high-speed internet, I don't want to rely on streaming services all the time to watch movies.

Nightfox

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Arelor to Nightfox on Tue Jul 12 2022 12:54 pm

The idea that everybody has fibre and therefore DVDs are not needed is very first worlder.

It takes me hours to download a Linux or BSD iso image from home. Meanwhile, picking a DVD I got from Linux Magazine takes virtually no time.

*points and laughs*

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Nightfox to Arelor on Tue Jul 12 2022 12:29 pm

seem to be available in other countries but not where I live (I've purchased a couple from Amazon that were shipped from the UK).
Also, some stores in my area have completely removed their DVD and blu-ray movie shelves.
Although I do have high-speed internet, I don't want to rely on streaming services all the time to watch movies.

why dont you? arent movies just a waste of physical space if they are on dvds?

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seem to be available in other countries but not where I live (I've purchased a couple from Amazon that were shipped from the UK).
Also, some stores in my area have completely removed their DVD and blu-ray movie shelves.
Although I do have high-speed internet, I don't want to rely on streaming services all the time to watch movies.

why dont you? arent movies just a waste of physical space if they
are on dvds?

The reasons have already been given. Are you not paying attention, or
what?

Since you're slow to understand, I'll repeat some of them for you:

1. The streaming service might pull (for many reasons) a title from
their inventory that you want to watch.

2. Your internet connection may be down for whatever reason.

3. Many older and specialty/niche films are not offered by streaming
service.

Here's a perfect real-world example: For those of us who live in
"hurricane country", we sometimes have power losses which last for
hours, days, and even a couple of weeks. Things get pretty boring
sitting around a house with no power (OR INTERNET). But.... assuming
one has a generator, you can power up a TV and a Blu-ray player, and
watch a fuckin movie that you have on disk.

You understand now, dummy?



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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: MRO to Nightfox on Tue Jul 12 2022 10:24 pm

Although I do have high-speed internet, I don't want to rely on
streaming services all the time to watch movies.

why dont you? arent movies just a waste of physical space if they are on dvds?

Online streaming services occasionally have problems (sometimes too many people watching, occasional buffering, etc.), and sometimes (though rarely) my own internet service might have issues.

Also, blu-ray offers a lot better video and audio quality than online streaming (which tends to compress things a lot).

For many years, I never heard anyone complain that DVDs are a "waste of space". I suppose people could say the same about books if they wanted to..

Nightfox

Hello Arelor!

** On Tuesday 12.07.22 - 12:54, Arelor wrote to Nightfox:

I'm not sure I'd call optical formats unnecessary.. You
can't always rely on your internet always working 100%, s
being available to watch there. Those are a few of the
reasons I still like to buy movies on physical formats

The idea that everybody has fibre and therefore DVDs are
not needed is very first worlder.

It's probably not so much first worlder than it is metropolitan
focused (ie making the assumption that everyone has the same
access to high-speed internet everywhere). Although.. a
ubiquitous satellite-based system could make it so.


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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed Jul 13 2022 09:16 am

why dont you? arent movies just a waste of physical space if they are on dvds?

Online streaming services occasionally have problems (sometimes too many people watching, occasional buffering, etc.), and sometimes (though rarely) my own internet service might have issues.

we are 100% streaming at this house. youtube, netflix, slingtv with all that stuff. it's working out great.

do you have that thing where you have an attachment to physical items?
i tossed all my dvds and cds out.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: MRO to Nightfox on Wed Jul 13 2022 03:42 pm

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed Jul 13 2022 09:16 am

why dont you? arent movies just a waste of physical space if they are on dvds?

Online streaming services occasionally have problems (sometimes too many people watching, occasional buffering, etc.), and sometimes (though rarely) my own internet service might have issues.

we are 100% streaming at this house. youtube, netflix, slingtv with all that stuff. it's working out great.

We are too. I went through all the trouble of getting an HDTV antenna mounted on the roof with an HDHomeRun to record OTA content (for my "Plex DVR"), but nobody here ever watched any of the live or recorded content. If we want to watch something that was on OTA/network TV (e.g. SNL), we end up streaming it from some service anyway.

do you have that thing where you have an attachment to physical items?
i tossed all my dvds and cds out.

I still have all the CDs and DVDs, but have stopped accumulating. Yeah, there is a weird human instinct to hold on to things that have no obvious/immediate use any longer and I'm sure eventually they'll get donated or trashed. But man, the $$$ we spent on those discs is pretty baffling.
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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: MRO to Nightfox on Wed Jul 13 2022 03:42 pm

we are 100% streaming at this house. youtube, netflix, slingtv with all that stuff. it's working out great.

Do you ever run into a problem with pulled content though? I've had times where I was watching a TV show that was included with the streaming service and then suddenly pulled it or started charging extra to "rent" or buy the episodes if I wanted to keep watching it.

do you have that thing where you have an attachment to physical items?
i tossed all my dvds and cds out.

I don't know what that is.. I just think it's more reliable to have my own copy of something. I don't think I'm attached to the things - I could also keep a copy of that stuff on a hard drive somewhere or on my Plex media server and I'd be happy with that.

Nightfox

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Digital Man to MRO on Wed Jul 13 2022 02:23 pm

we are 100% streaming at this house. youtube, netflix, slingtv with
all that stuff. it's working out great.

We are too. I went through all the trouble of getting an HDTV antenna mounted on the roof with an HDHomeRun to record OTA content (for my "Plex DVR"), but nobody here ever watched any of the live or recorded content. If we want to watch something that was on OTA/network TV (e.g. SNL), we end up streaming it from some service anyway.

Some of those shows on OTA TV, I'm not sure is available elsewhere. Sometimes I like to watch Jeopardy, Family Feud, local news, etc., which is available on OTA, but is that stuff on any online streaming service?

Another thing is that I feel like there are many separate streaming services now, and if I have to pay around $6 for each service, that adds up. If there's only one show I'd watch on their service, I'm not sure if it would be really worth it.

I still have all the CDs and DVDs, but have stopped accumulating. Yeah, there is a weird human instinct to hold on to things that have no obvious/immediate use any longer and I'm sure eventually they'll get donated or trashed. But man, the $$$ we spent on those discs is pretty baffling.

I wonder how that compares to the cost of monthly subscriptions for streaming services you'd pay each month.

Nightfox

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Wed Jul 13 2022 03:32 pm

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Digital Man to MRO on Wed Jul 13 2022 02:23 pm

we are 100% streaming at this house. youtube, netflix, slingtv with
all that stuff. it's working out great.

We are too. I went through all the trouble of getting an HDTV antenna mounted on the roof with an HDHomeRun to record OTA content (for my "Plex DVR"), but nobody here ever watched any of the live or recorded content. If we want to watch something that was on OTA/network TV (e.g. SNL), we end up streaming it from some service anyway.

Some of those shows on OTA TV, I'm not sure is available elsewhere. Sometimes I like to watch Jeopardy, Family Feud, local news, etc., which is available on OTA, but is that stuff on any online streaming service?

I assume it is... somewhere (there are so many), but my family hasn't ever asked for content they couldn't find streaming or online, so it just hasn't been a problem for us.

Another thing is that I feel like there are many separate streaming services now, and if I have to pay around $6 for each service, that adds up. If there's only one show I'd watch on their service, I'm not sure if it would be really worth it.

True. We only pay for Netflix, Hulu and Apple TV+ and that total I think is about $30/mo.

I still have all the CDs and DVDs, but have stopped accumulating. Yeah, there is a weird human instinct to hold on to things that have no obvious/immediate use any longer and I'm sure eventually they'll get donated or trashed. But man, the $$$ we spent on those discs is pretty baffling.

I wonder how that compares to the cost of monthly subscriptions for streaming services you'd pay each month.

We used to (especially in the early part of the century) buy at least 2-4 DVDs a month *and* pay for DirecTV (at $100+ a month), so we pay far less now and have way more content to choose from.
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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Wed Jul 13 2022 04:30 pm

We used to (especially in the early part of the century) buy at least 2-4 DVDs a month *and* pay for DirecTV (at $100+ a month), so we pay far less now and have way more content to choose from.

Makes sense.
I don't watch a whole lot of TV.. I don't have cable or any other type of premium TV, and the only streaming service I have is Amazon Prime - And I rarely watch anything there. When I do watch something, it's often something on OTA broadcast TV. Premium TV service and streaming services have so much content, and I don't really feel like watching TV enough for me to get my money's worth from them. Without the TV subscriptions, I suppose I can more easily buy an occasional movie or TV show (on optical disc or whatever). I haven't been buying content very often either - only when something comes out that I really want, which has been sporadic.

Nightfox

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Wed Jul 13 2022 04:57 pm

When I do watch something, it's often something on OTA broadcast TV.

Commercials and air-times/schedules prevent that from being a viable model in my household. I was doing the Plex DVR thing like I mentioned (and stripping commercials), but also like I said, nobody ended up watching the content.

I do watch live news shows when there's some extremely news-worthy event that I'm curious about (which is rare), but even that ends up coming from a streaming service usually (e.g. CNN or CNBC via Samsung TV+ or whatever they call that free thing that comes with Samsung sets).
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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Digital Man to MRO on Wed Jul 13 2022 02:23 pm

I still have all the CDs and DVDs, but have stopped accumulating. Yeah, there is a weird human instinct to hold on to things that have no obvious/immediate use any longer and I'm sure eventually they'll get donated or trashed. But man, the $$$ we spent on those discs is pretty baffling.

and i remember some artists were releasing small cds with short tracks and they were just as expensive. in this case i'd rather own the song than have the physical media.

if it's not owning it in their book it's probably fair use in some court's book.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed Jul 13 2022 03:28 pm

By: MRO to Nightfox on Wed Jul 13 2022 03:42 pm

we are 100% streaming at this house. youtube, netflix, slingtv with all that stuff. it's working out great.

Do you ever run into a problem with pulled content though? I've had times where I was watching a TV show that was included with the streaming service and then suddenly pulled it or started charging extra to "rent" or buy the

that sounds like you are watching a teaser episode and you have to pay more to get the rest.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Wed Jul 13 2022 03:32 pm

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Digital Man to MRO on Wed Jul 13 2022 02:23 pm

we are 100% streaming at this house. youtube, netflix, slingtv with
all that stuff. it's working out great.

We are too. I went through all the trouble of getting an HDTV antenna mounted on the roof with an HDHomeRun to record OTA content (for my "Plex DVR"), but nobody here ever watched any of the live or recorded content. If we want to watch something that was on OTA/network TV (e.g. SNL), we end up streaming it from some service anyway.

Some of those shows on OTA TV, I'm not sure is available elsewhere. Sometimes I like to watch Jeopardy, Family Feud, local news, etc., which is available on OTA, but is that stuff on any online streaming service?

it might be on pluto.tv

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: MRO to Nightfox on Wed Jul 13 2022 07:55 pm

Do you ever run into a problem with pulled content though? I've had
times where I was watching a TV show that was included with the
streaming service and then suddenly pulled it or started charging
extra to "rent" or buy the

that sounds like you are watching a teaser episode and you have to pay more to get the rest.

It wasn't. I think I was in the middle of the 5th season or something when they suddenly started charging extra for it.

Nightfox

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed Jul 13 2022 06:25 pm

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: MRO to Nightfox on Wed Jul 13 2022 07:55 pm

Do you ever run into a problem with pulled content though? I've had
times where I was watching a TV show that was included with the
streaming service and then suddenly pulled it or started charging
extra to "rent" or buy the

that sounds like you are watching a teaser episode and you have to pay more to get the rest.

It wasn't. I think I was in the middle of the 5th season or something when they suddenly started charging extra for it.

do you have the name of one of the shows and the season so i can pull it up

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Nightfox to Kaelon on Tue Jul 12 2022 09:09 am

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Kaelon to Nightfox on Mon Jul 11 2022 06:04 pm

That said, it's good that Blu-Ray won the format wars. Sony created a superior format in every way. HD-DVD could support a maximum of 30GB of data, whereas Blu-Ray supported over 50GB. The maximum bitrate of both formats is substantially different, as well, with HD-DVD capping out at around 29-35 Mbit/s, and Blu-Ray supporting between 40 and 53 Mbit/s.

Yeah, I remember reading about that. I agree it's good that blu-ray won tha

The world is a better place because Blu-Ray won the format wars. But optical storage is now, largely, unnecessary given the ubiquity of fibe optic home internet service.

I'm not sure I'd call optical formats unnecessary.. You can't always rely o ys being available to watch there. Those are a few of the reasons I still l

Nightfox

I heard ont he radio the other day Sony or some other film company was
pulling movies off of one of the gaming console's streaming services. Sad thing is there may be movies you have purchased and had stored locally on the console's drive.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: MRO to Nightfox on Tue Jul 12 2022 10:24 pm

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Nightfox to Arelor on Tue Jul 12 2022 12:29 pm

seem to be available in other countries but not where I live (I've purcha a couple from Amazon that were shipped from the UK).
Also, some stores in my area have completely removed their DVD and blu-ra movie shelves.
Although I do have high-speed internet, I don't want to rely on streaming services all the time to watch movies.

why dont you? arent movies just a waste of physical space if they are on dvd

movies on the cloud can easily disappear or be pulled by the serivce
provider. private servers can go down. When camping in a locaton
where cell service sucks, I can still watch a DVD or Blu Ray disc.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Ogg to Arelor on Wed Jul 13 2022 08:54 am

Hello Arelor!

** On Tuesday 12.07.22 - 12:54, Arelor wrote to Nightfox:

I'm not sure I'd call optical formats unnecessary.. You
can't always rely on your internet always working 100%, s
being available to watch there. Those are a few of the
reasons I still like to buy movies on physical formats

The idea that everybody has fibre and therefore DVDs are
not needed is very first worlder.

It's probably not so much first worlder than it is metropolitan
focused (ie making the assumption that everyone has the same
access to high-speed internet everywhere). Although.. a
ubiquitous satellite-based system could make it so.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: MRO to Nightfox on Wed Jul 13 2022 03:42 pm

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed Jul 13 2022 09:16 am

why dont you? arent movies just a waste of physical space if they ar on dvds?

Online streaming services occasionally have problems (sometimes too many people watching, occasional buffering, etc.), and sometimes (though rarel my own internet service might have issues.

we are 100% streaming at this house. youtube, netflix, slingtv with all that

do you have that thing where you have an attachment to physical items?
i tossed all my dvds and cds out.

No cable, fiber, wisp or dsl in my area. Cell data only. ATT's fixed rural b roadband apparently is not cell data, because they do not offer it on the
tower across the field from my house.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: MRO to Nightfox on Wed Jul 13 2022 03:42 pm

do you have that thing where you have an attachment to physical items?

Don't most humans?

Being overly possessive is, obviously, undesirable.
But there's nothing wrong with wanting to be able to physically touch things.

We're still animals, and we still like something that engages the senses.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Moondog to MRO on Thu Jul 14 2022 12:41 am

movies on the cloud can easily disappear or be pulled by the serivce provider. private servers can go down. When camping in a locaton
where cell service sucks, I can still watch a DVD or Blu Ray disc.

do you need a movie forever? i don't.
i have favorite movies but i dont watch them every year.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Margaerynne to MRO on Thu Jul 14 2022 08:08 am

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: MRO to Nightfox on Wed Jul 13 2022 03:42 pm

do you have that thing where you have an attachment to physical items?

Don't most humans?

i don't

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Another thing is that I feel like there are many separate streaming services n
, and if I have to pay around $6 for each service, that adds up. If there's o
y one show I'd watch on their service, I'm not sure if it would be really wort
it.

Despite the fact that cable has gone up, paying for all of the streaming services in order to get what I want to watch would be more expensive.
Now, some OTA networks are debuting shows straight to their streaming service.
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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Ogg to Arelor on Wed Jul 13 2022 08:54 am

The idea that everybody has fibre and therefore DVDs are
not needed is very first worlder.

It's probably not so much first worlder than it is metropolitan
focused (ie making the assumption that everyone has the same
access to high-speed internet everywhere). Although.. a
ubiquitous satellite-based system could make it so.

Satellite has two problems. First, latency sucks, so if you want to join one of those streams in which you chat in real time with the streamer, you are in for a rough ride. Second, satellite connectivity is too expensive for what they offer. Also most plans I could hire here have unworkable data caps.

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movies on the cloud can easily disappear or be pulled by the serivce provider. private servers can go down. When camping in a locaton
where cell service sucks, I can still watch a DVD or Blu Ray disc.

do you need a movie forever? i don't.

Yes.

i have favorite movies but i dont watch them every year.

I do.



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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: MRO to Moondog on Thu Jul 14 2022 10:29 am

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Moondog to MRO on Thu Jul 14 2022 12:41 am

movies on the cloud can easily disappear or be pulled by the serivce provider. private servers can go down. When camping in a locaton
where cell service sucks, I can still watch a DVD or Blu Ray disc.

do you need a movie forever? i don't.
i have favorite movies but i dont watch them every year.

Some films or shows I like to collect because they are not available online
or demand you to pay for each episode. I don't like the idea of "buying" a virtual copy, then have the service go out of business or pull that tile from it's library.

On VHS I have the original Star Wars trilogy from before Lucas
digitally "enhanced" the series, and did stupid things like making Greedo
shoot first. Some TV series did not transition well when going to
syndication or other forms of media distribution. A good example is the 1980' s war series Tour of Duty. That series had an awesome soundtrack consisting ocf several great songs from the Vietnam era. When they went into
syndication and to DVD, they couldn't get the rights to the origianl music,
or the IP owners wanted too much money. Imagine watching A Hard Days Night
and find all the Beatle's songs have been replaced with generic muzak?

I tried to find a service streaming the 1950's film To Hell and Back so my nephew could watch it, and we couldn't find a host.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Arelor to Ogg on Thu Jul 14 2022 05:44 pm

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Ogg to Arelor on Wed Jul 13 2022 08:54 am

The idea that everybody has fibre and therefore DVDs are
not needed is very first worlder.

It's probably not so much first worlder than it is metropolitan
focused (ie making the assumption that everyone has the same
access to high-speed internet everywhere). Although.. a
ubiquitous satellite-based system could make it so.

Satellite has two problems. First, latency sucks, so if you want to join one those streams in which you chat in real time with the streamer, you are in f a rough ride. Second, satellite connectivity is too expensive for what they offer. Also most plans I could hire here have unworkable data caps.

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Starlink is supposed to cure most of the problems with satellite. Latency is in the 20-30 ms range, and I've seen on Youtube videos where testers were getting a solid 180mb plus connection. Sure beats the 5mb down, 2 up Hughesnet with 600-700ms latency.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Nightfox to Arelor on Tue Jul 12 2022 12:29 pm

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Arelor to Nightfox on Tue Jul 12 2022 12:54 pm

I'm not sure I'd call optical formats unnecessary.. You can't always
rely on your internet always working 100%, s being available to watch
there. Those are a few of the reasons I still like to buy movies on
physical formats

The idea that everybody has fibre and therefore DVDs are not needed is very first worlder.

It takes me hours to download a Linux or BSD iso image from home. Meanwhile, picking a DVD I got from Linux Magazine takes virtually no time.

You're preaching to the chior. I agree.
What sucks is, the majority of people not buying optical media as much as they used to means that optical media isn't produced nearly as much as it used to be. There have been a couple movies released on 4K blu-ray that seem to be available in other countries but not where I live (I've purchased a couple from Amazon that were shipped from the UK).
Also, some stores in my area have completely removed their DVD and blu-ray movie shelves.
Although I do have high-speed internet, I don't want to rely on streaming services all the time to watch movies.

I don't mind buying digital if I get to keep the file. I've bought music off Bandcap. When you buy an album off bandcamp, you get to just download a FLAC or MP3 or OGG, which you can then burn to CD if need be, or simply play off whatever computer/player you can put the file on.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Moondog to Arelor on Fri Jul 15 2022 02:29 am

Starlink is supposed to cure most of the problems with satellite. Latency is
in the 20-30 ms range, and I've seen on Youtube videos where testers were getting a solid 180mb plus connection. Sure beats the 5mb down, 2 up Hughesnet
with 600-700ms latency.

I have hopes in Starlink, but so far it is labeled "beta" in my area. Given the nature
of my job I cannto afford to use something which the provider has not much faith for
at the moment.

I am currently negotiating with a local WISP which may increase my bandwidth to 100
megs. However they are still pending the licenses for deploying the new antennas. It
sucks because they are gonna be deploying that thing just for me and my family, and
therefore it is going to be expensive, but it will still be cheaper than rhe equivalent Starlink and it comes with contractual guarantees regarding the uptime of
the service.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed Jul 13 2022 03:28 pm

I don't know what that is.. I just think it's more reliable to have my own copy of something. I don't think I'm attached to the things - I could also keep a copy of that stuff on a hard drive somewhere or on my Plex media server and I'd be happy with that.

Nightfox

Sony have removed several movies from their digital store along with any ability for the user to re-download or stream them. I believe one such film is The Hunger Games which, even if you purchased it years ago, you will have no access to it going forward. If this is the reality of digital distribution, I would prefer to own hard copies of everything that I have paid money for.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Fri Jul 15 2022 02:33 pm

Sony have removed several movies from their digital store along with any ability for the user to re-download or stream them. I believe one such film is The Hunger Games which, even if you purchased it years ago, you will have no access to it going forward. If this is the reality of digital distribution, I would prefer to own hard copies of everything that I have paid money for.

Yeah, I have never actually bought a movie from a streaming service, and that's one of the reasons why. If I buy something, I like having my own so I can make sure it doesn't go anywhere.

Nightfox

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Arelor to Ogg on Thu Jul 14 2022 05:44 pm

Satellite has two problems. First, latency sucks, so if you want to join one those streams in which you chat in real time with the streamer, you are in f a rough ride. Second, satellite connectivity is too expensive for what they offer. Also most plans I could hire here have unworkable data caps.

Expensive, yes, but Starlink has licked the latency problem. And afaik no caps.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Moondog to MRO on Fri Jul 15 2022 02:25 am

I tried to find a service streaming the 1950's film To Hell and Back so my nephew could watch it, and we couldn't find a host.

you can download it from me
To Hell and Back 1955 1080p BluRay x264-GUACAMOLE

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Wed Jul 13 2022 03:32 pm

Another thing is that I feel like there are many separate streaming services now, and if I have to pay around $6 for each service, that adds up. If there's only one show I'd watch on their service, I'm not sure if it would be really worth it.

I wonder how that compares to the cost of monthly subscriptions for streaming services you'd pay each month.

Nightfox

They've increased the prices in the UK to around 10 USD per service. I pay 19 USD for my subscriptions per month. I remember being a Blockbuster member back in the day and continually renting DVDs... I suppose that cost me much the same as my current subscriptions.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: MRO to Moondog on Thu Jul 14 2022 10:29 am

do you need a movie forever? i don't.
i have favorite movies but i dont watch them every year.

I threw out most of my old DVDs years ago but kept some of the classics such as the original Star Wars Trilogy along with around 10 other movies that I didn't want to part with. I obviously haven't used the discs becuase most of those movies, along with Star Wars, are on either Netflix or Disney+. They are there just incase the internet goes down.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Thu Jul 14 2022 04:01 pm

Despite the fact that cable has gone up, paying for all of the streaming services in order to get what I want to watch would be more expensive.
Now, some OTA networks are debuting shows straight to their streaming service.
:(

I like to rotate between streaming services. I'll sign up with one for 2-3 months, watch a lot of the box sets and movies I want to see then move onto the next one for 2-3 months. I have had 2/3 services being paid for concurrently but it's a waste of money as I don't watch as much TV as most of the population.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Moondog to MRO on Fri Jul 15 2022 02:25 am

Some films or shows I like to collect because they are not available online or demand you to pay for each episode. I don't like the idea of "buying" a virtual copy, then have the service go out of business or pull that tile from it's library.

On VHS I have the original Star Wars trilogy from before Lucas
digitally "enhanced" the series, and did stupid things like making Greedo shoot first.

I had hundreds of VHS tapes but they all went into the trash because there was no way to really use them now that video recorders are completely archaic and rare to see. I cannot remember how long it has been since I saw an old VHS recorder. The one my parents had was put into storage but eventually disposed of because we had amassed a huge DVD collection. I now see that DVDs are going the same way as VHS tapes. I have limited room so I am unable to have too many vintage devices around. It's a shame because I would love to preserve some more old tech.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Andeddu to Moondog on Fri Jul 15 2022 02:58 pm

I had hundreds of VHS tapes but they all went into the trash because there was no way to really use them now that video recorders are completely archaic and rare to see. I cannot remember how long it has been since I saw

You'd be surprised how much people still watch VHS in the small/forest/mountain towns. Give your VHS tapes to the thrift stores in one of those.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Belly to Arelor on Fri Jul 15 2022 11:48 am

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Arelor to Ogg on Thu Jul 14 2022 05:44 pm

Satellite has two problems. First, latency sucks, so if you want to join those streams in which you chat in real time with the streamer, you are i a rough ride. Second, satellite connectivity is too expensive for what th offer. Also most plans I could hire here have unworkable data caps.

Expensive, yes, but Starlink has licked the latency problem. And afaik no ca

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In the reviews I've watched, latency was in the 20-30ms range, comparable to some cable. Download speeds were comparable with cable. So far they haven't seen a need for throttling or fair access policies

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Andeddu to MRO on Fri Jul 15 2022 02:46 pm

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: MRO to Moondog on Thu Jul 14 2022 10:29 am

do you need a movie forever? i don't.
i have favorite movies but i dont watch them every year.

I threw out most of my old DVDs years ago but kept some of the classics such the original Star Wars Trilogy along with around 10 other movies that I didn want to part with. I obviously haven't used the discs becuase most of those movies, along with Star Wars, are on either Netflix or Disney+. They are the just incase the internet goes down.

Before Disney+ I recall Disney would only release their classic stuff every couple of years, claiming you better get it now or you'll never know when
the next chance will come. In other words, the next time your girl can get
all the princess films, she will be too old to care about them.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Phigan to Andeddu on Sat Jul 16 2022 12:14 am

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Andeddu to Moondog on Fri Jul 15 2022 02:58 pm

I had hundreds of VHS tapes but they all went into the trash because ther was no way to really use them now that video recorders are completely archaic and rare to see. I cannot remember how long it has been since I s

You'd be surprised how much people still watch VHS in the small/forest/mount

I have a production grade VCR I took home from work when they were throwing
it out. It had very low hours on it. It's the type which has multiple
inputs and outputs, in the front and back. I use it for media transfer of
old tapes to digital files.

8 years ago one of my cousins passed away, and my aunt and uncle asked me to h elp sort through his stuff. and recover a bunch of receipts he had in pdf form at from his laptop. One of the items in the stash was a Betamax player, the sony with the top loading feature. There is a videotape in it full of old TV shows from the late 70's. He had an early camcorder (vhs) that was real
cool, except it is missing some proprietary cable and power supply. The main unit is a battery powered VCR that fits in a carry bag, and there's a video ca mera that plugs into it through a cable with a huge connector. You'd sling th e recorder over your shoulder when you used the camera on the move.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Nightfox to Kaelon on Tue Jul 12 2022 09:09 am

I'm not sure I'd call optical formats unnecessary.. You can't always rely on your internet always working 100%, and same for a streaming service. Streaming services randomly pull content from their services too, so you can't even rely on something always being available to watch there. Those are a few of the reasons I still like to buy movies on physical formats.

I don't disagree. But do we need to preserve optical formats with their limited storage capacity? Why not just all invest in cheap storage and set up NAS devices. QNAP has some great models, and that's what I've done - ripping all of my personal movies so that I don't have to insert discs anymore, and I just stream it on my own home network. No Internet needed. ;)
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I like to rotate between streaming services. I'll sign up with one for 2-3 months, watch a lot of the box sets and movies I want to see then move onto th
next one for 2-3 months. I have had 2/3 services being paid for concurrently but it's a waste of money as I don't watch as much TV as most of the population.

A work friend of mine was trying to talk me into doing something like that.
He apparently signs up for Hulu whenever they have a free first month
deal, watches all of the new episodes of the show he wants to see ("Letterkenny"), and then ditches it before he gets charged.

As I don't usually enjoy binge watching, I would figure I would try that
and not get through half of the new season of whatever (like "The Expanse"!) before I started getting charged.


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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Boraxman to Nightfox on Fri Jul 15 2022 08:57 pm

I don't mind buying digital if I get to keep the file. I've bought music off Bandc
you can put the file on.

Similar here. I prefer to buy physical if available, but some goods are not worth
getting a hard copy off. A DRM free file suffices for lots of items, such as RPG
adventures distributed as 4-pages PDFs...

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Andeddu to Moondog on Fri Jul 15 2022 02:58 pm

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Moondog to MRO on Fri Jul 15 2022 02:25 am

Some films or shows I like to collect because they are not available online
or demand you to pay for each episode. I don't like the idea of "buying" a
virtual copy, then have the service go out of business or pull that tile from it's library.

On VHS I have the original Star Wars trilogy from before Lucas
digitally "enhanced" the series, and did stupid things like making Greedo shoot first.

I had hundreds of VHS tapes but they all went into the trash because there was
no way to really use them now that video recorders are completely archaic and
rare to see. I cannot remember how long it has been since I saw an old VHS recorder. The one my parents had was put into storage but eventually disposed
of because we had amassed a huge DVD collection. I now see that DVDs are going
the same way as VHS tapes. I have limited room so I am unable to have too many
vintage devices around. It's a shame because I would love to preserve some more
old tech.

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I saw the writing on the wall with VCRs and converted most of my VHS to digital formats using an old VCR and avideo capture module. Most of the movies that were
actually worth it I got in DVD format too, since VHS was not that great.


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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Moondog to Andeddu on Sat Jul 16 2022 12:51 am

Before Disney+ I recall Disney would only release their classic stuff every couple of years, claiming you better get it now or you'll never know when the next chance will come. In other words, the next time your girl can get all the princess films, she will be too old to care about them.

They called it The Disney Vault. It is a textbook example of generating artificial
scarcity to overblow the price of your products.

The idea is that they only released the classics once every 20 years or so, and then
they locked them in The Vault. That way, they could release the movies as novelties
each time they did, and they would be completely new for each generation of kids.

Moviemakers know they make much more money from the first days after a theatrical
release than they do from long term royalties and DVD sales.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Kaelon to Nightfox on Sat Jul 16 2022 09:21 am

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Nightfox to Kaelon on Tue Jul 12 2022 09:09 am

I'm not sure I'd call optical formats unnecessary.. You can't always rely
on your internet always working 100%, and same for a streaming service. Streaming services randomly pull content from their services too, so you can't even rely on something always being available to watch there. Those
are a few of the reasons I still like to buy movies on physical formats.

I don't disagree. But do we need to preserve optical formats with their limited st
so that I don't have to insert discs anymore, and I just stream it on my own home
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I have had this same conversation elsewhere.

Your regular IT Microchiphead has the discipline required to sotre everything in a NAS
and take the necessary steps to make sure the data will last as long as the IT Microchiphead.

Most people does not have the discipline required.

Meanwhile, a commercial DVD is likely to work for long without any special attention
as long as you keep a functioning DVD appliance around. Most digital iliterates understand that concept, and that is why comercial disks are a better aproach for
them.

I agree that a movie has better chances of surviving half a century if it is stored in
a SAN cluster, equiped with a tape robot and with regular integrity checks running in
the background. However, good luck making regular people set that up...

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Andeddu wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

I like to rotate between streaming services. I'll sign up with one for
2-3 months, watch a lot of the box sets and movies I want to see then
move onto the next one for 2-3 months.

That's a great way of doing it, and makes the most of the streaming model. With cable, it was a pain to add/subtract channels, and they always bundled them to make changing plans difficult.

My mom had always had problems trying to reduce services to cut costs -
they'd come up with a calculation to show she'd pay more without HBO.

I started managing her contracts, and suddenly she's saving money on a plan they "conveniently" found to offer to loyal customers.




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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Kaelon to Nightfox on Sat Jul 16 2022 09:21 am

I don't disagree. But do we need to preserve optical formats with their limited storage capacity? Why not just all invest in cheap storage and set up NAS devices. QNAP has some great models, and that's what I've done - ripping all of my personal movies so that I don't have to insert discs anymore, and I just stream it on my own home network. No Internet needed. ;)

I agree. And after a while, when optical disc formats started to decline, I wondered if they'd start selling movies on USB flash drives instead. But of course, that hasn't happened.. They still want to be able to control how we watch the content and try to prevent people from making copies of it.

I've ripped some of my movies - Not all, but some, and put them on my Plex media server. Eventually, I think it would probably be good to just rip them all and buy a USB hard drive to back them up onto.

Nightfox

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Nightfox to Kaelon on Sat Jul 16 2022 04:09 pm

I agree. And after a while, when optical disc formats started to decline, I wondered if they'd start selling movies on USB flash drives instead. But of course, that hasn't happened.. They still want to be able to control how we watch the content and try to prevent people from making copies of it.

When I was working at Broadcom, one of our device functions was a memory card (e.g. SD Card) reader/writer, and the word from the marketing dept. was that Hollywood was going to start distributing or renting movies on SD Cards. I don't think that every transpired, but there were companies definitely planning to do so.
https://www.michaelsinsight.com/2009/11/blockbuster-looks-to-distribute-movies-on-sd-memory-cards.html

In any case, I think they could've distributed DRM-movies on USB flash drives or SD Card if they really wanted to.
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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Sat Jul 16 2022 05:19 pm

When I was working at Broadcom, one of our device functions was a memory card (e.g. SD Card) reader/writer, and the word from the marketing dept. was that Hollywood was going to start distributing or renting movies on SD Cards. I don't think that every transpired, but there were companies definitely planning to do so. https://www.michaelsinsight.com/2009/11/blockbuster-looks-to-distribute-mo vies-on-sd-memory-cards.html

In any case, I think they could've distributed DRM-movies on USB flash drives or SD Card if they really wanted to.

Interesting.. I didn't realize the industry was close to doing that.

I've bought some movies on blu-ray & DVD that have a code where you can redeem an online digital streaming version. I've noticed some of those let you download the movie locally, but the ones I've redeemed seem to be DRM-protected and only playable in the app it was downloaded with.

Nightfox

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Arelor to Kaelon on Sat Jul 16 2022 12:26 pm

Your regular IT Microchiphead has the discipline required to sotre everything in a NAS and take the necessary steps to make sure the data will last as long as the IT Microchiphead.

Most people does not have the discipline required.

Meanwhile, a commercial DVD is likely to work for long without any special attention as long as you keep a functioning DVD appliance around. Most digital iliterates understand that concept, and that is why comercial disks are a better aproach for them.

I agree that a movie has better chances of surviving half a century if it is stored in a SAN cluster, equiped with a tape robot and with regular integrity checks running in the background. However, good luck making regular people set that up...

I don't disagree that for -archival- purposes, optical disc formats probably have a longer staying power than properly configured RAID arrays on NAS devices. But from a utility perspective, optical media is still a pain in the ass. If we're concerned about people not knowing how to manage entire ecosystems, then at least give people movies on SSD or USB drives that can interface seamlessly with most TVs. Many modern TV's have built-in decoders, whereas optical readers (DVD players and Blu-Ray players) continue to support the nonsense of "region codes," and other such proprietary flotsam.
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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Nightfox to Kaelon on Sat Jul 16 2022 04:09 pm

I've ripped some of my movies - Not all, but some, and put them on my Plex media server. Eventually, I think it would probably be good to just rip them all and buy a USB hard drive to back them up onto.

We're the same person. ;) And I, too, assumed that flash-disks or USB drives would have gone mainstream and replaced optical drives, but the entertainment industry is obsessed with digital rights management and getting all of the TV manufacturers to align on the same proprietary format would be madness. So, today, pretty much every TV can decode every format via USB inserted media, but if a publisher or distributor wants DMR, they're fresh out of luck.

Considering optical media starts to decay in around 20 years, this is no longer a theoretical. Any DVD or Blu-Ray purchased at the start of the millenium is nearing its end-of-life. Best to rip it soon before quality begins to decline.
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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Kaelon to Nightfox on Sat Jul 16 2022 09:21 am

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Nightfox to Kaelon on Tue Jul 12 2022 09:09 am

I'm not sure I'd call optical formats unnecessary.. You can't always rel on your internet always working 100%, and same for a streaming service. Streaming services randomly pull content from their services too, so you can't even rely on something always being available to watch there. Thos are a few of the reasons I still like to buy movies on physical formats.

I don't disagree. But do we need to preserve optical formats with their lim s so that I don't have to insert discs anymore, and I just stream it on my o _____
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Digital backups need to be maintained / replaced and hardware requires
upgrades as capacities increase and older firmware no longer
supports newer drive media and speeds. If kept stored properly, the optical media (factory manufactured) should stay intact. No need to change codecs or storage formats as time goes by.

At one site I worked at, a sales guy pulled out some old CD's he burned in
the early 2000's and wanted files moved over to the network. the laptops we issue no longer had CD or DVD drives. Anyways, the files he wanted were scanned in a proprietary format the scanner software he used in the late 1990's. We got lucky and found in our software repository a program that
would read the format, but it had to be run on a virtual machine. By the
time we recovered the document andpreserved it to a pdf file, he could've original documents pulled from the long term storage site.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Dumas Walker to ANDEDDU on Sat Jul 16 2022 09:37 am

I like to rotate between streaming services. I'll sign up with one for 2-3 months, watch a lot of the box sets and movies I want to see then move ont next one for 2-3 months. I have had 2/3 services being paid for concurrent but it's a waste of money as I don't watch as much TV as most of the population.

A work friend of mine was trying to talk me into doing something like that.
He apparently signs up for Hulu whenever they have a free first month
deal, watches all of the new episodes of the show he wants to see ("Letterkenny"), and then ditches it before he gets charged.

As I don't usually enjoy binge watching, I would figure I would try that
and not get through half of the new season of whatever (like "The Expanse"!) before I started getting charged.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Arelor to Andeddu on Sat Jul 16 2022 12:18 pm

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Andeddu to Moondog on Fri Jul 15 2022 02:58 pm

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Moondog to MRO on Fri Jul 15 2022 02:25 am

Some films or shows I like to collect because they are not available o or demand you to pay for each episode. I don't like the idea of "buyi virtual copy, then have the service go out of business or pull that ti from it's library.

On VHS I have the original Star Wars trilogy from before Lucas digitally "enhanced" the series, and did stupid things like making Gre shoot first.

I had hundreds of VHS tapes but they all went into the trash because ther no way to really use them now that video recorders are completely archaic rare to see. I cannot remember how long it has been since I saw an old VH recorder. The one my parents had was put into storage but eventually disp of because we had amassed a huge DVD collection. I now see that DVDs are the same way as VHS tapes. I have limited room so I am unable to have too vintage devices around. It's a shame because I would love to preserve som old tech.

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I saw the writing on the wall with VCRs and converted most of my VHS to digi formats using an old VCR and avideo capture module. Most of the movies that actually worth it I got in DVD format too, since VHS was not that great.

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I mentioned this in anaother thread, but I imagine format conversion will be
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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Moondog to Kaelon on Sat Jul 16 2022 04:51 pm

At one site I worked at, a sales guy pulled out some old CD's he burned in the early 2000's and wanted files moved over to the network. the laptops we issue no longer had CD or DVD drives. Anyways, the files he wanted were scanned in a proprietary format the scanner software he used in the late 1990's. We got lucky and found in our software repository a program that would read the format, but it had to be run on a virtual machine. By the time we recovered the document andpreserved it to a pdf file, he could've original documents pulled from the long term storage site.

I guess the phrase you used earlier - "if kept properly" - rings true here. Everything from file format to readable / extractable software looms large in this digital world. (Similar note, so many fellow historians tell me what a nightmare we are in terms of primary source documents. Better to print everything out, they say, than to bank on any of these digital formats making it to the next generational archiving.)
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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Sat Jul 16 2022 05:19 pm

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Nightfox to Kaelon on Sat Jul 16 2022 04:09 pm

I agree. And after a while, when optical disc formats started to decline wondered if they'd start selling movies on USB flash drives instead. But course, that hasn't happened.. They still want to be able to control how watch the content and try to prevent people from making copies of it.

When I was working at Broadcom, one of our device functions was a memory car ranspired, but there were companies definitely planning to do so. https://www.michaelsinsight.com/2009/11/blockbuster-looks-to-distribute-movi

In any case, I think they could've distributed DRM-movies on USB flash drive --
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SD cards and USB sticks tend to break easily. One lady I worked with would destroy usb sticks on a regular basis. She'd find a way to bust them off at the connector. I couldn't imagine what she could do with an SD card. I'm sur e she would snap the micro SD's in half.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Sat Jul 16 2022 05:19 pm

When I was working at Broadcom, one of our device functions was a memory card (e.g. SD Card) reader/writer, and the word from the marketing dept. was that Hollywood was going to start distributing or renting movies on SD Cards.

man, if only AOL started sending their clients out on SD cards -- I'd be set! I could finally make that 12-disk RAID 10 cluster I always wanted...

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** On Saturday 16.07.22 - 12:21, Arelor wrote to Moondog:

Moviemakers know they make much more money from the first
days after a theatrical release than they do from long term
royalties and DVD sales.

Can that really be true? I would think that the physical/
streaming branch of a release would bring in a more guaranteed
inflow of cash. Some actors have opted to lower salaries in
their films for life-time royalties and are richer for that.

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I don't disagree. But do we need to preserve optical formats with their limit
storage capacity? Why not just all invest in cheap storage and set up NAS de
ces. QNAP has some great models, and that's what I've done - ripping all of m
personal movies so that I don't have to insert discs anymore, and I just strea
it on my own home network. No Internet needed. ;)

That is what I do. Having the physical disk is not as important. My only thing about obtaining the disk vs. watching on streaming is that I can
control when a show/movie "leaves my service." :) Also, buying the disk
is cheaper than paying for the streaming service (at least it has been so
far -- but I bet that is not true for Disney content!).

Now, two of the last three things I bought on disk turned out to be disks
that cannot be copied... so I have to have the physical disk. <shrugs>


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** On Sunday 17.07.22 - 08:24, Dumas Walker wrote to KAELON:

Now, two of the last three things I bought on disk turned
out to be disks that cannot be copied... so I have to have
the physical disk. <shrugs>

I've had great success with Audials. It will even "capture" a
video stream that you've "rented" so that you can play it on
your schedule or burn it.

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Hello Digital Man!

** On Saturday 16.07.22 - 17:19, Digital Man wrote to Nightfox:

In any case, I think they could've distributed DRM-movies
on USB flash drives or SD Card if they really wanted to.
--digital man (rob)

The display packaging (to prevent shoplifting) for such SD
cards would have been a nightmare. The basic SD products are
all practically under lock and key at department/convenience
stores.

One used CD shop had a clever system. The CD cases themselves
were empty (except for the covers or booklets), and the actual
discs were in a handy drawer system behind the counter. Every
disc had a store-assigned code and could be easily looked up
right at the cash register.


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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Moondog to Digital Man on Sun Jul 17 2022 01:45 am

SD cards and USB sticks tend to break easily. One lady I worked with would destroy usb sticks on a regular basis. She'd find a way to bust them off at the connector. I couldn't imagine what she could do with an SD card. I'm sur e she would snap the micro SD's in half.

was she mentally retarded?
i've dropped a usb stick in my work parking lot in the snow, ran over it several times and it still worked when the snow melted.
i don't know how someone can bust it off at the connector unless it's intentional.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Digital Man on Sat Jul 16 2022 09:28 pm

man, if only AOL started sending their clients out on SD cards -- I'd be set! I could finally make that 12-disk RAID 10 cluster I always wanted...

i'm sure they'd make it read only.
even aol messed with their disks and made them less than ideal.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Ogg to Arelor on Sun Jul 17 2022 07:55 am

Hello Arelor!

** On Saturday 16.07.22 - 12:21, Arelor wrote to Moondog:

Moviemakers know they make much more money from the first
days after a theatrical release than they do from long term
royalties and DVD sales.

Can that really be true? I would think that the physical/

here's the matrix
Box office
Budget
$63,000,000 (estimated)

Gross US & Canada
$172,076,928
Opening weekend US & Canada
$27,788,331Apr 4, 1999

Gross worldwide
$467,222,728

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spiderman no way home

Box office
Budget
$200,000,000 (estimated)

Gross US & Canada
$804,793,477

Opening weekend US & Canada
$260,138,569 Dec 19, 2021

Gross worldwide
$1,901,232,550

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Fri Jul 15 2022 08:50 am

Yeah, I have never actually bought a movie from a streaming service, and that's one of the reasons why. If I buy something, I like having my own so I can make sure it doesn't go anywhere.

Nightfox

I have spent only around 100 GBP on movies and box sets from digital distribution platforms such as iTunes. I am glad I never invested more as I will likely lose my purchases whenever Apple decide not to renew these licenses.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Phigan to Andeddu on Sat Jul 16 2022 12:14 am

You'd be surprised how much people still watch VHS in the small/forest/mountain towns. Give your VHS tapes to the thrift stores in one of those.

I reside in the UK and thrift stores over here haven't sold VHS tapes for many years. They all have extensive DVD collections so I have donated unwanted DVDs to them.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Dumas Walker to ANDEDDU on Sat Jul 16 2022 09:37 am

A work friend of mine was trying to talk me into doing something like that.
He apparently signs up for Hulu whenever they have a free first month
deal, watches all of the new episodes of the show he wants to see ("Letterkenny"), and then ditches it before he gets charged.

As I don't usually enjoy binge watching, I would figure I would try that
and not get through half of the new season of whatever (like "The Expanse"!) before I started getting charged.

I cannot binge watch either as I don't have a particularly long attention span.

I tend to watch a half hour episode of a particular series in the morning on my phone or iPad when having my breakfast before watching a single episode of something longer in the evening on returning home from work and having dinner.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Kaelon to Moondog on Sat Jul 16 2022 06:51 pm

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Moondog to Kaelon on Sat Jul 16 2022 04:51 pm

At one site I worked at, a sales guy pulled out some old CD's he burned i the early 2000's and wanted files moved over to the network. the laptops issue no longer had CD or DVD drives. Anyways, the files he wanted were scanned in a proprietary format the scanner software he used in the late 1990's. We got lucky and found in our software repository a program that would read the format, but it had to be run on a virtual machine. By the time we recovered the document andpreserved it to a pdf file, he could've original documents pulled from the long term storage site.

I guess the phrase you used earlier - "if kept properly" - rings true here. rms of primary source documents. Better to print everything out, they say, _____
-=: Kaelon :=-

Hard copies are nice for that reason. Established digital file formats are also good. The document scanning program used to make the original file was mostlikely created to no digital recording standard, if such thing existed. The program could save as or convert it's paperport format into PDF or TIF, which is more universally accepted since the mid 1990's

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Ogg to All on Sat Jun 18 2022 09:23 pm

"Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
despite mainstream consumer shift.

i doubt this place is highly profitable.
they are most likely rich and can afford to keep it up.
I've seen better stores go under.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Dumas Walker to KAELON on Sun Jul 17 2022 08:24 am

Now, two of the last three things I bought on disk turned out to be disks that cannot be copied... so I have to have the physical disk. <shrugs>

Really? I assume you've tried the usual methods to remove the DRM and copy-protection schema? Handbreak + AnyDVD / Slyfox combination?
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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Moondog to Kaelon on Sun Jul 17 2022 09:39 am

Hard copies are nice for that reason. Established digital file formats are also good. The document scanning program used to make the original file was mostlikely created to no digital recording standard, if such thing existed. The program could save as or convert it's paperport format into PDF or TIF, which is more universally accepted since the mid 1990's

I can get on board a universally accepted file format; TIF, for sure, and even PDF, if Adobe weren't such a squirrelly company. (Remember when Shockwave Flash and .SWF files were the standard for web-games?) I imagine at some point basic unencrypted .TXT files might be the key to longevity. PDF and TIF for now, for sure, but anything that has endured longer than 30-40 years has my vote.
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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Kaelon to Moondog on Sat Jul 16 2022 06:51 pm

I guess the phrase you used earlier - "if kept properly" - rings true here. Everything from file format to readable / extractable software looms large in this digital world. (Similar note, so many fellow historians tell me what a nightmare we are in terms of primary source documents. Better to print everything out, they say, than to bank on any of these digital formats making it to the next generational archiving.)
_____

The only reliable way I've kept my data, is to make multiple copies, on multiple media, and migrate it to newer formats every so often.

Even then things go missing...

So much data has already been lost. Think of the early internet, how much of that is still around? archive.org does a decent job, but good like finding some sites from the late 90's.

I think we are in a new digital 'dark age'. In later years, people will look back and find most of the information we were looking at, just not there. Most of what was on Social Media will just be gone. Even now, you can read a news article online which isn't that old, which links to a tweet, and that tweet is gone.

Then add to that peoples poor data handling, people losing their digital data when they migrate from one phone to another, or one computer to another, or losing everything when that hard drive they had their data on goes and there is no backup. We have 'cloud' services, but will they hang forever?

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: MRO to Moondog on Sun Jul 17 2022 01:03 pm

was she mentally retarded?
i've dropped a usb stick in my work parking lot in the snow, ran over it several times and it still worked when the snow melted.
i don't know how someone can bust it off at the connector unless it's intentional.

I've done that to one, but it was knocked I think,

I have found they are unreliable though. Had a few develop bad sectors/bad areas and stop working reliably. These were USB stick which weren't heavily used at all. They're consumer level hardware, I'm sure manfactured not to last, but to just be cheap throwaway devices.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Andeddu to Dumas Walker on Sun Jul 17 2022 06:26 pm

As I don't usually enjoy binge watching, I would figure I would try that and not get through half of the new season of whatever (like "The Expanse"!) before I started getting charged.

I cannot binge watch either as I don't have a particularly long attention span.

i'm the same but i binge watch because of that. it's a good way to get to sleep.

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Re: Enduring File Formats
By: Kaelon to Moondog on Sun Jul 17 2022 01:21 pm

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Moondog to Kaelon on Sun Jul 17 2022 09:39 am

Hard copies are nice for that reason. Established digital file formats a also good. The document scanning program used to make the original file mostlikely created to no digital recording standard, if such thing existe The program could save as or convert it's paperport format into PDF or TI which is more universally accepted since the mid 1990's

I can get on board a universally accepted file format; TIF, for sure, and ev XT files might be the key to longevity. PDF and TIF for now, for sure, but _____
-=: Kaelon :=-

Caere Paperport scanners had their own format that it saved fiules in by default. Caere was bought up by Caldera, and I haven't seen a copy of their s oftware since the XP days.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Boraxman to Kaelon on Mon Jul 18 2022 08:42 am

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Kaelon to Moondog on Sat Jul 16 2022 06:51 pm

I guess the phrase you used earlier - "if kept properly" - rings true her Everything from file format to readable / extractable software looms larg in this digital world. (Similar note, so many fellow historians tell me what a nightmare we are in terms of primary source documents. Better to print everything out, they say, than to bank on any of these digital form making it to the next generational archiving.)
_____

The only reliable way I've kept my data, is to make multiple copies, on mult

Even then things go missing...

So much data has already been lost. Think of the early internet, how much o

I think we are in a new digital 'dark age'. In later years, people will loo ch isn't that old, which links to a tweet, and that tweet is gone.

Then add to that peoples poor data handling, people losing their digital dat 'cloud' services, but will they hang forever?

One of the things I liked about buying DVD's was when they offered additional commentary and extra clips and mini-documentaries, such as the making of a movie. Not sure if there is a way to encrypt the director's and actor's commentaries into existing video formats.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: MRO to Moondog on Sun Jul 17 2022 01:03 pm

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Moondog to Digital Man on Sun Jul 17 2022 01:45 am

SD cards and USB sticks tend to break easily. One lady I worked with wou destroy usb sticks on a regular basis. She'd find a way to bust them off the connector. I couldn't imagine what she could do with an SD card. I' sur e she would snap the micro SD's in half.

was she mentally retarded?
i've dropped a usb stick in my work parking lot in the snow, ran over it sev i don't know how someone can bust it off at the connector unless it's intent

She was director over business services, and i cannot figure how she ranked
so high. She tried to move further up the food chain by taking the senior rea ctor operator's licensing course. She got canned for cheating on the final exam. The student next to her noticed her peeking at his answers, so he intentionally submitted wrong answers. In the comments he wrote to the instru ctor which questions he intentionally got wrong and provided the right
answers. He did not directly accuse her of cheating, however he mentioned to the instructor if he finds another student had the exact same wrong answers to certain questions, his assumption they cheated is correct.

She still fought it, and tried to accuse the company of discrimination and sexual harassment. Employee concerns could not verify any of these claims. she had been there several years, and this suddenly became an issue?

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Moondog to Boraxman on Sun Jul 17 2022 10:19 pm

One of the things I liked about buying DVD's was when they offered additional commentary and extra clips and mini-documentaries, such as the making of a movie. Not sure if there is a way to encrypt the director's and actor's commentaries into existing video formats.

with the .mkv container format you can have other audio and subtitles

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Ogg to Digital Man on Sun Jul 17 2022 09:18 am

The display packaging (to prevent shoplifting) for such SD
cards would have been a nightmare. The basic SD products are
all practically under lock and key at department/convenience
stores.

Remember those big shrinkwrapped cardboard cartons for CDs, so they could fit into a record company's shelves?

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Re: Enduring File Formats
By: Kaelon to Moondog on Sun Jul 17 2022 01:21 pm

(Remember when Shockwave Flash and .SWF files were the standard for
web-games?)

Very well. I worked at Macromedia at the time and was part of the technology M&A team that bought a tiny company called FutureWave for something like a million dollars and turned their product into Flash. Best investment I'd ever seen. :)

Some of the early content created in Director, Shockwave and Flash were pretty amazing. I wish I'd saved some of it.

The internet archive has some of it saved, including Radiskull and Devil Doll. Look it up. :)



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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Moondog to Boraxman on Sun Jul 17 2022 10:19 pm

One of the things I liked about buying DVD's was when they offered additional commentary and extra clips and mini-documentaries, such as the making of a movie. Not sure if there is a way to encrypt the director's and actor's commentaries into existing video formats.

I'm pretty sure you can with some container formats, have more than one audio stream. At worst, you can just encode it into a seperate audio file.

DVD has multiple audio channels, so you should be able to find a tool which wil let you extract that channel, or encode that additional channel instead.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Kaelon to Nightfox on Sat Jul 16 2022 06:23 pm

We're the same person. ;) And I, too, assumed that flash-disks or USB drives would have gone mainstream and replaced optical drives, but the entertainment industry is obsessed with digital rights management and getting all of the TV manufacturers to align on the same proprietary format would be madness. So, today, pretty much every TV can decode every format via USB inserted media, but if a publisher or distributor wants DMR, they're fresh out of luck.

Recently I was thinking that if they did start to distribute movies on USB flash drives or similar, perhaps they'd have made special media players you'd have to use to play them (similar to a blu-ray drive, but would take flash media instead). My understanding is that blu-ray and optical drives have a set of keys stored inside that they use to decrypt the movies, and such a player for flash media could work the same way.

Considering optical media starts to decay in around 20 years, this is no longer a theoretical. Any DVD or Blu-Ray purchased at the start of the millenium is nearing its end-of-life. Best to rip it soon before quality begins to decline.

That's what people say, but I have some old discs that I still haven't had any problem with. I have a DVD movie I purchased a little over 20 years ago, and I just watched it again a couple months ago and it didn't have any problems. I also have a CD-R that I backed up my original 90s BBS onto in 2000, and I was still able to read it recently.

For those who have experienced optical media "decay", I have to wonder if those discs were stored somewhere that was too warm or perhaps in sunlight or something.

Nightfox

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Ogg to Digital Man on Sun Jul 17 2022 09:18 am

One used CD shop had a clever system. The CD cases themselves
were empty (except for the covers or booklets), and the actual
discs were in a handy drawer system behind the counter. Every
disc had a store-assigned code and could be easily looked up
right at the cash register.

I've shopped at some stores like that. Years ago, I bought a CD from a pawn shop that would do that, and sone time I bought a used CD there that would skip a lot when played (even on a stationary CD player) - I think the CD was just scratched up too much. I took the CD back to the store where I bought it, and they took the CD out of the case and brought me another copy of the CD they had and put it in the same case and gave that back to me. For some reason I thought that seemed a bit sketchy at the time, but I guess in the end I still ended up with a good copy of the CD album along with its case and the booklet in the case.

Nightfox

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** On Sunday 17.07.22 - 21:31, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Ogg:

The display packaging (to prevent shoplifting) for such
SD cards would have been a nightmare. The basic SD
products are all practically under lock and key at
department/convenience stores.

Remember those big shrinkwrapped cardboard cartons for
CDs, so they could fit into a record company's shelves?

Indeed I do! :/

And a whole new plastics manufacturing process was invented to
create tall lockable display cases for each standard CD as
well.


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Moondog wrote to Boraxman <=-

One of the things I liked about buying DVD's was when they offered additional commentary and extra clips and mini-documentaries, such as
the making of a movie. Not sure if there is a way to encrypt the director's and actor's commentaries into existing video formats.

They're all just digital tracks that can be extracted.

I went the other way once, took digital tracks and made a DVD out of them.
It was a lot of fun, you could make your own title screen and menus, select what options and where they'd go on the screen, and lay out chapters on the disk.

If you buy a bootleg DVD of a TV series, sometimes you'll find an amateurish menu with rips from broadcast or cable. I didn't really think I was getting
a studio DVD of both seasons of "Max Headroom" for $7.99...


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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Boraxman to Moondog on Mon Jul 18 2022 07:42 pm

DVD has multiple audio channels, so you should be able to find a tool which wil let you extract that channel, or encode that additional channel instead.

MakeMKV can extract videos from a DVD (and blu-ray) into a .mkv file, and then you could use something to extract the audio track (such as StaxRip, which can separate out all the video and audio tracks). I have a feeling there may be easier wasy to rip just the audio track though..

Nightfox

Re: Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Mon Jul 18 2022 07:09 am

I went the other way once, took digital tracks and made a DVD out of them. It was a lot of fun, you could make your own title screen and menus, select what options and where they'd go on the screen, and lay out chapters on the disk.

I've done that before. I liked doing that kind of thing. A few years ago, I wanted to create some 4K blu-ray discs that way, but was having trouble finding good software to do it. I found one piece of software for blu-ray authoring, but it was fairly expensive (I think they wanted around $300 or so for a license).

Nightfox

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Ogg on Sun Jul 17 2022 09:31 pm

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Ogg to Digital Man on Sun Jul 17 2022 09:18 am

The display packaging (to prevent shoplifting) for such SD
cards would have been a nightmare. The basic SD products are
all practically under lock and key at department/convenience
stores.

Remember those big shrinkwrapped cardboard cartons for CDs, so they could fi

I figured they were for anti-theft. If they didn't have big cardboard
cartons, they had big long plastic caddies that required a tool to remove. CD's were expensive until someone pointed out they don't cost any more in production of media or manufacturing. I recall one record label insisted to keep prices higher than cassettes just because they're "better."

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Nightfox wrote to Kaelon <=-

Considering optical media starts to decay in around 20 years, this is no longer a theoretical. Any DVD or Blu-Ray purchased at the start of the millenium is nearing its end-of-life. Best to rip it soon before quality begins to decline.

That's what people say, but I have some old discs that I still
haven't had any problem with. I have a DVD movie I purchased a
little over 20 years ago, and I just watched it again a couple
months ago and it didn't have any problems. I also have a CD-R
that I backed up my original 90s BBS onto in 2000, and I was
still able to read it recently.

I agree with this. I have 25 year old CDRs (and CDRWs!) that I recorded myself, and I just checked a couple of them right now. Worked fine.

For those who have experienced optical media "decay", I have to
wonder if those discs were stored somewhere that was too warm or
perhaps in sunlight or something.

I'd almost be willing to put money on that being the case. I don't
think the life of a CD/DVD is *infinite*, but I do think it's a *LOT*
longer than 20-ish years.



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Re: Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Mon Jul 18 2022 02:39 pm

I'd almost be willing to put money on that being the case. I don't
think the life of a CD/DVD is *infinite*, but I do think it's a *LOT* longer than 20-ish years.

When CDs were a relatively new medium, I remember hearing people say they should theoretically last hundreds of years. Maybe that's too optimistic, but I tend to think they should last quite a while.

I've also seen "M-Disc" recordsable optical discs that are supposedly made to last a lot longer than regular recordable discs.

Nightfox

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Boraxman to Kaelon on Mon Jul 18 2022 08:42 am

So much data has already been lost. Think of the early internet, how much of that is still around? archive.org does a decent job, but good like finding some sites from the late 90's.

Complete agree. While archive.org does a decent job - of that I agree - they are only really capturing a miniscule fraction of all webpages. Think of the vast troves of really great sites (not to mention the countless crap-sites!) from Geocities, Lycos, HomeStead, etc. Gone. Completely.

Again, I channel a lot of the people that write about this sort of stuff and they beg, plead even, to just print everything out. Photos. Books. Posts. Whatever you care about, if you want it to survive for posterity, affix it to some physical format.

I cannot imagine that future generations will ever care to even try and unscramble the worthless ancient formats, even if they can get their hands on it. The Digital Detritus will be swept away by failed sites and unarchived flotsam.
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Re: Enduring File Formats
By: Moondog to Kaelon on Sun Jul 17 2022 10:16 pm

Caere Paperport scanners had their own format that it saved fiules in by default. Caere was bought up by Caldera, and I haven't seen a copy of their s oftware since the XP days.

Oh my god, talk about two names I haven't heard from in decades. Goes to further prove your point!
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Re: Enduring File Formats
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Kaelon on Sun Jul 17 2022 09:35 pm

Some of the early content created in Director, Shockwave and Flash were pretty amazing. I wish I'd saved some of it.

The internet archive has some of it saved, including Radiskull and Devil Doll. Look it up. :)

I absolutely will! Thanks for the callout of some of your creations.

I remember fondly the countless flash games, many of which never were translated, but laid the foundation for other wonderful HTML5 successors. I'm still bewildered that Adobe just abandoned the format altogether, rather than find a way to partner with Apple for rendering on mobile devices, since it was, after all, Apple that ditched full support for Flash. Much like the entire web, the future (and the majoritarian present today) is purely mobile.
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I tend to watch a half hour episode of a particular series in the morning on m
phone or iPad when having my breakfast before watching a single episode of something longer in the evening on returning home from work and having dinner.

Same here. There are a lot of days I don't feel like I have time to watch
too much.


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Really? I assume you've tried the usual methods to remove the DRM and copy-pro
ction schema? Handbreak + AnyDVD / Slyfox combination?

Handbrake could not find anything to pull off the DVD... well, except the commercial tracks. Those don't have any protection on them I guess.

I am not familiar with the other two but, based on the order you have them
in, I am assuming that Handbrake has to do something first that it cannot
do if it cannot find anything?


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She was director over business services, and i cannot figure how she ranked so high. She tried to move further up the food chain by taking the senior rea
ctor operator's licensing course. She got canned for cheating on the final exam.

You may have answered your own question there, assuming there were previous tests to cheat on and she didn't get caught before.

The fact that she was in a position to possibly be a reactor operator (I am assuming nuclear) should be enough to scare anyone.


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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Dumas Walker to KAELON on Mon Jul 18 2022 04:04 pm

Handbrake could not find anything to pull off the DVD... well, except the commercial tracks. Those don't have any protection on them I guess.

I've never used Handbrake for disc ripping, only transcoding.. I didn't even realize Handbrake could do that. Usually I rip discs with Makemkv, and then transcode the resulting video with Handbrake to make it smaller.

Nightfox

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Nightfox to Boraxman on Mon Jul 18 2022 11:29 am

MakeMKV can extract videos from a DVD (and blu-ray) into a .mkv file, and then you could use something to extract the audio track (such as StaxRip, which can separate out all the video and audio tracks). I have a feeling there may be easier wasy to rip just the audio track though..

Nightfox

ffmpeg can do this quite easily. I use it all the time to extract audio from a video file.

Just use ffmpeg to 'convert' the video to another file, using 'copy' as the audio codec and 'none' as the video codec.

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Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

Re: Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto
thrives
By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Mon Jul 18 2022 02:39 pm

I'd almost be willing to put money on that being the case. I don't
think the life of a CD/DVD is *infinite*, but I do think it's a *LOT* longer than 20-ish years.

When CDs were a relatively new medium, I remember hearing people
say they should theoretically last hundreds of years. Maybe
that's too optimistic, but I tend to think they should last quite
a while.

Yes, I remember that too, and agree that (maybe) that's a little too optimistic, but I think a hundred seems possible, assuming proper care
and storage.

I've also seen "M-Disc" recordsable optical discs that are
supposedly made to last a lot longer than regular recordable
discs.

Haven't heard of those, but might look for that the next time I buy a
spindle of something. I don't use many any more these days, but a
couple of times a year I'll burn my /SBBS directory to one, date it, and
add it to a pile.



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Re: Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Mon Jul 18 2022 08:58 pm

I've also seen "M-Disc" recordsable optical discs that are
supposedly made to last a lot longer than regular recordable
discs.

Haven't heard of those, but might look for that the next time I buy a spindle of something. I don't use many any more these days, but a
couple of times a year I'll burn my /SBBS directory to one, date it, and add it to a pile.

Yeah, I often used to burn my BBS backups to a CD-R, but now, even compressed, my BBS backup file needs more space than a CD-R. I've been using a USB flash drive most of the time now.

Nightfox

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Kaelon to Boraxman on Mon Jul 18 2022 03:16 pm

Complete agree. While archive.org does a decent job - of that I agree - they are only really capturing a miniscule fraction of all webpages. Think of the vast troves of really great sites (not to mention the countless crap-sites!) from Geocities, Lycos, HomeStead, etc. Gone. Completely.

Again, I channel a lot of the people that write about this sort of stuff and they beg, plead even, to just print everything out. Photos. Books. Posts. Whatever you care about, if you want it to survive for posterity, affix it to some physical format.

I cannot imagine that future generations will ever care to even try and unscramble the worthless ancient formats, even if they can get their hands on it. The Digital Detritus will be swept away by failed sites and unarchived flotsam.
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I do that with photos which we take which matter to us, we print them into a book, though that is only a fraction of what we've taken.

I consider myself quite computer literate, having worked as IT support/co-admin, and even I worry about losing data that *I* handle, let alone others. People store their digital photo's on a laptop, one theft away from total loss. Someone I knew had theirs on a harddrive which they spilled liquid or or dropped. My wife had the only copies of many photos on her hard drive, which one day, decided to just die in a puff of smoke (luckily it somehow just worked again months later). Burned DVD's last, usually, but I've been stung by manufacturing defects. How many people use M-DISK? No one really. How many people have their photos managed by iPhoto or something, and have no idea where the files actually are on their drive, or how to access this outside of iPhoto/whatever-cloud-service?

If it is hard for me, what hope do others have?
So even if the information is around and not lost, how to find it? This was an issue in Medieval Europe too, old scrolls and books just laying in a jumble which no one knew, or cared, to know what they were.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Dumas Walker to KAELON on Mon Jul 18 2022 04:04 pm

I am not familiar with the other two but, based on the order you have them in, I am assuming that Handbrake has to do something first that it cannot
do if it cannot find anything?

Admittedly, it's been a few years since I ripped off Blu-Rays and DVDs, but you use Slyfox's AnyDVD to remove the copyprotection (by actually writing the keys to your active memory and allowing decoding), and then Handbrake should be able to pull the video and audio streams off of the disc. That's the theory at any rate.
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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Nightfox to Dumas Walker on Mon Jul 18 2022 06:14 pm

I've never used Handbrake for disc ripping, only transcoding.. I didn't even realize Handbrake could do that. Usually I rip discs with Makemkv, and then transcode the resulting video with Handbrake to make it smaller.

I second MakeMKV. It's a solid utility and it can punch through most of the copy protection without the keys.
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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Dumas Walker to MOONDOG on Mon Jul 18 2022 04:15 pm

The fact that she was in a position to possibly be a reactor operator (I am assuming nuclear) should be enough to scare anyone.

they also have chemical reactor operators where you operatore pumps hoses, valves to xfer chemicals in liquid and powder form.

i've done that.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Boraxman to Kaelon on Tue Jul 19 2022 12:16 pm

I do that with photos which we take which matter to us, we print them into a book, though that is only a fraction of what we've taken.

I think this comes down to content value. When it was challenging to affix content to a physical format, authors, artists, writers, musicians, and creators throughout history exercised some degree of prioritization and restraint. "Is this important to me? Would it be important to others?" This was a critical viewpoint.

In the Age of Digital, no such question necessarily needs to be asked. For those of us who grew up around personal computers (I'm looking at you, fellow Gen-X'ers), we still took some degree of care with how we spent our time. But true "digital natives," namely, Millennials and now Gen-Z'ers, are engaged in total digital broadcasting (sometimes derivisively dismissed as 'narcissism'). Every thought, perspective, whisper, scribble, etc., gets "affixed" to a digital format - website, blog, forum, social media stream, photo site, etc.

TL;DR - Not everything is actually important. So the fact that most of it is lost is not, necessarily, a catastrophic loss for civilization. But it is lost, and future generations will know next to nothing about Geocities, let alone the early days of the Internet.

I consider myself quite computer literate, having worked as IT support/co-admin, and even I worry about losing data that *I* handle, let alone others. People store their digital photo's on a laptop, one theft away from total loss. Someone I knew had theirs on a harddrive which they spilled liquid or or dropped. My wife had the only copies of many photos on her hard drive, which one day, decided to just die in a puff of smoke (luckily it somehow just worked again months later). Burned DVD's last, usually, but I've been stung by manufacturing defects. How many people use M-DISK? No one really. How many people have their photos managed by iPhoto or something, and have no idea where the files actually are on their drive, or how to access this outside of iPhoto/whatever-cloud-service?

Great point.

If it is hard for me, what hope do others have?

Totally.

So even if the information is around and not lost, how to find it? This was an issue in Medieval Europe too, old scrolls and books just laying in a jumble which no one knew, or cared, to know what they were.

During the Renaissance, this problem was tackled programmatically through a variety of specialized roles:

* ARCHIVISTS were responsible for determining how content would be stored for the long-haul, and built upon the ancient library science and started creating standards for preservation, categorization, and reference.

* CHRONICLERS reviewed all of the news of the ages and built abridged histories, or Chronicles, of the time, including extentive reference to content that had been archived for future generations to conduct follow-up research.

* HISTORIANS became the scholars that reviewed the chronicles and cross-referenced with what archivists, and lesser librarians, had stored, in order to produce more 'modern' retrospectives and studies on what really happened and what the impact of what happened was.

We need similar roles for the new digital age. And I am not really convinced that the Internet Archive has a true archival, chronicling, and historiographic practice for their resspective domains.
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Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

I've also seen "M-Disc" recordsable optical discs that are
supposedly made to last a lot longer than regular recordable
discs.

Haven't heard of those, but might look for that the next time I buy a spindle of something. I don't use many any more these days, but a
couple of times a year I'll burn my /SBBS directory to one, date it, and add it to a pile.

Yeah, I often used to burn my BBS backups to a CD-R, but now,
even compressed, my BBS backup file needs more space than a CD-R.
I've been using a USB flash drive most of the time now.

A USB drive would work fine too, although somewhat more susceptible to damage/erasing, or even loss, I would think. I use a DVD-R these days.

I actually haven't done that (burn a disc) in quite a while now... I do
have an automated event that runs each night, doing an rsync "diff"
backup to a server box here in the house, and also doing that to a remote/cloud server, (a Linode hosted VPS) that I have. Also every time
I do an SBBS update, I do a complete /sbbs directory copy to a local
server box, prior to starting the update. So I feel like I've got
enough safety nets. :-)


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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Kaelon to Dumas Walker on Mon Jul 18 2022 08:06 pm

Admittedly, it's been a few years since I ripped off Blu-Rays and DVDs, but you use Slyfox's AnyDVD to remove the copyprotection (by actually writing the keys to your active memory and allowing decoding), and then Handbrake should be able to pull the video and audio streams off of the disc. That's the theory at any rate.

MakeMKV is simpler, as you don't need any other programs in order to rip from the disc. MakeMKV must have the the necessary keys.. Also, in the past, if I wanted a DVD ISO, I'd use DVD Shrink - That's also self-contained, so you don't need any other programs to rip DVD ISOs with that. (And despite the name, shrinking is optional - You could rip a DVD to 9.5GB, or it could shrink it to 4.7GB).

Nightfox

Hello Nightfox!

** On Monday 18.07.22 - 08:28, Nightfox wrote to Ogg:

[..] Years ago, I bought a CD from a pawn shop [..] I took
the CD back to the store where I bought it, and they took
the CD out of the case and brought me another copy of the
CD they had and put it in the same case and gave that back
to me. For some reason I thought that seemed a bit sketchy
at the time, but I guess in the end I still ended up with a
good copy of the CD album along with its case and the
booklet in the case.

Why sketchy? Did you get a home-burned CD-R version? It would
be very easy to tell the difference between a commercial CD and
a CD-R.

Speaking of CD displays, I remember seeing a really clever
"artistic" approach for home use. Instead of storing CDs in
cabinets or towers, the mechanism permitted snapping a CD case
in a matrix/grid on the wall. And depending on one's takes at
the time, the mix/match of the cases would change over time
too. I thought that was a beautiful way to enjoy favourite CD
art either while it's playing or "just because".


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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Ogg to Nightfox on Mon Jul 18 2022 09:49 pm

[..] Years ago, I bought a CD from a pawn shop [..] I took
the CD back to the store where I bought it, and they took
the CD out of the case and brought me another copy of the
CD they had and put it in the same case and gave that back
to me. For some reason I thought that seemed a bit sketchy
at the time, but I guess in the end I still ended up with a
good copy of the CD album along with its case and the
booklet in the case.

Why sketchy? Did you get a home-burned CD-R version? It would
be very easy to tell the difference between a commercial CD and
a CD-R.

It was a commercially produced copy. I guess it seemed sketchy because they seemed to have other copies of the CD by itself (without the case) that they could give to customers to replace the one they had bought.. For a pawn shop, I wouldn't have expected that at the time, I guess.

Nightfox

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Nightfox to Kaelon on Mon Jul 18 2022 08:05 am

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Kaelon to Nightfox on Sat Jul 16 2022 06:23 pm

We're the same person. ;) And I, too, assumed that flash-disks or USB drives would have gone mainstream and replaced optical drives, but the entertainment industry is obsessed with digital rights management and getting all of the TV manufacturers to align on the same proprietary format would be madness. So, today, pretty much every TV can decode eve format via USB inserted media, but if a publisher or distributor wants DMR, they're fresh out of luck.

Recently I was thinking that if they did start to distribute movies on USB f tanding is that blu-ray and optical drives have a set of keys stored inside

Considering optical media starts to decay in around 20 years, this is n longer a theoretical. Any DVD or Blu-Ray purchased at the start of the millenium is nearing its end-of-life. Best to rip it soon before qualit begins to decline.

That's what people say, but I have some old discs that I still haven't had a hat I backed up my original 90s BBS onto in 2000, and I was still able to re

For those who have experienced optical media "decay", I have to wonder if th

Nightfox

I have some CD's burnt from around 98-2000 that only can be read by a slower speed cd drive. i have had some real cheap discs delaminate though

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Dumas Walker to MOONDOG on Mon Jul 18 2022 04:15 pm

She was director over business services, and i cannot figure how she ranke so high. She tried to move further up the food chain by taking the senior ctor operator's licensing course. She got canned for cheating on the fina exam.

You may have answered your own question there, assuming there were previous tests to cheat on and she didn't get caught before.

The fact that she was in a position to possibly be a reactor operator (I am assuming nuclear) should be enough to scare anyone.

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Management folk do not take the SRO exam to become SR reactor operators. They d
get their license so they can be qualified to oversee other SRO's and other plant operations people. She had peaked as a non-nuclear career path
employee at a nuclear power generation plant. In order to become plant
manager or site VP, she had to acquire the not just the knowledge but also
the respect and acknowledgement of merit one gets by compling an intense 18 month 12 hour a day course.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Tue Jul 19 2022 01:19 am

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Dumas Walker to MOONDOG on Mon Jul 18 2022 04:15 pm

The fact that she was in a position to possibly be a reactor operator (I assuming nuclear) should be enough to scare anyone.

they also have chemical reactor operators where you operatore pumps hoses, v

i've done that.

In nuclear, folks who manipluate valves and breakers in the plant section are auxiliary operators. They report to the control room operators. The SRO is the chief of the control room.

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Admittedly, it's been a few years since I ripped off Blu-Rays and DVDs, but yo
use Slyfox's AnyDVD to remove the copyprotection (by actually writing the keys
o your active memory and allowing decoding), and then Handbrake should be able
o pull the video and audio streams off of the disc. That's the theory at any te.

ahhhh, I will check into that!


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The fact that she was in a position to possibly be a reactor operator (I am
assuming nuclear) should be enough to scare anyone.

they also have chemical reactor operators where you operatore pumps hoses, val
s to xfer chemicals in liquid and powder form.

i've done that.

Depending on the chemicals in question, the idea of her operating one of
those might also ought to scare anyone. :)


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Re: Preserving Digital History
By: Kaelon to Boraxman on Tue Jul 19 2022 05:42 am

During the Renaissance, this problem was tackled programmatically through a variety of specialized roles:

* ARCHIVISTS were responsible for determining how content would be stored for the long-haul, and built upon the ancient library science and started creating standards for preservation, categorization, and reference.

* CHRONICLERS reviewed all of the news of the ages and built abridged histories, or Chronicles, of the time, including extentive reference to content that had been archived for future generations to conduct follow-up research.

* HISTORIANS became the scholars that reviewed the chronicles and cross-referenced with what archivists, and lesser librarians, had stored, in order to produce more 'modern' retrospectives and studies on what really happened and what the impact of what happened was.

We need similar roles for the new digital age. And I am not really convinced that the Internet Archive has a true archival, chronicling, and historiographic practice for their resspective domains.
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Agree, but who? Private interests may do it, but likely to monetise it, or not be interested because there isn't a quick return. Churhes? Monasteries?

I think the solution is custody. Who owns the information, how is it transferred. A way to transfer the public contents of a server before you decommission it. A way for people who are done maintaining their sites to simply hand it over to archivists. This would be more a cultural shift than a technological one.

We will resolve this issue, but not without a significant period inbetween where a lot of digital information was just thrown to the wind.

There are already questions about how to handle social media accounts after people die, who takes ownership and such, and I think this problem neatly extends to the one we are discussing.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Dumas Walker to KAELON on Tue Jul 19 2022 04:13 pm

ahhhh, I will check into that!

As others have mentioned here, I should retract my advice and instead recommend MakeMKV, which has the ability to rip the audio and video streams and completely disregard whatever encryption keys are in store. I had completely spaced on this, probably because it is primarily a command-line Linux application, but I believe there are GUI and Windows/macOS branches of MakeMKV that should work just fine these days.
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Re: Preserving Digital History
By: Boraxman to Kaelon on Wed Jul 20 2022 09:33 am

I think the solution is custody. Who owns the information, how is it transferred. A way to transfer the public contents of a server before you decommission it. A way for people who are done maintaining their sites to simply hand it over to archivists. This would be more a cultural shift than a technological one.

This is a great idea! Chain of custody arrangements would certainly be in line with many of our legal and institutional practices. Could we formalize this so that the cultural shift is embedded in technological practices? And how would we contend with the evergreen economic interests that no doubt would prevail? A fascinating proposition, indeed!

There are already questions about how to handle social media accounts after people die, who takes ownership and such, and I think this problem neatly extends to the one we are discussing.

Another great observation! I think you are absolutely right; there are very compatible applications between the memorialization of the deceaseds' social media accounts and the need to preserve human knowledge beyond the digital conundrum in which we have found ourselves.
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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Kaelon to Dumas Walker on Tue Jul 19 2022 04:49 pm

As others have mentioned here, I should retract my advice and instead recommend MakeMKV, which has the ability to rip the audio and video streams and completely disregard whatever encryption keys are in store. I had completely spaced on this, probably because it is primarily a command-line Linux application, but I believe there are GUI and Windows/macOS branches of MakeMKV that should work just fine these days.

There is a GUI version of MakeMKV for Linux.. I didn't even know there was a command-line version..?

Nightfox

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Tue Jul 19 2022 04:14 pm

val
s to xfer chemicals in liquid and powder form.

i've done that.

Depending on the chemicals in question, the idea of her operating one of those might also ought to scare anyone. :)

yeah a guy told me someone got coated in a chemical that burns off your stink but seriously desensatizes it while doing so. so basically you are being eaten alive and don't know it.

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Re: Preserving Digital History
By: Kaelon to Boraxman on Tue Jul 19 2022 04:53 pm

This is a great idea! Chain of custody arrangements would certainly be in line with many of our legal and institutional practices. Could we formalize this so that the cultural shift is embedded in technological practices? And how would we contend with the evergreen economic interests that no doubt would prevail? A fascinating proposition, indeed!

Another great observation! I think you are absolutely right; there are very compatible applications between the memorialization of the deceaseds' social media accounts and the need to preserve human knowledge beyond the digital conundrum in which we have found ourselves.
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It could be done with some containerisation. A basic static web page is already 'containerised' in that you simply need to transfer the filesystem heirarchy. More complex ones could have export and import automated. I have migrated web pages from server to server and it is something which could be futher automated.

I could imagine a cPanel option where you can nominate where the site is archived to. Facebook and Google allow you to export your data already. We're mostly there, it is the standardisation of process and interface and creation of formal agreements. Or the nominated archive could simply be pushed an access token that allows it access, similar to how you may have someone as a github collaborator. Cloud based accounts could work similar.

Peoples 'offline' data is a harder challenge.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Tue Jul 19 2022 04:14 pm

The fact that she was in a position to possibly be a reactor operator ( assuming nuclear) should be enough to scare anyone.

they also have chemical reactor operators where you operatore pumps hoses, s to xfer chemicals in liquid and powder form.

i've done that.

Depending on the chemicals in question, the idea of her operating one of those might also ought to scare anyone. :)

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I mentioned in another thread that her getting licensed was a job advancment pre-requisite. She'd never touch a piece of real equipment

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I mentioned in another thread that her getting licensed was a job advancment pre-requisite. She'd never touch a piece of real equipment

Understood, but if she'd not been caught cheating she might have got
licensed. :O


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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Ogg to Arelor on Sun Jul 17 2022 07:55 am

Hello Arelor!

** On Saturday 16.07.22 - 12:21, Arelor wrote to Moondog:

Moviemakers know they make much more money from the first
days after a theatrical release than they do from long term
royalties and DVD sales.

Can that really be true? I would think that the physical/
streaming branch of a release would bring in a more guaranteed
inflow of cash. Some actors have opted to lower salaries in
their films for life-time royalties and are richer for that.

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Unless a film has a lot of staying power, it won't make a significant dime past its
expiration date.

It is just like books. Books make most of their profit during their commertial lives
within the first 6 months of publication of so. Then they make the rest by limping
along through the years with no glory left on their shoulders.

Now, a film that is a marketing freak of nature will make lots of indirect revenue,
via licenses and merchandising, but I don't think people counts those :-)


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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Boraxman to Moondog on Mon Jul 18 2022 07:42 pm

Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Moondog to Boraxman on Sun Jul 17 2022 10:19 pm

One of the things I liked about buying DVD's was when they offered additional commentary and extra clips and mini-documentaries, such as the making of a movie. Not sure if there is a way to encrypt the director's and
actor's commentaries into existing video formats.

I'm pretty sure you can with some container formats, have more than one audio strea

DVD has multiple audio channels, so you should be able to find a tool which wil let

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With .mkv you can have as many audio streams and subtitles streams inside a single
file as you will ever need. YOu can even have multiple video streams inside the same
file if you ever need that feature.

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Arelor wrote to Ogg <=-

Unless a film has a lot of staying power, it won't make a significant
dime past its expiration date.

On the podcast "How did this get made", a podcast about odd movies and
flops, the host interviewed Mel Brooks about "Solar Babies".

Yes, that YA post-apocalyptic cheezy flick from the '80s.

He and Anne Bancroft started Brooks Films, because Mel wanted to get
involved in dramas, and he was so typecast as a funny guy. They did some interesting films, like Mask, The Elephant Man and The Fly.

He liked the idea of Solarbabies and liked the pitch - they could film in spain, buy all of the vehicles and support gear there, then sell it for a profit. They wanted $5 million. He thought he could finance that with a
couple of friends.

The film is set in a drought-ridden world. It immediately began raining torrents, meaning delays.

He then had to go back to his friends for another $5 million, and was
starting to get worried. Everything that usually goes wrong did go wrong.

More delays, more issues, and he had to go get a second mortgage to get another $5 million.

The movie came out and the reception was lukewarm. But, VHS came around and
it got another life in video rentals.

Mel Brooks said it had finally broke even - in 2014!

The podcast had me in stiches. Mel Brooks' assistant had told the host that
he could have 15 minutes with him, but sometimes he goes over. They spoke
for an hour and a half.




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Hello Arelor!

** On Thursday 21.07.22 - 05:43, Arelor wrote to Ogg:

Unless a film has a lot of staying power, it won't make a
significant dime past its expiration date.

It is just like books. Books make most of their profit
during their commertial lives within the first 6 months of
publication of so. Then they make the rest by limping along
through the years with no glory left on their shoulders.

I see books that were released years ago only NOW getting
attention. The various young-adult fantasy series by Leigh
Bardugo:

Shadow and Bone trilogy (2012)
Six of Crows duology (2015)

..are just a couple are only NOW getting quite popular.


Court of Thorns and Roses series of 5 fanstasy novels (2015) by
Sarah Maas, are still quite popular sellers.

There are numerous other examples of books that exceed the 1st
6 months that you suggest. ;)


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Hello Nightfox!

** On Tuesday 19.07.22 - 10:02, Nightfox wrote to Ogg:

Why sketchy? Did you get a home-burned CD-R version? It
would be very easy to tell the difference between a
commercial CD and a CD-R.

It was a commercially produced copy. I guess it seemed
sketchy because they seemed to have other copies of the CD
by itself (without the case) that they could give to
customers to replace the one they had bought.. For a pawn
shop, I wouldn't have expected that at the time, I guess.

Sounds like it was a good coincidence to work in your favour.

I've received the occassional multiple copy of a CD from a
single source collection at my shop. But my results are
haphazard. In the past, I've even managed to buy another copy
of the same CD a few times for my own collection too! :/


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