it's bad that schools are making big deals with big tech companies,

Most certainly. But it's really the Left making deals with the Left. It's all part of the same plan.

This is true, and it becomes more evident all the time. They are all the on the same page. When this school year began, the school started a new "no cellphones" policy "because statistics suggest.." But a few months have passed and now we see the real reason: the governor wants phones banned in all schools throughout the state, and those butt-kissing reptilian humanoids who run the Binghamton school district knew that all along, and they just wanted to get ahead of the game (and they lied to us in order to do so.)

But then he asked "How does my teacher know what I was doing last night?"

Somehow my kid manages to get her homework done while in school, so her Chromebook never comes out of her backpack while it's here.

And that opened a huge can of worms for the school. The school had
remote admin access to the laptop, including the camera. There were
more than a few teachers in posession of pictures of students in various forms of undress. Did I mention that all those students were underage?

I don't think God (or nature) ever intended for kids to be sent to a daily indoctrination center to learn things. There's a lot of things wrong with that picture. And they just so happen to be Democrat? And it just so happens to be that every school has pedophiles? It's no coincidence. How did we get here? Did schools used to be a good thing?

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A post-pandemic survey found over 25% of students spend at least five hours of classroom time daily on screens, often engaging in educational games that fail to build mastery. In contrast, time-tested methods like reading physical books and writing by hand have been shown to improve retention and comprehension.

I like this article. My kid's highschool has gone 100% Chromebook, meaning there are no more textbooks. I don't like it. It's bad for their eyes, it's a bad idea to send kids walking the streets with millions of dollars worth of computers, it's bad that schools are making big deals with big tech companies,
it's more convenient to read textbooks, there's password issues, there's privacy concerns, and the list of things wrong with it is a mile long.

I worry about their retention and comprehension more than the rest, but
there are additional potential issues for sure. One of my younger nieces
is in the era of few books and no homework... most everything is online...
and it seems to have started a habit where she is online all the time when
at home, too.

I worry that it cuts down on their social interactions and may have mental consequences.


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Dr. What wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-

And that opened a huge can of worms for the school. The school had
remote admin access to the laptop, including the camera. There were
more than a few teachers in posession of pictures of students in
various forms of undress. Did I mention that all those students were underage?

I didn't know about the undressed photos, although I could have forseen
that. I'm sure kid good-n-plenty got a nice college tuition check from
his local school district. :)




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I like this article. My kid's highschool has gone 100% Chromebook, meani there are no more textbooks. I don't like it. It's bad for their eyes, i bad idea to send kids walking the streets with millions of dollars worth computers, it's bad that schools are making big deals with big tech companies,
it's more convenient to read textbooks, there's password issues, there's privacy concerns, and the list of things wrong with it is a mile long.

I worry about their retention and comprehension more than the rest, but there are additional potential issues for sure. One of my younger nieces is in the era of few books and no homework... most everything is
online... and it seems to have started a habit where she is online all
the time when at home, too.

I didn't think of that, but yes. I'm sure it contributes to the addiction of being glued to electronic devices. There's nothing good about it, except for it "saves trees."

I worry that it cuts down on their social interactions and may have
mental consequences.

Me too.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

Somehow my kid manages to get her homework done while in school, so her Chromebook never comes out of her backpack while it's here.

It's the lowering of standards. Your kid is above average, so works during school - while her classmates use school as a social club. They have to set the standards for the social club people.

I don't think God (or nature) ever intended for kids to be sent to a
daily indoctrination center to learn things.

We've known for a long time now that the current method of education doesn't work. But the "experts" keep pushing their failed policies.

There's a lot of things
wrong with that picture. And they just so happen to be Democrat? And it just so happens to be that every school has pedophiles? It's no coincidence. How did we get here? Did schools used to be a good thing?

Schools were going bad 40+ years ago. Bad teachers allowed to stay. Teachers that committed sexual offences were "asked to leave" (but were never really held accountable). Classes were boring and useless. And more.

For me, if I wanted to learn something, I figured it out for myself using the resources that I had available.

And in my senior year, I had the opportunity to get some real work experience in my (soon to be) career, and the school actively resisted me getting that experience. We (me, parents, etc.) had to really turn up the pressure on the school to let me participate in the program that they had available for people like me.


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"Some of the most powerful educational interactions occur when a
caring, well-trained teacher can look into a students eyes and help
them see and understand new ideas," he went on. "Machines often dont have that power."

He must be calling on his experiences in public school.

That was at times also my experience also in public school. I also believe that was a different time, though. If for no other reason, it was
pre-COVID.

Laptops for teachers can enhance instruction, but Bloomberg acknowledges that, while student laptops can be useful tools, they cannot replace the value of a well-trained educator guiding students through meaningful learning experiences.

How many students in a classroom can a teacher provide meaningful
experiences on a daily basis - 25? 30? 35?

In a public school classroom where kids don't have as many reprocussions
for acting up, I would say 25 at the most. I am not sure what the average class size is these days for grade school, but I suspect it is larger than that.

Studies show excessive laptop use in classrooms leads to distraction, with students often taking up to 20 minutes to refocus after engaging
in non-academic activities.

That's a discipline problem, not a laptop problem. Kids will find all
sorts of ways to distract themselves. I preferred passing notes,
myself.

I partially agree. OTOH, if they are interacting with a laptop vs. paying attention to a human, it is easier to engage in distraction if you are not worried about getting caught... the laptop isn't going to call them out for
it.

Despite widespread laptop use, only 28% of eighth graders and 24% of 12th graders are proficient in math, while reading scores remain low, and US students continue to lag behind their international peers, raising doubts about the effectiveness of widespread laptop adoption in schools.

Correlation does not imply causation. This merits more research.

It does merit more research.

A post-pandemic survey found over 25% of students spend at least five hours of classroom time daily on screens, often engaging in educational games that fail to build mastery. In contrast, time-tested methods like reading physical books and writing by hand have been shown to improve retention and comprehension.

That I can agree with.

That is the part that connected with me the most. I notice this in my
adult self.


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I worry about their retention and comprehension more than the rest, but there are additional potential issues for sure. One of my younger nieces
is in the era of few books and no homework... most everything is online... and it seems to have started a habit where she is online all the time when at home, too.

I didn't think of that, but yes. I'm sure it contributes to the addiction of being glued to electronic devices. There's nothing good about it, except for i
"saves trees."

I also suspect, as Kurt half-implied, that it allows them to cut down on
the number of teachers -- something that may save them money but otherwise
is not likely "good."


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It's the lowering of standards. Your kid is above average, so works during school - while her classmates use school as a social club. They have to set the standards for the social club people.

That's true. She is a straight A student, and you're totally right about lower standards for families with lower standards. Binghamton schools have become a babysitting service, and a propaganda dispensary.

We've known for a long time now that the current method of education doesn't work. But the "experts" keep pushing their failed policies.

There are dozens of pedophile teachers in my region. Lots of them have been prosecuted over the years. There's 2 history teachers named John Reid and Nick Zincone (one from Chenango Valley HS and the other from Windsor HS) who openly talk about how hot the (HS) girls on their sports teams are, but they haven't been accused of any crimes yet. They should probably be investigated though.

For me, if I wanted to learn something, I figured it out for myself
using the resources that I had available.

Same here. I did good in high school, but the only lessons that I find useful are the ones about Democrats purchasing, enslaving, and then segregating black African hostages. I learned more useful stuff in college, like the basics of Spanish, but still nothing that I couldn't have learned on my own. (I want a refund!)

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

That's true. She is a straight A student, and you're totally right
about lower standards for families with lower standards. Binghamton schools have become a babysitting service, and a propaganda dispensary.

Many schools have been like that for decades now.

There are dozens of pedophile teachers in my region. Lots of them have been prosecuted over the years. There's 2 history teachers named John
Reid and Nick Zincone (one from Chenango Valley HS and the other from Windsor HS) who openly talk about how hot the (HS) girls on their
sports teams are, but they haven't been accused of any crimes yet. They should probably be investigated though.

Probably. But the union will prevent that from happening.

Same here. I did good in high school, but the only lessons that I find useful are the ones about Democrats purchasing, enslaving, and then segregating black African hostages. I learned more useful stuff in college, like the basics of Spanish, but still nothing that I couldn't have learned on my own. (I want a refund!)

For me, high school was pretty much 4 years of wasted time.

College was a little better since I went to a more technical college getting a technical degree. But I was very angry about the number of BS classes that I had to take to "be a well rounded student".


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And that opened a huge can of worms for the school. The school had
remote admin access to the laptop, including the camera. There were
more than a few teachers in posession of pictures of students in various forms of undress. Did I mention that all those students were underage?

There are good and bad people everywhere but that remote access was
a problem waiting to happen.

I don't think God (or nature) ever intended for kids to be sent to a daily in

>trination center to learn things. There's a lot of things wrong with that pic
>e. And they just so happen to be Democrat? And it just so happens to be that
>ry school has pedophiles? It's no coincidence. How did we get here? Did schoo
>used to be a good thing?

I'm not sure you can generalize to that extent. I'm sure there are lots
of Republican pedophiles as well. I think you'll probably find that most
people involved in schools are pro-Democrat mainly because, in my
experience, Democrats (Liberals) generally are willing to put more money
into running the schools. That's one of the first places Republicans cut
costs, that and health care..

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I worry about their retention and comprehension more than the rest, but

>there are additional potential issues for sure. One of my younger nieces
>is in the era of few books and no homework... most everything is online...
>and it seems to have started a habit where she is online all the time when
>at home, too.

I worry that it cuts down on their social interactions and may have mental

>consequences.

Social interaction is definitely a huge issue these days. I see my niece's
kids up at the cottage here beside me with beaches and water toys and
boats and nature hikes etc.. and, if they aren't thrown out of the cottage, they would spend almost all their time laying on a couch with their
faces in a Tablet, and this has been going on since they were as young
as 3 or 4 years old. They are now about 6 and 9..

As for school stuff, I think you retain more when you read it in a book
rather than from a screen, but I may be prejudiced since I normally read
about 200 paper books a year.. B)

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Laptops for teachers can enhance instruction, but Bloomberg
acknowledges that, while student laptops can be useful tools, they
cannot replace the value of a well-trained educator guiding students through meaningful learning experiences.

How many students in a classroom can a teacher provide meaningful

> experiences on a daily basis - 25? 30? 35?

I think, technically, a teacher provides a meaningful experience
to everyone in the room by what they say in front of the class if
they are any good at what they do. (Nowhere near guaranteed..)

Where things change is when some students can't keep up and need
more help than most. My Niece is a teacher and has 5 'special'
students in her class and she spends much more time with them
than the other 20 or so kids in the class put together..

Not P.C to say these days but these kids should be in a 'special'
class but they say it's better for all of them to pretend they
are all the same, in variations, but if it's taking away from the
average student I'm not sure the socialization is a fair trade-off.

That's the excuse anyways.. The actuality is that due to budget
cuts they can't afford to have special classes with much higher
teacher to student ratios for those students.

I actually did better in classes where the teacher totally ignored
me and let me work on my own. I had a History teacher once who was a
good lecturer but, when he was going over the things we were supposed
to have read in preparation for class, he found that myself and a
good friend of mine were the only ones with answers to his questions,
so he'd go to his desk and take out a MAD Magazine, toss it to us and
tell us to amuse ourselves while he tried teaching the rest of the
class something... B)

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Social interaction is definitely a huge issue these days. I see my niece's kids up at the cottage here beside me with beaches and water toys and
boats and nature hikes etc.. and, if they aren't thrown out of the cottage, they would spend almost all their time laying on a couch with their
faces in a Tablet, and this has been going on since they were as young
as 3 or 4 years old. They are now about 6 and 9..

It is good that your niece gets them motivated to be outdoors and not constantly online. A lot of kids seem to lack that motivation and it shows.

As for school stuff, I think you retain more when you read it in a book rather than from a screen, but I may be prejudiced since I normally read about 200 paper books a year.. B)

I used to read a lot more than I do now, but I don't think I ever got up to reading that many in a year. ;)

Mike

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College was a little better since I went to a more technical college getting a technical degree. But I was very angry about the number of BS classes that I had to take to "be a well rounded student".

The colleges I went to call those "liberal arts" and/or "general education." Those classes were fun and interesting, but what good is a 101 knowledge of anything?

OTOH: I took PSY 101 and learned about "classical conditioning" which was beneficial in understanding how the left operates, but the rest of the course turned me into a wanna-be psychologist who diagnoses people all the time. Hang on, let me put on my "expert" glasses..

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>e. And they just so happen to be Democrat? And it just so happens to be
>ry school has pedophiles? It's no coincidence. How did we get here? Did
>schoo
>used to be a good thing?

I'm not sure you can generalize to that extent. I'm sure there are lots
of Republican pedophiles as well. I think you'll probably find that most people involved in schools are pro-Democrat mainly because, in my experience, Democrats (Liberals) generally are willing to put more money into running the schools. That's one of the first places Republicans cut costs, that and health care..

You are right about all that, but to me it seems like too much of a coincidence that Democrats have full control of our schools, our kids are required to attend school, and that their loyal servants occasionally molest kids. To me, that seems like it was planned and like it was their agenda since day 1.

And Republicans are no saints either, but the ratio if Democrats charged with sex crimes to Republicans charged with sex crimes is staggering.

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Rob Mccart wrote to MIKE POWELL <=-

As for school stuff, I think you retain more when you read it in a book rather than from a screen, but I may be prejudiced since I normally
read about 200 paper books a year..

I love paper books, but as I get older, I appreciate my Kindle more - no
more needing to find the right place with the right lighting.

Especially since most of reading tends to used SF and mystery paperbacks
- yellowing paper a faded ink is a low-contrast combination.

I've resorted in some cases to downloading an eBook, buying the paper
copy and claiming fair use. :|



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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

The colleges I went to call those "liberal arts" and/or "general education." Those classes were fun and interesting, but what good is a
101 knowledge of anything?

Having a well-rounded understanding helps one in specialized pursuits.
Understanding context is important.

OTOH: I took PSY 101 and learned about "classical conditioning" which
was beneficial in understanding how the left operates, but the rest of
the course turned me into a wanna-be psychologist who diagnoses people
all the time. Hang on, let me put on my "expert" glasses..

Let me guess - mirrored shades, with the mirrors on the insides?



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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

The colleges I went to call those "liberal arts" and/or "general education." Those classes were fun and interesting, but what good is a
101 knowledge of anything?

Certain classes, like writing a research paper, would be useful no matter what your major.

Other classes were also "useful" but geared completely wrong. ex: Economics. Now, learning economics is certainly useful. But this was economics for economics majors, not economics for dummies. Useless class.

There were a few surprises, though. Ex: A humanities class (go fig) in logic. It helped me greatly in my computer science classes.

But I still don't understand how learning about the Yanomami people made me more well rounded.

Most of my Humanities classes were useless. All of my Social Studies classes were useless. We lucked out in that only a few Humanities classes were required and all the Social Studies classes were electives (you just had to take so many). But I never was able to get into the Tolkien class. :(

I understand the idea of being a "well rounded" student, but it seemed to me that the actual policy was geared toward making students have to take classes by worthless professors. Oh, and more money for the college. So even back in the mid/late 80's, the rot was already setting in.

OTOH: I took PSY 101 and learned about "classical conditioning" which
was beneficial in understanding how the left operates, but the rest of
the course turned me into a wanna-be psychologist who diagnoses people
all the time. Hang on, let me put on my "expert" glasses..

Yes, the Dunning-Kruger Effect is alive and well on college campuses.


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And Republicans are no saints either, but the ratio if Democrats
charged with sex crimes to Republicans charged with sex crimes is staggering.

How come we only hear about the republican sex crimes - let me guess,
liberal media bias? I think that horse done left the barn.

I think there might be a media bias, but not necessarily liberal. More
likely a bias against the side that is most in power.

OTOH, I do believe that horse that left the barn must have took the Epstein list with it.


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The colleges I went to call those "liberal arts" and/or "general education." Those classes were fun and interesting, but what good is a 101 knowledge of anything?

Having a well-rounded understanding helps one in specialized pursuits.
Understanding context is important.

I agree with this if we are talking about electives, or requirements like
a required Ethics class for Business majors. I have serious doubts about the "well-roundedness" and employability of persons who major in some of those fields, though.


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The colleges I went to call those "liberal arts" and/or "general education." Those classes were fun and interesting, but what good is 101 knowledge of anything?

Having a well-rounded understanding helps one in specialized pursuits.
Understanding context is important.

I had a well-rounded propagation. Everything outside of math, spanish, and English was garbage. ANTH 101, POLI 101, PSY 101, PHIL 101, was all programming.

I give it credit for successfully programming me. I was inches away from voting for Obama until I snapped out of it and broke the spell.

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I understand the idea of being a "well rounded" student, but it seemed
to me that the actual policy was geared toward making students have to take classes by worthless professors. Oh, and more money for the
college. So even back in the mid/late 80's, the rot was already setting in.

I enjoyed the Anthropology course, but if I had the chance to take ANTH 102 right now, I'd say "No thanks."

Having a well-rounded education sounds good, but it needs to be a real education. Like you said, the English/writing courses were useful, I think math was great too, but the Anthropological studies are based on "some guy's" experience, and that leads to ridiculous biases about people from specific places. Same thing with Philosophy. All that class does it encourages people to let the experts do the thinking :)

Yes, the Dunning-Kruger Effect is alive and well on college campuses.

I was guilty of it for a while, but I grew out of it. Now days I really, really want other people to break free of it.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

I enjoyed the Anthropology course, but if I had the chance to take ANTH 102 right now, I'd say "No thanks."

Same. But the only reason I enjoyed the anthro class was that I had a good teacher who correctly prioritized her class (i.e. she knew that it wasn't the most important class we could take - far from it).

But, education-wise, it was worthless.

Yes, the Dunning-Kruger Effect is alive and well on college campuses.

I was guilty of it for a while, but I grew out of it. Now days I
really, really want other people to break free of it.

Most people grow out of it. But there has been a concerted effort over the past few decades to now allow people to grow up.


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Mike Powell wrote to KURT WEISKE <=-

I agree with this if we are talking about electives, or requirements
like a required Ethics class for Business majors. I have serious
doubts about the "well-roundedness" and employability of persons who
major in some of those fields, though.

Aside: Steve Jobs talked about how a calligraphy class he took helped
shape his desires for a graphical operating system with WYSIWYG apps
and display fonts. If he hadn't taken that class, he says, he wouldn't
have been inspired to go in that direction.

Of course, you could say that just sent him to Xerox PARC to steal their
ideas, but potato, tomato... :)



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Social interaction is definitely a huge issue these days. I see my niece's

>> kids up at the cottage here beside me with beaches and water toys and
>> boats and nature hikes etc.. and, if they aren't thrown out of the cottage,
>> they would spend almost all their time laying on a couch with their
>> faces in a Tablet, and this has been going on since they were as young
>> as 3 or 4 years old. They are now about 6 and 9..

It is good that your niece gets them motivated to be outdoors and not

>constantly online. A lot of kids seem to lack that motivation and it shows.

My Niece is a teacher for young grades (K to 3) which may have her more
up to date on things like that.. however like most adults with kids and
a full time job, her time is well spoken for so she probably lets the
Tablets 'babysit' for her some of the time as well.

As for school stuff, I think you retain more when you read it in a book

>> rather than from a screen, but I may be prejudiced since I normally read
>> about 200 paper books a year.. B)

I used to read a lot more than I do now, but I don't think I ever got up to

>reading that many in a year. ;)

Just goes to show how little goes on in my single life.. B)

But I only watch TV in the evenings, other than catching the news
while having lunch, and other than all the unusual work I have to
do to survive here, I don't have too many hobbies other than
computers to take up my time.

Speaking of.. Just went through a very nasty day.. Freezing rain
knocked out the power for about 27 hours and it was a bit of a
battle to keep myself from freezing and the freezer from thawing.
I think I managed okay. I won't know for sure about the fridge until
I get into some things.

I hear there are still about 350,000 homes without power so this
was a pretty big event.

I keep wondering if I should buy a generator but losing the power
for more than a couple of hours is very rare, maybe only happens
once every 5 or 6 years, so I usually talk myself out of it..
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College was a little better since I went to a more technical college getting a technical degree. But I was very angry about the number of BS classes that I had to take to "be a well rounded student".

The colleges I went to call those "liberal arts" and/or "general education."

>se classes were fun and interesting, but what good is a 101 knowledge of anyt
>g?

There may be some use for things like that. It introduces you to other
things and you may decide to change what you will do for a living based
on this new experience. I've done a huge variety of different jobs
through my life from running a laboratory to custom painting motorcycles
to computer programming to plumbing and electrical work on houses and
property maintenance and selling Real Estate.

Without some early experince in a variety of skills I might have ended
up stuck in one job or maybe if that job went away, unable to easily
find another place to do it..

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I'm not sure you can generalize to that extent. I'm sure there are lots
of Republican pedophiles as well. I think you'll probably find that most people involved in schools are pro-Democrat mainly because, in my experience, Democrats (Liberals) generally are willing to put more money into running the schools. That's one of the first places Republicans cut costs, that and health care..

You are right about all that, but to me it seems like too much of a coinciden

>that Democrats have full control of our schools, our kids are required to att
> school, and that their loyal servants occasionally molest kids. To me, that
>ms like it was planned and like it was their agenda since day 1.

And Republicans are no saints either, but the ratio if Democrats charged with

>x crimes to Republicans charged with sex crimes is staggering.

You'd know more about that in your area/country than I would. I don't run
into too many newscasts about teachers abusing students here, like maybe
once every 5 or 6 years, but even that doesn't mean you hear about all
of it BUT I may hear about it more often than average since my Niece is
a teacher and would hear things that could maybe be kept out of the news.

Again, I don't think you can judge the likelihood of someone being a
pedophile based on political leanings however, if most teachers are
Democrats, then just on the averages there would be more democrat
pedophiles in the school system.

Going by my sister and niece, both teachers past and present, it
always seemed the only reason they wanted a Liberal government in
power is that they gave more money to the school system which means
better equipment, working conditions and higher pay.

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As for school stuff, I think you retain more when you read it in a book rather than from a screen, but I may be prejudiced since I normally
read about 200 paper books a year..

I love paper books, but as I get older, I appreciate my Kindle more - no

>more needing to find the right place with the right lighting.

Especially since most of reading tends to used SF and mystery paperbacks

>- yellowing paper a faded ink is a low-contrast combination.

Yes, there sure is a wide variety of different fonts and such in printed
books from huge to almost unreadable 'bible print'. That's one advantage
of eReaders, you can generally change the font size to please yourself.

I have a computer obviously, plus a Phone, Tablet and eReader, all able
to read almost any format of eBooks, and most of the time I will choose
the Tablet to read from. The lesser battery life can be annoying at times,
and it's heavier, but I like the back-lit screen and the larger format
that puts more on each 'page'..

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I agree with this if we are talking about electives, or requirements like a required Ethics class for Business majors. I have serious
doubts about the "well-roundedness" and employability of persons who major in some of those fields, though.

Aside: Steve Jobs talked about how a calligraphy class he took helped
shape his desires for a graphical operating system with WYSIWYG apps
and display fonts. If he hadn't taken that class, he says, he wouldn't
have been inspired to go in that direction.

Of course, you could say that just sent him to Xerox PARC to steal their ideas, but potato, tomato... :)

LOL, well at least the inspiration to do so has an inspirational story
behind it. :D


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Speaking of.. Just went through a very nasty day.. Freezing rain
knocked out the power for about 27 hours and it was a bit of a
battle to keep myself from freezing and the freezer from thawing.
I think I managed okay. I won't know for sure about the fridge until
I get into some things.

Sounds like you got into some of the weather than Michigan's upper lower peninsula got. There were areas that they were reporting were 100% without power. Meanwhile, the lower part of the state was getting tornadoes and
wind damage. At one point, I think the freezing rain warning was only separated from a tornado or thunderstorm warning by one county.

I hear there are still about 350,000 homes without power so this
was a pretty big event.

That is a big event, especially when you consider that the area includes portions of sparse population.

I keep wondering if I should buy a generator but losing the power
for more than a couple of hours is very rare, maybe only happens
once every 5 or 6 years, so I usually talk myself out of it..

Same here. It is usually an hour or two so I also talk myself out of it. ;)


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There may be some use for things like that. It introduces you to other things and you may decide to change what you will do for a living based
on this new experience. I've done a huge variety of different jobs
through my life from running a laboratory to custom painting motorcycles to computer programming to plumbing and electrical work on houses and property maintenance and selling Real Estate.

I'm glad that electives (liberal arts/gen ed, etc) were useful for you. They probably are more useful to me than I realize, but I just don't see it yet.

Without some early experince in a variety of skills I might have ended
up stuck in one job or maybe if that job went away, unable to easily
find another place to do it..

But can you credit any 101 courses with giving you job skills? I can't, but I've never held a job that requires a college education.

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Again, I don't think you can judge the likelihood of someone being a pedophile based on political leanings however, if most teachers are Democrats, then just on the averages there would be more democrat pedophiles in the school system.

That's a good point, and I didn't think about it that way (the teacher thing) but when I talk about Democrats vs Republicans and their "sex crimes" I'm referring to actual elected officials. The list of convicted Democrats is longer than the list of Republicans.

I know that a lot of liberal-leaning people are just sweet, innocent, happy-go-lucky people. But I strongly suspect that there is a correlation between pedophilia and the foundation of the Democrat Party. Remember: these are the guys who bought slaves, fought to keep them enslaved, segregated their descendants after slavery, and continue to exploit their descendants to this day. So overpowering people is right up their alley.

Going by my sister and niece, both teachers past and present, it
always seemed the only reason they wanted a Liberal government in
power is that they gave more money to the school system which means
better equipment, working conditions and higher pay.

That's another good point that you've brought up. People like it when Liberals (I'm talking the Liberal Party) do nice things for them. It's hard to dislike money, but I swear, someone's gotta do it.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Rob Mccart <=-

I'm glad that electives (liberal arts/gen ed, etc) were useful for you. They probably are more useful to me than I realize, but I just don't
see it yet.

It depends on your career and classes. A class in Internal Engine Combustion Chemistry isn't worth much if you are an electrician. But a class in soldering would be very useful.

In college, I took a humanities class in Logic that covered boolean logic. As a computer scientist, it was a very useful class. But a chemist wouldn't find much value in it.

But can you credit any 101 courses with giving you job skills? I can't, but I've never held a job that requires a college education.

101 courses don't provide job skills. They either are:
1. Weed out courses for students who aren't serious about their major.
or
2. They provide the knowledge that the next layer of classes builds on to give you job skills.


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In college, I took a humanities class in Logic that covered boolean
logic. As a computer scientist, it was a very useful class. But a chemist wouldn't find much value in it.

I can relate by saying that some of the 101 classes I took helped me with my hobbies, but of course it's not stuff that I would put on a job application or resume.

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Speaking of.. Just went through a very nasty day.. Freezing rain

>> knocked out the power for about 27 hours and it was a bit of a
>> battle to keep myself from freezing and the freezer from thawing.

Sounds like you got into some of the weather than Michigan's upper lower

>peninsula got. There were areas that they were reporting were 100% without
>power. Meanwhile, the lower part of the state was getting tornadoes and
>wind damage. At one point, I think the freezing rain warning was only
>separated from a tornado or thunderstorm warning by one county.

Yes.. welcome to Spring.. We got 4 inches of new snow this afternoon
and it is being followed by a fair amount of freezing rain again,
later turning to just rain. Tomorrow it will be up to near 50f.
But a week from now they predict some daytime highs back down below
freezing. It's all over the place this year.

I hear there are still about 350,000 homes without power so this

>> was a pretty big event.

That is a big event, especially when you consider that the area includes

>portions of sparse population.

Other reports had that number as high as 390,000 people. I suspect
that the difference is one report was the total and the other was
the number still without power at the time.

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I've done a huge variety of different jobs
through my life from running a laboratory to custom painting motorcycles
to computer programming to plumbing and electrical work on houses and property maintenance and selling Real Estate.

Without some early experince in a variety of skills I might have ended
up stuck in one job or maybe if that job went away, unable to easily
find another place to do it..

But can you credit any 101 courses with giving you job skills? I can't,

> but I've never held a job that requires a college education.

Most of my skills were self taught. I did take college courses for things
like licensing to sell Real Estate and such but mostly, if I couldn't sort
out something I wanted to try on my own, I'd find a book to show me.

So, I don't have a degree as such.. In comparison to the USA I would
have the equivalent of 1 year of universtity, plus a few college courses
to learn a specific thing.

In high school I did the hardest thing, took both the courses required
to get into university plus I took all the Technical courses as well,
things like automotive repair, metal working, carpentry and drafting..
In my final year, which was for university prep only, I took 3 maths,
2 sciences, history, english and (briefly) a health sciences course.

But after all that, plus SAT scores in the top 6%, I never did
apply to a university after I found out that most people who took
the course I wanted to take (aeronautical engineering) were mostly
all doing other jobs because so little in that field was available.

Maybe I'd have been one of the lucky ones but, by that point, I
was starting to be disillusioned with life in general.
Too many years of never missing school while still working close
to full time hours at the same time. Burn out..

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That's a good point, and I didn't think about it that way (the teacher thing)

>but when I talk about Democrats vs Republicans and their "sex crimes" I'm ref
>ing to actual elected officials. The list of convicted Democrats is longer th
>the list of Republicans.

I see.. that's interesting.. If you mean convictions in general, not
just sex crimes, I'd have expected the reverse to be true since Republicans
are usually the Money people, and they often break laws making that money.

I know that a lot of liberal-leaning people are just sweet, innocent, happy-g

>ucky people. But I strongly suspect that there is a correlation between pedop
>ia and the foundation of the Democrat Party. Remember: these are the guys who
>ught slaves, fought to keep them enslaved, segregated their descendants after
>avery, and continue to exploit their descendants to this day. So overpowering
>ople is right up their alley.

That's another surprise.. I'd have though the people who owned slaves
were wealthy people, since slaves were not nearly as cheap as most people
think they were, and they wanted them to work huge plantations so that
also says wealthy people to me, and generally the Rich are Republicans.

(Some estimate the cost to buy a slave in the 1800's in today's dollars
would work out to about $60,000 for a prime one.)

Also, most slavery was in the Southern States and are they not
notoriously Republican there, even the poor ones? I know that up
here the rural people and farmers are virtually all Conservatives
rather than Left leaning. They put a high value on hard work.
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Sounds like you got into some of the weather than Michigan's upper lower

>peninsula got. There were areas that they were reporting were 100% without
>power. Meanwhile, the lower part of the state was getting tornadoes and
>wind damage. At one point, I think the freezing rain warning was only
>separated from a tornado or thunderstorm warning by one county.

Yes.. welcome to Spring.. We got 4 inches of new snow this afternoon
and it is being followed by a fair amount of freezing rain again,
later turning to just rain. Tomorrow it will be up to near 50f.
But a week from now they predict some daytime highs back down below
freezing. It's all over the place this year.

With the severe weather here last night, I was doing a lot of radar and map watching. One of the local TV station weather apps shows the watches and warnings for Ontario, too. It was pretty interesting seeing that one town
was getting heavy rain and under a thunderstorm watch, while another town
that looked to be about 20-30 minutes east was getting winter precipitation.

Other reports had that number as high as 390,000 people. I suspect
that the difference is one report was the total and the other was
the number still without power at the time.

That is probably right.


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In high school I did the hardest thing, took both the courses required
to get into university plus I took all the Technical courses as well, things like automotive repair, metal working, carpentry and drafting..
In my final year, which was for university prep only, I took 3 maths,
2 sciences, history, english and (briefly) a health sciences course.

Some countries (not the USA) are smart about how they get high school students ready for life after high school. All that stuff you took in high school is stuff that I consider to be very useful. The high school kids in Panama take college prep courses too. But here in the states, where the left has way too much control over education, they're preparing our kids for idiotic things like segregation, civil rights protests, and irrational fear.

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I see.. that's interesting.. If you mean convictions in general, not
just sex crimes, I'd have expected the reverse to be true since Republicans are usually the Money people, and they often break laws
making that money.

I'm not a fan of the Republican party, and I don't have much energy in me to defend them, but I think this is a misconception based on recent news about "Trump, the Republican, guilty of a felony."

Wikipedia has a list of politicians convicted of crimes, and I scrolled to the bottom of the list to the crimes that occurred in my lifetime, and it's mostly Democrats, and it's mostly Democrats taking bribes and/or misappropriating campaign funds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_federal_politicians_convicted_of _crimes

Both parties have a lot of bad actors, but the Democrats not only have more than their share of sex crime convictions, but they're also the party who has (in many instances) pushed for legislation that is geared towards protecting sex offenders.

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https://tinyurl.com/fidoguy3

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I'm glad that electives (liberal arts/gen ed, etc) were useful for you. They probably are more useful to me than I realize, but I just don't
see it yet.

It depends on your career and classes. A class in Internal Engine Combustion

>Chemistry isn't worth much if you are an electrician. But a class in solderi
>would be very useful.

In college, I took a humanities class in Logic that covered boolean logic. A

>a computer scientist, it was a very useful class. But a chemist wouldn't fin
>much value in it.

Part of the problem is you don't know ahead of time. Even though I was exceptional at it I figured Algebra (and Calculus) would be a total waste
of time in real life, but later found myself writing computer software
with as many as 20 levels of parenthesis.. Run-away Algebra.. B)

But taking Automotive Repair and Electronics came in handy too..

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Rob Mccart <=-

But can you credit any 101 courses with giving you job skills? I can't, but I've never held a job that requires a college education.

I studied computer science and took business classes in the summer time. Accounting 101 got my foot in the door at my college bookstore. I later
took a job supporting their computer system and writing code, and it jump-started my career.



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But can you credit any 101 courses with giving you job skills? I can' but I've never held a job that requires a college education.

I studied computer science and took business classes in the summer time. Accounting 101 got my foot in the door at my college bookstore. I later took a job supporting their computer system and writing code, and it jump-started my career.

Accounting 101 sounds like a useful course to take. And I think a college bookstore manager could easily understand the value of it.

But would people outside the college understand how good that course is? (I doubt it.)

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Yes.. welcome to Spring.. We got 4 inches of new snow this afternoon

>> and it is being followed by a fair amount of freezing rain again,
>> later turning to just rain. Tomorrow it will be up to near 50f.
>> But a week from now they predict some daytime highs back down below
>> freezing. It's all over the place this year.

With the severe weather here last night, I was doing a lot of radar and map

>watching. One of the local TV station weather apps shows the watches and
>warnings for Ontario, too. It was pretty interesting seeing that one town
>was getting heavy rain and under a thunderstorm watch, while another town
>that looked to be about 20-30 minutes east was getting winter precipitation.

Yes, my sister still doesn't have power back on. It is supposed to be
back on by late Sunday if they are to be believed..
They said mine would be out for 10 hours and it turned into 27 hours.

But that freezing rain was in a pretty band, maybe 25 miles wide
(and hundreds of miles long), and everyone above or below that strip
got different weather that was a lot easier to deal with..
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In high school I did the hardest thing, took both the courses required
to get into university plus I took all the Technical courses as well, things like automotive repair, metal working, carpentry and drafting..
In my final year, which was for university prep only, I took 3 maths,
2 sciences, history, english and (briefly) a health sciences course.

Some countries (not the USA) are smart about how they get high school student

>eady for life after high school. All that stuff you took in high school is st
> that I consider to be very useful. The high school kids in Panama take colle
>prep courses too. But here in the states, where the left has way too much con
>l over education, they're preparing our kids for idiotic things like segregat
>, civil rights protests, and irrational fear.

Yes, there were crap courses here as well that people took just to
get enough credits to get into a university or college but the one
of those I tried out I couldn't hack. I was bored silly..

We had 2 major different course sets in high school.

A 4 year course to grade 12 where you took those technical courses
like auto repair and electronics..

Then there was the 5 year course to grade 13 with more complex maths
and sciences to prep you for University.

Normally you didn't take classes from both of those but I decided
I wanted to and they cursed me trying to sort out a schedule that
would let me do it, but it was worked out in the end..

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I'd have expected the reverse to be true since
Republicans are usually the Money people, and they often break laws
making that money.

I'm not a fan of the Republican party, and I don't have much energy in me to

>end them, but I think this is a misconception based on recent news about "Tru
> the Republican, guilty of a felony."

Wikipedia has a list of politicians convicted of crimes, and I scrolled to th

>ottom of the list to the crimes that occurred in my lifetime, and it's mostly
>mocrats, and it's mostly Democrats taking bribes and/or misappropriating camp
>n funds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_federal_politicians_convicted_

>_crimes

Both parties have a lot of bad actors, but the Democrats not only have more t

> their share of sex crime convictions, but they're also the party who has (in
>ny instances) pushed for legislation that is geared towards protecting sex of
>ders.

I guess we can't trust any of them too far.. It seems most of the 'crimes'
we hear about our politicians doing in Canada are not really serious.
As you mentioned, a little misappropriation of money for things it wasn't intended for or getting holiday trips from people trying to swing the
vote of someone in gov't..

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Rob Mccart wrote to Dr. What <=-

Part of the problem is you don't know ahead of time.

Yes. And no.

When you go into college, you should have a pretty clear career choice by then.
So you should have a good idea what classes would be beneficial to your career. Anything questionable should be easily explained by the department heads.

Ex: I had to take a class in programming in machine code (the real "it's all 1's and 0's programming). But I would never do that in my career simply because it's too expensive for a company to produce software like that.

But the dept heads said that was helpful to understand how things work at that level. And they were right.

But no one could explain how the Economics classes would help me in any way.

Even though I was exceptional at it I figured Algebra (and Calculus)
would be a total waste of time in real life, but later found myself writing computer software
with as many as 20 levels of parenthesis.. Run-away Algebra.. B)

I took math all the way through Differential Equations. I even took an elective in Celestial Mechanics (now **that's** some complex math). And never used anything more than the Algebra that I learned in the 8th grade.

About the only thing the higher level math helped me with was getting more through Bruce Schneier's books on cryptography. But that's more of a hobby.

But taking Automotive Repair and Electronics came in handy too..

Certainly. But like you said above, we don't know what the future will bring. I took classes in both auto repair and electronics later in life. But more for hobby use and never used them in my work.


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Aaron Thomas wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

Accounting 101 sounds like a useful course to take. And I think a
college bookstore manager could easily understand the value of it.

But would people outside the college understand how good that course
is? (I doubt it.)

Back when I was in high school, I already knew I wanted to go in to computers. Learning to type would be a big benefit. My school had Typing classes but they were geared toward secretaries - so even the first class probably wouldn't have been too useful for me.

But they had a special class called "Personal Typing" which was geared toward those of us who needed to know how to type, but would not be secretaries.

We need more classes like that but in other subjects. Accounting. Economics.

Side note:
With all the practice that I got programming through high school, by the end of my senior year, I could out-type the ladies in the regular Typing classes.


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I guess we can't trust any of them too far.. It seems most of the 'crimes' we hear about our politicians doing in Canada are not really serious. As you mentioned, a little misappropriation of money for things it wasn't intended for or getting holiday trips from people trying to swing the vote of someone in gov't..

I love Canada. Try to preserve its innocence the best you can!

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Side note:
With all the practice that I got programming through high school, by the end of my senior year, I could out-type the ladies in the regular Typing classes.

Didn't BBSing help you turn into a faster typer? That's what did it for me.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

Didn't BBSing help you turn into a faster typer? That's what did it for me.

By the time I "discovered" BBSs, I had already been programming for 4 years.


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I studied computer science and took business classes in the summer time. Accounting 101 got my foot in the door at my college bookstore. I later took a job supporting their computer system and writing code, and it jump-started my career.

Accounting 101 sounds like a useful course to take. And I think a college boo

>ore manager could easily understand the value of it.

But would people outside the college understand how good that course is? (I d

>t it.)

Not entirely related but in my earlier working years, working for bigger companies rather than self employed, I often took any job I could get
to get into a company and usually within a few months I was doing
something else at higher pay after showing them what I could do.

Not at all a comment on you guys but the number of people I've run into
over the years with university degrees that were total idiots is amazing.

Too often all a company will look for is a university degree. This is
how we end up with so many twits working for the government.. B)

Ha.. On a somewhat unrelated line.. I once applied for work at
the post office when they had a hiring blitz going on. I figured
it was a relatively stable job with good pay and benefits, but
the hiring process was pretty extreme with I.Q. and Psyche tests
required. I later heard back from them and was told that I was not
suited for the job because I'd scored too high on the I.Q. tests.

There was probably a message in there somewhere.. B)

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Not at all a comment on you guys but the number of people I've run into over the years with university degrees that were total idiots is amazing.

This probably depends on where you end up working. My wife works at a place where everyone has an associates degree or higher, and this seems to be the most respectful and most professional group of people she's ever worked with (according to her, and according to what I'm hearing about it.)

Ha.. On a somewhat unrelated line.. I once applied for work at
the post office when they had a hiring blitz going on. I figured
it was a relatively stable job with good pay and benefits, but
the hiring process was pretty extreme with I.Q. and Psyche tests
required. I later heard back from them and was told that I was not
suited for the job because I'd scored too high on the I.Q. tests.

I had the opposite experience. I took a test to become eligible for a postal worker job and I failed, bigtime. It was a memorization test, and I couldn't memorize the stuff. They gave us like 5 minutes to read and try to memorize addresses, and I couldn't do it. (But I swear that I could deliver mail just as well as the next guy if I were given the chance.)

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Rob Mccart <=-

This probably depends on where you end up working. My wife works at a place where everyone has an associates degree or higher, and this seems
to be the most respectful and most professional group of people she's
ever worked with (according to her, and according to what I'm hearing about it.)

I see the same.

I work in a place where we have mostly professionals. The whole environment is respectful and peaceful.

My wife, however, works in place where are mostly non-professionals and the whole environment is controlling, backstabbing, catty, etc. Management does its best to reign things in, but they need to get the work done.


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When you go into college, you should have a pretty clear career choice by the

> So you should have a good idea what classes would be beneficial to your
>career.

That's one of those 'in a perfect world' situations. Many people going
into University have no idea what they want to do after graduation.
Hopefully they figure it out on time to take some courses that will
be of use. It's courses like for doctors or lawyers or business where
students know exactly what they need to take. And college is generally
more for learning a job than a general education, although I guess you
can't speak for all students.

Ex: I had to take a class in programming in machine code (the real "it's all

>1's and 0's programming). But I would never do that in my career simply
>because it's too expensive for a company to produce software like that.

I bought University text books on programming and taught myself. I didn't
stick with it long enough to get into learning the newer programming
langauges though so I became obsolete other than doing it for my own use.
But, knowing those basics of programming helps you better understand
how computers and software works which is helpful too.

But no one could explain how the Economics classes would help me in any way.

Depending on exactly what they were teaching it could be handy just in
your everyday life, coping with balancing spending and best ways to
save for the things you want or need. There are far too many people
out there who can't balance s check book.. B)

But taking Automotive Repair and Electronics came in handy too..

Certainly. But like you said above, we don't know what the future will bring

>I took classes in both auto repair and electronics later in life. But more f
>hobby use and never used them in my work.

Being able to do a lot of stuff like that was the only way I could
afford, early on, my custom motorcycles and muscle cars, and later
how to keep an old house I bought fuctioning without having to call
a plumber or electrician for every little thing.

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I guess we can't trust any of them too far.. It seems most of the
'crimes' we hear about our politicians doing in Canada are not really serious. As you mentioned, a little misappropriation of money for things
it wasn't intended for or getting holiday trips from people trying to
swing the vote of someone in gov't..

I love Canada. Try to preserve its innocence the best you can!

Right.. I hope that's what it is, and not just well hidden.. B)

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Side note:
With all the practice that I got programming through high school, by the end of my senior year, I could out-type the ladies in the regular Typing classes.

Didn't BBSing help you turn into a faster typer? That's what did it for me.

When I was still in grade school and my sister was in highschool she
took typing classes and I used to type all my assignments for school.
My 4 finger typing got fast enough that my mother said she could
never tell if it was me or my sister she heard typing on the manual
typewriter we had..

This was long before computers though. I'm probably a lot faster
now than I was then after decades using a keyboard.. B)
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Not at all a comment on you guys but the number of people I've run into over the years with university degrees that were total idiots is amazing.

This probably depends on where you end up working.

Actually, my most memorable experience with that was a woman I dated
for a year. I figured having a University degree was no guarantee of
high intelligence if she was any example.. B)

Oddly, during one long day when at the family home I met her brother
who was about to graduate university and he started off talking
down to me because he'd heard I didn't have a degree, but then we
got into talking computer programming and other complex issues and
he ended up changing his thinking about me..

He was a lot smarter than his sister though.. B)

Ha.. On a somewhat unrelated line.. I once applied for work at
the post office when they had a hiring blitz going on. I figured
it was a relatively stable job with good pay and benefits, but
the hiring process was pretty extreme with I.Q. and Psyche tests
required. I later heard back from them and was told that I was not
suited for the job because I'd scored too high on the I.Q. tests.

I had the opposite experience. I took a test to become eligible for a postal

>ker job and I failed, bigtime. It was a memorization test, and I couldn't mem
>ze the stuff. They gave us like 5 minutes to read and try to memorize address
> and I couldn't do it. (But I swear that I could deliver mail just as well as
>e next guy if I were given the chance.)

That was so long ago I don't even remember what was on the tests but
it took a couple of hours to do it as I recall.. But there was a
whole room of people taking the tests. Maybe they were opening a
new post office branch or something.

In more recent years I wrote 3 hours of tests for a possible job,
the tests supplied and marked by an outide agency at a cost of
$300 to the place wanting to hire you. In the end I didn't get the
job because someone in head office decided to give the job to an
existing employee instead, but when they called me back to explain
that to me, the guy who was there when I did the test, laughed and
said he shouldn't probably show it to me but he got out the test
results and the two main comments on it were that I would have to
be careful because I might be too friendly with the workers which
can make giving orders a challenge..
But the funny part was, they said that I had scored so high on the
Math and Physics parts of the I.Q. test they *highly* suspected
I had cheated. Since the guy who gave me the test was sitting
there with me the whole time he knew that wasn't possible.

As for memory, I'm not sure I was really great at that, although
in school I never studied for tests or did homework that wasn't
going to be marked and still managed to get through.. But later
I went into Real Estate for a while and the college courses for
the licensing involved a bunch of long, complex, legal phrasing
to draw up a legal sales document. In real life you can just
copy that from somewhere in the office but not when taking tests.

You needed 80% to pass the test, and I got 89% I recall, but after
the final class where we were given our marks the teacher pulled
me aside before I left and said that I had all the legal phrases
in my clauses that were required but my wording was quite a bit
different than what they had given us to memorize and he asked
where I'd gotten them. I told him that I didn't memorize the
clauses, I just learned what they had to contain and then wrote
them from scratch on the exam..

So.. still memory work I guess but not empty memorizing that a
lot of people might do without understanding why it was required.

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Rob Mccart wrote to Dr. What <=-

That's one of those 'in a perfect world' situations. Many people going into University have no idea what they want to do after graduation.

Then they didn't do their homework. You should know that before your senior year of high school.

students know exactly what they need to take. And college is generally more for learning a job than a general education, although I guess you can't speak for all students.

"Career" is probably a better word than "job", but yes. We are spending lots of money (mostly in room and board, BTW) to get an education in our chosen career. Anything that takes us away from educational focus is a waste of money and time.

But, yes, that's not all students. I had a cousin who went to college to get her MRS degree (i.e. find a husband). Others go to take some feel good classes that are worthless in the real world.

I bought University text books on programming and taught myself. I
didn't stick with it long enough to get into learning the newer programming langauges though so I became obsolete other than doing it
for my own use. But, knowing those basics of programming helps you
better understand how computers and software works which is helpful
too.

Yup. My first class was in FORTRAN. Worthess? Nope. It got me a summer job fixing FORTRAN programs at a large auto company. Another line on my resume.

After that, it was all Pascal in college. But that was to teach us good programming habits. Which served us well when we got to C.

I did take a class in COBOL (which was offered by the business school) and that got me a decade of paychecks. And more experience. And more resume lines.

Depending on exactly what they were teaching it could be handy just in your everyday life, coping with balancing spending and best ways to
save for the things you want or need. There are far too many people
out there who can't balance s check book.. B)

And I would agree with you if that was what the Economics class was about. But it wasn't.

Balancing a checkbook and such was taught to me by my parents.

Being able to do a lot of stuff like that was the only way I could
afford, early on, my custom motorcycles and muscle cars, and later
how to keep an old house I bought fuctioning without having to call
a plumber or electrician for every little thing.

Yup. We gain skills. We use them. We gain experience. Get better jobs. Gain more skills and experience. Get better jobs. Etc.

It works great until the worthless people decry the Meritocracy.


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