I heard D'Bridge can be used with Net2BBS. Is this true ? can Net2BBS pass a connection to D'Bridge, and then D'Bridge passes a caller to the BBS ?

I am not sure how Net2BBS works. I tend to think of it as something that allows programs to piggyback off a live connection (ie. Data Carrier Detect has to be high) (which is why it will not work with a program in Wait For Caller mode).

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On 07 Mar 21 18:10:00, Marceline Jones said the following to All:

I heard D'Bridge can be used with Net2BBS. Is this true ? can Net2BBS pass connection to D'Bridge, and then D'Bridge passes a caller to the BBS ?

Yes it can. It can accept mail packet transfers, file requests, EMSI sessions over Telnet just as if it was using a modem.

I am not sure how Net2BBS works. I tend to think of it as something that allows programs to piggyback off a live connection (ie. Data Carrier Detect has to be high) (which is why it will not work with a program in Wait For Caller mode).

Correct, it won't work in WFC mode because the BBS or mailer is not telnet-aware, only serial-aware.

The logic is Net2BBS accepts an incoming telnet connection and spawns a new CMD process. That usually consists of a batch file that should first load the included Fossil driver NetFOSS. Then the NetCOM program is called with the telnet socket handle passed to it along with whatever command or batch file to start the mailer or BBS. After the connection has ended, the Fossil driver
is uninstalled and the batch file exists.

For example, a batch file called DBRUN.CMD. Parameter %1 is the telnet handle from Net2BBS (*H I think)

cd \DB
echo > LINE1.OTL
netfoss /n1 /x
netcom /n1 /h%1 db.exe
netfoss /u
del LINE1.OTL
exit

D'Bridge must first be told that when it runs to assume that a caller is "on the line" and to exit when the call completes. So you create a dummy
semaphore file called LINE1.OTL in the DB directory.

In D'Bridge Setup, Config-Advanced, BBS Configuration you specify the
commands to run your DOS-based BBS. Then in Config-Comm/Modem you would specify COM1 along with the OTHERMDM (Generic modem) template. Exit and save.

Start Net2BBS, test by telnetting locally. Net2BBS should spawn DBRUN.CMD which loads D'Bridge. In your telnet session you see the D'Bridge logo
followed by "Press ESC twice to access the BBS". Doing so will swap the mailer out to execute whatever commands you specified. When the BBS terminates, the session returns to the mailer which at this point has sensed "dropped carrier" and thus terminates back to DBRUN... which exits.

Nick

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D'Bridge must first be told that when it runs to assume that a caller
is "on the line" and to exit when the call completes. So you create a dummy semaphore file called LINE1.OTL in the DB directory.

Ah ok.

You are running D'Bridge like a door.

That is cheating :)

Start Net2BBS, test by telnetting locally. Net2BBS should spawn
DBRUN.CMD which loads D'Bridge. In your telnet session you see the D'Bridge logo followed by "Press ESC twice to access the BBS". Doing so will swap the mailer out to execute whatever commands you specified.
When the BBS terminates, the session returns to the mailer which at
this point has sensed "dropped carrier" and thus terminates back to DBRUN... which exits.

Why cannot Net2BBS just pass the raw connection to D'Bridge WFC mode ? is it because the author wants to sell NetSerial instead ?

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Why cannot Net2BBS just pass the raw connection to D'Bridge WFC mode ? is it because the author wants to sell NetSerial instead ?

Hmmmmmm ... you do know who D'Bridge's maintainer/author is and how much he charges for that ... right ?

Besides, I think there's something wrong with your clock setting ...

\%/@rd

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On 14 Mar 21 17:09:00, Marceline Jones said the following to Nick Andre:

You are running D'Bridge like a door.

That is cheating :)

"I'm allowed to look at the menu... but I cannot order anything".

Why cannot Net2BBS just pass the raw connection to D'Bridge WFC mode ? is i because the author wants to sell NetSerial instead ?

Possibly. No matter how much messing around I just could never get it working in the WFC method.

The author of Net2BBS/Net2Serial is actually a pretty cool guy.

Nick

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The author of Net2BBS/Net2Serial is actually a pretty cool guy.

Nick

I second that!

Ruben Figueroa aka Zazz
Mystic Prison Board Sysop
telnet://pbmystic.rdfig.net:24
Web: www.rdfig.net

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Why cannot Net2BBS just pass the raw connection to D'Bridge WFC mode ? is it because the author wants to sell NetSerial instead ?

Hmmmmmm ... you do know who D'Bridge's maintainer/author is and how
much he charges for that ... right ?

I know he charged an arm and a leg:

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D'Bridge EMAIL System - Single-line 1.58 Ordering Information / 5 April 1994 ...
|-----------------------------------------------------------------|
| Item Quantity Price Extension |
| |
| D'Bridge/Single-line License _________ $139.00* _________ |
| |
| D'Bridge/Single-line SIX-PACK _________ $695.00* _________ |
...
==================================================

Besides, I think there's something wrong with your clock setting ...

What is wrong with my clock setting ?

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You are running D'Bridge like a door.

That is cheating :)

"I'm allowed to look at the menu... but I cannot order anything".

Order whatever you want, but I know the missing menu bothers you.

Why cannot Net2BBS just pass the raw connection to D'Bridge WFC mode ? is i
because the author wants to sell NetSerial instead ?

Possibly. No matter how much messing around I just could never get it working in the WFC method.

The author of Net2BBS/Net2Serial is actually a pretty cool guy.

Yes I know.

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On 21 Mar 21 10:14:00, Marceline Jones said the following to Ward Dossche:

I know he charged an arm and a leg:

==================================================
D'Bridge EMAIL System - Single-line 1.58 Ordering Information / 5 April 199

You're talking about the original author... I never took a dime.

Nick

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Why cannot Net2BBS just pass the raw connection to D'Bridge WFC mode it because the author wants to sell NetSerial instead ?

Come on, thats not fair, two different softwares for two different
purposes. I use both. If you want to use FD or D'Bridge WFC screen, you
will have to use NetSerial, if you want to pass telnet infor to
something, and login, use net2bbs. A suggestion, if you want to have a 5
node system, make nodes 1-4 net2bbs on one port, and node 5, use
netserial on the last node to answer the mailer on a different port.
Give both out to your users. If they want to call node 5, they just hit
esc twice and log in as usual. Now you have a dedicated mail node, and 4
user nodes. Process all your events on node 5. It's doable.

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Hmmmmmm ... you do know who D'Bridge's maintainer/author is and how MJ>WD> much he charges for that ... right ?

I know he charged an arm and a leg:

I've used D'Bridge first as a point, later as a node, since 1988 or 1989.

Never paid a cent for it.

\%/@rd

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I know he charged an arm and a leg:

==================================================
D'Bridge EMAIL System - Single-line 1.58 Ordering Information / 5 April 19

WHERE are you getting all this OLD $H!T NEWS?!?!?!

DB is Free and Nick is the author. Please go post in the local bases where no one can read your posts.

... I don't want to be literate, I just want to program.

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will have to use NetSerial, if you want to pass telnet infor to
something, and login, use net2bbs. A suggestion, if you want to have a 5 node system, make nodes 1-4 net2bbs on one port, and node 5, use

That's how I have it on my board. But not too many mailer to mailer calls anymore, so I just load it when someone needs it.

... Budweiser: Breakfast of Champions

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I know he charged an arm and a leg:

==================================================
D'Bridge EMAIL System - Single-line 1.58 Ordering Information / 5 April 19

WHERE are you getting all this OLD $H!T NEWS?!?!?!

DB is Free and Nick is the author. Please go post in the local bases where no one can read your posts.

... I don't want to be literate, I just want to program.

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will have to use NetSerial, if you want to pass telnet infor to
something, and login, use net2bbs. A suggestion, if you want to have a 5 node system, make nodes 1-4 net2bbs on one port, and node 5, use

That's how I have it on my board. But not too many mailer to mailer calls anymore, so I just load it when someone needs it.

... Budweiser: Breakfast of Champions

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I know he charged an arm and a leg:

WHERE are you getting all this OLD $H!T NEWS?!?!?!

Chris Irwin is the originator of the product, he did charge for user-keys and had a complete network with commercial representation. Several authors tried to make a buck out of Fido but I think there were no major commercial successes.

So eventually in the 2nd part of the 90-ies Chris Irwin effectively abandoned it. He briefly showed-up at the end of 1999 to deal with some Y2K-issues but lived-up to the common perception that whenever he solved a bug in D'Bridge, he created 2 others. His Y2K-version was crap and removed here the day it was installed, went back to 1.85 and the by then known bugs with their work-arounds. I think around that time I was the only user remaining and that did't change for some years.

The work-arounds were lovely, I even managed to get 1.85 to function in an IP-environment.

Then came this spoiled bratt from somewhere Toronto who convinced Chris Irwin to release the code, which Chris eventually reluctantly did as if he was giving away the PIN-code of Fort Knox.

I think one of the first things Nick did was to kick-out the key-code ... and then the picture changed. New stuff happened ...

\%/@rd

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On 22 Mar 21 11:00:18, Ward Dossche said the following to T.J. Mcmillen:

Then came this spoiled bratt from somewhere Toronto who convinced Chris Irw to release the code, which Chris eventually reluctantly did as if he was giving away the PIN-code of Fort Knox.

Excuse me.... I'm a charming brat....

Nick

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BY: Marceline Jones(1:103/705)

I know he charged an arm and a leg:

==================================================
D'Bridge EMAIL System - Single-line 1.58 Ordering Information / 5 April 1994

He is not the original maintainer. He has offered it for free for the last decade or so. I sadly wish the wwiv maintainer had a twit filter. :(


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On 22 Mar 21 19:54:29, Matt Munson said the following to Marceline Jones:

He is not the original maintainer. He has offered it for free for the last decade or so. I sadly wish the wwiv maintainer had a twit filter. :(

You mean in the WWIVTOSS program?

Nick

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Then came this spoiled bratt from somewhere Toronto who convinced

Chris Irw

to release the code, which Chris eventually reluctantly did as if he

was

giving away the PIN-code of Fort Knox.

Excuse me.... I'm a charming brat....

That was in 2007 ...

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On 23 Mar 21 17:00:00, Ward Dossche said the following to Nick Andre:

Excuse me.... I'm a charming brat....

That was in 2007 ...

No less than your charm of shitting in a cardboard box at sea...

Nick

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That's how I have it on my board. But not too many mailer to mailer calls anymore, so I just load it when someone needs it.

I was thing of setting up GAP that way, and make node 10 the mailer, and
1-9 human. I know it works, as I've helped others do it, just haven't
kicked it into gear over here yet.

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I know he charged an arm and a leg:

==================================================
D'Bridge EMAIL System - Single-line 1.58 Ordering Information / 5 April 19

WHERE are you getting all this OLD $H!T NEWS?!?!?!

The information is cited from the program documentation.

DB is Free and Nick is the author. Please go post in the local bases where no one can read your posts.

D'Bridge was not free and Nick Andre was not the original author.

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Hmmmmmm ... you do know who D'Bridge's maintainer/author is and how
much he charges for that ... right ?

I know he charged an arm and a leg:

I've used D'Bridge first as a point, later as a node, since 1988 or
1989.
Never paid a cent for it.

According to its terms of use, should you have paid for it ?

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I know he charged an arm and a leg:

==================================================
D'Bridge EMAIL System - Single-line 1.58 Ordering Information / 5 April 199

You're talking about the original author... I never took a dime.

Yes well, first impressions last.

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last decade or so. I sadly wish the wwiv maintainer had a twit
filter. :(

You mean like Blue Wave ? :

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Why cannot Net2BBS just pass the raw connection to D'Bridge WFC mode it because the author wants to sell NetSerial instead ?

Come on, thats not fair, two different softwares for two different purposes. I use both. If you want to use FD or D'Bridge WFC screen,
you will have to use NetSerial, if you want to pass telnet infor to something, and login, use net2bbs. A suggestion, if you want to have a

I tend to think of Net2BBS as NetSerial Lite.

Does NetSerial have anti-portscanning features ?

5 node system, make nodes 1-4 net2bbs on one port, and node 5, use netserial on the last node to answer the mailer on a different port.
Give both out to your users. If they want to call node 5, they just
hit esc twice and log in as usual. Now you have a dedicated mail node, and 4 user nodes. Process all your events on node 5. It's doable.

If Net2BBS only spawns BBS processes on demand, then the "Who's Online" menu will not show all the nodes. I want people to see that I have 256 nodes waiting for a connection.

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On 27 Mar 21 10:16:00, Marceline Jones said the following to Nick Andre:

You're talking about the original author... I never took a dime.

Yes well, first impressions last.

I'm not quite sure I understand what that means?

Nick

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On 27 Mar 21 10:14:00, Marceline Jones said the following to T.J. Mcmillen:

The information is cited from the program documentation.

Can I politely ask what version documentation you are citing this from?

When I obtained the code in 2005-ish, the first thing I did was make it freeware. Word of mouth quickly spread and this echo exploded in
traffic, everyone being excited to see it being worked on again. There have been many releases since then. The most recent was... yesterday.

www.dbridgemailer.com

I've had Sysops offer to pay me for adding BinkD and TIC processing, offers
to pay me for support which I've very politely declined. I've answered international phone calls for troubleshooting, replied to countless emails
and Netmails... and never took a dime.

Ward will tell you enthusiastically... "Best pizza I ever bought".

D'Bridge was not free and Nick Andre was not the original author.

Everyone knows this... I'm sensing some hostility or a need to split hairs.

A famous Canuck band sang We're here for a good time, not a long time.

Nick

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On 23 Mar 21 15:58:03, C.G. Learn said the following to T.J. Mcmillen:

That's how I have it on my board. But not too many mailer to mailer calls anymore, so I just load it when someone needs it.

I was thing of setting up GAP that way, and make node 10 the mailer, and 1-9 human. I know it works, as I've helped others do it, just haven't kicked it into gear over here yet.

I have Renegade set up this way. Nodes 1 to 8 are telnet, 9 is the dialup modem line and my own local-logins.

Nick

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Yes well, first impressions last.

I'm not quite sure I understand what that means?

I wouldn't even reply to her .. she's just looking to start crap.

... Anyone who says he can see through women is missing a lot

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I know he charged an arm and a leg:

I've used D'Bridge first as a point, later as a node, since 1988 or MJ>WD> 1989.
Never paid a cent for it.

According to its terms of use, should you have paid for it ?

Well, I never did even though D'Bridge in those days could not function without one.

\%/@rd

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Re: Re: Net2BBS
By: Marceline Jones to C.G. LEARN on Sat Mar 27 2021 10:18:00

If Net2BBS only spawns BBS processes on demand, then the "Who's Online" menu will not show all the nodes. I want people to see that I have 256 nodes waiting for a connection.

generally speaking, easily handled by creating the proper disk-base semaphore files in the proper directory monitored by the BBS's "Who's Online" tool... but it depends on the system... some might use a binary data file which
would need to be modified with status updates for the nodes' statuses...

both options are relatively easily handled from the command line and thus from within script files as long as appropraite, possibly custom written, tools are available...


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I tend to think of Net2BBS as NetSerial Lite.

It's not, they are two compleatly different programs.

Does NetSerial have anti-portscanning features ?

I don't think so

If Net2BBS only spawns BBS processes on demand, then the "Who's Online" me will not show all the nodes. I want people to see that I have 256 nodes wa for a connection.

If you have 256 nodes set up in your BBS config, they should show up as
just "offline" or "Waiting For Call". Honestly in todays bbs world, why
would you want 256 nodes. If a caller hit "Whos Online", and has to
scroll through 12 pages of "waiting for calls", he/she is lible to
disconnect and move on. I would love to have all my nodes busy with
callers, but the fact is, that's not gonna happen these days. I have 15
nodes available, 5 for each one of my systems, and It's a good day if 2
nodes are busy at the same time by legit callers. Let's face it, most of
todays callers are other sysops in the hobby. I've been in this hobby
since the early 90's, and I've seen the day when I had ten callers on at
one time. I used to run a paid system, with 10 incomming phone lines,
and if felt good making that money, but I always put it back in the
system, and paid for dinners for my co sysops. I had a good run, about 3
years as a paid system, but eventually, I dropped the paid, and gave
free access to all. As a sysop, I try to be the best I can be, not the
biggest I can be. Give the user a quality system, make it your own, and
they will come.

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I have Renegade set up this way. Nodes 1 to 8 are telnet, 9 is the dialup modem line and my own local-logins.

Nick

Sometimes I think thats the best way. I try to make it as easy and fun
for the user as I can.

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On 27 Mar 21 16:09:27, C.G. Learn said the following to Marceline Jones:

If you have 256 nodes set up in your BBS config, they should show up as just "offline" or "Waiting For Call". Honestly in todays bbs world, why would you want 256 nodes. If a caller hit "Whos Online", and has to

This. Showing 256 nodes all idle (well, 255 if you count one person logged in to see the list), just seems a bit strange.

Nick

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This. Showing 256 nodes all idle (well, 255 if you count one person logged to see the list), just seems a bit strange.

I agree fully. I think I'm going to take the same approach as the others
have, and just stay quiet when it comes to this person. LOL, it's the
safest option.

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This. Showing 256 nodes all idle (well, 255 if you count one person

logged

to see the list), just seems a bit strange.

I agree fully. I think I'm going to take the same approach as the others have, and just stay quiet when it comes to this person. LOL, it's the
safest option.

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I'm running RemoteAccess (SW since it's impossible to register it seems) which is limited to 2 nodes.
I've had both nodes active at the same time a few times, but it's rare. Even with the addition of a Tetris door... :D

3 or 4 nodes would be plenty to avoid anyone ver seeing a 'busy' signal.

Back in the early to mid 90s I was a single node (poor high school student paying $10/mo for a second phone line in my mom's house) and could have mde use of more nodes. But today, traffic isn't so high (yet... here's hoping!)
:)

Aaron/DW

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BY: Aaron Grasswell(1:229/428)

I'm running RemoteAccess (SW since it's impossible to register it seems) which is limited to 2 nodes.
I've had both nodes active at the same time a few times, but it's rare. Even with the addition of a Tetris door... :D

EleBBS might be an alternative for you. You could run that instead.


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I'm running RemoteAccess (SW since it's impossible to register it seems) w is limited to 2 nodes.
I've had both nodes active at the same time a few times, but it's rare. E with the addition of a Tetris door... :D

Honestly, Since it's abandon ware, I thought there was a code generator
out there for it. I bought RAPro back in the late 90's, so I was lucky I
kept the key file. I resurected RA about 6 months ago, to complement my
SBBS and GAP systems. I've got 15 nodes total with all three systems,
and I've yet to see more than 2 users at a time. Honestly, I don't think
her computer would handle 256 telnet nodes active at one time, as thats
a lot of overhead. I think max would be about 10 to still have resources available for other things

3 or 4 nodes would be plenty to avoid anyone ver seeing a 'busy' signal.

Agreed, very much so these days

Back in the early to mid 90s I was a single node (poor high school student paying $10/mo for a second phone line in my mom's house) and could have md of more nodes. But today, traffic isn't so high (yet... here's hoping!)
:)

LOL, I hear ya. I wish I had some of the money back that I paid Ma Bell
back in the 90's to run the bbs.

Take care

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Andre:

You're talking about the original author... I never took a dime.

Yes well, first impressions last.

I'm not quite sure I understand what that means?

The phrase "First impressions last" means the initial idea, feeling or opinion formed by somebody is difficult to change. For example D'Bridge used to charge $139 USD for 1 node. If somebody spurns D'Bridge as a rip-off, then they will resist changing that sentiment regardless of its actual merits or change in facts.

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On 27 Mar 21 10:14:00, Marceline Jones said the following to T.J. Mcmillen:

The information is cited from the program documentation.

Can I politely ask what version documentation you are citing this
from?

D'Bridge EMAIL System Single-line v1.58 (5 April 1994).

05/04/1994 01:00p 10,856 DB-USA.TXT

When I obtained the code in 2005-ish, the first thing I did was make
it freeware. Word of mouth quickly spread and this echo exploded in traffic, everyone being excited to see it being worked on again. There have been many releases since then. The most recent was... yesterday.

By 1999 the BBS scene was dead. By 2005 we are looking at fossilised remains. By that time people already moved on to Argus. It would have been noble if open-sourced earlier, but instead it was done at a time when it was useless.

I've had Sysops offer to pay me for adding BinkD and TIC processing, offers to pay me for support which I've very politely declined. I've answered international phone calls for troubleshooting, replied to countless emails and Netmails... and never took a dime.

Were those offers made before or after you added those features ?

Did you decline because you did not want the obligation and/or accountability of supporting D'Bridge ?

Ward will tell you enthusiastically... "Best pizza I ever bought".

That is because he is a true believer.

I on the other hand take a dim view of crippleware.

D'Bridge was not free and Nick Andre was not the original author.

Everyone knows this... I'm sensing some hostility or a need to split hairs.
A famous Canuck band sang We're here for a good time, not a long time.

There is also the saying "Forgive but don't forget". People act as though D'Bridge is the best thing ever, and readily praise and come to its defense. But I remember a time when people were incentivised to snitch on SysOps that violated evaluation agreements. My view is snitches get stitches.

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I tend to think of Net2BBS as NetSerial Lite.

It's not, they are two compleatly different programs.

It would be better if the two were merged.

If you have 256 nodes set up in your BBS config, they should show up
as just "offline" or "Waiting For Call". Honestly in todays bbs world,
why would you want 256 nodes. If a caller hit "Whos Online", and has

Because it is endearing and cute.

to scroll through 12 pages of "waiting for calls", he/she is lible to disconnect and move on. I would love to have all my nodes busy with

People would scroll until the end out of curiosity.

callers, but the fact is, that's not gonna happen these days. I have
15 nodes available, 5 for each one of my systems, and It's a good day
if 2 nodes are busy at the same time by legit callers. Let's face it, most of todays callers are other sysops in the hobby. I've been in this hobby since the early 90's, and I've seen the day when I had ten
callers on at one time. I used to run a paid system, with 10 incomming phone lines, and if felt good making that money, but I always put it

It sounds like you have a marketing and value proposition problem. Maybe if you held cash prize competitions you could get 100 simultaneous online callers. You could fund it with OnlyFans.

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According to its terms of use, should you have paid for it ?

Well, I never did even though D'Bridge in those days could not
function without one.

Does that mean you got a free key or stop using the program ?

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Re: Re: Net2BBS
By: Marceline Jones to C.G. LEARN on Sun Apr 04 2021 09:18 am

It sounds like you have a marketing and value proposition problem. Maybe if you held cash prize competitions you could get 100 simultaneous online callers. You could fund it with OnlyFans.

Now *that* gave me a laugh. :-)
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Well, I never did even though D'Bridge in those days could not
function without one.

Does that mean you got a free key or stop using the program ?

There was a possibility where you could request a temporary free key, think it was valid for a month. I may have tried it, don't remember.

But I got free a paid-for key from the distributor.

It was either that or use Binkley.

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It sounds like you have a marketing and value proposition problem. Maybe
if you held cash prize competitions you could get 100 simultaneous
online callers. You could fund it with OnlyFans.

People find the interface of the bbs antiquated and a big turnoff even if you tried payola.


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Re: Re: Net2BBS
By: Marceline Jones to C.G. LEARN on Sun Apr 04 2021 09:18 am

Because it is endearing and cute.
It sounds like you have a marketing and value proposition problem. Maybe if you held cash prize competitions you could get 100 simultaneous online callers. You could fund it with OnlyFans.

You are one sick puppy. Get a life. I will not continue to continue this thread with you.

Appologies to the echo moderator in advance.

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On 04 Apr 21 09:05:00, Marceline Jones said the following to Nick Andre:

Were those offers made before or after you added those features ?

Did you decline because you did not want the obligation and/or accountabili of supporting D'Bridge ?

I declined because:

There is also the saying "Forgive but don't forget". People act as though D'Bridge is the best thing ever, and readily praise and come to its defense But I remember a time when people were incentivised to snitch on SysOps tha violated evaluation agreements. My view is snitches get stitches.

The world has changed just a tad bit since 1994. Its a silly message hobby nobody in the "real world" cares about anymore. What was once commercial software has been freeware for a long time now and still supported in 2021.

Nick

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