* Carbon copied to Jon Justvig 1:14/0

Hi Jon,

On 2021-12-09 10:05:21, I wrote to you:

Now on to fixing your nodelist segment:

Region,14,Mid_West_USA,IA_KS_MN_MO_NE_ND_SD,Jon_Justvig,-Unpublished-,300,C
M,XX,ITN,IFT,INA:vintagebbsing.com:24555,IBN ,1,Sunflower_Region_14_BBS,Wic
hita_KS,Jon_Justvig,-Unpublished-,300,CM,XX,ITN,IFT,INA:vintagebbsing.com:2
4555,IBN ,5,The_Twisted_Balloon,Anoka_MN,Jeff_Smith,-Unpublished-,300,CM,XX
,ITN,IFT,INA:bbs.twisted-balloon.org,IBN

,26,Sunflower_Region_14_BBS,Wichita_Kansas,Jon_Justvig,-Unpublished-,300,CM
,INA:vintagebbsing.com:24555:24555,CM,ITN,IBN ,27,Nightfall_Ordain,Wichita_
Kansas,Jon_Justvig,-Unpublished-,300,CM,INA:vintagebbsing.com:24556,CM,ITN,
IBN ,28,Curfew_BBS,Wichita_Kansas,Jon_Justvig,1-316-748-7891,300,CM,INA:net
298.net:25647,CM,ITN,INA

,30,Emancipation_BBS,Wichita_KS,Jon_Justvig,-Unpublished-,300,CM,INA:net298
.net:22941,ITN,IBN

,32,Deep_Thought_BBS,Topeka_Kansas,Nick_Burchett,-Unpublished-,300,CM,INA:b
bs.deepthoughtbbs.com ,33,ChristNet_HUB,Wichita_KS,Jon_Justvig,-Unpublished
-,300,CM,INA:vintagebbsing.com:24557,ITN,IBN

,35,Juice_BBS,Wichita_KS,Jon_Justvig,-Unpublished-,300,CM,INA:whq.kansit.co
m:24555,ITN,IBN ,9999,New_Fidonet_Node,Anywhere_KS,New_Fido_SysOp,-Unpublis
hed-,300

To:

Region,14,Mid_West_USA,IA_KS_MN_MO_NE_ND_SD,Jon_Justvig,-Unpublished-,300,C
M,XX,INA:vintagebbsing.com,ITN,IFT,IBN:24555 ,1,Sunflower_Region_14_BBS,Wic
hita_KS,Jon_Justvig,-Unpublished-,300,CM,XX,INA:vintagebbsing.com,ITN,IFT,I
BN:24555

,26,Sunflower_Region_14_BBS,Wichita_Kansas,Jon_Justvig,-Unpublished-,300,CM
,INA:vintagebbsing.com,ITN,IBN:24555 ,27,Nightfall_Ordain,Wichita_Kansas,Jo
n_Justvig,-Unpublished-,300,CM,INA:vintagebbsing.com,ITN,IBN:24556 ,28,Curf
ew_BBS,Wichita_Kansas,Jon_Justvig,1-316-748-7891,300,CM,INA:net298.net,ITN,
IBN:25647

,30,Emancipation_BBS,Wichita_KS,Jon_Justvig,-Unpublished-,300,CM,INA:net298
.net,ITN,IBN:22941

,32,Deep_Thought_BBS,Topeka_Kansas,Nick_Burchett,-Unpublished-,300,CM,INA:b
bs.deepthoughtbbs.com,IBN ,33,ChristNet_HUB,Wichita_KS,Jon_Justvig,-Unpubli
shed-,300,CM,INA:vintagebbsing.com,ITN,IBN:24557

,35,Juice_BBS,Wichita_KS,Jon_Justvig,-Unpublished-,300,CM,INA:whq.kansit.co
m,ITN,IBN:24555

Btw: I have not checked if all these systems are connectable with the supplied information (for instance mystic systems don't support ITN, out of
the box). Except 1:14/5, which has been offline as long as it was in the nodelist, hence the needed removal...

Still no changes/fixes in the R14 segment... :-(


Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

Testing SR14BBS for Fidonet ...

-Jon

===

Sincerely,
Jon Justvig
Sunflower Region 14 BBS
telnet://vintagebbsing.com
http://vintagebbsing.com
--- SBBSecho 3.11-Linux
* Origin: Sunflower Region 14 BBS -- telnet://region14.org (1:14/0)

Testing SR14BBS for Fidonet ...

-Jon

===

Sincerely,
Jon Justvig
Sunflower Region 14 BBS
telnet://vintagebbsing.com
http://vintagebbsing.com

This is what I see here..

@SEEN-BY: 19/36 80/1 103/705 114/705 123/120 124/5016 153/757 154/10 154 203/0 @SEEN-BY: 218/840 220/70 221/0 226/17 229/426 240/5832 250/5 8 267/800 280/464 @SEEN-BY: 280/5003 5555 292/854 8125 298/25 26 28 30 35 301/1 305/3 310/31 @SEEN-BY: 317/3 341/66 234 396/45 423/120 460/58 633/280 712/848 770/1 100 330 @SEEN-BY: 770/340 772/210 220 230 2452/250
@PATH: 298/26 25 317/3 770/1 280/464 153/757
@TZUTC: 0000
@MSGID: 446.fidonet_fidotest@1:14/0 263f5935
@PID: Synchronet 3.18c-Linux Dec 6 2021 GCC 10.3.0
@TID: SBBSecho 3.11-Linux r3.179 Dec 6 2021 GCC 10.3.0
@CHRS: ASCII 1
@NOTE: SlyEdit 1.73 (2020-03-31) (ICE style)

--- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-5
* Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (1:153/757)

Hi, Jon!

08 ﭢ 22 23:42, Jon Justvig -> All:

@TZUTC: 0000
@MSGID: 446.fidonet_fidotest@1:14/0 263f5935
@PID: Synchronet 3.18c-Linux Dec 6 2021 GCC 10.3.0
@TID: SBBSecho 3.11-Linux r3.179 Dec 6 2021 GCC 10.3.0
@CHRS: ASCII 1
@NOTE: SlyEdit 1.73 (2020-03-31) (ICE style)
Testing SR14BBS for Fidonet ...

-Jon

===

Sincerely,
Jon Justvig
Sunflower Region 14 BBS
telnet://vintagebbsing.com
http://vintagebbsing.com
--- SBBSecho 3.11-Linux
* Origin: Sunflower Region 14 BBS -- telnet://region14.org (1:14/0) SEEN-BY: 19/36 80/1 103/705 114/705 123/120 124/5016 153/757 154/10 154 203/0
SEEN-BY: 218/840 220/70 221/0 6 226/17 229/426 240/5832 250/5 8 267/800 SEEN-BY: 280/464 5003 5555 292/854 8125 298/25 26 28 30 35 301/1 305/3 310/31
SEEN-BY: 317/3 341/66 234 396/45 423/120 460/58 256 1124 5858 633/280 712/848
SEEN-BY: 770/1 100 330 340 772/210 220 230 2452/250 4600/140 5054/30 @PATH: 298/26 25 317/3 770/1 280/464 460/58

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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Hola Jon!

08 Jan 22 23:42, Jon Justvig dijo a All:

@TZUTC: 0000
@MSGID: 446.fidonet_fidotest@1:14/0 263f5935
@PID: Synchronet 3.18c-Linux Dec 6 2021 GCC 10.3.0
@TID: SBBSecho 3.11-Linux r3.179 Dec 6 2021 GCC 10.3.0
@CHRS: ASCII 1
@NOTE: SlyEdit 1.73 (2020-03-31) (ICE style)
Testing SR14BBS for Fidonet ...

-Jon

===

Sincerely,
Jon Justvig
Sunflower Region 14 BBS
telnet://vintagebbsing.com
http://vintagebbsing.com
--- SBBSecho 3.11-Linux
* Origin: Sunflower Region 14 BBS -- telnet://region14.org (1:14/0) SEEN-BY: 19/36 80/1 114/705 123/120 154/154 218/840 220/70 226/17 229/426 SEEN-BY: 250/5 8 267/800 280/464 298/25 26 28 30 35 305/3 317/3 341/66 633/280
SEEN-BY: 712/848 770/1 100 330 340 772/210 220 230
@PATH: 298/26 25 317/3 770/1

From Spain

Un saludo,
Angel Ripoll
aripoll @ zruspas.org

--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20180707 + HPT 1.9 + Binkd 1.1 en Debian
* Origin: Synchronet - bbs.zruspas.org - Zruspa's BBS - (2:341/66)

On 08 Jan 22 23:42:47, Jon Justvig said the following to All:

Testing SR14BBS for Fidonet ...

All these BBS's you're testing... are these all yours or are you posting on
the Sysop's behalf?

Nick

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
* Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)

Re: Re: Sunflower Region 14 BBS
By: Nick Andre to Jon Justvig on Sat Jan 08 2022 10:55 pm

On 08 Jan 22 23:42:47, Jon Justvig said the following to All:

Testing SR14BBS for Fidonet ...

All these BBS's you're testing... are these all yours or are you posting on the Sysop's behalf?

Sunflower Region 14 BBS, Nightfall Ordain, Raiders Inc BBS, Curfew BBS, Emancipation BBS, Juice BBS, KANSIT WHQ BBS, ChristNet and Indian Trail BBS are mine, the rest I've either been working on or they belong to someone else and possibly if anyone is interested in me hosting one of my BBSes arrangements might be able to be made.

-Jon
--- SBBSecho 3.14-Linux
* Origin: (1:298/35)

* Originally in fidotest
* Crossposted in netmail

Hi Jon.

08 Jan 22 23:42:46, you wrote to All:

Testing SR14BBS for Fidonet ...

Any plans to fix the nodelist?

08:39 [3873] called 1:14/0@fidonet, but remote has no such AKA

'Tommi

---
* Origin: Point One (2:221/1.1)

Hi Nick.

08 Jan 22 22:55:50, you wrote to Jon Justvig:

On 08 Jan 22 23:42:47, Jon Justvig said the following to All:

Testing SR14BBS for Fidonet ...

All these BBS's you're testing... are these all yours or are you posting on
the Sysop's behalf?

grep -i justvig NODELIST.009

Region,14,Mid_West_USA,IA_KS_MN_MO_NE_ND_SD,Jon_Justvig,-Unpublished-,300,CM,XX,ITN,IFT,INA:vintagebbsing.com :24555,IBN
,1,Sunflower_Region_14_BBS,Wichita_KS,Jon_Justvig,-Unpublished-,300,CM,XX,ITN,IFT,INA:vintagebbsing.com:24555 ,IBN
Host,282,MN_MO_KS,MN_MO_KS,Jon_Justvig,-Unpublished-,300,CM,INA:crystalp.duckdns.org,ITN,IFT,IBN,IFC
Host,298,Raiders_Inc_BBS,Wichita_Kansas,Jon_Justvig,-Unpublished-,300,CM,INA:vintagebbsing.com,CM,ITN,IBN
,25,Raiders_Inc_BBS,Wichita_Kansas,Jon_Justvig,-Unpublished-,300,CM,INA:vintagebbsing.com,CM,ITN,IBN
,26,Sunflower_Region_14_BBS,Wichita_Kansas,Jon_Justvig,-Unpublished-,300,CM,INA:vintagebbsing.com:24555:24555 ,CM,ITN,IBN
,27,Nightfall_Ordain,Wichita_Kansas,Jon_Justvig,-Unpublished-,300,CM,INA:vintagebbsing.com:24556,CM,ITN,IBN
,28,Curfew_BBS,Wichita_Kansas,Jon_Justvig,1-316-748-7891,300,CM,INA:net298.net:25647,CM,ITN,INA
,30,Emancipation_BBS,Wichita_KS,Jon_Justvig,-Unpublished-,300,CM,INA:net298.net:22941,ITN,IBN
,33,ChristNet_HUB,Wichita_KS,Jon_Justvig,-Unpublished-,300,CM,INA:vintagebbsing.com:24557,ITN,IBN
,34,KANSIT_BBS,Wichita_Kansas,Jon_Justvig,-Unpublished-,300,CM,INA:whq.kansit.com,ITN,IBN
,35,Juice_BBS,Wichita_KS,Jon_Justvig,-Unpublished-,300,CM,INA:whq.kansit.com:24555,ITN,IBN

'Tommi

---
* Origin: Point One (2:221/1.1)

Hi Jon.

08 Jan 22 23:42:46, you wrote to All:

Testing SR14BBS for Fidonet ...

Any plans to fix the nodelist?

Got that fixed up tonight. :)

-Jon

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Linux/64)
* Origin: ChristNet BBS -- telnet://vintagebbsing.com:2333 (1:298/33)

On 09 Jan 22 08:50:54, Tommi Koivula said the following to Nick Andre:

All these BBS's you're testing... are these all yours or are you posti

on

the Sysop's behalf?

grep -i justvig NODELIST.009

Thank you Captain Obvious. The name field means nothing. It does not automatically make him the Sysop of those boards. Thats why I asked him.

Nick

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
* Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)

Hi Nick.

09 Jan 22 02:23:06, you wrote to me:

On 09 Jan 22 08:50:54, Tommi Koivula said the following to Nick
Andre:

All these BBS's you're testing... are these all yours or are

you posti on

the Sysop's behalf?

grep -i justvig NODELIST.009

Thank you Captain Obvious.

You're welcome.

The name field means nothing.

No shit?

'Tommi

---
* Origin: - rbb.fidonet.fi - Finland - (2:221/1)

Hi Jon.

09 Jan 22 07:14:32, you wrote to me:

Hi Jon.

08 Jan 22 23:42:46, you wrote to All:

Testing SR14BBS for Fidonet ...

Any plans to fix the nodelist?

Got that fixed up tonight. :)

Perfect!

'Tommi

---
* Origin: - rbb.fidonet.fi - Finland - (2:221/1)

On 09 Jan 22 09:38:44, Tommi Koivula said the following to Nick Andre:

The name field means nothing.

No shit?

Ya. So why write me the grep shit?

Nick

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
* Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)

On 09.01.2022 4:58, Nick Andre wrote:

The name field means nothing.

No shit?

Ya. So why write me the grep shit?

Not to you. To the name that means nothing.

'Tommi

---
* Origin: rbb.fidonet.fi - Lake Ylo - Finland (2:221/1.0)

09 Jan 22 02:58, Nick Andre wrote to Tommi Koivula:

@MSGID: 1:229/426 DD31BC36
@REPLY: 2:221/1 61da9173
On 09 Jan 22 09:38:44, Tommi Koivula said the following to Nick Andre:

The name field means nothing.

No shit?

Ya. So why write me the grep shit?

Nick

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
* Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
SEEN-BY: 221/1

I noticed this message here without PATH and quite short SEENBY line.

Here is the packet received from 1:134/101.

=== Cut ===
PktInfo/os2-wc 1.9 2022-01-05

Packet header =========================================================================== Filename : 61da9657.pkt
OrigAddr : 1:134/101.0
DestAddr : 2:221/1.0
AuxNet : 134
CapWord : 0x0001
DateCreation : Sun 2022-01-09 01:01:27
ProdCode : 12ff
ProdVersion : 3.14

Message header -+------------------------------------------------------------------------- From : "Nick Andre"
To : "Tommi Koivula"
Subject : "Re: Sunflower Region 14 BBS"
DateTime : "09 Jan 22 02:58:51"
Attr : 0x0000
OrigAddr : 229/426
DestAddr : 221/1

Message text -+------------------------------------------------------------------------- AREA:FIDOTEST
MSGID: 1:229/426 DD31BC36
REPLY: 2:221/1 61da9173
On 09 Jan 22 09:38:44, Tommi Koivula said the following to Nick Andre:

The name field means nothing.

No shit?

Ya. So why write me the grep shit?

Nick

-+- Renegade vY2Ka2
+ Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
SEEN+BY: 221/1

=== Cut ===

Kostie, please check.

'Tommi

---
* Origin: 2a01:4f9:c011:1ec5:f1d0:2:221:1 (2:221/1)

Re: Sunflower Region 14 BBS
By: Tommi Koivula to Kostie Muirhead on Sun Jan 09 2022 01:50 pm

I noticed this message here without PATH and quite short SEENBY line.
Here is the packet received from 1:134/101.
Kostie, please check.

Hey Tommi,
I was fairly certain I was configured to leave seen-by intact, and as far as I can tell at a gander should still be unless something changed with the latest sbbs updates. Doesn't appear so in the configs though. I do have direct connection to both you and Nick though, so I would be the only seen-by if a message took that path... but it should still leave the path...
===
Underminer - The Undermine BBS
--- SBBSecho 3.14-Linux
* Origin: The Undermine - bbs.undermine.ca (1:134/101)

Re: Sunflower Region 14 BBS
By: Kostie Muirhead to Tommi Koivula on Mon Jan 10 2022 05:10 pm

the latest sbbs updates. Doesn't appear so in the configs though. I do have direct connection to both you and Nick though, so I would be the only

Correction, for fidotest I have the following uplinks:

fidotest FIDOTEST 1:153/7715 2:221/1

So Nick's Message would have had to come to me from Tommi or Bandmaster first I believe. From there it should have gone to Tommi. I will see if I can track that down more definitively.
===
Underminer - The Undermine BBS
--- SBBSecho 3.14-Linux
* Origin: The Undermine - bbs.undermine.ca (1:134/101)

On 10 Jan 22 17:27:45, Kostie Muirhead said the following to Tommi Koivula:

So Nick's Message would have had to come to me from Tommi or Bandmaster fir I believe. From there it should have gone to Tommi. I will see if I can tra that down more definitively.

The Path-kludge of the messages in question has you, then Dallas. He has a connection here.

Nick

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
* Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)

Re: Sunflower Region 14 BBS
By: Tommi Koivula to Kostie Muirhead on Sun Jan 09 2022 01:50 pm

I noticed this message here without PATH and quite short SEENBY line.
Here is the packet received from 1:134/101.
Kostie, please check.

Hey Tommi,
I was fairly certain I was configured to leave seen-by intact, and as far as I can tell at a gander should still be unless something changed with the latest sbbs updates. Doesn't appear so in the configs though. I do have direct connection to both you and Nick though, so I would be the only
seen-by if a message took that path... but it should still leave the path...

SBBS (and a lot of software) strips seen bys when linked out of zone. That's the way fidonet software is designed to work.

There is an option in sbbsecho.ini that will stop that from happening. I have this in my sbbsecho.ini so traffic heading to other zones don't loose the seen bys..

ZoneBlindThreshold = 4

With that set mail going to links in zones 1-4 won't have the seen bys stripped.

--- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-5
* Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (1:153/757)

Re: Sunflower Region 14 BBS
By: Alan Ianson to Kostie Muirhead on Mon Jan 10 2022 05:26 pm

SBBS (and a lot of software) strips seen bys when linked out of zone. That's the way fidonet software is designed to work.

Quite correct, but there was a big discussion about that a while back. Given that I'm pretty sure there's no net number duplication these days it's pretty safe. I had set zone blind for fidonet zones. Finally found it in echocfg again though and it seems to have been toggled off again. I wouldn't think that the most recent update would do anything to sbbsecho.ini though.

Thanks for the suggestion.
===
Underminer - The Undermine BBS
--- SBBSecho 3.14-Linux
* Origin: The Undermine - bbs.undermine.ca (1:134/101)

On 11.1.2022 2.27, Kostie Muirhead wrote:

Re: Sunflower Region 14 BBS
By: Kostie Muirhead to Tommi Koivula on Mon Jan 10 2022 05:10 pm

KM> the latest sbbs updates. Doesn't appear so in the configs though. I do
KM> have direct connection to both you and Nick though, so I would be the only

Correction, for fidotest I have the following uplinks:

fidotest FIDOTEST 1:153/7715 2:221/1

So Nick's Message would have had to come to me from Tommi or
Bandmaster first I believe. From there it should have gone to Tommi.
I will see if I can track that down more definitively.

The strange thing was that there was no PATH at all. That should not happen even the SEENBY's are stripped or not.

'Tommi

--- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.4.1
* Origin: nntp://rbb.fidonet.fi - Lake Ylo - Finland (2:221/360.0)

Hello Kostie!

Monday January 10 2022 22:06, you wrote to Alan Ianson:

Re: Sunflower Region 14 BBS
By: Alan Ianson to Kostie Muirhead on Mon Jan 10 2022 05:26 pm

SBBS (and a lot of software) strips seen bys when linked out of
zone. That's the way fidonet software is designed to work.

Quite correct, but there was a big discussion about that a while back.
Given that I'm pretty sure there's no net number duplication these
days it's pretty safe. I had set zone blind for fidonet zones. Finally
found it in echocfg again though and it seems to have been toggled off again. I wouldn't think that the most recent update would do anything
to sbbsecho.ini though.

That could be classed as an assumption too far as things change over time as networks can be added in for zones 1 & 2.

In any event some of us looking at the seenbys and paths for that matter do not
want to 'Assume' what zones are used when doing a fast glance at these fields.

Vincent
--- Mageia Linux v8 X64/Mbse v1.0.7.24/GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20180707
* Origin: Air Applewood, The Linux Gateway to the UK & Eire (2:250/1)

* Carbon copied to Terry Barlow 1:15/1

Hi Vincent,

On 2022-01-11 15:59:03, you wrote to Kostie Muirhead:

SBBS (and a lot of software) strips seen bys when linked out of
zone. That's the way fidonet software is designed to work.

Quite correct, but there was a big discussion about that a while back.
Given that I'm pretty sure there's no net number duplication these
days it's pretty safe.

Unfortunately since a couple of years there is 1 duplicate net between Zones 1 & 2, Net 310. Luckily they don't have overlapping nodenumbers, so there are no issues with seen-by's. And besides net 310 in Zone 1 can be abolished, because the only node in this net no longer exists:

+ 12 Jan 10:31:18 [6886] call to 1:310/2@fidonet
+ 12 Jan 10:31:18 [6886] getaddrinfo failed: Name or service not known (-2)

I had set zone blind for fidonet zones. Finally found it in echocfg
again though and it seems to have been toggled off again. I wouldn't
think that the most recent update would do anything to sbbsecho.ini
though.

That could be classed as an assumption too far as things change over time as networks can be added in for zones 1 & 2.

In a declining Fidonet as it is, there really shouldn't be a need to create new nets. And if the RC feels there is a need, it is his resposibility to check he doesn't use an existing net number in another zone. There really isn't a need to choose an existing number, because there are plenty of unused numbers left.

And if he by accident, does choose an existing number in another net, I think the ZC should intervene...


Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

Wilfred,

And if he by accident, does choose an existing number in another net, I think the ZC should intervene...

Yes, but ... a ZC is also just only human, so unless he/she reads the nodelist as if it were the Saturday newspaper, the ZC will never know. Netmail may become totally routed wrong for concerned nodes but then again, unless that is made obvious it will not reveal the true cause.

ZCs have a kind of understanding we stay away from duplicate net-numbers. Technically with the current set of ZCs that works, in the past it wasn't always that evident.

As for the 310-overlap ... well, I think the duplication happened honestly without an agenda and we can live with it.

\%/@rd

--- DB4 - Jan 09 2022
* Origin: Hou het veilig, hou vol. Het komt allemaal weer goed (2:292/854)

Hi Ward,

On 2022-01-12 11:53:15, you wrote to me:

And if he by accident, does choose an existing number in another net,
I think the ZC should intervene...

Yes, but ... a ZC is also just only human, so unless he/she reads the nodelist as if it were the Saturday newspaper, the ZC will never know. Netmail may become totally routed wrong for concerned nodes but then again,
unless that is made obvious it will not reveal the true cause.

Probably somebody in fidonet will notice sooner or later, and can make the RC and ZC aware of it...

ZCs have a kind of understanding we stay away from duplicate
net-numbers. Technically with the current set of ZCs that works, in
the past it wasn't always that evident.

Good! ;)

As for the 310-overlap ... well, I think the duplication happened
honestly without an agenda and we can live with it.

I think so too. But it can be corrected now, because the 1:310 net is no longer needed...

Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

Hello Ward,

On Wednesday January 12 2022 11:53, you wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

As for the 310-overlap ... well, I think the duplication happened
honestly without an agenda and we can live with it.

I say: Hanlon's razor....


Cheers, Michiel

--- GoldED+/W32-MSVC 1.1.5-b20170303
* Origin: ZC1 certified techno-dick (2:280/5555)

Hi Michiel,

On 2022-01-12 12:11:33, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

As for the 310-overlap ... well, I think the duplication happened
honestly without an agenda and we can live with it.

MvdV> I say: Hanlon's razor....

I think there is a high probability of that being true in this case:

# grep Barlow NODELIST.007 | wc -l
23


Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

On 12.1.2022 11.44, Wilfred van Velzen wrote:

And if he by accident, does choose an existing number in another net,
I think the ZC should intervene...

I think the NPD should intervene... :D
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Hi Tommi,

On 2022-01-12 15:22:08, you wrote to me:

And if he by accident, does choose an existing number in another net,
I think the ZC should intervene...

I think the NPD should intervene... :D

... By informing the ZC... ;)

Bye, Wilfred.

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On 12 Jan 22 14:25:35, Wilfred Van Velzen said the following to Tommi Koivula:

I think the NPD should intervene... :D

... By informing the ZC... ;)

The NPD can suck the ZC's cock...

Nick

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I think the NPD should intervene... :D

... By informing the ZC... ;)

The NPD can suck the ZC's cock...

What if the ZC is a female?

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On 12 Jan 22 16:43:59, Ward Dossche said the following to Nick Andre:

The NPD can suck the ZC's cock...

What if the ZC is a female?

A clit is a tiny cock?

Nick

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The NPD can suck the ZC's cock...

What if the ZC is a female?

A clit is a tiny cock?

You know, removing the pubic hair from your teeth afterwards is so inconveneint...

\%/@rd

--- DB4 - Jan 09 2022
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