Hi Chad,

On 2023-03-01 15:27:37, you wrote to ALL:

@TID: ctoss/1.0.10
MSGID: 1:19/40 0D8E590B
PID: CyberBBS v1.0.10
Testing UTC

There is no TZUTC flag, and the MSGID and PID "kludges" lack a starting ^A character...

-Nugax (cbbs)

--- CyberBBS v1.0.10 2023/03/01 [Debian Linux/x64/x86_64]
* Origin: CyberBBS WHQ BBS | http://www.cyberbbs.com (1:19/40)
SEEN-BY: 1/19 16/0 19/37 40 103/705 123/130 124/5016 142/104 799 153/757 SEEN-BY: 154/10 203/0 221/0 229/426 240/1120 5411 5824 5832 5853 5890 SEEN-BY: 280/464 5003 5555 292/854 8125 301/1 310/31 320/119 219 319 SEEN-BY: 320/2119 322/0 325/304 341/66 234 342/19 396/45 423/120 460/58 SEEN-BY: 633/280 712/848 770/1
@PATH: 19/40 320/219 240/5832 280/464

Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.2.0.0
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

MSGID: 1:19/40 18457623
PID: CyberBBS v1.0.10
Wilfred,
You are correct. I looked in the code, and I assume I removed the adding chr(1) to the kludges. Easy fix, but I am probably rewriting the way CyberbBS
adds it kludges to the messages.

I was trying to find out what the older packages do; mystic and sbbs. Do
they add them at message composition or from the tosser. I assume its
added some at composition and then some at toss (TID). The docs on
all this subject are so old, its hard to determine that now because
there are few people left that really know this, and fewer who want to
help people understand.

Thanks for continuing to help point this out! I appreciate it!

-Nugax (cbbs)


--- CyberBBS v1.0.10 2023/03/02 [Debian Linux/x64/x86_64]
* Origin: CyberBBS WHQ BBS | http://www.cyberbbs.com (1:19/40)

Hi Chad,

On 2023-03-02 11:51:44, you wrote to me:

You are correct. I looked in the code, and I assume I removed the
adding chr(1) to the kludges. Easy fix, but I am probably rewriting
the way CyberbBS adds it kludges to the messages.

I was trying to find out what the older packages do; mystic and sbbs.

Those are BBS packages. There are also the dedicated tossers still in development...

Do they add them at message composition or from the tosser. I assume
its added some at composition and then some at toss (TID).

The MSGID and PID is added at composition. The TID is added by the scanner (tosser).

The docs on all this subject are so old, its hard to determine that
now because there are few people left that really know this,

There are more then a few developers (including myself) left.


Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.2.0.0
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On 02 Mar 23 11:51:44, Chad Adams said the following to Wilfred Van Velzen:

I was trying to find out what the older packages do; mystic and sbbs. Do they add them at message composition or from the tosser. I assume its
added some at composition and then some at toss (TID). The docs on
all this subject are so old, its hard to determine that now because
there are few people left that really know this, and fewer who want to help people understand.

As a Fido developer, I'm suggesting that you please do not waste your time or or talent in trying to implement any MSGID/REPLY/TID nonsense in your BBS.

There is absolutely nothing technically wrong with leaving those three out, in that your message WILL in fact be delivered, and forwarded to MANY systems. I assure you, no "normal" Sysop cares at all about them nor will you receive
any complaints. Instead, the only complaints about kludges you will receive will come from Euro trash pacifist effeminate keyboard-warriors with no life, no job, no spouse... and no penis.

Their petulant asinine whinings have on more than one occasion driven away returning Sysops with their favourite legacy PC-Board, Searchlight, TBBS and others because of those silly missing kludges. The Sysop who just wants a bit of nostalgia is instead faced with weirdos in rainbow suspenders.

Nick

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
* Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)

MSGID: 1:19/40 0D8D7741
PID: CyberBBS v1.0.10
On 02 Mar 23 13:40:23, Nick Andre wrote:

On 02 Mar 23 11:51:44 Chad Adams said the following to Wilfred Van Velzen:

I was trying to find out what the older packages do; mystic and sbbs. Do they add them at message composition or from the tosser. I assume its added some at composition and then some at toss (TID). The docs on
all this subject are so old its hard to determine that now because
there are few people left that really know this and fewer who want to help people understand.

As a Fido developer Im suggesting that you please do not waste your time or or talent in trying to implement any MSGID/REPLY/TID nonsense in your BBS.

There is absolutely nothing technically wrong with leaving those three out in
that your message WILL in fact be delivered and forwarded to MANY systems. I assure you no normal Sysop cares at all about them nor will you receive
any complaints. Instead the only complaints about kludges you will receive will come from Euro trash pacifist effeminate keyboard-warriors with no life no job no spouse... and no penis.

Their petulant asinine whinings have on more than one occasion driven away returning Sysops with their favourite legacy PC-Board Searchlight TBBS and others because of those silly missing kludges. The Sysop who just wants a bit
of nostalgia is instead faced with weirdos in rainbow suspenders.

Nick

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
* Origin: Joey do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)

I agree with you Nick. I have it mostly working correctly anyhow, although it took quite some time to figure out how (and a bit of questioning as to
why is is even needed anymore). I just assumed everyone wanted and did follow the ftsc which was written 25+ years ago. I am just having it put
MSGID, REPLY, TZUTC as those I can maybe, kind of see the use. Either way,
its mostly working now, so just going to leave as is.

Thanks for input.

-Nugax (cbbs)


--- CyberBBS v1.0.10 2023/03/02 [Debian Linux/x64/x86_64]
* Origin: CyberBBS WHQ BBS | http://www.cyberbbs.com (1:19/40)

MSGID: 1:19/40 20D0CD85
PID: CyberBBS v1.0.10
Some folks do get quite testy sometimes when you leave out a kludge though. -Nugax (cbbs)


--- CyberBBS v1.0.10 2023/03/02 [Debian Linux/x64/x86_64]
* Origin: CyberBBS WHQ BBS | http://www.cyberbbs.com (1:19/40)

On 02 Mar 23 13:50:32, Chad Adams said the following to Nick Andre:

Some folks do get quite testy sometimes when you leave out a kludge though.

Such folks are actually very rare... but I've accurately described them as unfortunately thats who the nostalgic Sysop first encounters in this echo.

You will never find them or their kludge-line nonsense in any of the Othernets like FSX, Micronet etc.

Actually I would love to see more Sysops firing up the old stuff like
PC-Board, Searchlight, Robo. Wildcrap. Amiga/Apple boards... TBBS/Flame with its all-uppercase fields and no kludge lines. RBBS... Ohh, the humanity.

Nick

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
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Nick Andre wrote to Chad Adams <=-

Actually I would love to see more Sysops firing up the old stuff like PC-Board, Searchlight, Robo. Wildcrap. Amiga/Apple boards... TBBS/Flame with its all-uppercase fields and no kludge lines. RBBS... Ohh, the humanity.

I loved the lightbar interface on Searchlight, my first taste of running
a BBS was co-sysoping Just Say Yes, a modded searchlight board in San Francisco. Would love to get it running as a test node.



... Curious ideas wait for stranger times
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On 03 Mar 23 06:35:00, Kurt Weiske said the following to Nick Andre:

I loved the lightbar interface on Searchlight, my first taste of running
a BBS was co-sysoping Just Say Yes, a modded searchlight board in San Francisco. Would love to get it running as a test node.

Searchlight was ahead of its time. The Spinnaker add-on was ahead of its time.

Nick

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
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Re: Re: Re: Testing sending
By: Nick Andre to Chad Adams on Thu Mar 02 2023 01:40 pm

any complaints. Instead, the only complaints about kludges you will receive will come from Euro trash pacifist effeminate keyboard-warriors with no life, no job, no spouse... and no penis.

Their petulant asinine whinings have on more than one occasion driven away returning Sysops with their favourite legacy PC-Board, Searchlight, TBBS and others because of those silly missing kludges. The Sysop who just wants a bit of nostalgia is instead faced with weirdos in rainbow suspenders.

Nick

I'm TOTALLY impressed with your description. It is written so well, I may have to steal it. haha

Cheers,
Dennis
--- SBBSecho 3.20-Linux
* Origin: Vertrauen - [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net (1:103/705)

On 23 Mar 23 15:40:18, Dennis Scott wrote:

Re: Re: Re: Testing sending
By: Nick Andre to Chad Adams on Thu Mar 02 2023 01:40 pm

any complaints. Instead the only complaints about kludges you will receive
will come from Euro trash pacifist effeminate keyboard-warriors with no life no job no spouse... and no penis.

Their petulant asinine whinings have on more than one occasion driven away
returning Sysops with their favourite legacy PC-Board Searchlight TBBS and
others because of those silly missing kludges. The Sysop who just wants a bit of nostalgia is instead faced with weirdos in rainbow suspenders.

Nick

Im TOTALLY impressed with your description. It is written so well I may have to steal it. haha

Cheers
Dennis
--- SBBSecho 3.20-Linux
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i rewwored it all - hoppefully it works now!
-Nugax (cbbs)


--- CyberBBS v1.0.11 2023/03/12 [Debian Linux/x64]
* Origin: CyberBBS WHQ BBS | http://www.cyberbbs.co (1:19/40)

Hi Chad,

On 2023-03-27 11:55:28, you wrote to Dennis Scott:

i rewwored it all - hoppefully it works now!
-Nugax (cbbs)

1:19/40 whq.CyberBBS.com - Error: Cannot getaddrinfo - Name or service not known

Your nodelist entry is still broken.

--- CyberBBS v1.0.11 2023/03/12 [Debian Linux/x64]
* Origin: CyberBBS WHQ BBS | http://www.cyberbbs.co (1:19/40)

This url works...


Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.2.0.0
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

Hi Michael,

On 2023-03-29 06:30:10, you wrote to me:

Your message contains no kludges at all. No MSGID, no REPLY and no TZUTC kludges...

Hi Wilfred

Uli Schroeter gaves me the same notice. Found the fault. Hope this one is past!

The nodelist hasn't been updated yet. Maybe tomorrow?

On 27.03.2023 21:43, Wilfred Van Velzen wrote to Chad Adams:

@TID: FMail-lnx64 2.2.0.0
@RFC-X-No-Archive: Yes
@TZUTC: 0200
@CHRS: UTF-8 2
@PID: GED+LNX 1.1.5-b20161221
@MSGID: 2:280/464 6421f2bd
@REPLY: 1:19/40 1F05D377
Hi Chad,

On 2023-03-27 11:55:28, you wrote to Dennis Scott:

i rewwored it all - hoppefully it works now!
-Nugax (cbbs)

1:19/40 whq.CyberBBS.com - Error: Cannot getaddrinfo - Name

or -> service not known -> -> Your nodelist entry is still broken. -> ->

--- CyberBBS v1.0.11 2023/03/12 [Debian Linux/x64] -> CA> * Origin:

CyberBBS WHQ BBS | http://www.cyberbbs.co (1:19/40) -> -> This url works...

The ' -> ' quoting is non standard, so other editors have a difficult time to requote them propperly...

--- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v7.0
* Origin: Transfered from GLOBAL CHAOS BBS (2:240/8050)
SEEN-BY: 30/0 103/705 124/5016 153/757 154/10 203/0 221/0 1 240/1120 SEEN-BY: 240/1634 5832 8002 8005 8050 280/464 5003 5555 291/111 292/854 SEEN-BY: 292/8125 301/1 310/31 313/41 335/364 341/66 234 371/0 382/147 SEEN-BY: 396/45 423/120 460/58 530/204 633/280 712/848 770/1 3634/12 @PATH: 240/8050 1120 280/464

Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.2.0.0
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