Hello Alan!

*** Thursday 04.02.21 at 02:28, Alan Ianson wrote to All:

A quick question about Winpoints mailer, does it support binkp?

Yes, absolutely! :-)

Regards,
Martin

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Re: Winpoint mailer
By: Martin Foster to Alan Ianson on Thu Feb 04 2021 11:38 am

A quick question about Winpoints mailer, does it support binkp?

Yes, absolutely! :-)

Good, just checking. I am setting up a new point and we are trying to get a secure connection between my binkd and his (I think) Winpoint.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Alan wrote (2021-02-04):

A quick question about Winpoints mailer, does it support binkp?

Yes, absolutely! :-)

Good, just checking. I am setting up a new point and we are trying to get a secure connection between my binkd and his (I think) Winpoint.

define 'secure' ;)

"grep CRYPT" doesn't return a match on the Winpoint files.

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Re: Winpoint mailer
By: Oli to Alan Ianson on Fri Feb 05 2021 08:25 am

Good, just checking. I am setting up a new point and we are trying
to get a secure connection between my binkd and his (I think)
Winpoint.

define 'secure' ;)

"grep CRYPT" doesn't return a match on the Winpoint files.

I'm not sure that CRYPT is all that secure either, but I guess it is better than nothing. If we can authenticate with a password, hopefully a CRAM-MD5 handshake that will do.

Winpoint is being updated I think, so there is hope that winpoints shortcomings (if any) can be improved upon.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Alan wrote (2021-02-05):

define 'secure' ;)

"grep CRYPT" doesn't return a match on the Winpoint files.

I'm not sure that CRYPT is all that secure either, but I guess it is better than nothing.

It obfuscates most of the data stream. I doubt that any agency is automatically decrypting binkp data that's on the wire. Biggest disadvantage with CRYPT is that it requires a shared password.

If we can authenticate with a password, hopefully a
CRAM-MD5 handshake that will do.

"grep CRAM-MD5" returns a match on WpointII.exe.

Winpoint is being updated I think, so there is hope that winpoints shortcomings (if any) can be improved upon.

Where can I find the sources?

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Hello Alan!

*** Friday 05.02.21 at 00:05, Alan Ianson wrote to Oli:

[snip]

Winpoint is being updated I think, so there is hope that winpoints shortcomings (if any) can be improved upon.

It has lots of issues that need fixing :((

Having said that though, it's quite usable :)

Regards,
Martin

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Hello Oli!

*** Friday 05.02.21 at 10:13, Oli wrote to Alan Ianson:

[snip]

Winpoint is being updated I think, so there is hope that winpoints
shortcomings (if any) can be improved upon.

Where can I find the sources?

You can't, it's closed source.

Regards,
Martin

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Re: Winpoint mailer
By: Oli to Alan Ianson on Fri Feb 05 2021 10:13 am

It obfuscates most of the data stream. I doubt that any agency is automatically decrypting binkp data that's on the wire. Biggest disadvantage with CRYPT is that it requires a shared password.

True, in the fidoverse we are just exchanging mail so I don't think any agency will find that rewarding.

Winpoint is being updated I think, so there is hope that winpoints
shortcomings (if any) can be improved upon.

Where can I find the sources?

I don't know if the source is or will be available. It never was in the past. Dale Barnes is the one who is doing the update and I don't know if it will be open or closed source.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Re: Winpoint mailer
By: Martin Foster to Alan Ianson on Fri Feb 05 2021 09:49 am

It has lots of issues that need fixing :((

It is a worthwhile project.

Having said that though, it's quite usable :)

Yep, there are no blocker type bugs.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Hello Alan!

*** Thursday 04.02.21 at 2:28:56, Alan Ianson wrote to All:

A quick question about Winpoints mailer, does it support binkp?

Test crash netmail fired off to your system at 11:03(UTC) today, so that you can see for yourself :)

Regards,
Martin

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Hello Alan!

*** Friday 05.02.21 at 2:30:14, Alan Ianson wrote to Oli:

[snip]

Where can I find the sources?

I don't know if the source is or will be available. It never was in the past. Dale Barnes is the one who is doing the update and I don't know if it will be open or closed source.

WinPoint was originally shareware and I still have my licence key for it. However, at some point in time, the original author decided to release it as freeware so who knows what the future holds.

Regards,
Martin

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Hello Alan!

*** Friday 05.02.21 at 2:33:18, Alan Ianson wrote to Martin Foster:

It has lots of issues that need fixing :((

It is a worthwhile project.

Yes, indeed it is.

Even though I don't use it as my Point software of choice, I've always had a bit of a "soft spot" for it from the very first day I came across it.

Regards,
Martin

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Re: Winpoint mailer
By: Martin Foster to Alan Ianson on Fri Feb 05 2021 11:20 am

Test crash netmail fired off to your system at 11:03(UTC) today, so that you can see for yourself :)

Got it and replied, thanks.

There was no password so no talk about authentication or methods in the log but it's good to know binkd and winpoint do talk to each other.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Re: Winpoint mailer
By: Martin Foster to Alan Ianson on Fri Feb 05 2021 11:32 am

WinPoint was originally shareware and I still have my licence key for it. However, at some point in time, the original author decided to release it as freeware so who knows what the future holds.

I did use it also at one time although I never registered it. It was quite nice to look at and easy to use as I remember, although that was years ago and maybe I don't remember.. :)

I prefer a text mode setup like openxp but that was a bit harder to setup.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Re: Winpoint mailer
By: Martin Foster to Alan Ianson on Fri Feb 05 2021 11:37 am

Even though I don't use it as my Point software of choice, I've always had a bit of a "soft spot" for it from the very first day I came across it.

Yep, I am hoping for success, however Dale decides to release it.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Hello Alan!

*** Friday 05.02.21 at 4:15:37, Alan Ianson wrote to Martin Foster:

Test crash netmail fired off to your system at 11:03(UTC) today, so that
you can see for yourself :)

Got it and replied, thanks.

Got your reply and replied back, thanks :))

Regards,
Martin

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Hello Alan!

*** Friday 05.02.21 at 4:22:05, Alan Ianson wrote to Martin Foster:

Even though I don't use it as my Point software of choice, I've always
had a bit of a "soft spot" for it from the very first day I came across
it.

Yep, I am hoping for success, however Dale decides to release it.

I'm not at all sure if Dale has actually taken over WinPoint development, last I heard was that he was working *with* Tim(the original author).

Regards,
Martin

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Re: Winpoint mailer
By: Martin Foster to Alan Ianson on Sat Feb 06 2021 11:44 am

Yep, I am hoping for success, however Dale decides to release it.

I'm not at all sure if Dale has actually taken over WinPoint development, last I heard was that he was working *with* Tim(the original author).

Ah, even better!

Ttyl :-),
Al

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A quick question about Winpoints mailer, does it support
binkp?

Ttyl :-),
Al

Yes it supports dialup and BinkP. Just Remember, it is a point system, not a full mailer like DBridge, FrontDoor, InterMail etc. Just a windows 32 bit (at this time) GUI point system.


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Re: Winpoint mailer
By: Dale Barnes to Alan Ianson on Sun Feb 07 2021 09:37 am

Hello Dale,

Yes it supports dialup and BinkP. Just Remember, it is a point system, not a full mailer like DBridge, FrontDoor, InterMail etc. Just a windows 32 bit (at this time) GUI point system.

Yep that's great. I have a point setup here that is trying to connect with Winpoint. He is getting it setup in his spare time and we will get that done. I think the German interface might be causing him trouble.

A fido node might be able to get setup knowing what needs to be entered in there but it may not be easy for a user to get that setup.

I have recently setup an FDN for point software. I have only one area now for OpenXP but I would be happy to add an area for Winpoint. If you and your fellow developers would like me to do that I would go ahead and do that.

Let me know. :)

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Hello Alan Ianson!

** On Sunday 14.02.21 - 19:27, Alan Ianson wrote to Dale Barnes:

..I have a point setup here that is trying to connect with
Winpoint. He is getting it setup in his spare time and we
will get that done. I think the German interface might be
causing him trouble.

A fido node might be able to get setup knowing what needs
to be entered in there but it may not be easy for a user to
get that setup.

If you have a way to reach him, let him know that the Quick-
Start guide availble here: https://stargate.org.uk/winpoint/
would probably solve his concerns. All he has to do is follow
the steps in order, and all should work after that.

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Re: Winpoint mailer
By: August Abolins to Alan Ianson on Sun Feb 14 2021 10:37 pm

If you have a way to reach him, let him know that the Quick-
Start guide availble here: https://stargate.org.uk/winpoint/
would probably solve his concerns. All he has to do is follow
the steps in order, and all should work after that.

I did send him a winpoint basic setup guide, a pdf file. I think that will be helpful to him.

It is Cyberpope setting up. You can find him here on the BBS and he is in several echoes also. Maybe this one, I'm not sure.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Hello Dale!

*** Sunday 07.02.21 at 09:37, Dale Barnes wrote to Alan Ianson:

A quick question about Winpoints mailer, does it support
binkp?

Ttyl :-),
Al

Yes it supports dialup and BinkP. Just Remember, it is a point system, not a full mailer like DBridge, FrontDoor, InterMail etc. Just a windows 32 bit (at this time) GUI point system.

There will be a Linux version? ;)

Regards,
Martin

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Hello Alan!

*** Sunday 14.02.21 at 19:27, Alan Ianson wrote to Dale Barnes:

Yes it supports dialup and BinkP. Just Remember, it is a point system,
not a full mailer like DBridge, FrontDoor, InterMail etc. Just a windows
32 bit (at this time) GUI point system.

Yep that's great. I have a point setup here that is trying to connect
with Winpoint. He is getting it setup in his spare time and we will get that done. I think the German interface might be causing him trouble.

A fido node might be able to get setup knowing what needs to be entered
in there but it may not be easy for a user to get that setup.

This may help: https://stargate.org.uk/winpoint/winpoint_guide.pdf

Please note that the Fido contact address on the front cover is no longer valid.

Regards,
Martin

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Re: Winpoint mailer
By: Martin Foster to Alan Ianson on Mon Feb 15 2021 11:02 am

This may help: https://stargate.org.uk/winpoint/winpoint_guide.pdf

Yep, that's what I sent him. I'm sure we'll have that up and running shortly.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Yes it supports dialup and BinkP. Just Remember, it is a point system,
not a full mailer like DBridge, FrontDoor, InterMail etc. Just a windows
32 bit (at this time) GUI point system.

There will be a Linux version? ;)

Anything is possible. Right now just getting the code and components updated and streamlined a bit so I can get 32 bit and 64 bit going.


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El 15/2/21 a las 08:48, Dale Barnes escribió:

>DB> Yes it supports dialup and BinkP. Just Remember, it is a point system,
>DB> not a full mailer like DBridge, FrontDoor, InterMail etc. Just a windows
>DB> 32 bit (at this time) GUI point system.
>
> There will be a Linux version? ;)
>

Anything is possible. Right now just getting the code and components updated and streamlined a bit so I can get 32 bit and 64 bit going.

cool if linux version. I hope that the source can be public too.!

Saludos!
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