Aaron Thomas -> Björn Felten skrev 2024-09-01 16:41:

We like having businesses and we like having jobs.

We? We, who? We, the brainwashed MAGA cult members? That I can believe. But the 40M living under the poverty level would rather pay the ultra-rich than be able to spend the money on their local shops and servicemen? Hardly.

Jobs? 3M lost their jobs during #45. The only president in modern history who left office with fewer jobs. Yeah, it didn't work out well, did it?

How much do you pay in taxes, BTW?

Democrats like converting shopping malls into welfare offices.

Holy Smoke. Are you for real?

Oh, you forgot about all the satanic orgies where they eat babies and drink their blood. Maybe in the malls, then?


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We like having businesses and we like having jobs.

We? We, who? We, the brainwashed MAGA cult members? That I can
believe. But the 40M living under the poverty level would rather pay the ultra-rich than be able to spend the money on their local shops and servicemen? Hardly.

Go ahead and try to speak for millions of people who live in a country that you don't live in. I'm beginning to realize that's typical leftie behavior.

There's no magic wand that solves everybody's problems, but there is a magic wand that alleviated the problem of businesses not being able to afford to stay afloat due to high taxes, and Trump waved that wand for us.

Jobs? 3M lost their jobs during #45. The only president in modern history who left office with fewer jobs. Yeah, it didn't work out well, did it?

What is your source of that information? The pandemic caused historic unemployment. That's a fact. And there's no other logic that pins the loss of jobs on Trump policy.

How much do you pay in taxes, BTW?

I don't own a business, so I don't pay corporate tax. I pay property tax, income tax, and sales tax just like everybody else. Property tax is based on the value of my home, sales tax in NY is 8%, income tax is about 25% of my gross income.

Democrats like converting shopping malls into welfare offices.

Holy Smoke. Are you for real?

I can't speak for all the welfare offices throughout the entire state, but it happened at the former site of the Oakdale Mall in Johnson City, New York. There's still some retail space there, but a large portion of the building is now occupied by the county department of social services. And it's not a replacement for the old DSS, it's in addition to the existing one!

Oh, you forgot about all the satanic orgies where they eat babies and drink their blood. Maybe in the malls, then?

I don't know about satanic orgies, but there was an issue with Democrats and babies recently at this year's DNC convention in Chicago, Illinois. They just can't keep their hands off kids for some sick reason.

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Banning books and deregulation are not solutions.

WTF does that have to do with what I said...

It is a deflection.

Delection? Banning books is all the rage today.

He wasn't talking about banning books. If you want to start a separate
thread about that...

Just FYI, wanting the books in a childrens' school library to be age appropriate is not "banning books." Banning them means they cannot be
legally found anywhere and I am not aware of anyone doing that. Please
post some links to enlighten us.


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Regulations cost nothing and cause no delays.

Following regulations may add costs and/or delays but they are there for a >> reason.

Which means they cost something. Duh.

Lack of regulations also cost something. Duh.

Having worked in government most of my life I can tell you that some regulations are good -- they promote public or workplace safety, prevent businesses from hiring children, prevent monopolies, etc.

A whole lot of them are only in place for the purpose of collecting money -- either through fines, fees, or hidden taxes -- and don't do anything for society.

It is the latter group that most people who complain about regulations have
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Delection? Banning books is all the rage today.

He wasn't talking about banning books. If you want to start a separate thread about that...

Sure, I just made the comment that banning books and deregulation were not solutions. If you want a separate thread then by all means go for it.

Just FYI, wanting the books in a childrens' school library to be age appropriate is not "banning books." Banning them means they cannot be legally found anywhere and I am not aware of anyone doing that. Please
post some links to enlighten us.

You haven't heard about the book bans? The info is out there, have a look.

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Aaron Thomas -> Björn Felten skrev 2024-09-02 01:53:

Go ahead and try to speak for millions of people who live in a country that you don't live in.

Typical projection. *YOU* were the one who pretended to speak for other people.

Unless you are megalomaniacal enough to use pluralis majestatis, "we" means more than you. So I asked you who *YOU* try to speak for.

I'm beginning to realize that's typical leftie behavior.

First of all, I'm not a leftie, I've always written with my right hand.

Secondly, projection is the hallmark of the MAGA cult members, as decreed by their cult leader, the Orange Jesus.



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Go ahead and try to speak for millions of people who live in a countr that you don't live in.

Typical projection. *YOU* were the one who pretended to speak for
other people.

Here's what you said:

"We? We, who? We, the brainwashed MAGA cult members? That I can
believe. But the 40M living under the poverty level would rather pay the
ultra-rich than be able to spend the money on their local shops and
servicemen? Hardly."

You were speaking for "40M" people, now you're claiming that I am the one who was speaking for others. That also is typical leftie behavior.

Unless you are megalomaniacal enough to use pluralis majestatis, "we" means more than you. So I asked you who *YOU* try to speak for.

Oh, I forgot. I was distracted by all that speaking for 40M people that you were doing.

First of all, I'm not a leftie, I've always written with my right
hand.

And now George Soros does all the writing for you.

Secondly, projection is the hallmark of the MAGA cult members, as decreed by their cult leader, the Orange Jesus.

Right. I shouldn't project anything, I should just let the media and the world's elite do all the thinking for me.

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Just FYI, wanting the books in a childrens' school library to be age appropriate is not "banning books." Banning them means they cannot be legally found anywhere and I am not aware of anyone doing that. Please post some links to enlighten us.

You haven't heard about the book bans? The info is out there, have a look.

Aside from some "third party" rubbish, the only (not) bans I have heard
about, or seen any information on, are groups trying to make sure that
their kids' school libraries are age appropriate for their kids' age and not adults.

Now, I am aware of a leftist movement a few recent years back where they protested and protested and got some Dr. Seuss books effectively banned.
Is that what you are talking about?


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Aaron Thomas -> Björn Felten skrev 2024-09-03 01:03:

Unless you are megalomaniacal enough to use pluralis majestatis, "we"
means more than you. So I asked you who *YOU* try to speak for.

Oh, I forgot. I was distracted by all that speaking for 40M people that you were doing.

Ah yes, another infamous MAGA hallmark. Never answer a direct question. If you can't lie, deflect.

"Deflection is a defense mechanism characterized by redirecting a conversation away from a challenging topic or issue to something less emotionally charged."

Shall we give it another try?

Who are the "we" that you claim to represent?



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Unless you are megalomaniacal enough to use pluralis majestatis,
means more than you. So I asked you who *YOU* try to speak for.

Oh, I forgot. I was distracted by all that speaking for 40M people th you were doing.

Ah yes, another infamous MAGA hallmark. Never answer a direct question. If you can't lie, deflect.

"Deflection is a defense mechanism characterized by redirecting a conversation away from a challenging topic or issue to something less emotionally charged."

Shall we give it another try?

Who are the "we" that you claim to represent?

I speak for myself and not for other people. Speaking for other people is something that elitists do, and it's also something that people who watch too much tv do.

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On 03 Sep 2024, Björn Felten said the following...

Aaron Thomas -> Björn Felten skrev 2024-09-03 01:03:

Unless you are megalomaniacal enough to use pluralis majestatis, "
means more than you. So I asked you who *YOU* try to speak for.

Oh, I forgot. I was distracted by all that speaking for 40M people tha
you were doing.

Ah yes, another infamous MAGA hallmark. Never answer a direct
question. If you can't lie, deflect.

"We the people" - of the United States.
This excludes you and that other piece of garbage from Canada as well.
For the non-believers there is always Canada and of course Sweden.

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You haven't heard about the book bans? The info is out there, have a look.

Aside from some "third party" rubbish,

What third parties do you speak of?

the only (not) bans I have heard about, or seen any information on, are groups trying to make sure that their kids' school libraries are age appropriate for their kids' age and not adults.

Oh yeah, I'm on board. I don't think school libraries need to have porn on the shelves.

Of course we both know that is not happening.

Book bans are indeed all the rage in some places today.

Book bans diminish the quality of education students have access to and restrict their exposure to important persepectives that form the fabric of a culturaly pluralist society (like the United States).

Now, I am aware of a leftist movement a few recent years back where they protested and protested and got some Dr. Seuss books effectively banned.
Is that what you are talking about?

Is Dr. Suess banned? No.

Six of Dr. Suess's lesser know works are no longer published because of racist imagery.

Do you find that "leftist"?

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Book bans are indeed all the rage in some places today.

Book bans diminish the quality of education students have access to and restrict their exposure to important persepectives that form the fabric
of a culturaly pluralist society (like the United States).

Books are a form of media, and can be used as a mode of propagation. Books about mathematics, science, programming languages, punctuation, vocabulary, etc are safe enough to be shared with children, but it's books in the literature, history, and sociology categories that need to be reviewed by parents first, to make sure that the education system isn't trying to molest their brains.

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Books are a form of media, and can be used as a mode of propagation. Books about mathematics, science, programming languages, punctuation, vocabulary, etc are safe enough to be shared with children, but it's books in the literature, history, and sociology categories that need to be reviewed by parents first, to make sure that the education system isn't trying to molest their brains.

Oh, I agree parents should keep up with what their children are doing/reading in school. That's normal.

Mike and I were discussing book bans. That's a little different.

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Aaron Thomas -> Björn Felten skrev 2024-09-03 23:18:

Who are the "we" that you claim to represent?

I speak for myself and not for other people.

We like having businesses and we like having jobs.

I don't see an I here, but I can see two we.

Don't you even understand how different this would look like if you said:

"I like having businesses and I like having jobs."

But no, it sounds much better if you pretend to be speaking for millionss of other people, doesn't it?

When I mention the 40M US people living under the poverty level, I am the one pretending to be speaking of behalf of those people?

What if I hade mentioned the 41M living in Canada, would that have made me speaking for all the Canadians?

#MAGALogicFails


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When I mention the 40M US people living under the poverty level, I
am the one pretending to be speaking of behalf of those people?

You didn't just simply mention them, you said what they would rather have. That's called speaking for someone else.

We like having businesses and we like having jobs.

We both spoke for other people. Shame on us. But back to the point: What would we have without businesses and jobs? Caves and loincloths?

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You haven't heard about the book bans? The info is out there, have a look.

Aside from some "third party" rubbish,

What third parties do you speak of?

Project 2025, talking heads on the Internet, etc.

the only (not) bans I have heard about, or seen any information on, are groups trying to make sure that their kids' school libraries are age appropriate for their kids' age and not adults.

Oh yeah, I'm on board. I don't think school libraries need to have porn on the
shelves.

Of course we both know that is not happening.

Except it was. When Dale was here, he and I had a discussion about this. Someone posted a list of books that were on a "hit list," and he and I both agreed that some of them verged on porn and didn't need to be in public schools.

A school system in the NE US even admitted as much. A parent attempted to
read passages from a book from his elementary school aged kid's school
library at a board of education meeting. The board cut him off stating
that "reading pornography" during a meeting was not allowed.

"Pornography" was their word, not the parent's.

Book bans are indeed all the rage in some places today.

Where in the USA are books being outright banned, where you cannot get a copy of said books anywhere anymore?

Now, I am aware of a leftist movement a few recent years back where they protested and protested and got some Dr. Seuss books effectively banned.
Is that what you are talking about?

Is Dr. Suess banned? No.

The books in question are no longer published and you cannot find them on
offer any more. Internet sites won't allow used copies to be sold. Unless you can find them at a rummage sale, they are no longer available -- which is what "effectively banned" means.

Six of Dr. Suess's lesser know works are no longer published because of racist
imagery.

Whether or not the imagery was racist was very questionable. The publisher
had previously changed some of the language to better meet today's
standards, but ultimately at least one of the books was banned for
containing a picture of a Chinese character wearing a traditional Chinese outfit.

That is where the rub really is. If China doesn't like something, it has
to go away. In China, even though he was a major character in the movie, images of actor John Boyega (who is black) had to be shrunk or completely removed from movie posters and ads for Star Wars The Force Awakens.
(Sources - The Guardian, CNN, Variety). Disney caved to the CCP and did
that so they could make money showing the movie in China.

TikTok shadowbans black creators for the same reason as TikTok is a Chinese company and therefore counts the CCP as one of its owners. Per a PBS
special a couple of years back, this shadowbanning extended to the US
TikTok platform as well (presumably to keep China happy).

Google "TikTok shadow ban black people" to read about it.

<sarcasm> Nothing racist there. </sarcasm>

Do you find that "leftist"?

Leftist generally don't like it when you bring up China being a reason that certain forms of racism are tolerated while other, non-racist things get labeled "racist."


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A school system in the NE US even admitted as much. A parent attempted to read passages from a book from his elementary school aged kid's school library at a board of education meeting. The board cut him off stating
that "reading pornography" during a meeting was not allowed.

"Pornography" was their word, not the parent's.

That is not happening in Canada and I would be surprised if it is happening in the US. If such material slipped through the cracks it can be removed.

If this was pointed out to a librarian it would be removed. Or am I wrong?

Book bans are indeed all the rage in some places today.

Where in the USA are books being outright banned, where you cannot get a copy of said books anywhere anymore?

I don't have access to a web browser presently, but do a search for "list of banned books".

Do you find that "leftist"?

Leftist generally don't like it when you bring up China being a reason that certain forms of racism are tolerated while other, non-racist things get labeled "racist."

Bring up China as you need. China is a deeply racist country. China's racism is a reality, not much to be done about it. I dunno, but I don't think China wants to talk about it, or much of anything at all.

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Hello Gregory,

[..]

Ah yes, another infamous MAGA hallmark. Never answer a direct
question. If you can't lie, deflect.

"We the people" - of the United States.
This excludes you and that other piece of garbage from Canada as well.
For the non-believers there is always Canada and of course Sweden.

Come to Louisiana. Leave different.

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Hello Björn,

Who are the "we" that you claim to represent?

I speak for myself and not for other people.

We like having businesses and we like having jobs.

I don't see an I here, but I can see two we.

What is capital? What is labor? Are they one and the same thing?

Don't you even understand how different this would look like if you said:

"I like having businesses and I like having jobs."

What he said is something far different.

It is kind of like saying "I am my own grandpa."

While within the realm of possibilities, it is far from likely.

But no, it sounds much better if you pretend to be speaking for millionss of
other people, doesn't it?

Of course it does. That is why the state of Louisiana made it the
official state tourism motto - "Come to Louisiana. Leave different."

See how that works? The state of Louisiana speaks for millions
of other people. In its own official words.

When I mention the 40M US people living under the poverty level, I am the one pretending to be speaking of behalf of those people?

That's right. The state has to make it official. Otherwise it is
just your own opinion. For whatever that is worth.

What if I hade mentioned the 41M living in Canada, would that have made me speaking for all the Canadians?

Oh, come now. Canadians do not "come to Canada, leave different".

#MAGALogicFails

Logic is futile.

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A school system in the NE US even admitted as much. A parent attempted to read passages from a book from his elementary school aged kid's school library at a board of education meeting. The board cut him off stating that "reading pornography" during a meeting was not allowed.

"Pornography" was their word, not the parent's.

That is not happening in Canada and I would be surprised if it is happening in
the US. If such material slipped through the cracks it can be removed.

If this was pointed out to a librarian it would be removed. Or am I wrong?

Im past, yes. In the current climate, it would depend on what it was. If
it is a book that depicts (with non-scientific illustrations) two young
boys sexually experimenting on each other, it very well might not be
removed.

If it is a boy and a girl then, yes, it probably will be.

Leftist generally don't like it when you bring up China being a reason that certain forms of racism are tolerated while other, non-racist things get labeled "racist."

Bring up China as you need. China is a deeply racist country. China's racism i
a reality, not much to be done about it. I dunno, but I don't think China want
to talk about it, or much of anything at all.

I agree with your statements. That said, being as racist as they are, we should not allow them to dictate to us what is racist or not as they
obviously don't have a clue.


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"We the people" - of the United States.
This excludes you and that other piece of garbage from Canada as well.
For the non-believers there is always Canada and of course Sweden.

Come to Louisiana. Leave different.

I might just do that. One day.

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Come to Louisiana. Leave different.

I might just do that. One day.

Hell yea. They have a good governor!

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If this was pointed out to a librarian it would be removed. Or am I wrong?

Im past, yes. In the current climate, it would depend on what it was. If
it is a book that depicts (with non-scientific illustrations) two young
boys sexually experimenting on each other, it very well might not be
removed.

If it is a boy and a girl then, yes, it probably will be.

I don't think sexual experimentation of any kind is part of school curriculum and has no place in school library. Reporting such material to a librarian should be enough to remove the book from the school library.

Bring up China as you need. China is a deeply racist country. China's racism

i

a reality, not much to be done about it. I dunno, but I don't think China

want

to talk about it, or much of anything at all.

I agree with your statements. That said, being as racist as they are, we should not allow them to dictate to us what is racist or not as they obviously don't have a clue.

Agreed. I wouldn't take China's word for anything, or let them dictate anything at all.

That's not to say I wouldn't talk to them and hope for better.. but..

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If this was pointed out to a librarian it would be removed. Or am I wrong?

Im past, yes. In the current climate, it would depend on what it was. If it is a book that depicts (with non-scientific illustrations) two young boys sexually experimenting on each other, it very well might not be removed.

If it is a boy and a girl then, yes, it probably will be.

I don't think sexual experimentation of any kind is part of school curriculum and has no place in school library. Reporting such material to a librarian should be enough to remove the book from the school library.

You are hitting on the problem, thought. That is what most people think
but when parents complain they get hit with a "phobia" and "book banner" accusation when, in reality, they are trying to have things that really
have no place in a school library removed from that library.

I agree with your statements. That said, being as racist as they are, we should not allow them to dictate to us what is racist or not as they obviously don't have a clue.

Agreed. I wouldn't take China's word for anything, or let them dictate anythin
at all.

That's not to say I wouldn't talk to them and hope for better.. but..

It is worth a shot, but I would not get your hopes up. ;)


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Hello Gregory,

"We the people" - of the United States.
This excludes you and that other piece of garbage from Canada as

well.

For the non-believers there is always Canada and of course

Sweden.

Come to Louisiana. Leave different.

I might just do that. One day.

New Orleans Saints vs New York Jets
February 9, 2025
Super Bowl LIX
Caesars Superdome
New Orleans, Louisiana

Derek Carr and Aaron Rodgers
lighting up the scoreboard for
all to enjoy.

With Kendrick Lamar performing
at halftime.

Be there!

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