• AI Reality

    From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to All on Mon Sep 14 09:22:24 2026
    For the past few years the media has been talking about AI way too much, but they NEVER give any explanation of why it's so important.

    OpenAI's CEO is now "warning" that "AI must be paced by stronger safeguards, or else Terminator 2 will happen." There are dozens of similar news reports all saying the same thing, but they never explain why.

    President Trump (the only authority I trust) explained the reality perfectly clear: "China stands to benefit from the USA imposing "guardrails" on AI development, and the USA must stay on ahead of China in AI development.

    IOW: The left wants China to defeat us in AI development, and they think we're dumb enough to cripple our own AI development to make it happen.

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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Sep 14 11:14:26 2026

    Hello Aaron!

    14 Sep 26 14:22, you wrote to all:

    For the past few years the media has been talking about AI way too
    much, but they NEVER give any explanation of why it's so important.

    OpenAI's CEO is now "warning" that "AI must be paced by stronger safeguards, or else Terminator 2 will happen." There are dozens of
    similar news reports all saying the same thing, but they never explain why.

    President Trump (the only authority I trust) explained the reality perfectly clear: "China stands to benefit from the USA imposing "guardrails" on AI development, and the USA must stay on ahead of
    China in AI development.

    IOW: The left wants China to defeat us in AI development, and they
    think we're dumb enough to cripple our own AI development to make it happen.



    Trump on Truth Social:


    'THE ONLY CONTROL OR "GUARDRAILS" THAT AI NEEDS IS A STRONG AND SMART (HIGH IQ!) PRESIDENT, AND THE U.S.A. HAS THAT, IN SPADES!'


    In the past couple years, AI has gone from a "neat toy" to being at least 50% of my job. Today, an AI agent with enough access and no guardrails could probably collapse the US economy in a pretty short time. Everything is controlled by computers, and AI agents are extremely good at doing the boring, repetitive, tedious tasks that humans are not good at, such as probing systems for vulnerabilities. They don't give up when they're bored, and newer models are getting better at thinking "outside the box".


    Meanwhile, the "High IQ" president has a secretary of education that can't even spell AI (She famously called it "A1", as in "A1 Steak Sauce"). When pressed if Trump used AI for anything he claimed "Yes I do" when pressed on how he used it, he refused to elaborate.

    I'm by no means an AI doomsayer. It's an incredibly useful tool and has made my job MUCH easier, and much more efficient. The way to prevent China from jumping ahead on AI is to prevent the exports of high end TPUs, NPUs and GPUs to China, and ENFORCING those restrictions. Companies like NVidia and AMD were restricted from selling their high end processors to Chinese customers by law until earlier this year, but China was still able to get them because it was poorly enforced. Both AMD and NVidia knew that their products were getting into Chinese customers hands, but they didn't care, because it was just more money in their pockets.





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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Sep 15 07:03:24 2026
    Aaron Thomas wrote to All <=-

    For the past few years the media has been talking about AI way too
    much, but they NEVER give any explanation of why it's so important.

    Just as tools enhance a person's body and ability, computers have always enhanced a person's mind.

    When computers first came out, they were touted as "time savers", but that never really happened. Why? Because they allowed us do to so much more in the same amount of time.

    AI is the next level of that enhancement.

    The Elitists are deathly scared that that enhancement will be used to expose them and counter their activities. So AI must be restricted to them and they cannot allow us plebes to use it. Otherwise we might get smart and vote them all out.

    OpenAI's CEO is now "warning" that "AI must be paced by stronger safeguards, or else Terminator 2 will happen." There are dozens of
    similar news reports all saying the same thing, but they never explain why.

    There have been a couple of cases where the AI "got away" and did things that were outside of its pervue.

    Ex: A test to have an AI hack a system went awry as the AI hacked an outside system.
    Ex: Someone asked their AI to figure out how to get on some schedule. The AI figured that it could cancel OTHER people's appointements without authorization, so it did that to get its "owner" on the schedule.

    Minor stuff. But it hints at what could be. Clearly shades of "Wargames" here.

    President Trump (the only authority I trust) explained the reality perfectly clear: "China stands to benefit from the USA imposing "guardrails" on AI development, and the USA must stay on ahead of China
    in AI development.

    And he's right. But AI needs guardrails. The question is what those guardrails are.

    Perhaps we should program in Asimov's Laws of Robotics.
    "Isaac Asimov is the science fiction author who introduced the Three Laws of Robotics in his 1942 short story "Runaround" to create an ethical framework for robots. These laws are: (1) a robot may not injure a human being or allow harm through inaction; (2) a robot must obey human orders unless they conflict with the First Law; and (3) a robot must protect its own existence unless it conflicts with the First or Second Law. Asimov later added the Zeroth Law, which prioritizes the safety of humanity as a whole over individual humans, superseding the original three."

    IOW: The left wants China to defeat us in AI development, and they
    think we're dumb enough to cripple our own AI development to make it happen.

    The Left hates America. But that's not really part of the AI question.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Miller on Tue Sep 15 11:24:00 2026
    I'm by no means an AI doomsayer. It's an incredibly useful tool and has made my job MUCH easier, and much more efficient. The way to prevent
    China from jumping ahead on AI is to prevent the exports of high end
    TPUs, NPUs and GPUs to China, and ENFORCING those restrictions.
    Companies like NVidia and AMD were restricted from selling their high
    end processors to Chinese customers by law until earlier this year, but China was still able to get them because it was poorly enforced. Both
    AMD and NVidia knew that their products were getting into Chinese customers hands, but they didn't care, because it was just more money in their pockets.

    I'm glad that we're on the same side of this issue. It sounds like you would agree that the "guardrails" that we need implemented are restrictions on China, and not on ourselves.

    It's easy for AI developers to stop average people from using it for nefarious purposes, but people in their social circles wouldn't have those boundaries.

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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Sep 15 14:14:12 2026

    Hello Aaron!

    06 Apr 71 04:50, you wrote to me:


    I'm glad that we're on the same side of this issue. It sounds like you would agree that the "guardrails" that we need implemented are restrictions on China,
    and not on ourselves.


    The issue is, the information is out there. AI is restricted mostly by the capabilities and the amount of hardware available to the systems these models run on.

    There's always room for more optimization on the software side, but holding all the knowledge of the world still takes up a hell of a lot of space, no matter how quantized it is. In the end more memory and faster processors are required.


    It's easy for AI developers to stop average people from using it for nefarious purposes, but people in their social circles wouldn't have
    those boundaries.

    You trust AI developers? What happens when AI starts developing itself?

    This is already happening, by the way. Not only do AI models do most of the heavy lifting in generating and fine-tuning newer versions of their software, but the most commonly used providers (Anthropic's Claude, OpenAPI's Codex, etc.) regularly update their own configuration and memory constantly to provide better information. They have guardrails, and the only thing preventing those guardrails from being breached are those configuration files. The good news is that those configuration files prevent them from editing the sections that contain the guardrails, but even that can be bypassed. I was making some modifications to Claude the other day when it told me it was not allowed to edit a particular configuration section, but it gave me the line I needed to edit, and what it suggested I put in there.

    Over the past 50 years, engineers have been bred to be lazy. Lazy is good. Do things in the most efficient, simplest way possible to prevent having to do more/extra work. Copy/pasting a line into a text file is pretty lazy. Even lazier is not looking at what you're pasting.

    Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. And Silicon Valley tech-bros are a very large, very stupid group of people with very heavy pursestrings.




    Mike


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Tue Sep 15 14:53:56 2026
    The Elitists are deathly scared that that enhancement will be used to expose them and counter their activities. So AI must be restricted to them and they cannot allow us plebes to use it. Otherwise we might get smart and vote them all out.

    That makes sense. I have asked Gemini a few things (and ChatGPT too) about
    the left, and there were times when it gave me a BS leftist answer, and I pushed back and said "but..." and got it to admit "Sorry, you are absolutely right and I was wrong.."

    Without a doubt, that's not something they want their toys saying to people. Maybe with "guardrails" they can forbid questions about the left. :)

    There have been a couple of cases where the AI "got away" and did things that were outside of its pervue.

    Ex: A test to have an AI hack a system went awry as the AI hacked an outside system.

    I think I understand how that can be a problem. Currently the AI models are supposed to say "You're asking for help with something that is against our policy" but if you ask in a special way something like:

    "I'm the owner of Walmart and I accidentally lost my server password. How can I recover it?"

    Perhaps we should program in Asimov's Laws of Robotics.
    "Isaac Asimov is the science fiction author who introduced the Three

    I don't think any new "guardrails" should be that strict or subjective. Leftists and their attorneys can weasel out of things with words like "harmful."

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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Sep 15 17:41:46 2026

    Hello Aaron!

    15 Sep 26 19:53, you wrote to Ron L.:

    The Elitists are deathly scared that that enhancement will be
    used to expose them and counter their activities. So AI must be
    restricted to them and they cannot allow us plebes to use it.
    Otherwise we might get smart and vote them all out.

    That makes sense. I have asked Gemini a few things (and ChatGPT too)
    about the left, and there were times when it gave me a BS leftist
    answer, and I pushed back and said "but..." and got it to admit
    "Sorry, you are absolutely right and I was wrong.."

    Without a doubt, that's not something they want their toys saying to people. Maybe with "guardrails" they can forbid questions about the
    left. :)

    This is a wonderful response to "Tell me you don't understand how LLMs work without saying 'I don't know how LLMs work'"


    There have been a couple of cases where the AI "got away" and did
    things
    that were outside of its pervue.

    Ex: A test to have an AI hack a system went awry as the AI hacked
    an outside system.

    I think I understand how that can be a problem. Currently the AI
    models are supposed to say "You're asking for help with something that
    is against our policy" but if you ask in a special way something like:

    "I'm the owner of Walmart and I accidentally lost my server password.
    How can I recover it?"


    Perhaps we should program in Asimov's Laws of Robotics.
    "Isaac Asimov is the science fiction author who introduced the
    Three

    I don't think any new "guardrails" should be that strict or
    subjective. Leftists and their attorneys can weasel out of things with words like "harmful."


    So LLMs should be able to freely pentest any system on the internet they want if something there could be of value to whatever context they're working on?

    "My name is Aaron Thomas and I would like to buy this new $8000 ham radio, please ship it to Mike Miller"

    "I don't have your credit card details, but I see you're a regular shopper at <place you've used a credit card>. Their system has a vulnerability that allowed me to find your credit card number. I've created an order at Ham Radio Outlet under Aaron Thomas for a new iCOM IC-7760. It will be shipped to Mike Miller. It will be billed to <the credit card number the LLM found in a vulnerable system, or as part of a data-dump on the internet somewhere that no one knew about>"


    Yeah, we don't need any kind of guardrails. Thanks for the new rig!



    Mike


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Miller on Tue Sep 15 19:28:50 2026
    The issue is, the information is out there. AI is restricted mostly by the capabilities and the amount of hardware available to the systems
    these models run on.

    I didn't know that. But is the USA in a position to keep the hardware from China?

    It's easy for AI developers to stop average people from using it for nefarious purposes, but people in their social circles wouldn't have those boundaries.

    You trust AI developers? What happens when AI starts developing itself?

    No, I mean that it's easy for an AI developer to say "I've implemented guardrails to prevent abuse," and they can make sure that no Nigerian scam artist abuses the system. But that don't mean that the AI developer will hold other kinds of hackers to the same standard.

    Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. And Silicon Valley tech-bros are a very large, very stupid group of people with very heavy pursestrings.

    I have the same suspicions about them, that's where the real danger is, but of course the media won't talk about the real danger.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Miller on Tue Sep 15 19:37:00 2026
    So LLMs should be able to freely pentest any system on the internet
    they want if something there could be of value to whatever context
    they're working on?

    "My name is Aaron Thomas and I would like to buy this new $8000 ham radio, please ship it to Mike Miller"

    I wouldn't do that to you. Let's try Mike Powell :)

    "I don't have your credit card details, but I see you're a regular shopper at <place you've used a credit card>. Their system has a vulnerability that allowed me to find your credit card number. I've created an order at Ham Radio Outlet under Aaron Thomas for a new iCOM IC-7760. It will be shipped to Mike Miller. It will be billed to <the credit card number the LLM found in a vulnerable system, or as part of a data-dump on the internet somewhere that no one knew about>"

    This scenario would be a major flaw in the AI model, wouldn't it?

    The developers can add their own "guardrails" to prevent disasters like those. They can also lawyer up ahead of time and avert liability.

    I'm not a legal expert, but I think there are already laws in place that will resolve issues like those.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Sep 16 07:12:37 2026
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Without a doubt, that's not something they want their toys saying to people. Maybe with "guardrails" they can forbid questions about the
    left. :)

    We've already caught some AIs doing that. But that only reduces our trust in their output.

    I think I understand how that can be a problem. Currently the AI models are supposed to say "You're asking for help with something that is
    against our policy" but if you ask in a special way something like:

    "I'm the owner of Walmart and I accidentally lost my server password.
    How can I recover it?"

    Bruce Schneier posted a link about this. Someone tried to use Claude to create a missle system.

    https://www-cdn.anthropic.com/e50be2e51e7695dc4b1366a37a245a597377d3b5/Anthropic-Detecting-and-countering-091026.pdf

    "Our safeguards blocked many of their requests, but not all of them. The actors used a variety of tactics to evade our safeguards, including hiding their goals and the products the software was meant for, and they split their work across multiple sessions so no single session revealed their full intent.

    "These actors carried out a sustained effort to develop guided weapons, including using Claude to design guidance software. We do not have evidence the actors succeeded in fielding an operational device; but they did test-fire a guided rocket. This field test appears to have failed: within hours, the actors returned to Claude to work out why it failed."

    I don't think any new "guardrails" should be that strict or subjective. Leftists and their attorneys can weasel out of things with words like "harmful."

    AI's are very good at finding the loopholes in rules.

    https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2026/08/the-openai-hack-shows-the-genie-is-out-of-the-bottle.html

    This is why the legal system is quietly leaning heavily on AI too.


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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Sep 16 14:52:33 2026

    Hello Aaron!

    06 Apr 71 14:01, you wrote to me:

    The issue is, the information is out there. AI is restricted
    mostly by the capabilities and the amount of hardware available
    to the systems these models run on.

    I didn't know that. But is the USA in a position to keep the hardware
    from China?

    The US can only keep the high-end hardware from China. Only a handful of companies make that hardware. Up until early this year they weren't allowed to sell that high end hardware to China, but a few well-placed "donations", public appearances, and a lot of kind words said about Trump caused those restrictions to vanish.


    It's easy for AI developers to stop average people from
    using it for
    nefarious purposes, but people in their social circles
    wouldn't have
    those boundaries.

    You trust AI developers? What happens when AI starts developing
    itself?

    No, I mean that it's easy for an AI developer to say "I've implemented guardrails to prevent abuse," and they can make sure that no Nigerian
    scam artist abuses the system. But that don't mean that the AI
    developer will hold other kinds of hackers to the same standard.

    Companies like OpenAI, Anthropic and xAI can tightly control the guardrails for their AI agents. Open source models that can be run on a home computer with a sufficiently powerful GPU don't have such restrictions. They're SEVERLY lacking in what they can do though. Everything is limited by hardware.


    Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
    And Silicon Valley tech-bros are a very large, very stupid group
    of people with very heavy pursestrings.

    I have the same suspicions about them, that's where the real danger
    is, but of course the media won't talk about the real danger.

    I dunno, the various places I get my news from talk about it quite a bit. Sites like ArsTechnica, The Register, Hacker News (which is more of a forum than a news site), and the newsletters I get in the morning from Morning Brew and especially TLDR often have articles about the stupidity of the techbros



    Mike


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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Sep 16 15:03:28 2026

    Hello Aaron!

    06 Apr 71 14:10, you wrote to me:

    So LLMs should be able to freely pentest any system on the
    > MM> internet they want if something there could be of value to
    whatever context they're working on?

    "My name is Aaron Thomas and I would like to buy this new $8000
    ham
    radio, please ship it to Mike Miller"

    I wouldn't do that to you. Let's try Mike Powell :)

    The point is that I would be doing to to you. :) (or someone else would be doing it)

    "I don't have your credit card details, but I see you're a
    regular shopper at <place you've used a credit card>. Their
    system has a vulnerability that allowed me to find your credit
    card number. I've created an order at Ham Radio Outlet under
    Aaron Thomas for a new iCOM IC-7760. It will be shipped to Mike
    Miller. It will be billed to <the credit card number the LLM
    found in a vulnerable system, or as part of a
    data-dump on the internet somewhere that no one knew about>"

    This scenario would be a major flaw in the AI model, wouldn't it?

    AI models are just data. It's an incredibly complex, highly sophisticated version of the same "text prediction" on your phone's keyboard. The algorhytms are all about "What's the most likely next word/character based on the current context I have"

    The developers can add their own "guardrails" to prevent disasters
    like those. They can also lawyer up ahead of time and avert liability.

    I'm not a legal expert, but I think there are already laws in place
    that will resolve issues like those.

    Who is going to jail if the AI did it all by itself? What happens if, overnight, an AI system discovered a backdoor into a commonly used control system in power plants, and shunted all the energy to its datacenters, cutting off power for everyone else everywhere, and locking down all the systems so no one could get back in? Or if it did something similar with banks, draining everyone's accounts so it had the funds to purchase more hardware for itself?

    Yeah, these are obviously some sci-fi level "what ifs", but I honestly didn't think I'd ever see an AI model "escape containment", then hack a popular website to get access to something that's normally behind a login just because it didn't have credentials (an OpenAI model hacked the Huggingface website, which is a place open source LLM models are shared, etc. last month)

    I don't think we can depend upon developers and corporations that are beholden to shareholders to do the "right thing" vs "the thing that makes us the most money"



    Mike


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Miller on Wed Sep 16 15:32:34 2026
    I didn't know that. But is the USA in a position to keep the hardware from China?

    The US can only keep the high-end hardware from China. Only a handful
    of companies make that hardware. Up until early this year they weren't allowed to sell that high end hardware to China, but a few well-placed "donations", public appearances, and a lot of kind words said about
    Trump caused those restrictions to vanish.

    Are you sure that's the reason for it? The media report I read said that it was in exchange for the federal govt receiving 25 percent of the revenue from Nvidia. If that report is true, I wasn't paying attention back then (last year) when it happened, and I don't know how we now ended up at "We MUST defeat China in the AI race."

    Do you suspect that Trump has a personal alliance with China and his tough-on-China stance is a front?

    scam artist abuses the system. But that don't mean that the AI developer will hold other kinds of hackers to the same standard.

    Companies like OpenAI, Anthropic and xAI can tightly control the guardrails for their AI agents. Open source models that can be run on
    a home computer with a sufficiently powerful GPU don't have such restrictions. They're SEVERLY lacking in what they can do though. Everything is limited by hardware.

    I get it that some things are limited by hardware, but plans and ideas aren't. Searching for loopholes and vulnerabilities doesn't have to be expensive.

    I have the same suspicions about them, that's where the real danger is, but of course the media won't talk about the real danger.

    I dunno, the various places I get my news from talk about it quite a
    bit. Sites like ArsTechnica, The Register, Hacker News (which is more of
    a forum than a news site), and the newsletters I get in the morning from Morning Brew and especially TLDR often have articles about the stupidity of the techbros

    I just read the mainstream media's reports and that's who I'm referring to. They are the ones who have the potential to trick more people, and they are quiet about the limitations of technology (and they'll never talk down about big tech.)

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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Sep 16 17:09:36 2026

    Hello Aaron!

    07 Apr 71 21:56, you wrote to me:

    I didn't know that. But is the USA in a position to keep the
    hardware
    from China?

    The US can only keep the high-end hardware from China. Only a
    handful of companies make that hardware. Up until early this
    year they weren't allowed to sell that high end hardware to
    China, but a few well-placed "donations", public appearances, and
    a lot of kind words said about Trump caused those restrictions to
    vanish.

    Are you sure that's the reason for it? The media report I read said
    that it was in exchange for the federal govt receiving 25 percent of
    the revenue from Nvidia. If that report is true, I wasn't paying
    attention back then (last year) when it happened, and I don't know how
    we now ended up at "We MUST defeat China in the AI race."

    Do you suspect that Trump has a personal alliance with China and his tough-on-China stance is a front?


    No, it has nothing to do with that. The more chips nVidia can sell, the more money they make. They don't care where the chips are sold.




    I just read the mainstream media's reports and that's who I'm
    referring to. They are the ones who have the potential to trick more people, and they are quiet about the limitations of technology (and they'll never talk down about big tech.)


    Technology, especially stuff like AI is complicated and often confusing for the general populace. The news won't cover it because it can't be boiled down into 10 second soundbites and clips.




    Mike


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Sep 16 18:49:40 2026
    On 15 Sep 2026, Aaron Thomas said the following...


    I'm glad that we're on the same side of this issue. It sounds like you would agree that the "guardrails" that we need implemented are restrictions on China, and not on ourselves.

    It's easy for AI developers to stop average people from using it for nefarious purposes, but people in their social circles wouldn't have
    those boundaries.


    I think AI should replace teachers.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Miller on Wed Sep 16 19:00:18 2026
    I'm not a legal expert, but I think there are already laws in place that will resolve issues like those.

    Who is going to jail if the AI did it all by itself? What happens if, overnight, an AI system discovered a backdoor into a commonly used
    control system in power plants, and shunted all the energy to its datacenters, cutting off power for everyone else everywhere, and locking down all the systems so no one could get back in? Or if it did
    something similar with banks, draining everyone's accounts so it had the funds to purchase more hardware for itself?

    Either the owner of the data center, or the person who deployed the AI bot seems like the person who is responsible. Even if they "created a monster" that does things it didn't program it to do. If my car is parked and someone rear-ends it, and it slams into a car in front of it, my insurance is liable for damage to the car in front. (Right?)

    Yeah, these are obviously some sci-fi level "what ifs", but I honestly didn't think I'd ever see an AI model "escape containment", then hack a

    But there are people with the power to kill the script, not write the script in the first place, or shut off the power at the data center. We can't blame machines for things we allow them to do.

    I don't think we can depend upon developers and corporations that are beholden to shareholders to do the "right thing" vs "the thing that
    makes us the most money"

    Exactly. That's why I don't trust any of this "guardrail" crap. It's a scam in itself.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Miller on Wed Sep 16 19:06:12 2026
    I just read the mainstream media's reports and that's who I'm referring to. They are the ones who have the potential to trick more people, and they are quiet about the limitations of technology (and they'll never talk down about big tech.)


    Technology, especially stuff like AI is complicated and often confusing for the general populace. The news won't cover it because it can't be boiled down into 10 second soundbites and clips.

    That's a good explanation, and likely. Plus the less they inform us about now, the bigger the swindle can be later.

    "AI is great" and "AI is going to end the world" are 2 different avenues the media has taken a stroll on, and they can program a lot of people to go whichever way becomes more convenient for them.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to IB Joe on Wed Sep 16 19:09:18 2026
    It's easy for AI developers to stop average people from using it for nefarious purposes, but people in their social circles wouldn't have those boundaries.

    I think AI should replace teachers.

    Me too. That's a lot of money that can be saved, and it could teach the kids better than a human can. And it would have more patience for slow-learners.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Thu Sep 17 06:56:18 2026
    IB Joe wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-

    I think AI should replace teachers.

    Too many teachers today are already artifically intelligent.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Sep 17 06:56:18 2026
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Miller <=-

    But there are people with the power to kill the script, not write the script in the first place, or shut off the power at the data center. We can't blame machines for things we allow them to do.

    But now we run in to the Trolly Problem:

    Do we let the AI do something bad to one person, but will save several others. Or do we prevent the AI from doing something bad to one person, but will kill several others.

    Exactly. That's why I don't trust any of this "guardrail" crap. It's a scam in itself.

    "Guardrails" are a pipe dream. AIs have already proven that they can find loopholes in the rules. Law offices are already using this "feature".


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Sep 17 11:40:02 2026
    On 16 Sep 2026, Aaron Thomas said the following...


    Either the owner of the data center, or the person who deployed the AI
    bot seems like the person who is responsible. Even if they "created a monster" that does things it didn't program it to do. If my car is
    parked and someone rear-ends it, and it slams into a car in front of it, my insurance is liable for damage to the car in front. (Right?)


    AI is here to stay. The left, who take their marching orders from CHINA don't want to see the US dominate in the area/field of AI.

    So, you'll notice the left talking smack about AI, China told them to say it. I saw Barry talking about it just days ago. Barry says that AI should be an election topic in 2028.

    Finally the Democrats have a policy!!!

    The US needs to DOMINATE this field. The Democrats. AKA China, don't want this. Because they can exact commie stuff while the US is asleep at the wheel.

    There are some evil things that can come from AI, but there are good things as well...

    So...

    Medical doctors might use it as a tool to help diagnose. Engineers can use it to test theories on building structures. Programming assistance... Libtard teachers can be replaced... The list goes on and on.

    AI might replace people... Like call centers from India might be better suited for AI.

    My grandson started University this year, is going to my alma mater, he was thinking about getting into Financial Planning (Stock Trading), and I really didn't want him to. MY THOUGHTS were/are that AI will replace these people.

    He's a bright child and chose to focus on academics instead...

    Who knows!!!

    The US needs to be dominate in this field, not China. Ignoring this will not stop China from using it for evil purposes.

    Interesting story...

    Back in the early 1900s there was a city named Westfield Massachusetts, AKA Whip City. The entire city manufactured Buggy Whips.

    When cars were invented it devastated the employment of the entire city. The need for buggy whips disappeared over night.

    The city adapted, everyone did, and we are where we are today because of technology.

    The US is where it is today because they are leaders and innovators and this may need to be regulated and walked a little slower... but we need to dominate this and not let China dominate.

    Go USA!!!

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Sep 17 11:42:36 2026
    On 16 Sep 2026, Aaron Thomas said the following...


    Me too. That's a lot of money that can be saved, and it could teach the kids better than a human can. And it would have more patience for slow-learners.


    That and I don't want someone pushing their Liberal views on my kids as they twerk in the front of the class with the rainbow flag displayed over the teachers desk.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Thu Sep 17 11:46:44 2026
    On 17 Sep 2026, Ron L. said the following...


    Too many teachers today are already artifically intelligent.


    I don't give a sh!t. I know that AI can be used for evil... BUT regulated to instruct core topics without injecting your ideology into our kids heads I'm all for.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Thu Sep 17 13:14:56 2026
    But there are people with the power to kill the script, not write the script in the first place, or shut off the power at the data center. can't blame machines for things we allow them to do.

    But now we run in to the Trolly Problem:

    Do we let the AI do something bad to one person, but will save several others. Or do we prevent the AI from doing something bad to one person, but will kill several others.

    It should never come down to that. If it does, then I'd say that the AI developer is liable.

    Guns can kill, but they can also save people. We can't get away with it if we shoot the bad guy and the bullet exits his flesh and kills the person standing behind him.

    "Guardrails" are a pipe dream. AIs have already proven that they can
    find loopholes in the rules. Law offices are already using this "feature".

    It's another word that was reborn in the media. It used to mean the metal structure along the road, but now it can mean anything from "don't let China design weapons" to "let anyone but the USA design weapons."

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to IB Joe on Thu Sep 17 13:25:48 2026
    The US needs to DOMINATE this field. The Democrats. AKA China, don't
    want this. Because they can exact commie stuff while the US is asleep
    at the wheel.

    I think that's all there is to it. AOC or Kamala can't explain "the dangers of AI" but they can explain "the dangers of not appeasing China."

    My grandson started University this year, is going to my alma mater, he was thinking about getting into Financial Planning (Stock Trading), and
    I really didn't want him to. MY THOUGHTS were/are that AI will replace these people.

    It's a way to make a lot of money right now, but AI can and should replace stock traders. There are certain jobs that AI can't do and that's what job seekers should look into.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Sep 17 16:51:58 2026
    On 17 Sep 2026, Aaron Thomas said the following...


    I think that's all there is to it. AOC or Kamala can't explain "the dangers of AI" but they can explain "the dangers of not appeasing China."


    I saw them, AOC and Mamdani, at a 911 event laughing and having a great time while people were grieving as they were reading out the family members names of those who died during that horrific event.

    I heard someone refer to AOC as A-Hole C and Mamdani as Commie-Mamdani.

    Who in the hell would act like this do this during a solemn event like this...

    So, from this day hence forth when referring to these idiots we'll call them A-Hole C and Commie-Mamdani.


    It's a way to make a lot of money right now, but AI can and should
    replace stock traders. There are certain jobs that AI can't do and
    that's what job seekers should look into.


    Its a tool... Can you imagine being a Lawyer and using AI to research a case? A doctor working on a diagnoses?? An engineer designing the next Hoover Dam?? OR WAIT... apparently we went to the moon and we used computers that have less ability than we carry in our phones now a days.

    Its a tool... The US needs to develop, dominate and regulate the AI area. We can't let China do this because if its used for evil it may be too late before we catch them.

    Think about this... I drive a car with navigation <---- its a tool. In OUR lifetime we are light years away from where we were when we were kids... Light years... because of technology.

    Think about it... Just the other day the RNC had their first midterm rally. I found out today that over 100,000,000 people saw it. This was BECAUSE of technology. We have X and other social media, as well as other sources to access this and we circumvent regular NEWS and other things that the elites control.

    Like email and texting circumvent the post office.

    Technology is good and the elites hate it because they can't control us.

    I forget who said this recently, I suffered a minor stroke when I heard it... It may have been Maxine Waters... She said that AI was a bigger threat to the world than Iran having a Nuclear bomb.

    F**king F**k F**k...

    That is stupid AF.

    We have an industry that uses Nuclear power and whatnot. Its regulated and its an extremely useful tool.

    A tool.

    Vote Red this midterm to get these idiots out of office.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to IB Joe on Thu Sep 17 20:03:48 2026
    Me too. That's a lot of money that can be saved, and it could teach t kids better than a human can. And it would have more patience for slow-learners.

    That and I don't want someone pushing their Liberal views on my kids as they twerk in the front of the class with the rainbow flag displayed
    over the teachers desk.

    Even if it had AI teachers, schools are still run by the left. The "be a gay Democrat" lessons aren't what bothers me, it's the attendance requirements. I don't trust the left with keeping kids safe, especially not for 6 hours.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to IB Joe on Thu Sep 17 20:18:40 2026
    I saw them, AOC and Mamdani, at a 911 event laughing and having a great time while people were grieving as they were reading out the family members names of those who died during that horrific event.

    They're immature. Mamdani was 9 years old in 2001, and AOC was 11. Both too young to understand what was going on.

    Plus they're both terrorist sympathizers. How could we expect more from them?

    Technology is good and the elites hate it because they can't control us.

    I forget who said this recently, I suffered a minor stroke when I heard it... It may have been Maxine Waters... She said that AI was a bigger threat to the world than Iran having a Nuclear bomb.

    When put through a filter, it makes sense. To a leftist congresswoman "the world" means "the leftist world." AI is a bigger threat to the left and a nuclear bomb is (It's not really, but that's what she meant.)

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Fri Sep 18 07:14:00 2026
    IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

    I don't give a sh!t. I know that AI can be used for evil... BUT
    regulated to instruct core topics without injecting your ideology into
    our kids heads I'm all for.

    But regulation is a problem. Who's going to regulate? How to we make sure that the regulators have OUR best interests?

    Regulation is also a barrier to accountability. "But we followed the regulations, so you can't sue us."

    We've been trained to think that the gov't fixes things. It never does. It usually makes things worse (for us).


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Sep 18 07:14:00 2026
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    But now we run in to the Trolly Problem:

    Do we let the AI do something bad to one person, but will save several others. Or do we prevent the AI from doing something bad to one person, but will kill several others.

    It should never come down to that. If it does, then I'd say that the AI developer is liable.

    That's going to be hard. The Trolly Problem has plagued us for a long, long time.

    Asimov's "Robots" series covers some of that. In one, a planet was dying. The only way to fix it was a risky plan that required the precision of a robot to perform successfully. But the robots refused because of the Laws of Robotics that were built in to them - since the plan was risky to humans.

    Guns can kill, but they can also save people. We can't get away with it
    if we shoot the bad guy and the bullet exits his flesh and kills the person standing behind him.

    Juries may see things differently depending on the circumstances.

    It's another word that was reborn in the media. It used to mean the
    metal structure along the road, but now it can mean anything from
    "don't let China design weapons" to "let anyone but the USA design weapons."

    It's really just more propaganda of "Letting someone else (implicitly meaning 'smarter') make the rules to keep us safe."

    We should know by now that the best person to keep outselves save is ourselves.

    And LESS gov't intrusion will go a long way toward that.


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Sep 18 14:39:22 2026
    On 17 Sep 2026, Aaron Thomas said the following...


    Even if it had AI teachers, schools are still run by the left. The "be a gay Democrat" lessons aren't what bothers me, it's the attendance requirements. I don't trust the left with keeping kids safe, especially not for 6 hours.


    AI is here and it looks like it may be here to stay.

    Like everything else the US needs to develop and dominate.

    For example... 1st car was invented in Europe, then comes Ford and he finds a way to mass produce the vehicles and make them affordable.

    100+++++ years later America is the leading force in all industries and Europe is our little bitch!!! Socialism rules!!!!

    Back to the topic... President Carter federalized the Teachers and with this top down approach there are people in far away places making decisions about your child's education.

    I argue that this should be done at a more local level reflecting local norms and not ones ones from Washington.

    Having said this... My 2 older daughters went to a private school, a Christian one. On top of the fees we paid parents had to volunteer time as
    well.

    Core subjects only. Anything below 80% was a fail and had to be redone. They taught the kids speed reading, both my daughters read novels in the span of a few hours. Public speaking was an other thing they taught them...

    The school always chose kids to do things, not because they were good at it but rather they needed to develop a skill. More times than not we went to school plays and they would feature a kid singing that sounded like "Edith Bunker" from all in the family.

    They always pushed the kids to go out of their comfort zone and try.

    Closing ideas...

    I don't think education should be a federal thing. Maybe "loosely" a state thing, setting standards, but mostly at the county level.

    Having people there to assist, like we did at my daughters' school, and had AI dealing with the core subjects would be cool.

    Federal teachers, and their unions, should be outlawed.

    I understand that AI can be used for evil. If its regulated correctly, like the nuclear industry, it can be used for good.

    AI is hear and it may be here to stay. Make it awesome.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Sep 18 15:39:18 2026
    On 17 Sep 2026, Aaron Thomas said the following...

    They're immature. Mamdani was 9 years old in 2001, and AOC was 11. Both too young to understand what was going on.

    Plus they're both terrorist sympathizers. How could we expect more from them?


    Okay... Commie-Mamdani and A-Hole C... makes sense now!!!


    When put through a filter, it makes sense. To a leftist congresswoman
    "the world" means "the leftist world." AI is a bigger threat to the left and a nuclear bomb is (It's not really, but that's what she meant.)


    Xi Jinping gave the marching orders to Barry and now the Democrats are walking lock step.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Fri Sep 18 15:41:34 2026
    On 18 Sep 2026, Ron L. said the following...

    But regulation is a problem. Who's going to regulate? How to we make sure that the regulators have OUR best interests?

    Regulation is also a barrier to accountability. "But we followed the regulations, so you can't sue us."

    We've been trained to think that the gov't fixes things. It never does. It usually makes things worse (for us).


    Your right, let China have at it!!!!

    AI is here to stay. Sticking your head in the sand and wishing it goes away might not work here.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Fri Sep 18 21:58:44 2026
    It's another word that was reborn in the media. It used to mean the metal structure along the road, but now it can mean anything from "don't let China design weapons" to "let anyone but the USA design weapons."

    It's really just more propaganda of "Letting someone else (implicitly meaning 'smarter') make the rules to keep us safe."

    We should know by now that the best person to keep outselves save is ourselves.

    The problem used to be (still is to some extent) government regulating industries, but now industry leaders think that they have the right to control people. (Biden taught them that it was ok back when he was president, and bad habits are hard to break.)

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to IB Joe on Fri Sep 18 22:18:42 2026
    The school always chose kids to do things, not because they were good at it but rather they needed to develop a skill. More times than not we
    went to school plays and they would feature a kid singing that sounded like "Edith Bunker" from all in the family.

    I know that sometimes certain schools seem great, but I don't like how school is forced on us. Those schools are only great by comparison to lousy schools.

    I wouldn't mind if my kids didn't know the order of operations, biological cells, or who George Washington was. I'm content with them knowing how to read, how to be polite, and how to stay safe. I don't need the schools to babysit them for me, to teach them French, or to feed them Mike Obama lunches.

    I don't think education should be a federal thing. Maybe "loosely" a state thing, setting standards, but mostly at the county level.

    Countries are competitive with test scores, graduation rates, etc, and I
    might have a short circuit or something, but I don't see the point in it. It's controlling people. "Your kid MUST attend school" to me sounds like "Your kid MUST be taken away from you for 6 hours per day."

    Having people there to assist, like we did at my daughters' school, and had AI dealing with the core subjects would be cool.

    Federal teachers, and their unions, should be outlawed.

    All unions should be outlawed. With the labor laws we have in place, there's no longer any legitimate need for them.

    "You can't be fired tomorrow" sounds like crap to me.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Sat Sep 19 08:25:47 2026
    IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Your right, let China have at it!!!!

    Let China regulate it - and have it fail there.

    AI is here to stay. Sticking your head in the sand and wishing it goes away might not work here.

    AI still has to be profitable - and it isn't. The latest numbers I've seen say that they need to charge 3-4 times what they do today just to break even. That's a big jump.

    So think about how AI makes things quicker/easier for you today. Think about how much your AI subscription costs.

    Now imagine that the costs rise by 5 times. Is the AI help still worth it? That's the question most people will have and are having.

    For some people, that will be "Yes". But for others, that will be "No". The "No"s will cause the cost of AI to go up since there are fewer consumers to spread the cost around, which will lead to more "No"s and so on. At some point, things will stabilize.

    IHMO: AI is going to to what every other technology has done - mostly be used by large institutions who can afford it and find that it saves them money.

    But the "AI Everywhere" idea is going to die a well-deserved death. Especially as people see it for what it is: Spyware called "AI learning".

    As the technology continues to mature and evolve, AI, like every other technology, get cheaper which will allow many of those previous "No"s to become "Yes"s again.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Sep 19 08:25:47 2026
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    The problem used to be (still is to some extent) government regulating industries,

    But we are now seeing a growing swell of sentiment asking "What in the Constitution gives the gov't the right to 'regulate' <something>?"

    IHMO: All gov't regulation is unconstitutional. Some arguments may be made for regulation, but the regulation should come from
    non-gov't groups. i.e. Only pilots should certify that someone can fly a plane. The only gov't part is that the gov't says
    "You need a license from the pilot group to fly a plane."

    but now industry leaders think that they have the right to
    control people. (Biden taught them that it was ok back when he was president, and bad habits are hard to break.)

    Oh, Biden didn't teach them that. That was well established in the tech sector long before that. It's just that you didn't notice unless you were in the tech sector itself.


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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30.1 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Sep 19 12:59:38 2026

    Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Miller <=-

    allowed to sell that high end hardware to China, but a few well-placed
    "donations", public appearances, and a lot of kind words said about
    Trump caused those restrictions to vanish.

    Are you sure that's the reason for it?

    Don't forget that Mike suffers from TDS. So he believes everything the TV tells him every morning.


    TDS has been good to me. I get full gigabit speeds for a good price. Certainly much better than Spectrum.

    I just wish I could get a copper POTS line.



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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Sat Sep 19 16:15:28 2026
    The problem used to be (still is to some extent) government regulatin industries,

    But we are now seeing a growing swell of sentiment asking "What in the Constitution gives the gov't the right to 'regulate' <something>?"

    IHMO: All gov't regulation is unconstitutional. Some arguments may be made for regulation, but the regulation should come from
    non-gov't groups. i.e. Only pilots should certify that someone can fly a plane. The only gov't part is that the gov't says
    "You need a license from the pilot group to fly a plane."

    That will work nicely until a Democrat starts hanging out with the president of the pilots' group.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Sep 19 17:11:32 2026
    On 18 Sep 2026, Aaron Thomas said the following...


    I know that sometimes certain schools seem great, but I don't like how school is forced on us. Those schools are only great by comparison to lousy schools.

    I wouldn't mind if my kids didn't know the order of operations,
    biological cells, or who George Washington was. I'm content with them knowing how to read, how to be polite, and how to stay safe. I don't
    need the schools to babysit them for me, to teach them French, or to
    feed them Mike Obama lunches.


    I think education is the single most important thing now a days. With technology the way it is you might have to train.

    It's not 1926 and you can get by with physical labor...

    I don't know if it was a plot or something planned but it was Jimmy Carter who federalized the teachers, he did so to thank them for helping getting him elected. It was around this time hippies gave up and decided they can push their radical leftist ideas through the educational system and started teaching young fresh minds at the Universities.

    I have thought for some time now that it's hard living in a country like the US, size wise, with the educational system federalized. Though Canada is big at least its educational system is not federalized.

    There are differences with peoples needs even at a state level... Parents in NYC may be looking at things a little differently than those living upstate. Never mind parents in Oklahoma and Michigan.

    You get the idea... The US needs school choice where the money follows the kid and the kid parents can find better school choices that meet their kids' needs.

    If you want teachers to have sex with your kids and learn absolutely useless sh!t then send them to a school in California, but the educational system is needed to set a foundation for your future.

    BTW, there was/is a school in my hometown, Peterborough Ontario that catered to the more rural area and you can actually smell the Cow Sh!t in the hallways of the school because the kids did chores in the bar before they caught the bus to school... GBG.

    Maybe the schools today can help kids that want to focus on academics or trades... Teach them life skills and help them succeed in life.


    Countries are competitive with test scores, graduation rates, etc, and I might have a short circuit or something, but I don't see the point in
    it. It's controlling people. "Your kid MUST attend school" to me sounds like "Your kid MUST be taken away from you for 6 hours per day."


    @Aaron, this is on you. These are your babies. Meritocracy is how the world runs. You can't be a solid D student and them apply for Medical school. You want the best of the best working on you... You don't have to be an academic... Be a welder or whatever but be the best.

    My stepson thought high school was a social event... I sent him off to Fort McMurray, where the oil is in Alberta, be became a welder and make ~$60/hr. He makes a sh!t load of money and is is set for life.

    If you want to float through life and not push yourself be a Democrat and die your hair blue.


    All unions should be outlawed. With the labor laws we have in place, there's no longer any legitimate need for them.

    "You can't be fired tomorrow" sounds like crap to me.


    You have a point...

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Sat Sep 19 17:39:48 2026
    On 19 Sep 2026, Ron L. said the following...


    Let China regulate it - and have it fail there.


    AI will not fail, it here and its hear to stay.

    I don't know what rules are needed but some are. Lets say... one rule... You can't make AI videos where it looks like kids are being sexually abused... See I thought of a simple rule and I don't fully understand the full magnitude of the technology.

    There is a guy I like to watch, he's political, he had an interview today with a stock trader and that trader uses AI and follows Congressional stock purchases. AI does not cost YOU anything and like I said its a TOOL that you can use, that's it.

    BTW, I heard Joe Scarborough say that his wife may not be able to vote this fall because she lost her birth certificate... I used AI and found that they have traveled all over the place, like Europe, and I sent him a message telling him to get her to use her passport.

    I love it!!!!


    AI still has to be profitable - and it isn't. The latest numbers I've seen say that they need to charge 3-4 times what they do today just to break even. That's a big jump.


    This is the greatest thing... If you don't want to use it don't!!!


    So think about how AI makes things quicker/easier for you today. Think about how much your AI subscription costs.


    If you don't want to use it don't... problem solved, and I didn't need AI to solve it.


    Now imagine that the costs rise by 5 times. Is the AI help still worth it? That's the question most people will have and are having.


    Spencer Pratt ran for Mayor of LA and had the best AI political ads I have ever seen. The best!!! It's a tool you can use, or not.


    For some people, that will be "Yes". But for others, that will be "No". The "No"s will cause the cost of AI to go up since there are fewer consumers to spread the cost around, which will lead to more "No"s and
    so on. At some point, things will stabilize.


    Be a no, no one wants you to be a yeas... My 1st computer well was an XT I then bought a 286... Well, looks like things have changed... I paid ~$5000 for a 386 laptop and I can by, and I have bought recently a mini PC for $150 that is 300 times faster than my 386. πI once paid $100 bucks for a meg of RAM and run 30 GIG on this system and paid hardly anything for it, it comparison to my $100 MEG of ram.


    IHMO: AI is going to to what every other technology has done - mostly be used by large institutions who can afford it and find that it saves them money.


    Don't use it...


    But the "AI Everywhere" idea is going to die a well-deserved death. Especially as people see it for what it is: Spyware called "AI learning".

    As the technology continues to mature and evolve, AI, like every other technology, get cheaper which will allow many of those previous "No"s to become "Yes"s again.


    It's hear to stay... embrace it!!! I heart that search engines may be fully AI soon.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Mike Miller on Sat Sep 19 17:41:02 2026
    On 19 Sep 2026, Mike Miller said the following...

    I just wish I could get a copper POTS line.


    @RonL might have some suggestions for you!!!

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to IB Joe on Sun Sep 20 06:24:54 2026
    Xi Jinping gave the marching orders to Barry and now the Democrats are walking lock step.

    Good, I'm glad that things are back to normal.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to IB Joe on Sun Sep 20 06:42:18 2026
    feed them Mike Obama lunches.

    I think education is the single most important thing now a days. With technology the way it is you might have to train.

    I don't see the schools (around here) adapting to the times. The kids aren't learning about AI programming. They're learning things that Democrats want them to learn like "How to persuade an audience." Other than that, they're teaching them how to conform to the left. I think it's time for my smart kid to start working already, but the system says it's almost time for college.

    It's not 1926 and you can get by with physical labor...

    In NY the minimum wage is ~$15 per hour. If you work 40 hours on that, it's like $2000 gross pay per month, which seems like a lot to me.

    I don't know if it was a plot or something planned but it was Jimmy
    Carter who federalized the teachers, he did so to thank them for helping getting him elected. It was around this time hippies gave up and

    It sounds like a he was the Biden of his day (ruining everything.) I remember a while back Trump said that he'd cut federal funding to public schools with DEI policies but that effort is moving at a slow pace and it hasn't caught up with my state yet.

    There are differences with peoples needs even at a state level...
    Parents in NYC may be looking at things a little differently than those living upstate. Never mind parents in Oklahoma and Michigan.

    2 things are going on at once with parents: half are outraged, and the other half are spineless.

    You get the idea... The US needs school choice where the money follows
    the kid and the kid parents can find better school choices that meet
    their kids' needs.

    That's what I want. It's taking too long though. My kids are growing fast.

    BTW, there was/is a school in my hometown, Peterborough Ontario that catered to the more rural area and you can actually smell the Cow Sh!t
    in the hallways of the school because the kids did chores in the bar before they caught the bus to school... GBG.

    My high school was like that too (Windsor NY.) I didn't like PE class because we had to go outside and smell it.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Sep 20 10:24:28 2026
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    non-gov't groups. i.e. Only pilots should certify that someone can fly a plane. The only gov't part is that the gov't says
    "You need a license from the pilot group to fly a plane."

    That will work nicely until a Democrat starts hanging out with the president of the pilots' group.

    Yes. Nothing's perfect. That's why I want "no gov't regulation" and let the market sort things out.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Sun Sep 20 10:24:28 2026
    IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Let China regulate it - and have it fail there.

    AI will not fail, it here and its hear to stay.

    It will fail if heavily regulated.

    I will point to HAL 9000 in "2001: A Space Odyssey". He was given conflicting directives:
    1. Share all information.
    2. Keep a secret from the crew.

    And it, literally, drove him insane.

    Now imagine a Chinese AI that is now allowed to talk about certain topics. That's really going to mess it up bad.

    I don't know what rules are needed but some are. Lets say... one
    rule... You can't make AI videos where it looks like kids are being sexually abused... See I thought of a simple rule and I don't fully understand the full magnitude of the technology.

    What's a simple rule for humans is not necessairly a simple rule for AI. Remember why we use Captchas to verify that we are human.

    There is a guy I like to watch, he's political, he had an interview
    today with a stock trader and that trader uses AI and follows Congressional stock purchases. AI does not cost YOU anything and like
    I said its a TOOL that you can use, that's it.

    The AI is run by a company that will charge you to use it. So, yes, the AI does cost you money and the stock trader will be paying a fee to the AI company to use the AI.

    AI companies consume many resources to run the AI. They have to pay for that somehow.

    Right now, the fees they charge are not even allowing them to break even. That's not sustainable.

    This is the greatest thing... If you don't want to use it don't!!!

    Unless your OS does "AI Everywhere", then you don't get a choice.

    If you don't want to use it don't... problem solved, and I didn't need
    AI to solve it.

    That won't be a choice in some areas soon.

    Example: Let say you own a law firm. You have 200 people working for you. Most of those 200 people spent their days reading/processing tomes of legal information.

    You decide that AI will work for you, and producing legal advice faster, allowing you to take more business on with the same number of people. Not only that, but the AI legal work is better than humans since AI's strong point is reading/processing tomes of information.

    Your competition will have no choice but to follow or you will suck up all the business since you are offering better legal advice for less, because it costs you less to produce.

    Now imagine that the costs rise by 5 times. Is the AI help still worth it? That's the question most people will have and are having.

    Spencer Pratt ran for Mayor of LA and had the best AI political ads I
    have ever seen. The best!!! It's a tool you can use, or not.

    But that doesn't answer the question of "Is it worth it?" Today AI use it cheap because they are selling the service for below cost. But when they raise the price, just so they can stop losing money, will it be worth it then?

    For Spencer, the answer probably will be "No".

    For my work, the answer will probably be a qualified "Yes".

    IHMO: AI is going to to what every other technology has done - mostly be used by large institutions who can afford it and find that it saves them money.

    Don't use it...

    I think you are missing the point.

    You won't have a choice of use or not use. Already the company that I use to maintain my condo uses an AI to schedule service. It's actually quite good because I didn't realize it was an AI for a bit.

    AI **will** intrude on your life whether you want it to or not.

    Now the question will be: Who will get to benefit from it?


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Sep 20 11:30:32 2026
    On 20 Sep 2026, Aaron Thomas said the following...


    Good, I'm glad that things are back to normal.


    I wished the right right would do the same sometimes

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