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    From John R Walliker@3:633/10 to All on Thu Dec 11 18:28:37 2025
    On 11/12/2025 18:16, Lars Poulsen wrote:
    On 2025-12-11, Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> wrote:
    On 11/12/2025 04:12, c186282 wrote:
    ... they just run lots of pipes on the outsides of the thick stone
    walls. Works, but you'd never get away with that in modern
    commercial buildings. Things have to look all neat and tidy.

    Have you SEEN the Centre Georges Pompidou in Paris?

    ... or the Lloyds Insurance building in London, for that matter.

    I seem to remember hearing that there was an English building code that REQUIRED outside pipes for water (and sewage?) so that they could be
    easily thawed with a blowtorch when they froze in the winter?

    No, it was only done to save money.

    John


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Daniel James@3:633/10 to All on Thu Dec 11 10:23:41 2025
    On 11/12/2025 04:12, c186282 wrote:
    ... they just run lots of pipes on the outsides of the thick stone
    walls. Works, but you'd never get away with that in modern
    commercial buildings. Things have to look all neat and tidy.

    Have you SEEN the Centre Georges Pompidou in Paris?

    ... or the Lloyds Insurance building in London, for that matter.

    --
    Cheers,
    Daniel.

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Lars Poulsen@3:633/10 to All on Fri Dec 12 10:00:01 2025
    On 2025-12-11, Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> wrote:
    On 11/12/2025 04:12, c186282 wrote:
    ... they just run lots of pipes on the outsides of the thick stone
    walls. Works, but you'd never get away with that in modern
    commercial buildings. Things have to look all neat and tidy.

    Have you SEEN the Centre Georges Pompidou in Paris?

    ... or the Lloyds Insurance building in London, for that matter.

    I seem to remember hearing that there was an English building code that REQUIRED outside pipes for water (and sewage?) so that they could be
    easily thawed with a blowtorch when they froze in the winter?

    --
    Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Carlos E.R.@3:633/10 to All on Thu Dec 11 21:59:29 2025
    On 2025-12-11 19:28, John R Walliker wrote:
    On 11/12/2025 18:16, Lars Poulsen wrote:
    On 2025-12-11, Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> wrote:
    On 11/12/2025 04:12, c186282 wrote:
    ... they just run lots of pipes on the outsides of the thick stone
    walls. Works, but you'd never get away with that in modern
    commercial buildings. Things have to look all neat and tidy.

    Have you SEEN the Centre Georges Pompidou in Paris?

    ... or the Lloyds Insurance building in London, for that matter.

    I seem to remember hearing that there was an English building code that
    REQUIRED outside pipes for water (and sewage?) so that they could be
    easily thawed with a blowtorch when they froze in the winter?

    No, it was only done to save money.

    It seems amazing to me doing that in Britain, were pipes can freeze. Now
    I understand the description of an hotel (Devon) in a novel I'm reading
    (Ruth Rendell, The secret house of death).

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ES??, EU??;

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From The Natural Philosopher@3:633/10 to All on Fri Dec 12 11:21:47 2025
    On 11/12/2025 20:59, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-12-11 19:28, John R Walliker wrote:
    On 11/12/2025 18:16, Lars Poulsen wrote:
    On 2025-12-11, Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> wrote:
    On 11/12/2025 04:12, c186282 wrote:
    ... they just run lots of pipes on the outsides of the thick stone
    walls. Works, but you'd never get away with that in modern
    commercial buildings. Things have to look all neat and tidy.

    Have you SEEN the Centre Georges Pompidou in Paris?

    ... or the Lloyds Insurance building in London, for that matter.

    I seem to remember hearing that there was an English building code that
    REQUIRED outside pipes for water (and sewage?) so that they could be
    easily thawed with a blowtorch when they froze in the winter?

    No, it was only done to save money.

    It seems amazing to me doing that in Britain, were pipes can freeze. Now
    I understand the description of an hotel (Devon) in a novel I'm reading (Ruth Rendell, The secret house of death).


    I think the issue is that pre war, many many houses had no water, no
    inside toilet, no heating beyond a coal fire no electricity and so on.

    Hence they were upgraded to a water tank in the roof and some form of
    sporadic mains water supply, fed via something coming out of the ground
    and into the house.
    Drainage was often external - room size was small and the pipes were
    just routed outside for ease of installation. And indeed access for
    clearing blockages.

    Retrofitting modern infrastructure to old houses is massively expensive.



    --
    "Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They
    always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them"

    Margaret Thatcher


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Carlos E.R.@3:633/10 to All on Sat Dec 13 13:45:41 2025
    On 2025-12-12 12:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 11/12/2025 20:59, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-12-11 19:28, John R Walliker wrote:
    On 11/12/2025 18:16, Lars Poulsen wrote:
    On 2025-12-11, Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> wrote:
    On 11/12/2025 04:12, c186282 wrote:
    ... they just run lots of pipes on the outsides of the thick stone >>>>>> walls. Works, but you'd never get away with that in modern
    commercial buildings. Things have to look all neat and tidy.

    Have you SEEN the Centre Georges Pompidou in Paris?

    ... or the Lloyds Insurance building in London, for that matter.

    I seem to remember hearing that there was an English building code that >>>> REQUIRED outside pipes for water (and sewage?) so that they could be
    easily thawed with a blowtorch when they froze in the winter?

    No, it was only done to save money.

    It seems amazing to me doing that in Britain, were pipes can freeze.
    Now I understand the description of an hotel (Devon) in a novel I'm
    reading (Ruth Rendell, The secret house of death).


    I think the issue is that pre war, many many houses had no water, no
    inside toilet, no heating beyond a coal fire no electricity and so on.

    Hence they were upgraded to a water tank in the roof and some form of sporadic mains water supply, fed via something coming out of the ground
    and into the house.
    Drainage was often external - room size was small and the pipes were
    just routed outside for ease of installation. And indeed access for
    clearing blockages.

    Retrofitting modern infrastructure to old houses is massively expensive.

    My city is ancient, three thousand years, but there is no river. Well
    water tends to be salty, from the sea; mixed often. I don't know how
    they survived. I think the water in sufficient quantities arrived in
    1945, from a river 170 Km to the north. So before that year, houses here
    had no bathrooms, they were built since then as houses were provided
    with running water. Yet, I have not seen that network of pipes on the
    outside, except for rain water from the roof.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ES??, EU??;

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)