Hi Ward,

On 2022-03-04 20:30:03, you wrote to All:

For those who do not read the nodelist as the Sunday morning paper,
Janis has rejoined us ...

She wants to become a Z2-sysop ...

Just a sysop? Or is she moving to Europe? ;-)

Bye, Wilfred.

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Wilfred,

She wants to become a Z2-sysop ...

Just a sysop? Or is she moving to Europe? ;-)

She wants to scare the shit out of Putin ... that's good enough for me ...

\%/@rd

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For those who do not read the nodelist as the Sunday morning paper, Janis has joined us ...

She wants to become a Z2-sysop ...

Did she move?


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For those who do not read the nodelist as the Sunday morning paper,

Janis has

joined us ...

She wants to become a Z2-sysop ...

Did she move?

Something in the way ...

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She wants to scare the shit out of Putin ... that's good enough for me ...

ROTFL

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Hello Ward!

For those who do not read the nodelist as the Sunday morning paper,
Janis has rejoined us ...
She wants to become a Z2-sysop ...

She's very welcome here in switzerland.

Let's hope our ZC :) approves her residence outside of the country.

Matthias
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On 5/03/2022 19:42, Matthias Hertzog : Ward Dossche wrote:

Hello Ward!

 WD>> For those who do not read the nodelist as the Sunday morning paper,
 WD>> Janis has rejoined us ...
 WD>> She wants to become a Z2-sysop ...

She's very welcome here in switzerland.

Let's hope our ZC :) approves her residence outside of the country.

Does this mean that a certain Cajun could become nodelisted in Sweden if he applied/fulfilled the technical criteria?

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Does this mean that a certain Cajun could become nodelisted in Sweden if he applied/fulfilled the technical criteria?

Absolutely. But why would he want that? Today Lee has access to Fidonet via BBSs in Sweden, Finland (in R20) and several more -- thanks to Johan Billings amazing creation, JAMNNTPd. Welcome to the 21st century...



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Hello David!

 WD>>> For those who do not read the nodelist as the Sunday morning
 WD>>> paper, Janis has rejoined us ... She wants to become a
 WD>>> Z2-sysop ...

She's very welcome here in switzerland.
Let's hope our ZC :) approves her residence outside of the
country.

Does this mean that a certain Cajun could become nodelisted in Sweden
if he applied/fulfilled the technical criteria?

I don't know about sweden, but here in switzerland, we're open to interested persons. And: I'm only writing about Janis here, not other persons.

As we all get our echos from all over the place, the original concept of "regions" is a bit bogus anyway. However, we still have it and the current rules have to be respected. With our ZC having the say in who we connect, it's up to him to decide.

Janis helped me in the past, and i'm more than glad to return that favour to her.

Matthias
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Hello Matthias,

On Sunday March 06 2022 08:50, you wrote to David Drummond:

She's very welcome here in switzerland. Let's hope our ZC :)
approves her residence outside of the country.

Does this mean that a certain Cajun could become nodelisted in
Sweden if he applied/fulfilled the technical criteria?

I don't know about sweden, but here in switzerland, we're open to interested persons. And: I'm only writing about Janis here, not other persons.

While it is true that "araes of conveneient calling" have a different meaning then in the POTS age, you realize I hope that by dropping the "regional" concept you are opening a can of worms. It sets a far reaching precedent! How about Harro Wiersma? Would it be OK to you if he moved back to R28? You are also opening the door to a group of "dissident" sysops to set up their own region or net. That would bring us back to the situation with overlapping nets and the "Fido wars" we had in the 90ties here in The Netherlands.

And it should work both ways. If a sysop is allowed to move to another net, region or zone for "reasons", than a net region or zone should also be allowed to refuse a sysop for "reasons".

Plus that if you allow sysops to move to another net, region or zone for political reasons, you bring real life politics into Fidonet. That would open up an ever bigger can of worms. How about moving the "Russion" sysops in Crimea to R50?

As we all get our echos from all over the place, the original concept
of "regions" is a bit bogus anyway. However, we still have it and the current rules have to be respected. With our ZC having the say in who
we connect, it's up to him to decide.

I do not think one man should make such a far reaching decision for all of Fidonet.

Janis helped me in the past, and i'm more than glad to return that
favour to her.

What favour would that return? As you say yourself, we can get our echos from all over the place. To get Swiss echos, she does not need a Swiss node number. The "favour" you would "return" is to give her the opportunity to make a political statement.

Think very carefully before you open up that can of worms.

Cheers, Michiel

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Hello Michiel!

Plus that if you allow sysops to move to another net, region or zone
for political reasons, you bring real life politics into Fidonet. That would open up an ever bigger can of worms. How about moving the
"Russion" sysops in Crimea to R50?

Real life politics arrived already, see ENET.SYSOP. :-(

I don't intend to open a can of worms. Better ask Ward what he knows about Janis' plan to move to Z2. HE wrote thta, not me.

Matthias
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Hello Matthias,

On Sunday March 06 2022 11:19, you wrote to me:

Plus that if you allow sysops to move to another net, region or
zone for political reasons, you bring real life politics into
Fidonet. That would open up an ever bigger can of worms. How
about moving the "Russion" sysops in Crimea to R50?

Real life politics arrived already, see ENET.SYSOP. :-(

That is no reason to introduce more of that. :-(

I don't intend to open a can of worms.

You will if you give Janis a node number in Switzerland. Intent or not.

Better ask Ward what he knows about Janis' plan to move to Z2. HE
wrote thta, not me.

YOU jumped in by offering Janis a node number in Switzerland. Why did YOU not ask Ward what he meant by that before jumping in?


Cheers, Michiel

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Michiel,

With our ZC having the say in who
we connect, it's up to him to decide.

I do not think one man should make such a far reaching decision for all
of Fidonet.

No man has. ZCs have largely agreed we prefer no listings "out of zone" for a diversity of reasons which you have listed in your mail. For the same reasons listing within one's own region is prefered if someone wants to be a node. Points and users are a different thing.

When I notice out-of-zone entries, they are removed faster than someone can say "een pintje alstublieft".

Most of the ZCs do communicate with eachother ... this past week Nick and I were on the phone for more than an hour to compare notes ...

\%/@rd

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Matthias,

I don't intend to open a can of worms. Better ask Ward what he knows
about Janis' plan to move to Z2. HE wrote thta, not me.

Other than making cheese with big holes, do the Swiss have a sense of humour big enough to notice a joke when it stares them in the face?

Don't make next April 1st problematic ...

\%/@rd

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Hello Ward!

I don't intend to open a can of worms. Better ask Ward what he
knows about Janis' plan to move to Z2. HE wrote thta, not me.

Other than making cheese with big holes, do the Swiss have a sense of humour big enough to notice a joke when it stares them in the face?

Obviously not.

Matthias
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Does this mean that a certain Cajun could become nodelisted in Sweden if he ap
ied/fulfilled the technical criteria?

He has been welcome to nodelist in Z1. Nick Andre has reached out to him before. The "Cajun" always has an excuse as to why he cannot.


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Hello Ward.

<On 04Mar2022 20:30 Ward Dossche (2:292/854) wrote a message to All regarding Janis Kracht >

For those who do not read the nodelist as the Sunday morning paper,
Janis has rejoined us ...

She wants to become a Z2-sysop ...

Yeah, blew me out the water when I started getting EchoMail from 261/38 (all ended up in BAD_MSGS since my link change.) Wrote her, but no answer to either NetMail or e-mail.

Best regards,
Marc

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Hello Ward.

<On 04Mar2022 21:28 Ward Dossche (2:292/854) wrote a message to Wilfred van Velzen regarding Re: Janis Kracht >

She wants to become a Z2-sysop ...

Just a sysop? Or is she moving to Europe? ;-)

She wants to scare the shit out of Putin ... that's good enough for
me ...

ROTFL! NC of the Kremlin. She'd twitlist Putin. <g>

Best regards,
Marc

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Hi, Michiel!

06 ¼áα 22 10:11, Michiel van der Vlist -> Matthias Hertzog:

MvdV> Plus that if you allow sysops to move to another net, region or zone
MvdV> for political reasons, you bring real life politics into Fidonet.
MvdV> That would open up an ever bigger can of worms. How about moving the
MvdV> "Russion" sysops in Crimea to R50?

I want to put attention to the fact that this should have been done a long time ago. And not for political reasons, not because they are "Russians", but simply in accordance with paragraph 1.3.2 FPD. Meanwhile, at the request of R46C, I did not raise this issue.

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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Marc,

Wrote her, but no answer to either NetMail or e-mail.

I wrote her too and she replied ... indicating she wanted to stay low key ...

\%/@rd

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Hello Ward.

<On 06Mar2022 21:10 Ward Dossche (2:292/854) wrote a message to Marc Lewis regarding Re: Janis Kracht >

Marc,

Wrote her, but no answer to either NetMail or e-mail.

I wrote her too and she replied ... indicating she wanted to stay
low key ...

Ah, okay. I guess she'll answer if she feels like it. Thanks for letting me know.

Best regards,
Marc

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On 6/03/2022 22:19, Ward Dossche : Michiel van der Vlist wrote:
[..]

When I notice out-of-zone entries, they are removed faster than someone can say "een pintje alstublieft".

[..]

Ah - una cerveza por favor

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On 7/03/2022 01:40, Mike Powell : DAVID DRUMMOND wrote:

Does this mean that a certain Cajun could become nodelisted in Sweden

if he ap

ied/fulfilled the technical criteria?

He has been welcome to nodelist in Z1.  Nick Andre has reached out to him before.  The "Cajun" always has an excuse as to why he cannot.

Yeah - I already figured that. All talk - no do.

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David

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