On Sat, 16 Nov 2024 21:21:46 -0600
"Nicholas Boel -> Maurice Kinal" <0@700.154.1> wrote:

Hello Maurice,

On Sat, Nov 16 2024 19:34:35 -0600, you wrote:

<Esc>:read !trans -b -no-ansi -t ukrainian "Strong like bull, smart

like tractor."

Сильний, як бик, розумний, як трактор.

<Esc>:read !trans -b -no-ansi -t japanese "Strong like bull, smart like tractor."
雄牛のように強く、トラクターのように賢い。

Possibilities are endless. :)

The japanese one did not render.

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Hello August,

On Sun, Nov 17 2024 09:20:10 -0600, you wrote:

雄牛のように強く、トラクターのように賢い。

The japanese one did not render.

It rendered fine here as well as after you replied to it. I'm guessing whatever font you're using in Sylpheed is not capable of displaying it.

Regards,
Nick

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On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 07:48:48 -0600
"Nicholas Boel -> August Abolins" <0@700.154.1> wrote:

Hello August,

On Sun, Nov 17 2024 09:20:10 -0600, you wrote:

雄牛のように強く、トラクターのように賢い。

The japanese one did not render.

It rendered fine here as well as after you replied to it. I'm guessing whatever font you're using in Sylpheed is not capable of displaying it.

Hmmm.. Yes, I noticed the quoted part looked the same as the original. Sypheed offers UTF-8. It's on Auto-detect. Switching to UTF-8 didn't change anything in the previous messages.

There doesn't seem to be any "font" choices, just "encoding".

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Hello August,

On Sun, Nov 17 2024 10:11:40 -0600, you wrote:

It rendered fine here as well as after you replied to it. I'm guessing whatever font you're using in Sylpheed is not capable of displaying it.

Hmmm.. Yes, I noticed the quoted part looked the same as the original. Sypheed offers UTF-8. It's on Auto-detect. Switching to UTF-8 didn't change anything in the previous messages.

What is real wierd, is:

1) The creator of the program seems to have a Japanese DNS, as well as name.
2) Both of the 'filter rule' screenshots contains Japanese characters.

However, all of his screenshots look like they were done on Linux.

There doesn't seem to be any "font" choices, just "encoding".

I wonder if the Windows version relies on the Windows default fonts?

Regards,
Nick

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On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 08:55:42 -0600
"Nicholas Boel -> August Abolins" <0@700.154.1> wrote:

However, all of his screenshots look like they were done on Linux.

There doesn't seem to be any "font" choices, just "encoding".

I wonder if the Windows version relies on the Windows default fonts?

Yeah.. could be the particular behviour of the Windows version then; limited font support. Using XP here.

Not too worried about most other foreign languages anyway. English is the new "universal". :D

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Hello August,

On Sun, Nov 17 2024 11:27:10 -0600, you wrote:

Yeah.. could be the particular behviour of the Windows version then; limited font support. Using XP here.

I couldn't tell you the corerct answer, to be honest. I can tell you that I've had more UTF-8 issues in Windows than I have in Linux. Other than that, it's hard to say.

Not too worried about most other foreign languages anyway. English is the new "universal". :D

That's probably true to a point, it still doesn't *look* nearly as cool as a lot of other languages, even if you don't know how to read them. English is boring in comparison. :)

Regards,
Nick

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Hey August!

<Esc>:read !trans -b -no-ansi -t japanese "Strong like bull, smart like tractor."
雄牛のように強く、トラクターのように賢い。

The japanese one did not render.

Maybe so but at least your editor didn't grunge them like most 8-bit fido editors do. I can't render them either given that there is no terminal based fonts for Japanese ... or Chinese for that matter. With terminal fonts there is a 512 character limit as things stand today. Far more than is needed for most languages. To render Japanese a gui app with the right fonts will be needed. I am not sure if there are any terminals in xorg that can handle CJK fonts but maybe. I am guessing that Firefox might be a viable alternative.

I have a status line for vim running in a linux terminal that shows me the unicode when I place the cursor under the character in question. For example it shows the first charater as U+96C4 which seems reasonable. I could look them up at http://www.unicode.org/charts/ which does render the actual character in a pdf which is viewable on the linux terminal. Given that I am left to ponder the possibility of a graphical interface for fidonet if and when this ever becomes a real issue.

Life is good,
Maurice

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On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 23:38:18 GMT
"Maurice Kinal -> August Abolins" <0@7001.153.1> wrote:

AA> The japanese one did not render.

Maybe so but at least your editor didn't grunge them like most 8-bit
fido editors do.

I'll try a reply with the Japanese one with OpenXP next. I'm sure it will get munged since OXP does not support UTF-8. However, I do think it treats newsgroups/nntp differently. But I don't carry TUXPOWER as a nntp/newsgroup.

The Sylpheed gui is pretty good for most of this kind of messaging. Latvian would be my goto language if there was an audience. But alas, there are many more plentiful people who can manage English.

[...] Given that I am left to ponder the possibility of a
graphical interface for fidonet if and when this ever becomes a real issue.

I don't think Fidonet will ever be an enduring messaging system. I think too many people operate with GUI apps, and Fidonet messaging has simply not reached that user-base.

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Hello Maurice Kinal!

** On Sunday 17.11.24 - 23:38, Maurice Kinal wrote to August Abolins:

Hey August!

<Esc>:read !trans -b -no-ansi -t japanese "Strong like bull, smart like
tractor."
雄牛のように強く、トラクターのように賢い。

The japanese one did not render.

Maybe so but at least your editor didn't grunge them like most 8-bit fido editors do.

THIS is a reply with OpneXP (a Windows console prog). The
japanese line seemed to change when I created this reply.

[...]

Given that I am left to ponder the possibility of a graphical interface for fidonet if and when this ever becomes a real issue.

It will never be an issue. I am sure most people will have
embraced chat-messengers like mastadon and matrix for their
community messaging interests. Fidonet relies too much on
cooperating anarchists. :D

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Hello Maurice,

On Sun, Nov 17 2024 17:38:18 -0600, you wrote:

Maybe so but at least your editor didn't grunge them like most 8-bit fido editors do. I can't render them either given that there is no terminal based fonts for Japanese ... or Chinese for that matter. With terminal fonts there is a 512 character limit as things stand today. Far more than is needed for most languages. To render Japanese a gui app with the right fonts will be needed. I am not sure if there are any terminals in xorg that can handle CJK fonts but maybe. I am guessing that Firefox might be a viable alternative.

Odd, maybe it's rendering correctly for me because I'm SSH'd into my Linux console via Putty?

Given that I am left to ponder the possibility of a graphical interface for fidonet if and when this ever becomes a real issue.

The only time it actually becomes an issue (or even a topic) is when we mess around with it. ;)

Regards,
Nick

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Hello August,

On Sun, Nov 17 2024 19:52:00 -0600, you wrote:

Fidonet relies too much on cooperating anarchists. :D

Sadarbojoties anarhistiem, kas prot rakstīt latviešu valodā! :)

Regards,
Nick

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On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 18:54:38 -0600
"Nicholas Boel -> August Abolins" <0@700.154.1> wrote:

Fidonet relies too much on cooperating anarchists. :D

Sadarbojoties anarhistiem, kas prot rakstīt latviešu valodā! :)

Did you throw "anarchists unite.." to your translator? I think the proper beginning would be: "Sadarbojoties anarhisti.." or.. "anarhisti apvienojas.."

Droši vien "!trans" projekts ir parocīgs, bet es nezinu, vai tā izmantošana uzturētu ilgstošu sarunu.

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Hey August!

there are many more plentiful people who can manage English.

These days I have my doubts. Given so-called smart devices, most people these days can only handle emojii's or whatever the kids are calling them now. Speaking of which, aren't they unicode?

Fidonet messaging has simply not reached that user-base.

No doubt. However my plan is to stick with it for as long as I can still type. My keyboards have always gotten the most usage and I plan to keep it that way. How about you?

Life is good,
Maurice

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Hey August!

Fidonet relies too much on cooperating anarchists. :D

I have my doubts.

Life is good,
Maurice

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Hey Nicholas!

The only time it actually becomes an issue (or even a topic) is
when we mess around with it.

Sounds like a plan to me. :-)

Life is good,
Maurice

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Hey Nicholas!

Sadarbojoties anarhistiem, kas prot rakstīt latviešu valodā! :)

Heh, heh. I've created a monster.

This begs the question, is the windows version of vim anywhere near this capable?

Life is good,
Maurice

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Hello August,

On Sun, Nov 17 2024 21:59:20 -0600, you wrote:

Sadarbojoties anarhistiem, kas prot rakstīt latviešu valodā! :)

Did you throw "anarchists unite.." to your translator? I think the
proper beginning would be: "Sadarbojoties anarhisti.." or..
"anarhisti apvienojas.."

No. I wrote "Cooperating anarchists that can write in Latvian!" But then translating it back to english in google translate says: "With the cooperation of anarchists who can write in Latvian!" So I don't know, Latvian = 1 - Me = 0. :)

Droši vien "!trans" projekts ir parocīgs, bet es nezinu, vai tā izmantošana uzturētu ilgstošu sarunu.

Most definitely!

Regards,
Nick

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Hello Maurice,

On Sun, Nov 17 2024 22:16:57 -0600, you wrote:

This begs the question, is the windows version of vim anywhere near
this capable?

I would imagine it's probably close. I believe Michiel uses it as an external editor for Golded, if you care enough to ask someone with experience with it.

Regards,
Nick

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Hey Nicholas!

if you care enough to ask someone with experience with it

ko? Mumbajā nav Fidonet zvanu centra?

Life is good,
Maurice

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Hello Maurice,

On Mon, Nov 18 2024 20:31:06 -0600, you wrote:

if you care enough to ask someone with experience with it

ko? Mumbajā nav Fidonet zvanu centra?

Shoot. I don't think there's any of those in the US, either! ;)

Regards,
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Hello August,
On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 17:20:10 +0200, you wrote ..

Сильний, як бик, розумний, як трактор.

雄牛のように強く、トラクターのように賢い。

The japanese one did not render.

Looks to render just fine in Claws Mail on Windows 11, aside from the original when I was using slrn in a Linux console, using "Monospace Normal
- 10", FYI. So maybe it is indeed Sylpheed specific.
Regards,
Nick
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Hej Nicholas!

The only time it actually becomes an issue (or even a topic) is
when we mess around with it. ;)

That works for me. :-)

I still have some tests to pass before things get back to normal but so far there isn't anything fatal rearing it's ugly head ... yet. The weather lately gave me a good scare but other than some roof damage and 48 hour power outage I suvrived. Also managed to do roof repairs so I am appear to be good to go until the next violence from mother nature. It can and does happen at this time of year. :-(

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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