Hello Nick!
16 Nov 20 15:12, UUCP wrote to All:
As ZC1 although I do not regulate Echomail, I am nonetheless receiving some
Netmail thats beginning to have a familiar theme:
- "What is this stupid Telegram bullshit? Who was the genius behind this?"
- "I do not want my messages crossing over to Telegram servers"
- "I did not agree to Telegram's ToS nor even sign up for an account"
- "How do I opt out of this? Can you please do something about it?"
I'm curious to hear suggestions as to how I should respond to these.
Nick
Someone posted a laundry list of fido echos in the FIDOGAZETTE echo that wer recently made available via Telegram. I replied to that post with the quest "Have the moderators of those echos given permission to gate those echos?". haven't had a reply from the poster yet.
If people are concerned about Telegram's TOS, they should contact the moderators of the echo(s) in question and voice theur complaints. If the moderator fails to take action, vote him/her out!
FYI, I have contacted the author of the telegram/fido gateway by NetMail regarding non-compliance with FTS-0009 and he seems interestind in fixing things.
Re: Re: Telegram
By: Fred Riccio to All on Tue Nov 17 2020 06:15 pm
In case you were wondering, the following echos have already been added Telegram. Now I've been told that they would get permission from the moderators first, so either the Moderators of the echos below have alre said yes, or someone on the Telegram team is being less than truthful w us.
I was asked and I gave my permission.
Telegram is just another way for folks to access echoes.
Now available via Telegram for your smartphone/tablet:
I don't see a problem, am I missing something?
Ttyl :-),
Al
... Don't argue with he who buys ink by the gallon.
Hello Alan,
Re: Re: Telegram
By: Nick Andre to Alan Ianson on Wed Nov 18 2020 05:31 pm
The messages are NOT Fidonet start-to-finish on Telegram. The messages ar >> being gated - yes, gated - from Stas's BBS to a commercial Internet
platform with questionable terms-of-service, we don't know how the
messages are stored, what privacy controls are in place, not to mention >> Telegram has been hacked before.
Telegram is an interface to the message bases. When people read or write messages they do so in fidonet message areas.
It does happen that these are not Jam/Squish/*.MSG message bases on a syste >hard drive, they are stored and served on a telegram server in the middle.
that harm us somehow?
By allowing your echoes to be gated from that BBS to a commercial Interne >> platform, you are signing away the privacy of all the users exchanging
conversation as nobody has a clue how Telegram is using that data nor did >> anyone agree to have their messages gated.
Do we want privacy in echo areas? Do we have privacy now in echo areas?
The echos are Fidonet based as in that they use Fidonet as a distribution medium. As Fidonet system operators and/or moderators we are able to know wh path is used for distribution an what node/systems are involved. When and if the echos are gated then we as moderators loose that ability. I as a moderat clearly state in the echos that I moderate any and all gating of the echo(s) not permitted without prior permission.
If I had an interest in using the "Telegram" distribution I would create ech for use in that transport medium.
Jeff
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