On 22 Dec 2024, Omnibrain said the following...

Just released a new icy_term just in time for christmas :).

https://github.com/mkrueger/icy_tools/releases/tag/IcyTerm0.7.9

Let me know if there are some last minute fixes needed.
Mostly a bug fix release.

Awesome, thank you! :)

I'm able to use SSH to connect to Mystic once again, however if I leave the screen idle for 5 seconds I'll get disconnected. Doesn't happen with telnet, only SSH. If it matters I'm running Mystic SSH on port 2222.

Connecting from M2 MacBook Air to Mystic A49 2024/05/29 running on Ubuntu Server 22.04.5. Mystic is using cryptlib 3.4.5.


Jay

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On Sunday, December 22nd Warpslide was heard saying...

I'm able to use SSH to connect to Mystic once again, however if I leave the screen idle for 5 seconds I'll get disconnected.

0.7.10 should fix it however there is still something up with ssh connection.


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On Sunday, December 22nd Warpslide was heard saying...

I'm able to use SSH to connect to Mystic once again, however if I leav the screen idle for 5 seconds I'll get disconnected.

0.7.10 should fix it however there is still something up with ssh connectio

Too much trouble. Remove SSH ... pointless anyways for a BBS.

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Re: Re: IcyTerm 0.7.9
By: Omnibrain to Warpslide on Mon Dec 23 2024 04:36 am

I downloaded 0.7.10, as I saw indication in 0.7.9 that is is available.

I cannot connect to my bbs toolazy.synchro.net
telnet 2323
ssh 22
secure web socket 11235

I've never tried websocket in an application; always use ftelnet. so not
sure if I have the correct port.

I assume you add :<port> to the server name in the icy_term config.
Correct?

Would be glad to test out icy_term; but just not getting anywhere today.
I'm using Synchronet 3.20a on Linux for the BBS.


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Too much trouble. Remove SSH ... pointless anyways for a BBS.

not this again....


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Just released a new icy_term just in time for christmas :).

https://github.com/mkrueger/icy_tools/releases/tag/IcyTerm0.7.9

Thanks, Omni - I'll get to downloading and enjoying the newest version! I'll be sure to take a peek at the changelog, too!

Merry Christmas icy_term!



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Too much trouble. Remove SSH ... pointless anyways for a BBS.

not this again....

:P Lolz!!!!



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Re: Re: IcyTerm 0.7.9
By: apam to Exodus on Tue Dec 24 2024 09:28 am

Too much trouble. Remove SSH ... pointless anyways for a BBS.

not this again....

Hey, I'm curious: why would SSH be thought be pointless for a BBS?
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Too much trouble. Remove SSH ... pointless anyways for a BBS.

not this again....

Hey, I'm curious: why would SSH be thought be pointless for a BBS?

What would someone be trying to hide? Their love for Violet in LORD?

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Re: Re: IcyTerm 0.7.9
By: Exodus to Digital Man on Thu Dec 26 2024 08:53 pm

Too much trouble. Remove SSH ... pointless anyways for a BBS.

not this again....

Hey, I'm curious: why would SSH be thought be pointless for a BBS?

What would someone be trying to hide? Their love for Violet in LORD?

They might want to protect their user credentials so others cannot impersonate them and maybe use their account on the BBS to do nefarious things (e.g. attack other systems, send SPAM, etc.), or they want to send sensitive email/netmail. Whatever. Not every BBS is just for playing door games.
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Re: Re: IcyTerm 0.7.10
By: Errol Casey to Omnibrain on Mon Dec 23 2024 03:31 pm

I downloaded 0.7.10, as I saw indication in 0.7.9 that is is available.

I cannot connect to my bbs toolazy.synchro.net telnet 2323
ssh 22
secure web socket 11235

Giving this another try and it is working today. Installed deb package.

Like what I've seen so much; currently syncterm giving me some disconnect issues in latest version.

Look forward to learning more about your program. Thanks!
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Re: Re: IcyTerm 0.7.10
By: Errol Casey to Omnibrain on Sun Dec 29 2024 06:28 am

Like what I've seen so much; currently syncterm giving me some disconnect issues in latest version.

Please report SyncTERM issues (if you haven't already): https://sourceforge.net/p/syncterm/tickets/
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Re: Re: IcyTerm 0.7.10
By: Digital Man to Errol Casey on Sun Dec 29 2024 04:50 pm

Yes. I reported the problem on the website. although it did mark it as anonymous; but I did try to enter my alias and name when I submitted it.

I'll go back and visit the site, and see if there has been an update.

Thanks.
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I cannot connect to my bbs toolazy.synchro.net
telnet 2323
ssh 22
secure web socket 11235

I take a look at it - the ssh lib doesn't like the server signature. Will report upstream.

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They might want to protect their user credentials so others cannot impersonate them and maybe use their account on the BBS to do nefarious things (e.g. attack other systems, send SPAM, etc.), or they want to
send sensitive email/netmail. Whatever. Not every BBS is just for
playing door games. --

It's not the question what to hide. The question should be: Why do you want to read? :)

Telnet should never be used for the to-go bbs IMO. As a principle.
However BBSing is something that has security issues. Like the user credentials - they're always transferred as plain text to the bbs at some point (however depending on the BBS it may not be stored as plain text).

Nobody changed that so far.

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Telnet should never be used for the to-go bbs IMO. As a principle.
However BBSing is something that has security issues. Like the user credentials - they're always transferred as plain text to the bbs at
some point (however depending on the BBS it may not be stored as plain text).

How are passwords transfered plain text when using SSH? Sure using telnet
they are transfered in plain text, but every thing is..

As for password storage, I have always only stored password hashes.

Andrew
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How are passwords transfered plain
text when using SSH? Sure using tel
net
they are transfered in plain text,
but every thing is..

I know, at least for me, the BBS that I use SSH access, I had to first make an account over telnet before I could ssh in. So in that case, at least the first connect, the creds are sent over plain text.



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How are passwords transfered plain text when using SSH? Sure using telnet they are transfered in plain text, but every thing is..

How are you getting the SSH username/password?

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How are you getting the SSH username/password?

Via the ssh mechanism to send username / passwords.

Also, you can use the username and password of "new" via ssh to create an account on my bbs :)

Andrew

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Also, you can use the username and
password of "new" via ssh to create
an
account on my bbs :)

That's a neat feature! I really like that. Hopefully more BBSes will offer that where SSH is available in the future.



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On 05 Jan 2025 at 01:47a, Omnibrain pondered and said...

How are passwords transfered plain text when using SSH? Sure using te they are transfered in plain text, but every thing is..

How are you getting the SSH username/password?

If you send those over the encrypted SSH channel, then they
are encrypted and not sent over the wire in plaintext. The
SSH protocol negotiates a cipher and hash and secret key,
used to enable encryption over the channel, before user data
is exchanged.

In some implementations there is a null cipher, but that
consideration is not at play here.

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If you send those over the encrypted SSH channel, then they
are encrypted and not sent over the wire in plaintext. The
SSH protocol negotiates a cipher and hash and secret key,
used to enable encryption over the channel, before user data
is exchanged.

Can I test that somewhere? I'm curious if it works with icy_term.

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On 06 Jan 2025 at 10:17a, Omnibrain pondered and said...

Can I test that somewhere? I'm curious if it works with icy_term.

Which part, exactly? That the data is encrypted when sent?

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Which part, exactly? That the data is encrypted when sent?

Creating a new user account.

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On 06 Jan 2025 at 09:15p, Omnibrain pondered and said...

Which part, exactly? That the data is encrypted when sent?

Creating a new user account.

I think apam said it works on his BBS.

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I know, at least for me, the BBS that I use SSH access, I had to first mak account over telnet before I could ssh in. So in that case, at least the f connect, the creds are sent over plain text.

One can log in the board with SSH without an account afaik. At least to my board its no problem. When you dont fill in the SSH details with username and pass in Netrunner it just shows the log in prompt, over SSH.

oP!

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When I connect to a BBS using 132x37 Icy Term Connects with 132x37 but cuts off at col 80. So the rest of the Screen is not shown.

Here is a screenshot of what it looks like.
https://imgur.com/a/hktxiGM

Thanks!

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Oh I'm using windows version running win 7 32 bit.

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oppps! Disregard that last msg. I'm using windows 10 64 bit :)

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When I connect to a BBS using 132x37 Icy Term Connects with 132x37 but cuts off at col 80. So the rest of the Screen is not shown.

Here is a screenshot of what it looks like.
https://imgur.com/a/hktxiGM

Can I connect to this BBS somewhere? Seems I'm missing a width setting somewhere...

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Can I connect to this BBS somewhere? Seems I'm missing a width setting somewhere...

theunderground.us 10023

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On Wednesday, January 15th Cozmo said...

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-=Cozmo=-

Should be fixed: https://github.com/mkrueger/icy_tools/releases/tag/IcyTerm0.7.11
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Should be fixed: https://github.com/mkrueger/icy_tools/releases/tag/IcyTerm0.7.11

Works great and looks awesome! Thanks!

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