Here are a few supposed private/encrypted email providers that offer free mailboxes (as well as paid plans of course):

protonmail.com
Tutanota.com / tutanota.de
mailfence.com

* mysudo.com
(not sure if encrypted but should be as they are a
burner/multiple id's per account service with free email but paid burner phone #'s..

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*** Quoting phxl from a message to All ***

Here are a few supposed private/encrypted email providers that offer
free mailboxes (as well as paid plans of course):

protonmail.com Tutanota.com / tutanota.de mailfence.com

There's also hushmail.com which is a lot like protonmail except hosted here in Canada. They offer a free tier and paid upgrades.

Even though they're based in Canada they seem to charge USD, which is a sore spot for me. Right now USD$49.98 = CDN$60.24.

If you're based in Canada, stop ripping off fellow Canadians. Charge Canadians in CAD and charge the rest of the world in USD.


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phxl wrote to All <=-

Here are a few supposed private/encrypted email providers that offer
free mailboxes (as well as paid plans of course):

protonmail.com
Tutanota.com / tutanota.de
mailfence.com

* mysudo.com
(not sure if encrypted but should be as they are a
burner/multiple id's per account service with free email but paid
burner phone #'s..

Another option is to run your own mailserver and use encryption :)

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N1uro around Tuesday, May 18th...

Another option is to run your own mailserver and use encryption :)

This is very possible.. only the downside is you have to maintain and run your own mailserver; and unless you have owned the domains and ip's for many many years you will find deliverability problems here and there (especially with large providers). Also, if anything happens in your region will you have redundancy backup service so you don't lose important emails?

If you host on a VPS with a decent provider you can fair better and then use a service such as Hoppy (a hosting vpn service aimed at just this type of forwarding (meaning they don't block SMTP or allow abusive behaviors that get ip's blacklisted on major networks); but then you end up spending WAAAY more than free email costs and significantly more than a paid email account with a provider costs, probably.






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Hello Warpslide!

** On Tuesday 18.05.21 - 11:32, Warpslide wrote to All:

There's also hushmail.com which is a lot like protonmail
except hosted here in Canada. They offer a free tier and
paid upgrades.

I don't see a free option anywhere on their site.

The site is also heavily script/ad based. I had to disable
adblocker just to see the illustrations/samples of their
screenshots - not good.

I found a few places that talk about "free" hushmail, and
relevant links, but those links take you to a hushmail page
that nolonger exists.

Even though they're based in Canada they seem to charge
USD, which is a sore spot for me. Right now USD$49.98 =
CDN$60.24.

Yeah.. seems ironic that a Canadian biz doesn't offer a fixed
CDN price as an option. But that's probably because they don't
care what country you're in. You sign up, with name, password,
generate encryption keys, and go.

If you're based in Canada, stop ripping off fellow
Canadians. Charge Canadians in CAD and charge the rest of
the world in USD.

Spotify does it right. It's a fixed 9.99/mo (no additional
taxes either) on my credit card.



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phxl wrote to N1uro <=-

This is very possible.. only the downside is you have to maintain and
run your own mailserver; and unless you have owned the domains and ip's for many many years you will find deliverability problems here and
there (especially with large providers). Also, if anything happens in your region will you have redundancy backup service so you don't lose important emails?

If you know how to run a good mail server, it mainly runs itself after you have everything properly configured. Most mail servers will try for a few days
to deliver mail before kicking it back to the end user, some will issue warnings
prior so that the sender knows mail can't get through... however if there's communication *that* important, there's a device called a telephone that alexander graham bell invented that works perfectly to this day :) I tell
my clients this all the time when they become too dependent on email. May
sound a bit snarky but you can't argue fact.

If you host on a VPS with a decent provider you can fair better and
then use a service such as Hoppy (a hosting vpn service aimed at just
this type of forwarding (meaning they don't block SMTP or allow abusive behaviors that get ip's blacklisted on major networks); but then you
end up spending WAAAY more than free email costs and significantly more than a paid email account with a provider costs, probably.

My issue is that since my email address is so old, it's basically in almost every spamhouse db you can think of. I don't understand why the United Socialist States of America think it's fair I pay money for spammers to
suck up my bandwidth with emails I don't want nor signed up for.

There's also a big push to eliminate SMTP. Some tech experts say that emails will be eliminated in a couple of years if not sooner. I'll actually believe that when I see it.


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*** Quoting Ogg from a message to Warpslide ***

There's also hushmail.com which is a lot like protonmail
except hosted here in Canada. They offer a free tier and
paid upgrades.

I don't see a free option anywhere on their site.

Huh! You're right, I don't see a free option anymore either. They used to offer one, but I can't seem to find anything on when they stopped offering
it.

Even though they're based in Canada they seem to charge
USD, which is a sore spot for me. Right now USD$49.98=
CDN$60.24.

Yeah.. seems ironic that a Canadian biz doesn't offer a fixed CDN
price as an option. But that's probably because they don't care
what country you're in. You sign up, with name, password, generate encryption keys, and go.

Yeah, if you're Canadian then charging in USD is an "easy" way to make a few extra dollars. *grumbles under breath*


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phxl wrote (2021-05-18):

Here are a few supposed private/encrypted email providers that offer free mailboxes (as well as paid plans of course):

It doesn't matter that much. Most of emails conversations aren't encrypted anyway. If you want an encrypted inbox, just retrieve mails from the (webmail provider's) server and encrypt it at home. Use a mail client or browser plugin for PGP.

For really private stuff use p2p FTN Netmail over Tor Onion Service ;).

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On 05-18-21 20:08, N1uro wrote to phxl <=-

phxl wrote to N1uro <=-

prior so that the sender knows mail can't get through... however if there's communication *that* important, there's a device called a telephone that alexander graham bell invented that works perfectly to
this day :) I tell my clients this all the time when they become too dependent on email. May sound a bit snarky but you can't argue fact.

Some of us are difficult to reach by phone - first, I may not be able to answer, and I don't use voicemail. :P Secondly, I may not have time to deal with the call, certain times of day are no voice (or video) activity, and finding time to return a call is equally problematic. ;)

My issue is that since my email address is so old, it's basically in almost every spamhouse db you can think of. I don't understand why the United Socialist States of America think it's fair I pay money for spammers to suck up my bandwidth with emails I don't want nor signed up for.

I'm a bit the same. ;)

There's also a big push to eliminate SMTP. Some tech experts say that emails will be eliminated in a couple of years if not sooner. I'll actually believe that when I see it.

Yeah I can't see that happening anytime soon.


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Oli wrote to phxl <=-

It doesn't matter that much. Most of emails conversations aren't
encrypted anyway. If you want an encrypted inbox, just retrieve mails
from the (webmail provider's) server and encrypt it at home. Use a mail client or browser plugin for PGP.

For really private stuff use p2p FTN Netmail over Tor Onion Service ;).

pgp signing and encrypting would add another good layer to the mix :)

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Vk3jed wrote to N1uro <=-

Some of us are difficult to reach by phone - first, I may not be able
to answer, and I don't use voicemail. :P Secondly, I may not have time
to deal with the call, certain times of day are no voice (or video) activity, and finding time to return a call is equally problematic. ;)

I don't do voicemail either, at least on my cell. I get so much spam on that thing it's unreal... so I don't even set the mailbox up. Texting is my preferred method of contact, email second, phone call 3rd. If 1&2 fail, try
#3. I won't do Video! I'm a former radio DJ... video is TV which I had no desire to do even back in the 70s.

I'm a bit the same. ;)

What's a shame is they're supposed to give you an opt-out option by our
laws but what they do is once you click it and verify you want out, your
email address is then sold to 50 others! The new trick that some of the
mail admins have been doing (and I've been doing it now for years prior)
is take an incoming email's IP, look up the CIDR block and firewall the
whole darn block! Most of the larger offenders come from data centers who
don't give a hoot who they sell space to such as OV, AWS (where Winlink is!) and others.

Yeah I can't see that happening anytime soon.

Me either. Too many businesses live on two apps:
deFacingBook and eMail. I can see the second app... NOT the first.

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Hello Vk3jed!

** On Thursday 20.05.21 - 18:57, Vk3jed wrote to N1uro:

there's communication *that* important, there's a device
called a telephone that alexander graham bell invented
that works perfectly to this day :) ...

Some of us are difficult to reach by phone - first, I may
not be able to answer, and I don't use voicemail. :P
Secondly, I may not have time to deal with the call,..

All the more reason to use voicemail. Afterall, it's simply the
audio version of offline email/echomail/qwk that you enjoy.

I don't understand why the United Socialist States of
America think it's fair I pay money for spammers to suck
up my bandwidth with emails I don't want nor signed up
for.

The onus seems to be on us to configure server-side filters as
best we can to block or discard emails that we don't want.


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On 05-20-21 07:48, N1uro wrote to Vk3jed <=-

I don't do voicemail either, at least on my cell. I get so much spam on that thing it's unreal... so I don't even set the mailbox up. Texting

I just find it fiddly, you get a text, have to call back, get the message, write down any details, delete the message, delete the text. What a load of.... :D And all that only to leave a message on the other person's voicemail! :D

is my preferred method of contact, email second, phone call 3rd. If 1&2

Pretty much the same for me, and "text" can actually be one of a number of
pps.

fail, try #3. I won't do Video! I'm a former radio DJ... video is TV
which I had no desire to do even back in the 70s.

Video for me is on the same level as a phone call. I do use video for telehealth, however.

What's a shame is they're supposed to give you an opt-out option by our laws but what they do is once you click it and verify you want out,
your email address is then sold to 50 others! The new trick that some
of the mail admins have been doing (and I've been doing it now for
years prior) is take an incoming email's IP, look up the CIDR block and firewall the whole darn block! Most of the larger offenders come from
data centers who don't give a hoot who they sell space to such as OV,
AWS (where Winlink is!) and others.

That sometimes works, some use hijacked PCs on botnets too. More IP blocks to nuke. :)

Yeah I can't see that happening anytime soon.

Me either. Too many businesses live on two apps:
deFacingBook and eMail. I can see the second app... NOT the first.

Yep exactly.

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LOL


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On 05-20-21 07:05, Ogg wrote to Vk3jed <=-

All the more reason to use voicemail. Afterall, it's simply the
audio version of offline email/echomail/qwk that you enjoy.

No, it's more like a web forum, slow, cumbersome fiddly to navigate - and you're tied to the phone network while you're using it. :P And remember, I hate web forums? :P

The onus seems to be on us to configure server-side filters as
best we can to block or discard emails that we don't want.

Yeah, that's market forces at work. :P


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Vk3jed wrote to N1uro <=-

I just find it fiddly, you get a text, have to call back, get the
message, write down any details, delete the message, delete the text.
What a load of.... :D And all that only to leave a message on the
other person's voicemail! :D

Or be like me and ignore everyone equally <G> Just don't delete anything
until you know you've responded.

Video for me is on the same level as a phone call. I do use video for telehealth, however.

I don't do video. A higher up in our military has told me that video is a
lot easier for those looking to cause bad intentions to crack into. I don't even have a camera on my PC, and I use electrician's tape to cover those on
my phones. If I can get into a phone, which my older ones I can...I simply
open them and take the cams out.

That sometimes works, some use hijacked PCs on botnets too. More IP blocks to nuke. :)

Absolutely. -j DROP then becomes my BFF.



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On 05-21-21 07:12, N1uro wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Or be like me and ignore everyone equally <G> Just don't delete
anything until you know you've responded.

WWell, you're not going to get an answer from me, if you manage to leave voicemail. Chances I won't even know you did! :D

Video for me is on the same level as a phone call. I do use video for telehealth, however.

I don't do video. A higher up in our military has told me that video is
a lot easier for those looking to cause bad intentions to crack into. I don't even have a camera on my PC, and I use electrician's tape to
cover those on my phones. If I can get into a phone, which my older
ones I can...I simply open them and take the cams out.

Hmm, OK.

That sometimes works, some use hijacked PCs on botnets too. More IP blocks to nuke. :)

Absolutely. -j DROP then becomes my BFF.

A very useful friend! :D

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:D



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Vk3jed wrote to N1uro <=-

WWell, you're not going to get an answer from me, if you manage to
leave voicemail. Chances I won't even know you did! :D

Good luck leaving me one on my cell - I refuse to set the mailbox up
so it just tells you that it's not set up and hangs up on you <G>
"Look gang! It's Tony's favorite type of Voicemail box!" haha

Absolutely. -j DROP then becomes my BFF.

A very useful friend! :D

Sometimes too good of a friend, but better safe than sorry.


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On 05-22-21 12:52, N1uro wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Good luck leaving me one on my cell - I refuse to set the mailbox up
so it just tells you that it's not set up and hangs up on you <G>
"Look gang! It's Tony's favorite type of Voicemail box!" haha

I didn't set mine up, but people say they've left a message. It goes into a black hole, and I never get a text notification. :D

Absolutely. -j DROP then becomes my BFF.

A very useful friend! :D

Sometimes too good of a friend, but better safe than sorry.

True. :)

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:D


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On 20 May 2021, Oli said the following...

Here are a few supposed private/encrypted email providers that offer f mailboxes (as well as paid plans of course):

It doesn't matter that much. Most of emails conversations aren't
encrypted anyway. If you want an encrypted inbox, just retrieve mails
from the (webmail provider's) server and encrypt it at home. Use a mail client or browser plugin for PGP.

For really private stuff use p2p FTN Netmail over Tor Onion Service ;).

I have a slightly different take on it.

1.) Yes, encrypted email providers are a misnomer. I can't tell you how many people proudly boast that they have a protonmail account so their mail is encrypted.... Only to discover it isn't, because when they send messages outside the network it's in clear text, unless your keys have been added to each other's keyrings.

https://pgp.mit.edu is traditionally where I keep my keys available, and it looks like sks-keyservers.net has been deprecated. I also take advantage of
the proofs available via https://keybase.io

I use PGP keys all the time, but not always. I typically sign with my keys so that the authenticity can be relatively assured, but for realy encrypted communications....

2.) I recommend Matrix - you can run your own Synapse matrix server if you like, it's pretty straight-forward, and a couple of good clients for both desktop and Android are SchildeChat and Element.

XMPP is good too if you're using OMEMO, on Android, Conversations or Conv6sations are good clients, and you have a lot of choices for desktop clients. I personally prefer Gajim.

I really don't care much for Signal, it leaks too much metadata, such as your DID (always) and it also shows when the remote party has displayed the
message on their device. Plus, it's not distributed - it's set up as a silo, although there's no reason why that really has to be, other than the forked project became unmaintained when Moxie expressed his disdain for others repurposing his clients to use with other forks of Signal.

I don't really think I would depend on PGP encrypted mail for secure communications, but it's fine for authenticating the sender. But if you want
to do so I would recommend installing and using Fair Email directly from the git repo here: https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail

The reason for that is because you'll always have the laterst version for
your Android, and it will automatically update from there. F-Droid would be a second choice, but updates lag and some feature sets aren't incorporated. Anything from the Google Playstore should be considered spyware - because it is.

For Desktop, Most of my customers use Thunderbird, as do I (conigured with OpenPGP), There are a couple of other good email clients, but Outlook isn't
one of them.

I also recommend that people run their own email servers - SMTP/IMAP/OpenDKIM/SpamAssasin/etc. The combo I like is Postfix with Dovecot.
I do realize, however, that email is a complete mess to set up correctly out
of the box nowadays, so you should have someone who is good at it do the install :) With DKIM, DMARC, SPF blah blah blah... Yah, nightmare, but once
you set it up it's a dream to host your own domain's email services.

I don't think that using TOR lends itself to a respectible business
impression, so I would definitely advise against it in the commonplace
business world of communications - other than that of course... it freakin' rocks!

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tallship wrote (2021-05-31):

On 20 May 2021, Oli said the following...

Here are a few supposed private/encrypted email providers that
offer f mailboxes (as well as paid plans of course):

It doesn't matter that much. Most of emails conversations aren't
encrypted anyway. If you want an encrypted inbox, just retrieve
mails from the (webmail provider's) server and encrypt it at home.
Use a mail client or browser plugin for PGP.

I have a slightly different take on it.

[...]

2.) I recommend Matrix - you can run your own Synapse matrix server if you like, it's pretty straight-forward, and a couple of good clients for both desktop and Android are SchildeChat and Element.

None of my friends use Matrix.

XMPP is good too if you're using OMEMO, on Android, Conversations or Conv6sations are good clients, and you have a lot of choices for desktop clients. I personally prefer Gajim.

Even fewer people use XMPP.

I really don't care much for Signal, it leaks too much metadata, such as your DID (always) and it also shows when the remote party has displayed
the message on their device.

What is DID?

Signal shows when a message has been received. It also tells you when a contact in your phone book joins Signal. It's very convenient, but it would be better if also could be disabled (maybe it's possible).

Plus, it's not distributed - it's set up as
a silo, although there's no reason why that really has to be, other than the forked project became unmaintained when Moxie expressed his disdain
for others repurposing his clients to use with other forks of Signal.

Federation also leaks metadata to third parties, which is not of any convenience for the user and not transparent.

I also recommend that people run their own email servers - SMTP/IMAP/OpenDKIM/SpamAssasin/etc. The combo I like is Postfix with Dovecot. I do realize, however, that email is a complete mess to set up correctly out of the box nowadays, so you should have someone who is good at it do the install :) With DKIM, DMARC, SPF blah blah blah... Yah, nightmare, but once you set it up it's a dream to host your own domain's email services.

Maybe in 30 years, when nobody uses Email anymore we can run retro Email without the bullshit of big webmail providers. They basically killed the selfhosted mail server.

I don't think that using TOR lends itself to a respectible business impression, so I would definitely advise against it in the commonplace business world of communications - other than that of course... it
freakin' rocks!

that's why I wrote:

For really private stuff use p2p FTN Netmail over Tor Onion Service

^^^^^^^^^^^

;).

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Telehash was a nice project for a p2p messaging network by the guy who invented jabber (and others). Unfortunately it seems to be dead (domain grabbed, no new commits on github).

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Hello tallship;

tallship wrote to Oli <=-

1.) Yes, encrypted email providers are a misnomer. I can't tell you how many people proudly boast that they have a protonmail account so their mail is encrypted.... Only to discover it isn't, because when they send messages outside the network it's in clear text, unless your keys have been added to each other's keyrings.

This also depends on the service(s) offered at BOTH ends. Email typically between my email server and gmail often are encrypted by default using smtpS instead of standard unencrypted smtp. Of course, as I said, both sides must make allocations to send and receive using tls.

https://pgp.mit.edu is traditionally where I keep my keys available,
and it looks like sks-keyservers.net has been deprecated. I also take advantage of the proofs available via https://keybase.io

I use PGP keys all the time, but not always. I typically sign with my
keys so that the authenticity can be relatively assured, but for realy encrypted communications....

I too store my key on pgp.mit.edu. Have for years.

XMPP is good too if you're using OMEMO, on Android, Conversations or Conv6sations are good clients, and you have a lot of choices for
desktop clients. I personally prefer Gajim.

Have you tried xabber for droid? For desktop pidgin seems to be multi-OS compatible.

Anything from the Google Playstore should be considered
spyware - because it is.

Amen!

For Desktop, Most of my customers use Thunderbird, as do I (conigured
with OpenPGP), There are a couple of other good email clients, but
Outlook isn't one of them.

Unfortunately, in many companies, they've literally "bought" into the whole Micro$oft bill of no-goods. Exchange server, outlook, etc. I'm a bit of a
fan of Evolution written by Novell Netware. It gives the user much of the features that Outlook delivers to the corporate user without the need to
make any such purchase that M$ Office requires. There's a windows port for
the desktop, and its in most linux distro repositories.

I also recommend that people run their own email servers - SMTP/IMAP/OpenDKIM/SpamAssasin/etc. The combo I like is Postfix with Dovecot. I do realize, however, that email is a complete mess to set up correctly out of the box nowadays, so you should have someone who is
good at it do the install :) With DKIM, DMARC, SPF blah blah blah...
Yah, nightmare, but once you set it up it's a dream to host your own domain's email services.

+1! That's what I use as well. In fact, email coming into my SBBS for anyone -must- go through my postfix server, pass RBL lookups, be scanned by SA and ClamAV (via ClamSMTP), etc etc before getting passed to the BBS on a non standard port. For outbound from the BBS, it follows a similar reverse path where mails to the outside world still get scanned in case a user sends a
file with a virus included. I love how flexible postfix is, and in fact...
if you've ever read an exchange server administration book (and one would
have to be quite constipated!) it even strongly suggests to filter your
mails through postfix with numerous filters installed PRIOR to passing them into exchange.

I do the same with any smtp based mails that get passed onto amateur radio using my axMail-FAX system for packet which makes it a lot more superior
than any of the other systems used on amateur RF.

I don't think that using TOR lends itself to a respectible business impression, so I would definitely advise against it in the commonplace business world of communications - other than that of course... it freakin' rocks!

As an outsider dealing with any company, if they lived on TOR I'd walk right
on by. It just has way too many negatives associated with it reputation wise. I'd wonder if their online chat support is hosted by chatterbate <G>

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Hi tallship,

On 31 May 2021, tallship said the following...

I also recommend that people run their own email servers - SMTP/IMAP/OpenDKIM/SpamAssasin/etc. The combo I like is Postfix with Dovecot. I do realize, however, that email is a complete mess to set up

Agreed. Mail, these days, can be outright bloody. I've seen a couple of 'okay' box solutions for this lately, including:

* https://mailinabox.email - Mail-in-a-Box

I've also come across iRedMail which scares me a bit for personal reasons - I wonder if anyone else has messed with this?!

2.) I recommend Matrix - you can run your own Synapse matrix server if
you like, it's pretty straight-forward, and a couple of good clients for both desktop and Android are SchildeChat and Element.

I've seen people advertising Matrix on BBSes. Curious if it is the same [apache] matrix and how it is being used. A bit of a context-switch here, but interested in the project, as I've never used it.

lightman


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Hello Lightman!

** On Tuesday 01.06.21 - 15:01, Lightman wrote to tallship:

2.) I recommend Matrix - you can run your own Synapse
matrix server if you like, it's pretty straight-forward,
and a couple of good clients for both desktop and Android
are SchildeChat and Element.

I've seen people advertising Matrix on BBSes. Curious if it
is the same [apache] matrix and how it is being used. A bit
of a context-switch here, but interested in the project, as
I've never used it.

Matrix is a resource hog. It only supports 64bit systems. I'm
on it as oggyman@matrix.org Just sitting idle, the prog
doesn't sit still; in about 15 minutes it will have eating up
16MB of data.


--- OpenXP 5.0.50
* Origin: Key ID = 0x5789589B (21:4/106.21)

Ogg wrote (2021-06-01):

Matrix is a resource hog. It only supports 64bit systems. I'm
on it as oggyman@matrix.org Just sitting idle, the prog
doesn't sit still; in about 15 minutes it will have eating up
16MB of data.

Nice, that is around 128 kbps. You could listen to a good quality audio stream at that rate.

---
* Origin: . (21:3/102)

Hello Oli!

** On Wednesday 02.06.21 - 07:05, Oli wrote to Ogg:

doesn't sit still; in about 15 minutes it will have eating up
16MB of data.

Nice, that is around 128 kbps. You could listen to a good quality audio stream at that rate.

But with a 5GB/mo data limit on my mobile data plan before
getting throttled down, that won't last too long.


--- OpenXP 5.0.50
* Origin: Key ID = 0x5789589B (21:4/106.21)

tallship wrote to Oli <=-

I also recommend that people run their own email servers - SMTP/IMAP/OpenDKIM/SpamAssasin/etc. The combo I like is Postfix with Dovecot. I do realize, however, that email is a complete mess to set up correctly out of the box nowadays, so you should have someone who is
good at it do the install :) With DKIM, DMARC, SPF blah blah blah...
Yah, nightmare, but once you set it up it's a dream to host your own domain's email services.

I looked into running my own services recently. I ran my own services from 1999 through 2006 or so, then went to a webhost/email combination. Been thinking about moving it in-house for a couple of reasons.

If only a VPS had an option to encrypt the filesystem of a remote system,
that would rock.



... Two protons expelled at each coupling site creates the mode of force
--- MultiMail/DOS v0.52
* Origin: realitycheckBBS.org -- information is power. (21:4/122)

On 01 Jun 2021, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...

I looked into running my own services recently. I ran my own services
from 1999 through 2006 or so, then went to a webhost/email combination. Been thinking about moving it in-house for a couple of reasons.

If only a VPS had an option to encrypt the filesystem of a remote
system, that would rock.

https://thehelm.com/

I've been eyeing these guys up, but I need someone smarter than me to tell me all about it & whether/how it works.

The idea behind this service is you have the box in your house which acts as the email server. Since residential IPs often are blocked for email services this box makes a VPN connection to their servers which do all the email connections on their side.

They say they can't see any of your email traffic passing through this VPN connection, which I guess could be the case for any TLS encrypted traffic.

The local hard drive is encrypted so if someone steals the device they can't access the data on it. You can use your own domain names which is a plus,
but there is no webmail which is kind of a deal-breaker for me.

There's also a US$99 /year subscription cost.


Jay

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: Northern Realms (21:3/110)

Hello Warpslide!

** On Wednesday 02.06.21 - 17:57, Warpslide wrote to poindexter FORTRAN:

https://thehelm.com/

I've been eyeing these guys up, but I need someone smarter than me to tell me all about it & whether/how it works.

There's also a US$99 /year subscription cost.

Is the subscription cost worth it?

So.. you buy this box for 256GB/512GB/1TB for $199 (it looks
like it's the same price for any capacity) Is it a spinning
HDD, or SDD?

Do they provision a way to do a backup/restore of what's on the
box?

I dunno, but it seems that any privacy that you might like to
assume that you gain from their server, would be neutered
unless everyone you are interested in maintaining privacy with
has the same Helm service.


--- OpenXP 5.0.50
* Origin: Key ID = 0x5789589B (21:4/106.21)

On 02 Jun 2021, Ogg said the following...

So.. you buy this box for 256GB/512GB/1TB for $199 (it looks
like it's the same price for any capacity) Is it a spinning
HDD, or SDD?

On my browser the prices are:

256GB: $199
512GB: $249
1TB: $349

On the specs page it notes: NVMe SSD storage

Do they provision a way to do a backup/restore of what's on the
box?

Yes, part of the yearly subscription includes 128GB offsite encrypted backups.

Encrypted to the same key as your own helm server, so they (Helm) cannot
access the contents.

I dunno, but it seems that any privacy that you might like to
assume that you gain from their server, would be neutered
unless everyone you are interested in maintaining privacy with
has the same Helm service.

No different than emailing anyone else outside of your own domain. This solution seems to be marketed with the scare tactic that large email
providers are reading your messages and targeting you with ads.

Is the subscription cost worth it?

I guess that depends on what your priorities are. If you want custom
domain email with Google it's a minimum if US$6 /mo per user. With this service you can have as many users & domains as you like. Of course you
need to have your server online. If your power goes out or your internet
goes down, you can't receive/check email. (They say that the sending server will try again later, so you "shouldn't" loose messages).


Jay

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: Northern Realms (21:3/110)

Hello Warpslide.

02 Jun 21 17:57, you wrote to poindexter FORTRAN:

On 01 Jun 2021, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...

I looked into running my own services recently. I ran my own
services from 1999 through 2006 or so, then went to a
webhost/email combination. Been thinking about moving it in-house
for a couple of reasons.

If only a VPS had an option to encrypt the filesystem of a remote
system, that would rock.

https://thehelm.com/

I've been eyeing these guys up, but I need someone smarter than me to
tell me all about it & whether/how it works.

The idea behind this service is you have the box in your house which
acts as the email server. Since residential IPs often are blocked for email services this box makes a VPN connection to their servers which
do all the email connections on their side.

They say they can't see any of your email traffic passing through this
VPN connection, which I guess could be the case for any TLS encrypted traffic.

The local hard drive is encrypted so if someone steals the device they can't access the data on it. You can use your own domain names which
is a plus, but there is no webmail which is kind of a deal-breaker for
me.

There's also a US$99 /year subscription cost.

it looks like an overpriced regular NAS. i don't really see the difference. anyway, if you want security, build your own *nix/bsd machine with these capabilities.

regards,
--
Daniel

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--- GoldED+/EMX 1.1.4.7
* Origin: Roon's BBS - Budapest, HUNGARY (21:4/148)

Am 03.06.21 schrieb Daniel Path@21:4/148 in FSX_CRY:

Hallo Daniel,

it looks like an overpriced regular NAS. i don't really see the
difference. anyway, if you want security, build your own *nix/bsd
machine with these capabilities.

While you are absolutely right in the first place, if you want this
machine to be in your house and you're using a regular internet
connection, you won't be able to send out many mails as most mail servers won't accept mails coming from "home user" IP addresses because of all the windows users with malware on their system.

So you would either need a "corporate" IP address, a VPN to a server somewhere else or something like that.

I'm using a VPS in the first place as my mail server, and the cost for
this server is also ~ 100 EUR per year.

Regards,
Anna

--- OpenXP 5.0.50
* Origin: Imzadi Box Point (21:3/127.1)

Hello Warpslide!

** On Wednesday 02.06.21 - 20:14, Warpslide wrote to Ogg:

So.. you buy this box for 256GB/512GB/1TB for $199 (it looks
like it's the same price for any capacity) Is it a spinning
HDD, or SDD?

On my browser the prices are:

256GB: $199
512GB: $249
1TB: $349

I did not get those options. Maybe PrivacyBadger or Adblocker
stopped something from happening.

On the specs page it notes: NVMe SSD storage

That's a good design choice.

I dunno, but it seems that any privacy that you might
like to assume that you gain from their server, would be
neutered unless everyone you are interested in
maintaining privacy with has the same Helm service.

No different than emailing anyone else outside of your own
domain. This solution seems to be marketed with the scare
tactic that large email providers are reading your messages
and targeting you with ads.

That's my point. What's the point of having a one-sided
"private" Helm server, when the moment you email anyone else,
the contents are nolonger private?

It would seem that the Helm solution would be best if all your
contacts are using Helm too.

Maybe you could convince family and some friends to use an
account that you set up on your Helm server, but not so much if
you have dealings with other businesses, doctors, banks, etc.


--- OpenXP 5.0.50
* Origin: Key ID = 0x5789589B (21:4/106.21)

Warpslide wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

https://thehelm.com/

I've been eyeing these guys up, but I need someone smarter than me to
tell me all about it & whether/how it works.

The idea behind this service is you have the box in your house which
acts as the email server. Since residential IPs often are blocked for email services this box makes a VPN connection to their servers which
do all the email connections on their side.

Interesting. Yeah, port blocking is a pain.


... Overtly resist change
--- MultiMail/DOS v0.52
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acn wrote to Daniel Path <=-

While you are absolutely right in the first place, if you want this machine to be in your house and you're using a regular internet connection, you won't be able to send out many mails as most mail
servers won't accept mails coming from "home user" IP addresses because
of all the windows users with malware on their system.

I wonder if setting DKIM and SPF on a home IP would mitigate that or if they just block home IP networks.

So you would either need a "corporate" IP address, a VPN to a server somewhere else or something like that.

I used a paid mail redirection service for several years with my BBS - you configure them as primary MX for your domain and they transfer mail to you over an alternate port. It worked well and was $30/year - plus they provided DNS services.

I'm using a VPS in the first place as my mail server, and the cost for this server is also ~ 100 EUR per year.

Those cheap specials on lowendbox.com would work fine for mail services or anything else not interactive; I had one with 40 gb of disk, 512 MB of RAM
and one core for 9$USD/year. I shouldn't have let it lapse at that price.


... Overtly resist change
--- MultiMail/DOS v0.52
* Origin: realitycheckBBS.org -- information is power. (21:4/122)

Ogg wrote (2021-06-02):

Hello Oli!

** On Wednesday 02.06.21 - 07:05, Oli wrote to Ogg:

doesn't sit still; in about 15 minutes it will have eating up
16MB of data.

Nice, that is around 128 kbps. You could listen to a good quality
audio stream at that rate.

But with a 5GB/mo data limit on my mobile data plan before
getting throttled down, that won't last too long.

4 days and then it would fill your throttled connection. Are you're sure it consumes that much bandwidth? How many channels do you read? Are there images posted?

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* Origin: . (21:3/102)

Am 03.06.21 schrieb poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 in FSX_CRY:

Hallo poindexter,

While you are absolutely right in the first place, if you want this
machine to be in your house and you're using a regular internet
connection, you won't be able to send out many mails as most mail
servers won't accept mails coming from "home user" IP addresses because ac>> of all the windows users with malware on their system.

I wonder if setting DKIM and SPF on a home IP would mitigate that or if they just block home IP networks.

At least my server just blocks those networks because of the Spamhaus ZEN blacklist (https://www.spamhaus.org/zen/) which is a meta-blacklist that includes their PBL blacklist (https://www.spamhaus.org/pbl/).
"The Spamhaus PBL is a DNSBL database of end-user IP address ranges which should not be delivering unauthenticated SMTP email to any Internet mail server except those provided for specifically by an ISP for that
customer's use."

And afaik the ZEN blacklist is in widespread use.

I used a paid mail redirection service for several years with my BBS - you configure them as primary MX for your domain and they transfer mail to you over an alternate port. It worked well and was $30/year - plus they provided DNS services.

That's a fine alternative :)

Those cheap specials on lowendbox.com would work fine for mail services or anything else not interactive; I had one with 40 gb of disk, 512 MB of RAM and one core for 9$USD/year. I shouldn't have let it lapse at that price.

I'm using a VPS from netcup.de and there you can get eg. a VPS with 2
vCores, 8GB RAM, 160GB SSD and 80TB of traffic for 6 EUR/month.
(wow, I just saw the new offers there, really nice now :))
And the machines don't feel "low-end". I'm just using them for my personal website, mail server etc., so there is not that much traffic going on :)

Regards,
Anna

--- OpenXP 5.0.50
* Origin: Imzadi Box Point (21:3/127.1)

On 06/06/2021 12:59 pm acn said...

While you are absolutely right in the first place, if you want this ac>> machine to be in your house and you're using a regular internet ac>> connection, you won't be able to send out many mails as most mail ac>> servers won't accept mails coming from "home user" IP addresses because ac>> of all the windows users with malware on their system.

I`d recommend the tunnel to VPS approach for running services locally (at home) but exposing them to the world via an encrypted tunnel to a cheap VPS. My BBS works this way - the DNS entry resolves to a DO droplet but the actual physical location is a raspberry pi behind a book shelf in my house.

Mail-in-box is also a good all in one mail server. Although intended to run on a VPS the same approach tunneling approach works if you want to self-host but still expose services via a VPS point of presence instead of your `home user` IP.

--- ENiGMA 1/2 v0.0.12-beta (linux; arm; 14.17.0)
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Hello Anna;

acn wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

At least my server just blocks those networks because of the Spamhaus
ZEN blacklist (https://www.spamhaus.org/zen/) which is a meta-blacklist that includes their PBL blacklist (https://www.spamhaus.org/pbl/).
"The Spamhaus PBL is a DNSBL database of end-user IP address ranges
which should not be delivering unauthenticated SMTP email to any
Internet mail server except those provided for specifically by an ISP
for that customer's use."

And afaik the ZEN blacklist is in widespread use.

I use a volume of them concurrently including barracuda which has a free RBL service. I wrote a tool that allows one to search an IP to see if they're
a listed spammer. You may find it at: https://www.n1uro.com/cgi-bin/spamcop

... Que sera, Skipper: What will be, knows Gilligan.
--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
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pokeswithastick wrote to acn <=-

I`d recommend the tunnel to VPS approach for running services locally
(at home) but exposing them to the world via an encrypted tunnel to a cheap VPS. My BBS works this way - the DNS entry resolves to a DO
droplet but the actual physical location is a raspberry pi behind a
book shelf in my house.

Sounds like a good plan. What are you using to forward traffic from DO to
your home IP?




... Always the first steps
--- MultiMail/DOS v0.52
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poindexter wrote (2021-06-07):

pokeswithastick wrote to acn <=-

I`d recommend the tunnel to VPS approach for running services
locally (at home) but exposing them to the world via an encrypted
tunnel to a cheap VPS. My BBS works this way - the DNS entry
resolves to a DO droplet but the actual physical location is a
raspberry pi behind a book shelf in my house.

Sounds like a good plan. What are you using to forward traffic from DO to your home IP?

Wireguard

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On 07/06/2021 12:41 am poindexter FORTRAN said...

Sounds like a good plan. What are you using to forward traffic from DO to
your home IP?

I have a Ubiquiti EdgeRouter building an GRE over IPSEC tunnel to the DO droplet. GRE so that it is policy based and I can do some routing over it.

Telnet & SSH are then NAT`ed back over the tunnel to the Pi and for HTTPS I am running Caddy on the DO droplet so it can handle Lets Encrypt. It`s basically then just a reverse proxy back over the tunnel.

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Hello Oli!

** On Thursday 03.06.21 - 07:07, Oli wrote to Ogg:

But with a 5GB/mo data limit on my mobile data plan before
getting throttled down, that won't last too long.

4 days and then it would fill your throttled connection.
Are you're sure it consumes that much bandwidth? How many
channels do you read? Are there images posted?

I've disabled all Win7 update checks and any other "talk to
mother ship" things. The network activity is pretty low when
no apps are running. But when I fire up Element/Matrix, there
is a fairly steady (albiet intermittent) and large transfer of
data going on.

There are a number of channels that I've subscribed to, but
there are only a handful of messages within an hour at the
most. Sometimes people post images, but they seem to be scaled
down. After an image is posted, and there is no one posting,
the network activity keeps moving "something".


--- OpenXP 5.0.50
* Origin: Key ID = 0x5789589B (21:4/106.21)

I've seen people advertising Matrix on BBSes. Curious if it is the same [apache] matrix and how it is being used. A bit of a context-switch
here, but interested in the project, as I've never used it.

Why don't you come and have a look at our matrix community. Here's a join link; https://matrix.to/#/#tqwnet:matrix.erb.pw

Matrix is kinda like the best bits of IRC and the best bits of discord, with none of the bad bits (I could be way off) plus it's decentralised, end to end encrypted, and you can code your own apps to use within it. I have made a qUAntUm RaDio app and a bbs announcer app for our matrix community.

I would recommend getting Element Desktop which is the desktop client for the matrix server, once you sign up for an account and have used it in the browser.

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|07── |08[|10ark|08] |1510:104/2 |07─┘

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--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/13 (Linux/64)
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On 01-19-22 23:26, MeaTLoTioN wrote to Lightman <=-

I've seen people advertising Matrix on BBSes. Curious if it is the same [apache] matrix and how it is being used. A bit of a context-switch
here, but interested in the project, as I've never used it.

Why don't you come and have a look at our matrix community. Here's a
join link; https://matrix.to/#/#tqwnet:matrix.erb.pw

Sounds like something to do. And good day today. I still have to try and reconnect to tqwnet. Never got to the bottom of why it stopped working.

Update...

Anyway, I did get Matrix setup, have Element running. Feel free to say hi. :)


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=== MultiMail/Win v0.52
--- SBBSecho 3.10-Linux
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Why don't you come and have a look at our matrix community. Here's a
join link; https://matrix.to/#/#tqwnet:matrix.erb.pw

Matrix is kinda like the best bits of IRC and the best bits of
discord, with none of the bad bits (I could be way off) plus it's decentralised, end to end encrypted, and you can code your own apps to
use within it. I have made a qUAntUm RaDio app and a bbs announcer app
for our matrix community.

I'm loving the tqw/Matrix community. Thanks for running this, ML!


|04a|12LPHA
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--- Talisman v0.35-dev (Linux/x86_64)
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On 21 Jan 2022, aLPHA said the following...

Why don't you come and have a look at our matrix community. Here's a join link; https://matrix.to/#/#tqwnet:matrix.erb.pw

Matrix is kinda like the best bits of IRC and the best bits of
discord, with none of the bad bits (I could be way off) plus it's decentralised, end to end encrypted, and you can code your own apps to use within it. I have made a qUAntUm RaDio app and a bbs announcer app for our matrix community.

I'm loving the tqw/Matrix community. Thanks for running this, ML!

Me too, I love it. Thanks to everyone who is part of it, each one of them makes it great!

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|07── |08[|10eml|08] |15ml@erb.pw |07── |08[|10web|08] |15www.erb.pw |07───┐ |07── |08[|09fsx|08] |1521:1/158 |07── |08[|11tqw|08] |151337:1/101 |07┬──┘ |07── |08[|12rtn|08] |1580:774/81 |07─┬ |08[|14fdn|08] |152:250/5 |07───┘
|07── |08[|10ark|08] |1510:104/2 |07─┘

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--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/13 (Linux/64)
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On 01-21-22 04:22, aLPHA wrote to MeaTLoTioN <=-

I'm loving the tqw/Matrix community. Thanks for running this, ML!

I joined as well. It gave me the push to finally setup Matrix. :)


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=== MultiMail/Win v0.52
--- SBBSecho 3.10-Linux
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Why don't you come and have a look at our matrix community. Here's a
join link; https://matrix.to/#/#tqwnet:matrix.erb.pw

I can't seem to join with this link, new to matrix, can I be invited

@renagademaster:matrix.org

Thanks!

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Linux/64)
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Renagademaster wrote to MeaTLoTioN <=-

Why don't you come and have a look at our matrix community. Here's a
join link; https://matrix.to/#/#tqwnet:matrix.erb.pw

I wasn't able to join using this link, would love to take a look
around and use Matrix more -- @poindexter:matrix.org

Thanks!



... Reward for a job well done: More work
--- MultiMail/DOS v0.52
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On 20 May 2022, Renagademaster said the following...

Why don't you come and have a look at our matrix community. Here's a join link; https://matrix.to/#/#tqwnet:matrix.erb.pw

I can't seem to join with this link, new to matrix, can I be invited

@renagademaster:matrix.org

I just invited you, hopefully you'll get the invite and come jump on in =)

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|07── |08[|10eml|08] |15ml@erb.pw |07── |08[|10web|08] |15www.erb.pw |07───┐ |07── |08[|09fsx|08] |1521:1/158 |07── |08[|11tqw|08] |151337:1/101 |07┬──┘ |07── |08[|12rtn|08] |1580:774/81 |07─┬ |08[|14fdn|08] |152:250/5 |07───┘
|07── |08[|10ark|08] |1510:104/2 |07─┘

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/13 (Linux/64)
* Origin: thE qUAntUm wOrmhOlE, rAmsgAtE, uK. bbs.erb.pw (21:1/158)

On 21 May 2022, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...

Renagademaster wrote to MeaTLoTioN <=-

Why don't you come and have a look at our matrix community. Here's a join link; https://matrix.to/#/#tqwnet:matrix.erb.pw

I wasn't able to join using this link, would love to take a look
around and use Matrix more -- @poindexter:matrix.org

I just invited you, hopefully you'll get the invite and can jump on in =)

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|11Ch|03rist|11ia|15n |11a|03ka |11Me|03aTLoT|11io|15N

|07── |08[|10eml|08] |15ml@erb.pw |07── |08[|10web|08] |15www.erb.pw |07───┐ |07── |08[|09fsx|08] |1521:1/158 |07── |08[|11tqw|08] |151337:1/101 |07┬──┘ |07── |08[|12rtn|08] |1580:774/81 |07─┬ |08[|14fdn|08] |152:250/5 |07───┘
|07── |08[|10ark|08] |1510:104/2 |07─┘

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/13 (Linux/64)
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What is this Matrix you speak of?

join link; https://matrix.to/#/#tqwnet:matrix.erb.pw

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I just invited you, hopefully you'll get the invite and come jump on in
=)

I did get an invite thanks! Give me time to learn the UI!

Thx

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MeaTLoTioN wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

I just invited you, hopefully you'll get the invite and can jump on in
=)

I got it - thanks! It's hard to try out a new social network when you
don't have any connections on it. :)



... See you on the other side.
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