• Re: Old computer

    From esc@21:4/173 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Jul 19 21:08:46 2022
    I'll look into this. I hate VNC, and would love to standardize on one client for Windows and Linux hosts.

    Here, here!

    Thanks for the pointer.

    Indeed, this is something I look forward to experimenting with as well. Thanks to OP.

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  • From vorlon@21:1/195.1 to Spectre on Wed Jul 20 11:11:04 2022
    Hi Spec,

    Some controller chips just don't like SSD's. I have a LSI
    [...]
    controller like mad. I've also seen some that will only address a certian max TB size of drive.

    Sizing makes sense, just like the old 500Mb bios limit..

    Yep. 2Tb drive's hadn't been invented yet when that controller was made.
    The max was around the 800Mb/1Tb size back then.

    I'm somewhat surprised at the chipsets not liking them though. Despite
    the mish mash of semi antique equipment I have, I've never come across
    the problem before.

    I have, and with the amount of hardware that's gone past my hands I'm not supprised at all.

    It's just the like transition from IDE to Sata.. At first it was like a translation thing, and then sata bacame solid and and standard.




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    Stephen


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  • From claw@21:1/210 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Jul 20 07:59:07 2022
    On 19 Jul 2022, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...
    I'll look into this. I hate VNC, and would love to standardize on one client for Windows and Linux hosts.

    Thanks for the pointer.

    I know network chuck just did a video on something like this.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsvS2M5knOw&list=LL&index=29

    Might be worht checking out.

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  • From claw@21:1/210 to ogg on Wed Jul 20 07:59:57 2022
    On 19 Jul 2022, ogg said the following...
    I've run xrdp on both my raspberry pi and a laptop running Ubuntu. I've connected to both via rdp on my win10 desktop and win11 laptop. The
    only issue I've run into on Ubuntu is I cannot be logged in when trying
    to connect from somewhere else. If I log out and keep Ubuntu running I can get in fine. It's not an issue with my raspberry. I've read it's an Ubuntu issue.

    I'm lazy so I use AnyDesk

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to claw on Wed Jul 20 07:08:00 2022
    claw wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I know network chuck just did a video on something like this.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsvS2M5knOw&list=LL&index=29

    Can't trust him. He slurps his coffee.


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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Jul 20 11:41:00 2022
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to claw <=-

    I know network chuck just did a video on something like this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsvS2M5knOw&list=LL&index=29

    Can't trust him. He slurps his coffee.

    Agreed. I found his mannerisms quite annoying generally. It was like
    he was trying too hard to be cute/funny.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Gamgee on Thu Jul 21 07:10:00 2022
    Gamgee wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to claw <=-

    I know network chuck just did a video on something like this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsvS2M5knOw&list=LL&index=29

    Can't trust him. He slurps his coffee.

    Agreed. I found his mannerisms quite annoying generally. It was like
    he was trying too hard to be cute/funny.

    I do appreciate his enthusiasm, he combines entertainment with a love of
    what he does, and I've gotten some inspiration for my own homelab along the way.


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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Jul 21 18:29:00 2022
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Gamgee <=-

    I know network chuck just did a video on something like this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsvS2M5knOw&list=LL&index=29

    Can't trust him. He slurps his coffee.

    Agreed. I found his mannerisms quite annoying generally. It was like
    he was trying too hard to be cute/funny.

    I do appreciate his enthusiasm, he combines entertainment with a
    love of what he does, and I've gotten some inspiration for my own
    homelab along the way.

    Haha, he does indeed have plenty of enthusiasm! I may give him a
    re-visit. :-)



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  • From TALIADON@21:3/138 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Jul 23 16:14:14 2022
    Maybe not out of the box, but there are some interesting experiments. I had a rooted android phone, and was able to run a full distro in a chroot'ed jail, using Android's Linux kernel.

    Ran VNC server in the Linux instance, and was able to run a full windows environment locally on the phone using an Android VNC client, or run it from my desktop. It was an interesting experiment in taking your environment with you.

    As I say, I don't really know a thing about Android, but it certainly appears to have a few more tricks than the phone OS I took it for.

    I don't know if there's an RDP protocol server for Linux (I think there is), but that would be ideal - use any standard Windows environment to access a desktop environment that fits in your pocket...

    I could certainly find a use for that!

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  • From TALIADON@21:3/138 to tenser on Sat Jul 23 16:30:47 2022
    Oh no, it's not. But neither is the Mac (at least not without
    installing an X11 server, like XQuartz). However, the Android
    kernel is Linux, and the user experience and interface are
    quite nice. Similarly with ChromeOS: Linux kernel, with a very
    different userspace. The critical observation here is that
    many use-cases are perfectly adequately served by a web browser.

    Agreed: neither are strictly X11 out of the box, but I was alluding more to the practicality/functionality of running each platform within their respective X11 environments.

    From other comments recently posted on the subject, the Android platform appears to offer a lot more functionality than I gave it credit for.

    It's curious how the world keeps reinventing the 3270 and VTAM.

    LOL, you've noticed that too? Truth be told, whatever the idea, Big Blue usually has an earlier manifestation logged in the annals of history.

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  • From TALIADON@21:3/138 to boraxman on Sat Jul 23 16:36:52 2022
    Not by default, but you can get X for Android.

    From the other comments posted here, this certainly appears to be the case. What's more, it's far more viable than I'd previously thought.

    I quite like the idea of having Linux in my pocket, so I may even splash out on an Android phone and have a play :)

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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110.2 to TALIADON on Sat Jul 23 11:51:10 2022
    *** Quoting TALIADON from a message to boraxman ***

    I quite like the idea of having Linux in my pocket, so I may even
    splash out on an Android phone and have a play :)

    I remember a couple of Linus Tech Tips/ShortCircuit videos from awhile ago that showed off some phones that ran Linux out of the box:

    Librem 5 Smartphone:
    https://youtu.be/BH8DRyKUZDg

    Pine64 Pinephone:
    https://youtu.be/fCKMxzz9cjs


    It looks like the user expierence wasn't... great, but perhaps with some better hardware it might actually be usable... one day.


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  • From claw@21:1/210 to TALIADON on Sat Jul 23 12:49:10 2022
    On 23 Jul 2022, TALIADON said the following...
    From the other comments posted here, this certainly appears to be the case. What's more, it's far more viable than I'd previously thought.

    I quite like the idea of having Linux in my pocket, so I may even splash out on an Android phone and have a play :)


    I love android, however if your main goal is to have Linux in the phone just put a bootloader in it and install ARM based Linux on it. If you actually still need it as a phone there are plenty to choose from if you don't need it to be a phone there are tons of distros.

    If you don't already have a phone for this and are shopping buy one that is made for and comes with Linux on it.

    https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/
    or
    https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/
    or maybe
    https://www.fxtec.com/pro1x
    then there is
    https://volla.online/en/
    not to forget
    https://www.fairphone.com/en/

    The cool thing is its a phone that works like a computer. You can install which ever OS you want on these.

    Here are some phone based distros.

    postmarketOS (Based on Alpine Linux)
    UBports (Ubuntu Touch)
    Mobian (Debian for mobiles)
    Tizen (supported by The Linux Foundation)
    KaiOS (based on Firefox OS)
    Maemo (Debian)
    ExpidusOS (Void Linux)
    PureOSPlasma
    MobileNemo
    MobileNixOS

    I'm sure there are tons more. It's been a while since I looked on to replacing boot loaders and the like on these. If you want an Android phone and the easy freedom to do what you want get a OnePlus phone. They let you root your phone. Its a check box in the settings. they see it as well you own your phone and as long as you know you won't get support once you mess it up. :D

    Hope this helps someone.

    Enjoy

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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to claw on Sun Jul 24 12:34:10 2022

    I love android, however if your main goal is to have Linux in the phone just put a bootloader in it and install ARM based Linux on it. If you actually still need it as a phone there are plenty to choose from if you don't need it to be a phone there are tons of distros.

    If you don't already have a phone for this and are shopping buy one that is made for and comes with Linux on it.

    https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/
    or
    https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/
    or maybe
    https://www.fxtec.com/pro1x
    then there is
    https://volla.online/en/
    not to forget
    https://www.fairphone.com/en/

    The cool thing is its a phone that works like a computer. You can
    install which ever OS you want on these.

    Here are some phone based distros.

    postmarketOS (Based on Alpine Linux)
    UBports (Ubuntu Touch)
    Mobian (Debian for mobiles)
    Tizen (supported by The Linux Foundation)
    KaiOS (based on Firefox OS)
    Maemo (Debian)
    ExpidusOS (Void Linux)
    PureOSPlasma
    MobileNemo
    MobileNixOS

    I'm sure there are tons more. It's been a while since I looked on to replacing boot loaders and the like on these. If you want an Android phone and the easy freedom to do what you want get a OnePlus phone.
    They let you root your phone. Its a check box in the settings. they
    see it as well you own your phone and as long as you know you won't get support once you mess it up. :D

    Hope this helps someone.

    Enjoy

    I tried to put LineageOS, but found it was more complicated, having to unlock the bootloader and such. I cannot recall whether it turned out not to be feasible for this phone or not, or whether I decided not to take the risk.

    In the end, I found that the OS preinstalled had a pretty good ultra-power saving mode that I wasn't sure the other OS's would be able to duplicate,and I realised that I just wanted a phone, not a computer. Running a full Linux desktop is cool and all, but what I NEED is phone and message functionality, and if that is compromised, what is the point? Long battery life and reliable telephony is critical, and all the other stuff, web browsing, GPG, SSH client, I could already do.

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  • From claw@21:1/210 to boraxman on Mon Jul 25 07:51:27 2022
    I tried to put LineageOS, but found it was more complicated, having to unlock the bootloader and such. I cannot recall whether it turned out
    not to be feasible for this phone or not, or whether I decided not to
    take the risk.

    In the end, I found that the OS preinstalled had a pretty good
    ultra-power saving mode that I wasn't sure the other OS's would be able
    to duplicate,and I realised that I just wanted a phone, not a computer. Running a full Linux desktop is cool and all, but what I NEED is phone
    and message functionality, and if that is compromised, what is the
    point? Long battery life and reliable telephony is critical, and all
    the other stuff, web browsing, GPG, SSH client, I could already do.

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    the Linux phones do look awesome. Dock for full desktop experience.

    But I do like my phone with android in it. doubt that will change anytime
    soon. Wouldn't mind a Linux for playing around with. Just not my main phone.

    We will see the world seems to be shifting away from corporate control.

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  • From TALIADON@21:3/138 to Warpslide on Tue Jul 26 11:25:55 2022
    I remember a couple of Linus Tech Tips/ShortCircuit videos from awhile
    ago that showed off some phones that ran Linux out of the box:

    Librem 5 Smartphone:
    https://youtu.be/BH8DRyKUZDg

    Pine64 Pinephone:
    https://youtu.be/fCKMxzz9cjs

    Wow, these look like ideal play thing. I wouldn't be looking to use it as a phone device per se, so one of these may well find its way onto my Santa list 2022 :)

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  • From TALIADON@21:3/138 to claw on Tue Jul 26 11:42:07 2022
    I love android, however if your main goal is to have Linux in the phone just put a bootloader in it and install ARM based Linux on it. If you actually still need it as a phone there are plenty to choose from if you don't need it to be a phone there are tons of distros.

    I'm happy with my iPhone for calls/texting, so it would really be an exercise in getting Linux into my pocket.

    If you don't already have a phone for this and are shopping buy one that is made for and comes with Linux on it.

    https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/
    or
    https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/
    or maybe
    https://www.fxtec.com/pro1x
    then there is
    https://volla.online/en/
    not to forget
    https://www.fairphone.com/en/

    Wow, I'm so far behind the scene I actually think I'm winning - never knew this was even a thing. I'll certainly take a look at each of these over the coming days.

    The cool thing is its a phone that works like a computer. You can
    install which ever OS you want on these.

    This is precisely what I'm looking for - I'm not overly familiar with Android, so I don't want to find myself in the position where I'm wrestling with a system I don't understand.

    Here are some phone based distros.

    postmarketOS (Based on Alpine Linux)
    UBports (Ubuntu Touch)
    Mobian (Debian for mobiles)
    Tizen (supported by The Linux Foundation)
    KaiOS (based on Firefox OS)
    Maemo (Debian)
    ExpidusOS (Void Linux)
    PureOSPlasma
    MobileNemo
    MobileNixOS

    I'm sure there are tons more. It's been a while since I looked on to replacing boot loaders and the like on these. If you want an Android phone and the easy freedom to do what you want get a OnePlus phone.
    They let you root your phone. Its a check box in the settings. they
    see it as well you own your phone and as long as you know you won't get support once you mess it up. :D

    Again, I'll take a look at each of these, but a Ubuntu based distro is likely to appeal more than those I'm less familiar with.

    Hope this helps someone.

    It most certainly did - very much appreciated :)

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  • From claw@21:1/210 to TALIADON on Tue Jul 26 19:36:36 2022
    On 26 Jul 2022, TALIADON said the following...
    This is precisely what I'm looking for - I'm not overly familiar with Android, so I don't want to find myself in the position where I'm wrestling with a system I don't understand.

    Well I have been an android guy for years rooted my fair share of phones and tablets. If there is anything you need let me know. I know some of those Linux phones are around $200 so if you need a cheep experiment it will do the job without disconnecting your current setup.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to TALIADON on Wed Jul 27 20:30:00 2022
    On 07-26-22 11:42, TALIADON wrote to claw <=-

    I'm happy with my iPhone for calls/texting, so it would really be an exercise in getting Linux into my pocket.

    I prefer iPhone for the daily driver, but Android is better for some things, especially in the ham radio world.


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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to boraxman on Wed Jul 27 21:23:29 2022
    Well, that is kind of my point. People who are used to Windows will see an alternative as "deficient", wheras people used to Linux will find Windows deficient. This shows that much of the "deficiencies" that are claimed are really a matter of the alternative not matching their habits.

    When I use Windows, I'm annoyed that I can't tab-complete to help me more quickly type out part of a file name in the command line.

    When I use Linux, I'm annoyed that I can't tab-complete to choose among a couple of different file names with similar starts.

    Perhaps I just need to be better about naming files to make sure my tab-complete needs line up with my OS.

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  • From Nightfox to Adept on Wed Jul 27 15:05:43 2022
    Re: Re: Old computer
    By: Adept to boraxman on Wed Jul 27 2022 09:23 pm

    When I use Windows, I'm annoyed that I can't tab-complete to help me more quickly type out part of a file name in the command line.

    The Windows command prompt has tab-complete for filenames...?

    Nightfox
  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Adept on Thu Jul 28 21:53:19 2022
    When I use Windows, I'm annoyed that I can't tab-complete to help me more quickly type out part of a file name in the command line.

    Doesn't Powershell do this? I'm pretty sure it does.

    When I use Linux, I'm annoyed that I can't tab-complete to choose among a couple of different file names with similar starts.


    ZSH can do this. ZSH can do a lot.

    Perhaps I just need to be better about naming files to make sure my tab-complete needs line up with my OS.


    Nah, use better software or a better shell. Your computer should work for you, not you adapt to work to its limitations.

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  • From Atreyu@21:1/176 to Adept on Thu Jul 28 15:21:16 2022
    On 27 Jul 22 21:23:29, Adept said the following to Boraxman:

    When I use Windows, I'm annoyed that I can't tab-complete to help me more quickly type out part of a file name in the command line.

    When I use Linux, I'm annoyed that I can't tab-complete to choose among a couple of different file names with similar starts.

    Windows and Linux doe this perfectly. Is your tab key working?

    Atreyu

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Nightfox on Fri Jul 29 18:05:30 2022
    When I use Windows, I'm annoyed that I can't tab-complete to help me quickly type out part of a file name in the command line.

    The Windows command prompt has tab-complete for filenames...?

    It's neat. And a neat solution that I'd probably more fully appreciate if I weren't also familiar with the Linux version.

    But you type part of the name, then tab through the options that start with that name.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to boraxman on Fri Jul 29 18:07:33 2022
    When I use Windows, I'm annoyed that I can't tab-complete to help me quickly type out part of a file name in the command line.

    Doesn't Powershell do this? I'm pretty sure it does.

    I imagine there are always ways. That I am almost certainly not interested in spending the effort to figure out.

    Perhaps I just need to be better about naming files to make sure my tab-complete needs line up with my OS.
    Nah, use better software or a better shell. Your computer should work
    for you, not you adapt to work to its limitations.

    I think I meant that mostly as a joke, as it's silly to name files based on tab-complete needs.

    But only _mostly_, because I'd definitely consider it, if I thought that I
    had a reasonable naming convention.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Atreyu on Fri Jul 29 18:10:06 2022
    When I use Windows, I'm annoyed that I can't tab-complete to help me mo quickly type out part of a file name in the command line.

    When I use Linux, I'm annoyed that I can't tab-complete to choose among couple of different file names with similar starts.

    Windows and Linux doe this perfectly. Is your tab key working?

    Does your tab key do something mine doesn't?

    I type part of a file name in Windows, then tab through the options.

    I type part of a file name in Linux, then tab to get to the next decision point, then type a bit more, then tab to complete (or get to the next
    decision point, or tab-complete with the previous one).

    If I type enough of the file name that the names are unique on either system, the behavior would be exactly the same.

    What does _your_ tab key do? And are you using something custom?

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  • From Atreyu@21:1/176 to Adept on Fri Jul 29 16:21:02 2022
    On 29 Jul 22 18:10:06, Adept said the following to Atreyu:

    What does _your_ tab key do? And are you using something custom?

    I open either CMD or Powershell on Windows.

    For example. cd \, Enter. cd, space, then hitting Tab cycles through the subdirectories.

    I connect via Putty SSH to a Ubuntu VM hosted on OVH in Montreal.

    For example. cd /etc, Enter, cd, space, then hitting tab cycles through the subdirectories.

    On Windows CMD, I type Find, space, then Tab and it cycles through the available files in the directory.

    Nothing custom on either and this behavior has worked here for years.

    Atreyu

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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Adept on Sat Jul 30 11:39:19 2022
    Doesn't Powershell do this? I'm pretty sure it does.

    I imagine there are always ways. That I am almost certainly not
    interested in spending the effort to figure out.


    What effort? You just press 'Tab'!

    I think I meant that mostly as a joke, as it's silly to name files based on tab-complete needs.

    But only _mostly_, because I'd definitely consider it, if I thought that
    I had a reasonable naming convention.


    Gotcha... I think,

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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Adept on Sat Jul 30 11:47:33 2022

    Does your tab key do something mine doesn't?

    I type part of a file name in Windows, then tab through the options.

    I type part of a file name in Linux, then tab to get to the next decision point, then type a bit more, then tab to complete (or get to the next decision point, or tab-complete with the previous one).

    If I type enough of the file name that the names are unique on either system, the behavior would be exactly the same.

    What does _your_ tab key do? And are you using something custom?

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    Ahh, I see what you mean. I use ZSH, so when I press tab, I get all the options. Press it again, and I can use the arrows to select all the options as if scrolling through a menu. I add the
    zstyle 'completion:*' menu select
    option to my .zshrc.

    You probably use bash, I'm guessing bash can do something similar. Try the option
    bind 'TAB:menu-complete'
    and see how you go. Add it to your .bashrc if it is what you want.

    You can type
    bind 'TAB:menu-complete'
    on the command prompt to try it out.

    Linux and Linux programs are generally quite configurable, there is usually a way to get something to work just the way you want it.

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  • From deon@21:2/116 to Adept on Sat Jul 30 09:51:16 2022
    Re: Re: Old computer
    By: Adept to Atreyu on Fri Jul 29 2022 06:10 pm

    Does your tab key do something mine doesn't?

    I type part of a file name in Windows, then tab through the options.

    I type part of a file name in Linux, then tab to get to the next decision point, then type a bit more, then tab to complete (or
    get to the next decision point, or tab-complete with the previous one).

    If I type enough of the file name that the names are unique on either system, the behavior would be exactly the same.

    Do you double tab? For me, at the decision point, double tab will list all the available files that meet what you have typed so far and that it cannot proceed to complete because there is no longer uniqueness in your input.


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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to deon on Sun Jul 31 16:29:54 2022
    Do you double tab? For me, at the decision point, double tab will list
    all the available files that meet what you have typed so far and that it cannot proceed to complete because there is no longer uniqueness in your input.

    Interesting! I had never thought to try that, so thanks for that.

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  • From bex@21:4/141 to boraxman on Wed Aug 3 19:21:00 2022
    At 9:53 PM on 28 Jul 22, boraxman said to Adept:


    When I use Linux, I'm annoyed that I can't tab-complete to choose among a couple of different file names with similar starts.


    ZSH can do this. ZSH can do a lot.

    Why yes, yes it does! :) It was really hard for me to move away from bash, but I'm a complete zsh devotee now. It's conveniences are truly labor
    saving.


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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to bex on Fri Aug 5 10:05:21 2022
    ZSH can do this. ZSH can do a lot.

    Why yes, yes it does! :) It was really hard for me to move away from bash, but I'm a complete zsh devotee now. It's conveniences are truly labor saving.



    I found a lot of things that I did with ZSH, BASH could do. I don't know if I wrongfully thought they were ZSH only features, or if BASH had changed since I converted to ZSH, but I read through some BASH documentation and was thinking "I thought this was specific to ZSH..."

    Being able to use arguments from previous commands without having to press
    the up arrow and hand edit the command and do substitutions using the "/s" syntax is probably my favourite feature. I also like the glob qualifiers, and that you can select files that pass a certain test.

    I add an "archived" extended attribute to any files I've put on my archive drive, but still want to keep around, and I can list those files with
    ls *(+archived) or delete them with
    rm *(+archived). Kind of like a command line tagging system where you can select files which have a particular tag on the shell.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to bex on Thu Aug 4 07:36:00 2022
    bex wrote to boraxman <=-

    Why yes, yes it does! :) It was really hard for me to move away from bash, but I'm a complete zsh devotee now. It's conveniences are truly labor saving.

    Could you elaborate? I'm getting into working with shells more, haven't
    looked at a shell other than Bash since the csh/bash wars of the late '80s.


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  • From esc@21:4/173 to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Aug 5 11:11:09 2022
    Could you elaborate? I'm getting into working with shells more, haven't looked at a shell other than Bash since the csh/bash wars of the late '80s.

    The whole bash vs zsh thing for me is about convenience these days. The main reason I use zsh is because of things like oh-my-zsh and prezto, which essentially give you a tuned zsh experience out of the box. It's easy to manage plugins, etc., with one of these configuration frameworks.

    Now, I think there are probably bash frameworks that offer similar capabilities but the community around zsh suggests to me that usability will always be improved.

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  • From bex@21:4/141 to boraxman on Sat Aug 6 09:02:00 2022
    At 10:05 AM on 5 Aug 22, boraxman said to bex:

    I found a lot of things that I did with ZSH, BASH could do. I don't
    know if I wrongfully thought they were ZSH only features, or if BASH had changed since I converted to ZSH, but I read through some BASH documentation and was thinking "I thought this was specific to ZSH..."

    In the end, all of the shells can do most of the same things, it's just a matter of how easy it is to do those things. zsh makes things like working
    with history and searching easy-peasy. And oh-my-zsh plugins make adding environment variables and variables a piece of cake.

    I add an "archived" extended attribute to any files I've put on my
    archive drive, but still want to keep around, and I can list those files with ls *(+archived) or delete them with

    That is friggin BRILLIANT! I am going to implement that on my test system!


    Have a place for everything and keep the thing somewhere else; this is not advice, it is merely custom.
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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to bex on Sun Aug 7 13:07:54 2022
    In the end, all of the shells can do most of the same things, it's just a matter of how easy it is to do those things. zsh makes things like
    working with history and searching easy-peasy. And oh-my-zsh plugins
    make adding environment variables and variables a piece of cake.

    I add an "archived" extended attribute to any files I've put on my archive drive, but still want to keep around, and I can list those fil with ls *(+archived) or delete them with

    That is friggin BRILLIANT! I am going to implement that on my test system!


    Have a place for everything and keep the thing somewhere else; this is
    not advice, it is merely custom.
    - Mark Twain

    The magic happens with this ZSH function. Note that you need to add
    zmodload zsh/attr
    to your .zshrc as well to add support for extended attributes.

    function archived() {
    # just a check whether the archived attribute exists, regardless of value.
    local val
    zgetattr $REPLY user.archived val 2>/dev/null
    }


    All you need to do to set a file as "archived" is created an extended attribute with that name on the file

    ie
    # setfattr -n user.archived mysticBBS_Release3.RAR

    then you can refer to files with this 'tag' using the following glob *(.+archived)
    as in
    # rm *(.+archived)

    Which removes all files with the tag
    ...or recursively
    # rm **/*(.+archived)
    The following glob is the negation
    *(.^+archived)

    So
    # cp *(.^archived) /mnt/external
    copies all files which have NOT got the tag
    which you can then tag as archived with

    # setfattr -n user.archived *(.^+archived)

    I have folders I download things in, which I then save on an external drive, but may want to keep locally for a moment longer.

    Of course, you can duplicate that function with other tags.

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  • From Bex to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Aug 8 15:35:00 2022
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to bex <=-

    bex wrote to boraxman <=-

    Why yes, yes it does! :) It was really hard for me to move away from bash, but I'm a complete zsh devotee now. It's conveniences are truly labor saving.

    Could you elaborate? I'm getting into working with shells more, haven't looked at a shell other than Bash since the csh/bash wars of the late '80s.

    More robust tab completion: case is ignored, fuzzy matching, wildcard tab competion

    The wildcard tab completion is super-crazy. For example, if I type:

    vi /v/l/p/library and hit tab, it exampds to:
    vi /var/lib/plexmediaserver/Library

    Auto-complete history. I used to *hate* this, but now I rely on it. Start typing, for example, "vi " and you'll see the last time you ran vim. If you had run it with "vim thisIsSilly.example" then while typing "vi" the rest of your previous run is shown, and you can hit tab to fill. But even more handy, say you are like me and edit a kajillion text files in any particular work day. I can type "vi" and then hit the up arrow to go through all matching lines. Or I can keep typing until I can see the autocomplete has worked.

    Last one for now: zsh plugins. My favorite example is a silly little history plugin. The plugin creates a few different aliases which get processed when .zshrc is sourced, including "hsi" to do a case-insensitve grep on history. It's something that I can easily replicate in bash, of course. I just think that it's cool to have it separated out into its own container. If I don't want to have those aliases anymore, in bash I have to go through my aliases file, finding and deleting each one. In zsh, I just remove the plugin.

    Silly stuff, but the expansion of tab completion and auto-complete history has sped up my productivity by a good 5%. Over an 8 hour day, I dig having time for another coffee break. :D


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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Bex on Thu Aug 11 23:38:12 2022
    Last one for now: zsh plugins. My favorite example is a silly little history plugin. The plugin creates a few different aliases which get processed when .zshrc is sourced, including "hsi" to do a
    case-insensitve grep on history. It's something that I can easily replicate in bash, of course. I just think that it's cool to have it separated out into its own container. If I don't want to have those aliases anymore, in bash I have to go through my aliases file, finding
    and deleting each one. In zsh, I just remove the plugin.

    Silly stuff, but the expansion of tab completion and auto-complete history has sped up my productivity by a good 5%. Over an 8 hour day, I dig having time for another coffee break. :D


    http://zzapper.co.uk/zshtips.html

    Lots of good tips here. Will give you an indication of what you can do.
    The most common 'features' I use are glob modifiers, particularly those to select files modified within the last X days, using substition on previous commands.

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  • From Bex to boraxman on Sun Aug 14 14:29:00 2022
    boraxman said to bex: <=-


    The magic happens with this ZSH function. Note that you need to add zmodload zsh/attr
    to your .zshrc as well to add support for extended attributes.

    Thank you thank you!!!

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  • From Bex to boraxman on Sun Aug 14 16:06:00 2022
    http://zzapper.co.uk/zshtips.html
    Lots of good tips here. Will give you an indication of what you can do.


    Thank you so much! I am betting this going to be an invaluable resource.

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