i have one hand holding a baby asleep on my shoulder and one hand to type
:)

i thought i would post a message as there hasnt been a lot to read today.

been experimenting with rest api crate in rust i think its called
axiom-web or something. but my enthusiasm has waned a bit.

saw i had deon and tekk log in to my rust bbs, and sorry tenser if you
come back you have to remake your account. i added password hashing, but
its rather slow on my pi4 running freebsd. though adding it in was super
easy thanks to a password hashing crate.

i should add the ability to reply to messages next..

set up a minetest server again, although its just me playing. its better
than single player as quarrys still run when you're offline in a server.
i am enjoying that, it's like minecraft on peaceful mode, but with mods.

switched to freebsd a while back and am liking it. seems with nvidia
drivers things are much smoother than the amdgpu linux drivers on
freebsd. with my amd card 3d was jerky but with nvidia its smooth. i even
got lord of the rings online running under wine on freebsd.

liking it much better than linux, lots of linux distros have things i
like but none have all the things.. i think probably artix (arch fork)
was closest but freebsd is comfy now.

any way what a ramble!

andrew


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i have one hand holding a baby asleep on my shoulder and one hand to type :)

Sounds like a happy life!

switched to freebsd a while back and am liking it. seems with nvidia

Curious, what in particular do you like? I've used bsd in the past but have always come back to linux. Are you using it for general desktop purposes, development, both..?

liking it much better than linux, lots of linux distros have things i
like but none have all the things.. i think probably artix (arch fork)
was closest but freebsd is comfy now.

Ah, think I understand :) I use Ubuntu 22.04 Server and Arch and have embraced systemd with all its warts and am just trying to make the best of it. Honestly without any philosophical opinion on the matter, systemd meets my needs pretty well at this point. But I have heard cool things about Artix.

any way what a ramble!

Thanks for kicking off a convo!

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Sounds like a happy life!

It is when he's sleeping :) He can get rather grumpy at times.. but yeah
it's a happy life :)

Curious, what in particular do you like? I've used bsd in the past but
have always come back to linux. Are you using it for general desktop purposes, development, both..?

Yeah, both. I'm not sure if I can really put my finger on what I
particularly like about it. Linux is ok, I suppose there's just the
little things about distros that turn me off. It seems that they're
either too bleeding edge - eg arch or tumbleweed, or too out of date, eg debian. I really don't like snap packages due to the way it uses loopback devices, so that puts ubuntu out, I like LXQT, which puts mint out (I
also like KDE) openSUSE leap comes close, but again, a bit out of date. AlmaLinux doesn't have certain packages I need - I could probably find
them in some other repo, but it's also a bit out of date. Void Linux
comes very close, but it's default kernel doesn't include the minix file system, fedora and opensuse use a grub 2 package instead of plain grub.

Yeah a lot of those things are a bit picky, minix filesystem and grub
package are particular for my OS I like to work on from time to time, and
I haven't got that sorted out on freebsd yet.

Perhaps I'm more forgiving of freebsd as I also just like the idea of it
- ZFS, I really like, no systemd is cool, I don't feel like I'm forced to
adopt wayland (though, perhaps that will happen eventually) I like that
it's not crazy about licenses and pure free software etc - of course they respect them, but it's not like GNU firmware blobs are evil kind of thing.

Perhaps also it's less things work on FreeBSD.. I don't have steam, so I
am not wasting money on games I'll never end up playing.

I guess I am just very picky about what I want, and short of making my
own linux distribution (which I have done, but it's way too much work practically) they all seem to be just off.

best of it. Honestly without any philosophical opinion on the matter, systemd meets my needs pretty well at this point. But I have heard
cool things about Artix.

Systemd is one of those things, it seems to work fine for most things, I
got a little turned off when there was talk about them managing home directories. As far as an init system it works, but I don't think it's a
silver bullet or anything, other init systems work too. I do like how
units are easy to write, it's much easier than manifests on solaris
that's for sure.

Artix I liked not having to mess about with installing it (I have
installed arch, it's not hard, just a little tedious) and it had an LXQT
image i think that was set up nicely.

Thanks for kicking off a convo!

:)

Andrew

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It is when he's sleeping :) He can get rather grumpy at times.. but yeah it's a happy life :)

Awesome :)

Yeah, both. I'm not sure if I can really put my finger on what I particularly like about it. Linux is ok, I suppose there's just the
little things about distros that turn me off. It seems that they're
either too bleeding edge - eg arch or tumbleweed, or too out of date, eg debian. I really don't like snap packages due to the way it uses loopback devices, so that puts ubuntu out, I like LXQT, which puts mint out (I
also like KDE) openSUSE leap comes close, but again, a bit out of date. AlmaLinux doesn't have certain packages I need - I could probably find them in some other repo, but it's also a bit out of date. Void Linux
comes very close, but it's default kernel doesn't include the minix file system, fedora and opensuse use a grub 2 package instead of plain grub.

Yeah, the sheer amount of variations in linux distros does create a lot of fragmentation. There still doesn't seem to be a one-package-manager solution that everyone can agree on. I find Arch's AUR to be a mostly good solution but agree the bleeding edge nature of the distro is tricky at times.

Void is interesting. It's the most modern distro I can get working on my powerpc macs in the basement hehe.

One thing I am interested in exploring more is deterministic operating systems. I.e., the system boots the same every time, and user configuration is only applied after. Seems like a very rock solid way to run an OS.

Yeah a lot of those things are a bit picky, minix filesystem and grub package are particular for my OS I like to work on from time to time, and I haven't got that sorted out on freebsd yet.

Gotcha. There was recently an issue with Grub that was preventing people from booting ... this was hairy. I use systemd-boot so for me it wasn't an issue but things like that are fairly scary if you need your computer every day lol.

Perhaps I'm more forgiving of freebsd as I also just like the idea of it
- ZFS, I really like, no systemd is cool, I don't feel like I'm forced to adopt wayland (though, perhaps that will happen eventually) I like that it's not crazy about licenses and pure free software etc - of course they respect them, but it's not like GNU firmware blobs are evil kind of
thing.

I still use ext4. ZFS is excellent, though. It needs better first class support in the linux kernel.

I messed with BTRFS recently and wasn't really into it. Maybe I need to give it more time and try harder to understand its benefits. I get the value of snapshots, for some reason I just wasn't into it.

I also have no use for Wayland at this point. Lol. I'm sure they'll figure out how to make it perfect one day. Until then, xorg!

Perhaps also it's less things work on FreeBSD.. I don't have steam, so I am not wasting money on games I'll never end up playing.

Man this hits close to home.

I guess I am just very picky about what I want, and short of making my
own linux distribution (which I have done, but it's way too much work practically) they all seem to be just off.

Understood. And honestly configuring an OS from scratch once in a while is cathartic.

Systemd is one of those things, it seems to work fine for most things, I got a little turned off when there was talk about them managing home directories. As far as an init system it works, but I don't think it's a silver bullet or anything, other init systems work too. I do like how units are easy to write, it's much easier than manifests on solaris
that's for sure.

Yeah, I have systemd-homed/homectl on my personal laptop but just out of curiosity. From an administrative perspective, I actually think it's brilliant - true roaming accounts in a business or school when using linux workstations. But for most people it's unnecessary.

One nice thing is my home directory is encrypted, though. So there is that. homectl is not /completely/ without innate value :)

Artix I liked not having to mess about with installing it (I have installed arch, it's not hard, just a little tedious) and it had an LXQT image i think that was set up nicely.

Actually if you get bored some time, spin up a vm with a new arch install iso and try the 'archinstall' script. It seems to do a lot of things well, other than an issue I ran into with the fstab.

Cheers!

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Gotcha. There was recently an issue with Grub that was preventing
people from booting ... this was hairy. I use systemd-boot so for me
it wasn't an issue but things like that are fairly scary if you need
your computer every day lol.

I think I heard that somewhere. the thing for me with the grub2 vs grub
boils down to scripts I wrote on debian to create VM images of my OS, so
I could quickly test it. (My OS uses grub to boot, it's uses a multiboot
kernel which is one grub supports) it wouldn't be too hard to check for
grub2 vs grub binaries, and I did write a script to do that, but it
messed up my grub theme for my OS, it just was stuffing around I didn't
want to do :P

I still use ext4. ZFS is excellent, though. It needs better first
class support in the linux kernel.

I do on linux too. I noticed red hat clones seem to default to XFS when
you don't chose BTRFS, but still select ext4. I don't think ZFS will make
it anytime into linux due to licensing, and I expect they would rather
focus on BTRFS than re-implementing ZFS.

Yeah, I have systemd-homed/homectl on my personal laptop but just out
of curiosity. From an administrative perspective, I actually think
it's brilliant - true roaming accounts in a business or school when
using linux workstations. But for most people it's unnecessary.

I'm sure it is useful in some instances, I think the thing that I was
worried about at the time that it was going to be adopted in distros and
forced on me. I can't remember exactly why I didn't want it.

Actually if you get bored some time, spin up a vm with a new arch
install iso and try the 'archinstall' script. It seems to do a lot of
things well, other than an issue I ran into with the fstab.

I'll have to do that.

Andrew

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apam wrote to All <=-

i have one hand holding a baby asleep on my shoulder and one hand to
type :)

I miss those days. My baby girl turns 31 in December.

even got lord of the rings online running under wine on freebsd.

What is that game like? I checked out the web page but don't have time
until at least next weekend to try it out.

Shawn

... Money can't buy love, but diamonds can.

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On Sunday, October 9th apam said...

been experimenting with rest api crate in rust i think its called axiom-web or something. but my enthusiasm has waned a bit.

Axiom is pretty sweet. Rust has a very nice async runtime now - Tokio (there are others) that you can build off. I've been very impressed with the Tokio ecosystem though.


On Sunday, October 9th apam was heard saying...

switched to freebsd a while back and am liking it.

I really should look into running the Pantheon (eOS) type environment on FreeBSD again. It would be nice :)






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Re: Re: one hand
By: esc to apam on Fri Oct 07 2022 21:49:00

i have one hand holding a baby asleep on my shoulder and one hand to type :)

Sounds like a happy life!

wife is probably happy too lol

switched to freebsd a while back and am liking it. seems with nvidia

Curious, what in particular do you like? I've used bsd in the past but have always come back to linux. Are you using it for
general desktop purposes, development, both..?

same here.. BSD has its quirks for sure, but i havent played much with it to be honest

liking it much better than linux, lots of linux distros have things i
like but none have all the things.. i think probably artix (arch fork)
was closest but freebsd is comfy now.

Ah, think I understand :) I use Ubuntu 22.04 Server and Arch and have embraced systemd with all its warts and am just trying
to make the best of it. Honestly without any philosophical opinion on the matter, systemd meets my needs pretty well at this
point. But I have heard cool things about Artix.

i run ubuntu 2204 for the most part as that's what im used to, although that said, i started (linux wise) with slackware 2.3 circa 95 and I just found the actual install CD that you had to make a bunch of floppies off the other day LOL

arch is quite nice, but seeing as im mainly a CLI guy anyway under the hood they all work pretty much the same to me.

although THAT SAID... i freaked out a friend of mine the other day when i pulled out my SCO Openserver VM and started screwing around with that.. he didnt recognise the boot up but i was logged into my bbs from that lmao.

any way what a ramble!

nothing like a good ramble :D

regards

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Re: Re: one hand
By: apam to esc on Sat Oct 08 2022 15:31:26

Sounds like a happy life!

It is when he's sleeping :) He can get rather grumpy at times.. but yeah

can't we all

Curious, what in particular do you like? I've used bsd in the past but
have always come back to linux. Are you using it for general desktop purposes, development, both..?

Yeah, both. I'm not sure if I can really put my finger on what I

same thing here. I gues sit's just what you happened to get used to...... *cough* emacs *cough*

particularly like about it. Linux is ok, I suppose there's just the
little things about distros that turn me off. It seems that they're
either too bleeding edge - eg arch or tumbleweed, or too out of date, eg debian. I really don't like snap packages due to
the way it uses loopback devices, so that puts ubuntu out, I like LXQT, which puts mint out (I
also like KDE) openSUSE leap comes close, but again, a bit out of date. AlmaLinux doesn't have certain packages I need - I
could probably find
them in some other repo, but it's also a bit out of date. Void Linux
comes very close, but it's default kernel doesn't include the minix file system, fedora and opensuse use a grub 2 package
instead of plain grub.

and to be honest... THIS is why i love gentoo or "linux from scratch".. nothing wrong with rolling your own distro. Used to do that back in the day when it took a day to compile a kernel on a 486 lol

Yeah a lot of those things are a bit picky, minix filesystem and grub package are particular for my OS I like to work on from time to time, and I haven't got that sorted out on freebsd yet.

closest i really get to bsd lately has been working on my pfsense box lol i do have an fbsd vm running but havent used that in a while. maybe i should throw it on some old hardware and run it as a daily driver for a week see what happens lol.

regards

Charles Blackburn
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I do on linux too. I noticed red hat clones seem to default to XFS when you don't chose BTRFS, but still select ext4. I don't think ZFS will make it anytime into linux due to licensing, and I expect they would rather focus on BTRFS than re-implementing ZFS.

Yeah, btrfs definitely feels to be all the rage at this point. Honestly one of the reasons I went back to ext4 after experimenting with btrfs was that I wanted to use systemd-boot which doesn't support btrfs snapshots. I'm sure it'll get it sooner or later though.

I'm sure it is useful in some instances, I think the thing that I was worried about at the time that it was going to be adopted in distros and forced on me. I can't remember exactly why I didn't want it.

I don't think systemd-homed will be forced necessarily. It seems more like something specific to corporate workstations (unless having encrypted ~ is important to you, which is why I have it).

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What is that game like? I checked out the web page but don't have
time until at least next weekend to try it out.

it's a bit like world of warcraft classic. but set in tolkien universe

i like it :)

andrew

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Actually if you get bored some time, spin up a vm with a new arch
install iso and try the 'archinstall' script. It seems to do a lot
things well, other than an issue I ran into with the fstab.

I'll have to do that.

I gave this a try today on a spare computer, the installer looks nice,
but it didn't work for me..

First time I tried, it crashed making partitions, so I thought maybe
because I had used ZFS on it previously, I should wipefs the disk. Second
time it crashed after making the FAT32 partition (for efi booting) the
error was something about unable to find the UUID after creating the
partition.

Oh well.

Andrew


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First time I tried, it crashed making partitions, so I thought maybe because I had used ZFS on it previously, I should wipefs the disk. Second time it crashed after making the FAT32 partition (for efi booting) the error was something about unable to find the UUID after creating the partition.

Hm, bummer. My laptop BIOS has a secure wipe function built in and I always use that when installing a fresh OS. I wonder if that's why I haven't run into similar issues. Oh well.

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apam wrote to Tiny <=-

it's a bit like world of warcraft classic. but set in tolkien universe
i like it :)

Nice. Thanks. I may be able to try it this weekend after all. I blew the electrical in the woods and had to come home.

Shawn

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