Phew, it's been three days back in the office and my head hurts.

Moved to a new desk, met new team mates who started this week, trying to catch up with what needed attention in emails that arrived while away.

I think Saturday needs to hurry up :)

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On 18 Jan 2023, Avon said the following...

Phew, it's been three days back in the office and my head hurts.

Moved to a new desk, met new team mates who started this week, trying to catch up with what needed attention in emails that arrived while away.

I think Saturday needs to hurry up :)

Yeah they are talking about making us go back to the office. To me seems a little crazy. We have record inflation and now you want to add expenses to everyones lives.

I won't be looking forward to that.

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Yeah they are talking about making us go back to the office. To me
seems a little crazy. We have record inflation and now you want to add expenses to everyones lives.

I won't be looking forward to that.

I wonder if your company is looking to reduce labor costs.

If people leave because they're unwilling or unable to go back to the office, then the company can do layoffs without having to pay severance, and it's not like commuting costs are paid for by the employer, outside of business trips.

But I know higher-ups do like in-person work arrangements, for a variety of reasons (some better than others).

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Yeah they are talking about making us go back to the office. To me
seems a little crazy. We have record inflation and now you want to add expenses to everyones lives.

I couldnt agree more! Expecially since I can do my job remote and do not interface with anyone in person.

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Same here.... we got many problem with companys got hacked and all Data was encrypted. Big companys, they dont invest in secuity in the past and now learned it on the hard way.

Everyday up to 14 hours of recovering Data and restoring servers, mailboxes and so on...

I had 3 weeks of vacation, the good feel is gone on the first days at work :)

But at the weekend, i move again to Berlin for some photo tours...

Cheers
Goose

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Re: Back to work
By: niter3 to claw on Wed Jan 18 2023 10:02:57

I couldnt agree more! Expecially since I can do my job remote and do not interface with anyone in person.

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What? You don't enjoy gathering 'round the water cooler and chit chatting?

:-)

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What? You don't enjoy gathering 'round the water cooler and chit
chatting?

:p Exactly. To be frank, I work less going in. Hours less, less productive.

oh well, in the long run it's probably healthier for me to go in. I work less, spend more time taking breaks, lunches and driving now.

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I wonder if your company is looking to reduce labor costs.

If people leave because they're unwilling or unable to go back to the office, then the company can do layoffs without having to pay severance, and it's not like commuting costs are paid for by the employer, outside
of business trips.

But I know higher-ups do like in-person work arrangements, for a variety of reasons (some better than others).

That is exactly what most of us think. Still we have shrunk the workforce down so far already that any more talent and we might not be able to sustain business in the future. Guess well have to see what they want to do. Might be time to start looking. I have such good tenure though that its hard to give up the benefits.

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On 18 Jan 2023, niter3 said the following...

I couldnt agree more! Expecially since I can do my job remote and do not interface with anyone in person.

I am a mortgage closer so what I do is work with the title company to gather all their info and make sure both our side (The Bank) and their side have the same info. I also must maintain this throughout the sale.

Its much more complicated than that but this is the basics of it. I do all of this on the computer mostly in email form with folks all around the country.

None of this could be done in person.

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On 18 Jan 2023, Mickey said the following...

What? You don't enjoy gathering 'round the water cooler and chit
chatting?

Theirs a Water cooler? We can do that without getting barked at?

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Re: Back to work
By: Mickey to niter3 on Wed Jan 18 2023 07:22 pm

I couldnt agree more! Expecially since I can do my job remote and do
not interface with anyone in person.

What? You don't enjoy gathering 'round the water cooler and chit chatting? :-)

:) I tend to like going into the office for work and seeing my co-workers and being able to talk to them. And sometimes it's not about work - Every so often, some of us might go get lunch together or something and are able to chat about stuff that's not work-related.

After I got divorced in 2020, I especially felt like it was good to get out of the house and see people, even if it was my coworkers who I see every work day. Lately though, I've wished I could work from home more often. Technically I think I could, but the company owner where I work really prefers that people be in the office.

Nightfox

claw wrote to Avon <=-

Yeah they are talking about making us go back to the office. To me
seems a little crazy. We have record inflation and now you want to add expenses to everyones lives.

I won't be looking forward to that.

They kept telling us our productivity was up when we were at home full-time
and/or in the office only one day a week. A few higher-ups who don't like
not having people around to bully didn't like that, though.

So several months back, they congratulated us for doing such a good job,
and then rewarded us with being able to work from home 2 days a week (down
from 4 or 5). That quickly changed, though. What they really wanted was people in the office 3 days, so folks on a 4x10 schedule only get to work
from home 1 day. Also, contract employees went from having to come in 1
day a week to being told 2-days remote a week to working full-time remote before the change took affect. That didn't set well with some full-time employees but, hey, I don't miss them much so I am glad they are not around.




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Adept wrote to claw <=-

I wonder if your company is looking to reduce labor costs.

They told us our labor costs went down while we were remote. People took
fewer sick days so they were working more, among other things.

If people leave because they're unwilling or unable to go back to the office, then the company can do layoffs without having to pay
severance, and it's not like commuting costs are paid for by the
employer, outside of business trips.

There is also that.

But I know higher-ups do like in-person work arrangements, for a
variety of reasons (some better than others).

Most of ours didn't care, but the ones who only feel like they are getting something done when the are lording over people sure didn't like not being
in the office. We actually had one that *retired* but then came back once
they realized we'd eventually get forced back.

I'd have stayed retired. :)



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Mickey wrote to niter3 <=-

I couldnt agree more! Expecially since I can do my job remote and do not interface with anyone in person.

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What? You don't enjoy gathering 'round the water cooler and chit
chatting?

Honestly, one thing I realized was that I really did not miss all of the
office gossip/politics. As some of our biggest gossips are contractors, and they are still full-time remote, I am still not missing it. :)



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often. Technically I think I could, but the company owner where I work really prefers that people be in the office.

Otherwise he wouldnt feel like the dude with all the power. :)

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On 19 Jan 2023, Blue White said the following...

They kept telling us our productivity was up when we were at home full-time and/or in the office only one day a week. A few higher-ups
who don't like not having people around to bully didn't like that,
though.

So several months back, they congratulated us for doing such a good job, and then rewarded us with being able to work from home 2 days a week
(down from 4 or 5). That quickly changed, though. What they really wanted was people in the office 3 days, so folks on a 4x10 schedule only get to work from home 1 day. Also, contract employees went from having
to come in 1 day a week to being told 2-days remote a week to working full-time remote before the change took affect. That didn't set well
with some full-time employees but, hey, I don't miss them much so I am glad they are not around.

I kinda get the feeling that this is going to be the same or similar when they do it this summer. With trying to shrink the workforce naturally well have to see what they choose to do. At one point many people will feel its not worth it if you can find something else that is work from him and pays more. Even if the benefits aren't as good.

Any company that wants hard working talent right now can get it if they are willing to pay and head hunt. I know a ton of people that are ready to jump ship.

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claw wrote to Blue White <=-

I kinda get the feeling that this is going to be the same or similar
when they do it this summer. With trying to shrink the workforce naturally well have to see what they choose to do. At one point many people will feel its not worth it if you can find something else that
is work from him and pays more. Even if the benefits aren't as good.

Any company that wants hard working talent right now can get it if they are willing to pay and head hunt. I know a ton of people that are
ready to jump ship.

Where I work, they sort of blew their feet off doing that. There were
people who decided to go ahead and retire, but there were also many that quickly found they could get a higher-paying, at least equal benefit, job
where they are remote full-time. I work for a government agency, so the
pay is not really competitive any more for people who are skilled.

So, you end up with people who have too many years in and can retire soon
(like me), or that are under-motivated and can't likely get a job
elsewhere, or that are just biding their time to get some experience so
they can get a job elsewhere.



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Where I work, they sort of blew their feet off doing that. There were people who decided to go ahead and retire, but there were also many that quickly found they could get a higher-paying, at least equal benefit, job where they are remote full-time. I work for a government agency, so the pay is not really competitive any more for people who are skilled.

So, you end up with people who have too many years in and can retire soon (like me), or that are under-motivated and can't likely get a job elsewhere, or that are just biding their time to get some experience so they can get a job elsewhere.

Yeah it will be interesting to see what happens. I kinda suspect it will go that route. We really can't afford to loose more talent. But guess well see what happens.

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