• Does Ham Radio count sstv too???

    From TNT@21:2/147 to All on Thursday, March 12, 2020 11:19:14
    Does SSTV count as ham radio?????

    PS: My first time here! :)

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  • From echicken@21:1/164 to TNT on Thursday, March 12, 2020 14:57:18
    Re: Does Ham Radio count sstv too???
    By: TNT to All on Thu Mar 12 2020 11:19:14

    Does SSTV count as ham radio?????

    PS: My first time here! :)

    If you're sending/receiving it on the ham bands, sure it does. (It's one of my favourite modes.)

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  • From lu8fjh@21:1/209 to TNT on Thursday, March 12, 2020 15:59:28
    Does SSTV count as ham radio?????

    of course!!
    73s
    Juan

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to TNT on Friday, March 13, 2020 08:52:36
    On 12 Mar 2020 at 11:19a, TNT pondered and said...

    Does SSTV count as ham radio?????

    PS: My first time here! :)

    Hi :)

    I wish there was more of this mode in New Zealand

    I think there's a few in ZL3 doing it here.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to TNT on Friday, March 13, 2020 10:35:00
    On 03-12-20 11:19, TNT wrote to All <=-

    Does SSTV count as ham radio?????

    Yes!!! (providing it's done on the ham bands). SSTV is quite a fun mode too.
    )

    PS: My first time here! :)

    Welcome aboard. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Avon on Friday, March 13, 2020 10:35:00
    On 03-13-20 08:52, Avon wrote to TNT <=-

    On 12 Mar 2020 at 11:19a, TNT pondered and said...

    Does SSTV count as ham radio?????

    PS: My first time here! :)

    Hi :)

    I wish there was more of this mode in New Zealand

    I think there's a few in ZL3 doing it here.

    I've done SSTV on and off. A lot of fun. :)


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to echicken on Thursday, March 12, 2020 17:29:52
    Does SSTV count as ham radio?????
    If you're sending/receiving it on the ham bands, sure it does. (It's one of my favourite modes.)

    I as well believe it does.

    While my FT450 is still packed up...this mode...RTTY & Feld Hell are 3 of the modes I would love to do. Think part of the Hell issue is seems like not that many people are doing it. Have read about SSTV...but never really thought
    about it...even with my broadcasting background. Doing RTTY escapes me on how to do it...but would love to do so.

    Personally...my favs are JT-65. Never had the chance to do FT-8...but would love to do so.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Thursday, March 12, 2020 17:34:19
    I've done SSTV on and off. A lot of fun. :)

    Got anything you can point me to to take a look at it?

    Have thought for years of getting a loop from MFJ...but have never had the money to do so. Used to know someone who had 1 & have some of the stuff to
    make one. Was given the variable cap to do it from an old radio. You or
    anyone use one of these & would they work in an apartment?

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Friday, March 13, 2020 15:33:00
    On 03-12-20 17:34, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I've done SSTV on and off. A lot of fun. :)

    Got anything you can point me to to take a look at it?

    What are you after exactly?

    Have thought for years of getting a loop from MFJ...but have never had
    the money to do so. Used to know someone who had 1 & have some of the stuff to make one. Was given the variable cap to do it from an old
    radio. You or anyone use one of these & would they work in an
    apartment?

    Magnetic loops can be very effective, but you need to use a good conductor (like copper tubing) and a high quality variable cap with wide plate spacing, because of the extreme voltages across it (thousands of volts of RF, even with modest power). And using one indoors can work.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Friday, March 13, 2020 15:46:00
    On 03-12-20 17:29, Phoobar wrote to echicken <=-

    Doing RTTY escapes me on how to do it...but would love to do so.

    RTTY is straightforward these days, use a computer, like the other digital modes. Multimon-NG is a good option for most of the digital modes. You can get it for Windows or Linux, and it just needs the common soundcard interfaces to work.

    Personally...my favs are JT-65. Never had the chance to do FT-8...but would love to do so.

    I had a bit of fun on JT65 years ago, haven't tried FT-8 yet.


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Friday, March 13, 2020 07:26:15
    I've done SSTV on and off. A lot of fun. :)
    Got anything you can point me to to take a look at it?
    What are you after exactly?

    How to do it. Much of the stuff I see mentions what you can do...but not how
    to do it.

    Magnetic loops can be very effective, but you need to use a good
    conductor (like copper tubing) and a high quality variable cap with wide plate spacing, because of the extreme voltages across it (thousands of volts of RF, even with modest power). And using one indoors can work.

    Have some time off this weekend...so will get on eham & such to see if I can find me a used one.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Friday, March 13, 2020 07:29:05
    Doing RTTY escapes me on how to do it...but would love to do so.
    RTTY is straightforward these days, use a computer, like the other
    digital modes. Multimon-NG is a good option for most of the digital modes. You can get it for Windows or Linux, and it just needs the
    common soundcard interfaces to work.

    Got everything you mentioned. Even had another Ham show me what he does with it...but when I tried it...nothing at all no matter the software I was using.

    Personally...my favs are JT-65. Never had the chance to do FT-8...but would love to do so.
    I had a bit of fun on JT65 years ago, haven't tried FT-8 yet.

    Even reached Cuba from Idaho years ago with JT-65. Heard/read FT-8 does a shorter timing...so more contacts can be made in the static.

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  • From echicken@21:1/164 to Phoobar on Friday, March 13, 2020 13:47:10
    Re: Re: Does Ham Radio count sstv too???
    By: Phoobar to Vk3jed on Thu Mar 12 2020 17:34:19

    Have thought for years of getting a loop from MFJ...but have never had the money to do so. Used to know someone who had 1 & have some of the stuff to make one. Was given the variable cap to do it from an old radio. You or anyone use one of these & would they work in an apartment?

    I picked up an MFJ-1786 in Dayton a couple of years ago. Had some success with it on 10 thru 20 meters, up to 100W with no problems. Modified it with a vacuum
    relay so that I could switch in a fixed vacuum capacitor for extended tuning range. Have worked on a few different remote and autotuner projects for it.

    A lot depends on the building around you and your location etc., but it's definitely worth a try. At the very least you should be able to work FT-8 and other weak signal stuff. It might be the best bet for someone in an apartment, and it's better than nothing (actually better than "better than nothing" IMHO).

    The MFJ loops are pricey and you might just want to build your own. Mind that your variable cap might only be good up to 5 or 10 watts, especially if it was just pulled from an old receiver. You'll want to do some reading about those before getting ideas about tuning range and power handling.

    A loop antenna is fun in itself because you can spend endless time tweaking it,
    modifying it, and working out tuning methods and mechanisms, if you're into that sort of thing. And who isn't.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Saturday, March 14, 2020 10:40:00
    On 03-13-20 07:26, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I've done SSTV on and off. A lot of fun. :)
    Got anything you can point me to to take a look at it?
    What are you after exactly?

    How to do it. Much of the stuff I see mentions what you can do...but
    not how to do it.

    If you're already setup for computer based digital modes, then it's simple. Just find a suitable SSTV package for your OS. For Windows, MMSSTV works well.
    I can't remember the name of the Linux SSTV software. Then it's a matter of finding out what SSTV mode to use. Some applications, like receiving images from the ISS will specify the mode to use. Others, you'll have to ask the ham community for what's generally in use, or monitor on air, if your software has autodetection capabilities.

    If you're not setup for soundcard based digital modes, you can use your favourite search engine to look up how to setup for digital modes, to get the hardware setup first.

    Magnetic loops can be very effective, but you need to use a good
    conductor (like copper tubing) and a high quality variable cap with wide plate spacing, because of the extreme voltages across it (thousands of volts of RF, even with modest power). And using one indoors can work.

    Have some time off this weekend...so will get on eham & such to see if
    I can find me a used one.

    Good luck. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Saturday, March 14, 2020 10:43:00
    On 03-13-20 07:29, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Doing RTTY escapes me on how to do it...but would love to do so.
    RTTY is straightforward these days, use a computer, like the other
    digital modes. Multimon-NG is a good option for most of the digital modes. You can get it for Windows or Linux, and it just needs the
    common soundcard interfaces to work.

    Got everything you mentioned. Even had another Ham show me what he does with it...but when I tried it...nothing at all no matter the software I was using.

    If you have 2 PCs, you can setup the SSTV software on both and use the local speakers and microphone to acoustically transmit pictures between them for a test.

    Even reached Cuba from Idaho years ago with JT-65. Heard/read FT-8 does
    a shorter timing...so more contacts can be made in the static.

    I've had contacts with the US on 40m, at least 2 hours before sunset using JT65A on a very simple and inefficient antenna with 10-20W. Pretty impressive stuff. :)


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Saturday, March 14, 2020 16:58:51
    If you're already setup for computer based digital modes, then it's simple. Just find a suitable SSTV package for your OS. For Windows,

    Used FLDIGI in the past for Windows & on the Pi. Great for general
    modes...but haven't used it in years...so it would be a learning curve to get it set up the way I like.

    If you're not setup for soundcard based digital modes, you can use your favourite search engine to look up how to setup for digital modes, to
    get the hardware setup first.

    If I move the board over to the Lenovo running OS/2...will be a simple matter to use the netbook the board is on to run the radio with a USB to RS-232 converter which does work.

    Good luck. :)

    No such thing as luck...just math. ;)

    May just run the end-fed along the wall in the living room...since no stays in there..except on the way to the kitchen. ;)

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Saturday, March 14, 2020 17:01:23
    I've had contacts with the US on 40m, at least 2 hours before sunset
    using JT65A on a very simple and inefficient antenna with 10-20W.
    Pretty impressive stuff. :)

    Furthest contact I made was around the same time with a SuperAntenna with a station on PSK31 in Alice Springs in a penthouse room on the 3rd floor.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Sunday, March 15, 2020 19:41:00
    On 03-14-20 16:58, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    If you're already setup for computer based digital modes, then it's simple. Just find a suitable SSTV package for your OS. For Windows,

    Used FLDIGI in the past for Windows & on the Pi. Great for general modes...but haven't used it in years...so it would be a learning curve
    to get it set up the way I like.

    So you have the soundcard hardware/interface setup?

    Good luck. :)

    No such thing as luck...just math. ;)

    As long as it's not meth. ;)

    May just run the end-fed along the wall in the living room...since no stays in there..except on the way to the kitchen. ;)

    Haha OK. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Sunday, March 15, 2020 19:42:00
    On 03-14-20 17:01, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I've had contacts with the US on 40m, at least 2 hours before sunset
    using JT65A on a very simple and inefficient antenna with 10-20W.
    Pretty impressive stuff. :)

    Furthest contact I made was around the same time with a SuperAntenna
    with a station on PSK31 in Alice Springs in a penthouse room on the 3rd floor.

    I used to regularly contact South American stations on PSK-31 on 20m using a mobile whip in a valley. :)


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Sunday, March 15, 2020 22:45:49
    modes...but haven't used it in years...so it would be a learning curv to get it set up the way I like.
    So you have the soundcard hardware/interface setup?

    Oh yeah! Tried a cheap brand early on...but it blew out my decent speakers I loved...then went to the Signalink USB...which I love.

    No such thing as luck...just math. ;)
    As long as it's not meth. ;)

    With some Americans...they can't tell an "A" from an "E" either. ;)

    May just run the end-fed along the wall in the living room...since no stays in there..except on the way to the kitchen. ;)
    Haha OK. :)

    Might as well put a plate next to the wire & let it cook my dinner. ;)

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Sunday, March 15, 2020 22:49:58
    using JT65A on a very simple and inefficient antenna with 10-20W. Pretty impressive stuff. :)
    I used to regularly contact South American stations on PSK-31 on 20m
    using a mobile whip in a valley. :)

    The SuperAntenna works great with long enough legs...but hate having to
    adjust it when I switch bands on the stick. On the other hand...my LDG Z100 tuner will adjust a utility pole to a 1:1 match. ;)

    If only I could get away with it & the fence were closer to my window to run out a long wire...would hook up the fence & tune it up. If it worked
    right...be a hell of a 1.8M antenna.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Monday, March 16, 2020 17:43:00
    On 03-15-20 22:45, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Oh yeah! Tried a cheap brand early on...but it blew out my decent
    speakers I loved...then went to the Signalink USB...which I love.

    Perfect! That'll work just as well on SSTV. :)

    No such thing as luck...just math. ;)
    As long as it's not meth. ;)

    With some Americans...they can't tell an "A" from an "E" either. ;)

    Haha :D

    May just run the end-fed along the wall in the living room...since no stays in there..except on the way to the kitchen. ;)
    Haha OK. :)

    Might as well put a plate next to the wire & let it cook my dinner. ;)

    Well you wouldn't need a light switch, just install some fluro lights where convenient, no electricals needed. :D


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Monday, March 16, 2020 17:55:00
    On 03-15-20 22:49, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    The SuperAntenna works great with long enough legs...but hate having to adjust it when I switch bands on the stick. On the other hand...my LDG

    Sounds like some sort of remote control/auto tuning is needed. :)

    Z100 tuner will adjust a utility pole to a 1:1 match. ;)

    I have an AH-4 that will do similar. :)

    If only I could get away with it & the fence were closer to my window
    to run out a long wire...would hook up the fence & tune it up. If it worked right...be a hell of a 1.8M antenna.

    Nice. :)


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Monday, March 16, 2020 11:20:48
    With some Americans...they can't tell an "A" from an "E" either. ;)
    Haha :D

    Whenever you see one of those stupid red hats like this..."Meke Emarice Graet Egein"...you know it's a true American.

    Might as well put a plate next to the wire & let it cook my dinner. ;
    Well you wouldn't need a light switch, just install some fluro lights where convenient, no electricals needed. :D

    Used to go help the engineer at a 100K W FM station. You walk in the building
    & the lights were turned on. Seeing the look on my face...the engineer told
    me not to be worried about glowing in the dark for a while.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Monday, March 16, 2020 11:24:57
    The SuperAntenna works great with long enough legs...but hate having adjust it when I switch bands on the stick. On the other hand...my LD
    Sounds like some sort of remote control/auto tuning is needed. :)

    They used to sell one...but saw a new one for a little more than the MFJ Loop.

    If only I could get away with it & the fence were closer to my window to run out a long wire...would hook up the fence & tune it up. If it worked right...be a hell of a 1.8M antenna.
    Nice. :)

    Read a story years ago that a guy in Germany parked along the main drag in
    the middle of nowhere & wired up a safety rail. Going back around 100 years when they would use bed springs as well.

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  • From echicken@21:1/164 to Vk3jed on Monday, March 16, 2020 14:42:02
    Re: Re: Does Ham Radio count sstv too???
    By: Vk3jed to Phoobar on Mon Mar 16 2020 17:55:00

    The SuperAntenna works great with long enough legs...but hate having to
    adjust it when I switch bands on the stick. On the other hand...my LDG

    Sounds like some sort of remote control/auto tuning is needed. :)

    If I'm remembering the SuperAntenna correctly, tuning involves tapping a coil at various spots using a lead with an alligator clip. A remote tuning mechanism
    would probably be a reinvention of the screwdriver antenna (something like a brush on a linear actuator).

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 09:47:00
    On 03-16-20 11:20, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Whenever you see one of those stupid red hats like this..."Meke Emarice Graet Egein"...you know it's a true American.

    I think you left out a word... "redneck". :D

    Used to go help the engineer at a 100K W FM station. You walk in the building & the lights were turned on. Seeing the look on my face...the engineer told me not to be worried about glowing in the dark for a
    while.

    Haha, I've done the fluro tube trick. Can even work with a standard CB. Doesn't take much power, though the more power you have, the further away from the transmitter the tube will work. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 09:49:00
    On 03-16-20 11:24, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    The SuperAntenna works great with long enough legs...but hate having adjust it when I switch bands on the stick. On the other hand...my LD
    Sounds like some sort of remote control/auto tuning is needed. :)

    They used to sell one...but saw a new one for a little more than the
    MFJ Loop.

    One what?

    Read a story years ago that a guy in Germany parked along the main drag
    in the middle of nowhere & wired up a safety rail. Going back around
    100 years when they would use bed springs as well.

    Yeah I've heard of those tricks. There's even people who have loaded up a tree as an antenna. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to echicken on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 09:52:00
    On 03-16-20 14:42, echicken wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Sounds like some sort of remote control/auto tuning is needed. :)

    If I'm remembering the SuperAntenna correctly, tuning involves tapping
    a coil at various spots using a lead with an alligator clip. A remote tuning mechanism
    would probably be a reinvention of the screwdriver antenna (something like a brush on a linear actuator).

    I don't know the antenna, but you may be right there, this is starting to sound similar to a screwdriver.


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 00:46:56
    Whenever you see one of those stupid red hats like this..."Meke Emari Graet Egein"...you know it's a true American.
    I think you left out a word... "redneck". :D

    It's more than "rednecks". I see morons who should know better following the OPOS because they're delusional what they hope for others won't happen to
    them.

    Haha, I've done the fluro tube trick. Can even work with a standard CB. Doesn't take much power, though the more power you have, the further
    away from the transmitter the tube will work. :)

    Just caught me off guard to see it happening.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 00:49:50
    Sounds like some sort of remote control/auto tuning is needed. :)
    They used to sell one...but saw a new one for a little more than the MFJ Loop.
    One what?

    One of these as a screwdriver.

    100 years when they would use bed springs as well.
    Yeah I've heard of those tricks. There's even people who have loaded up
    a tree as an antenna. :)

    Looks like I may have been smarter than I should've been a couple of years
    ago. Actually started looking into crystal radios & bought all the parts to make several. Got the parts put away in a box...but it might not be a bad
    idea to make a cheap set.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 00:53:11
    would probably be a reinvention of the screwdriver antenna (somethin like a brush on a linear actuator).
    I don't know the antenna, but you may be right there, this is starting
    to sound similar to a screwdriver.

    Here's the link to look at it. I've got the MP1. Might have to load it up &
    put it behind the front door to see if it does any good.

    http://newsuperantenna.com/

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 20:06:00
    On 03-17-20 00:46, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    It's more than "rednecks". I see morons who should know better
    following the OPOS because they're delusional what they hope for others won't happen to them.

    It's just weird over there. :/

    Haha, I've done the fluro tube trick. Can even work with a standard CB. Doesn't take much power, though the more power you have, the further
    away from the transmitter the tube will work. :)

    Just caught me off guard to see it happening.

    Haha I pulled that stunt on my sisters once. Sent them into the backyard one night, just under the antenna and then started speaking into the mic on HF SSB.
    A flashing light gets even more attention. :D


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 20:07:00
    On 03-17-20 00:49, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Sounds like some sort of remote control/auto tuning is needed. :)
    They used to sell one...but saw a new one for a little more than the MFJ Loop.
    One what?

    One of these as a screwdriver.

    Ah, OK. :)

    Looks like I may have been smarter than I should've been a couple of
    years ago. Actually started looking into crystal radios & bought all
    the parts to make several. Got the parts put away in a box...but it
    might not be a bad idea to make a cheap set.

    The main emergency stations here are on FM. A crystal set won't help. :/


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 20:08:00
    On 03-17-20 00:53, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Here's the link to look at it. I've got the MP1. Might have to load it
    up & put it behind the front door to see if it does any good.

    http://newsuperantenna.com/

    I'll check it out. :)


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 08:39:23
    Haha I pulled that stunt on my sisters once. Sent them into the
    backyard one night, just under the antenna and then started speaking
    into the mic on HF SSB. A flashing light gets even more attention. :D

    Ah...the use of shiny/lighted things. Always works on me.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 08:42:43
    the parts to make several. Got the parts put away in a box...but it might not be a bad idea to make a cheap set.
    The main emergency stations here are on FM. A crystal set won't help. :/

    Not sure how radio developed there...but here...the FCC put into their regs clear channel AM stations. That's why many local AM's either reduce power or sign off at dusk. The reasoning is in the event of a national
    emergency...these stations would be able to broadcast from a central location from a major metro area like Chicago or NYC.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Wednesday, March 18, 2020 12:36:00
    On 03-17-20 08:39, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Haha I pulled that stunt on my sisters once. Sent them into the
    backyard one night, just under the antenna and then started speaking
    into the mic on HF SSB. A flashing light gets even more attention. :D

    Ah...the use of shiny/lighted things. Always works on me.

    Think they work for everyone. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Wednesday, March 18, 2020 12:38:00
    On 03-17-20 08:42, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    the parts to make several. Got the parts put away in a box...but it might not be a bad idea to make a cheap set.
    The main emergency stations here are on FM. A crystal set won't help. :/

    Not sure how radio developed there...but here...the FCC put into their regs clear channel AM stations. That's why many local AM's either
    reduce power or sign off at dusk. The reasoning is in the event of a national emergency...these stations would be able to broadcast from a central location from a major metro area like Chicago or NYC.

    Here, there's a mix. ABC Local in Melbourne is a high powered AM station on 774 kHz, but ABC Local here is on FM, as is the community emergency
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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Wednesday, March 18, 2020 19:57:40
    into the mic on HF SSB. A flashing light gets even more attention. :D
    Ah...the use of shiny/lighted things. Always works on me.
    Think they work for everyone. :)

    Lasers work with cats...but shiny things for humans.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Wednesday, March 18, 2020 19:59:47
    Here, there's a mix. ABC Local in Melbourne is a high powered AM
    station on 774 kHz, but ABC Local here is on FM, as is the community emergency roadcaster.

    Hate to say I'm ignorant of the programming of ABC. Is it like the networks/public broadcasting here in the States where they use translators to retransmit the programming or just play the same stuff at a different time?

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Thursday, March 19, 2020 15:13:00
    On 03-18-20 19:57, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    into the mic on HF SSB. A flashing light gets even more attention. :D
    Ah...the use of shiny/lighted things. Always works on me.
    Think they work for everyone. :)

    Lasers work with cats...but shiny things for humans.

    Yes, lasers work really well for cats, can keep them amused for hours that way. :D


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Thursday, March 19, 2020 15:15:00
    On 03-18-20 19:59, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Here, there's a mix. ABC Local in Melbourne is a high powered AM
    station on 774 kHz, but ABC Local here is on FM, as is the community emergency roadcaster.

    Hate to say I'm ignorant of the programming of ABC. Is it like the networks/public broadcasting here in the States where they use
    translators to retransmit the programming or just play the same stuff
    at a different time?

    Hmm, translators - these days, I suspect the technology used is different. And translators vs different time sounds like an apples (distribution) and oranges (scheduling) comparison. So I can't answer, because on those grounds, the question doesn't make sense. :/


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Thursday, March 19, 2020 14:01:32
    Hmm, translators - these days, I suspect the technology used is
    different. And translators vs different time sounds like an apples (distribution) and oranges (scheduling) comparison. So I can't answer, because on those grounds, the question doesn't make sense. :/

    They use them like crazy out here in the West. Many times...they are on top
    of mountains & low power. The 6 stations I worked at before leaving the business had several of them to give cover for our whole coverage area...even 100 miles away into Las Vegas.

    When some piece of equipment went south...ended up putting Shoutcast on 2 systems...one at the station & one at the translator end. The competitor
    never figured out how we were able to keep up broadcasting out of a garage...since the tower was leased to the company by a former Ham.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Friday, March 20, 2020 15:06:00
    On 03-19-20 14:01, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Hmm, translators - these days, I suspect the technology used is
    different. And translators vs different time sounds like an apples (distribution) and oranges (scheduling) comparison. So I can't answer, because on those grounds, the question doesn't make sense. :/

    They use them like crazy out here in the West. Many times...they are on top of mountains & low power. The 6 stations I worked at before leaving the business had several of them to give cover for our whole coverage area...even 100 miles away into Las Vegas.

    You didn't answer my question. Please clarify - distribution vs scheduling?


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Friday, March 20, 2020 01:42:15
    You didn't answer my question. Please clarify - distribution vs scheduling?

    The translators distribute the signal in a limited area using low power. Many times if a local station is a part of a larger network...they may preempt
    local programming in favor of the network fare.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Friday, March 20, 2020 20:28:00
    On 03-20-20 01:42, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    You didn't answer my question. Please clarify - distribution vs scheduling?

    The translators distribute the signal in a limited area using low
    power. Many times if a local station is a part of a larger
    network...they may preempt local programming in favor of the network
    fare.

    And conflating those two confuses the issue significantly. Here, "translators" are very specific transmitters, which receive the main signal and rebroadcast it to a specific area. Translators are used as infill transmitters. But they don't have any ability to add/change content, they simply translate to another frequency for that infill coverage.

    However, in Australia, there are a relatively small number of major networks - the metropolitin networks that are in the capital cities, and the regional networks that cover the rest. The main networks have similar, but different programming - things like news are different by state/city. A ot of the general shows are networked nationally.

    The regional networks modify content again, sometimes having a separate local news bulletin (my local stations do this, as I'm in a regional area), but there is still a lot of nationally consistent programming.


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Friday, March 20, 2020 13:38:13
    And conflating those two confuses the issue significantly. Here, "translators" are very specific transmitters, which receive the main signal and rebroadcast it to a specific area. Translators are used as infill transmitters. But they don't have any ability to add/change content, they simply translate to another frequency for that infill coverage.

    Many of them are the same thing here...but some do have the ability to insert local content by the use of tones...such as spots/programs they would have on tape/computer.

    However, in Australia, there are a relatively small number of major networks - the metropolitin networks that are in the capital cities, and The regional networks modify content again, sometimes having a separate local news bulletin (my local stations do this, as I'm in a regional area), but there is still a lot of nationally consistent programming.

    Same thing here...but some do change the nationally generated programming.
    You will see this in places where you have fringe elements who keep throwing fits over what goes off the tower. For instance...used to get complaints on Trojan condoms from idiots who believe someone should face punishment for having sex. Another from the distant past is liquor spots which would need to preempted from the stream by state law.

    The problem here in the states is with groups with unpopular views (religious
    & otherwise) with big mouths. Heaven forbid someone might be having fun someplace...they can't have that.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Saturday, March 21, 2020 10:07:00
    On 03-20-20 13:38, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Many of them are the same thing here...but some do have the ability to insert local content by the use of tones...such as spots/programs they would have on tape/computer.

    I'm not aware of any translators with that capability here.

    Same thing here...but some do change the nationally generated
    programming. You will see this in places where you have fringe elements who keep throwing fits over what goes off the tower. For
    instance...used to get complaints on Trojan condoms from idiots who believe someone should face punishment for having sex. Another from the distant past is liquor spots which would need to preempted from the
    stream by state law.

    Yeah, it seems to be a bit more sensible here. The most significant local differences are news bulletins, where the regional networks have an additional local news service that is broadcast after the main state news, or instead of the last 30 minutes of the news. The regional news services can cover relatively small areas that might be serviced by only one or two main transmitters.

    The problem here in the states is with groups with unpopular views (religious & otherwise) with big mouths. Heaven forbid someone might be having fun someplace...they can't have that.

    We don't get that so much here, though your religious nutters keep trying to import their hateful crap here, and too many politicians listen to them. :/


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Friday, March 20, 2020 17:52:39
    insert local content by the use of tones...such as spots/programs the would have on tape/computer.
    I'm not aware of any translators with that capability here.

    Used to have a crew there during certain hours to do this...but with better computer/equipment...they just let a PC do it.

    We don't get that so much here, though your religious nutters keep
    trying to import their hateful crap here, and too many politicians
    listen to them. :/

    From 20 years in the business...if you can get them to pay...consider
    yourself lucky. Just hope they don't change the rules to let them in even
    more than right now...petition your broadcasters to keep them out if they
    come around.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Saturday, March 21, 2020 14:20:00
    On 03-20-20 17:52, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Used to have a crew there during certain hours to do this...but with better computer/equipment...they just let a PC do it.

    Like everything else these days - computer automation has made things easier.
    )

    We don't get that so much here, though your religious nutters keep
    trying to import their hateful crap here, and too many politicians
    listen to them. :/

    From 20 years in the business...if you can get them to pay...consider yourself lucky. Just hope they don't change the rules to let them in
    even more than right now...petition your broadcasters to keep them out
    if they come around.

    There's also the matter of complaints. We actually don't have constitutionally guaranteed free speech here, it's implied, which means most of the time, people live and let live, but if something serious happens, like hate speech, it can be shut down.

    Australis is rather odd in there's periodic discuaaion about whether we should have a Bill of Rights, but it's never been voted on in a referendum.


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Friday, March 20, 2020 23:53:48
    Used to have a crew there during certain hours to do this...but with better computer/equipment...they just let a PC do it.
    Like everything else these days - computer automation has made things easier. )

    That's the reason I left the business.

    There's also the matter of complaints. We actually don't have constitutionally guaranteed free speech here, it's implied, which means most of the time, people live and let live, but if something serious happens, like hate speech, it can be shut down.

    REALLY! What's the situation in the rest of the Commonwealth?

    Australis is rather odd in there's periodic discuaaion about whether we should have a Bill of Rights, but it's never been voted on in a referendum.

    The last or one of the last Amendments to the US Constitution took around 200 years to get passed. Now...the Equal Rights Amendment has passed 38 states...but Congress put a deadline of the late 70's to pass it. 200 years about paying Congress is no issue...but another one which actually passed has always had a big fit thrown...especially after the fundies started getting their panties in a wad that everyone would supposedly be equal. (Not going
    any further on this...since we both support this & some among us won't be happy.)

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Saturday, March 21, 2020 18:15:00
    On 03-20-20 23:53, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Like everything else these days - computer automation has made things easier. )

    I left IT because embedded processors became powerful enough to be included into cheap routers, which made a lot of my skill base somewhat redundant. The 90s were a time of building a lot of things by hand for smaller businesses - routers, firewalls, etc.

    And the other part of my work - servers, was taken over by the cloud. Only place left to get one's hands dirty was in government or big business, which wasn't my scene.

    There's also the matter of complaints. We actually don't have constitutionally guaranteed free speech here, it's implied, which means most of the time, people live and let live, but if something serious happens, like hate speech, it can be shut down.

    REALLY! What's the situation in the rest of the Commonwealth?

    I think most Commonwealth countries have some sort of Bill of Rights, but Australia hasn't gone down that road so far. With all the crap over here about the religious freedom legislation (more properly known as "religious discrimination..."). It is my hope that everyone can be manouvered into supporting a Billof Rights, which would solve that problem once and for all. Anyway, we have at least Canadians in here, so they can chime in. :)

    However, at state level (Victoria), we've had a Charter of Rights for around 20 years, which does enshrine freedoms at state level in law. However, state law can be overridden by federal law when the two are in conflict, and a lot of powers have been referred to the commonwealth.

    Australis is rather odd in there's periodic discuaaion about whether we should have a Bill of Rights, but it's never been voted on in a referendum.

    The last or one of the last Amendments to the US Constitution took
    around 200 years to get passed. Now...the Equal Rights Amendment has passed 38 states...but Congress put a deadline of the late 70's to pass it. 200 years about paying Congress is no issue...but another one which actually passed has always had a big fit thrown...especially after the fundies started getting their panties in a wad that everyone would supposedly be equal. (Not going any further on this...since we both support this & some among us won't be happy.)

    Yeah the fundies get they knickers in a knot over such issues here too. :/


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Saturday, March 21, 2020 08:56:55
    Like everything else these days - computer automation has made things easier. )
    I left IT because embedded processors became powerful enough to be included into cheap routers, which made a lot of my skill base somewhat redundant. The 90s were a time of building a lot of things by hand for smaller businesses - routers, firewalls, etc.

    It was a good time for what it was. About 10 years later...broadcasting with cheap satellite would do the same thing there.

    I think most Commonwealth countries have some sort of Bill of Rights, but Australia hasn't gone down that road so far. With all the crap over
    here about the religious freedom legislation (more properly known as "religious discrimination..."). It is my hope that everyone can be manouvered into supporting a Billof Rights, which would solve that
    problem once and for all. Anyway, we have at least Canadians in here, so

    Thought so about the other countries. No matter what happens...people are
    still going to be pissed off about something they wanted...but didn't get.

    fundies started getting their panties in a wad that everyone would supposedly be equal. (Not going any further on this...since we both support this & some among us won't be happy.)
    Yeah the fundies get they knickers in a knot over such issues here too.

    If they're anything like they are here...they won't be happy until their leaders come with kneepads to make themselves happy for their flock to use.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Sunday, March 22, 2020 12:25:00
    On 03-21-20 08:56, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Like everything else these days - computer automation has made things easier. )
    I left IT because embedded processors became powerful enough to be included into cheap routers, which made a lot of my skill base somewhat redundant. The 90s were a time of building a lot of things by hand for smaller businesses - routers, firewalls, etc.

    It was a good time for what it was. About 10 years later...broadcasting with cheap satellite would do the same thing there.

    Yes, some of those transitional times were great, before big business came in with better packaged solutions that moved jobs away from clever, innovative people.

    I think most Commonwealth countries have some sort of Bill of Rights, but

    Thought so about the other countries. No matter what happens...people
    are still going to be pissed off about something they wanted...but
    didn't get.

    Yep, that will always be an issue, but as long as the greater human rights principles are upheld, it's all good.

    Yeah the fundies get they knickers in a knot over such issues here too.

    If they're anything like they are here...they won't be happy until
    their leaders come with kneepads to make themselves happy for their
    flock to use.

    Yes, and governments need to stop listening to them. They don't represent the majority, or even a significant minority here.


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Sunday, March 22, 2020 08:48:19
    It was a good time for what it was. About 10 years later...broadcasti with cheap satellite would do the same thing there.
    Yes, some of those transitional times were great, before big business
    came in with better packaged solutions that moved jobs away from clever, innovative people.

    Saw some of it being that many rural stations were using Joe Jim
    Bob...because there wasn't anyone else who could do it. With satellite...you always have professional sounding talent & production...other than the local stuff.

    are still going to be pissed off about something they wanted...but didn't get.
    Yep, that will always be an issue, but as long as the greater human
    rights principles are upheld, it's all good.

    Problem here is you have megalomaniacs who also have money...so they get what they want & screw everyone else. American history has always been this way.

    Yes, and governments need to stop listening to them. They don't
    represent the majority, or even a significant minority here.

    Eventually...we're going to see that happening here in America...the same as has happened in Europe & such. One good thing I see happening is because of
    the OPOS & the evangelicals selling their soul to the devil...churches are losing/dying out more and more every year.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Monday, March 23, 2020 16:24:00
    On 03-22-20 08:48, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Saw some of it being that many rural stations were using Joe Jim Bob...because there wasn't anyone else who could do it. With satellite...you always have professional sounding talent & production...other than the local stuff.

    Content and production? That's got nothing to do with the subject of working in IT...

    Eventually...we're going to see that happening here in America...the
    same as has happened in Europe & such. One good thing I see happening
    is because of the OPOS & the evangelicals selling their soul to the devil...churches are losing/dying out more and more every year.

    Well churches are empty here now, but that's because of the coronavirus. Some churces are moving with the times culturally, others still have to catch up.


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Monday, March 23, 2020 23:17:28
    Content and production? That's got nothing to do with the subject of working in IT...

    For modern stations...you better know electronics & computers. Gotta keep the systems running. Personally...I would be looking for someone with Linux skills more than Windows.

    Well churches are empty here now, but that's because of the coronavirus.

    On some respects...especially here...that's a good thing for evangelicals.
    They might eventually be able to pull their heads out of their backsides.

    Some churces are moving with the times culturally, others still have to catch up.

    Did some work with an online church years ago which were way ahead of the curve. On the other hands...your local knee pad sales offices which pose as churches are going to go kicking & screaming.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 20:24:00
    On 03-23-20 23:17, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Content and production? That's got nothing to do with the subject of working in IT...

    For modern stations...you better know electronics & computers. Gotta
    keep the systems running. Personally...I would be looking for someone
    with Linux skills more than Windows.

    I'd agree there (you're determined to turn this towards broadcasting for some reason). :)

    Well churches are empty here now, but that's because of the coronavirus.

    On some respects...especially here...that's a good thing for
    evangelicals. They might eventually be able to pull their heads out of their backsides.

    That too.

    Some churces are moving with the times culturally, others still have to catch up.

    Did some work with an online church years ago which were way ahead of
    the curve. On the other hands...your local knee pad sales offices which pose as churches are going to go kicking & screaming.

    Some of the churches and mosques here are adapting, doing things like services and prayer over streaming video. One church setup drive through confession, with the usual social distance measures.


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 12:23:10
    the curve. On the other hands...your local knee pad sales offices whi pose as churches are going to go kicking & screaming.
    Some of the churches and mosques here are adapting, doing things like services and prayer over streaming video. One church setup drive
    through confession, with the usual social distance measures.

    I can see confession...but with churches like this...wonder how they do communion? Know the church I used to work with in the past had us provide the supplies ourselves at the computer & just follow along. Coke & a bagel work pretty well. ;)

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