• Fidopoll

    From Phoobar@21:2/147 to All on Wed Jan 8 20:14:14 2020
    Has anyone come up with Fidopoll disappearing from the main folder? Went
    back to Windows 32-bit today with all the issues I was having with Raspbian.

    Made a back up of the Linux folder of the BBS to an SD card. One of the
    things which threw me was the only program missing was Fidopoll. Had this happen about a month ago...but replaced it with a copy I put on the C: drive the last time this happened. The worst thing was even as an administrator...couldn't copy the file over until I rebooted.

    Any suggestions about this...feel free.

    BTW...Paul...thank you for the suggestion...but decided that just going back
    to the Windows version. Having a problem one right after another was taking
    the fun out of it.

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Phoobar on Thu Jan 9 17:19:10 2020
    On 08 Jan 2020 at 08:14p, Phoobar pondered and said...

    BTW...Paul...thank you for the suggestion...but decided that just going back to the Windows version. Having a problem one right after another
    was taking the fun out of it.

    Yep, good plan Stan :)

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Mon Jan 13 16:54:00 2020
    On 01-08-20 20:14, Phoobar wrote to All <=-

    Has anyone come up with Fidopoll disappearing from the main folder?
    Went back to Windows 32-bit today with all the issues I was having with Raspbian.

    Made a back up of the Linux folder of the BBS to an SD card. One of the things which threw me was the only program missing was Fidopoll. Had
    this happen about a month ago...but replaced it with a copy I put on
    the C: drive the last time this happened. The worst thing was even as
    an administrator...couldn't copy the file over until I rebooted.

    That sounds like a Windows file locking issue. Windows file locking can be horrible to deal with. Something must have had it open.


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Mon Jan 13 04:53:11 2020
    That sounds like a Windows file locking issue. Windows file locking can be horrible to deal with. Something must have had it open.

    Look like it's time to borrow the giant metal snips from work. ;)

    Have found that restarting the beast allows me to recopy the files back into the folder from an open copy elsewhere on the drive.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Tue Jan 14 14:13:00 2020
    On 01-13-20 04:53, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    That sounds like a Windows file locking issue. Windows file locking can be horrible to deal with. Something must have had it open.

    Look like it's time to borrow the giant metal snips from work. ;)

    Hahaha. :D

    Have found that restarting the beast allows me to recopy the files back into the folder from an open copy elsewhere on the drive.

    And that's a sure sign of file locking issues. A better solution is to find what's holding the files open and addressing that.


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Mon Jan 13 20:15:47 2020
    And that's a sure sign of file locking issues. A better solution is to find what's holding the files open and addressing that.

    Haven't had a problem in the last few days...but when it happens...will see what is running. Have a feeling WWIV software may be doing it when I have a chance to work on it.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Wed Jan 15 11:31:00 2020
    On 01-13-20 20:15, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    And that's a sure sign of file locking issues. A better solution is to find what's holding the files open and addressing that.

    Haven't had a problem in the last few days...but when it happens...will see what is running. Have a feeling WWIV software may be doing it when
    I have a chance to work on it.

    You running both on the same machine with some common directories?

    My Mystic and Synchronet installations are totally separate, except for sitting on the same Pi. They even talk to each other via binkp sessions. :)


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Tue Jan 14 19:14:50 2020
    You running both on the same machine with some common directories?

    Nope...except for where the files are located locally on the box. Both are in separate folders...except for sharing files to download. Even have the BinkP
    & BBS login use different ports...like Mystic uses 7788 & WWIV uses
    7878...with WWIV set up with something like 24557...with Mystic on 24554.

    Just had a thought that I could set all my files for both systems off of the root folder where neither are part of the BBS...but reachable by both. This way...not keeping a double set of files in each BBS.

    My Mystic and Synchronet installations are totally separate, except for sitting on the same Pi. They even talk to each other via binkp
    sessions. :)

    Love showing my Homer Simpson moment with asking if you have 1 instance of BinkP being used by both??? Would love to hear how you're doing it.

    Are you using either one as a point off whichever one is being used as your main node?

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Wed Jan 15 17:51:00 2020
    On 01-14-20 19:14, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    You running both on the same machine with some common directories?

    Nope...except for where the files are located locally on the box. Both
    are in separate folders...except for sharing files to download. Even
    have the BinkP & BBS login use different ports...like Mystic uses 7788
    & WWIV uses 7878...with WWIV set up with something like 24557...with Mystic on 24554.

    That's the "usual" way. I'm using the same ports, but multiple IP addresses.

    Just had a thought that I could set all my files for both systems off
    of the root folder where neither are part of the BBS...but reachable by both. This way...not keeping a double set of files in each BBS.

    Might work. :)

    Love showing my Homer Simpson moment with asking if you have 1 instance
    of BinkP being used by both??? Would love to hear how you're doing it.

    Nope, binkd on SBBS, Mystic is using its own built in mailer.

    Are you using either one as a point off whichever one is being used as your main node?

    Depends on the netwotk. The relationship is different for each net! :)

    Mystic is a point off SBBS for Fidonet (for one echo!), SBBS is a node that uses Mystic as a hub for a few nets, and there's nets (e.g. FSX) where they don't talk to each other at all, just the hub. :)


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Wed Jan 15 04:45:25 2020
    That's the "usual" way. I'm using the same ports, but multiple IP addresses.

    That makes sense. Just set mine up to use the acmebbs name from ddns...but on different ports. For myself...the simplest way.

    Mystic is a point off SBBS for Fidonet (for one echo!), SBBS is a node that uses Mystic as a hub for a few nets, and there's nets (e.g. FSX) where they don't talk to each other at all, just the hub. :)

    Very nice setup!

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  • From Bucko@21:4/131 to Phoobar on Wed Jan 15 19:07:12 2020
    On 14 Jan 2020, Phoobar said the following...


    Nope...except for where the files are located locally on the box. Both
    are in separate folders...except for sharing files to download. Even
    have the BinkP & BBS login use different ports...like Mystic uses 7788 & WWIV uses 7878...with WWIV set up with something like 24557...with
    Mystic on 24554.

    I did sort of the same thing with my Mystic and my CNet Amiga boards and if
    you want to include my now defunct SynchroNet board, I had a shared file library folder on a 2TB HD on my server that shared the File Library and seperate folders for message bases also on the same HD.. Now I have decided
    to just do away with the File Libraries on both boards and create a File Library Server and share that. No overhead on either BBS, you just hit F for file library Mystic RLOGIN's into the File Lib Server and there is a full
    blown File Library and once C-Net is updated to support RLOGIN that also will do the same... As for Message bases, I share all of my local Message bases
    via a network. I created my own Network for my 2 boards and when someone
    posts a message on 1 board it gets sent to the other and vice versa.. It's a lot of fun...

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Thu Jan 16 11:26:00 2020
    On 01-15-20 04:45, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    That's the "usual" way. I'm using the same ports, but multiple IP addresses.

    That makes sense. Just set mine up to use the acmebbs name from
    ddns...but on different ports. For myself...the simplest way.

    Depends who you're making it simpler for - for users and other systems, keeping everything on standard or at least the same port is more important, but the downside is more complexity for the sysop. :) However, it also makes it easier for me to split the systems to separate machines in the future, if I so desire. :)

    Mystic is a point off SBBS for Fidonet (for one echo!), SBBS is a node that uses Mystic as a hub for a few nets, and there's nets (e.g. FSX) where they don't talk to each other at all, just the hub. :)

    Very nice setup!

    Thanks! :)


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Bucko on Wed Jan 15 19:25:59 2020
    to support RLOGIN that also will do the same... As for Message bases, I share all of my local Message bases via a network. I created my own Network for my 2 boards and when someone posts a message on 1 board it gets sent to the other and vice versa.. It's a lot of fun...

    Nice setup. Was thinking about running WWIV as a point off of my networks.
    Got any websites with the info to do what you are doing?

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Wed Jan 15 19:34:01 2020
    Depends who you're making it simpler for - for users and other systems, keeping everything on standard or at least the same port is more important, but the downside is more complexity for the sysop. :)

    Like the idea of it. Right now...tomorrow is my last day the rest of the
    month to be at work at 6 AM...up at 3:45 AM. You could be here holding my
    hand & pointing out how to do it...I'd fall asleep on you.

    Remember talking to a nurse at my doctor's office last month. Mentioned that taking one of my meds in the morning doesn't work for me...since I can't take it at the same time everyday with this stupid schedule. She asked if this
    would keep me awake at night & I asked her how many times she has caught me sleeping in the waiting room waiting to be seen. She laughed especially when I asked for a way to mainline caffeine directly.

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  • From Bucko@21:4/131 to Phoobar on Thu Jan 16 18:16:41 2020
    On 15 Jan 2020, Phoobar said the following...


    Nice setup. Was thinking about running WWIV as a point off of my
    networks. Got any websites with the info to do what you are doing?


    Actually, no, I don't lol that is the only thing I am still not ready with is
    a Website. Jeez.. I run my CNet as a point off of my Mystic, works great. I share a few networks with it.. Let me know what interests you of my setup and
    I could put together a pdf of what and how I did things..

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Bucko on Thu Jan 16 20:49:50 2020
    works great. I share a few networks with it.. Let me know what interests you of my setup and I could put together a pdf of what and how I did things..

    If you could...that would be fantastic. For that matter...if you were to
    hatch it out to everyone...it would help not just me.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Bucko on Thu Jan 16 20:52:27 2020
    works great. I share a few networks with it.. Let me know what interests you of my setup and I could put together a pdf of what and how I did things..

    I would be interested in learning how to set up a point. Have noticed playing around with WWIV last night that the network setup was very similar to what I have done with Mystic.

    Sorry about the 2nd message...binging "Without a Trace" & lost track of what
    I was writing in the previous message.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Fri Jan 17 20:16:00 2020
    On 01-15-20 19:34, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Depends who you're making it simpler for - for users and other systems, keeping everything on standard or at least the same port is more important, but the downside is more complexity for the sysop. :)

    Like the idea of it. Right now...tomorrow is my last day the rest of
    the month to be at work at 6 AM...up at 3:45 AM. You could be here
    holding my hand & pointing out how to do it...I'd fall asleep on you.

    Haha OK, not a good time to do it then. :D

    Remember talking to a nurse at my doctor's office last month. Mentioned that taking one of my meds in the morning doesn't work for me...since I can't take it at the same time everyday with this stupid schedule. She asked if this would keep me awake at night & I asked her how many times she has caught me sleeping in the waiting room waiting to be seen. She laughed especially when I asked for a way to mainline caffeine
    directly.

    Oh dear, that's a worry! :D


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  • From Bucko@21:4/131 to Phoobar on Fri Jan 17 19:58:40 2020
    On 16 Jan 2020, Phoobar said the following...


    I would be interested in learning how to set up a point. Have noticed playing around with WWIV last night that the network setup was very similar to what I have done with Mystic.


    No problem, I will work on it this weekend.. I haven't set up a point in
    Mystic but it should be extremely easy considering everything else is.. In
    fact it is easy, I just looked at the config and all you need to do is add
    the point number to where you add in the node id.. I will netmail you the
    info since it's pretty straight forward...

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Fri Jan 17 20:27:43 2020
    asked if this would keep me awake at night & I asked her how many tim she has caught me sleeping in the waiting room waiting to be seen. Sh laughed especially when I asked for a way to mainline caffeine directly.
    Oh dear, that's a worry! :D

    Compared to how things were for many years...I have leveled out mood wise &
    can kick back to enjoy things & look forward to attempting to get things
    done. Things aren't perfect...but things are good.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Bucko on Fri Jan 17 20:31:13 2020
    In fact it is easy, I just looked at the config and all you need to do
    is add the point number to where you add in the node id.. I will netmail you the info since it's pretty straight forward...

    Love it!!! The one thing I was hoping coming back to BBS'ing was to have
    others with the knowledge who are happy to share with you. This is what makes me look forward to getting back on the boards after I get out of the salt mines.

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  • From Bucko@21:4/131 to Phoobar on Sat Jan 18 00:01:37 2020
    On 17 Jan 2020, Phoobar said the following...


    Love it!!! The one thing I was hoping coming back to BBS'ing was to have others with the knowledge who are happy to share with you. This is what makes me look forward to getting back on the boards after I get out of
    the salt mines.

    Well I don't have the knowledge.. In fact if it weren't for the folks on this network I would have 0 knowledge about this software.. Give me my old
    Commodore BBS' and I am ok. This when I first put it up I knew nothing about but the more I delve into it the more I am shocked what I can do with it.. I
    am stealing another page out of SysOp Solaris' book and putting up a File Server.. If it weren't for his ideas and help I would know about nothing
    when it comes to setting up servers and bat files and all that stuff! I used
    to use bat files when I was working in DOS back in the 90's and never used
    them again when I went Win95, he turned me back on to them. Now? I have a bat file that runs every night at midnight which copies my log files out of the Mystic Directory to another directory, and on Sunday mornings at 2 it zips up all the files in that directory and names it with a date and copies it to another directory where I keep an archive of all of my logs. In addition to that, I have a bat file which copies all of the partitions I have on a SD
    Card which I use ot run a Commodore BBS to a directory then zips it all up
    and names it with a date also.. Takes all of about 25 seconds to backup the entire Commodore BBS! It's all because of the people I met on this Network.. Trust me everyone will want to help!

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Bucko on Fri Jan 17 22:36:21 2020
    Well I don't have the knowledge.. In fact if it weren't for the folks on this network I would have 0 knowledge about this software.. Give me my

    Loved that old breadbox computer. Got me through college back in the early 80's. Used to do term papers on them with a word processor I typed in from Compute's Gazette hooked up to the 1520 plotter. Would run down to Kinko's to have the papers enlarged to 8.5x11 to hand them in with the plotter copy stapled to the front of it.

    and putting up a File Server.. If it weren't for his ideas and help I would know about nothing when it comes to setting up servers and bat
    files and all that stuff! I used to use bat files when I was working in DOS back in the 90's and never used them again when I went Win95, he turned me back on to them. Now? I have a bat file that runs every night
    at midnight which copies my log files out of the Mystic Directory to another directory, and on Sunday mornings at 2 it zips up all the files
    in that directory and names it with a date and copies it to another

    Same here. Running Telegard/Renegade with Front Door...had other sysops who worked with me to make sure I could successfully run DOS stuff with BAT
    files. Setting up the current board...took a while for the knowledge to come unburied...but it made sense & worked...but had to do some research.

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  • From g00r00@21:1/120 to Vk3jed on Mon Jan 20 06:47:35 2020
    Made a back up of the Linux folder of the BBS to an SD card. One of t things which threw me was the only program missing was Fidopoll. Had this happen about a month ago...but replaced it with a copy I put on the C: drive the last time this happened. The worst thing was even as an administrator...couldn't copy the file over until I rebooted.

    That sounds like a Windows file locking issue. Windows file locking can be horrible to deal with. Something must have had it open.

    This is true. Newer versions of Windows I believe are much better than old (Win7+)

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Tue Jan 21 08:38:00 2020
    On 01-17-20 20:27, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Compared to how things were for many years...I have leveled out mood
    wise & can kick back to enjoy things & look forward to attempting to
    get things done. Things aren't perfect...but things are good.

    Cool, that sounds like an improvement. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to g00r00 on Tue Jan 21 08:39:00 2020
    On 01-20-20 06:47, g00r00 wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    That sounds like a Windows file locking issue. Windows file locking can be horrible to deal with. Something must have had it open.

    This is true. Newer versions of Windows I believe are much better than old (Win7+)

    I'm yet to be convinced of that. ;)


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Mon Jan 20 16:32:40 2020
    Things aren't perfect...but things are good.
    Cool, that sounds like an improvement. :)

    It is & it keeps me from completely loathing myself/stuff around me. Hate
    some of the side effects...but these are minor compared to everything else.

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  • From g00r00@21:1/120 to Vk3jed on Mon Jan 20 17:03:49 2020
    That sounds like a Windows file locking issue. Windows file locking be horrible to deal with. Something must have had it open.

    This is true. Newer versions of Windows I believe are much better th old (Win7+)

    I'm yet to be convinced of that. ;)

    Hah to each their own. I meant specifically with file locking, although
    maybe our experiences there are different too :)

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to g00r00 on Tue Jan 21 14:11:00 2020
    On 01-20-20 17:03, g00r00 wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    That sounds like a Windows file locking issue. Windows file locking be horrible to deal with. Something must have had it open.

    This is true. Newer versions of Windows I believe are much better th old (Win7+)

    I'm yet to be convinced of that. ;)

    Hah to each their own. I meant specifically with file locking,
    although maybe our experiences there are different too :)

    I was talking about file locking too. Windows itself is a fairly decent desktop OS these days.


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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to g00r00 on Thu Jan 30 21:39:53 2020
    On 29 Jan 2020 at 08:21p, g00r00 pondered and said...

    Its fully thread safe and can scale up as demonstrated by those screen shots of you having like 30+ BINKP session going in MIS back in the day! (Its the identical code being used between fidopoll and mis)

    Cool, this I needed yesterday :)

    The reason I haven't pushed for it yet is that I want to make sure there aren't other open issues, because I think it could just compound the problems and make it harder to track down a problem...

    Fair enough.

    And if I'm being completely honest about it, the fact that I don't
    suffer from the same massive outbound queue like you do probably makes
    it easier for me to unintentionally forget about it. Out of sight out
    of mind kind of thing.

    For a HUB polling 90+ nodes it is certainly slow when everything is happening sequentially. With BinkD there's a setting that allows you to state the
    number of inbound/outbound connections.. you can set call delay and rescan delay etc.. how many trys to poll, how long to hold after those tries have tried and failed before erm trying again.. etc.

    My thoughts are mostly centered on the fact that we need get to a point where the existing stuff is working well enough that you're comfortable using it reliably. With their being rumors of some transfer issues and possible FLO stuff, I think those need to be confidently addressed first.

    Maybe I could make a fidopoll2 kind of thing like I did with MIS a
    couple of years ago?

    sounds good to me. I've just updated the NET 1 HUB and it's totally running Mystic for all duties at present, tossing, BinkP and Fidopoll. I also have Agency cut over as well - more about that in a different post.

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