Hey g00r00,

How hard would it be to scan just for netmail on login? We scan for direct messages on login but not netmail. Would it be possible to iterate through
each netmail base during this process? I associate netmail more like that
style message than typical go-to-message-menu messages.

Thanks!

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Hope this helps! =)

Excellent! Thanks. I'll throw this up there tonight and see how it works out. Much appreciated.

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Hello ryan!

On 14 Mar 2020, ryan said the following...

Excellent! Thanks. I'll throw this up there tonight and see how it works out. Much appreciated.

You're very welcome!

Best regards
Zip

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Hey g00r00,

How hard would it be to scan just for netmail on login? We scan for
direct messages on login but not netmail. Would it be possible to
iterate through each netmail base during this process? I associate
netmail more like that style message than typical go-to-message-menu messages.

Well you wouldn't be able to make it show up in the email section,
you'd just have to a personal scan of the Netmail base alongside the
e-mail check.

Although I am considering rewriting the message base system entirely from scratch (I will do it in the Mystic 2.0 demo first then back port it, since that doesn't have a message base at all yet).

If I do that, I think I am just going to have an "email" and "emailarchive" base and that will handle private BBS direct messages, netmail, and internet e-mail.

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If I do that, I think I am just going to have an "email" and "emailarchive" base and that will handle private BBS direct messages, netmail, and internet e-mail.

Nice. This sounds slick :)

One thing I notice with netmail is that I have to have multiple bases because some nets require real names and some allow aliases (i.e., fidonet vs fsxNet).

In an ideal world we wouldn't have to worry about setting up netmail areas, they'd be implied...and we could set something up in the node config for whether or not that network allows netmail via alias or full name. What would you think of that?

Hope all's well out there in Korea!

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On 13 Mar 2020, ryan said the following...

Hey g00r00,
How hard would it be to scan just for netmail on login? We scan for
direct messages on login but not netmail. Would it be possible to
iterate through each netmail base during this process? I associate
netmail more like that style message than typical go-to-message-menu messages.

this is all in the prelogin menu and you can add that and set it for a
certain asc level.

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One thing I notice with netmail is that I have to have multiple bases because some nets require real names and some allow aliases (i.e.,
fidonet vs fsxNet).

I still just use a single base and send them as alias for FidoNet (since I can receive addressed to either name) and I've never had someone complain. I could associate a flag with the addresses though for this, I just never have.

In an ideal world we wouldn't have to worry about setting up netmail areas, they'd be implied...and we could set something up in the node

Yes that would be the plan. I do know that some people in the past have expressed that they want their BBS to have separate Netmail areas per network. I personally don't like this approach which is why Mystic can do both, but switching the system would take this option away from them.

Hope all's well out there in Korea!

Hanging in there. My flight out just got cancelled this morning which is
going to probably make things a big pain in the ass since it was only a few days away.

I think I will be safer in Seoul than where I will be in PA to be honest.

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Re: Re: Scan for netmail on login?
By: g00r00 to ryan on Sun Mar 15 2020 06:29 am

Hope all's well out there in Korea!

I think I will be safer in Seoul than where I will be in PA to be honest.

So you are in Seoul?

I was there about 3 weeks ago (might have been 4) - Korea wasnt on the radar yet for this virus - but it's awareness was high, I was very impressed.

I bet things are a bit quieter now...

I travelled there via Hong Kong, which had just closed most of its borders to China, and it was strange going through the airport (its rare that you cannot see other people with you going through security).

And I agree, I just read an articule on the virus - and it praised Korea for its handling of this virus - they learnt from Sars. So yes, you are probably in
a good place, even if it has a high count of infections...
...deon


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Hanging in there. My flight out just got cancelled this morning which is going to probably make things a big pain in the ass since it was only a few days away.

I think I will be safer in Seoul than where I will be in PA to be honest.

Yikes. Any issues with lodging over there? I assume you're in a hotel...hope you're not paying out of pocket.

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So you are in Seoul?

I was there about 3 weeks ago (might have been 4) - Korea wasnt on the radar yet for this virus - but it's awareness was high, I was very impressed.

Yeah I'm in Gangnam-gu Seoul (oppa Gangnam style!)

I bet things are a bit quieter now...

The virus is still making noise although people here seem calm. I can tell you we had our 14th positive case detected yesterday in Gangnam, but because of the amazing system here I know that I haven't been where she has been. I received the mobile notification of her positive test and a list of all of the places she had been along with times she was there, so I can check to see if we may have crossed paths.

Only one of the positives that I looked at had been around my immediate area but it was a couple of days before I arrived at my current location.

I travelled there via Hong Kong, which had just closed most of its
borders to China, and it was strange going through the airport (its rare that you cannot see other people with you going through security).

I bet that is extremely rare in Hong Kong! I had a similar experience too in both Thailand and Korea (moreso in Korea) where there just aren't as many travelers.

I've been in Incheon airport in Korea twice before this visit and I remember much longer lines and more people than there was this time when I arrived.

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Hanging in there. My flight out just got cancelled this morning whic going to probably make things a big pain in the ass since it was only few days away.

I think I will be safer in Seoul than where I will be in PA to be hon

Yikes. Any issues with lodging over there? I assume you're in a hotel...hope you're not paying out of pocket.

I was able to get on another flight although they've made my travel an absolute shit show now. I was flying directly to Atlanta and had about an hour layover before flying to Philadephia, arriving in the afternoon.

Now I am leaving 10 hours earlier but arriving something like 20 hours later than my original flight. I'll be flying into Detroit where I have a layover, then Atlanta where I have a massive 9 hour layover, then to Philaelphia where I arrive in the middle of the night when public transportation isn't running.

I really don't want to be stuck amongst careless traveling Americans for endless hours of layover. And its annoying because there are direct flights from Detroit to Phiadelphia but instead I have to spend 20 hours flying from one end of the US to the other, only to come back to the same damn region I
was already in 20 hours earlier.

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I really don't want to be stuck amongst careless traveling Americans for endless hours of layover. And its annoying because there are direct flights from Detroit to Phiadelphia but instead I have to spend 20 hours flying from one end of the US to the other, only to come back to the
same damn region I was already in 20 hours earlier.

Why not just take the flight to detroit and then book another flight from
there to Philly? Or maybe a bus or something? There's no law that says you
have to follow the rest of the flights.

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Why not just take the flight to detroit and then book another flight from there to Philly? Or maybe a bus or something? There's no law that says
you have to follow the rest of the flights.

I could possibly do that. I am looking into options and there are 4-5
flights direct to Philadelphia per day, so there is no reason for them to fly me all over the damn country (right past where I need to go) for 20 hours.

I want them to just put me on a flight that isn't stupid without having to spend $300 because its what they should do. I guess its possible all of the other flights are sold out but I would be surprised given its supposed to be
a lockdown time when I am arriving.

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I could possibly do that. I am looking into options and there are 4-5 flights direct to Philadelphia per day, so there is no reason for them
to fly me all over the damn country (right past where I need to go) for
20 hours.

I have miles with Alaska and United, let me know if I can help.

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I really don't want to be stuck amongst careless traveling Americans for endless hours of layover. And its annoying because there are direct flights from Detroit to Phiadelphia but instead I have to spend 20 hours flying from one end of the US to the other, only to come back to the
same damn region I was already in 20 hours earlier.

As someone who usualy spends about 120 days a year traveling for work, I can totally understand and sympathize with you. Dog legs and layovers suck.

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I want them to just put me on a flight that isn't stupid without having
to spend $300 because its what they should do. I guess its possible all of the other flights are sold out but I would be surprised given its supposed to be a lockdown time when I am arriving.

They are probably trying to put bodies on planes in order to justify the fuel costs for flying those planes. I think it is the opposite of seats being full.

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I could possibly do that. I am looking into options and there are 4- flights direct to Philadelphia per day, so there is no reason for the to fly me all over the damn country (right past where I need to go) f 20 hours.

I have miles with Alaska and United, let me know if I can help.

I'm with ryan. I have a metric shit load (not sure what that would be in imperial) of Star Alliance miles. If we can get you home quick and safe we will.

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I really don't want to be stuck amongst careless traveling Americans endless hours of layover. And its annoying because there are direct flights from Detroit to Phiadelphia but instead I have to spend 20 ho flying from one end of the US to the other, only to come back to the same damn region I was already in 20 hours earlier.

As someone who usualy spends about 120 days a year traveling for work, I can totally understand and sympathize with you. Dog legs and layovers suck.

Yeah its bullshit. I paid extra for an upgraded flight with no significant layovers and they change it to this 3 stop flight with a 9+ hour layover in one of the airports. Seriously?

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I want them to just put me on a flight that isn't stupid without havi to spend $300 because its what they should do. I guess its possible of the other flights are sold out but I would be surprised given its supposed to be a lockdown time when I am arriving.

They are probably trying to put bodies on planes in order to justify the fuel costs for flying those planes. I think it is the opposite of seats being full.

For the Korean flight yes, I think thats why they cancelled my flight.

But the domestic flights are still active going to Detroit to Philly every day. Why make me go all the way across the USA to another stop and then back to the northeast (where I already was) afterwards, instead of just putting me on one of those Detroit to Philly flights.

It doesn't compute, unless all those flights were full (which seems unlikely)

Hopefully I can get something from them for this bullshit.

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I'm with ryan. I have a metric shit load (not sure what that would be in imperial) of Star Alliance miles. If we can get you home quick and safe
we will.

I really appreciate it guys! I did manage to get my flights sorted out and
now I won't have to fly all over the US for 20 hours. Instead I get on the
90 minute flight directly home after arriving in the US!

Now all I have to do is pass a health screening and get a certificate of quarentine here in Korea so I can leave.

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Now all I have to do is pass a health screening and get a certificate of quarentine here in Korea so I can leave.

Not sure my miles will work for that ;)

Just tell them you Oppa Gangnam styled the whole time you were there.

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Now all I have to do is pass a health screening and get a certificate of quarentine here in Korea so I can leave.

Awesome news for the trip home!

Good luck with the screening. I think things in the US are finally starting
to become a bit more reasonable, slowly but surely...

My girlfriend was finally tested today. We live in Palo Alto, home of
Stanford University, and Stanford has a world class medical facility. Because of that, Stanford has drawn in pretty much everyone from the Bay Area. They
do multiple phone screens (to include a video screen) prior to bringing
someone on-site for a drive-through test.

There's another, lesser, world-class medical facility a few blocks away
called PAMF (Palo Alto Medical Foundation). My girlfriend called this morning and they said to come by and get a test.

They tested her for influenza (both current strains) and took an x-ray for pneumonia. All of that was negative. It'll take 4-5 days for us to get the results of the COVID test, but the doctor said her symptoms are a 1:1 match. So... *shrug*

I'd love to get tested myself but have no symptoms. You think I'd be showing them by now. I'm sick of sleeping on a cot, that's for sure. And making all
her meals and cleaning up all the time is getting on my nerves. Hehe.

Welcome home (once you get here). Safe travels!

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They tested her for influenza (both current strains) and took an x-ray
for pneumonia. All of that was negative. It'll take 4-5 days for us to
get the results of the COVID test, but the doctor said her symptoms are
a 1:1 match. So... *shrug*

It really sounds like it has to be, if those other things were ruled out. Its a relief even for me to to hear that she got tested, so I'm sure getting answers will be a huge relief for you two.

If we are to get this virus, its probably better to be in the first half of people getting it than the last when hospitals may be more overwhelmed. So
if there is any positive to her situation that might be it.

I'd love to get tested myself but have no symptoms. You think I'd be showing them by now. I'm sick of sleeping on a cot, that's for sure. And making all her meals and cleaning up all the time is getting on my
nerves. Hehe.

Yeah that sounds uncomfortable and annoying. I know most people seem to show it in a handful of days, but I know for a fact there are some rarer occasions when its much much longer than that. I don't mean to be so negative but...

One of the 14 people in my neighborhood that have been confirmed was around someone who had it, so he went into 14 day quarentine. Somehow he managed to make it through the entire quarentine without symptoms and then on his second day out he got sick. I don't think those cases are common though.

Welcome home (once you get here). Safe travels!

Thanks! Now I get to come home and go through the worst of it all over again because I think the east coast is a couple of weeks behind where we are with the virus in your area.

People in my area are really clinging hard to this not being a big deal. Our state shut just about everything down for 2 weeks and they are asking people to self-quarentine to help stop the spread, but apparently our main street was absolutely packed with people out at the bars celebrating their time off over the weekend.

And today I came home and was thinking about the stupid posts in here, so I forgot to sanitize myself. My hands are all over doors and elevators on the way home so normally there is a whole procedure I do, but today I forgot and immediately got something to eat instead. So not only did I not sanitize but then my hands were on food that went directly into my mouth. Hopefully it will be okay, it just sucks I made it this long being cautious to start screwing up in the last couple of days.

Anyway its really glad to hear that your GF is finally getting some help and that you're still okay! Thanks for keeping us updated!

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One of the 14 people in my neighborhood that have been confirmed was around someone who had it, so he went into 14 day quarentine. Somehow
he managed to make it through the entire quarentine without symptoms and then on his second day out he got sick. I don't think those cases are common though.

Yeah this is what scares me. And the fact that we don't know how long you can shed the virus after feeling better. Yikes. It's like this thing was designed
t spread.

People in my area are really clinging hard to this not being a big deal. Our state shut just about everything down for 2 weeks and they are
asking people to self-quarentine to help stop the spread, but apparently our main street was absolutely packed with people out at the bars celebrating their time off over the weekend.

That's crazy. Simple math can show how widespread this is. There are so far
69 coronavirus deaths in the US. We know that the death rate is around 1% and the growth rate is around 40%. We also know that the typical incubation
period is about two weeks. Let's make a conservative assumption that everyone dies on the 2 week mark after infection exactly. If that's the case, at a minimum, that means two weeks ago there were 6900 infected, and 6900*1.4*14
is 135,240. So the most conservative estimate based on math alone means that there are 135k infected people in the US right now.

I wish people would stop being fucking stupid.

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I wish people would stop being fucking stupid.

I agree. I hate to say it, but its almost like its going to take someone relatively youngish (under 50) to die in my neightborhood in PA for them to wake up.

There was a doctor from University of Penn in Philly that posted to our neighborhood Facebook group after reading all of the dumb denial stuff there.

She tried to explain a bunch of things to them and urged them to please stay indoors as much as possible for these two weeks. She explained that even if it doesn't stop the virus, that it will change the onset curve of cases and it will make it so much easier on the Hospitals if people are infected more gradually over time. She said if it happens too fast people WILL die because they won't have enough breathing machines to help everyone. She referenced it all with links to the CDC, WHO and so on...

Instead of listening, people immediately accused her of being a fake Doctor even though you could Google her name in 10 seconds and find out she was legit.

The level of energy people put into being ignorant is insane, and its really sad/scary to see. Not just specific to this virus either.

exactly. If that's the case, at a minimum, that means two weeks ago
there were 6900 infected, and 6900*1.4*14 is 135,240. So the most conservative estimate based on math alone means that there are 135k infected people in the US right now.

We will probably never know for sure, and if there aren't a lot of deaths all of these people who act like this are going to feel vindicated which will only reinforce their ignorance. :(

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Instead of listening, people immediately accused her of being a fake Doctor even though you could Google her name in 10 seconds and find out she was legit.

Sadly this is inspired by Trump. The "everything is Fake News if it's counter to what I want to believe/sell/whatever" and denial of science. Trump
validated the lizard brain population, and it's going to result in people
dying unnecessarily.

We will probably never know for sure, and if there aren't a lot of
deaths all of these people who act like this are going to feel
vindicated which will only reinforce their ignorance. :(

Which means nothing will change.

I'm a Bernie fan, just so we can get that out of the way :) But now even
Romney is advocating for something akin to Universal Basic Income.

It's crazy to me that all conservatives seem to care about is the stock
market, so we're throwing every possible trick in the trade at making the
stock market crash less drastically. Thing is, this does nothing for most people. 1 out of 5 Americans are wealthy enough to invest in the market.

The 80% of people living more or less paycheck to paycheck? Everyone's
fucked. There's no way to pay rent, pay mortgage, pay car bill, phone bill, internet, feed yourself...I guess this only applies to non-salaried people,
but we're venturing into new territory here. And contrary to Reagan's
"Trickle Down" aka "Let's Trick The Middle Class Into Making Rich People Richer" theory, the economy will collapse if the everyman can't afford to buy basic commodities.

We're hosed. Totally screwed.

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On 03-17-20 00:52, g00r00 wrote to ryan <=-

She tried to explain a bunch of things to them and urged them to please stay indoors as much as possible for these two weeks. She explained
that even if it doesn't stop the virus, that it will change the onset curve of cases and it will make it so much easier on the Hospitals if people are infected more gradually over time. She said if it happens
too fast people WILL die because they won't have enough breathing
machines to help everyone. She referenced it all with links to the
CDC, WHO and so on...

Actually, if you have a backyard and you're infected, it might be even better to spend some time in the sun in your backyard, when weather permits. Fresh air and sunlight can weaken some viruses. This was used to great effect during the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic. As you're not leaving home, you're still in isolation, but getting a good dose of the outdoors. :)

But the basic principles are sound - self isolation can and will help slow down the spread of the virus. I have to balance that with mental health impacts. I'm not well suited to isolation, so judicious social contact will be needed. Some of that online, perhaps phone/video chat, all of which are not an issue, and careful small (< 10 people) social gatherings, preferably outdoors where there's room to spread out.

Instead of listening, people immediately accused her of being a fake Doctor even though you could Google her name in 10 seconds and find out she was legit.

We're getting the same messages here, but not the same pushback.

We will probably never know for sure, and if there aren't a lot of
deaths all of these people who act like this are going to feel
vindicated which will only reinforce their ignorance. :(

Testing is lagging behind what's required, so yes we will never know how many people are truly infected.


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On 03-16-20 12:01, ryan wrote to g00r00 <=-

It's crazy to me that all conservatives seem to care about is the stock market, so we're throwing every possible trick in the trade at making
the stock market crash less drastically. Thing is, this does nothing
for most people. 1 out of 5 Americans are wealthy enough to invest in
the market.

In Australia, a lot more people are exposed to the stock market than people realise. The reason is because of our compulsory superannuation (retrement savings) system, where a portion of your income is put into a retirement fund. You can't touch this money unil retirement age, except under very limited special curcumstances. You can also make voluntary contributions (which are tax deductible) on top of the compulsory ones, and in at least some cases, you can withdraw the voluntary contributions before retirement.

But the point is the super funds you pay your money to are investment managers, and they invest the money in investments likely to make more money. Some of one's money is therefore invested in the stock market, and that money is therefore exposed to the stock market fluctuations. How much affected depends on the exact shares invested in. Shares are not the only investment, but most peoples investment portfolios do include some shares.

My own exposure is minimal, because my work history hasn't allowed me to accumulate much superannuation, but there's a chance other money headed my way may have been exposed, depending on timing.


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