Does anyone here know how to setup Mystic as a QWK node? I've started the process, but haven't got it working yet, and the instructions aren't on the wiki wither.

I have seen instructions posted in an echo in the past, but can't fine them now. :(

Anyone able to help?
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From Dan/Black Panther:
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In order to set up a QWK network within Mystic is not very difficult, and it does work. Trust me.

This information is using the most current version of Mystic BBS at the time
of this writing, which is 1.12 A 31.

Keep in mind, Mystic 1.12 A 31 does have a known issue which affects QWK networking. If multiple messages are entered at the same time, Mystic will
give them the same MSGID. This can be a problem when Mystic is gathering messages to put into a REP packet to send to your uplink or hub. When these messages get to your hub, if they have the same MSGID, could be considered duplicate messages, and not get imported.

My work-around for this, is to have Mystic export the messages as soon as
they are saved. Mystic will then pick up on the semaphore file and send them out soon after. As I am pretty much the only one on my board who is active in the message bases, I can keep an eye on the status of the outgoing progress
of one message, before I enter another.

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First, make sure you have a QWK account set up on the hub BBS. If this is Synchronet, make sure you log in and set the areas you would like, along with the message pointers. Make sure you obtain a list of the conferences and the QWK Base ID numbers, as you will need that information to set up the message bases.

1 - Open Mystic with "mystic -cfg" (or ./mystic -cfg in Linux).

2 - Under Configuration, select "QWK Networking"

3 - If nothing is listed in this menu, select "/" on your keyboard, and chose "Insert"

4 - Hit enter on the newly created network connection

5 - Active Poll will default to "No". Leave it alone for now. We'll get back
to that.

6 - Select "Network Name" and type in the name of the network (eg. Dovenet)
and hit "Enter"

7 - Select "Member Type" and change it to node.

8 - Select "FTP Host" and type in the full hostname you will be connecting
to, including port, if other than standard. For example, "dove.synchro.net"
and hit "Enter"

9 - Select "Login" and enter the login you chose when you set up your QWK account, and hit "Enter"

10 - Select "Password" and enter the password you chose when you set up your QWK account, and hit "Enter"

11 - Select "Use Passive" and change it to "Yes"

12 - Select "Packet ID" and enter the packet name you will be receiving from your hub. If you had used Synchronet previously, this will be the Hub System ID, such as "Vert" or "Mojo". Your hub will tell you what this name will be
if you don't know.

13 - "Archive Type" should already be set for ZIP, so we can leave that alone

14 - "Use QWKE" should be set for "No", and we'll leave that one alone as
well.

15 - Hit ESC twice to get back to the main menu, and move over and select "Editors".

16 - Move down to "Message Group Editor" and hit "Enter"

17 - Hit the "/" key on your keyboard and insert a new group. If your board doesn't use message groups, you can skip to step 20

18 - Hit "Enter" on the "Name" field, and type in the name of the network
(eg. Dovenet) and hit "Enter". Make a note of the ID number of the group, as you will need this information later.

19 - The other fields are optional, so you can now hit ESC twice

20 - Move up to the "Message Base Editor" and hit "Enter"

21 - Move down to where you would like to insert the new message bases, or
you can hit the "End" key to move to the bottom.

22 - Hit the "/" key and insert a new message bases

23 - Hit "Enter" on the new message base you created.

24 - Hit "Enter" on the "Name" field, and type in the full description of the message base. I would suggest starting with something to indicate the network in this field as well. For example, instead of just "General", I would put in "Dove General". This makes it easier to tell what message base, from what network you're in while reading messages. Once finished typing, hit "Enter"

25 - Move down to "QWK Name" and enter the QWK ID, which is provided in the network information. For example, "DOVE-Net" is the ID for the General
message base within Dovenet. Hit "Enter" when finished

26 - Move down to "File Name" and type in a unique file name for this message base. I like to use the QWK ID for this field, as it will typically be
unique. Hit "Enter" when finished.

27 - Move down to the "QWK Network" field and hit "Enter". This will bring up
a list of the QWK networks currently set up within Mystic. Scroll down to the corrent network, and hit "Enter"

28 - Move down one, to the "QWK Base ID" field. This is where you type in the conference ID number supplied by the network information. In our example of "Dove General", it is "2001". Hit "Enter" when finished

29 - Hit ESC, and repeat steps 21 - 28, until you have all of the message
bases created and filled in.

30 - Move up to the first base you created. Press the "TAB" key on your keyboard, and select all of the bases you just created.

31 - Press the "/" key and this time chose "Global"

32 - On the screen that comes up, move down to "List ACS". This field defines the users access needed to see this message base. Change the "No" in front of it, to "Yes". Then move over to the right, and hit "Enter". Enter the access you would like, and hit "Enter" to save. I have mine set to "s10g13", which
is security level 10 and message group 13. The group number is the ID from
when you set up the group in step 18 (For more information on this, check out YouTube's "Mystic Guy" videos. He shows in great detail how this works.
Thanks Avon)

33 - Move down to "Read ACS", and enter in the access you would like to read the messages in this base. Mine is set for "s10g13". Make sure you set the "Yes" in front of it

34 - Move down to "Post ACS", and enter in the access you would like for
users to post messages in this bases. Mine is "s20g13". Set the "Yes"

35 - Move down to "Sysop ACS", and enter in the access you have for Sysop access. Mine is "s255g13". Set the "Yes"

36 - Move over to the "Max Msgs" and change that to how many messages you
would like in each base. Set the "Yes" if you change the field.

37 - Move down to the "Max Msg Age" and change that if needed. Set the "Yes"
if you do.

38 - Change the rest of the options, as needed. Setting the "Yes" for each
one you change.

39 - Once all the options are set correctly, hit "CTRL-U" to save the information to all of the bases. Mystic will ask you if you would like to "Update XX settings per base?". Chose "Yes"

40 - Hit ESC, and go back to "Configuration" and chose QWK Networking".

41 - Hit "Enter" on the network you just set up. and change the "Active Poll" to "Yes"

42 - ESC out of Mystic, and back to a command prompt

43 - Type in "qwkpoll all", or you can type in "qwkpoll 1", if this is your first QWK network.

44 - If everything was set up properly, Mystic will connect with your hub,
and download new messages for your bases.

45 - Set up an event to poll your hub at specific intervals. There is an example event in Mystic which can be used as a reference.

I hope these instructions help you get connected to QWK networks. Of the
three that I an involved with, two of them worked, and one had an issue on
the hubs end. All three of them are working smoothly now.

If anybody finds any errors in these instructions, please let me know. As I'm typing this, it's almost 3AM, and I have to work at 9AM. :/

Dan Richter
aka Black Panther
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On 04-15-20 15:03, Alpha wrote to Vk3jed <=-

From Dan/Black Panther:
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In order to set up a QWK network within Mystic is not very difficult,
and it does work. Trust me.

Thanks, this is the post I was looking for, though since I've posted, I pretty much worked it out, except that I cheated and did the first stage of setting up the message areas with a dummy .NA file, to get the bulk of the tedious work done. All I had to do then was fix up some minor issues and add the QWK networking information to each area. :)

Anyway, I've saved it for future reference. :)


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Thanks, this is the post I was looking for, though since I've posted, I pretty much worked it out, except that I cheated and did the first stage of setting up the message areas with a dummy .NA file, to get the bulk

Awesome. I feel like this is exactly the kind of stuff that we could
collect into a kind of unofficial github repo or wiki for future reference :)

How about the "The Unofficial Guide to Mystic BBS"

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On 04-15-20 23:36, Alpha wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Thanks, this is the post I was looking for, though since I've posted, I pretty much worked it out, except that I cheated and did the first stage of setting up the message areas with a dummy .NA file, to get the bulk

Awesome. I feel like this is exactly the kind of stuff that we could collect into a kind of unofficial github repo or wiki for future
reference :)

How about the "The Unofficial Guide to Mystic BBS"

Might need that, unless there's someone here with access to the wiki.


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I can assist if needed.

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On 04-15-20 21:23, nugax wrote to Vk3jed <=-

I can assist if needed.

Thanks :)

Looks like I have it working. I did cheat a bit and made up a dummy .NA file to import, to do the donkey work of setting up the areas, then went back through them, fixed any errors and added the QWK networking information to each area by hand.

Anyway, The Bridge is connected to Freeway for DOVE-Net via QWK. :)


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I can assist if needed.

Thanks :) Looks like I have it working. I did cheat a bit and made
up a dummy .NA file to import, to do the donkey work of setting up
the areas, then went back through them, fixed any errors and added
the QWK networking information to each area by hand.

Awesome!

Anyway, The Bridge is connected to Freeway for DOVE-Net via QWK. :)
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On 04-15-20 22:23, nugax wrote to All <=-

I can assist if needed.

Thanks :) Looks like I have it working. I did cheat a bit and made
up a dummy .NA file to import, to do the donkey work of setting up
the areas, then went back through them, fixed any errors and added
the QWK networking information to each area by hand.

Awesome!

Hmm, any reason that reply was directed to all? It was obviously my message. No biggie, just curious. :)


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Hello, Vk3jed.
On 4/16/20 1:22 PM you wrote:

On 04-15-20 22:23, nugax wrote to All <=-

I can assist if needed.

Thanks :) Looks like I have it working. I did cheat a bit and
made up a dummy .NA file to import, to do the donkey work of
setting up the areas, then went back through them, fixed any
errors and added the QWK networking information to each area by
hand.

Awesome!

Hmm, any reason that reply was directed to all? It was obviously
my message. No biggie, just curious. :)

I am using a NNTP client and it only allows me to post to all.

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On 15 Apr 2020, Vk3jed said the following...

Does anyone here know how to setup Mystic as a QWK node? I've started
the process, but haven't got it working yet, and the instructions aren't on the wiki wither.

ok, its not Dificult to do
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█ Configuration Networking Servers Editors Other Exit █▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀ ID 581 ▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀
█ Name │ HAM Radio Operators
█ Base Type │ EchoMail Quote Color │ Sample
█ Newsgroup │ HAM.Radio.Operators Text Color │ Sample
█ QWK Name │ HAM_Radio Tear Color │ Sample
█ Echo Tag │ HAM_Radio Origin Color │ Sample
█ File Name │ ham_radio Kludge Color │ Sample
█ Path │ d:\mystic64\msgs\ Max Msgs │ 0
█ List ACS │ G14 Max Msg Age │ 0
█ Read ACS │ New Scan │ Yes
█ Post ACS │ QWK Scan │ Yes
█ Sysop ACS │ s255 Header │ msghead
█ List EACS │ R Template │ ansimrd
█ │ L Template │ ansimlst
█ Net Address │ 0:0/0 (Local) Real Names │ Yes
█ Export To │ 0 node(s) Autosigs │ No
█ Origin │ Private │ No
█ QWK Network │ Vert Pvt Reply │ No
█ QWK Base ID │ 2015 Allow ANSI │ Yes ▀▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄

Qwk Network and QWK Base ID
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█ Configuration ▌▓ Networking ░▐ Servers Editors Other Exit ▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▓ └────────┐ ▒▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀
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█ A Echomail Addresses █
█ N Echomail Nodes █
█ G Echomail Groups █ ▓
▄▄ ▄▄ ░█ H Edit Areafix Help █▄▄▄▄ ▒█▒░▓ ░▓g
▐█▄▄ ■ ▀ ▌ ░░░█ I Edit Filefix Help █████▄▄▄▄▀ ▀▀██████▓▀▀▄▄▄▄▄▄▄██▄
░███▄▄ ▄▀▄▄████ R Edit File Requests █████▀▀▀▀ ▄████▓▄▀███████████
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▀ █░░░█ ▀▀▀▀ █░░░██ Q QWK Networks █░░░█▌▒ ░░░░█░▓▓▓▓▓█▒░░░▌▀ ░░░█░ ░░▓████ ▓▄▄▄▄▓ █████▀▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄█▀████▄▄█████▒░░░░░ ▀████▄▄▄▄▄ ▄ ▄▄■ ▀▀▓ ▒ ░░▓▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▓▀▀▀▀▀ ▓███ ▓▓▓███▓▀▀▀▀ ▐▄▄ ▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀ ▀▀▀▀▀ ▀▀▀▀▀▀▀ ▌
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That mainly what yo need!


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On 04-16-20 10:12, gallaxial wrote to Vk3jed <=-

On 15 Apr 2020, Vk3jed said the following...

Does anyone here know how to setup Mystic as a QWK node? I've started
the process, but haven't got it working yet, and the instructions aren't on the wiki wither.

ok, its not Dificult to do
here i get :

Thanks, managed to work that out just before someone forwarded me Black Panther's post. Only difference from standard procedure that I did was cheat on the donkey work of adding in the area names, etc, by generating a "dovenet.na" file from my Synchronet BBS. That meant all I had to do was enter the QWK networking information (QWK network and conference number) in each area and make minor fixes to the imported data.


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On 04-16-20 06:12, nugax wrote to All <=-

Hmm, any reason that reply was directed to all? It was obviously
my message. No biggie, just curious. :)

I am using a NNTP client and it only allows me to post to all.

Ahh, OK.

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Hmm, thought that was a FTN point, not NNTP. That's why I asked.


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Re: Re: QWK networking?
By: Vk3jed to gallaxial on Fri Apr 17 2020 09:09 am

On 04-16-20 10:12, gallaxial wrote to Vk3jed <=-

On 15 Apr 2020, Vk3jed said the following...

Does anyone here know how to setup Mystic as a QWK node? I've started the process, but haven't got it working yet, and the instructions aren't on the wiki wither.

ok, its not Dificult to do
here i get :

Thanks, managed to work that out just before someone forwarded me Black Panther's post. Only difference from standard procedure that I did was cheat on the donkey work of adding in the area names, etc, by generating a "dovenet.na" file from my Synchronet BBS. That meant all I had to do was enter the QWK networking information (QWK network and conference number) in each area and make minor fixes to the imported data.

If you import a QWK CONTROL.DAT file instead, then get both the names *and* the
conference numbers all in one go. And if you import it via the SCFG->Networks->QWK->Hubs... Import Conferences menu option, it does all the hub setup for you as well.

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On 04-16-20 21:51, Digital Man wrote to Vk3jed <=-

If you import a QWK CONTROL.DAT file instead, then get both the names *and* the conference numbers all in one go. And if you import it via
the SCFG->Networks->QWK->Hubs... Import Conferences menu option, it
does all the hub setup for you as well.

I don't know if that Mystic has that option.


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If you import a QWK CONTROL.DAT file instead, then get both the names *and* the conference numbers all in one go. And if you import it via the SCFG->Networks->QWK->Hubs... Import Conferences menu option, it does all the hub setup for you as well.

I don't know if that Mystic has that option.

Yeah, I think DM is talking about SBBS's setup--which is quite automated.
Would be awesome if Mystic has the same ability to import QWK conference numbers as well. I did the same thing--edit the areas file so I could at
least use mutil to import the areas. Then just some manual labor to assign
the conference numbers. But it works!

Speaking of making things easier, I don't know if you've seen some of the
stuff DM is working on in terms of puling FTN (Fido + othernets) info from the internet and automating network setup within the Synchronet admin, but it's shaping up to be fantastic. I think network setup is something we all
struggle with as new Sysops, and to remove this friction in a modern way would be cool :)

Would be a nice Mystic feature, as well :)

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Re: Re: QWK networking?
By: Vk3jed to Digital Man on Fri Apr 17 2020 09:26 pm

On 04-16-20 21:51, Digital Man wrote to Vk3jed <=-

If you import a QWK CONTROL.DAT file instead, then get both the names *and* the conference numbers all in one go. And if you import it via the SCFG->Networks->QWK->Hubs... Import Conferences menu option, it does all the hub setup for you as well.

I don't know if that Mystic has that option.

Ah, yes. It'd be cool if it did though. :-)

digital man

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On 04-17-20 15:34, Alpha wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Yeah, I think DM is talking about SBBS's setup--which is quite
automated. Would be awesome if Mystic has the same ability to import
QWK conference numbers as well. I did the same thing--edit the areas
file so I could at least use mutil to import the areas. Then just some manual labor to assign the conference numbers. But it works!

Yes, would be good to have this ability in Mystic. Mystic is designed to be easy to setup, and having this ability (probably via mutil) would really fit in well. Could do it all in one hit - areas, security levels, naming and QWK conference details all in one hit. But using the .NA trick does save a bit of time. :)

Speaking of making things easier, I don't know if you've seen some of
the stuff DM is working on in terms of puling FTN (Fido + othernets)
info from the internet and automating network setup within the
Synchronet admin, but it's shaping up to be fantastic. I think network setup is something we all struggle with as new Sysops, and to remove
this friction in a modern way would be cool :)

I love where DM is going with this and I'm totally on board. I've setup my infopack processing to make sure there's a current .NA file online, so Synchronet's system can painless add VKRadio to any (Synchronet) sysop who wants it. :)

Would be a nice Mystic feature, as well :)

Indeed, Mystic would do well to have a similar system. I would fully support Mystic (or any other BBS software for that matter) doing the same.


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On 04-17-20 12:03, Digital Man wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Re: Re: QWK networking?
By: Vk3jed to Digital Man on Fri Apr 17 2020 09:26 pm

On 04-16-20 21:51, Digital Man wrote to Vk3jed <=-

If you import a QWK CONTROL.DAT file instead, then get both the names *and* the conference numbers all in one go. And if you import it via the SCFG->Networks->QWK->Hubs... Import Conferences menu option, it does all the hub setup for you as well.

I don't know if that Mystic has that option.

Ah, yes. It'd be cool if it did though. :-)

Sure would. :)

Reminds me, I must export my QWK conferences in a format more suited to QWK improtation and add that to the infopack. :) I'm all for making a sysop's life easier, if I can.


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Re: Re: QWK networking?
By: Vk3jed to Digital Man on Sat Apr 18 2020 11:43 am

Reminds me, I must export my QWK conferences in a format more suited to QWK improtation and add that to the infopack. :) I'm all for making a sysop's life easier, if I can.

For Synchronet, that format would be CONTROL.DAT. :-)

digital man

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On 04-17-20 23:31, Digital Man wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Re: Re: QWK networking?
By: Vk3jed to Digital Man on Sat Apr 18 2020 11:43 am

Reminds me, I must export my QWK conferences in a format more suited to QWK improtation and add that to the infopack. :) I'm all for making a sysop's life easier, if I can.

For Synchronet, that format would be CONTROL.DAT. :-)

from a QWK packet?


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Re: Re: QWK networking?
By: Vk3jed to Digital Man on Sat Apr 18 2020 04:51 pm

On 04-17-20 23:31, Digital Man wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Re: Re: QWK networking?
By: Vk3jed to Digital Man on Sat Apr 18 2020 11:43 am

Reminds me, I must export my QWK conferences in a format more suited to QWK improtation and add that to the infopack. :) I'm all for making a sysop's life easier, if I can.

For Synchronet, that format would be CONTROL.DAT. :-)

from a QWK packet?

Correct. That file is normally included in a QWK packet and includes both the conference names and numbers.

digital man

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On 04-18-20 04:06, Digital Man wrote to Vk3jed <=-

from a QWK packet?

Correct. That file is normally included in a QWK packet and includes
both the conference names and numbers.

I have seen it, and the only control.dat that I was familiar with, just making sure there wasn't another. :) Anyway thanks, noted for future reference.


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This information is using the most current version of Mystic BBS at the time of this writing, which is 1.12 A 31.

running 1.12 A46

Let me first say, my public and main bbs runs Synchronet (ATHEL) but wanted to test a few things with Mystic so here we are. Trying to get DOVE-Net from my system, not VERT.

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First, make sure you have a QWK account set up on the hub BBS. If this is Synchronet, make sure you log in and set the areas you would like, along with the message pointers. Make sure you obtain a list of the conferences and the QWK Base ID numbers, as you will need that information to set up the message bases.

1 - Open Mystic with "mystic -cfg" (or ./mystic -cfg in Linux).

2 - Under Configuration, select "QWK Networking"

3 - If nothing is listed in this menu, select "/" on your keyboard, and chose "Insert"

4 - Hit enter on the newly created network connection

<snip>

So I followed these instructions step-by-step, ATHEL is the packet id. Downloads a QWK packet and imports. Can anyone tell me why when I login to my Mystic board that, posts for Synchronet Announcements show up in the HAM Radio sub? DOVE-Net is group 2 here, and groups are showing just fine.

? Active Poll ? Yes ?
? Network Name ? DOVE-Net ?
? Member Type ? Node ?
? FTP Host ? athel.synchro.net ?
? Login ? MYTEST1 ?
? Password ? ******* ?
? Use Passive ? Yes ?
? Packet ID ? athel ?
? Archive Type ? ZIP ?
? Use QWKE ? Yes ?

? Name ? Dove HAM Radio Operators ? ? Base Type ? Local Quote Color ? Sample ? ? Newsgroup ? Text Color ? Sample ? ? QWK Name ? HAM Radio Tear Color ? Sample ? ? Echo Tag ? Origin Color ? Sample ? ? File Name ? dove-ham Kludge Color ? Sample ? ? Path ? /mystic/msgs/ Max Msgs ? 5000 ? ? List ACS ? s10g2 Max Msg Age ? 1000 ? ? Read ACS ? s10g2 New Scan ? Yes ? ? Post ACS ? s20g2 QWK Scan ? Yes ? ? Sysop ACS ? s255g2 Header ? msghead ? ? List EACS ? R Template ? ansimrd ? ? ? L Template ? ansimlst ? ? Net Address ? 0:0/0 (Local Address) Real Names ? No ? ? Export To ? 0 node(s) Autosigs ? Yes ? ? Origin ? Private ? No ? ? QWK Network ? DOVE-Net Pvt Reply ? No ? ? QWK Base ID ? 2015 Allow ANSI ? No ?

and..

? Name ? Dove Synchronet Announcements ? ? Base Type ? Local Quote Color ? Sample ? ? Newsgroup ? Text Color ? Sample ? ? QWK Name ? SyncAnnoun Tear Color ? Sample ? ? Echo Tag ? Origin Color ? Sample ? ? File Name ? dove-syncanno Kludge Color ? Sample ? ? Path ? /mystic/msgs/ Max Msgs ? 5000 ? ? List ACS ? s10g2 Max Msg Age ? 1000 ? ? Read ACS ? s10g2 New Scan ? Yes ? ? Post ACS ? s500g2 QWK Scan ? Yes ? ? Sysop ACS ? s255g2 Header ? msghead ? ? List EACS ? R Template ? ansimrd ? ? ? L Template ? ansimlst ? ? Net Address ? 0:0/0 (Local Address) Real Names ? No ? ? Export To ? 0 node(s) Autosigs ? Yes ? ? Origin ? Private ? No ? ? QWK Network ? DOVE-Net Pvt Reply ? No ? ? QWK Base ID ? 2030 Allow ANSI ? No ?

There's maybe 2 of the messages bases showing with correct messages, the rest aren't in their proper section. I've confirmed the QWK Base ID matches the Synchronet Conference Numbers for all of them as well as the QWK Names.

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Re: Re: QWK networking?
By: Altere to All on Wed Oct 14 2020 11:00 am

to test a few things with Mystic so here we are. Trying to get DOVE-Net from my system, not VERT.

? ? QWK Base ID ? 2030 Allow ANSI ? No

There's maybe 2 of the messages bases showing with correct messages, the rest aren't in their proper section. I've confirmed the QWK Base ID matches the Synchronet Conference Numbers for all of them as well as the QWK Names.

It's the conference numbers that matter (not the names). Unless you have 30 subs in DOVE-Net *or* you have static QWK conference numbering enabled for those subs, then 2030 is probably incorrect. If you look at the CONTROL.DAT file included in the QWK packet downloaded from the hub, that should inform you what the actual/correct conference numbers should be for that hub.

digital man

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It's the conference numbers that matter (not the names). Unless you have 30 subs in DOVE-Net *or* you have static QWK conference numbering enabled for those subs, then 2030 is probably incorrect. If you look at the CONTROL.DAT file included in the QWK packet downloaded from the hub, that should inform you what the actual/correct conference numbers should be for that hub.

Thanks. Just give me a kick, I've been looking at the wrong screen this whole time. One has qwk packets from vert and the other from athel. Seemed odd mine would match. 2001-2022 works much better. lol Do this much longer I'm going to have to start a new workspace screen to keep the boards seperate.

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Re: Re: QWK networking?
By: Alpha to Vk3jed on Wed Apr 15 2020 03:03 pm

From Dan/Black Panther:
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In order to set up a QWK network within Mystic is not very difficult, and it does work. Trust me.

I copied these instructions to http://wiki.synchro.net/howto:dove-net-for-mystic

Please feel free to update with additional details (e.g. isn't some "networking" toggle needed to enable QWKnet taglines for exported messages?).

A screen-shot or two would be nice too.
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I copied these instructions to http://wiki.synchro.net/howto:dove-net-for-mystic

Hi Rob,

Do you happen to know if Mystic A47 still has the QWK bug mentioned within the post above? As I don't really know much about QWK, I was wondering if this is still something I need to be worried about?

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On 09 Jul 2022, TALIADON said the following...

I copied these instructions to http://wiki.synchro.net/howto:dove-net-for-mystic

Do you happen to know if Mystic A47 still has the QWK bug mentioned
within the post above? As I don't really know much about QWK, I was wondering if this is still something I need to be worried about?

Nope, that was solved long ago. A lot of work went in to making MSGID work right in mystic. Those problems were all gone by A46 on. Since then the
polling has been changed to be handled by mis. So we now use mis to do the polling, not sure if that really affects qwkpoll. I haven't really used the qwk, but have used mmail to send and receive messages from the BBS which
works fine these days.

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On 09 Jul 2022, TALIADON said the following...

Do you happen to know if Mystic A47 still has the QWK bug mentioned
within the post above? As I don't really know much about QWK, I was wondering if this is still something I need to be worried about?

Or better yet, you could just upgrade to A48 and not have to worry if an A47 bug is still around or not, especially since it is most likely already fixed. ;)

Regards,
Nick

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Or better yet, you could just upgrade to A48 and not have to worry if an A47 bug is still around or not, especially since it is most likely
already fixed. ;)

Thanks for the feedback Nick, much appreciated.

As this particular bug was listed for A31, I was hoping it had long since been fixed.

Do you know when A48 will be officially released - A47 is still listed as the stable version on mysticbbs.com?

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Hello TALIADON!

On 09 Jul 2022, TALIADON said the following...

Do you know when A48 will be officially released - A47 is still listed
as the stable version on mysticbbs.com?

The stable releases (actual releases) are often rather far apart, perhaps 1-2 years. Given that A47 was released last Christmas, I would say perhaps in a year or so.

But the A47 release was actually very good, so I think you'll be doing rather fine on it. :)

Best regards
Zip

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The stable releases (actual releases) are often rather far apart,
perhaps 1-2 years. Given that A47 was released last Christmas, I would
say perhaps in a year or so.

But the A47 release was actually very good, so I think you'll be doing rather fine on it. :)

Yeah, I'm in no rush to be honest - A47 appears to be meeting my needs without issue at the moment :)

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On 09 Jul 2022, TALIADON said the following...

As this particular bug was listed for A31, I was hoping it had long
since been fixed.

Yikes. Then I would assume it has long since been fixed. I don't even remember A31 it's been that long ago. ;)

Do you know when A48 will be officially released - A47 is still listed
as the stable version on mysticbbs.com?

To be completely honest, no. But I've never really thought of Mystic having many "official releases". A47 is/was a prealpha, yet there may have been some kind of A47 "is as stable as can be" release right before A48 was started. There were MANY versions of A47 leading up to it, though. This is exactly how A48 has been going. The only reason there isn't a stable version of A48 listed on mysticbbs.com yet is because A49 hasn't been started yet.

I've been upgrading the prealphas as they're released and have had no issues. Sure there may be a few bugs here and there (definitely nothing show-stopping), but g00r00 is on top of it and usually pushes fixes as soon as he is able to.

http://mysticbbs.com/downloads/prealpha

.. if you like to be cool and edgy. lol

I think the more people that are on the latest version finding bugs and reporting them would be much more helpful to development than people reporting bugs from previous versions. And actually, I'm not sure previous versions are even supported. The first thing you would be asked to do would be to upgrade to the latest prealpha and see if the bug/issue is still there, since it may have already been fixed (this is why the whatsnew.txt is important, as well).

Regards,
Nick

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Yikes. Then I would assume it has long since been fixed. I don't even remember A31 it's been that long ago. ;)

To be fair, as Rob's main concern is Synchronet rather than Mystic, I was hoping the documentation was simply out of date. No one appears to have experienced problems with DOVE on A47, so I'll naively assume it is for now :)

To be completely honest, no. But I've never really thought of Mystic having many "official releases". A47 is/was a prealpha, yet there may
have been some kind of A47 "is as stable as can be" release right before A48 was started. There were MANY versions of A47 leading up to it,
though. This is exactly how A48 has been going. The only reason there isn't a stable version of A48 listed on mysticbbs.com yet is because A49 hasn't been started yet.

Considering the monumental amount of work that goes into Mystic, this approach certainly makes sense to me.

I've been upgrading the prealphas as they're released and have had no issues. Sure there may be a few bugs here and there (definitely nothing show-stopping), but g00r00 is on top of it and usually pushes fixes as soon as he is able to.

http://mysticbbs.com/downloads/prealpha

Thanks Nick, this link will prove most useful.

I think the more people that are on the latest version finding bugs and reporting them would be much more helpful to development than people reporting bugs from previous versions. And actually, I'm not sure
previous versions are even supported. The first thing you would be asked to do would be to upgrade to the latest prealpha and see if the
bug/issue is still there, since it may have already been fixed (this is why the whatsnew.txt is important, as well).

Yep, I ran into this when I was using A46 - g00r00 asked me to upgrade and retest before submitting a bug report. Again, considering his work load, this approach certainly makes sense to me.

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