• Re: MUTIL

    From The Godfather@21:1/165 to Necromaster on Mon Aug 10 21:20:15 2020
    Hello all, I am having a weird issue. I run both a BBS and network hub with latest version of Mystic. On the Hub system when MUTIL is ran is stays stuck waiting on busy nodes and never continues. I had to write a small script that does Fidopoll Kilbusy All every 10 seconds and then
    this lets mutil continue. Any idea what may be wrong? Thanks.

    __ _ _ __ _ __ _ ____ . _ _ __

    I've been having the same issue and also just added a small script, and
    run as an hourly event, to fidopoll killbusy then poll each of my
    networks, however I don't run a hub and don't have to do so every 10
    seconds. I noticed the issue started as more people began upgrading to
    .46; I'm still on .45 .. I had not had this problem prior. I have not
    delve into that upgrade yet, and admittedly just quick scanned the
    "whats new," and it appears a lot of changes to MIS have occurred ..
    gr00r00 would be an obvious better source of info ... but it appears a
    lot of back end development occurred on the new version .. I'm pretty
    excited to get it up and running, but .... scared to death to dive into
    it at the moment. I literally am just finishing all of my
    customization.

    -tG

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: The Underground [@] theunderground.us:10023 <-port (21:1/165)
  • From Analog@21:2/123 to The Godfather on Mon Aug 10 22:25:58 2020
    Hello all, I am having a weird issue. I run both a BBS and network with latest version of Mystic. On the Hub system when MUTIL is ran i stays stuck waiting on busy nodes and never continues. I had to writ small script that does Fidopoll Kilbusy All every 10 seconds and then

    You may be experiencing the same issue I am. I have my echomail folder that gets XXXX.bsy flags put into it on occassion which never lets mutil/fidopoll run until they are gone. So instead of killall, I just run:
    "find . -name *.bsy -exec rm {} \;"
    To purge the bsy flags. I don't know what causes them to hang up but it's
    been happening since A45. I attributed it to my Fidonet uplink being slow and causing hangs. But not I"m not so sure.

    Analog

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    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/06 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: deadbeatz.org (21:2/123)
  • From The Godfather@21:1/165 to Analog on Tue Aug 11 08:58:45 2020

    You may be experiencing the same issue I am. I have my echomail folder that gets XXXX.bsy flags put into it on occassion which never lets mutil/fidopoll run until they are gone. So instead of killall, I just
    run: "find . -name *.bsy -exec rm {} \;"
    To purge the bsy flags. I don't know what causes them to hang up but it's been happening since A45. I attributed it to my Fidonet uplink being
    slow and causing hangs. But not I"m not so sure.


    You're running linux or windows? I never got the error until others
    started running .46 .. but maybe I just didn't have enough networks at
    the time to create the error. hmm... it's working as I have it set up.
    Once I brave the upgrade (hopefully I don't lose much config) the
    problem will go away :)

    -tG

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: The Underground [@] theunderground.us:10023 <-port (21:1/165)
  • From Al@21:4/106.1 to The Godfather on Tue Aug 11 14:46:45 2020
    Re: Re: MUTIL
    By: The Godfather to Analog on Tue Aug 11 2020 08:58 am

    You're running linux or windows? I never got the error until others started running .46 .. but maybe I just didn't have enough networks at
    the time to create the error. hmm... it's working as I have it set up. Once I brave the upgrade (hopefully I don't lose much config) the
    problem will go away :)

    Are you talking about the issue of mutil not tossing mail/files because of errant busy files?

    This has been an issue since early in the A45 time frame, 2016 or so. It has happened to me also although not often. I have never been able to come to any conclusion as to why it happens but the only solution is to shutdown mis and run the killbusy commands.

    g00r00 is aware and has this in mind and I'm certain we will get passed it at some point. I had to run the killbusy command on my up to date A46 install not long ago.

    The fix will likely be easy but figuring out just what the problem is may not be.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

    ... An Elephant; A Mouse built to government specifications.
    --- SBBSecho 3.11-Linux
    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (21:4/106.1)
  • From The Godfather@21:1/165 to Al on Tue Aug 11 18:15:34 2020
    Are you talking about the issue of mutil not tossing mail/files because
    of errant busy files?

    Yes, specifically half way through polling networks, they all start
    showing up "busy" and being skipped. Then mutil spits an error out
    saying that mutil is busy. So .. I fidopoll killbusy, and the problem
    clears for a while. Now I run a batch file to clear it out prior to
    each poll.

    This has been an issue since early in the A45 time frame, 2016 or so. It has happened to me also although not often. I have never been able to
    come to any conclusion as to why it happens but the only solution is to shutdown mis and run the killbusy commands.


    I was unaware as I've only been running Mystic since March/April, and
    the problem only began to occur once I added a 5th network (which was
    around the time people were conversing about trouble shooting their .46 installs). So glad to know it's already been discussed and people much
    better with back end programming are on it.

    thx,

    -tG

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: The Underground [@] theunderground.us:10023 <-port (21:1/165)
  • From Al@21:4/106.1 to The Godfather on Tue Aug 11 15:40:17 2020
    Re: Re: MUTIL
    By: The Godfather to Al on Tue Aug 11 2020 06:15 pm

    Yes, specifically half way through polling networks, they all start showing up "busy" and being skipped. Then mutil spits an error out
    saying that mutil is busy. So .. I fidopoll killbusy, and the problem clears for a while. Now I run a batch file to clear it out prior to
    each poll.

    It can be kind of a kiss in the petunia, I know.

    Clearing the busy files manually could cause unexpected results. g00r00's advice has been to shutdown mis and issue the killbusy commands so that's the way I would do it.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

    ... Do it! It's easier to get forgiveness than permission.
    --- SBBSecho 3.11-Linux
    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (21:4/106.1)
  • From Nazferiti@21:3/107 to The Godfather on Tue Aug 11 19:57:29 2020
    On 10 Aug 2020, The Godfather said the following...

    Hello all, I am having a weird issue. I run both a BBS and network with latest version of Mystic. On the Hub system when MUTIL is ran i stays stuck waiting on busy nodes and never continues. I had to writ small script that does Fidopoll Kilbusy All every 10 seconds and then this lets mutil continue. Any idea what may be wrong? Thanks.

    __ _ _ __ _ __ _ ____ . _ _ __

    I've been having the same issue and also just added a small script, and run as an hourly event, to fidopoll killbusy then poll each of my networks, however I don't run a hub and don't have to do so every 10 seconds. I noticed the issue started as more people began upgrading to .46; I'm still on .45 .. I had not had this problem prior. I have not delve into that upgrade yet, and admittedly just quick scanned the
    "whats new," and it appears a lot of changes to MIS have occurred .. gr00r00 would be an obvious better source of info ... but it appears a
    lot of back end development occurred on the new version .. I'm pretty excited to get it up and running, but .... scared to death to dive into
    it at the moment. I literally am just finishing all of my
    customization.

    -tG

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: The Underground [@] theunderground.us:10023 <-port (21:1/165)

    I have been noticing the same issue and I know that some of the nodes it
    throws off are not busy. I have not dug into this any deeper other than to note that this happens on both my A46 and A45 Systems and has been going on
    for some time.

    It seems that once a "busy" node is encountered, all nodes that are polled after are also "busy". They can be polled individually or if you just wait a few minutes the issue seems to resolve itself.

    - Mike

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/10 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Arcadia BBS | Connecticut USA | bbs.arcadiabbs.com (21:3/107)
  • From The Godfather@21:1/165 to Al on Wed Aug 12 10:07:38 2020
    Clearing the busy files manually could cause unexpected results. g00r00's advice has been to shutdown mis and issue the killbusy commands so
    that's the way I would do it.

    Thanks for the heads up, switched that over right after reading your
    reply! I'll trust the experts suggestions over my own fixes any time :)

    -tG

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: The Underground [@] theunderground.us:10023 <-port (21:1/165)
  • From The Godfather@21:1/165 to Nazferiti on Wed Aug 12 10:14:53 2020
    It seems that once a "busy" node is encountered, all nodes that are polled after are also "busy". They can be polled individually or if you just wait a few minutes the issue seems to resolve itself.


    Thanks Mike. I had been polling individually, however once I got past
    (I think) 5 networks on my system .. the event editor started acting
    wonky. I would set up a new network to poll at a specific time, exit
    config, and a day later would not see any messages coming through. I'd
    load event editor, and sure enough the event I created disappeared as
    well as a few previous networks duplicated, resulting in them being
    polled twice. So Stizzed assisted me in setting up a batch file which
    works better, as it's now just one event .. however now the fidokill
    .bsy is necessary as I get the mutil .bsy error. I haven't seen it
    resolve on it's own without fidokill busy though .. you're lucky there.
    What has been slightly helpful is making the largest traffic networks
    poll last within the batch file. I may even split the batch file into
    two, to reduce how much mutil is being asked to process at one time.
    I know it's probably just an extra step, but it's worth a shot and
    can't hurt anything. But if it's not the version change that caused
    the issue ..... I wonder if it's the number of networks?

    -tG

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: The Underground [@] theunderground.us:10023 <-port (21:1/165)